End of the Earth Postponed

palenqueOr maybe it’s already happened.  LiveScience reports:

It’s a good news/bad news situation for believers in the 2012 Mayan apocalypse. The good news is that the Mayan “Long Count” calendar may not end on Dec. 21, 2012 (and, by extension, the world may not end along with it). The bad news for prophecy believers? If the calendar doesn’t end in December 2012, no one knows when it actually will — or if it has already.

A new critique, published as a chapter in the new textbook “Calendars and Years II: Astronomy and Time in the Ancient and Medieval World” (Oxbow Books, 2010), argues that the accepted conversions of dates from Mayan to the modern calendar may be off by as much as 50 or 100 years. That would throw the supposed and overhyped 2012 apocalypse off by decades and cast into doubt the dates of historical Mayan events. (The doomsday worries are based on the fact that the Mayan calendar ends in 2012, much as our year ends on Dec. 31.)

The Mayan calendar was converted to today’s Gregorian calendar using a calculation called the GMT constant, named for the last initials of three early Mayanist researchers. Much of the work emphasized dates recovered from colonial documents that were written in the Mayan language in the Latin alphabet, according to the chapter’s author, Gerardo Aldana, University of California, Santa Barbara professor of Chicana and Chicano Studies.

Read more here.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/winterisoverrated Fabian_Ramos

    yeeeeeaaaugh!

  • http://www.myspace.com/santosramos Fabian_Ramos

    yeeeeeaaaugh!

  • http://twitter.com/Facinus Josh Crook

    Well geeze now what a big surprise this is.

  • http://twitter.com/Facinus Josh Crook

    Well geeze now what a big surprise this is.

  • http://joenolan.com/blog Joe Nolan

    This is just a conspiracy to make us all think the world isn’t ending. Which, of course, is one of the signs of the end of the world!

    Life is but a dream. Row. Row. Row.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=693815840 Joe Nolan

    This is just a conspiracy to make us all think the world isn’t ending. Which, of course, is one of the signs of the end of the world!

    Life is but a dream. Row. Row. Row.

  • Hadrian999

    im sure it’ll be just as great as the last several times the world was going to end

  • Hadrian999

    im sure it’ll be just as great as the last several times the world was going to end

  • GoodDoktorBad

    Instead, we all have to live together in this earthly self-made hell forever.

    You will not be allowed to die…LOL

  • Anonymous

    Instead, we all have to live together in this earthly self-made hell forever.

    You will not be allowed to die…LOL

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Sometimes I suspect all the shifting dates are just an attempt to toll out the mind-blowing “End-of-the-World” sex orgies.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Sometimes I suspect all the shifting dates are just an attempt to toll out the mind-blowing “End-of-the-World” sex orgies.

  • Rohatsu

    Or if you go by Calleman’s work the headline would read
    “End of the Earth: Sooner Than Anticipated”

  • Rohatsu

    Or if you go by Calleman’s work the headline would read
    “End of the Earth: Sooner Than Anticipated”

  • Haystack

    Also, the Mayans themselves don’t have any belief that the world is supposed to end when their calendar cycles out.

  • Haystack

    Also, the Mayans themselves don’t have any belief that the world is supposed to end when their calendar cycles out.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Awww…whatsa matter? The date getting too close again? I’ve been conscious of “end of the world” theories and claims for almost thirty years. I was supposed to have witnessed the end of the world almost every other year for the last three decades…from nuclear fire to commie armies to avenging angels or Rapture…from boiling oceans and super volcanos…one after another the dates keep moving back a little at a time. Something about a free ticket out of having to live with the consequences of our actions has a longterm appeal that just can’t be beat.

    Just once I’d love a prophecy that says “And it shall come to pass that while sitting on their asses bitching about the coming end of the world, the world abided, but was shitty because no one took care of anything while they were waiting for the end…poor suckers.”

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Awww…whatsa matter? The date getting too close again? I’ve been conscious of “end of the world” theories and claims for almost thirty years. I was supposed to have witnessed the end of the world almost every other year for the last three decades…from nuclear fire to commie armies to avenging angels or Rapture…from boiling oceans and super volcanos…one after another the dates keep moving back a little at a time. Something about a free ticket out of having to live with the consequences of our actions has a longterm appeal that just can’t be beat.

    Just once I’d love a prophecy that says “And it shall come to pass that while sitting on their asses bitching about the coming end of the world, the world abided, but was shitty because no one took care of anything while they were waiting for the end…poor suckers.”

  • Laureandreu

    If you are interested in what the REAL maya have to say about the 2012 date, i would strongly recommend you to follow the research of Drunvalo Melchizedeck

    • Honuman

      I’ve read Drunvalo. He’s very spiritual, heady and multidimensional but not very grounded. What he says may be the truth but I wouldn’t say his work is the final word on the mayan end date. There’s many other people and works that have a fuller balance of info regarding this subject. One of the best out there for sure is Geoff Stray’s “Beyond 2012: Catastrophe or Awakening”. It’s a great broad reaching compendium of theories about 2012 with science and research to assess each theory. Objective. Another great one is “Maya Cosmogenesis” by J. Major Jenkins. A very well researched book with some measured leaps of logic and spirit. The whole end of the world scenario being pushed on the public is ridiculously and pathologically ungrounded as it is predictable. Certainly there’s a sense globally, I believe, that some sort of transformation or change or shift or something is bubbling up. I’m not sure anyone can characterize it or encapsulate it because it’s just too much to figure out but there’s a sense. How much further can we all go in the direction we’ve been going in without some fundamental change is what I wonder.

  • Laureandreu

    If you are interested in what the REAL maya have to say about the 2012 date, i would strongly recommend you to follow the research of Drunvalo Melchizedeck

  • Butter Knife

    I’ve always wondered about the end-of-the-world people: what do they want us to do about it? Most of them seem very fatalistic about the whole thing, and certainly with this one it isn’t even clear how or why the world would end, merely that it would. Anyone who believes in fate as required to take this seriously must consequently believe it is inevitable, and that if we try to avoid it our efforts shall merely ensure that it happens (see: every Greek myth). If that’s the case, what are we supposed to do? there’s nothing we can do to stop or change it… the only rational course of action is to do what we already do: assume the world won’t end and continue as though tomorrow will happen, if we’re wrong, it’s all a wash anyway, and if we’re right we haven’t screwed ourselves over and destroyed any chance for normalcy.

    As to what I think will happen… the sun will rise, it will set, and it will continue so into the unforseeable distant future. I suspect that, after writing out several hundred years of their calendar, the Mayans merely grew bored with continuing it and moved on to other activities. Had their culture survived to this day intact and not been nigh eradicated then forcibly absorbed into western society, they might have calculated out more of it somewhere along the way, but obviously there wasn’t much of a rush. I expect it to be just another boring day in the neighborhood, but if I’m wrong, and the world really does end, I’ll give everyone who believes this nonsense a dollar.

    • Honuman

      I understand. You’re just being practical. I think that’s probably the best way to think about it when people are cramming their ‘end of the world’ ideas at you. Just live your life and whatever may be may be. Depending on your level of interest in the subject, there are good books on the subject that don’t carry the whole fatalistic agenda about 2012. Personally I wanted to understand the nature of the Mayan calendar and what it represents and after some research I completely discredit anyone or any book, theorist or modern day soothsayer that says it’s the end of the world. Aside from having no evidence to back up their fear mongering, saying the end of the Mayan long count calendar is the end of the world is as boringly predictable as it is cartoonish. I’d argue that the main stream media’s take on the Mayan calendar is so hollywood that it’s easy to forget it’s a significant, organic and deeply cultural artifact that is a window into the thinking of an important civilization. Watering it down to a simple signpost saying it all ends here is absurdly reductionistic and very ignorant.

  • Butter Knife

    I’ve always wondered about the end-of-the-world people: what do they want us to do about it? Most of them seem very fatalistic about the whole thing, and certainly with this one it isn’t even clear how or why the world would end, merely that it would. Anyone who believes in fate as required to take this seriously must consequently believe it is inevitable, and that if we try to avoid it our efforts shall merely ensure that it happens (see: every Greek myth). If that’s the case, what are we supposed to do? there’s nothing we can do to stop or change it… the only rational course of action is to do what we already do: assume the world won’t end and continue as though tomorrow will happen, if we’re wrong, it’s all a wash anyway, and if we’re right we haven’t screwed ourselves over and destroyed any chance for normalcy.

    As to what I think will happen… the sun will rise, it will set, and it will continue so into the unforseeable distant future. I suspect that, after writing out several hundred years of their calendar, the Mayans merely grew bored with continuing it and moved on to other activities. Had their culture survived to this day intact and not been nigh eradicated then forcibly absorbed into western society, they might have calculated out more of it somewhere along the way, but obviously there wasn’t much of a rush. I expect it to be just another boring day in the neighborhood, but if I’m wrong, and the world really does end, I’ll give everyone who believes this nonsense a dollar.

  • Honuman

    I’ve read Drunvalo. He’s very spiritual, heady and multidimensional but not very grounded. What he says may be the truth but I wouldn’t say his work is the final word on the mayan end date. There’s many other people and works that have a fuller balance of info regarding this subject. One of the best out there for sure is Geoff Stray’s “Beyond 2012: Catastrophe or Awakening”. It’s a great broad reaching compendium of theories about 2012 with science and research to assess each theory. Objective. Another great one is “Maya Cosmogenesis” by J. Major Jenkins. A very well researched book with some measured leaps of logic and spirit. The whole end of the world scenario being pushed on the public is ridiculously and pathologically ungrounded as it is predictable. Certainly there’s a sense globally, I believe, that some sort of transformation or change or shift or something is bubbling up. I’m not sure anyone can characterize it or encapsulate it because it’s just too much to figure out but there’s a sense. How much further can we all go in the direction we’ve been going in without some fundamental change is what I wonder.

  • Honuman

    I understand. You’re just being practical. I think that’s probably the best way to think about it when people are cramming their ‘end of the world’ ideas at you. Just live your life and whatever may be may be. Depending on your level of interest in the subject, there are good books on the subject that don’t carry the whole fatalistic agenda about 2012. Personally I wanted to understand the nature of the Mayan calendar and what it represents and after some research I completely discredit anyone or any book, theorist or modern day soothsayer that says it’s the end of the world. Aside from having no evidence to back up their fear mongering, saying the end of the Mayan long count calendar is the end of the world is as boringly predictable as it is cartoonish. I’d argue that the main stream media’s take on the Mayan calendar is so hollywood that it’s easy to forget it’s a significant, organic and deeply cultural artifact that is a window into the thinking of an important civilization. Watering it down to a simple signpost saying it all ends here is absurdly reductionistic and very ignorant.

  • Pantheisticsolipsist

    but…what about Time Wave Zero and the I Ching???

  • Pantheisticsolipsist

    but…what about Time Wave Zero and the I Ching???

  • http://www.facebook.com/aprildawnwelsh April Welsh

    Now,
    the National Council of Mayan Elders in Guatemala has a message for the
    world. Through their leader, Wakatel Utiw, “Wandering Wolf,” also known
    as Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj, they offer: “2012 is not the end
    of the world, nor did we ever predict that it would end; not now, not at
    the end of our Long Count calendar, nor on December 21, 2012. FIND
    OUT MORE HERE:
    ​http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sot​
    a/shift-of-the-ages-a-true-story

  • http://www.facebook.com/aprildawnwelsh April Welsh

    Now,
    the National Council of Mayan Elders in Guatemala has a message for the
    world. Through their leader, Wakatel Utiw, “Wandering Wolf,” also known
    as Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj, they offer: “2012 is not the end
    of the world, nor did we ever predict that it would end; not now, not at
    the end of our Long Count calendar, nor on December 21, 2012. FIND
    OUT MORE HERE:
    ​http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sot​
    a/shift-of-the-ages-a-true-story

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