9/11 Firefighters Reveal Huge Explosions Before Towers Collapsed!

Paul Joseph Watson for InfoWars:

Newly obtained video that was reluctantly released by NIST after a lawsuit by the International Center for 9/11 Studies shows two firefighters on 9/11 discussing how secondary explosions occurred immediately before the collapse of the twin towers, providing damning new evidence that explosive devices were used to bring down the buildings.

Debunkers have repeatedly claimed that low-temperature burning jet fuel could weaken steel support columns enough to cause the pancake-style collapse of the twin towers, ignoring the plethora of eyewitness testimony to incendiary devices having caused the implosion of the World Trade Center structure.

The new tape is as clear cut as it comes – the firefighters, who were inside the lobby of one of the towers, unequivocally state that secondary explosions which occurred after the planes hit were responsible for causing the towers to collapse.

“There was an explosion….the third explosion the whole lobby collapsed on us,” states the firefighter. Asked “was that a secondary explosion,” he responds, “yes it was ….definitely secondary explosion”.

Another firefighter then confirms that there were at least three explosions which caused the lobby to collapse.

The only way to explain what firefighters described as “molten steel, like you’re in a foundary, like lava” being witnessed following the collapse of the towers was if powerful additional incendiary devices were used to take down the buildings.

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  • Chris

    Oh come on! The fireman said “On our way upstairs, the whole f*ckin plane blew.” Even the firefighter said it was the plane. At no point in this video is there mention of incendiary devices. The guy said the plane blew.

    • B P T

      Place. The whole fuckin place blew.

    • JREF is G.O.D.

      No, he said,..”the whole f*cking thing blew..”. Not plane.

    • JREF is G.O.D.

      Actually B P T is correct, he did say ‘place’.

  • Chris

    Oh come on! The fireman said “On our way upstairs, the whole f*ckin plane blew.” Even the firefighter said it was the plane. At no point in this video is there mention of incendiary devices. The guy said the plane blew.

  • Urza9814

    He said it was an explosion. Jet fuel does not explode, it burns. He also clearly states around :45 that there were several explosions unrelated to the plane. Also, there’s the quote at the end: “There may be more. Any one of these fu*kin buildings could blow up.” – he didn’t say there could be more _planes_ crashing into shit…seems like you’d have a decent warning for that…he said that the buildings might just blow up. He sounds 100% convinced that the planes aren’t what did it.

    • Tuna Ghost

      “He sounds 100% convinced that the planes aren’t what did it.”

      That is your impression of a man on a video’s recollection of a traumatic event that he was involved in very recently. Can you understand why people are not convinced by this?

  • Urza9814

    He said it was an explosion. Jet fuel does not explode, it burns. He also clearly states around :45 that there were several explosions unrelated to the plane. Also, there’s the quote at the end: “There may be more. Any one of these fu*kin buildings could blow up.” – he didn’t say there could be more _planes_ crashing into shit…seems like you’d have a decent warning for that…he said that the buildings might just blow up. He sounds 100% convinced that the planes aren’t what did it.

  • B P T

    Place. The whole fuckin place blew.

  • wordup.

    uhhhh these are three men, although trained professionals, that have just escaped a major traumatic event barely with their lives. You would be hearing multiple explosions when an entire building was on fire, and a frigging plane had slammed into it.
    At the precise time this interview was conducted, there was tons of misinformation and false reports floating around. I think I trust the fact that jetliners brought down the buildings as opposed to the ridiculous theory that explosives were planted in multiple buildings by “THEM”.

    • goose

      before you blindly trust that jetliners brought down the buildings, please educate yourself. there wasn’t one building brought down by fire alone in history before 9/11, and on that day three buildings fell due to “fire?” jet fuel can’t burn hot enough to melt steel into lava which was seen at the site. and to those who say conspiracy theories are ridiculous, isn’t the official story also a conspiracy? no black (bright orange rather) boxes found? from four planes? that’s also never happened. no video footage from surveillance cameras at the pentagon? seems like that would have been easy concrete evidence to prove the 9/11 commission’s case. but it was confiscated. research will unfold many more inconsistencies if you take some time to look. i’m an american and i believe in our country and still don’t believe we could be behind it, but the whole truth is not being told. this video clip only further scars the official story.

      • Virgendelavacas
      • Laws456

        Where’s the evidence from the hit on the Pentagon?? NO black boxes, but a passport was found…Does that even make sense?

        • Tuna Ghost

          There is ample evidence of the plane hitting the Pentagon. Aside from the NUMEROUS eye-witness accounts, and the fact that a plane doesn’t just effing vanish out of the sky, the scenario is lucidly explained in detail in many places. Virgendelavacas’s link is one of them. Check it out.

      • Tuna Ghost

        Most (if not all) of the things you claim here are either simply not true, wild exaggerations, or have been explained years ago. Do some actual research. Or see Virgendelavacas’s link, which is of people who have done actual research.

      • Jonjon1324

        How many buildings in history had jets fly into them? Until you answer that, I don’t think you can compare any other burning building in history to these burning buildings. I also don’t think the steel was melted –I believe it was weakened severely though

    • http://www.theamericanbookofthedead.com Henry Baum

      Do you trust the Bush administration? The question isn’t really if the U.S. government did this. It’s if the U.S. government could do this. Looking at the Project for a New American Century and how they required a “Pearl Harbor Event” – regardless if they actually planted bombs, this was something they thought was necessary. And as a result of it, they lied themselves into a war that killed hundreds of thousands and continues to put the entire region and world at risk. These are not trustworthy people.

      You can link to all the truther and debunking sites you want, but accepting the official story is accepting Dick Cheney’s version of the story. And it’s healthier to distrust Dick Cheney than it is blindly accept what neo-cons say – even if, yes, truth-debunking sites have some info that might give you pause. Makes more sense to be open to the idea that the world military industrial complex is shady and in the business of killing people.

      • Tuna Ghost

        “The question isn’t really if the U.S. government did this. It’s if the U.S. government could do this.”

        The question is could the government do this and cover their tracks, to which the answer is very likely “no”. An operation on this scale would involve far too many people and be way to high risk. It would be infinitely cheaper and easier to conceal to simply let one of million dickheads who WANT to do this succeed.

        • Laws456

          But when I hear govt, I don’t think of the lot of them, it’s got to be a few in top levels in govt, in cooperation w/other forces who stood to benefit from this action. A lot of money has been made since that day…

          • Tuna Ghost

            I’ll say again: an operation of this size and complexity would require a lot of people. A lot of people running around doing things in public. Conspiracies are incredibly hard to keep secret, even smaller more innocent ones like Watergate and the like. Something like this would not stay quiet for long.

            Which is why, if the government DID have a hand in 9/11 (which I am very prepared to believe), it was by allowing a plot to advance and succeed. That would take far, far less people and be much easier to deny and would also leave a very small trail that would be infinitely easier to cover up.

          • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

            Agreed…on this point. I’m more inclined to believe betrayal by refusal to act…than active involvement. The oddball timing of exercises that moved fighters out of reach on that day…the apparent unwillingness to move the president to safety until he was finished reading a childrens book, the sudden tweaks to Silverstein’s insurance just months before 9/11…plus a great deal of federal failure to follow key leads (like the describing of the money trail for the hijackers which led back to Pakistan as ‘not consequential’ enough for mention in the 9/11 Commissions report. Cheney’s comments regarding the plane approaching the pentagon.

            Its just too many little things that suggest either a level of incompetence that hasn’t been seen since inbred royalty graced the thrones of Europe…or quiet collusion at the highest levels of power to engineer an event that could justify almost any reaction.

          • Ewop07

            So let me get this straight. 9 Saudi terrorist fly jetliners into World Trade Center Buildings 1 and 2, shortly after, buildings 1, 2, and 7 implode. As a result Bush declares war on Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving Saudi Arabia till today free and clear, the U.S. Government blames it on Saudi Terrorist Osama Bin Laden, a 7ft. tall man strapped to a Kidney Dialysis machine in the Mountains. The only plane allowed in air space after the buildings went down was a private jet which held the Bin Laden family, who were never questioned. Wow! am I living in the fucking Matrix?

          • oman28

            Yeah. I just can’t get my head around a plane causing the tower to fail in the way it did.

          • Tuna Ghost

            For fuck’s sake, if you still think the towers “fell into their own footprint”, or fell at free-fall speed then you’re obviously living in some sort of simulation.

          • Sly

            That is such an assumption that is NOT supported by facts. The truth is miscued as it goes down the pyramid.

            Your talking about supporting facts. That is the worst argument i have ever heard. Obviously EVERYONE in the government was not involved. Only a moron would suggest such a thing.

            But to say it would take too many people. You dont know that. You dont know the power these people hold. Stop making assumptions yourself and asking other people for evidence and facts. Tuna Ghost you just completly made yourself out to be a moron. hope your happy.

          • Tuna Ghost

            Your post references many things that I did not say, so I’m not sure how to respond to them.

            Simply put: yes, an operation like this would take many, many people. Yes, this is supported by history. This is not even questioned by conspiracy theorists, so I don’t know why you’re attempting to discredit it. Whatever power “these people” hold, they can’t do things that are physically impossible. And one can “miscue” the truth as much as one wants but you can’t convince a demolition team setting explosives that they’re not about destroy a building. And after the event occurs, you think they’re still not going to know what they just did?

            And for fuck’s sake, everyone here (unless they were part of the investigation team) is “asking other people for evidence and facts”.

            …wait, you’re like 17 years old, aren’t you? Great. I’m arguing with a teenager. Now we BOTH look stupid.

        • gemmarama

          qui bono?

          always the most important question to ask, and will generally lead you straight to the culprit…

          • Tuna Ghost

            Which is why it is easy to believe that someone or someones ALLOWED one of the million dickheads who want to do this to succeed. It is easier, cheaper, and there is no trail to cover up.

      • ProudRepublican

        at least dick cheney was an american. sure he’s a monster, and a giant douche. but at least he’s an american. the same can’t be said for your golden-boy obama.

        • Andrew

          It’s better to be a monster than to not be an American?

          You’ve just disqualified yourself from making moral arguments or judgments.

        • Rufus_T_Firefly

          Give it up, birther nutjob. Obama was born in America and has the birth certificate to prove it. That you refuse to accept the truth only affirms your party’s aversion to reality. I would even go as far as to say that your opinion officially qualifies you as clown shoes, but that would be an insult to respectable clown shoes everywhere.

          • Sly

            umm no he did not show a birth certificate. What he had shown was deeply flawed and not accepted by any stretch of the imagination.

            Even if all this “conspiracy” stuff is bullshit, which its not the fact that the banks just totally fucked the american public over is ENOUGH for someone to stop defending this corrupt goverment.

            Wake the fuck up people and realize the GOVERNMENT is not your friend as a matter of fact they are quite the opposite.

            But keep defending and supporting those who are destroying your world. It just shows your true character.

          • Glacius83

            Question, If the “GOVERNMENT” is not my friend and cannot be trusted, and the “GOVERNMENT” is a largely random collection of people, should I not trust other large groups of random people? Like the media? Or the internet?

            Which leads to where are you getting your information? Obama’s birth certificate is fake? According to who? According to the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin, Obama’s birth is on record. According to Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Health Department, the birth certificate is authentic.

            Who should I believe? A newspaper article from the day he was born and an authority who’s job it is to verify such documents, or people who hate Obama? You clearly have never stretched your imagination any farther than you need to in order to convince yourself you’re right.

          • Tuna Ghost

            My god are you really trying to say the Disinfo crowd isn’t willing to believe the government isn’t a bastion of morality? Have you ever read this site, or are you just a wandering troglodyte passing through, attracted to the words “9/11″ and “Obama”?

    • http://twitter.com/bidermaier kug khhk bbvbkb

      Debunkers sound more and more delusional these days.
      HAVE YOU REALLY WATCHED THE VIDEO?

      Those firemen didnt sound like they just happened to hear ramdom bombs. But they were victims of a huge explosion, that weakened the structures.

      Discrediting their reports because “911 was very traumatic” is delusional and sad.

      • Laws456

        The truth makes people uncomfortable, especially when it goes against what people want and choose to believe.

        • Tuna Ghost

          Right, we’re unwilling to face the truth because it might mean (GASP) the US government might not have our best interests at heart. Not because you sound like an easily-misled, jump-to-unsupported-conclusions twit.

          Right.

      • Tuna Ghost

        So it’s delusional and sad when the courts and police don’t immediately take the word of trauma victims at face value? Because maybe they’re not in their right mind and their recollection might be a bit colored by the traumatic experiences they just went through?

        These men are not demolition experts, they heard a boom and shit started falling on top of them. Not at all strange, considering the circumstances.

        • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

          Sorry…hate to debunk the trauma theory…but most people in law enforcement and first responder positions are trained to observe events carefully and report them after the fact…even in crisis…which they experience regularly.

          Heck…the state tests for troopers, the tests for medical workers, the tests for first responders…all include memory retention/response speed/accurate judgement testing. I’ve taken a couple…and did alright. (Note: this is also why I firmly believe that cops lie about their state of confusion over events on a regular basis. When they screw up and get caught, they cover for it lamely suggesting that the events were so confusing that they may have acted in haste out of fear for their safety. BS…thats what they’re trained for…and trained hard. When they taze a helpless person…its because they’re douchebags…not because they were scared or confused.)

          Endpoint…after this many conspiracy vs debunker articles…its abundantly clear that no matter what emerges, including a complete and accurate detailed description of the events of that day in a confessional format by the actual persons responsible (if such a thing came to pass)…some people will still stick by rote to insisting that the finding of the 9/11 Commission are the only accurate records and conclusions…mostly because anything else is just too frightening.

          And thats okay…for them. After all…there are still people who are certain that Saddam had nukes and bioterror weapons…and there are still people that believe Nixon was innocent of ordering a coverup regarding Watergate. It works for some people…it keeps their worldview clicking and means all is well with the world. Not for me…but for those who need that comfort, I guess thats okay.

          • Tuna Ghost

            The only relevant part of your reply was the first three sentences, none of which address the fact that vague testimony from people, even first responders, recieved directly after a traumatic experience is treated as “unrealiable” by the courts and law enforcement agencies. The firemen heard a boom. The lobby cieling collapsed. Those are the only “facts” obtainable from the video.

            Why do you still trot out the “you’re just afraid of the truth” argument? Practically everyone here is willing to admit Dick Cheney would eat a baby’s head like an apple if he thought it would get the US in a position to easily obtain cheaper oil prices. I don’t think anyone is afraid of the idea that people in high positions in the US gov’t don’t have the general populace’s best interests at heart, especially here on Disinfo. Get over yourself, guy.

          • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

            Okay to expand on it, succinctly, a large part of what keep this debate raging that LOTS of first responders, eye witnesses, and entirely mentally competent people with video footage from the event itself keep popping up from day one to now saying the exact same things with near perfect clarity.

            Dressing it up as trauma induced mass hallucination is easy from a distance. You and I share a mutual distrust of government and media…but of the two of us, I trust the judgment of the people who heard, saw and recorded things they believe are true…

            …and you don’t.

            Get over yourself…many of these people held it together under terrible circumstances…stop treating them like eldercare patients recovering from a stroke…they may know exactly what they speak of.

          • Tuna Ghost

            …except that despite many, many different cameras being there, there is no recording of an explosion loud enough to topple the towers. An explosion that powerful would register all over the place.

            Once more: the firemen heard a boom. The first-floor ceiling fell in. Those are the facts of their story, everything else is unsubstantiated guessing. I trust the explanations that don’t rely on a conspiracy too large to ever be covered up and demolition materials that don’t exist yet.

          • Glacius83

            I refuse to think I can find the truth based on what someone believes. I’m sure alot of people believe they saw explosions. I’m sure alot of people believe they understand how buildings collapse. Some people believe a guy rose from the dead. Other believe they’ve seen aliens. Some people believe in psychics. Good for them. I want a non-emotional look at the evidence without already having a belief as to what happened. I’m not seeing that from 9/11 conspiracy theories.

            Yes, they heard an explosion. I do not doubt that. Did they see explosives? Did they see anything that could indicate what caused the explosion? Doesn’t sound like it. So what have we learned? Fire fighters heard an explosion. There is no way I can get from here to “Terrorists planted bombs.” This is of course excluding other evidence.

            So, when did they plant it? Where did they plant it? How did they get in?

            It is possible that explosives could have taken down the building. It is also possible that the planes could have. So where is the evidence for the bombs over the planes?

          • destructoid

            http://www.myspace.com/911illusion/photos/albums/album/14174

            This is not a non emotional look, but you can begin here and do your own research.
            7 years ago I was appalled when I heard people saying that 9/11 was an inside job. So I didn’t just say that they were all crazy and asked for a non-biased opinion, because you won’t get that. I began looking into it on my own. I believed the towers were hit by terrorists. I can’t say the same today.

            Don’t wait for somebody to try to sway your opinion, formulate your own

          • Glacius83

            It may be non emotional but it’s only a few bits of evidence that highlight the conspiracy argument. A few things that they did not mention, and that I have yet to hear explained by the conspiracy side, is office furniture and supplies. I realize that jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel. Also, it would burn up rather quickly. But, the building was not empty. It contains chairs, computers, and several other combustibles. At what temperature does this material burn? And the steel does not need to melt to make the building collapse. Heat, even a heat lower than melting, will cause the structure to loose structural integrity.

            Also, there was one picture of a steel beam cut and melted metal. When was the picture taken? What evidence is there that it is melted steel? What other examples are presented to show that explosives were used?

            Over all the images show a few key pieces of evidence that surmise the conspiracy theory. They provide little context or explanation. In order to prove their argument more evidence will need to be provided.

            I have researched this topic. Most of the unknowns are the result of never before observing something like this. Those unknowns are the only evidence I have ever seen presented by the conspiracy theorists.

            And looking into something on your own is very dangerous. At first I was swayed by the evidence that it was an inside job. But the holes are too big. Who planned this? How did they pull it off? No one talked? No one? Not impossible but very difficult. The theory is standing on a few flimsy pieces of evidence and a strong emotional belief. They should be able to do better.

          • Ewop07

            It’s plain and simple, these dumb ass mother fuckers who believe those buildings were taken down by 2 jet liners, and some left over fire brought down building 7 which is over 200 ft. from buildings 1 and 2 but didn’t bring down any of the other surrounding buildings, I know, I worked in building 1, are living in the MATRIX.

        • gemmarama

          dude, all i know is my dad was a fireman, and those guys know what they’re fucking doing. they have had to handle situations you couldn’t even get your head round, in terms of both “trauma” and technical expertise. if you can haul burning children outta buildings and cut folk out of car wrecks on a daily basis, a burning office block is not gonna significantly phase you. and yes, they know a thing or two about demolition. my dad was frequently called up to court to give expert evidence in insurance fraud cases, etc., as he could tell just by looking at it whether a building was destroyed by an accidental fire or by deliberate effort.

          plus i’d trust a fireman’s word over a politicians any day…

          • Weez

            and here lies the root of the problem.
            people can scream and cry conspiracy all they want, the truth is that we will never know the truth.
            if you want to tell me that you think the government blew up the world trade center and killed some 3000 innocent civilians, go ahead. but when you’re done telling me that, can you please tell my why you still support that government? why you continue to let that sh*t slide instead of demanding some proof? in reality, any one who says ‘conspiracy’, and continues to pay their taxes is a hypocrite. IF it was a conspiracy, where do you think ‘they’ got the money for the said coverup? payoffs to keep firemen and policemen don’t come cheap i’ll bet.

          • gemmarama

            firstly, i live in the UK.

            secondly, i don’t support any government. i’m not on the electoral role, i don’t have a bank account, i avoid paying as many taxes as i can (quite easy when you’re under the radar), and i’ve never claimed a benefit in my life. i want nothing to do with the straight world.

            sometimes i feel like i’m the only person alive who sticks by their principles.

  • wordup.

    uhhhh these are three men, although trained professionals, that have just escaped a major traumatic event barely with their lives. You would be hearing multiple explosions when an entire building was on fire, and a frigging plane had slammed into it.
    At the precise time this interview was conducted, there was tons of misinformation and false reports floating around. I think I trust the fact that jetliners brought down the buildings as opposed to the ridiculous theory that explosives were planted in multiple buildings by “THEM”.

  • goose

    before you blindly trust that jetliners brought down the buildings, please educate yourself. there wasn’t one building brought down by fire alone in history before 9/11, and on that day three buildings fell due to “fire?” jet fuel can’t burn hot enough to melt steel into lava which was seen at the site. and to those who say conspiracy theories are ridiculous, isn’t the official story also a conspiracy? no black (bright orange rather) boxes found? from four planes? that’s also never happened. no video footage from surveillance cameras at the pentagon? seems like that would have been easy concrete evidence to prove the 9/11 commission’s case. but it was confiscated. research will unfold many more inconsistencies if you take some time to look. i’m an american and i believe in our country and still don’t believe we could be behind it, but the whole truth is not being told. this video clip only further scars the official story.

  • Virgendelavacas

    It’s not like it could have been exploding transformers or anything, which they usually have several of in those types of buildings… Nope, had to have been bombs.

    • Tuna Ghost

      God, thank you.

    • http://twitter.com/bidermaier kug khhk bbvbkb

      Exploding transformers? Transformers that blast whole sectors in buildings?
      So these kind of buildings were not allowed to have gas installations because, you know, it would be dangerous. But hey superexploding transformers are OK!!!!.
      I bet the exploding transformers were built with the same kind of technology that was used to make the single bullet that was shoot to Kenedy!

      This is what I mean when I say that “debunkers” sound more and more delusional these days.

    • Ewop07

      I’m a World Trade Center Survivor who was born and raised in NYC, Brooklyn to be exact. I worked in Building 1. People like you who are so brain-washed by the government that you feel all the Firefighters, Engineers, demolition experts, which my father was, and I witnesses like myself, are somehow imagining all this stuff, make me sick to my knees. You are a complete ASS.

      • IthroZada

        One thing to consider, is that eye witness evidence, without measurement, recordings, and testing, is the weakest form of evidence to a scientist. So, yes, plenty of people can remark that a loud sound was an explosion. I’d rather not rely on evidence that is entirely based on whether people were in the right state of mind during a very scary and panicking moment. I certainly wouldn’t call these peoples liars, I very much feel they are telling the truth as they know it, but whether what they observed was correct is the question. From what I have seen, empirical studies have shown the towers could have collapsed as the official story explains it. The only way to explain that would be to call the engineers and demolition experts who have tested this liars, but that would be jumping to conclusions without empirical evidence.

  • Virgendelavacas

    It’s not like it could have been exploding transformers or anything, which they usually have several of in those types of buildings… Nope, had to have been bombs.

  • Virgendelavacas
  • http://www.theamericanbookofthedead.com Henry Baum

    Do you trust the Bush administration? The question isn’t really if the U.S. government did this. It’s if the U.S. government could do this. Looking at the Project for a New American Century and how they required a “Pearl Harbor Event” – regardless if they actually planted bombs, this was something they thought was necessary. And as a result of it, they lied themselves into a war that killed hundreds of thousands and continues to put the entire region and world at risk. These are not trustworthy people.

    You can link to all the truther and debunking sites you want, but accepting the official story is accepting Dick Cheney’s version of the story. And it’s healthier to distrust Dick Cheney than it is blindly accept what neo-cons say – even if, yes, truth-debunking sites have some info that might give you pause. Makes more sense to be open to the idea that the world military industrial complex is shady and in the business of killing people.

  • Tuna Ghost

    “The question isn’t really if the U.S. government did this. It’s if the U.S. government could do this.”

    The question is could the government do this and cover their tracks, to which the answer is very likely “no”. An operation on this scale would involve far too many people and be way to high risk. It would be infinitely cheaper and easier to conceal to simply let one of million dickheads who WANT to do this succeed.

  • Tuna Ghost

    God, thank you.

  • http://twitter.com/bidermaier kug khhk bbvbkb

    Debunkers sound more and more delusional these days.
    HAVE YOU REALLY WATCHED THE VIDEO?

    Those firemen didnt sound like they just happened to hear ramdom bombs. But they were victims of a huge explosion, that weakened the structures.

    Discrediting their reports because “911 was very traumatic” is delusional and sad.

  • Anonymous

    The truth makes people uncomfortable, especially when it goes against what people want and choose to believe.

  • Anonymous

    But when I hear govt, I don’t think of the lot of them, it’s got to be a few in top levels in govt, in cooperation w/other forces who stood to benefit from this action. A lot of money has been made since that day…

  • Anonymous

    Where’s the evidence from the hit on the Pentagon?? NO black boxes, but a passport was found…Does that even make sense?

  • http://twitter.com/bidermaier kug khhk bbvbkb

    Exploding transformers? Transformers that blast whole sectors in buildings?
    So these kind of buildings were not allowed to have gas installations because, you know, it would be dangerous. But hey superexploding transformers are OK!!!!.
    I bet the exploding transformers were built with the same kind of technology that was used to make the single bullet that was shoot to Kenedy!

    This is what I mean when I say that “debunkers” sound more and more delusional these days.

  • Tuna Ghost

    So it’s delusional and sad when the courts and police don’t immediately take the word of trauma victims at face value? Because maybe they’re not in their right mind and their recollection might be a bit colored by the traumatic experiences they just went through?

    These men are not demolition experts, they heard a boom and shit started falling on top of them. Not at all strange, considering the circumstances.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Right, we’re unwilling to face the truth because it might mean (GASP) the US government might not have our best interests at heart. Not because you sound like an easily-misled, jump-to-unsupported-conclusions twit.

    Right.

  • Tuna Ghost

    I’ll say again: an operation of this size and complexity would require a lot of people. A lot of people running around doing things in public. Conspiracies are incredibly hard to keep secret, even smaller more innocent ones like Watergate and the like. Something like this would not stay quiet for long.

    Which is why, if the government DID have a hand in 9/11 (which I am very prepared to believe), it was by allowing a plot to advance and succeed. That would take far, far less people and be much easier to deny and would also leave a very small trail that would be infinitely easier to cover up.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Most (if not all) of the things you claim here are either simply not true, wild exaggerations, or have been explained years ago. Do some actual research. Or see Virgendelavacas’s link, which is of people who have done actual research.

  • Tuna Ghost

    There is ample evidence of the plane hitting the Pentagon. Aside from the NUMEROUS eye-witness accounts, and the fact that a plane doesn’t just effing vanish out of the sky, the scenario is lucidly explained in detail in many places. Virgendelavacas’s link is one of them. Check it out.

  • Tuna Ghost

    “He sounds 100% convinced that the planes aren’t what did it.”

    That is your impression of a man on a video’s recollection of a traumatic event that he was involved in very recently. Can you understand why people are not convinced by this?

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Sorry…hate to debunk the trauma theory…but most people in law enforcement and first responder positions are trained to observe events carefully and report them after the fact…even in crisis…which they experience regularly.

    Heck…the state tests for troopers, the tests for medical workers, the tests for first responders…all include memory retention/response speed/accurate judgement testing. I’ve taken a couple…and did alright. (Note: this is also why I firmly believe that cops lie about their state of confusion over events on a regular basis. When they screw up and get caught, they cover for it lamely suggesting that the events were so confusing that they may have acted in haste out of fear for their safety. BS…thats what they’re trained for…and trained hard. When they taze a helpless person…its because they’re douchebags…not because they were scared or confused.)

    Endpoint…after this many conspiracy vs debunker articles…its abundantly clear that no matter what emerges, including a complete and accurate detailed description of the events of that day in a confessional format by the actual persons responsible (if such a thing came to pass)…some people will still stick by rote to insisting that the finding of the 9/11 Commission are the only accurate records and conclusions…mostly because anything else is just too frightening.

    And thats okay…for them. After all…there are still people who are certain that Saddam had nukes and bioterror weapons…and there are still people that believe Nixon was innocent of ordering a coverup regarding Watergate. It works for some people…it keeps their worldview clicking and means all is well with the world. Not for me…but for those who need that comfort, I guess thats okay.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Agreed…on this point. I’m more inclined to believe betrayal by refusal to act…than active involvement. The oddball timing of exercises that moved fighters out of reach on that day…the apparent unwillingness to move the president to safety until he was finished reading a childrens book, the sudden tweaks to Silverstein’s insurance just months before 9/11…plus a great deal of federal failure to follow key leads (like the describing of the money trail for the hijackers which led back to Pakistan as ‘not consequential’ enough for mention in the 9/11 Commissions report. Cheney’s comments regarding the plane approaching the pentagon.

    Its just too many little things that suggest either a level of incompetence that hasn’t been seen since inbred royalty graced the thrones of Europe…or quiet collusion at the highest levels of power to engineer an event that could justify almost any reaction.

  • Tuna Ghost

    The only relevant part of your reply was the first three sentences, none of which address the fact that vague testimony from people, even first responders, recieved directly after a traumatic experience is treated as “unrealiable” by the courts and law enforcement agencies. The firemen heard a boom. The lobby cieling collapsed. Those are the only “facts” obtainable from the video.

    Why do you still trot out the “you’re just afraid of the truth” argument? Practically everyone here is willing to admit Dick Cheney would eat a baby’s head like an apple if he thought it would get the US in a position to easily obtain cheaper oil prices. I don’t think anyone is afraid of the idea that people in high positions in the US gov’t don’t have the general populace’s best interests at heart, especially here on Disinfo. Get over yourself, guy.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Okay to expand on it, succinctly, a large part of what keep this debate raging that LOTS of first responders, eye witnesses, and entirely mentally competent people with video footage from the event itself keep popping up from day one to now saying the exact same things with near perfect clarity.

    Dressing it up as trauma induced mass hallucination is easy from a distance. You and I share a mutual distrust of government and media…but of the two of us, I trust the judgment of the people who heard, saw and recorded things they believe are true…

    …and you don’t.

    Get over yourself…many of these people held it together under terrible circumstances…stop treating them like eldercare patients recovering from a stroke…they may know exactly what they speak of.

  • Ewop07

    I’m a World Trade Center Survivor who was born and raised in NYC, Brooklyn to be exact. I worked in Building 1. People like you who are so brain-washed by the government that you feel all the Firefighters, Engineers, demolition experts, which my father was, and I witnesses like myself, are somehow imagining all this stuff, make me sick to my knees. You are a complete ASS.

  • Ewop07

    It’s plain and simple, these dumb ass mother fuckers who believe those buildings were taken down by 2 jet liners, and some left over fire brought down building 7 which is over 200 ft. from buildings 1 and 2 but didn’t bring down any of the other surrounding buildings, I know, I worked in building 1, are living in the MATRIX.

  • Tuna Ghost

    …except that despite many, many different cameras being there, there is no recording of an explosion loud enough to topple the towers. An explosion that powerful would register all over the place.

    Once more: the firemen heard a boom. The first-floor ceiling fell in. Those are the facts of their story, everything else is unsubstantiated guessing. I trust the explanations that don’t rely on a conspiracy too large to ever be covered up and demolition materials that don’t exist yet.

  • Ewop07

    So let me get this straight. 9 Saudi terrorist fly jetliners into World Trade Center Buildings 1 and 2, shortly after, buildings 1, 2, and 7 implode. As a result Bush declares war on Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving Saudi Arabia till today free and clear, the U.S. Government blames it on Saudi Terrorist Osama Bin Laden, a 7ft. tall man strapped to a Kidney Dialysis machine in the Mountains. The only plane allowed in air space after the buildings went down was a private jet which held the Bin Laden family, who were never questioned. Wow! am I living in the fucking Matrix?

  • gemmarama

    dude, all i know is my dad was a fireman, and those guys know what they’re fucking doing. they have had to handle situations you couldn’t even get your head round, in terms of both “trauma” and technical expertise. if you can haul burning children outta buildings and cut folk out of car wrecks on a daily basis, a burning office block is not gonna significantly phase you. and yes, they know a thing or two about demolition. my dad was frequently called up to court to give expert evidence in insurance fraud cases, etc., as he could tell just by looking at it whether a building was destroyed by an accidental fire or by deliberate effort.

    plus i’d trust a fireman’s word over a politicians any day…

  • gemmarama

    qui bono?

    always the most important question to ask, and will generally lead you straight to the culprit…

  • IthroZada

    One thing to consider, is that eye witness evidence, without measurement, recordings, and testing, is the weakest form of evidence to a scientist. So, yes, plenty of people can remark that a loud sound was an explosion. I’d rather not rely on evidence that is entirely based on whether people were in the right state of mind during a very scary and panicking moment. I certainly wouldn’t call these peoples liars, I very much feel they are telling the truth as they know it, but whether what they observed was correct is the question. From what I have seen, empirical studies have shown the towers could have collapsed as the official story explains it. The only way to explain that would be to call the engineers and demolition experts who have tested this liars, but that would be jumping to conclusions without empirical evidence.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah. I just can’t get my head around a plane causing the tower to fail in the way it did.

  • Weez

    and here lies the root of the problem.
    people can scream and cry conspiracy all they want, the truth is that we will never know the truth.
    if you want to tell me that you think the government blew up the world trade center and killed some 3000 innocent civilians, go ahead. but when you’re done telling me that, can you please tell my why you still support that government? why you continue to let that sh*t slide instead of demanding some proof? in reality, any one who says ‘conspiracy’, and continues to pay their taxes is a hypocrite. IF it was a conspiracy, where do you think ‘they’ got the money for the said coverup? payoffs to keep firemen and policemen don’t come cheap i’ll bet.

  • ProudRepublican

    at least dick cheney was an american. sure he’s a monster, and a giant douche. but at least he’s an american. the same can’t be said for your golden-boy obama.

  • Andrew

    It’s better to be a monster than to not be an American?

    You’ve just disqualified yourself from making moral arguments or judgments.

  • Jonjon1324

    How many buildings in history had jets fly into them? Until you answer that, I don’t think you can compare any other burning building in history to these burning buildings. I also don’t think the steel was melted –I believe it was weakened severely though

  • Poewen_ski_11

    Poorly written with incendiary adjectives in an attempt to whip us into a fury. The left has propaganda too, based on just as few facts as the right.

  • Poewen_ski_11

    Poorly written with incendiary adjectives in an attempt to whip us into a fury. The left has propaganda too, based on just as few facts as the right.

  • Anonymous

    Give it up, birther nutjob. Obama was born in America and has the birth certificate to prove it. That you refuse to accept the truth only affirms your party’s aversion to reality. I would even go as far as to say that your opinion officially qualifies you as clown shoes, but that would be an insult to respectable clown shoes everywhere.

  • Glacius83

    I refuse to think I can find the truth based on what someone believes. I’m sure alot of people believe they saw explosions. I’m sure alot of people believe they understand how buildings collapse. Some people believe a guy rose from the dead. Other believe they’ve seen aliens. Some people believe in psychics. Good for them. I want a non-emotional look at the evidence without already having a belief as to what happened. I’m not seeing that from 9/11 conspiracy theories.

    Yes, they heard an explosion. I do not doubt that. Did they see explosives? Did they see anything that could indicate what caused the explosion? Doesn’t sound like it. So what have we learned? Fire fighters heard an explosion. There is no way I can get from here to “Terrorists planted bombs.” This is of course excluding other evidence.

    So, when did they plant it? Where did they plant it? How did they get in?

    It is possible that explosives could have taken down the building. It is also possible that the planes could have. So where is the evidence for the bombs over the planes?

  • gemmarama

    firstly, i live in the UK.

    secondly, i don’t support any government. i’m not on the electoral role, i don’t have a bank account, i avoid paying as many taxes as i can (quite easy when you’re under the radar), and i’ve never claimed a benefit in my life. i want nothing to do with the straight world.

    sometimes i feel like i’m the only person alive who sticks by their principles.

  • Sly

    umm no he did not show a birth certificate. What he had shown was deeply flawed and not accepted by any stretch of the imagination.

    Even if all this “conspiracy” stuff is bullshit, which its not the fact that the banks just totally fucked the american public over is ENOUGH for someone to stop defending this corrupt goverment.

    Wake the fuck up people and realize the GOVERNMENT is not your friend as a matter of fact they are quite the opposite.

    But keep defending and supporting those who are destroying your world. It just shows your true character.

  • Sly

    That is such an assumption that is NOT supported by facts. The truth is miscued as it goes down the pyramid.

    Your talking about supporting facts. That is the worst argument i have ever heard. Obviously EVERYONE in the government was not involved. Only a moron would suggest such a thing.

    But to say it would take too many people. You dont know that. You dont know the power these people hold. Stop making assumptions yourself and asking other people for evidence and facts. Tuna Ghost you just completly made yourself out to be a moron. hope your happy.

  • SINCERELY PETE

    Thats a scary picture you are watching there, nice clear day, clean flowers, clean fire trucks, when did these actors film this? they would have to be 5 miles from ground zero to escape all that dust it would be at least three inches thick, wake up people, and is that a plane we hear over head, as this is being filmed, you people will believe what ever you see, can we get any documentation, who these firemen are? its all very sad

    • JREF is G.O.D.

      Obviously they are covered with dust from the lobbies exploding, but this is BEFORE the buildings were demolished, thus the statement,..”anyone of these f*cking buildings could blow up..”. And yes, that is what you hear overhead, it’s one of the jet fighters that showed up (coincidentally) shortly after the second plane impacted.

  • SINCERELY PETE

    Thats a scary picture you are watching there, nice clear day, clean flowers, clean fire trucks, when did these actors film this? they would have to be 5 miles from ground zero to escape all that dust it would be at least three inches thick, wake up people, and is that a plane we hear over head, as this is being filmed, you people will believe what ever you see, can we get any documentation, who these firemen are? its all very sad

  • destructoid

    http://www.myspace.com/911illusion/photos/albums/album/14174

    This is not a non emotional look, but you can begin here and do your own research.
    7 years ago I was appalled when I heard people saying that 9/11 was an inside job. So I didn’t just say that they were all crazy and asked for a non-biased opinion, because you won’t get that. I began looking into it on my own. I believed the towers were hit by terrorists. I can’t say the same today.

    Don’t wait for somebody to try to sway your opinion, formulate your own

  • Glacius83

    It may be non emotional but it’s only a few bits of evidence that highlight the conspiracy argument. A few things that they did not mention, and that I have yet to hear explained by the conspiracy side, is office furniture and supplies. I realize that jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel. Also, it would burn up rather quickly. But, the building was not empty. It contains chairs, computers, and several other combustibles. At what temperature does this material burn? And the steel does not need to melt to make the building collapse. Heat, even a heat lower than melting, will cause the structure to loose structural integrity.

    Also, there was one picture of a steel beam cut and melted metal. When was the picture taken? What evidence is there that it is melted steel? What other examples are presented to show that explosives were used?

    Over all the images show a few key pieces of evidence that surmise the conspiracy theory. They provide little context or explanation. In order to prove their argument more evidence will need to be provided.

    I have researched this topic. Most of the unknowns are the result of never before observing something like this. Those unknowns are the only evidence I have ever seen presented by the conspiracy theorists.

    And looking into something on your own is very dangerous. At first I was swayed by the evidence that it was an inside job. But the holes are too big. Who planned this? How did they pull it off? No one talked? No one? Not impossible but very difficult. The theory is standing on a few flimsy pieces of evidence and a strong emotional belief. They should be able to do better.

  • Glacius83

    Question, If the “GOVERNMENT” is not my friend and cannot be trusted, and the “GOVERNMENT” is a largely random collection of people, should I not trust other large groups of random people? Like the media? Or the internet?

    Which leads to where are you getting your information? Obama’s birth certificate is fake? According to who? According to the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin, Obama’s birth is on record. According to Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Health Department, the birth certificate is authentic.

    Who should I believe? A newspaper article from the day he was born and an authority who’s job it is to verify such documents, or people who hate Obama? You clearly have never stretched your imagination any farther than you need to in order to convince yourself you’re right.

  • Tuna Ghost

    For fuck’s sake, if you still think the towers “fell into their own footprint”, or fell at free-fall speed then you’re obviously living in some sort of simulation.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Your post references many things that I did not say, so I’m not sure how to respond to them.

    Simply put: yes, an operation like this would take many, many people. Yes, this is supported by history. This is not even questioned by conspiracy theorists, so I don’t know why you’re attempting to discredit it. Whatever power “these people” hold, they can’t do things that are physically impossible. And one can “miscue” the truth as much as one wants but you can’t convince a demolition team setting explosives that they’re not about destroy a building. And after the event occurs, you think they’re still not going to know what they just did?

    And for fuck’s sake, everyone here (unless they were part of the investigation team) is “asking other people for evidence and facts”.

    …wait, you’re like 17 years old, aren’t you? Great. I’m arguing with a teenager. Now we BOTH look stupid.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Which is why it is easy to believe that someone or someones ALLOWED one of the million dickheads who want to do this to succeed. It is easier, cheaper, and there is no trail to cover up.

  • Tuna Ghost

    My god are you really trying to say the Disinfo crowd isn’t willing to believe the government isn’t a bastion of morality? Have you ever read this site, or are you just a wandering troglodyte passing through, attracted to the words “9/11″ and “Obama”?

  • JREF is G.O.D.

    Let’s just forget the dozens of pieces of footage that CLEARLY show cutter charges, as well as innumerable isolated explosions, some quite large, throughout the building from the time of the impacts (and even before, see ‘The Explosive Reality’ at 6:15 mark, watch the impacted face of the building and not the approaching plane), up until the moment of their explosive demolition. I don’t think there were that many transformers, and I’m almost positive that video cameras and microphones don’t suffer from the effects of trauma. Also someone posted here that there were no sounds of explosions??? It SOUNDS like you need to do a little more investigating, my friend! (oops, I’ll get attacked for that, because I’m not the db’ers friend, so sorry!) Db’ers say there was no proof of explosions until you show them audio & video proof, then it’s, “Well those look & sound like they COULD be explosions, but you’ve got no REAL proof!” So undeniable proof of sulfur & thermite (which could only have come from a thermite reaction, and not gypsum board!, this has also been proven) residue in the dust is found & documented by independent sources. And btw I’ve read the NIST thermal expansion b.s. & the other b.s. reports before it that trying to explain obvious controlled demolitions through other conventional means (fires, diesel fuel,ect.), and that’s just what they are..b.s.! And before the db’ers start going on about questions like..So then why didn’t the hi-jackers just use uzis and take over the planes if the government was behind it? Why wimpy box cutters? Well, because I still think it’s about impossible (even before 9-11) to smuggle uzis through the terminal undetected, and they won’t let you carry those things on. My point being that it would have been too visible and too easy to thwart. So then it’s onto…then what happened to the people and/or the original flights? Who planted the explosions and how could they have done so unnoticed? And why would they possibly do this to their own people? And do you know how long it would’ve taken to rig those buildings? And how much explosives it would have taken? And do you know how many people would’ve had to have been in on it? And on?…and on?…and on?..ad nauseum !! So let me stop you before hand and admit I DON’T KNOW!!!, and it would be irresponsible for me to speculate, that’s why I’m not going to & why I’m supporting a new and independent investigation be done, to try and find those things out! What I do know is that those were controlled demolitions, all 3 of them,and we’ll have to go from there, that’s all I can tell you. And if I did know any of these things personally, I wouldn’t be posting here..because I’d be dead! Oh, correction, i would have already committed ‘suicide’! And I know as soon as I post this 10 db’ers (at least) will be feverishly replying, quoting what I said and that it’s wrong, and I’m a tin-foil hat wearing batcrapcrazy psycho that has an I.Q. of 75 and is obviously mentally ill!, and that since I didn’t go to the trouble of posting little links to prove what I’ve said that I’m crazy and full of it, or attacking my grammar & spelling, or even me personally, even though we’ve never met! All I can say is have at it!!, I’m thick-skinned, and am not going to be dissuaded from the obvious truth just because you ‘say so’ or make fun of me. No one held my hand through my investigation into it (I started out as a db’er btw) and I’m not going to hold yours. I’ll only say that all this info is easy to find if you look for it, and if you choose not to believe the research of others, well then that’s up to you. I don’t believe a lot of the research of others that I’ve come across either. But I’m respectful of others opinions even if I don’t agree with it, and that’s more than I can say for 95+% of the db’ers I’ve encountered. So let me finish (& I know, thank god!) by saying happy hunting & and peace be with you (it’s with me now), no matter which side of the debate you’re on!

  • JREF is G.O.D.

    Let’s just forget the dozens of pieces of footage that CLEARLY show cutter charges, as well as innumerable isolated explosions, some quite large, throughout the building from the time of the impacts (and even before, see ‘The Explosive Reality’ at 6:15 mark, watch the impacted face of the building and not the approaching plane), up until the moment of their explosive demolition. I don’t think there were that many transformers, and I’m almost positive that video cameras and microphones don’t suffer from the effects of trauma. Also someone posted here that there were no sounds of explosions??? It SOUNDS like you need to do a little more investigating, my friend! (oops, I’ll get attacked for that, because I’m not the db’ers friend, so sorry!) Db’ers say there was no proof of explosions until you show them audio & video proof, then it’s, “Well those look & sound like they COULD be explosions, but you’ve got no REAL proof!” So undeniable proof of sulfur & thermite (which could only have come from a thermite reaction, and not gypsum board!, this has also been proven) residue in the dust is found & documented by independent sources. And btw I’ve read the NIST thermal expansion b.s. & the other b.s. reports before it that trying to explain obvious controlled demolitions through other conventional means (fires, diesel fuel,ect.), and that’s just what they are..b.s.! And before the db’ers start going on about questions like..So then why didn’t the hi-jackers just use uzis and take over the planes if the government was behind it? Why wimpy box cutters? Well, because I still think it’s about impossible (even before 9-11) to smuggle uzis through the terminal undetected, and they won’t let you carry those things on. My point being that it would have been too visible and too easy to thwart. So then it’s onto…then what happened to the people and/or the original flights? Who planted the explosions and how could they have done so unnoticed? And why would they possibly do this to their own people? And do you know how long it would’ve taken to rig those buildings? And how much explosives it would have taken? And do you know how many people would’ve had to have been in on it? And on?…and on?…and on?..ad nauseum !! So let me stop you before hand and admit I DON’T KNOW!!!, and it would be irresponsible for me to speculate, that’s why I’m not going to & why I’m supporting a new and independent investigation be done, to try and find those things out! What I do know is that those were controlled demolitions, all 3 of them,and we’ll have to go from there, that’s all I can tell you. And if I did know any of these things personally, I wouldn’t be posting here..because I’d be dead! Oh, correction, i would have already committed ‘suicide’! And I know as soon as I post this 10 db’ers (at least) will be feverishly replying, quoting what I said and that it’s wrong, and I’m a tin-foil hat wearing batcrapcrazy psycho that has an I.Q. of 75 and is obviously mentally ill!, and that since I didn’t go to the trouble of posting little links to prove what I’ve said that I’m crazy and full of it, or attacking my grammar & spelling, or even me personally, even though we’ve never met! All I can say is have at it!!, I’m thick-skinned, and am not going to be dissuaded from the obvious truth just because you ‘say so’ or make fun of me. No one held my hand through my investigation into it (I started out as a db’er btw) and I’m not going to hold yours. I’ll only say that all this info is easy to find if you look for it, and if you choose not to believe the research of others, well then that’s up to you. I don’t believe a lot of the research of others that I’ve come across either. But I’m respectful of others opinions even if I don’t agree with it, and that’s more than I can say for 95+% of the db’ers I’ve encountered. So let me finish (& I know, thank god!) by saying happy hunting & and peace be with you (it’s with me now), no matter which side of the debate you’re on!

  • JREF is G.O.D.

    No, he said,..”the whole f*cking thing blew..”. Not plane.

  • JREF is G.O.D.

    Actually B P T is correct, he did say ‘place’.

  • JREF is G.O.D.

    Obviously they are covered with dust from the lobbies exploding, but this is BEFORE the buildings were demolished, thus the statement,..”anyone of these f*cking buildings could blow up..”. And yes, that is what you hear overhead, it’s one of the jet fighters that showed up (coincidentally) shortly after the second plane impacted.