• Tuna Ghost

    Some Religious People Are Hypocrites!

    In other news, scientists are reporting that this strange liquid known as water is rather wet

    • nono

      please post your sources on this delusional “water is wet” BS.

  • iphlogiston

    Christians: Jesus would slap the ever-loving shit out of you. Really.

  • Chaungka

    Point well taken about humans in general not living up to the expectations of their ideology, or path. But from personal experience, my parents took me to church every sunday until I was 15, and we never dressed in expensive clothes or road in an expensive car. Granted we weren't homeless, but I fail to see the hypocrasy in that. If we were homeless would we be decent christians then? I'm not really a christian now, but I'm not sure why everyone is picking on them, I have muslim friends who commit sins against their faith. Hypocrasy is almost a trait of human nature, it's not just for the Christians, (although I'll admit I don't think Jesus would be happy with the people who call themselves Christians).

    • 5by5

      What I don't get is why people need to go to church every week. Christianity has one of the simplest stories ever told. You hear it once, you get it, you move on. Why the need for the repeat visits? Could it be the confusing book that relentlessly contradicts itself? Maybe that's where the problem is.

      It always used to crack me up when a Christian would approach a non-believer with the opening, “Have you heard the good news about Christ?” Well duh. You can't get away from it! You're in every motel in America and one literally hundreds of religious television stations broadcasting 24/7/365. It's all you people have been talking about for 2,000 years! EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. Some of us just don't buy it.

      • Anuu

        Actually each week there is a different story (or section of the bible) each week. The section is read, and then there is often an explanation that goes along with it. It's probably the only way most christians “read” the bible, since many have ADD just like the rest of us. I would say the only parts that contridict eachother are the rules of Leviticus (old testament, or torah) and the word of Jesus (new testament). Jesus basically said the rules of Leviticus no longer apply. Also Christians contridict themselves by essetinatially not following clear guidelines like not having premartial sex ( probably no christian follows this one). Regarding the christians who obnoxiousloy ask you if “you've heard of christ?”, well those christians generally belong to smaller churchs and feel that even mainstream christians are unaware of christ (or their interruprtation of christ).

        • Actually has read his Bible

          Sorry Anuu, but you're completely wrong. Jesus basically said the rules of Leviticus absolutely apply. I will paraphrase and I will not cite chapter and verse, but I believe that they are from the book of Matthew, or maybe Mark. They're all the same to me.

          “I come not to abolish the old law, but to fufill it.” and
          “Sooner will all of Heaven and Creation fall away than will one iota of the old law.”

          • Manny Furious

            Those quotes are somewhat out of context. Since you “actually read the bible” you would know that the “covenants” take precedence over any “laws.” Jesus' new covenant was convened with his “Sermon on the Mount”. Nowhere in the old testament is it said that “The Meek shall inherit the earth” or “Righteous are the peacemakers”, etc.

            Also, assuming you're not of the opinion that “God” wrote the good book, then you would also realize that many quotes were attributed to Jesus that aren't consistent with the rest of his teachings. This is because people were trying to convince the Jews that Jesus really was the messiah, fulfilling prophecy, not revolting against it. These are the same people who came up with this odd idea that he was born of a virgin and was god, but not really god, and whose actual physical body was resurrected and rose to heaven without burning up in Earth's atmosphere…..

          • tonyviner

            I wonder if you guys will argue about The Lord of the Rings next. They are basically the same.

          • Tuna Ghost

            In the sense that there is a large body of writing, a couple wizards, and a semi-easy-follow-narrative (if you bother to read all of it, which is no small feat), and various people re-interpreting it as the years press on, then yes this is an accurate assessment. However, I don't think you can claim that the Lord of the Rings trilogy has had quite the societal impact that the gospels have.

          • tonyviner

            I just meant the allegorical aspects of both books.

      • Word Eater

        Because there is a call to fellowship so you don't get any dangerous ideas on your own.

        • tonyviner

          Dangerous ideas never hurt anyone.

      • Tuna Ghost

        Well it comes from the times when nobody was literate so the priests would have to read bits and pieces every week.

      • Tuna Ghost

        Well, also because of the whole jewish roots thing, you know the Sabbath and all that.

        “Have you heard the good news?” is an easy question to field, just wink and say “Yup” and go on your way. Or you can stick your tongue between your two fingers and simulate cunnilingus, which is also a pretty good conversation stopper.

    • philra

      Hmm, three spelling mistakes. Three more and you'd definitely be a Christian. Three less and you'd be an atheist.

  • E.B. Wolf

    Just goes to illustrate: Nobody thinks the (insert sacred text here) means what it says. They always think it says what they mean.

  • Bdox

    You should say, “… where they pay someone to tell them how to be more like jesus.”

  • Herbert

    Or, how some churches are tens of times more expensive than the average home. Here in Arizona, there was controversy over a multi-million dollar Mormon church to be built, despite this rough economy. One of the things supporters of the build were going for was a $500,000 stained glass window.

    $500,000 for some pretty colors? What a waste of money. Imagine if that money went to good use for people, while still staying within the Christian ideal, like with the Salvation Army. I just LOVE how money is being spent on religion. Especially when it only applies to a select group of people.

  • Eightbyte

    Where the hell are half of you pulling half this shit from? Christians are not this evil hypocritical group you depict them as, they're humans, just like you. They try to live for a higher calling and when they fail, you judge them as though you're the one on the higher seat. Just sayin'

  • johnnynnj

    I'm a Christian. I drive every week to Church where I worship God through prayer, praise, song, communion, fellowship with my brethren, teaching kids in Sunday School, and learning from the priest's sermon. The rest of the week I strive to live the ideals upheld in that worship. I spend a good amount of the rest of the week in service to others (aside from my paid job) who are less fortunate and who need the help. I work with the sick, elderly, homeless shelters, and other needy groups.

    And, in the end, because admittedly there are hypocritical Christians, I go online and read something like the above which blankets Christians and includes me as a “hypocrite” as described, and I read so many other “open-minded” people who presumably care so much about the evils of hypocrisy that they apparently are NEVER hypocrites, not even while they ridicule and deride Christians and Christianity (yeah right). Good job, you “open-minded, non-hypocritial” people.

    • GoodDoktorBad

      When we talk of Christians being hypocrites its because they supposedly have a set of “rules to live by” set forth by God, Jesus etc. in the bible. People often purport to be Christians but behave more like something rather deviant of those “God given” morals. I think people are more intolerant of hypocritical christians because Christians behave as if they have the last word on morals and a direct link to the source of that authority (God), then perform patently non-christian acts in the name of “God”.

      I'm sorry, but Christians get more flack for hypocrisy because they are supposed to know better.

      I had a conversation with a Baptist friend at work. I was telling him that I don't consider myself a Christian.
      He gave me the odd reply that he thought that I was more christian than most Christians he knows. Frankly, I didn't know whether to feel insulted or complimented. Here I am, trying and failing often enough to be some semblence of a “good person”, just like everybody else more or less, so I don't like wearing labels that peg me as this or that. It's just less hypocritical in my view. I also know that some hypocrisy and irony just can't be avoided.

      You'd think that you would be more pissed off about your own screwed up fellow “Christians in name only” brethren than to come here and complain on a site known for its alternate, not necessarily christian attitudes.
      “Abandon all hope ye who enter here”
      I just think your preaching to the wrong choir, your wayward christian flock needs your counsel a bit more.
      Let god take care of the hypocrites here at disinfo….

    • moondancerbrs

      religion is nothing but a mythology stolen from many mythological figures, and texts from the past(mainly egyptian). that is why you find so many blanket phrases out there…many people see christianity for what it is, grown adults who talk to imaginary friends are scary. furthermore, Religion is really selfcentered with a large ego, claiming to be humble and meek. and that is delusional….!!!!

      • Tuna Ghost

        Wow that is one of the worst definitions of religion I have ever heard on Disinfo, and there are literally hundreds of shitty definitions of religion on Disinfo. How you've managed to avoid anything even remotely meaningful or factual is, even by the standards of this place, pretty amazing.

      • Tuna Ghost

        aw crap if English isn't your first language, sorry about all of that. It's entirely possible that your nonsense is only such because of a weak grasp of the language.

    • voxmagi

      I think the major problem you're running into is an evangelical predisposition to look outside your church for problems…the rest of us keep pointing you back in. Save the lectures here for the pulpit Sunday, muzzle the maniacs that loudly speak on your behalf, but who not only fail to represent Christ, but possibly the human race as well.

      We grow ever sicker of them, and even though many of us know a few decent devout people of faith, those aren't the people shifting politics to the fringe and threatening to make legal changes to the way the rest of us live. Christianity, Islam, Judaism what have you…any of them could use some peaceful honest souls who live what they preach or profess…but those people are the meek, the quiet, the good. What the vast host out here is weary of is not you…but your peers…and you know who they are.

      Cast the merchants out of your temples, the televangelists and lobbyists, find leaders who exemplify Christ…instead of people who transform the word into a reason for rolled eyes and vague disgust. Pander publicly to people's love and compassion…not their fear and hatred. Let kindness be louder than the hate of false prophets…and someday you'll have a lot less to feel wounded by, when the world isn't sickened and disgusted by hypocrisy.

      And you may not understand, living inside the bubble of the faithful…but for those who choose a different path, we live daily with the rights due to us as citizens subject to attack and question, both outside our home and inside. You may feel that your faith is under attack, but its pure spin by panic mongering frauds passing as leadership. You will always be free to be a Christian in home and at church…other faiths face tests just to accomplish that much.

      Where you are not welcome is where we have to share public space, be it mandatory prayers shoved into our schools, or gaudy pathetic displays on public property instead of private property, or laws based on your leadership's warped beliefs that intrudes into everyone else's public and private life. We reject that tyranny for what is, a power grab, plain and simple and as old as time itself.

      Fight that alongside us, and you will find friends and converts along the way, in every place you go. Silently stand by while your leadership slowly devolves into mania…and you might as well get used to disdain and eventual irrelevance.

  • evrythinitypeistaken

    i think most of you, and most christians, have missed the point. the purpose of Jesus' sacrifice was to liberate us from 'law'. no human being can ever live up to divine standards; hence all this talk of 'hypocrisy', but we no longer need to because Jesus did. so it's not about doing 'good deeds'; if it was, as GoodDoktorBad pointed out, someone who doesn't believe in God could act just as, if not more, 'christian'. every human being is capable of decency including followers of Islam/Hinduism etc.; so how would christians distinguish themselves? christianity is a narrow path;. its about loving God more then yourself, to the extent that if he told you to do something controversial or even traditionally 'immoral' (such as say, sacrifice your son) you would. morality is a man-made thing, God won't judge us by man-made standards.

    • dudeonthesun

      what is your point here? as i am confused in your statement.. liberate us from law? true it is about loving God, yet it is also reflecting our change through our actions and our behaviors, towards other humans…

      • evrythinitypeistaken

        but what does that even mean? what is a good deed??? even the bible contradicts itself because 'good' is such a vague and simultaneously absolute concept. and as i have said, what happens to someone who doesnt believe in God but spends their whole life doing 'good' for no reason? other then because hes a nice person???? surely they should go to heaven!!! then say, a prostitute who prays???? this would also make access to heaven completely dependant on situation and personality. for example sex; some people have no interest in pre-marital sex not only because of their personal religious convictions but because their parents have taught them this, or because they just aren't overtly sexualised. other people are just horny all the time, or have had other examples set for them. im not condoning pre-marital sex, but merely pointing out that simply 'doing good' is not much of a fair measure. it is more subjective then i think many christians would like to admit, to the detriment of our own understanding.

        at the same time, i agree with you- doing good is how we show bring love to 'life'. but I'm simply arguing that people aren't moral or do 'good' because its the right thing to do- and that makes them some how worthy enough to get into Heaven- but because God tells them to. its not about being right or wrong, its about being obedient; the heart of Christianity doesnt lie in righteousness but in humility.

        morality has got little to do with God, i help other people because i know i should as a living human being that is capable of empathy and would like to be treated respectfully in return, not because i needed God to tell me to. i think when people act like God is the only reason to be good, we give credence to athiest's arguments that christians are somehow morally weak, or allow religious fundamentalists to stop acting from their hearts and wage some sort of moral crusade against the world.

        my reference to a 'law' was about the old testament, in which people gained access to heaven by living by certain laws which sometimes seem a bit ridiculous.

        • dudeonthesun

          ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh yess ! i thought i could do all the sin i wanted too, and work my way to heaven,,,, as we have seen this behavior by some of the so called men of God that are wolves in sheeps clothing,, and some of the flock has been so.. brainwased by these new age liberal priest.. humilty.. one of the spiritual pronciples believers have seemed to have phased out ?

          steve

    • dudeonthesun

      truely we are goin to see a continual .. growing .. de-progression of man.. as man is self ceneterd , full of greed and glutton , which thru getting out of self, we can help others,, i know of many Christians that do this…. he died to liberate us from self,,, so we can reflect Gods love through our actions to others.. there fore refelcting Gods love,,,,, as it goes,,,,, if my neighbor is starving am i just going to pray that he gets food,, or put my belief into action and take my neighbor some food?

    • dudeonthesun

      and if you are a believer .. part of the walk in Christ is doing ….. good deeds with out expecting anything in return

  • dup

    I don't know many Christians. There are lots of folks round that claim the title but few can walk the talk. If this were a Christian nation we would all have free health care, be happily employed, safe and secure etc etc. But no, lead by the Godless not so Christian Right, we are a nation of assholes.fd

    • bryan_85

      As a christian myself I would have to agree with you on that one.

  • Steve

    Before I say something, I'm only a teenager, so some slack would be much appreciated. All this energy put into these debates always comes to a stand still, in general. Whether Christians are ignorant to the real world or whether they aren't in the end doesn't really matter. Yea Christianity may be a farce, but does it matter? This is all part of a big plan. Let go of just some of the greed, the hatred, the envy, and yes, the insecurities, because that is the central mode of control, to make us feel pathetic, small, so we'll willingly give up our sovereignty, our liberty, our destiny. We should be the age of human kind that stands up for something pure and something right…practice love. And if someone has something productive to add on to this…or constructive criticism, awesome. Society can only move as fast as its slowest people.

    • Tuna Ghost

      well steve, part of the problem with the whole “it doesn't matter” and “this is all part of a big plan” is that it encourages passive behavior when confronted with potentially dangerous kinds of ignorance. Obviously letting go of some of the greed, hatred, envy and insecurities sounds all well and good, but in terms of practice what exactly does that entail? If it's so easy why doesn't everyone do it? What if our biological natures are in fact completely the opposite of this? Wouldn't we then be attempting to be something we're not?

      • Steve

        It may encourage passive behavior, but in a time like this when everyone has a common enemy, and everyone is bickering over each others differences, what are you accomplishing? Not much…other than satisfying a need to bash another because of his/her differences. But the fact that as a society, you can get things done more efficiently and focus on what and who is screwing us over and how to fix that problem. And I'm pretty sure Malcom X lectured on this very topic, and if it wasn't true or important, he may not have been assassinated. And why people don't just practice this, I don't know? But the human brain/mind is capable of many things, but what it does is up to whoever is in control of it, OR WHOEVER HAS THE POWER TO MANIPULATE IT. So as far as our biological natures go, are you saying that because we evolved from primates we should continue to be primates? And not to strive to better ourselves for a better cause? Or to end a common problem with a better solution?

  • voxmagi

    I think the major problem you’re running into is an evangelical predisposition to look outside your church for problems…the rest of us keep pointing you back in. Save the lectures here for the pulpit Sunday, muzzle the maniacs that loudly speak on your behalf, but who not only fail to represent Christ, but possibly the human race as well.

    We grow ever sicker of them, and even though many of us know a few decent devout people of faith, those aren’t the people shifting politics to the fringe and threatening to make legal changes to the way the rest of us live. Christianity, Islam, Judaism what have you…any of them could use some peaceful honest souls who live what they preach or profess…but those people are the meek, the quiet, the good. What the vast host out here is weary of is not you…but your peers…and you know who they are.

    Cast the merchants out of your temples, the televangelists and lobbyists, find leaders who exemplify Christ…instead of people who transform the word into a reason for rolled eyes and vague disgust. Pander publicly to people’s love and compassion…not their fear and hatred. Let kindness be louder than the hate of false prophets…and someday you’ll have a lot less to feel wounded by, when the world isn’t sickened and disgusted by hypocrisy.

    And you may not understand, living inside the bubble of the faithful…but for those who choose a different path, we live daily with the rights due to us as citizens subject to attack and question, both outside our home and inside. You may feel that your faith is under attack, but its pure spin by panic mongering frauds passing as leadership. You will always be free to be a Christian in home and at church…other faiths face tests just to accomplish that much.

    Where you are not welcome is where we have to share public space, be it mandatory prayers shoved into our schools, or gaudy pathetic displays on public property instead of private property, or laws based on your leadership’s warped beliefs that intrudes into everyone else’s public and private life. We reject that tyranny for what is, a power grab, plain and simple and as old as time itself.

    Fight that alongside us, and you will find friends and converts along the way, in every place you go. Silently stand by while your leadership slowly devolves into mania…and you might as well get used to disdain and eventual irrelevance.

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