Catholic Group Supports Senate on Abortion Aid

Catholics on AbortionDAVID D. KIRKPATRICK writes on the New York Times:

In an apparent split with Roman Catholic bishops over the abortion-financing provisions of the proposed health care overhaul, the nation’s Catholic hospitals have signaled that they back the Senate’s compromise on the issue, raising hopes of breaking an impasse in Congress and stirring controversy within the church.

The Senate bill, approved Thursday morning, allows any state to bar the use of federal subsidies for insurance plans that cover abortion and requires insurers in other states to divide subsidy money into separate accounts so that only dollars from private premiums would be used to pay for abortions.

Just days before the bill passed, the Catholic Health Association, which represents hundreds of Catholic hospitals across the country, said in a statement that it was “encouraged” and “increasingly confident” that such a compromise “can achieve the objective of no federal funding for abortion.” An umbrella group for nuns followed its lead.

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  • 5by5

    Keep your religion off my body AND my government.

  • GoodDoktorBad

    What kind of world do we live in that abortions are even necessary? I would guess that people get abortions because of financial reasons, they believe they can't afford to support a child, or are afraid of the kind of world they are bringing a child into. I suppose “rich” people have had abortions too, as have Catholics and other religious folk.
    Abortion is serious business, legal or illegal. I'll never consider abortion a “good thing”, however “necessary”.
    I don't think anyone feels good about getting an abortion. Its a “rock and hard place” decision that will be with you the rest of your life, always wondering what could have been.
    What amazes me about Catholics and others is the extreme hypocrisy they practice. Judging there fellow man on a constant basis, seeking revenge in Gods name via laws that punish people for (“forgive them, for they know not what they do”) ignorance and poverty of spirit. What happened to “vengence is Mine, sayeth the Lord” (not yours). “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” or “judge not lest ye be judged”.

    There is nothing Christian about abortion laws. The is little that is Christian about many Christians, for that matter. These banner carrying hypocrites say nothing about all the pedophile priests who escape prosecution
    and ridicule at the pope's whim. There are no priests in jail that I am aware of, because they are somehow exempt from earthly law. But abortionists must suffer earthly judgement, before they go before “God” after they die and be judged again.
    If you want to stop abortion, cure poverty and judgement. Make the babies welcome here, not a burden to be aborted.

    • Tuna Ghost

      “These banner carrying hypocrites say nothing about all the pedophile priests who escape prosecution
      and ridicule at the pope's whim.”

      I don't think you can qualify that statement. In fact, I'm positive you can't.

      “There are no priests in jail that I am aware of, because they are somehow exempt from earthly law.”

      Wow. Yeah. First, I'm not surprised that you're unaware of an important fact in this issue. Second, a majority of the priests accused during that whole debacle were dead when everything came to light. The real issue was the Church covering up the incidents and simply relocating the priests. I think if you did even a little bit of research into the perpetrators of child molestation you'd learn a thing or two about who is most likely to molest someone, and that priests are actually NOT at teh top of the list.

      • GoodDoktorBad

        I'm not sure how to respond to the that pointlesss brow beating. Obviously, there are other pedophiles in the world. Not just priests. The article was about Catholics in particular, so yes, priests are an obvious and appropriate target in this case. I'm aware of the cover up and rotate policy for the priests with “problems”.
        My point was Catholics don't fly too many banners against pedophile priests.
        Perhaps I should mention, I am a baptized Catholic, reformed from insanity, so I have some first hand experience and perhaps, anger as a result.

        And, of all I wrote above, that is what you choose to harp on? I'm sorry if I don't have a brain as full of exact factoids as yours, Wow, yeah, Thanks for the talkin' to Mrs. Crabtree. You really put me in my silly place.
        Wheeeeee!

        • Tuna Ghost

          “Perhaps I should mention, I am a baptized Catholic, reformed from insanity, so I have some first hand experience and perhaps, anger as a result.”

          Easy to say on the internet, buddy. Maybe I was a priest in charge of an activist group to bring the Church's blatant cover-up to light. Maybe I'm just a brain in a jar. The point is, on a public forum, it's important to get your facts straight if you intend to condemn entire groups of people.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            I haven't condemned any one to any thing, as a group in the article, Catholics were the subject. My words attempt to hold them accountable for certain hypocrisies they share as Catholics. There own words as a group bind them: “You can't be a Catholic and be Pro-abortion” So, even if I had used the phrase “all Catholics”, which I didn't, it would still be appropriate if I had, within the context of the article. The article is about Catholics! Who else should I comment on?

            What you call so-called facts are as second hand as anyone elses version of them, having not actually been there to witness. So in that sense we're both idiots. Or perhaps just me, if that satisfies you. Whatever the case, this is discussion, opinion, as flawed as it may be. As far as I'm concerned, you ARE a brain in a jar for intents and purposes. As a suggestion, try a little less vinegar in your pickling solution, Sugar.

          • Tuna Ghost

            ah, my bad. I was using “condemn” in the sense of “casting condemnation”, to enact judgement and pronounce someone guilty. Interesting note: “condemn” also means “to declare suitable for public use under the right of eminent domain”. Weird! Anyway, it's a rarity to find a Catholic that DOESN'T have a bone to pick with the Church or who actually buys into the belief structure lock stock and barrel.

            And the vinegar keeps me young, dammit.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            I salute your “stirring of the shit”. Any given moment, we are morons, or in other moments, geniuses.
            Sometimes, I like to play both sides of an issue just for the mental stimulation and an attempt at a “bigger picture”. You seem to like that too. Wierd. Unfortunatly, “stirring up the shit” tends to raise offensive odor to which we automatically recoil, but secretly need to experience. Like smelling the milk carton that you already know is sour. We just gotta……

            By the way, apple cider vinegar is particularly healthy on a daily basis, that, and Garlic can save the world.
            Sorta…

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PDDVWRQVUPMKRGHURIEQVNYWHQ Sean

    I'd like to see any church that attempts to influence public policy stripped of it's tax exempt status
    and treated like any other lobby group

    • GoodDoktorBad

      As you say. Indeed. I concur. Here here!

  • Anonymous

    As you say. Indeed. I concur. Here here!

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