We Need To Stop Circumcision

Christiane Northrup, M.D., a board-certified ob/gyn, for Huffington Post:

In the weeks ahead, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) are likely to publish a recommendation that all infant boys undergo circumcision. This is a huge mistake. Circumcision is an unnecessary procedure that is painful and can lead to complications, including death. No organization in the world currently recommends this. Why should we routinely remove normal, functioning tissue from the genitals of little boys within days of their birth?

The vast majority of the world’s men, including most Europeans and Scandinavians, are uncircumcised. And before 1900, circumcision was virtually nonexistent in the United States as well–except for Jewish and Muslim people, who’ve been performing circumcisions for thousands of years for religious reasons. Believe it or not, circumcision was introduced in English-speaking countries in the late 1800s to control or prevent masturbation, similar to the way that female circumcision–the removal of the clitoris and labia–was promoted and continues to be advocated in some Muslim and African countries to control women’s sexuality. [1]

Routine female circumcision, which has been practiced in some cultures, is completely unacceptable. Few people would argue otherwise. In fact, the United Nations has issued a decree against it. Circumcision is a form of sexual abuse whether it’s done to girls or boys. We justify male infant circumcision by pretending that the babies don’t feel it because they’re too young and it will have no consequences when they are older. This is not true. Women who experience memories of abuse in childhood know how deeply and painfully early experiences leave their marks in the body. Why wouldn’t the same thing apply to boys?…

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  • nemoide

    It really is crazy that a modern, “civilized” country like the USA can still glorify genital mutilation.

  • Kevin

    This practice made alot of sense when the jews were in the desert wandering around… Sand would get in under those flaps of skin, cause abrasion and infection and possible loss of the body part! No fun to be had there…. but, these days, unless you're a desert nomad, does'nt seem all that necessary.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PDDVWRQVUPMKRGHURIEQVNYWHQ Sean

    there is a large movement behind this thankfully,
    Dr. Dean Edell is very vocal in opposition to circumcision
    and rejecting circumcision as a means to reject the dominance of christianity is
    currently big with the modern pagan movement, hopefully within a generation we can see it greatly reduced.

  • Jamber

    I'm glad I still have my skin.

  • GoodDoktorBad

    It's wierd, I've never given the issue much thought. I was modified at birth, now I can't help but wonder about what may have been different. Hell, I wonder what the effect of having my infant head pushed underwater in baptism did for my trust of humans for that matter.
    Doctors seem to love to cut things don't they?

    Oh where oh where has my foreskin gone – oh where oh where can it be?

  • http://www.myspace.com/shamangabriel Ken Gabriel

    I can't speak for every man, but I can say I'm very happy with my circumcised penis. It's not “mutilation”. In all truth, circumcision makes a man's penis appear to be bigger, and what man wouldn't be happy with that?
    Whether you choose to believe it's true or not, a circumcised penis is far easier to clean, therefore it reduces the exchange of bacteria during sex and the odds of developing UTI's and sexually transmitted infections. The science is there, and it's hard to argue against what has been quantified scientifically over and again. Male circumcision also lowers the risk of developing penile cancer. (http://www.webmd.com/baby/what-about-circumcision)

    Most boys grow up not understanding how to properly clean their genitals – circumcised or not. Teaching young boys proper hygiene should be the focus of our attention.

    Some believe that male circumcision actually enhances the sexual experience, although there is no way to prove this, because sexual experiences are relative like everything else.
    Of course female circumcision takes away the joy and gift of sex, so that is a completely different topic altogether. Comparing male circumcision to female circumcision is like comparing apples to zebras. It's not even remotely close to the same thing.

    I can honestly say that my circumcision as an infant did not damage me in any way whatsoever. Just the suggestion that it could seems laughable to me.

    Finally, my circumcision is a symbol of my covenant with the God of Abraham – my God.
    Circumcision is a FAMILY matter. No one needs government, laws and/or a bunch of hell-bent assholes attempting to destroy thousands of years of tradition within a private home. I invite you to stay out of my family, my traditions and my pants.

    Love & Light

    • airborne11

      “In all truth, circumcision makes a man's penis appear to be bigger” As a connoisseur of gay porn, let me assure you that this could not be farther from the truth!

      “Some believe that male circumcision actually enhances the sexual experience” You are chopping off nerve endings…how exactly does that qualify as enhancing the sexual experience?

      “I can honestly say that my circumcision as an infant did not damage me in any way whatsoever” Good for you. Not everyone feels the same, however. I will never forgive my parents for chopping off a piece of my body without my consent. This is a decision that only an adult can and should make for themselves. When a young man turns 16 and chooses to have the procedure performed then that is his choice…but how many young men do you truly believe would go through with such a barbaric and unnecessary mutilation??

      “Finally, my circumcision is a symbol of my covenant with the God of Abraham – my God” You worship a “god” that demands penile flesh as some bizarre act of servitude? Do you have any idea how fucked up that sounds?? What exactly does your “god” do with all of those foreskins? Perhaps there is a giant foreskin wreath hanging upon the gates of heaven. What an utterly fucked up religion!

      “I invite you to stay out of my family, my traditions and my pants.” Why don't you stay out of your children's pants, you freak. If I could sue my parents for mutiliating my penis I already would have done so. “Welcome to the world…we are going to cut off a piece of one of the only things that will ever bnring you true happiness and bliss, because if we had to suffer than so do you…”

      • rageplug

        'Why don't you stay out of your children's pants you freak” –I can say, as a father of two sons, that “getting in their pants” comes with the job. I have wiped more butts, dabbed more ointment, and applied more powder than would have ever imagined in my childless days. As a parent, taking care of your children (and their bodies) is a requirement.

        Not that you would care, but in the Bible the apostle Paul says in one of his letters that circumcision doesn't matter in terms of belief, devotion, or “what God wants”. It makes no difference to God. I was circumcised because my father was, as was his, and his and so on..As i recall no suffering was involved, though I was only a baby…It was just something that was done, but not as some religious requirement. That may not be the best reason to circumcise ,but I can assure your that a “giant foreskin wreath” is not a feature in my Sunday meditations.

        And finally “one of the things that will ever bring you true happiness and bliss”–My johnson is certainly a source of pleasure for me, but my true happiness and bliss has been found the people I love. Maybe you could forgive your parents and stop watching so much porn.

        • airborne11

          @rageplug
          “I have wiped more butts, dabbed more ointment, and applied more powder than would have ever imagined in my childless days.” Yes, but there is a big difference between wiping your kid’s ass and chopping off a piece of his dick.

          “my true happiness and bliss has been found the people I love. Maybe you could forgive your parents and stop watching so much porn” Please note that I said it is “ONE of the only things that will ever bring you true happiness and bliss”. I derive happiness and bliss from numerous sources, listed, as follows, in no particular order: music, artwork, literature, friends, animals, plants/nature, food, sex and even occasionally from family. Obviously, not having a foreskin only affects one of these things, and I have made my peace with it as much as I can. But as far as my parents are concerned, I am still waiting for the Hallmark card that says: “Dear Mom: Happy Mother’s Day! Now where the fuck is my foreskin?!?”

      • kengabriel

        Nice emotional knee-jerk reaction there “airborne11″! What I wrote had a scientific point, my own personal views on the subject and even a little levity so as not to get certain highly emotionally charged folks a reason to attack me personally – which you did. That was totally unnecessary. We can disagree without attacking another human being on a personal level. I understand how easy it is for some people to attack someone personally while hiding behind a computer. What some people need to understand is that there IS another HUMAN BEING on the other end reading whatever personal attacks are sent out. I'm sure you never would have said such hateful and hate-filled things to my face. It's a mater of respect. If I wouldn't say something to someone's face, I'd never say it behind a computer either. Lighten up. There are people who disagree with you. You are going to continue to run into people who disagree with you, so get used to it, and please try not to let your emotions dictate the level of intelligence you present to the entire world.

        I notice you didn't argue with the available, proven science that a circumcised penis lowers the risk of sexually transmitted infections, UTI's and penile cancer.

        Cutting off some skin over nerve endings exposes more sensitive nerve endings underneath. If you don’t believe that, pull back your skin and lightly massage the point of the circumcision just below the head of your penis. Those are very sensitive nerves that would otherwise not be exposed without circumcision. That's the thought behind the belief that male circumcision enhances sexual experiences. But like I said, that's not something that can be proven because all sexual experiences are subjective. A grown man can choose to have a circumcision, have sex after healing and report an enhanced experience. What does that mean? Nothing. Even if he were having sex with the same woman, she may find a circumcised penis more attractive (many women do), therefore the sexual experience will be better – but not because of the male.

        You obviously don't see the illusion that circumcision can cause – that it can make a penis seem larger. I'm sure plenty of people don't see the illusion, but I'm also sure plenty of people do. I'm straight. I'm not a connoisseur of gay porn (or any other for that matter), but I've had to see more penises than I've ever wanted to see, trust me. I'm not going to lie and say I've never watched porn. It's just not something I do on a regular basis. I believe it drains and darkens a person's aura. Plus, when we focus hard on the physical, we lose contact with our spiritual selves.

        I understand your point that a circumcision should be the decision of an adult. Unfortunately, as an adult, you've already become sexually active. The reason for performing circumcisions before the age of twelve is to make sure it's done before a boy becomes sexually active.

        My God isn't up there in some mystical heaven collecting foreskins. That was an uncalled for attack on my faith. My God doesn't demand penile flesh as an act of servitude. The circumcision is a SYMBOL of my covenant with my God, and my God does not demand it. It's not a requirement. People do far more bizarre things than circumcision to have some connection with whatever deity they chose to worship. I live in the United States, which has a constitution that guarantees freedom of religion. Any attempt at outlawing circumcision would be a direct violation of the United States Constitution. I'm glad we have it. I hope & pray our government adheres to it. It doesn't seem they are lately, but that's another topic for another board.

        I'm sorry you're not happy that your parents had you circumcised. Happy with it or not, forgiveness is vital for an enlightened and free self. The idea of actually suing one's parents seems barbaric to me. You don't have to like your parents, but they did bring you into this world and give you life. I'm sure they made mistakes as they raised you, but every human being does. We're not designed to be perfect. Like I wrote above, it’s a matter of respect.

        My invitation to stay out of my pants was actually meant to be a bit humorous while still maintaining a point. Your personal attack, “you freak”, had nothing to do with the topic. It was just unnecessary. I have three daughters (and I'm done populating my corner of the world!), so circumcision was never an issue. Had I a son, it wouldn't have been an issue then either. He would have been circumcised like his father, his father's father, his father… and so on. He also would have been educated as to why he had that circumcision, as well as been educated on proper genital hygiene. Teaching boys proper genital hygiene should be our focus, not outlawing traditions in faith. We're talking about thousands of years of tradition – a tradition that has proven to be medically beneficial for males scientifically. So my God doesn't demand foreskin. He looks out for our best interests, which, in this case, means a lowered chance of obtaining and spreading sexually transmitted infections, urinary tract infections and penile cancer. Considering that, it doesn't seem like my God is out to do any harm. It seems more likely He's out to help. Obviously we don't worship the same deity. That's fine with me. You find what makes you happy. Unfortunately your foreskin is gone. That's a thing of the past. You can't get it back. You have the penis you have been given. May as well be happy with what you have and let go of the anger and resentment you have toward your parents. That will only eat away at you spiritually.

        Whether you want it or not, I forgive you for the personal attacks.

        Namaste, friend.

        • rageplug

          I agree. The personal attacks are really uncalled for (though tempting).

          I view tolerance as a two way street, but it seems not everyone shares that view.

        • airborne11

          @kengabriel
          “I notice you didn't argue with the available, proven science that a circumcised penis lowers the risk of sexually transmitted infections” Do you know what can also reduce STDs? Education. Mutual masturbation. And condoms. And handjobs. And in some cases, blowjobs. There are so many things one can do before resorting to hacking off chunks of flesh!
          Also, as far as lowering the rates of HIV, did you actually read the article? “This includes the recent studies done in Kenya, South Africa, and Uganda by Ronald H. Gray, a professor at Johns Hopkins University. He recently reported that men who were circumcised were less likely by half to contract HIV virus and less likely by one-third to become infected with HPV and herpes. [2] While this sounds promising, I agree with my colleague George Denniston, M.D., who said, “The United States has high rates of HIV and the highest rate of circumcision in the West. The “experiment” of using circumcision to stem HIV infection has been running here for decades. It has failed miserably. Why do countries such as New Zealand, where they abandoned infant circumcision 50 years ago, or European countries, where circumcision is rare, have such low rates of HIV?” [3]
          “Cutting off some skin over nerve endings exposes more sensitive nerve endings underneath” But you…are still…chopping…off…nerve endings!!! And during sex, the foreskin gets pulled back to expose those “more sensitive” nerve endings, anyway. How do I know this? Because I worship uncut cock, and I make them happy on a regular basis! There are all sorts of fun ways to pull back the foreskin: you can use your lips or teeth or tongue or fingers or feet…use your imagination! When down properly, sucking cock really is an art form. And just imagine when the foreskin is pulled over the head…try to fathom the bliss of having a tongue caressing the nerves on the head of the penis while simultaneously stimulating the nerves on the foreskin. I have a pretty good idea of how amazing it must feel because I see the looks of exquisite joy that spasm across the faces of those on the receiving end :)))
          “I'm not going to lie and say I've never watched porn. It's just not something I do on a regular basis. I believe it drains and darkens a person's aura. Plus, when we focus hard on the physical, we lose contact with our spiritual selves.” Porn should never replace actual, physical contact…but it sure is nice to have on those cold, lonely, horny nights when actual, physical contact is not an option!

          “The reason for performing circumcisions before the age of twelve is to make sure it's done before a boy becomes sexually active. “ That is still no justification for chopping off the flesh of your child. Why not educate your child about how to clean his penis and about how to protect himself when he does become sexually active? That’s like saying: “My child might stub his toe so I should cut his toe off preemptively.” It is completely ludicrous and unjustifiable.

          “The circumcision is a SYMBOL of my covenant with my God” YOUR covenant with YOUR “god”, NOT your child’s covenant, and NOT your child’s “god”. Your child isn’t old enough to even understand the concept of “god” when you decide to hack off a chunk of his flesh. But then again, I would also like to live in a world where parents are not allowed to force their religious beliefs onto their children. Too often, parents use guilt and shame and isolation tactics to force their primitive and barbaric beliefs onto their kids, so that even if you had waited until your son was 16 to allow him to make that decision for himself, most likely he would feel guilt-ridden to do so. He would probably think something along the lines of: “Gee, if I don’t do this, I risk pissing off ‘god’ and my parents, or being sent straight to hell”, depending on the particular beliefs of your chosen faith. A child should be able to grow up in an environment where he knows that he has options, and that if he doesn’t want to chop off a part of his dick, he doesn’t have to!!! Hell, I think it should be the law that before a 16 year-old kid can even have the surgery performed, he should have to undergo psychiatric evaluation to determine that it IS his choice and that he is not being coerced into doing so because of his parents. That is the world I want to live in, and if I ever run for office, it will be a core part of my campaign (another core issue would be enforced parental licensing…that should take care of several pesky problems, including overpopulation, unwanted pregnancies, most abortions, and dwindling natural resources, just to name a few!)
          “Any attempt at outlawing circumcision would be a direct violation of the United States Constitution.” That is a completely bogus statement, and you know it. Besides, we aren’t talking about completely outlawing it…a kid could still grow up and choose to do it. This is about protecting the rights of children who do not have a voice in the matter. The only voice they have is the screams of pain which issue forth after having a chunk of their manhood sliced off upon entering this particularly twisted level of the Multiverse.
          “I'm sure they [parents] made mistakes as they raised you, but every human being does.” Just because you can reproduce doesn’t mean you should. And some people simply should not be allowed to have children, ever…you know them and I know them. Besides, if my parents had never been issued a parental license and I had never existed, then I would never have known any of the love or hate which exists in the world. There would be nothing to regret, because there would only be nothing.
          “Your personal attack, “you freak”, had nothing to do with the topic.” You are absolutely correct. That was completely inappropriate of me and below me, written in a haze of angered disbelief, and I sin-cerely apologize.
          “Teaching boys proper genital hygiene should be our focus, not outlawing traditions in faith.” You can still teach them proper genital hygiene without removing their flesh!!!
          “You can't get it back.” You actually can stretch the skin, but I have heard that it is a painful process and that it emits a rather unpleasant smell. I have made my peace with it as much as I ever can, and the closest thing I get now to having a foreskin is when I “dock” with a man who does have one: “docking” is when a man with a foreskin pulls said skin over the penis-head of his partner…a delightful sin-sation which usually only causes a momentary pang of bittersweet loss :(

          • Bigdickmegaherz

            Airborne11 your being rude and the personal attacks over how small your circumcized penis is need to stop. Quit projecting your insecurities.

    • http://www.RestoringForeskin.org Restoring Tally

      A man circumcised shortly after birth has no way of knowing if sex is better with or without a foreskin. Such a man has no way of knowing if he has been damaged because he has no frame of reference. Logic tells us that it should be better if the penis had been left intact. Studies also tell us that the men with an intact penis have greater sexual pleasure. One study shows 38% of men who got an adult circumcision to fix a penis problem report sexual harm after being cut. These were men who started out with problems. One would expect corrective surgery to improve things, not make them worse.
      http://www.jurology.com/article/S0022-5347%2805

      Another study showed that 63% of men found it more difficult to masturbate after adult circumcision and one-fifth of the men reported that sex was worse after being cut.
      http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/full
      There are many other studies that show the harms of circumcision. After all, it is our sex organ. I would have preferred to have all of mine.

      On a side note, I am restoring my foreskin. My wife noticed that I have gotten larger as I restored my foreskin. Again, logic tells us that removing something, as in circumcision, cannot make it larger. Again, a person cut at birth has no basis of comparison. He cannot know if he would have been larger or not if left intact.

  • tonyviner

    I don't understand how it is supposed to thwart masturbation. It hasn't stopped me or my grandchildren.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PDDVWRQVUPMKRGHURIEQVNYWHQ Sean

      there isn't a force in the heavens or on earth that can thwart masturbation

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PDDVWRQVUPMKRGHURIEQVNYWHQ Sean

    I wonder how much support people would have for any other type forced cosmetic surgery on children?

  • EvilGod

    Seeing as the painful and unnecessary mutilation of their children doesn't seem as abhorrent to parents as it should be, possibly the most efficient ways to reduce it would be to have Medicaid, NHS, Medicare (or whatever your government calls its health service) and all HMOs etc. simply add it to the huge list of cosmetic surgeries that they will not reimburse for.

  • Greg

    I got circumcised at age 40. I have to say I prefer it to having a foreskin– no more hygiene problems and sex is more intense and enjoyable. I wish I’d got it done earlier. But that’s just my experience.

  • Greg

    I got circumcised at age 40. I have to say I prefer it to having a foreskin– no more hygiene problems and sex is more intense and enjoyable. I wish I'd got it done earlier. But that's just my experience.

  • Hawkeye128

    I’m 45 circumcised as an infant. My penis has an ugly abnormality thing called skin bridge as a result of my circumcision. My skin bridge (also known as skin adhesion) is a piece of skin about a quarter of an inch wide from the shaft of my penis that has attached to the edge or rim of the head or gland of my penis. It is a quite common occurrence I have discovered. I hate it. By the time my parents noticed this had occurred the only way to repair it was surgically (which leaves scares on the penis). My parents as uncomfortable with my hidden deformity as me just left it and let me deal with it on my own. It has been an embarrassment source of fear and anquish my entire life. The fear of being nude and having my penis examined by my lovers has always caused tremendous worry.. will she accept me. Many many men have these deformations caused by improper healing which would have never occurred with out having been circumcised in the first place. Parents are sent home with minimal information about care and prevention of abnormalities. Circumcision complications range between one in 200 and 500. I hate all of you that promote and defend this procedure. Your motives are selfish lies to defend the actions of your faith. It’s clear that none of you supporting this have any of the commonly occurring deformations yourself commonly caused by this procedure. The literal millions of us who are left to suffer from these circumcisional mishaps and mutilations are virtually silent because its so personal and embarrassing in nature. If anyone wants to know how unsightly my deformity is it is easily found with a google search,penile skin bridge, under images.

  • Hawkeye128

    I’m 45 circumcised as an infant. My penis has an ugly abnormality thing called skin bridge as a result of my circumcision. My skin bridge (also known as skin adhesion) is a piece of skin about a quarter of an inch wide from the shaft of my penis that has attached to the edge or rim of the head or gland of my penis. It is a quite common occurrence I have discovered. I hate it. By the time my parents noticed this had occurred the only way to repair it was surgically (which leaves scares on the penis). My parents as uncomfortable with my hidden deformity as me just left it and let me deal with it on my own. It has been an embarrassment source of fear and anquish my entire life. The fear of being nude and having my penis examined by my lovers has always caused tremendous worry.. will she accept me. Many many men have these deformations caused by improper healing which would have never occurred with out having been circumcised in the first place. Parents are sent home with minimal information about care and prevention of abnormalities. Circumcision complications range between one in 200 and 500. I hate all of you that promote and defend this procedure. Your motives are selfish lies to defend the actions of your faith. It’s clear that none of you supporting this have any of the commonly occurring deformations yourself commonly caused by this procedure. The literal millions of us who are left to suffer from these circumcisional mishaps and mutilations are virtually silent because its so personal and embarrassing in nature. If anyone wants to know how unsightly my deformity is it is easily found with a google search,penile skin bridge, under images.

    • Bigdickmegaherz

      You hate me…; sorry Id rather have scars than cheese dick. 

  • Bigdickmegaherz

    Airborne11 your being rude and the personal attacks over how small your circumcized penis is need to stop. Quit projecting your insecurities.

  • Bigdickmegaherz

    You hate me…; sorry Id rather have scars than cheese dick. 

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