Is It Misogynist to Believe That a Woman Is Unable to Do Much Harm to a Man By Raping Him?

Yahoo AnswersYahoo! Answers is not the font of all wisdom, as I think even most of its members know, but two years ago at least one interesting question was asked which proved controversial.  The question was, “Is it MISOGYNIST to believe that women are unable to do much harm to a man by ‘raping’ him?”

Note the scare quotes.

Two members apparently got into an argument–the page has only two posts by the members, but they contain multiple edits and refer to each others’ arguments.  This is how I think it went down:

Lol sup:

If a man claims to have been raped by a women, he’s trivializing rape. End of story.

Alpha Scorpii:

It is misandristic in that you are trivializing the feelings of men. I was watching a CNN show about a robbery/rape/multiple murder committed by 2 black men in Kansas. Five friends were at one of their condos when the men held them at gunpoint and forced them all to strip. They first made the women perform cunnilingus on each other while the men were kept in a closet, then they forced the men to have sex with the women. From what the lone survivor said the men weren’t all too pleased about the situation at all. I’d say that would be psychologically harmful to those men, and of course the women too. They don’t have to worry about it though since they are all dead except on woman whose hair clip deflected the bullet to her head.
Women can rape men with foreign objects you know. I’ve heard of that happening on more than one occasion. That is probably very harmful to them. If you mean teens and younger, as happens with teachers, and in child pornography, I would have to say that it’s not healthy, and in porn it can be very damaging .

Lol sup:

Rape isn’t about “getting off”. Rape is about establishing dominance and forcing someone to do something that they don’t want to do. Saying women rape men with objects is ******* ridiculous and it trivializes the brutality that many women face every day.

A woman that shoves a dildo up a guy’s *** is sexual harassment, sure. But saying it’s rape is a stretch of the imagination. It demeans the horror that victims of REAL rape lived through. The ones that were murdered after being raped, well. It’s like pissing on their grave.

Alpha Scorpii:

well that proves the point about trivializing the plight of men. OK, another example, I saw some interviews of crack whores. One liked to tie the johns up then sodomize them against their wills with foreign objects. That would be extremely traumatizing for a man. IT IS RAPE, even by the feminist legal definition. If a man puts a foreign object in a woman that’s rape, but if it’s done to a man it’s not? That is what you have said.
Also, many men are raped in prisons every day. These are brutal, violent gang rapes many times, and the victims have nowhere to run to, no one helps them, and they are stuck very often as sexual slaves being loaned out to rival gangs or traded and sold like an animal. This is a very big civil rights violation, and men are raped then killed in prison. The spread of AIDS is also high there, as is tuberculosis and hepatitis C. By some estimates more men are raped in prison each year than the total of all women raped. Even if the number is not quite as high as the number of women raped it is still an evil thing to send men to be homosexually raped in prison, especially if they are falsely convicted of rape.

Lol sup:

We aren’t talking about man on man rape. We’re talking about woman on man sexual harassment.

The ratio of innocent men in prison compared to guilty men is along the lines of 0.5:10. If a guilty man is put in prison, and is raped, it’s his fault and his fault alone. Women who are raped are innocent. Saying that more men are raped than women is mindbogglingly stupid.

I’m not convinced that you were serious just now. This must be a joke, a put-on. Even the physically and mentally handicapped people that work as greeters at Walmart are not as pathetic as what you said. I’m calling shenanigans, mostly because I believe it is a legit attempt a shaking my faith in humanity to it’s very core. I can’t believe it. I won’t believe it. It’s the most mind-numbingly inane bullshit I’ve ever read. I’m sure that if you told anyone else what you just said, they’d gouge their eyes out because of the fact that they wouldn’t be able to comprehend the utter mental retardation that encompasses what you said. You sir have brought a new meaning to fail. This fail is the kind of fail that will go down in history. The kind of fail that I won’t be the least bit proud of admitting that I was there for. I hope I never meet you in real life because I’m afraid that your level of stupid can be transferred via verbal contact. You are a prime example of a worthless blight.

But assuming this isn’t a joke and you really are plagued by this much idiocy, I feel that it is my duty, for all intents and purposes, to blatantly tell you how confoundingly stupid you are. I feel that it is the kindness, most responsible thing I can do for your lost, mentally questionable soul.

Okay, I’m just going to go out on a limb and say it. I one time saw two guys having sex in the park. That was the gayest thing I’ve ever seen until I read what you said. You should just quit life. I’m sure you’re getting a lot of hate from your peers and everyone that ever loved you right now. I can understand your stupidity. I myself was once a stupid little kid with no knowledge of the world. You made me despise not only that but everything about my childhood. Thank you.

But what I want to know is why. Why, why why? What was your plan? You were going to come to ME and expect real feedback? I can’t even think of a rational argument to give you that I think you’d be able to understand. I suggest you go in a corner, sit down, and think about your life for at least a week. After that week, if the sheer amount of ridiculousness hasn’t crushed your will to live, come back and apologize.

Source(s):

Common sense

Alpha Scorpii:

“The truth is hate to those who hate the truth.” When you don’t have a valid argument, try an ad hominem attack! LoL, all those words and you didn’t actually say anything — or at least what you thought you were saying. What you did tell me is that you are a callous callus, that has ZERO regard for the welfare of men i.e. a misandrist. So let’s try a little mental experiment… OK, your brother, father, husband, whatever, is arrested for drunk driving in the CIty, or was at bankrupcy court in Newark, and was sent to the city jail overnight. Now let’s say he’s a 135 lb little guy, not effeminate or anything just a wiry kind of guy. He gets put in a bad cell block with guys there in the jail awaiting trial for capital offenses, and they see a worried, smaller, white man — a nice easy target, and he gets ganged raped by 3 black guys that break his arm and he requires surgery for “other” injuries. So now, your brother, son, husband, father, whatever tells you what happened in the hospital. Now you say to him, “you committed a crime, you deserved to get raped, you sissy. Man up and stop whining. It’s not like you are a woman, why didn’t you fight them off. I’m disgusted that I’m related to you…PANSY!!!” LoL, I think we all see what kind of person you are. How about this? Let’s change the sexes of your heinous statement.

If a guilty woman is put in prison, and is raped, it’s her fault and her fault alone. Men who are raped are innocent

Wow, if a man said what you did in that context, he’d have to go into hiding. Freakin’ Amazing! Wow! You do know women in prison also get raped? So what you are saying is that women in custody deserve to get raped for like driving without a license, or having a couple grams of cocaine? I didn’t know we sentenced people to rape? Pathetic. I pity, I really do, and I hope you can get over your sexual assault. You need to read more than feminist lies, here’s a couple links.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Afric…

Title of article: “Men raped more than women”
“Lamprecht said their research showed that more men than women were penetrated against their will. ”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape

“According to Human Rights Watch, at least 140,000 inmates are raped in the US each year,[1] and there is a significant variation in the rates of prison rape by race. Stop Prisoner Rape, Inc. statistics indicate that there are more men raped in U.S. prisons than non-incarcerated women similarly assaulted. They estimate that young men are five times more likely to be attacked; and that the prison rape victims are ten times more likely to contract a deadly disease.”

Please, don’t try to argue with your superiors again. It’s downright embarrassing for you. I’m not going to defend myself against your libel, because it’s laughably absurd, but I will say I am not young, I’ve been around the block more than a few times.

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  • gil

    I believe the correct answer is: “only if you’re a man who hates women.”

    • gil

      Of course, then we’d have to clearly define what’s a man, what’s hate and what’s a woman and I guess that wouldn’t lead us anywhere, really…

      Not to make light of the subject. But I think we should consider it’s not that important.

  • gil

    I believe the correct answer is: “only if you’re a man who hates women.”

  • gil

    Of course, then we’d have to clearly define what’s a man, what’s hate and what’s a woman and I guess that wouldn’t lead us anywhere, really…

    Not to make light of the subject. But I think we should consider it’s not that important.

  • Polymorph Legion

    “A woman that shoves a dildo up a guy’s *** is sexual harassment, sure. But saying it’s rape is a stretch of the imagination. It demeans the horror that victims of REAL rape lived through.”

    this is one of the most unintelligent and fucking retarded things i have ever heard. you’re telling me a man being forced to have something inserted into his ass isn’t rape??? i hope you get raped you fucking moron!

  • Polymorph Legion

    “A woman that shoves a dildo up a guy’s *** is sexual harassment, sure. But saying it’s rape is a stretch of the imagination. It demeans the horror that victims of REAL rape lived through.”

    this is one of the most unintelligent and fucking retarded things i have ever heard. you’re telling me a man being forced to have something inserted into his ass isn’t rape??? i hope you get raped you fucking moron!

  • Pb

    are you familiar with the concept of a “troll”?

  • Pb

    are you familiar with the concept of a “troll”?

  • Haystack

    Why isn’t there an “eye roll” button next to “like” and “reply”?

  • Virgendelasvacas

    “Is It Misogynist to Believe That a Woman Is Unable to Do Much Harm to a Man By Raping Him?”

    I would have to say yes, in the sense that it relies on the tired trope of females being weak and powerless.

    Yes, men can and do suffer rape, but it’s usually by other men (and usually in a prison setting). That is not to say there have not been cases of men being raped by women, but it’s pretty uncommon.

    I would like to conclude this by saying that ANYONE being raped by ANYONE is horrible and tragic.

    Also, reading that argument made my brain hurt. :/

  • Virgendelasvacas

    “Is It Misogynist to Believe That a Woman Is Unable to Do Much Harm to a Man By Raping Him?”

    I would have to say yes, in the sense that it relies on the tired trope of females being weak and powerless.

    Yes, men can and do suffer rape, but it’s usually by other men (and usually in a prison setting). That is not to say there have not been cases of men being raped by women, but it’s pretty uncommon.

    I would like to conclude this by saying that ANYONE being raped by ANYONE is horrible and tragic.

    Also, reading that argument made my brain hurt. :/

  • poaslknf

    Yes LOL is a troll. A fucktard of a troll. And Alpha Scorpii is afraid of black people.
    I was gray-area fucked by a guy once. He actually worked through most of the guys in our circle, kept kind of a ledger. It was totally predatory, and not the best thing to ever happen to me, but it didn’t ruin my life for very long. So to me, not rape, even though it might have been prosecutable as such. That’s my call to make. I wouldn’t dare speak for anyone else in the same situation.
    And yet I know people who have major trauma issues from childhood abuse that didn’t extend beyond forced visual sexualised contact with an adult. And this isn’t rape? Why the complex taxonomies?
    IMHO, if it is bad enough to fuck you up as much as being raped in the penis/vagina man-hurt-woman way, you can call it rape. If a woman did it, if it was only oral, or if it didn’t involve a vagina or a penis at all, it can still be rape. There’s no zero-sum game here, where one person owning their experience dis-empowers another person who had a different (just as traumatizing) experience. Misery doesn’t work that way.
    And if you think you’re protecting women by silencing non-traditional survivors of sexual assault, you’re wrong. There are just that many fewer allies then.

  • poaslknf

    Yes LOL is a troll. A fucktard of a troll. And Alpha Scorpii is afraid of black people.
    I was gray-area fucked by a guy once. He actually worked through most of the guys in our circle, kept kind of a ledger. It was totally predatory, and not the best thing to ever happen to me, but it didn’t ruin my life for very long. So to me, not rape, even though it might have been prosecutable as such. That’s my call to make. I wouldn’t dare speak for anyone else in the same situation.
    And yet I know people who have major trauma issues from childhood abuse that didn’t extend beyond forced visual sexualised contact with an adult. And this isn’t rape? Why the complex taxonomies?
    IMHO, if it is bad enough to fuck you up as much as being raped in the penis/vagina man-hurt-woman way, you can call it rape. If a woman did it, if it was only oral, or if it didn’t involve a vagina or a penis at all, it can still be rape. There’s no zero-sum game here, where one person owning their experience dis-empowers another person who had a different (just as traumatizing) experience. Misery doesn’t work that way.
    And if you think you’re protecting women by silencing non-traditional survivors of sexual assault, you’re wrong. There are just that many fewer allies then.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Easy way to solve this. Make the woman 250 lbs of muscled ugliness that inspires no attraction, make the man a 120 lb wimp…and then have the woman trap him in a dorm room, strap on a dildo and asshammer his punk butt while he tries to scream between breaks for sobs of despair.If he still claims to have enjoyed the experience…then I guess theres no misogyny in place…but if helplessness and being preyed upon and victimized is a universal feeling that anyone can experience under the right circumstances…then yes, only a misogynistic dipshit would even ask the question, and he’d probably still be too dumb to be grateful that he’s never experienced victimization.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Easy way to solve this. Make the woman 250 lbs of muscled ugliness that inspires no attraction, make the man a 120 lb wimp…and then have the woman trap him in a dorm room, strap on a dildo and asshammer his punk butt while he tries to scream between breaks for sobs of despair.If he still claims to have enjoyed the experience…then I guess theres no misogyny in place…but if helplessness and being preyed upon and victimized is a universal feeling that anyone can experience under the right circumstances…then yes, only a misogynistic dipshit would even ask the question, and he’d probably still be too dumb to be grateful that he’s never experienced victimization.

  • gemmarama

    so today, your sources are:

    some wacko doctor’s personal web page,
    and two “boo hoo, i’ve got a small dick” male victim sites – malesurvivor.org and the “national coalition for men” (cos there’s a real lack of boys clubs in the world).

    and you expect to maintain any shred of credibility how?

  • Andrew

    > “boo hoo, i’ve got a small dick” male victim sites

    Does that mean RAINN is a “boo hoo, i’ve got no dick” female victim site?

  • gemmarama

    no, because RAINN are a charity that deal with rape, abuse and incest, none of which are gender-specific, as opposed to the sites mentioned, which are a self-indulgent, incoherent, wailing mass of unspecific rage and self-pity.

  • Vox Penii is an idiot

    What the fuck does have to do with Marxism you simple minded idiot?

  • Andrew

    He likes association fallacies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1072029660 Jenni Allen

    It’s never alright to rape or violate other people’s bodies, even if a woman does it to a man, or if a man gets raped by another man in prison. Men and women should be equally guilty or innocent during these acts. None of these acts should be acceptable. It’s true that men are the most common perpetrators in these acts, but it would be a lie to say that women don’t commit these acts either. Rape happens even in the animal world for means of survival, but that doesn’t mean we should accept it as a normal or healthy sexual activity between human beings.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1072029660 Jenni Allen

    It’s never alright to rape or violate other people’s bodies, even if a woman does it to a man, or if a man gets raped by another man in prison. Men and women should be equally guilty or innocent during these acts. None of these acts should be acceptable. It’s true that men are the most common perpetrators in these acts, but it would be a lie to say that women don’t commit these acts either. Rape happens even in the animal world for means of survival, but that doesn’t mean we should accept it as a normal or healthy sexual activity between human beings.

  • Haystack

    Why isn’t there an “eye roll” button next to “like” and “reply”?

  • gemmarama

    so today, your sources are:

    some wacko doctor’s personal web page,
    and two “boo hoo, i’ve got a small dick” male victim sites – malesurvivor.org and the “national coalition for men” (cos there’s a real lack of boys clubs in the world).

    and you expect to maintain any shred of credibility how?

  • Vox Penii is an idiot

    What the fuck does have to do with Marxism you simple minded idiot?

  • Andrew

    > “boo hoo, i’ve got a small dick” male victim sites

    Does that mean RAINN is a “boo hoo, i’ve got no dick” female victim site?

  • gemmarama

    no, because RAINN are a charity that deal with rape, abuse and incest, none of which are gender-specific, as opposed to the sites mentioned, which are a self-indulgent, incoherent, wailing mass of unspecific rage and self-pity.

  • Andrew

    He likes association fallacies.