9/11 Truthers Could Be Locked Up For Life Under Proposed U.S. Law

A new bill quietly introduced by Congress last week is causing quite a stir among civil liberties groups. The brainchild of senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman, the bill would give the United States government the power to indefinitely detain terror suspects without charge or trial. It would also allow the government to interrogate them for the intelligence value and it doesn’t make a distinction between U.S. citizens and non-citizens.

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  • 5by5

    Well both McCain and Liebermush are confirmed douchebags, but does anybody know the Senate Bill number so that we might go and read it for ourselves?

    I learned long ago never to trust second hand interpretation of a bill, but rather to read it myself, because in the reading you often find that things are either better, or far worse than those “interpreting” it for you have portrayed.

  • mbo

    “9/11 Truthers Could Be Locked Up For Life Under Proposed U.S. Law”

    I don't get it. Are writers of fiction a threat to our national security?

    • http://lovewithoutsound.blogspot.com/ adam

      Anyone who is even slightly against the US Imperialist system is a perceived threat now a days it seems.

      • http://www.xenex.org/ xen

        Perhaps so, but I don't quite see why Truthers would be singled out for this article. Is it sensationalism? As I am reading it, this could be directed at any group, no?

    • Deze

      9/11 conspiracy is fiction mbo? I'd say that is very debatable.

      27 year CIA veteran Raymond Mcgovern- ” I think at simplest terms there's a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke”

      29 year CIA veteran Bill Christison ” I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September 11th did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 commission would have us believe” “All three buildings that were destroyed in the world trade center were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings prior to 9/11″

      20 year CIA veteran Robert Baer ” The evidence points at 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job”

      Chief CIA officer Melvin Goodman ” The final 9/11 commission report is ultimately a cover-up”

      9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton ” The commission was set up to fail, people should keep asking questions about 9/11″

      9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer ” We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

      9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland ” One of these days we will have to get the full story, but this White house wants to cover it up”

      9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerry ” There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our report”

      Senior Counsel 9/11 Commission John Farmer ” At some level of the government, at some point in time, there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened”

      • mbo

        I believe their is a difference in the government covering up its own ineptitude's and the fundamental tenant of the “Truther” movement, which seems to be that the US Government covertly orchestrated the attacks. Thats the end game of the Truther arguments yes?

        It's insanely easy to see cover ups in this case. But the problem is the Truthers tend to make some pretty wild/convenient assumptions based on these rather transparent attempts of the Goverment to cover it's own ass.

        Sorry but Occam's razor will cut down a house of cards quite nicely.

        So yes, these assumptions (building was demolished by charges etc) are all fiction. Their very design is to titillate, and in turn stimulate book/DVD sales. It's really just culture building.

        Fun and exciting as ghost/UFO hunting!

        • Michael Anthony

          You seem a little presumptuous concerning the “Truther Movement.” The fundamental tenant of the “Truther” movement IS NOT that the US Gov't covertly orchestrated the attacks of 9/11. Now, I don't doubt for a split second that there are members of this movement that believe this. In fact, it may even be the majority. However, in any group anywhere on the planet there is dissenting opinion within the group regardless of commonalities. So just b/c you saw a youtube video with someone who claimed allegiance to the “Truther” movement and claimed the Gov't was directly responsible, doesn't mean everyone in that movement inevitable feels the same way. Furthermore, the main tenant of the “Truther” movement is simply that “elements of the US Gov't (i.e. Bush Administration) were EITHER criminally negligent OR criminally complicent in the events of 9/11.” The figureheads of the “Truther” movement explicitly announce that more investigations are needed to determine the extent of the criminal involvement of the Bush administration. By you claiming only half of their statement as the 'fundamental tenant' of their movement, you are perpetuating the problem with today's under-educated society. You are filtering information just like the mainstream media. Only giving half the story. That being said, do you really believe there is a “difference” in elements of the Bush administration being criminally negligenct and criminally complicent??? Perhaps so at a quantum level. But I know that in a court of law the difference would NOT translate into dismissal of the criminal charges were it you or I who were the defendant. Open your eyes and your mind and stop digesting what the mainstream is telling you about the “Truther” movement and EVERYTHING else for that matter!

          • mbo

            “In fact, it may even be the majority.”

            So, by your own admission, it doesn't seem like such a leap of faith to make the assumption that the “Truthers” believe that the attacks were orchestrated, right? I don't think this is an unfair generalization of this “movement” and it has certainly been perpetuated by a vast majority of 9/11 theorists, in both mainstream and alternative media sources.

            And so…If the majority of the Truthers believe in:

            • theories that have been widely dis-prooved,
            • many unfounded and baseless accusations
            • and just plain fantastic imaginings of US government intent

            then you don't think it's reasonable to assume that the 9/11 Truther culture is perhaps not terribly creditable?

            “do you really believe there is a “difference” in elements of the Bush administration being criminally negligenct and criminally complicent”

            Yes of course.

            One argument suggest the Government was mired in ineptitude which lead to the attacks

            The other argument suggests that the Government skillfully and covertly executed the attacks

            The end game of each argument is wildly different.

            “Open your eyes and your mind and stop digesting what the mainstream is telling you about the “Truther” movement and EVERYTHING else for that matter!”

            Now who's making assumptions? Tisk Tisk.

            Wait..EVERYTHING? Are you telling me American Idol is fixed?

            Say it aint so..

            Thanks for chatting.

          • http://twitter.com/amcmulin007 Austin McMulin

            This whole argument is a little skewed. I would say the so-called “9/11 Truth” movement is an educational movement, at best we would hope it is a scientific inquiry into the events surrounding this important event. “Truthers” from my experience have been advocating awareness to facts and reality. It was a highly recorded and documented event, which produces in itself a multitude of questions to speculate upon. Like for instance, don’t we have security systems in place which are supposed to kick into gear, when an events like this occurs, like I don’t know, NORAD, and so then you ask what was NORAD’s response time, and so and and so forth. The public’s systems investigated these matters, and it is the duty and privilege of the public to be informed about public events and the facts surrounding them.

            To lock up a “9-11 Truther” would be the equivalent of looking up a historian, or a social studies professor. I have a read a lot of books about historical events, written by people directly involved with the events, which upon consideration you develop a better understanding of how historical events actually progress. Studying history and facts is encouraged everywhere else, why would we suddenly ridicule a group of people for an investigation of history? 

            Consider Sheldon Stern’s book The Week the World Stood Still:Inside the Secret Cuban Missile Crisis, which creates a very different view of the Cuban missile than is normally understood, the generally accepted story of this being some calculated ploy of the Russians, and some sort of honorable restraint by President Kennedy. Instead in that book you find Kennedy somewhat confused and and led by military leaders who are encouraging an invasion of Cuba, including bombs, soldiers on ground, and all the other hell a military invasion is, and the whole time it is on shady-hyped intelligence briefings. Somewhat similar, obviously, to the story, we have on Iraq War part two. 

            Mbo seems to hype a straw-man called the “U.S. Government” which is some monolithic nomenclature, which could include any person conceivably, who collects a check from the government, Federal or State, basically establishing no line of demarcation in his rebuttal. He appeals to hyperbole, and ignorance. He makes his enemy seem to be saying something he isn’t, which is that it is some vast conspiracy inside the “U.S. Government.”

            Further, the whole argument is similar to one which creeps up between Theist and Atheists, where the atheist having rejected a particular belief in God is now forced to explain every single minute detail of existence, or de facto theists thinks they win, which is like the “Anti-Conspiracy” camp which somehow creates some sloppy straw-man and then tells the enemy is to piss off.  While the enemy is merely saying, why is x this way, or why is there this discrepancy in protocol or disclosure here, or where do these terrorist come from, how did they accomplish their activities, etc.

            In conclusion, if a murder occurs in you neighborhood, you ask who, what, why, and how. No one blames you, no one ridicules you. You are smart for doing this. If there are international crimes and events of a similar nature you should ask the same questions and not be called crazy.

  • tonyviner

    Time for me to shut up.

  • Hahahahahahahahahaha!

    Starting to look more and more like China.

  • jamacanmecrzy

    This is some scary stuff.
    What if they passed something like this during the Vietnam War?

    • tonyviner

      There was something like that enacted under Wilson during WWI. The Espionage Acts.

  • http://www.myspace.com/santosramos fabian_ramos

    nwo is 'a comin'

  • rosswolf

    Compare: S.3081 – Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010

    With The:
    Discriminatory Laws
    February 28, 1933
    1933. ROBL. I 83

    DECREE OF THE REICH PRESIDENT FOR THE PROTECTION OF
    THE PEOPLE AND STATE

    Note: Based on translations by State Department, National Socialism, 1942 PP. 215-17, and Pollak, J.K., and Heneman, H.J., The Hitler Decrees, (1934), pp. 10-11.7

    In virtue of Section 48 (2) of the German Constitution, the following is decreed as a defensive measure against Communist acts of Violence, endangering the state:

    Section 1
    Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

    Section 2
    If in a state the measures necessary for the restoration of public security and order are not taken, the Reich Government may temporarily take over the powers of the highest state authority.

    Section 4
    Whoever provokes, or appeals for or incites to the disobedience of the orders given out by the supreme state authorities or the authorities subject to then for the execution of this decree, or the orders given by the Reich Government according to Section 2, is punishable—insofar as the deed, is not covered by the decree with more severe punishment and with imprisonment of not less that one month, or with a fine from 150 up to 15,000 Reichsmarks.

    Who ever endangers human life by violating Section 1, is to be punished by sentence to a penitentiary, under mitigating circumstances with imprisonment of not less than six months and, when violation causes the death of a person, with death, under mitigating circumstances with a penitentiary sentence of not less that two years. In addition the sentence my include confiscation of property.

    Whoever provokes an inciter to or act contrary to public welfare is to be punished with a penitentiary sentence, under mitigating circumstances, with imprisonment of not less than three months.

    Section 5
    The crimes which under the Criminal Code are punishable with penitentiary for life are to be punished with death: i.e., in Sections 81 (high treason), 229 (poisoning), 306 (arson), 311 (explosion), 312 (floods), 315, paragraph 2 (damage to railroad properties, 324 (general poisoning).

    Insofar as a more severe punishment has not been previously provided for, the following are punishable with death or with life imprisonment or with imprisonment not to exceed 15 years:

    1. Anyone who undertakes to kill the Reich President or a member or a commissioner of the Reich Government or of a state government, or provokes to such a killing, or agrees to commit it, or accepts such an offer, or conspires with another for such a murder;

    2. Anyone who under Section 115 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious rioting) or of Section 125 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious disturbance of the peace) commits the act with arms or cooperates consciously and intentionally with an armed person;

    3. Anyone who commits a kidnapping under Section 239 of the Criminal with the intention of making use of the kidnapped person as a hostage in the political struggle.

    Section 6
    This decree enters in force on the day of its promulgation.

    Reich President
    Reich Chancellor
    Reich Minister of the Interior
    Reich Minister of Justice

  • P.gibbons

    24 Canadians were murdred at the World Trade Center and our Goverment could not care a less.P.M. Harper is dancing on the same puppet strings as Pres. Obama is–maybe one day they will bump in to each other!

  • P.gibbons

    24 Canadians were murdred at the World Trade Center and our Goverment could not care a less.P.M. Harper is dancing on the same puppet strings as Pres. Obama is–maybe one day they will bump in to each other!

  • dezionizer

    Mossad/zionists did 9/11 – go to Rediscover9/11.com. Peter

  • Anonymous

    Mossad/zionists did 9/11 – go to Rediscover9/11.com. Peter

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Edward-Kendrick/1012462908 John Edward Kendrick

    The Zionist-occupiers of the U.S. government are running scared and seek to gag those of us who won’t shut up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4

    http://ReDiscover911.com

    http://911MissingLinks.com

    http://whodidit.org/cocon.html

    http://patriotsquestion911.com

    http://patriotsquestion911.com/

    Occam’s razor disinformation argument is old and fully rebutted in regard to 9/11. Can’t you find some newer disinfo to use, MBO?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Edward-Kendrick/1012462908 John Edward Kendrick

    The Zionist-occupiers of the U.S. government are running scared and seek to gag those of us who won’t shut up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4

    http://ReDiscover911.com

    http://911MissingLinks.com

    http://whodidit.org/cocon.html

    http://patriotsquestion911.com

    http://patriotsquestion911.com/

    Occam’s razor disinformation argument is old and fully rebutted in regard to 9/11. Can’t you find some newer disinfo to use, MBO?

  • zzz

    What the lady is saying at min 1, we had here in Romania under the Communist regime! :)) Good for you America. I know it is already old news and I am guessing things changed but still, a Republican proposing this? ;)))

  • zzz

    What the lady is saying at min 1, we had here in Romania under the Communist regime! :)) Good for you America. I know it is already old news and I am guessing things changed but still, a Republican proposing this? ;)))

  • http://twitter.com/amcmulin007 Austin McMulin

    This whole argument is a little skewed. I would say the so-called “9/11 Truth” movement is an educational movement, at best we would hope it is a scientific inquiry into the events surrounding this important event. “Truthers” from my experience have been advocating awareness to facts and reality. It was a highly recorded and documented event, which produces in itself a multitude of questions to speculate upon. Like for instance, don’t we have security systems in place which are supposed to kick into gear, when an events like this occurs, like I don’t know, NORAD, and so then you ask what was NORAD’s response time, and so and and so forth. The public’s systems investigated these matters, and it is the duty and privilege of the public to be informed about public events and the facts surrounding them.

    To lock up a “9-11 Truther” would be the equivalent of looking up a historian, or a social studies professor. I have a read a lot of books about historical events, written by people directly involved with the events, which upon consideration you develop a better understanding of how historical events actually progress. Studying history and facts is encouraged everywhere else, why would we suddenly ridicule a group of people for an investigation of history? 

    Consider Sheldon Stern’s book The Week the World Stood Still:Inside the Secret Cuban Missile Crisis, which creates a very different view of the Cuban missile than is normally understood, the generally accepted story of this being some calculated ploy of the Russians, and some sort of honorable restraint by President Kennedy. Instead in that book you find Kennedy somewhat confused and and led by military leaders who are encouraging an invasion of Cuba, including bombs, soldiers on ground, and all the other hell a military invasion is, and the whole time it is on shady-hyped intelligence briefings. Somewhat similar, obviously, to the story, we have on Iraq War part two. 

    Mbo seems to hype a straw-man called the “U.S. Government” which is some monolithic nomenclature, which could include any person conceivably, who collects a check from the government, Federal or State, basically establishing no line of demarcation in his rebuttal. He appeals to hyperbole, and ignorance. He makes his enemy seem to be saying something he isn’t, which is that it is some vast conspiracy inside the “U.S. Government.”

    Further, the whole argument is similar to one which creeps up between Theist and Atheists, where the atheist having rejected a particular belief in God is now forced to explain every single minute detail of existence, or de facto theists thinks they win, which is like the “Anti-Conspiracy” camp which somehow creates some sloppy straw-man and then tells the enemy is to piss off.  While the enemy is merely saying, why is x this way, or why is there this discrepancy in protocol or disclosure here, or where do these terrorist come from, how did they accomplish there activities, etc.

    In conclusion, if a murder occurs in you neighborhood, you ask who, what, why, and how. No one blames you, no one ridicules you. You are smart for doing this. If there are international crimes and events of a similar nature you should ask the same questions and not be called crazy.

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