New York Town Forcing Removal Of Muslim Cemetery

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Delaware County, New York

Thanks to Mark for sending us this story from Huffington Post:

A town in upstate New York is trying to force a local Muslim religious community to dig up a small cemetery on its property and never bury anyone there again because it says it’s illegal.

“What we would not want is an unauthorized cemetery,” says Bob McCarthy, town supervisor of the Delaware County town of Sidney, population 5,993. “We’re taking care of a bunch of cemeteries, and they just came in and buried the bodies, and didn’t go through…there’s no funding there, it’s not a standard kind of deal, and it’s going to become a liability to the town.”

So what steps have the Muslims skipped? “I don’t know what the exact law is,” he says.

Which is the problem; because whether or not the town government likes it, there are no laws in Sidney — or New York state, for that matter — covering cemeteries on private land — religious cemeteries included. Plus, the town approved the cemetery in 2005.

In any event, the cemetery, in the tiny hamlet of Sidney Center, was never a secret — and couldn’t have been: When the first body arrived in November, 2009, it had a 3-car escort from the Passaic, New Jersey Police Department, which necessarily told local authorities it was arriving.

And there’s certainly nothing illegal about it as far as the State Troopers are concerned. “We looked into the cemetery and it was determined what they were doing is lawful,” says Captain James Barnes of the New York State Police, Troop “C,” based in Sidney.

This apparently isn’t stopping the town board…

[continues at Huffington Post]

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  • Andrew

    Dead Muslims must be cremated lest they come back as blood-sucking Socialist vampires, FACT.

  • Andrew

    Dead Muslims must be cremated lest they come back as blood-sucking Socialist vampires, FACT.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    “. . . there are no laws in Sidney — or New York state, for that matter — covering cemeteries on private land — religious cemeteries included. . . .”

    While I totally support the Muslim community’s right to be treated like anyone else with regard to burying their loved ones, the above statement is just not true.

    http://www.dos.state.ny.us/cmty/cemlaw.html

    Especially Section 1506 (a), (b) and (i).

    I love Disinfo, but come on! Did you really believe New York would allow noxious chemicals/bacteria from putrifying corpses to leech through to the local drinking water supply? That there’s some kinda nutty libertarian anti-gubmint type thing, right there.

    • Liam_McGonagle

      OOPTH. Guess I nailed myself on this one. Sections 1401 and 4145 for private funeral corporations. The sections I cited earlier were for public corporations. Not the applicable sections.

      But the fundamental observation remains. No way’re they gonna let people dump corpses around willy nilly without permit.

  • Anonymous

    “. . . there are no laws in Sidney — or New York state, for that matter — covering cemeteries on private land — religious cemeteries included. . . .”

    While I totally support the Muslim community’s right to be treated like anyone else with regard to burying their loved ones, the above statement is just not true.

    http://www.dos.state.ny.us/cmty/cemlaw.html

    Especially Section 1506 (a), (b) and (i).

    I love Disinfo, but come on! Did you really believe New York would allow noxious chemicals/bacteria from putrifying corpses to leech through to the local drinking water supply? That there’s some kinda nutty libertarian anti-gubmint type thing, right there.

  • Anonymous

    OOPTH. Guess I nailed myself on this one. Sections 1401 and 4145 for private funeral corporations. The sections I cited earlier were for public corporations. Not the applicable sections.

    But the fundamental observation remains. No way’re they gonna let people dump corpses around willy nilly without permit.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Given the resistance my family got regarding expanding a tiny, 150+ year old private cemetery even though it was far from any town or developed land…I suspect the source of the complaints might something more mundane…like a for profit funeral home/cemetery group pushing to keep the business of death limited to area companies. The ‘Islamic’ issue is probably just a bonus context that gives the usual political weenies something to touch themselves over while they railroad small private groups out of the industry.

    As for unauthorized burial…if remains and the chemicals involved bother you…I don’t even want to tell you what the water reclamation centers do with the sewer sludge they have leftover after processing. You’re better off not knowing. Lets just say theres a reason I went over to small farm organics…and it wasn’t over potential animal cruelty.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Given the resistance my family got regarding expanding a tiny, 150+ year old private cemetery even though it was far from any town or developed land…I suspect the source of the complaints might something more mundane…like a for profit funeral home/cemetery group pushing to keep the business of death limited to area companies. The ‘Islamic’ issue is probably just a bonus context that gives the usual political weenies something to touch themselves over while they railroad small private groups out of the industry.

    As for unauthorized burial…if remains and the chemicals involved bother you…I don’t even want to tell you what the water reclamation centers do with the sewer sludge they have leftover after processing. You’re better off not knowing. Lets just say theres a reason I went over to small farm organics…and it wasn’t over potential animal cruelty.

  • Vox Coolstorybro

    Cool story bro.

  • samthor

    Apparently you can’t just bury people anywhere, Muslim or otherwise.

  • samthor

    darn, double post.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently you can’t just bury people anywhere, Muslim or otherwise.

  • Anonymous

    darn, double post.

  • gemmarama

    muslims, we don’t even want you DYING in our country… if you seep into the water supply we might catch brown off you, ugh!

  • gemmarama

    muslims, we don’t even want you DYING in our country… if you seep into the water supply we might catch brown off you, ugh!

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Okay, time out here, Disinfonauts! My meaning, which I believed should be self evident, has become totally misconstrued.

    But let’s take advantage of this “Teachable Moment”, shall we? In no particular order:

    1. Penii: I most certainly do NOT accuse these Muslims of poisoning the watersupply! If you actually followed the link in my first post and read relevent sections, you will quickly note that nowhere do they mention specific water safety standards or required remediation efforts. My reference to that potential issue is solely to demonstrate one common sense reason that communities MUST HAVE LAWS REGARDING DISPOSAL OF HUMAN REMAINS. And the link is intended solely to prove that fact—NOT to claim that these Muslims are actually doing so.

    Anyhow, the specific safety standards and remediation efforts required are not going to be found in the state statute book. They’re going to be found in the detailed standards of the regulating agency, and wouldn’t be of any use to us here. I’d wager that damn few of us here have the relevant scientific degrees to understand them. And certainly there is not in this article the type of required detailed information about this specific cemetary to make that determination, even if we did.

    2. The author/editor of this article: What ye’ve done here is called “burying the lead” (no pun intended). The story here is NOT specifically that this cemetary is being closed down or that it belongs to Muslims. The point is that American citizens are possibly being denied their Due Process rights under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

    Though I ragged out the author in earlier posts, he hasn’t done quite as bad a job of it as Penii seems to think. I mean, he does include a quote from Bob McCarthy, town supervisor, saying, “I don’t know what the exact law is.” That seems to be a pretty strong indication that the relevant authorities are not taking the Muslim community’s rights seriously here. It’s not absolute proof that the Muslims’ rights have been violated, but it certainly does suggest that is the case.

    And that leads me to the editor’s culpability. What the hell are they paying him/her for if not to read this shit thoroughly and make sure no clusterdonks like these get into print? That editor should be grilling the author right now and setting him/her to get the facts right and presented properly. Hopefully the author’s done enough legwork that it can be only a matter of an hour or two’s rewriting. But that dumbass phrase, “. . . there are no laws in Sidney — or New York state, for that matter — covering cemeteries on private land — religious cemeteries included. . . .” , well it does not give a man much confidence.

    3. Myself: Good goin’, dude. Haven’t you learned yet that nobody reads the setup and always goes straight for the punchline? D’oh!

  • Anonymous

    Okay, time out here, Disinfonauts! My meaning, which I believed should be self evident, has become totally misconstrued.

    But let’s take advantage of this “Teachable Moment”, shall we? In no particular order:

    1. Penii: I most certainly do NOT accuse these Muslims of poisoning the watersupply! If you actually followed the link in my first post and read relevent sections, you will quickly note that nowhere do they mention specific water safety standards or required remediation efforts. My reference to that potential issue is solely to demonstrate one common sense reason that communities MUST HAVE LAWS REGARDING DISPOSAL OF HUMAN REMAINS. And the link is intended solely to prove that fact—NOT to claim that these Muslims are actually doing so.

    Anyhow, the specific safety standards and remediation efforts required are not going to be found in the state statute book. They’re going to be found in the detailed standards of the regulating agency, and wouldn’t be of any use to us here. I’d wager that damn few of us here have the relevant scientific degrees to understand them. And certainly there is not in this article the type of required detailed information about this specific cemetary to make that determination, even if we did.

    2. The author/editor of this article: What ye’ve done here is called “burying the lead” (no pun intended). The story here is NOT specifically that this cemetary is being closed down or that it belongs to Muslims. The point is that American citizens are possibly being denied their Due Process rights under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

    Though I ragged out the author in earlier posts, he hasn’t done quite as bad a job of it as Penii seems to think. I mean, he does include a quote from Bob McCarthy, town supervisor, saying, “I don’t know what the exact law is.” That seems to be a pretty strong indication that the relevant authorities are not taking the Muslim community’s rights seriously here. It’s not absolute proof that the Muslims’ rights have been violated, but it certainly does suggest that is the case.

    And that leads me to the editor’s culpability. What the hell are they paying him/her for if not to read this shit thoroughly and make sure no clusterdonks like these get into print? That editor should be grilling the author right now and setting him/her to get the facts right and presented properly. Hopefully the author’s done enough legwork that it can be only a matter of an hour or two’s rewriting. But that dumbass phrase, “. . . there are no laws in Sidney — or New York state, for that matter — covering cemeteries on private land — religious cemeteries included. . . .” , well it does not give a man much confidence.

    3. Myself: Good goin’, dude. Haven’t you learned yet that nobody reads the setup and always goes straight for the punchline? D’oh!

  • Vox Coolstorybro

    Cool story bro.

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