• http://www.nickhodge.com/blog/ Nick Hodge

    whoa. people actually believe that rapture stuff? no wonder the world is totally broken.

    • bryan_85

      yeah some of us do believe in this.don't blame christians for the world being “broken”, i can honestly say (because i am a christian) that the politicians or preachers you see on t.v. ARE NOT real christians. so please don't blame the world's problems on us. yes a lot of bad things have happened under the banner of christianity but if you are swinging a sword for the Lord instead of loving people then i can say that those people are not people of Christ.

      • br0wnb3rry

        is the pope christian while helping cover up the child abuse scandals?

        • bryan_85

          heck no he's not!!! personally, i believe that the catholic church is powered by demonic entities. most christians who believe that they have a good understanding of the end times prophesied in the Bible think that the False Prophet is actually the Pope.

          • John

            And the Catholics believe the same thing about your religion.. The reason the world is so messed up is because people demonize people of other beliefs, why failing to realize that all most people in the world want is safety and happiness.

            and no most christians dont believe the false prophet is the pope.. just because people YOU know believe that, that doesnt mean most people.

            Hell, a lot of people think Benny Hinn is a prophet.. that doesnt make him any less of a crazy man.

          • bryan_85

            No, the Catholics do not believe the same thing about my religion (whatever that is supposed to mean…). Actually they work right along side the Protestant sect.
            Second, no, the world is messed up because of sin, because people don't want to live by Christs' standards that He set in the Bible.
            Third, no, not most people i know would agree with me. So you are wrong again.
            Yes, Benny Hinn is a crazy man, i agree with you on that at least.

          • Hadrian999

            why should any of us live by his standard,
            that sounds like slavery to me, I have no interest
            in an afterlife populated by people with no will of their own

          • bryan_85

            Yes, in a way it is slavery. The Bible says the Jesus came to serve and since we are to model his life we are to serve our neighbors as well. As for “an afterlife populated by people of no will power of their own” it's not that we won't be able to make our own decisions, it's just that God will take the knowledge of evil away from us, so any decision that we make will be a good decision void of selfishness, greed, hatred, etc, etc.. I'm willing to let God not allow me to make those kind of decisions ever again.

          • Word Eater

            I call myself a Christian, as well. I take the good with the bad. I disagree with much of Pop Christianity.

            That said, why would I want God to take away the free will we were given by removing the possibility of doing the wrong thing?

            The path to knowledge is littered with the mistakes from which you learn.

            I must be stupid before I can be enlightened.

            God wants us to ask questions, even the uncomfortable ones.

          • Hadrian999

            maybe god wants you to ask questions,
            the church on the other hand…..

          • bryan_85

            Yeah i disagree with a majority of Pop Christianity as well. I just don't see it as free will God will be taking away, i see it as him taking the “evil” out of the world and along with that He would be taking the idea of “evil” out of the world as well. So i guess i am saying that we would be free just to make good decisions.

          • voxmagi

            Actually, despite the recent decades of politeness, the dogma doesn't agree with you. Most of the major sects include beliefs that prohibit any not of that faith from ascension to heaven. To prevent bloodshed, they agree to quietly disagree, but to a Catholic a Protestant has stepped away from the true faith, and to a Protestant, a Catholic is practicing a false faith. To a Muslim, you're practicing a false faith, etc etc etc.

            How do you think sects happen? The divisions between even similar faiths are written as dogma and emphasized as the 'one true path' to heaven. No matter what faith, and I've had several, people allow religion and religious conviction to divide them.

            I think God as a concept is great…but as a practice, a disaster. Believe what you want, but know that not only will people disagree on occasion, but that in the eyes of the other faiths you are the heretic bound for hell, not they.

          • bryan_85

            Yeah you are totally right, so what's your point?

          • bryan_85

            *** i meant that the third paragraph that you wrote was correct.
            Dogma's are man made interpretations of what the Bible supposedly says.

      • Hadrian999

        do you have a timeline, I'm sort of planning a BBQ for the day after…it's cool if i use your house right?

        • bryan_85

          Hahaha, well only God knows that, or at least that is what the Bible says. I feel that you are kind of picking at me but it's cool, i have some friends that think it's funny too so i know where you are coming from. Hopefully i am wrong about thinking you are picking. Just glad you didn't attack me like that John guy up top there.

          • nick__nick

            I don't mean to attack you, but the “rapture” is never going to happen. Sorry man. It's seriously not.

          • bryan_85

            It's cool man, we all believe something different. :)

          • Word Eater

            You say “rapture,” I say “gamma ray burst.”

          • Hadrian999

            only a little, not trying to be mean about,
            I know my faith has some stuff you would pick at me over lol

          • bryan_85

            haha well i would only pick at you in good clean fun.

          • David

            How dare you tell someone else they're not a “real” Christian. They would say the same thing about you. What authority do either of you have over that?

            Ignorant piece of shit.

          • bryan_85

            Well it's not very “christian” of you to call me an “ignorant piece of sh*t” but i take it that you aren't a christian anyway, you just want to put your two cents into a discussion.
            And if you even knew what the Bible says, the Bible says we are to call out fellow believers and if they do not straigten up their behavior then we are to banish them from the church until they do correct themselves.

      • http://www.nickhodge.com/blog/ Nick Hodge

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        • bryan_85

          hey that is actually pretty cool, unfortunately i live in California and they don't cover that state yet :(

      • Truth

        I hate to tell you but just because YOU don't regard them as “christian” that doesn't mean they aren't. That is a lame cop-out answer. Anyone who claims to be christian, is christian, and they represent your dogma whether you like it or not. Believe what you want to believe, but don't be a fool about it. Your religion has led to the slaughtering of millions of people and billions of non-human animals. You can try and say they aren't/weren't christian, but you're just fooling yourself into believing something as true when it isn't (much the same way you still believe in a god). You're only christian because you were born to parents that are christian. If you had been born in Tehran, Iran, you'd be muslim. If you had been born in Delhi, India you'd most likely be Hindu.

        Religion, and religious beliefs, are archaic and geographical. There is no god.

        • bryan_85

          If God isn't real then stop argueing about it, you shouldn't feel like you have to prove that God isn't real.
          Regarding me saying that they aren't christians, well I CAN say if someone isn't a christian because i have read the Bible and it specifically states what a christian is and what a christian isn't. But since God isn't real to you you should probably keep your mouth shut when it comes to what i can and can't do as a christian.

          • Spooky

            My, that's somewhat heavy handed…to regard other branches of the same faith as false is somewhat myopic. If it practices your major ideals and worships your god you are for better or worse “related” to them. While a statement that there is no divine is somewhat repugnant- it is in some sense correct. The bible itself states that after a time the power you worship will cease to take action on the mortal realm, looking at it from that perspective the outlook that there is no god can be explained as a simple lack of evidence, not necessarily a lack of being. Though personally I equate the divine more with life than an anthropomorphized concept of human will. I say human will because the idea of a jealous god, creator of all, strikes me as odd. If he is present in all things- then why on earth is he jealous? why the punishments? isn't he above our petty squabbles? It's sort of like seeing a kid get mad at their ant farm, no?

      • pasta

        34″Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
        ” 'a man against his father,
        a daughter against her mother,
        a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
        36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.”

        Hmmmm ….pretty sure that's Matthew Chapter 10. And that's straight from Jesus' lips. I'm not saying all Christians follow those parts of what Jesus said, but I am glad that most Christians don't take Jesus or the Bible literally.

        • bryan_85

          yeah most people that don't believe the Bible interpret that verse wrong, like you just did.

      • James_Smith

        If you're a christian, you're too stupid to have even a shred of credibility. Go rapture yourself.

        Yes, most of the world's problems are, and always have been, caused by religion. The christian religion is one of the worst. Yes, the muslims are working hard to take over first place, but let's remember, they learned it all from you christians.

        Mankind will never truly be free until the black yoke of religion is lifted by the clear light of truth and logic.

        • bryan_85

          I agree, religion has caused a lot of problems. God hasn't caused the problems, man has. So yeah i agree with you. Jesus stood against religion, He wants a personal relationship with people. No one should force people to believe in Jesus because Jesus didn't force people either.

          • sfs

            Yep, I dont have a problem with peole believing in santa either til they take over russia saying it was the ancestral home of black peter. Good hearted christians; imagine how useful you could be to the world you loved if you didnt first try to align the results of what you see with what you must believe. Even if your god existed how could he have a problem with you being open minded?

          • Spooky

            I don't know, “here's free will, now do exactly as I say and never use that shit or I'll make you suffer for all eternity in unknowable agony” seems sort of like stacking the deck, if your god really loved or wanted a personal relationship with “his creation” you'd think hell would be something of a moot point if he gave a damn. It seems more like a revenge fantasy dreamed up by a xenophobic culture some few thousand years ago more than anything to me.

          • bryan_85

            You replied to me four times, obviously you are just looking for an arguement, not a discussion.

          • Spooky

            Nah, just replied to different bits I found interesting or confusing.

          • Spooky

            Sorry, that came out a bit…let's just go with “rough”, just, some of the things that particular text says…seems entirely at odds with the supposed spirit of love it's (some people say) meant to spread. Not slightly disjointed, but wholly disconnected.

      • Word Eater

        “not a real Christian” is a silly distinction.

        They just aren't what you consider a Christian.

        It's the “no true Scotsman” fallacy and you should know better.

        “Christian” is a label with millions of connotations. Live by the code you wish to live by and believe what you wish to believe.

        You can call it “Christianity” if you want to, but be prepared to be grouped with idiots and ideologues.

        • bryan_85

          Yes, you can say that the Christian label comes with millions of connotations but when it comes to God there is only one right way and a lot of wrong ways, we can't all be right.

          • Spooky

            why not? why can't your god's message ring true through multiple faiths if the message is universal? what if the divisive elements are a test for salvation to see if you can become enlightened enough to put aside differences and rely only instead on a basic understanding of truth and love taken from the texts? Is your god incapable of appearing in myriad forms? and why would he appear only to people in the middle east for a time? then, it would seem, exclusively to europeans? the spread of the christian bible did not come through divine revelations, but rather through the point of a sword. Is it not possible that your god could simply appear as a different, more understandable form in India? or perhaps Australia? the vessel is not important, it is the message, the message however has been prey to men of influence seeking to hide their actions behind a shield of faith, hence different interpretations of a relatively straight forward text. if the message is what matters, but it has been corrupted, you must instead look solely to the core, the core offered by jesus is “love others”, and if that is all it takes to be christian- why can't you all be right, regardless of what you identify as. Christian, Buddhist , Atheist; anyone who sees the doctrine of universal love as their mandate- is according to Jesus as presented in the bible to be carrying on the true spirit of god. Only an evil being would inflict suffering upon good men, regardless of faith. Even if the being is a “deity”.

          • bryan_85

            It would be pointless for me to try to defend myself against you seeing that you have already thrown a wall up between us by saying “your god” this and “your god” that. you do not want to learn anything, you just want me to answer you so you can try (and i emphasize try because that's all you can do is try) to disprove whatever i say.
            Go ahead and say that what i said is just a cop-out and i don't want to answer you but it isn't i just don't want to waste my time with you.

      • EvilGod

        Belief in the rapture and pretty much anything else associated with religion is evidence you have been trained to believe rather than think critically for yourself. Your ability to think this is a good thing, that blind faith has value, is what atheists will never understand because it makes no sense.
        If god, or your idea of a perfect god, wrote the bible it would be perfect. It would make sense to humans if we were designed by and it was written by a perfect being.
        Man wrote ALL religious texts. Man is flawed. Therefore all religious texts are flawed. Therefore unquestioning acceptance of their contents, particularly in light of the multiple blatant contradictions within them, is insane.

        You are obviously a Real Christian©, oh, hang on, what was it Christ said? Oh that's right. “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34)

        Anyone who can seriously deny the hatred and crimes done in the name of various gods and their associated religions is truly ignorant and has made a conscious decision to be so. It is not so much religion or specific faiths that is the main problem. It's the fact that anyone who believes in a higher power that is in control assumes no responsibility for their own actions. Anything done must be the will of god.

        • bryan_85

          Believing in a religion has nothing to do with “thinking for yourself”, it is something that i have decided, ON MY OWN, to believe in.
          You stated that the Bible “would be perfect if god wrote it”, well the Bibe IS perfect. Yes, man did write the Bible but it was written by man while filled with the Holy Spirit. It's up to you to believe it or not, no one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to believe it. If you choose not to believe it then that is cool with me, to each his own. “Blatant contradictions” is the typical card played by atheists about the Bible.
          Quoting Matthew 10:34 is also another verse that is EASILY taken out of context, any bit of theological knowledge and you would know that Jesus is speaking in metaphor there. He is just saying that believing in him will cost you a lot, it might even cost you the love of your family, heck it might even cost you your life. I am a christian that believes in non-violence (unfortunately there are not many of us here in america).
          I do not deny the crimes done in the name of the christian god. In fact i will apologize for all the violence carried out in my god's name. My heart breaks whenever “christians” kill in his name but i promise you (if there winds up actually being a god) then he will not let those types of people enter into his kingdom.
          When it comes to assuming responsibility for our own actions, i assure you that i assume ALL responsiblities for my actions and not everything done is the will of God.
          Please don't think of me as the typical run of the mill christian. I really try my hardest to be set apart from that stereo-type. I want non-believers to see me and think “man, that guy really does strive to be Christ-like”. So once again, i am sorry for all christians who have caused you to think that all christians are horrible.
          It was nice hearing from you, maybe you have more to say. If so then i would like to read it.

          • http://www.unindoctrinated.com/ God 2.0

            I give you credit for striving to be Christ-like but surely you must see the error of trying to behave like a person, who if you accept the absurdity of the trinity, Jesus, if you like to use the ancient Greek translation of his name, is also Yahweh. You can't be Christ-like without also being like his father. Yahweh, by hi own admission, invented racism and sexism, was the first to commit genocide and pretty much defined the hate-crime.

            How can you possibly claim that something so incredibly, demonstrably flawed as the bible is perfect? Damn it man, Twilight makes more sense. Every time someone points out the blatantly obvious errors in your holy book the only replies one ever gets is “You're taking it out of context” or “it's a metaphor”. They are the pathetic responses your preachers give and the faithful accept them as true without ever applying any critical thought to it because critical thought is the destructive enemy of religion. You have no biblical reason to think it's a metaphor. It's just a convenient get-out-of-jail-free-card.

            You have no idea whether the bible ever was perfect as you have never read the original texts it was assembled from prior to the multiple translations and transliterations some from Aramaic, some from Hebrew, some to Latin, some to Ancient Greek, then to English. The mistakes are well known amongst biblical scholars but rarely mentioned because of the backlash it creates.

            There is literally tons of evidence that huge sections of the bible were lifted straight from previous religions.

            Who do you trust more God or Moses? So which set of commandments do you follow?
            Wouldn't you think Jesus' last words would be important to your religion? Apparently not important enough to get them right. There are three versions and at least two of them are terribly mistranslated.
            Do you ever wear mixed fibers? Eat shellfish?
            Christians always claim their religion is the basis for good morals yet your god commits all seven deadly sins in Genesis alone. How can anyone ever say “God is love” with a straight face. If God inspired the bible and it is true he has admitted to over two million murders and behaves like a petulant child.

            Too many of the faithful think this argument comes down to those who believe in god Vs. those who don't. It isn't that simple. If god was to show itself in an undeniable way I would then know that it existed. That would in no way imply that it is in any way praiseworthy.

            In regards to using “it” rather than him: God is supposedly perfect. If god is perfect he is an asexual “it”. If god is male he is either not intelligently designed or there is a female god he can mate with. Don't you just hate logic. It tears religion apart, or it would if the religious were capable of it.

            regarding your comment on those who aren't “real christians” If god is so damn perfect why would he allow billions of people to get everything wrong. What possible purpose could it serve to have dozens of religions and hundreds of branches and sects within them all stating with 100% certainty that theirs is the only true religion. If he exists he has either abandoned us, in which case he is unworthy of your devotion or he likes things the way they are in which case he's a prick and unworthy of your affection.

            To make an old quote more specific. When you understand why you don't believe in any of the other 2900 gods you'll understand why I don't believe in yours.

            I could go on forever but it is pointless. As long as you believe there is any value in faith you will disregard facts that contradict your beliefs. If this wasn't the case there would be no believers

          • bryan_85

            If you are an unbeliever then why don't you go about your life as if god doesn't exist? I mean i dont believe in unicorns but i don't try to disprove that unicorns don't exist. It's just that you are trying so hard to prove something that you don't even believe in. Just let everyone believe want they want. I'm in no way trying to force anyone to believe, i just gave one opinion and then most everyone on here wants to make me out to be a nutjob (that may or may not be what you are doing, i don't know).
            I agree with unbelievers that religion is bad, it has caused a lot of pain. God didn't cause the pain nor did he allow it, man caused and allowed it. God doesn't allow poverty in the world, WE allow it. I believe in freewill within predestination. Since adam and eve chose to sin then God seperated himself from us, in a relational way, and that is why he had to send Jesus, to make that connection possible again (that is scriptural, not just something i am making up).
            You can say that God created “sexism, racism, genocide…” but to me that is not scriptural. Since man sinned, the evil was allowed into the world because God then gave us free will because of our sin. So actually man created the ideas. The Bible says that Satan taught man war.
            Regarding your comment “There is literally tons of evidence that huge sections of the bible were lifted straight from previous religions”, you may say that what i am about to say is a cop-out but it is something that i really believe (and not just because some preacher said it) but Satan knew God's plan so he was preparing to deceive people about Jesus while God was preparing to send Jesus into the world.
            You talking about mixed fibers and shellfish are lifted straight from the Old Testement, i'm a christian, not a Jew so i don't follow the laws of the OT. And when you say that God committed the seven deadly sins in the Book of Genesis, my explanation for that is that God is God, he did do some cruel things in the OT. Then Jesus came, and when Jesus came to the world he pretty much had to say “Yo, Dad take a chill pill man!” That's how i see it. God had to come down to earth and become man to fully understand his creation, then when understood it he stopped all the destruction. Now it's man that causes all the destruction.
            I am one of the faitful that DO NOT believe its believers vs. unbelievers. I don't believe in that at all, i believe in love. I don't see religion as the issue though, more likely it is self determination. Like i have said before i am sorry for the crap that “christians” have done under the banner of christianity but i can say that if all this God stuff is real then God will not allow those people into heaven for killing in his name. Since you seem to hint at the idea that lots of people have been killed in the name of God let's look at something here. (I am not defending killing in the name of God, i believe taking a life is wrong, that is one reason why i am a vegetarian). During the 300 years of the Spanish Inquisition roughly 2,000 + people were killed, that is about 6 people a year. Also, the Salem Witch Trials which 18 people were executed. That is backed up by scholarly evidence. I'll agree that that is 2018 people too many. Look at the atheist regimes though, in our lifetime, in the last century. The Communist and Nazi regimes, in five decades, they killed over 100 million people. That is only the first tear, look at the second at third tear. You have people like Pol Pot (killed 2 million). I know you can argue that the atheists didn't kill IN THE NAME of a god, yes that is true, but they did kill people in the name of an idea. The point of atheism is to create “a new man, a new utopia, liberated from tradition”.
            My belief in God isn't for some “wish fulfilment”. No one likes the problems of life, yes life is unfair, everyone has to face death. So yes i can see why atheists would believe that the afterlife is a fairytale.
            If the Bible isn't true then do you think that the writers would've made living for Jesus a whole lot easier?

            I wasn't trying to attack you (i know it is hard to understand tone's of voice online), i'm just offering my side of the debate. I respect your beliefs.

          • http://www.unindoctrinated.com/ God 2.0

            I will attempt to answer everything you have said.
            I do go about life as if god doesn't exist. It takes no effort to do so as no matter how many gods man imagines none have ever existed.
            If unicorns existed I would have no problem with that unless people committed heinous acts because they believed the Unicorn wished it.
            I would happily “let everyone believe want they want” if they lived a peaceful life, but one would have to be blind and ignorant to not see the damage done in the name of gods.
            The term “nutjob” is a common one for believers. Lifelong Atheists and ex-religious people that have seen the error of their ways and developed some sense of logic and what is rational always see that an adult human without diagnosed mental deficiencies believing in a god is no different to someone believing in Leprechauns or Santa and surely that is the realm of the “nutjob”. (not my description, I prefer 'Voluntarily disabled')
            You agree with unbelievers that religion is bad yet somehow think you can separate religion from god. Without religion there is no god for no one teaches the concept of a god.
            You say “God doesn't allow poverty in the world” If you believe god is all powerful everything that has ever happened or will ever happen only does so because he has allowed it.
            Adam and Eve did not choose to sin. It is not possible to choose to do wrong when you have never even heard of the concept. Them disobeying god would have had no more importance to them than you would place on disobeying the command of a drunk, insane homeless guy on the street. god gave them free will then told them not to do something before they even new of the concepts of right and wrong. Would you punish a baby that did something you didn't like when you knew full well that the child had no grasp of right and wrong. Courts of law use the inability to separate right from wrong as part of an insanity defense.
            You said “that is why he had to send Jesus”. Okay, why did he wait thousands of years and kill millions of people in the meantime instead of simply correcting the mistake of failing to teach them of right and wrong and consequences? The answer is simple. A god would be smarter than that. A man writing a book about a god would not necessarily be. How can someone believe in a god that isn't intelligent enough to make sure his works, words and ideas are accurately chronicled. That is moronic.
            “(that is scriptural, not just something i am making up)” You are quite correct, if it is scriptural. It is something someone else made up.
            Starting any sentence with “The Bible says…” holds no more weight than “It says in Green Eggs & Ham…” Your religion is wholly based on the writings of people not gods.
            Satan? Really? Even most branches of Christianity no longer believe in a literal satan. Even assuming his existence, why would an all powerful god tolerate an enemy or allow him to do anything of which he didn't approve. Satan is possibly the dumbest subject in the bible as the only possible reason for the existence of satan is god wishes it. Therefore god is totally responsible for anything satan does.
            “while God was preparing to send Jesus into the world.” Seriously? How long does it take a supreme being to prepare to send his son/self somewhere?
            “i'm a christian, not a Jew so i don't follow the laws of the OT.” So I gather you didn't like the bit where Jesus said “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:17-18) Like all Christians you pick what you like and leave what you don't.
            Perhaps you prefer where the apostle Paul wrote that God, “having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us…took it away, nailing it to the cross.” (Colossians 2:14) In another epistle, he wrote, “Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.” (Romans 10:4) Note that these things were said by Paul. I would have thought you would pay more credence to what was said by Jesus.
            You “don't see religion as the issue”. Nothing in human history has inspired as much evil and hatred as religion. If god doesn't want this he can change it. If he doesn't change it it's because he is either powerless to do so, in which case he hardly deserves to be called god, or he approves of it, in which case he is evil. There are no other options.
            It is possible to kill in the name of god. It is not possible to kill in the name of nothing. Surely you aren't so ignorant as to think Hitler was an atheist. He was a good Catholic, killing Jews in the name of Christianity. The Holy Roman Catholic Church has issued at least six specific instructions to kill all Jews over the last 1600 years. Yes Pol Pot and Stalin were Atheists but what they did had no bearing on their lack of religious beliefs it had to do with the fact they were bloody sociopaths. In the last 2000 years the only religious leaders killed in wars were killed for opposing invaders or those in power and religious leaders inspire the masses and no military campaigner wants a strong or inspired resistance. Their being killed wasn't to wipe out religion except perhaps in Tibet), not that that isn't a good enough motivation.
            You have either been misled regarding “The point of atheism” Atheism is nothing more than NOT believing in a god/creator/supreme being, nothing more. Modern atheism, what you see mostly on the 'net, what I engage in is more correctly termed anti-theism. That is we are against the very concept of belief or faith in the supernatural as we can see the horrendous harm it does and how backward it makes our species. Where is your quote from “a new man, a new utopia, liberated from tradition”? A new man, one liberated from old superstitions, would most certainly bring humanity closer to some form of utopia.
            “If the Bible isn't true” Have you ever heard the old line “I never lie. I sometimes lie”? It is quite obvious that this statement can not be correct as it is a blatant contradiction. The bible is full of contradictions and errors. Anything that is even partially doubtful is wholly doubtful. If those in charge of christianity wanted honesty the bible and every text it came from would be analysed and re-analysed to make sure there was no man made mistakes in gods holy book but that will never happen because those who believe what it says now would be forced to accept they had faith in something that was wrong and were misled whether intentionally or not. If the bible made any sort of sense their would be one church. The fact that the KKK, Pat Robertson, Glenn Beck and the Catholic Church all use the same guiding book shows quite clearly it is seriously flawed. If it is flawed at all, and it is, then all of it is in doubt.

            Simply put. There is a total lack of evidence of support all religious and other superstitious claims. There is overwhelming evidence that your beliefs are harmful to humanity, and just as an environmentalist doesn't want you to pollute I don't want you to pollute the minds of the masses with what is essentially rubbish, even if it is recycled rubbish.

            That's enough for one day.

          • bryan_85

            I'm not going to disagree with you that my beliefs have been harmful to humanity, you're totally right. Anyone that is “militant” about their beliefs won't do a bit of good for humanity. I just know that i am instructed to love continually and show hospitality to strangers (hebrews 13:1-3) and that is what i will continue to do. So then we shall both continue to “pollute the minds of the masses with…rubbish” because you are going to believe what you believe and i am going to believe what i believe. We will just have to wait and see when we die how it all turns out.

            love ya stranger.

            http://www.revival.tv

          • http://www.unindoctrinated.com/ God 2.0

            At least you picked the nice bits to follow. I'd prefer people to be non-religious but if a majority of religious persons picked the peaceful parts of their religions to follow I would have few objections to them believing. Unfortunately there are way too many people who love the vengeful god, people who say “god is love” then bomb a family planning clinic and the new ultra-right-wing, Palin loving nutjobs that actually want to bring about Armageddon. Fortunately these people are in the minority in Christianity but unfortunately they are aggressive and have a powerful lobby group. If the average Christian continues to sit back and allow their type to misrepresent your religion there will be major wars started by them as they have no respect for anyone other than their ilk.

            Be well.

          • mcgibbo

            You say logic tears Religion apart and appear to be using logic as an argument against the exsistence of God, are you aware that logic is a human construct and also by your reasoning the entire universe cannot possibly exsist as according to Quantum mechanics 1 thing can be in 2 places at once, this is not logical ergo the universe cannot possibly exsist, do you see how illogical that argument is?
            Also where is the evidence that Hitler was a good Catholic even now Historians cannot agree on Hitlers religious views, what I do know is that he used genetics evolution and philosophies of Niezsche to justify the Holocaust, as far as I am aware he didn't use Moses, Jesus and Paul although I could be wrong.

          • http://www.unindoctrinated.com/ God 2.0

            The concept of “1 thing can be in 2 places at once” (Wow! What an incredible over simplification of an amazingly complicated concept) is a working theory that only some people in the field agree is even plausible. There are many things that aren't logical but still exist, mostly human behaviors. Religion being probably the most obvious one. People who have children but don't care at all for the planet on which they will live. People who have more children than they can afford to feed. People who would vote for Palin. People who listen to Pat Robertson and yet consider themselves good christians. Very few people use logic in their daily thoughts, most run on base instincts and emotion. Very few people think critically about anything, mostly because their preachers, teachers and parents discourage thinking, preferring instead blind obedience.

            Hitler went to church, met with many high-ranking Catholics, conducted book-burnings at their request using their list of books, once said, and I'm paraphrasing as I couldn't be bothered to look it up again, “After the Jews, the atheists will be next”.
            He did understand Darwin's work, obviously something you don't, but evolution via natural selection has nothing to do with his eugenics program. Farmers have been using selective breeding for centuries to get cows that make more milk and/or beef, sheep with more high-quality wool. etcetera. Have you ever owned a dog? If it wasn't a Wolf, Coyote or Dingo it was the result of selective breeding by humans. He just went one morally corrupt step further and had his people try to breed Blue-eyed, Blonde Aryan people. This was where his misuse of his knowledge of genetics was used, it had nothing to do with the holocaust. He wasn't trying to get rid of Jews because he saw them as genetically inferior (which he also did), he was getting rid of them because they had been a problem to Christianity since its inception just as the Muslims want to rid Earth of all opponents, so did the Catholic Church and Judaism was their main opponent for a millennia.
            Nietzsche was a nut. Every age has prominent nuts. Look at Ann Coulter [shudders].

            Your opinions come from the lack of a decent education in those who taught you and consequently yourself. Something I don't blame you for. Your education system is beyond hope.

          • mcgibbo

            I just said 2 things in one place because I didn't want to write an essay in my lunch break, I don't understand where you get the idea that I'm ignorant about genetics and evolution from a short paragraph I can only assume I upset you and you felt the need to insult me I have read into evolution more than I have genetics admittedly. hitler was not a good Catholic have you heard of the encyclical on March 14, 1937 which the pope published. Have you heard of Edith Stein (teresa benidicta of the cross) executed in auschwitz she was beatified and canonised by Pope John Paul, or Father Maximilian Kolbe? The Nazi's tried to undermine the Church this does not seem like a good Catholic boy to me.
            You don't do your argument any favours by just calling someone stupid for pointing out inconsistencies in what you are saying.
            I'm not a Catholic by the way, I think I'd better state that before you infer anything else about me from a short passage on a forum. Strange really you can interpret my words to mean I'm stupid but you can't read the Bible for what it is hehe!

          • mcgibbo

            I never mentioned Darwin I said evolution. The way evolution was interpreted in Germany helped him that has got nothing to do with Darwin, there were other scientists you know.

          • mcgibbo

            There's an old jewish saying, I don't believe in that God that you don't believe in either. Atheists never seem to be able to understand faith and belief from a religious point of view, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins is just vitriloic hatred which never acknowledges a real Christian idea of God and just rants about some baby killing psychopath, it's a shame because his latest book The Greatest Show on Earth about evolution is quite beautiful in some parts. Religion has been responsible for massive atrocities but that's probably because it's been around for so long I'm sure if history had been different, and the Greeks had flourished into a fully fledged scientific society rather than turning to religion, people wouldn't and everybody would be saying science has had a chequered past.
            What is so bad about something that brings joy to people everyday and inspires people to do good deeds and love their fellow man as a brother? There's supposed to be around 2.1 billion people who are Christians even if half of those are lapsed that still means that God brings hope to over a billion people everyday they feel his love encompassing them every second of the day, when they screw up he understands and forgives them. He brings people from all over the world of different cultures, races, denominations together through the love of his son. As Christ said In my Fathers house are many mansions. He also said “And If thy right hand offend thee cut it off” what a terrible man! Solomon said “How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?” also in his song”Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins. Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bath-rabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.”
            There is so much beauty in the bible to just reduce it to a tool of oppression and hatred is to do it a vast injustice and does nothing but make Atheists look like ignorant bigots, I'm sorry but there I said it!

  • Gregory

    You didn't get raptured because you dress like a female prostitute.

  • An_Other_Jenn

    This is definitely one of the more sadistic and amusing things I've seen in quite a while. I would imagine more proselytizing follows the reveal that is just a hidden camera show and the mark wasn't actually 'left behind'?

  • nameless

    this is evil but in a good way.dumb asses

  • GoodDoktorBad

    Wow, With friends like these, who needs enemies?
    It seems that this girl is very afraid to be left alone, so she will probably go on and take abuse from her so called friends, because to stand alone is obviously much too frightening for her. I feel for her, but her “friends” disgust me…….

    • Hadrian999

      somebody needs to toughen that girl up
      better to have your friends show you when you are being a retard than strangers who are out to hurt you.

      • GoodDoktorBad

        Ah, pleasant and predictable as always….
        Hit me, beat me, teach me Love? LOL

        • Hadrian999

          world is a rough place, if a little joke has her in tears she won't be able to cope if anything actually bad happens being coddled won't do her any good when she has to step out into grown up land

  • ebwolf

    Ha-Ha! Perfect video for a Sunday afternoon.
    You've brightened this heretic's day.
    Thanks, Disinfo.

  • ronnie dobbs

    The Romans had the right idea.

    • SMonarch

      yea like taking a religion they massacred and perverting it celebrating “catholic” holidays that are really about having gay orgies in the streets

  • notamember

    This would be pretty funny if it wasn't for the fact that millions of people actually believe in this stuff. Wasting your life worrying about a fairytale in the sky isn't funny. It's sad.

  • malatesting123

    Holy shit…wouldnt it be great if the Rapture happened, and God or whoever took those crazy fuckers off to wherever the hell he hangs out, ie. the fuck off our planet. That would be gold. In fact, If satan were then to take things over, and he was anything like Lucifer from the comic, i think the rest of us wouldnt be doing so bad.
    But since that wont happen I think the crazies should just Rapture themselves, if you get my drift.

    • voxmagi

      We could only wish!!! Remember the part where, after the Rapture and Revelations theres a thousand years of peace ??

      It's because all the whackjobs and Jesus-crispies are FINALLY GONE!!! Theres no way we could be lucky enough for this crap to come true :-)

      • SMonarch

        the ones who are raptured serve as priests and have a 1000 yrs of peace…the rest turn back into the apes they think they evolved from and serve them dinner

    • bryan_85

      As a christian i am sorry if “christian” has caused you to think of us all as “crazies”. I assure you we all aren't like that. Some of us are still nice people that hold no prejudices for non-believers. Those crazy christians get on my nerves too. I like the qoute “live the word and if necessary preach the word” (paraphrased).

  • oman28

    Yeah! Bring it on and the rest of us can have one hell of a party

  • drbalogne

    Ok…
    First of all, If these douches actually believe in this “Rapture” the “prank” is in incredibly poor taste, along the lines of ,'Hey! I just killed your entire family!
    Nah, just joshin'. I guess it's it's that famous christian sense of humour.

    Secondly, you can not seriously believe that woman is actually pranked at all. Have you ever TRIED to walk into a cream pie? Well now you know what it looks like.The whole thing is thin and as contrived as a Bob Larson exorcism.

    Thirdly, God sucks to leave people to ever-lasting pain because they didn't kiss his ass just right. I mean,.. if you believe.

    • bryan_85

      It has nothing to do with kissing his butt “just right”, it has to do with a way of life, how we live, if we mirror Christs' image or not. Also, as a believer myself, it has to with us accepting Jesus into our lives. I do agree that this prank was in poor taste though.

  • Mork

    Hate to burst everyone's bubble but this girl is an actress. Where is this coffeeshop supposedly? An office breakroom?

    Let's get real people, this is as fake as it comes.

  • James_Smith

    This just shows how totally stupid and gullible theists are. Anyone that can believe in any of the religion scam obviously doesn't have any working intelligence so scamming them with something like this is too easy.

    Personally, I think a rapture would be a good thing. It would get rid of all these ignorant theists and leave the world a far better place.

    • 3lifish

      Clearly you are right. I mean anyone who believe in Christianity must be an idiot. Especially when they rationalize the universe; Einstein proved the relativity of space and time which shows that time had to bagin at the same time as space. if both have always existed we could never come to this point in time lest an eternity be crossed: scientificly impossible. Entropy also proves that because the diminishing amount of energy in the universe would, also, already have run out over the course of eternity crossed. they didn't bring themselves into existence, so where did space and time come from? obviously there is an uncaused cause (something intelligent existing outside both time and space) had to have formed them. No religion has any explination for this. most rligious texts say that the world itself is flat and is riding on the back of some various animal and the bible says that the world is “suspended in nothing (space)” and is sphereical; that was written several hundred years before it was proven. of course none of that is true. Proving that futher, all religious texts are written by one man and are inconsistent, and the bible was written by 44 different men over the course of 1600 years but then it is entirely consistent throughout. but as we both know no two humans can agree on the topic of religion, so the bible must have one author and have been dictated/inspired, but who could exist for 1600 years let alone eternity. of course polytheism is irrational because once again two beings can't agree on religion and two or more powerful beings would have destroyed the universe in their disagreements. even further all religions only have one key witness ( Islam had mohammed, mormons had joseph smith,catholics had constantine ect.) but then the main “god” character of the jews and the christians had many many witnesses, but that makes no nevermind. seriously only idiots like the scientist with phd's from oxford, yale, and cambridge would believe in christianity. Point being, clearly people who believe, in the logic that the universe had to be created as scientifically proven by einstein, and that the world is round and suspended in space, and that the bible (a non-scientific compilation of books) has many scientific proofs, and are backed by a tri-doctoral scientist who got double 800 on his SAT's, are dilusional. There is absolutely no evidence for any god, but then again i am also a mere human being and can not possibly know all the evidences for or against god. So, i guess maybe if we are going to knock the morons we should have our logic and facts in order so we don't sound like the fools.

      • bryan_85

        What verse in the Bible says that the “world is suspended in nothing(space)”? What religious texts say “the world is flat”? It was actually written by 40 authors over 1,500 years in three languages from three continents. The Bible is two religious texts combined, the old testement (the torah) and the new testement (christianity), it couldn't have been written by just one guy.
        Am i an idiot if i think that science and christianity complement each other?

        • 3lifish

          You know what your right. About 40 men PENNED the words of the Bible over the course of 1600 years, and inspired by the Living Word who existed beyond all 1600 of the years. Yes, the Bible happens to be consistent all through out, if you can name a contradiction i would be happy to hear/read it. Two testiments: Old containing 39 books, and the New 27 book totalling 66. Correct, three languages Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. Job 26:7 He strecheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Greeks believed the world to be carried on the back of Atlas and flat, Islam: flat earth and set on pillars, orientals believed it to ride on the back of a great spider. Would you like to hear more scientific evidences in the Bible? To your last Question, Clearly, No, it would be far from idiotic to believe that science and Christianity are complimentary. Don't get me wrong; i can by no means say this proves christianity, but i can easily say that it creates strong evidence for it.

          • bryan_85

            So were you saying that science does create evidence for Christianity?
            Also, i wasn't trying to say that you were wrong for saying that the earth is suspended upon nothing, i just wanted to see if you could back it up. I only did that because when i talk to people online they want to shoot their mouths off about things but then don't want to back it up. You're interesting to talk to :)

          • 3lifish

            I'm saying that science creates evidence for the need of an intelligent being to create. Christianity is the only deity beliving faith that backs up if not walks hand-in-hand with observable scientific proofs and probabilities. I also have the same problem with people who shoot off their mouths without the ability to back it up. I refuse to be one of those people. I've done a lot of research and talked to a lot of people. I have found the there are many reasons why people reject Christianity: 1. the are ingrained with a religion 2. they don't care 3. they don't care to reseach it and find the pure logic in it 4 they think it's too popular and want to go against the grain when in fact christianity then judeism are the most unpopular 5 something bad happened in their life and instead of trying to see what good will come out of it or instead of getting mad at God they choose to deny him all together 6 a christian has said something unbiblical and turned the person off 7 a christian has said something true (the existence of hell) and the person doesnt want to believe it 8 a christian has been a bad example or people claiming to be christian (the catholic church) has done something heinous in the past or present 9 lastly and in the case of today's youth they want to be just like their favorite moviestar or band member fashioning their beliefs, political views, and even their hairstyles after them. I say SEEK truth and peace with all your heart, mind and energy, not being antagonistic of anything but challenging everything, and you will find it.

            Thank you for the compliment. It's nice to talk to someone who is willing to hear different points of view then that of his own.

        • notamember

          yes

      • Andrew

        The Bible is not consistent, as anyone who has read it with anything more than blind faith knows.

        • 3lifish

          I take it you have read the entire Bible with full knowledge of the contexts inwhich they were written then? Wow, that is truely remarkable! I can't even say that. By that very comment you must be either the wisest person on earth having all knowledge of the universe or making one of the poorest, most ignorant stawman arguements i have encountered in a long time. I beg you give me the outlook of an atheist's world view or even and evolutionist's; in all fairness would that not also be mere “blind faith,” or in the case of Agnostics: simple indecision without intent to seek truth, whatever it may be. So, to reitterate what i said in my first post, if you're going make such a comment try to have the knowledge to back your words please. I don't care even if it's a tragic, lame, flying spagetti monster of an argument, but at least i could give you the respect of at least trying.

          • Andrew

            One doesn't need to have knowledge of all the universe or be the wisest man ever to say the Bible has inconsistencies, because the Bible is less than the entire universe and is not the wisest book ever written.

            I can name two contradictions right off the top of my head. First, each of the Gospels (except Mark) and Acts portray Jesus as ascending to heaven in different places. Second, and more importantly because it concerns theology, compare what James (not God) wrote about faith vs. works to what Paul (not God) wrote. Anyone who reads those passages without the presuppostion that the words come directly from God's “mouth” or something can easily see it's two human beings arguing opposite viewpoints. Seriously, trying to conceive of the Bible's texts as inerrant and literal takes more interpretation and twisting of words from their correct meanings than any liberal Christian's reading. If you tell me that “Turn the other cheek” is consistent with “An eye for an eye,” then I can't take your religious views seriously.

            I'm not saying there is no God, I'm saying the Bible isn't the word of God.

            Also, belief in evolution dosn't take blind faith at all: there's plenty evidence of it, and most of it is common sense. Heredity proves “macro-evolution” just as the existence of inches proves the existence of miles. If you don't even see that, then I can't take any of your views seriously.

          • 3lifish

            Ok now i can give the respect for TRYING. However, your feeble arguments fall way short. The faith and works doctrines of Paul and James are easily and without distortion of words consistent, but it's ok many people find contradictions when they compare single verses. On the other hand if they take the entire context they may see the similarity. Paul preached the faith in the grace of God through the death and resurrection of Christ for the penalty of man's sin as did James; however, James took it further. James preached that the man who is justified should then live by the faith to which he adhears. He preached that a justified man can not remain the same as he was before he accepted Christ; that he should learn and desire to walk in the manner of Christ. “Faith without works is dead/vain” what is said there is was the man who does not walk in the manner of Christ sincere in faith in the first place.

            Eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth and turn the other cheek are different contexts. the first was part of the mosaic law concerning justice; the latter was part of the new covenant concerning forgivness. As the Bible teaches God is both just and forgiving/loving. Furthermore, the point of the mosaiclaw was to show humanity that no man can live a righteouss life fully by the law, and that all men are wicked and sinful by nature and are in need of a savior. Once again to further this point when the pharesees wanted to stone the woman who was caught in adaultry Christ said let he who is without sin cast the first stone, so, therefore, all men deserve to die. An example, a man may kill someone and be remorseful and sorry, but the consequences of his actions are still carried out.

            Now on the subject of evolution. Micro-evolution (adaptation) has evidence; for example humanity has addaped to a technological world. The human body has adapted to the hormones we inject into the animals and plants that we consume; hence the average human today is taller than the average human 2000 years ago. Yet, even secular scientists agree the Macro-evolution (the changing of one spesies into another) has no conclusive evidence. The fossil record has nothing, and the bacterrial flagellum renders it impossible 10,000 times over. Also according to the flagellum, if it were possible it would take over a trillion years for even the simplest organism to change into another let alone the entire body of an animal. Yeah, heredity is a matter of micro- not macro-evolution.

            So, yeah research is fun and rewarding; especially when you research both sides, as you have showed that you do the same. However, when reseaching the Bible you also need to understand the time, place, and circumstances which is the context. James was preaching to people who “had the faith” but yet continued to live a lifestyle in accordance to however they wanted; whatever made them feel good because they thought hey i have the faith thats good enough. Paul was preaching to the opposite; people who thought they had to work their way to heaven and that Christ's death and resurrection was not enough.

            So, thank you for your “evidences,” i truely respect you for offering your viewpoints. However, the Bible when taken in context remains consistent, and ,clearly my explinations did not skew or twist any words. If you can't see that then i cant take any of your views seriously.

          • 3lifish

            Also, you are right, if a man had all the knowledge of the the universe he would not make statements like the Bible is inconsistent and that it is not the wisest book ever written because he would know that those are Absolute statements. he would likely know that makeing absolute statements wold show foolishness and would destroy his credability.

            i don't don't have all the knowledge of the world, and yet i try not to make those types of statements.

            still i personally believe that the Bible is absolutely true, but still that is just me, and i have come to that conclusion through the laws of deduction, logic and yes faith.

          • Andrew

            I didn't write that a man with all knowledge of the universe would not say the Bible was inconsistent, and you should know that. Twisting my words to mean the opposite of what I actually wrote is an indication of either a lack of intelligence or a lack of intellectual honesty. I cannot respect it and will not argue with someone who does it. Write whatever you want from here, but one less person is reading it.

          • Andrew

            You need to do some more research on evolution, as you don't quite understand what a species or speciation is. Specifically, look up the term “ring species.” “Macro-evolution” is just an arbitrary distinction.

            If you want to argue for God's fingerprints in the universe, the “Big Bang” and the fact that molecules seem to be designed to evolve into life because scientists seem to be finding organic compounds and microorganisms everywhere are the ways to go about it. Genesis' two inconsistent accounts are obviously symbolic poetry, not history, and no reason to disregard scientific evidence.

          • 3lifish

            i didn't say that's what you would say a wise man would say. i was merely pointing out your foolishness in making absolute statements. you're right there is no reason to disregard scientific evidence. as you said common sense. For example, entropy (energy wearing down) secualr scientists have already found that the earth is slowing down in rotation. At the rate at with it is slowing down lets go back 64 million year and i'll tell you how the dinosaurs went extinct. They got thrown off the earth because gravity could not have held them down. wow yet another inconsistency in the evolutionary theory. How about the dating methods, how old is a rock? such and such years old… how do you know? because it has this fossil in it. how old is the fossil? such and such years old… how dod you know? because it was in this rock. That is evolution at its finest. How about carbon dateing? I found it staggering when a petrified severed foot was found in the arizona dessert and carbon dated to be over 10,000 years old; the question is how was it then that it petrified in a boot that was only manufatured since the 1920's? and the big bang has no scientific evidence because for it to be scientific it has to be observable.

            Yet again you have made absolute statement about the book of Genesis have have onceagain avoided to provide any legitimate evidences or even not so legitimate ones as has been your record thus far.

          • Tuna Ghost

            “and the big bang has no scientific evidence because for it to be scientific it has to be observable”.

            Um, false. Completely not true. Forgetting for a moment that the word “scientific” is so vague as to be near useless, several “scientific” lawsnand events are not directly obervable, only derivable.

            Your comments re: evolution are completely inaccurate. You have provided no citations for any of the cases you mention. Judging by your post, and by all means correct me if I'm off-base here, you don't seem to have a strong grasp of basic scientific principles.

            As for Genesis, there are plainly two creation myths. Genesis 1:1–2:3 and then a different story taking place at 2:4–2:25. For a long time people have attempted to explain the discrepancies as two parts of the same story, but evidence has been mounting for a long time that they are in fact two seperate stories. Why this should matter, though, is a mystery; if you're taking the Bible as a literal history you're going to run into far more severe logical problems than this.

          • 3lifish

            Well, plainly you don't seem to have a strong grasp of biblical priciples. The bible is not that hard to understand. And yes i have a grasp of basic scientific priciples. Those were actually the most interesting papers i have written. However i didn't realize i was writing a disertation so i was unaware i had to cite.

            Also, because you feel it is appropriate to call me illogical because i believe in what is logical via research, you are clearly too ignorant for me to waste my time on. Me on the other hand have taken what you imagine to be true, analyzed it, and have thru the laws of deduction and a logical thought process found it to be not plausible, but at least i was smart enough to consider it.

      • SMonarch

        Einstein believed in a force of creativity higher then man…if science doesn't support that god or heaven doesn't exist lets look at quantum physics…if Carl Sagan can bable on about a dimension we cannot see and how it imprints in our dimension i don't know what screams god any more then that. i mean these guys go on and on about a place we cant see that exist in our time but speak venom to the ones that say god. gimme a break atheists need to go find a good place to hang their egos

        • Spooky

          Einstein didn't want to take his theories to their inevitable conclusion because he believed a universe without a creator was simply too messy, too “unpretty”, not to exist, but to admit to. And you know they say the truth is ugly sometimes…

      • Spooky

        nothing is uncaused, the universe expands then collapses in upon itself to form a new singularity, once everything is in place in the singularity it reaches critical mass and sprays outward again. Assuming that this singularity is the origin of everything and all energy, this particle is the sum and propagator of all creation, existence exists because it is. existence can therefore be considered to be god, not even your god can exist without “is” if it is separate and distinct from the concept, but to do that, “is” has to exist first, and if that is the case… the state of being is the closest thing to god one can ever hope to witness, the act of rational thought its culminating achievement, which is not to say there can't possibly be a more powerful version of us. i.e. an extraplanar being capable of rational thought that said “I think today, I'll write a book”, regardless- if it is am opponent of free will, it is not the genesis for existence, because the concept of is has no will, but must be in place for anything else to form. So following that line of logic it is easy to say; god is not god, god is a liar and a kid with an ant farm. Only life is truly divine.

        • 3lifish

          If nothing is uncaused than what Caused the ever expanding and collapsing universe? and what caused what cause that? Nice try though.

    • SMonarch

      yea lets leave the world in the hands of the egos who are not willing to sometimes allow things to be in another's hands. they can all battle each other on who's right.

  • Jade Margery

    You know, if it were non-believers doing this, christians would be in an uproar. There's a delightfully irony to watch a group of idiots terrorize their own instead of other people for a change.

    That said, this is obviously fake and not even that funny. WTF stumbleupon, why have you failed me in my hour of need?

  • http://www.myspace.com/caramelcorpse Schweí K. Übersteigen

    It makes me so incredibly disgusted.. The un-real level of complete ridiculous ignorance that people still have till this day! Actually believing in such socially-primitive medieval rubbish like “The rapture”! And that an invisible man created everything with magic!!… Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people..

    • Spooky

      to be fair the Rapture was an interpretation of the bible back in the 18th century specific to a particular preacher, though his name escapes me at the moment. Can't blame the medieval church for everything, there have been plenty of religious fanatics and deluded nutjobs since.

      • http://www.myspace.com/caramelcorpse Schweí K. Übersteigen

        True.

  • mcgibbo

    I just think it's sick to reduce someone to tears for the sake of a “Joke”, it's just not funny. What makes it worse is that it's Christians doing it, you'd think them of all people should know better. It's not surprising though we are after all only human and imperfect. Reading some of the comments left it seems people are quite happy to bash Christians without actually getting to know them as people, yeah we've got some strange ideas but so has everyone else. Science hasn't got a great track record, “inspiring” atrocities such as the Holocaust. I don't think Humanism or Atheism are any better than Christianity, that's not to say they are worse, all movements have incredible people who can move people to do incredible things all people have faith in one thing or another. Idiots like the people who played this trick on someone also exsist in all walks of life, people that like to play on peoples gullibility, I find it repugnant, the fact that the women believed it so readily though makes me wonder whether the entire thing was just a set up, can anybody actually be that stupid? Surely if something like the rapture happened you at least hear a faint popping sound or something, what happened to her friend who had called her and needed to talk to her in private? Where was this cafe? In the middle of a cave where nobody could possibly walk past or into.
    I can't imagine what type of Christian would find it funny no doubt they exsist though.

  • Crazy Irish Dan

    I was traveling through Misery – er, Meh-zurr-uh, or however you're supposed to upchuck it – and I actually came across these two bible camp t-shirt wearing mutants. I'm just getting some (horrible) coffee in a gas station when I hear this –

    “I'll see you at Church later. If you don't see me, I just might have raptured – ooh, but you'd be there too!”

    I was actually looking for cameras. Maybe it's just a few years too many in LA, but I totally expected that to be a put-on. But no, 'tis just your average American. *shudder*

  • LOL

    I cant wait for the rapture. Thats the day where god takes all the religious fanatics out of my life so that the world will finally have peace.

  • Annie Mosienko

    sure she's an idiot for believing this stuff – but this was unbelievably cruel! i was crying for her – imagine what she was feeling! so this is how “christian” people treat their friends?

  • Adaptor

    Isn't this unethical? They are causing distress to someone who is clearly mentally unstable. Oh wait, it's christianity, so it's completely normal to think that an omnipotent being exists that just took all your friends and left you behind sobbing – knowing all hell is going to break loose around you – just because you are a bad servant.

  • justagirl

    christian humor is so lame… except for James_Smith “go rapture yourself”. that was pretty funny.

  • Chlod

    First of all: catholics like myself, don't believe in the rapture. Secondly: I'm sick and tired of this 'religion is the cause of all wars' crap which seems to be very popular with atheists who never picked up a history book, or never left their basement. There's indeed a problem with the statement above: it's jabberwock. Consider all the violent secular revolutions from the 18th and 19th centuries, and consider the violent twentieth century as a whole, and you'll find that secular regimes caused more death and agony in the last 100 years than religious regimes did since the dawn of time. Even now wars are being waged in Iraq and Afghanistan for 'liberal democracy' – for the secularization of the islamic world. Now, I won't say that 'atheism' is the cause of all wars, in fact, wars have everything to do with geopolitics, as is the case between Jews and Arabs – religion there merely provides the tribal lines of division, but it's not a war over religious truth – … however, these factoids do render the 'blame it all on religion' conclusion invalid.

    I like reading articles on this website nonetheless, even though they're always from a very progressive and atheist point of view which I don't share – but that's cool.

    • mcgibbo

      Funny that's not what God 2.0 tried to tell me about wars of the 20th century here, he claimed Hitler was a good Catholic, I don't believe him. I agree with you apart from being Catholic myself, the past few centuries have been the most violent, I don't understand why science and religion have become so polarized it's not as if the early Christians such as St Augustine believed in the literal interpretation of the creation story. He believed everything was created in an instant and the days were just a way of expressing a passage of time incomprehensible to man, or about 10,000 years he said. He believed some things were created whole and others where their potential was within them, that could almost be taken as an early grasp at the evolutionary theory.

      It's a complete joke how these atheists lump all Christians together as mindless buffoons that would believe the sky was green if the right reverend pastor sauce so and so said so. I don't think atheists are anymore liberal than anyone else. At the end of the day there's good and bad people everywhere, at least that's what Jesus tells me.

  • Zoser23

    That was pretty funny. Christians did that? Wow, that's the kind of thing I'd expect from Satanists or Discordians, but not Christians….eh, it must be the end times.

  • Jogocar

    These rapture robots are scary. Preterism is the way to view the end times, not dispensationalism. No Rapture . No future second coming of Christ. No end of planet Earth.

    Eccl. 1:4 ” Generations come and generations go , but the earth remains forever.”

    John 17:15 Jesus prayed , ” I pray that you not take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.”

    Rev.21:3 ” Now the kingdom of God is with men.

  • Jogocar

    These rapture robots are scary. Preterism is the way to view the end times, not dispensationalism. No Rapture . No future second coming of Christ. No end of planet Earth.

    Eccl. 1:4 ” Generations come and generations go , but the earth remains forever.”

    John 17:15 Jesus prayed , ” I pray that you not take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.”

    Rev.21:3 ” Now the kingdom of God is with men.

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