Relentless Views of The Pope And His Opinions

In a letter to the Guardian, harsh words were written towards the pope’s visit to the country. Disagreeing with his religious and political actions, and lack of actions, the pope is presented in an interesting depiction from the eyes of these English citizens. From The Guardian:

We, the undersigned, share the view that Pope Ratzinger should not be given the honour of a state visit to this country. We believe that the pope, as a citizen of Europe and the leader of a religion with many adherents in the UK, is of course free to enter and tour our country. However, as well as a religious leader, the pope is a head of state, and the state and organisation of which he is head has been responsible for:

Opposing the distribution of condoms and so increasing large families in poor countries and the spread of Aids.

Promoting segregated education.

Denying abortion to even the most vulnerable women.

Opposing equal rights for lesbians, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Failing to address the many cases of abuse of children within its own organisation.

The state of which the pope is head has also resisted signing many major human rights treaties and has formed its own treaties (“concordats”) with many states which negatively affect the human rights of citizens of those states. In any case, we reject the masquerading of the Holy See as a state and the pope as a head of state as merely a convenient fiction to amplify the international influence of the Vatican.

Continues at The Guardian

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  • Anonymous

    His hat looks like the folded toilet paper tab in hotel bathrooms. I’m sure its just as useful….

  • GoodDoktorBad

    His hat looks like the folded toilet paper tab in hotel bathrooms. I’m sure its just as useful….

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION DER POPENFUHRER!!! MARCH!!! MARCH FOR HIS LOVE! SCHNELL! SCHNELL! HEIL, MEINE POPENFUHRER!! HEIL!!

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION DER POPENFUHRER!!! MARCH!!! MARCH FOR HIS LOVE! SCHNELL! SCHNELL! HEIL, MEINE POPENFUHRER!! HEIL!!

  • The Fool

    I agree with most of the article, but *not* with the point about abuse of children. We’ve never heard of church-related children abuse scandals more often than now ? That’s true. Does it mean that the actual papacy advocated or tolerated such behavior ? Obviously not. I think they’re as displeased as everyone by what they find out, and that they’re actually making up for decades of lenience. The Church sees these issues now with much, much more clarity than by the past, and they react and act in a much more sane way.

    Don’t make me say what I don’t say. The catholic Church is responsible for these crimes, and for many other harmful actions throughout history. And Ratzinger is a bigot and the herald of an obsolete belief system that only manages to make people more miserable. But unless you prove to me he committed or protected such acts himself, I think blaming his actions about abuse of children is blaming the cop for the criminals he ferrets out. After all, he *is* a stern, narrow-minded and moralistic puritan — for worse and for better.

    • E.B. Wolf

      Before becoming pope, he was the Vatican’s PR guy. It was his job to cover up or spin anything that made them look bad. You think he was elected pope for NOT fulfilling his previous assignment?

    • Andrew

      I believe the actual papacy tolerated and possibly advocated the molestation and rape of children.

  • The Fool

    I agree with most of the article, but *not* with the point about abuse of children. We’ve never heard of church-related children abuse scandals more often than now ? That’s true. Does it mean that the actual papacy advocated or tolerated such behavior ? Obviously not. I think they’re as displeased as everyone by what they find out, and that they’re actually making up for decades of lenience. The Church sees these issues now with much, much more clarity than by the past, and they react and act in a much more sane way.

    Don’t make me say what I don’t say. The catholic Church is responsible for these crimes, and for many other harmful actions throughout history. And Ratzinger is a bigot and the herald of an obsolete belief system that only manages to make people more miserable. But unless you prove to me he committed or protected such acts himself, I think blaming his actions about abuse of children is blaming the cop for the criminals he ferrets out. After all, he *is* a stern, narrow-minded and moralistic puritan — for worse and for better.

  • E.B. Wolf

    Before becoming pope, he was the Vatican’s PR guy. It was his job to cover up or spin anything that made them look bad. You think he was elected pope for NOT fulfilling his previous assignment?

  • echar

    Persecution my ass… Until one of them has their flesh ripped from their body with hot pincers, their limbs pulled from their sockets, their flesh poked with needles, burned at the stake, or their whole culture decimated can they even mention persecution.

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    Persecution my ass… Until one of them has their flesh ripped from their body with hot pincers, their limbs pulled from their sockets, their flesh poked with needles, burned at the stake, or their whole culture decimated can they even mention persecution.

  • nobody

    It is just the usual ideology-based brainwashing propaganda against the chatolic church. I don’t say that there is no valid points against the church but this letter is only good for showing how biased and narrow minded the authors are. While the paradigm propagated by these people is only good for flushing down in the toilet, the paradigm of the church is something what deserves some strict and well thought criticism but at least it has been proven to work during hundreds of years.

    • gemmarama

      “Save us, O Lord, save us all. Save us from the Pope. Joseph Ratzinger is coming to Britain. Gordon Brown is “delighted”. David Cameron is “delighted”. I am “repelled”. Let him come; I applaud freedom of speech. But no red carpets, please. No biscuits. No Queen.

      In his actions on child abuse and Aids, Joseph Ratzinger has colluded in the protection of paedophiles and the deaths of millions of Africans. As Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (Pope John Paul II’s chief enforcer), it was Ratzinger’s job to investigate the child abuse scandal that plagued the Catholic church for decades. And how did he do it? In May 2001 he wrote a confidential letter to Catholic bishops, ordering them not to notify the police – or anyone else – about the allegations, on pain of excommunication. He referred to a previous (confidential) Vatican document that ordered that investigations should be handled “in the most secretive way . . . restrained by a perpetual silence”. Excommunication is a joke to me, perhaps to you, but to a Catholic it means exclusion and perhaps hellfire – for trying to protect a child. Well, God is love.

      He also waved aside calls to discipline Marcial Maciel Degollado, the Mexican founder of the global Legion of Christ movement. Allegations of child abuse have stalked Maciel since the 1970s. His victims petitioned Ratzinger, only for his secretary to inform them the matter was closed. “One can’t put on trial such a close friend of the Pope as Marcial Maciel,” Ratzinger said. Two abuse victims sued him personally for obstruction of justice, but he claimed diplomatic immunity.

      Eventually, when the allegations could no longer be denied, Ratzinger apologised, and sent Maciel off “to a life of prayer and penitence”. Why not prison? He didn’t say. “It is a great suffering for the church . . . and for me personally,” was Ratzinger’s comment about the wider child abuse scandal. Great suffering? I thought to be raped as a child was great suffering. To be exposed as complicit in a cover-up is surely merely . . . embarrassing?

      Ratzinger added that he believed the Catholic church had been the victim of a “planned” media campaign. By whom? By gays? By Jews? By Jedi? He instructed that prayers be said in perpetuity for the victims – thanks, I feel better now! – along with a push to ensure that men “with deep-seated homosexual tendencies” do not enter the priesthood, thereby turning all responsibility for the scandal into – the laps of the evil gays!

      Ratzinger is also active in the suppression of Liberation Theology, a Latin American movement that insists that social justice is the central purpose of Christianity; that good Catholics should also be political activists who fight for the rights of the slum-living poor. Ratzinger was repelled, and dismissed it as “a fundamental threat to the faith of the Church”.

      And so to the church’s own holocaust – in Africa. Condoms can protect Africans from Aids. But who can protect them from Ratzinger? The Catholic church has long pursued a no-condoms policy. In El Salvador the church got a law passed, ensuring that condoms were only sold with a warning stating they did not protect the user from Aids. In Kenya, Cardinal Maurice Otunga staged public burnings of condoms. The former Archbishop of Nairobi, Raphael Ndingi Mwana a’Nzeki told his flock that condoms, far from protecting them, contribute to the spread of the disease. Well, God is love.

      Some local priests in Africa counsel contraception, because they care about their parishioners. But the Vatican, on its Roman cloud, disagrees. Aids, Ratzinger says, “cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems”. That is a lie. Not a fantasy, like the virgin birth and all the other magical, mystical nonsense, but a dangerous lie. There are, Your Holiness, more than 12 million Aids orphans in Africa. Twenty-two million Africans have Aids and the UN fears that eventually 90 million could die.

      Ratzinger presides over a church that calls homosexuality “a deviation, an irregularity, a wound”. Catholic reformers have tried to liberalise this view but Ratzinger slapped them down. In a 1986 letter, he complained that, “Even within the Church, [people] are bringing enormous pressure to bear . . . to accept the homosexual condition as though it were not disordered.” He added that homosexuality is “an intrinsic moral evil”.

      Care to know the suicide statistics for teenage gays, Your Holiness? They are four times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual fellows. In 1998, a 39-year-old gay man called Alfredo Ormando set fire to himself in St Peter’s Square, in protest at your policies. He died.

      Ratzinger is no better on women; he opposes women priests, of course, and demands the criminilisation of abortion even for women who have been raped or are very sick; gin and wire coathangers, anyone? His friend, the theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg, has said that Ratzinger sees the push for female priests as driven by “spokeswomen for radical feminists, especially lesbians”.

      So this is the man who is coming to lecture us about morality. Welcome, Benedict XVI, Episcopus Romae, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God. Don’t tread on the corpses.”

      Tanya Gold The Guardian, Tuesday 29 September 2009

      • nobody

        Again, I’m not against the criticism of the curch nor the criticism of the pope. You don’t have to convince me that there is some strong points against them. My problem is that the authors of the letter above show that they care about the sexual health of African people or the abused children or whatever but they do it only when they can attack the church. The same is true for the article you copy’n’pasted. What do you think why are they doing this?

        • gemmarama

          i don’t think this is true. there is generally an outcry in the UK whenever ANY morally objectionable dictator comes to visit.

          • nobody

            You don’t have a clue what a dictature is.

          • Tom@myspace.com

            no, but we sure know a dick when we smell one

        • A Bad Joke

          You defend lies so valiantly.

    • http://slrman.wordpress.com/ James Smith

      Proven to work? How? By encouraging abuse, protecting pedophiles, and instilling guilt, hate, and intolerance?

      FYI, it’s spelled “Catholic” and you should learn the difference between “that” and “what”. Then you wouldn’t sound so much like a semi-illiterate delusional fool.

    • Guest

      What you talkin bout fool?

  • nobody

    It is just the usual ideology-based brainwashing propaganda against the chatolic church. I don’t say that there is no valid points against the church but this letter is only good for showing how biased and narrow minded the authors are. While the paradigm propagated by these people is only good for flushing down in the toilet, the paradigm of the church is something what deserves some strict and well thought criticism but at least it has been proven to work during hundreds of years.

  • gemmarama

    “Save us, O Lord, save us all. Save us from the Pope. Joseph Ratzinger is coming to Britain. Gordon Brown is “delighted”. David Cameron is “delighted”. I am “repelled”. Let him come; I applaud freedom of speech. But no red carpets, please. No biscuits. No Queen.

    In his actions on child abuse and Aids, Joseph Ratzinger has colluded in the protection of paedophiles and the deaths of millions of Africans. As Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (Pope John Paul II’s chief enforcer), it was Ratzinger’s job to investigate the child abuse scandal that plagued the Catholic church for decades. And how did he do it? In May 2001 he wrote a confidential letter to Catholic bishops, ordering them not to notify the police – or anyone else – about the allegations, on pain of excommunication. He referred to a previous (confidential) Vatican document that ordered that investigations should be handled “in the most secretive way . . . restrained by a perpetual silence”. Excommunication is a joke to me, perhaps to you, but to a Catholic it means exclusion and perhaps hellfire – for trying to protect a child. Well, God is love.

    He also waved aside calls to discipline Marcial Maciel Degollado, the Mexican founder of the global Legion of Christ movement. Allegations of child abuse have stalked Maciel since the 1970s. His victims petitioned Ratzinger, only for his secretary to inform them the matter was closed. “One can’t put on trial such a close friend of the Pope as Marcial Maciel,” Ratzinger said. Two abuse victims sued him personally for obstruction of justice, but he claimed diplomatic immunity.

    Eventually, when the allegations could no longer be denied, Ratzinger apologised, and sent Maciel off “to a life of prayer and penitence”. Why not prison? He didn’t say. “It is a great suffering for the church . . . and for me personally,” was Ratzinger’s comment about the wider child abuse scandal. Great suffering? I thought to be raped as a child was great suffering. To be exposed as complicit in a cover-up is surely merely . . . embarrassing?

    Ratzinger added that he believed the Catholic church had been the victim of a “planned” media campaign. By whom? By gays? By Jews? By Jedi? He instructed that prayers be said in perpetuity for the victims – thanks, I feel better now! – along with a push to ensure that men “with deep-seated homosexual tendencies” do not enter the priesthood, thereby turning all responsibility for the scandal into – the laps of the evil gays!

    Ratzinger is also active in the suppression of Liberation Theology, a Latin American movement that insists that social justice is the central purpose of Christianity; that good Catholics should also be political activists who fight for the rights of the slum-living poor. Ratzinger was repelled, and dismissed it as “a fundamental threat to the faith of the Church”.

    And so to the church’s own holocaust – in Africa. Condoms can protect Africans from Aids. But who can protect them from Ratzinger? The Catholic church has long pursued a no-condoms policy. In El Salvador the church got a law passed, ensuring that condoms were only sold with a warning stating they did not protect the user from Aids. In Kenya, Cardinal Maurice Otunga staged public burnings of condoms. The former Archbishop of Nairobi, Raphael Ndingi Mwana a’Nzeki told his flock that condoms, far from protecting them, contribute to the spread of the disease. Well, God is love.

    Some local priests in Africa counsel contraception, because they care about their parishioners. But the Vatican, on its Roman cloud, disagrees. Aids, Ratzinger says, “cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems”. That is a lie. Not a fantasy, like the virgin birth and all the other magical, mystical nonsense, but a dangerous lie. There are, Your Holiness, more than 12 million Aids orphans in Africa. Twenty-two million Africans have Aids and the UN fears that eventually 90 million could die.

    Ratzinger presides over a church that calls homosexuality “a deviation, an irregularity, a wound”. Catholic reformers have tried to liberalise this view but Ratzinger slapped them down. In a 1986 letter, he complained that, “Even within the Church, [people] are bringing enormous pressure to bear . . . to accept the homosexual condition as though it were not disordered.” He added that homosexuality is “an intrinsic moral evil”.

    Care to know the suicide statistics for teenage gays, Your Holiness? They are four times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual fellows. In 1998, a 39-year-old gay man called Alfredo Ormando set fire to himself in St Peter’s Square, in protest at your policies. He died.

    Ratzinger is no better on women; he opposes women priests, of course, and demands the criminilisation of abortion even for women who have been raped or are very sick; gin and wire coathangers, anyone? His friend, the theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg, has said that Ratzinger sees the push for female priests as driven by “spokeswomen for radical feminists, especially lesbians”.

    So this is the man who is coming to lecture us about morality. Welcome, Benedict XVI, Episcopus Romae, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God. Don’t tread on the corpses.”

    Tanya Gold The Guardian, Tuesday 29 September 2009

  • nobody

    Again, I’m not against the criticism of the curch nor the criticism of the pope. You don’t have to convince me that there is some strong points against them. My problem is that the authors of the letter above show that they care about the sexual health of African people or the abused children or whatever but they do it only when they can attack the church. The same is true for the article you copy’n’pasted. What do you think why are they doing this?

  • Andrew

    Ratzinger is an enabler and protector of pedophiles.

  • Andrew

    Ratzinger is an enabler and protector of pedophiles.

  • Andrew

    I believe the actual papacy tolerated and possibly advocated the molestation and rape of children.

  • Doctor

    If they wouldn’t let Sebastian Horsley in, why should they let you in, sir?

  • Doctor

    If they wouldn’t let Sebastian Horsley in, why should they let you in, sir?

  • gemmarama

    i don’t think this is true. there is generally an outcry in the UK whenever ANY morally objectionable dictator comes to visit.

  • A Bad Joke

    You defend lies so valiantly.

  • nobody

    You don’t have a clue what a dictature is.

  • gemmarama

    well yes i do actually, what’s more, i can even spell it…

  • gemmarama

    well yes i do actually, what’s more, i can even spell it…

  • gemmarama

    well yes i do actually, what’s more, i can even spell it…

  • gemmarama

    well yes i do actually. what’s more, i can even spell it…

  • gemmarama

    well yes i do actually. what’s more, i can even spell it…

  • gemmarama

    this was meant to be a reply to “nobody” further down; for some reason it’s up here. hope “nobody” can get their head round that.

  • gemmarama

    this was meant to be a reply to “nobody” further down; for some reason it’s up here. hope “nobody” can get their head round that.

  • gemmarama

    this was meant to be a reply to “nobody” further down; for some reason it’s up here. hope “nobody” can get their head round that.

  • http://slrman.wordpress.com/ James Smith

    This document fails to mention that this Pope has committed felonies in many countries including the USA and the UK. Specifically, by assisting pedophile priests by concealing their crimes and assisting them in relocating to areas where they can continue their sexual abuse of minors, he is guilty of “Aiding and abetting” and by not reporting their activities is also guilty of being an “Accessory after the fact”. In civilized countries, he would be arrested and imprisoned, as he should be in the UK.

  • Anonymous

    This document fails to mention that this Pope has committed felonies in many countries including the USA and the UK. Specifically, by assisting pedophile priests by concealing their crimes and assisting them in relocating to areas where they can continue their sexual abuse of minors, he is guilty of “Aiding and abetting” and by not reporting their activities is also guilty of being an “Accessory after the fact”. In civilized countries, he would be arrested and imprisoned, as he should be in the UK.

  • Anonymous

    Proven to work? How? By encouraging abuse, protecting pedophiles, and instilling guilt, hate, and intolerance?

    FYI, it’s spelled “Catholic” and you should learn the difference between “that” and “what”. Then you wouldn’t sound so much like a semi-illiterate delusional fool.

  • malatesting123

    The Pope doesnt really mind all this atheist talk, as long as he gets his monthly serving of Polish baby meat

  • malatesting123

    The Pope doesnt really mind all this atheist talk, as long as he gets his monthly serving of Polish baby meat

  • GoodDoktorBad

    Because the article is about the church, not other child molesting scenarios. Simple.

  • Anonymous

    Because the article is about the church, not other child molesting scenarios. Simple.

  • Vlad

    Man will not be free until the last king is hanged with the entrails of the last priest.

  • Vlad

    Man will not be free until the last king is hanged with the entrails of the last priest.

  • Akteon7733

    We all know pope ratzinger is just causing controversy to cover the truth that the real pope is a rabbit, directly descended from Saint Peter, being protected by the Hair Club for Men. All the promotion of disease, child molestation, and segregation are just extremely evil distractions. He even blamed atheists for the holocaust, pretty ballsy for a former member of the Hitler-Youth. I’m not saying he is the emperor of the sith…but he is totally the emperor of the sith.

  • Akteon7733

    We all know pope ratzinger is just causing controversy to cover the truth that the real pope is a rabbit, directly descended from Saint Peter, being protected by the Hair Club for Men. All the promotion of disease, child molestation, and segregation are just extremely evil distractions. He even blamed atheists for the holocaust, pretty ballsy for a former member of the Hitler-Youth. I’m not saying he is the emperor of the sith…but he is totally the emperor of the sith.

  • Willis

    What you talkin bout fool?

  • Tom@myspace.com

    no, but we sure know a dick when we smell one

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