Obama Speaks Out On The Tea Party

Official_portrait_of_Barack_ObamaIn a new interview with Rolling Stone owner Jann Wenner, Barack Obama discusses a number of hot topics, including his perception of the Tea Party movement:

Wenner: What do you think of the Tea Party and the people behind it?

Obama: I think the Tea Party is an amalgam, a mixed bag of a lot of different strains in American politics that have been there for a long time. There are some strong and sincere libertarians who are in the Tea Party who generally don’t believe in government intervention in the market or socially. There are some social conservatives in the Tea Party who are rejecting me the same way they rejected Bill Clinton, the same way they would reject any Democratic president as being too liberal or too progressive. There are strains in the Tea Party that are troubled by what they saw as a series of instances in which the middle-class and working-class people have been abused or hurt by special interests and Washington, but their anger is misdirected.

And then there are probably some aspects of the Tea Party that are a little darker, that have to do with anti-immigrant sentiment or are troubled by what I represent as the president. So I think it’s hard to characterize the Tea Party as a whole, and I think it’s still defining itself.

Do you think that it’s being manipulated?

There’s no doubt that the infrastructure and the financing of the Tea Party come from some very traditional, very powerful, special-interest lobbies. I don’t think this is a secret. Dick Armey and FreedomWorks, which was one of the first organizational mechanisms to bring Tea Party folks together, are financed by very conservative industries and forces that are opposed to enforcement of environmental laws, that are opposed to an energy policy that would be different than the fossil-fuel-based approach we’ve been taking, that don’t believe in regulations that protect workers from safety violations in the workplace, that want to make sure that we are not regulating the financial industries in ways that we have.

There’s no doubt that there is genuine anger, frustration and anxiety in the public at large about the worst financial crisis we’ve experienced since the Great Depression. Part of what we have to keep in mind here is this recession is worse than the Ronald Reagan recession of the Eighties, the 1990-91 recession, and the 2001 recession combined. The depths of it have been profound. This body politic took a big hit in the gut, and that always roils up our politics, and can make people angry. But because of the ability of a lot of very well-funded groups to point that anger — I think misdirect that anger — it is translating into a relevant political force in this election…

[continues in Rolling Stone]

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  • ComeOnBarry

    God… Come on stone, not that I expected this from a Jan Wenner publication(founder of the stone that donates millions to the democratic party) but ask some real fucking questions… Obama says his strategies haven’t failed, they just haven’t worked yet lol. And he bashes fox news for being biased towards democrats?? ALL mainstream corporate news is biased come on Barry… Agh… Anyways… another “hit piece” here eh? More of the same rhetoric… You are the same as every other president since Kennedy Mr. Barry Soetoro, and believe it or not, people are waking up and realizing that both so called “different” parties have the same agenda, just different ways of accomplishing it. (NO NWO)

    • Freedumb

      right the fuck on man!

    • FergalR

      Well said.

    • Liam_McGonagle

      T-t-t-t-trollerderby!

      http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/

      Obama has never appeared in any official document under the name Soetero.

      Nice try. But that shit only works if your audience is too lazy to do a little research. Do come back when you’re ready for the Big Leagues.

      • FergalR

        Heh.

        Guy says Obama is like every other president since Kennedy and Liam goes off on a tangent.

        If changing the subject had leagues your trophy cabinet would be full.

        • Liam_McGonagle

          Um, don’t know how to put this to you, friend, but YOU DONE BEEN PLAYED.

          See, the single falsifiable claim made in “ComeOnBarry”s original comment was the identification of the President with “Barry Soetero”. To whit, I quote, lest “ComeOnBarry” try to pull a fast edit job on ye:

          “. . . You are the same as every other president since Kennedy Mr. Barry Soetoro . . .”

          Now I realise that you may not be a citizen of the United States. Lord knows that many of my own blood cousins are not. However, that does NOT exhonorate you, a Fhearghail, from knowing what the hell you are talking about before you comment.

          See, one of the favourite “come on”s of the Right-Wing Douche Bag movement (i.e., “Tea Party”, for those resident in the far off Republic) is that somehow, magically, a non-citizen ‘muzlamic person’ has been placed in the Oval Office through a secret cabal that involves the entire populations of Hawaii and Indonesia as well as the bi-partisan U.S. Federal Elections Commission; the Douche Baggers claim that his actual name is Barry Soetero.

          Of course if you’d actually bothered to read the relevant link I included, you would have known that is utter and complete bullshit, as the people most competent to testify to the matter have rejected that notion. The President’s name is and always has been Barack Hussein Obama, For your sake, here it is again:

          http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/

          This time read it before you comment, and you won’t end up looking like such a bloody ass/arse.

          So there you have it. I concede the trophy for Fucktard of the Year to you, a Fhearghail, a chara dhíl.

          Only hope this parade of your shameful ignorance doesn’t effect your tenure as professor of philosophy, political science or reputation for knowledge of current events.

          • FergalR

            I read it. A second-hand report of an email from a school priciple in an underdeveloped country doesn’t count as fact-checking to me. Your trophy is safe. The other factcheck article I’ve been linked to was similarly amateurish.

            Why do people who disagree with me insist on capitalising whole words?

            I feel so sorry for Americans that believe that the right-wing and left-wing are somehow different.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            LOL. Nice try to change the subject, Fergal.

            It’s YOU, YOUR CLAIM and YOUR CREDIBILITY that are on trial here.

            You are backed into a corner. You need to prove the claim you endorse, namely that over a period of 49 years the administrators of Obama’s childhood school, all the representatives of the Health Department of the State of Hawaii and each and every member of the U.S. Federal Elections Commission have somehow sustained a secret cabal to hide the identity of someone named Soetero.

            So what’s it gonna be, Fergal? Put up or shut up?

          • FergalR

            Whoa, calm down there Liam.

            You’ll wear out the shift key.

            His stepfather’s surname was Soetero.

            I didn’t make any claims regarding Soetero’s nationality.

            If you believe that I did then I suggest you get an impartial person who isn’t high on meth to read my previous posts.

            Seriously, Liam, relax on the shift key. If it makes you feel any better then in furture I’ll refer to The Preident of The United States as Barack Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetero. Okay?

            Your glorious leader received the Nobel Peace Prize the same week he sent 70,000 extra troops to fight a war to secure the Afghan heroin crop. He’s obviously my (as an ultra-Right-winger) kind of President – what with the war and mayhem and the drones firing laser-guided hellfire missiles into wedding parties.

            Fuck. I know he isn’t muslim. The Taliban declared opium illegal in late 2000. The drug was so deply ingrained in Afghan culture that they fought it by chopping people’s heads off in football stadiums.

            The people you saw being beheaded in football stadiums just before the invasion? Drug-dealers. Every one of them.

            They chopped their heads off in footballs stadiums so that everyone in that football stadium would know that if they dealt heroin or opium that they would have their heads chopped off. In a football stadium.

            The only war on drugs in history that ever worked.

            And then coincidentally The United States of America and Britain invaded Afghanistan.

            Islam is the religion of peace. Islam condemns drug taking and gambling and creating wealth from wealth (Christianity and Judaism also condemn these things – shit – the only time Jesus got angry was with the guys who were trading Temple Disneyland Dollars for precious metals. But they don’t teach you that. So we get screwed by the banks every other generation.)

            I don’t paticularly give a fuck what religion Barack Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetero claims he is. Probably Satanist. He sure as shit isn’t a devout follower of any socially acceptable faith. What with his continuing wars on the other side of the planet from your country at the cost of $1,000,000,000,000 a year. When the ITER fusion energy research struggles to get $10,000,000,000 for ten years even though it would save us all from the bullshit global warming scam when it’s perfected.

            Oh, and the heroin. Muslims are big against heroin. Almost as much as the Mormons.

            Barack Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetero is a fucking puppet. Just like the last few.

            I bet the fucker’s really white.

            http://hsrp.typepad.com/afghanistan/UNODC_opium07.jpg

          • Come_On_Barry

            Amazing. Perfect response, lol I tend to get too mad and ramble a bit… Anyways, you really cant change these peoples minds and get them to think for themselves… Well, once in a while you can, but most people are a lost cause.

            —-“Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so.”— Bertrand Russell, 20th Century Philosopher & Nobel Prize Winner—-

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Yeah, I guess this is about as close as we’re ever gonna get to you openly admitting that you screwed up and didn’t even read that dumbass “ComeOnBarry”s message.

            Unthinkingly you just signed on the Tea Party express. Get to know your new friends. Read their messages. I’m sure you’ll find them delightful company.

            This is proof positive, as if any more were needed, that the Left Wing is NOT ‘just exactly like’ the Right Wing. The Right Wing are full of racist sociopaths who have no freakin’ clue about how to construct a logical argument. The Left Wing work, with brains, logic and moral conviction to push forward and make the hard choices that need to be made to address this country’s challenges.

            Come on, America. No more babysitting Tea Douchers and whiny Right Wing trolls. Get out and vote Democrat in November. We simply cannot afford to hold up the show for the likes of Dingbat O’Donnell any more.

          • FergalR

            You’re full of it.

            I bet you’re paid cointelpro.

            See this statement you made:
            “See, one of the favourite “come on”s of the Right-Wing Douche Bag movement (i.e., “Tea Party”, for those resident in the far off Republic) is that somehow, magically, a non-citizen ‘muzlamic person’ has been placed in the Oval Office through a secret cabal that involves the entire populations of Hawaii and Indonesia as well as the bi-partisan U.S. Federal Elections Commission; the Douche Baggers claim that his actual name is Barry Soetero. ”

            One of your favourites? Pull the other leg asshole. You get approached by Tea-Party recruiters every fucking day?

            Eat shit and die shill.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Quoth FergalR (lest he be tempted to edit this gem out once that lonely thought rattlin’ around his head actually catches hold to a neuron): “Eat shit and die shill.”

            http://www.disinfo.com/2010/10/murdering-people-who-disagree-with-you/

            Certain irony there, no? I mean it really is hilarious. For someone who pretends indigation at that video to say, “Eat shit and die shill.”

            Too rich. Please, go on.

          • Come_On_Barry

            Lol, ahh, you are providing us with a perfect example of a disinformation agent. (Or maybe your just a bit slow?) You are the amusing one here. You provided me with something to keep me occupied all morning at work. Thanks for that anyways… Now, I really wish you could have at least on mildly intelligent response to ANYTHING I’ve stated here. I’m sure I wont get one though.

          • FergalR

            The only cointelpro guy in the office who can read is probably at lunch.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            O beag an baol, a chara! I’m just sitting back and having a good time watching you lot shit all over yourselves and wallowing in the pit of your own crazed hypocrisy. LOL.

            Go on. I know you’ve got it in you. You’re so full of shit your eyes are brown. Oops–just gave away the location of my spotter team in Ballymun!

            @Boyos-in-the-bread-truck: “Pull out! Repeat: Pull Out! ‘Boll Weevil’ has spotted the ‘Jayhawks’! Repeat ‘Boll Weevil’ has spotted the ‘Jayhawks’! Pull Out NOW!!!”

            Relax. Sit down, have a beer and get over yourselves. You’re not as important as you think you are. Sheesh.

          • FergalR

            I don’t speak Irish.What are you suggesting that I have in me? Don’t get any ideas: I don’t swing that way.Don’t order me to have a fucking beer. I’ve been drinking since the offo opened at 11:30.I am important because I can preach this:Barack Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetero is a fucking puppet. Just like them all since Kennedy. And even Kennedy was a bit of a junkie.

            Oh, and, welcome back from lunch Team-Leader.

            http://hsrp.typepad.com/afghanistan/UNODC_opium07.jpg

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Quote: “I don’t speak Irish.”

            Your English could stand a little work, too.

            LOL

          • FergalR

            Aha! So you’ll be takin’ th’ Queen’s shillin’ too then?

            ;)

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Go dtuga an Diabhal an té a ghlacfadh pinghin na fola mar sin!
            Translation: “Hell no!”

            Seriously, I’m not asking you to become Brian Ó Nualláin here, but it wouldn’t hurt you to learn a few phrases of the Older Tongue.

            Or to read stuff in context before commenting on them either. You’ve got all these passionate opinions but sometimes you just charge ahead with comments without really thinking about them.

            Obama is NOT ‘just like all the rest’. No, he hasn’t ‘changed the world’—yet. But he’s trying. And letting internet trolls like “ComeOnBarry” spout right wing nonsense that has been definitively proven wrong time and time again is just slowing up the show.

            Even those who still TRULY want to nail Obama should do everything to make sure the Dems have a filibuster-proof majority in both House and Senate this November. Deprive him of a reasonable explanation for the hold-up.

          • FergalR

            Liam, I’m telling you, please. You’re wrong. Look at the opium crop graph in Afghanistan. They say the Taliban are growing it in Helmand provence. But Helamand is a desert. If there was a field of poppies there you’d see it on google earth. The opium grow in the Hindu Kush that the allies control. There’s two new heroin addicts a week signing on for treatment here in Dublin, and this is a small city. They have combat air patrols flying 24/7 there, they could napalm that junk anytime they wanted to.

            It’s all a scam. All of it. Obama has no more power or knowledge than most of us – and less freedom. The international drugs trade is running the show. It’s the biggest indusry in the world – bigger than energy production (all the oil and coal combined) .

            I dunno brother.

            Peace.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            I don’t doubt or deny that there’s some level of shenanigans afoot. But that, my man, is what happens when people give up the struggle altogether.

            Obama inherited two godawful wars. Iraq should never EVER have been started. That was pure stone cold bullshit from day one. And unfortunately neither, Obama, the United States in general, or any other country or group of countries in the world can put Iraq back together for them. That’s something they’re gonna have to do for themselves. At least Obama had the sense to get the hell out of there as soon as he could.

            Afghanistan? Well can you imagine a situation where some time of military response wasn’t called for? You wouldn’t let them off so easily if they tried to grease Dublin.

            But here’s the root problem in Afghanistan: Bush went in without a plan, and Rumsfeld’s policy of bullying the generals into following his neo-tard right wing political line left them basically spineless. None of them had the guts to tell Obama the truth during all those months he debated Afghan strategy: We can’t put that country back together for them either. Afghanis have to do it, and if the U.S. is interfering through it’s pursuit of Bin Laden, well Bin Laden’s even more to blame for holding those poor Afghanis hostage.

            If Bin Laden had the courage he seems to expect of his followers, he’d have turned himself in to the U.S., and America could have had a decent, face-saving reason to leave Afghanistan. But Bin Laden won’t. He’d rather sacrifice all those kids, women and old folks for the sake of his version of religious purity.

            This is a bad, bad situation. And the only thing that could make it worse would be to return the Republicant’s to power. You know, the people that started that whole mess. God bless Obama for trying.

          • FergalR

            Dear God Liam. Do you really believe that Bin Laden is on the run somewhere directing Al Qaeda? Did the Afghan people deserve to have their country turned into hell for 9/11. No-one has ever said that the Taliban did 9/11. Nevermind the fact that they were bankrolled into existence by the CIA.

            Has American military action in Iraq finished? Do you believe that? Has Obama stopped the Iraq war?

            Christ.

            You don’t need Democrats or Republicans my friend. You should join the Tea-Party.

          • Come_On_Barry

            REPLY TO ME. What have I said here that has been “proven wrong time and time again” you fucking shill/liar. You refusing to respond proves me right time and time again. I don’t have SHIT against Obama, I just understand the FACT that he is just the next guy to take the blame for 60 years of horrible policy and a huge corporate/military industrial takeover of this once great nation. You are the type of person Thomas Jefferson warned would let this country go to shit. I’m 23 and I already understand this more than 95% of these celebrity groveling fluoridated minded fools. Respond to me if you have any respect for yourself or your opinion, I’m sick of people like you. All I want in life is opportunity and the right to be left the fuck alone, and I see that all slipping away, so yeah IM FUCKING UPSET. All I want is for people to realize that 99 % of us are on the same side here, we just cant seem to grasp that idea. 1% has all of the money and power, I guess thats capitalism for ya, but it’s getting bad. America is quickly becoming a fascist/corporatist/police state and you FUCKING know it. Wake up. Fucking say something to that.

          • gemmarama

            it’s called gaelic, ferg.

          • FergalR

            Well, yeah, I know what it’s called, it was wriiten on the school timtable, but my teacher was a godawful woman.

            I’ll use my skills to translate what Liam wrote:
            O beag an baol, a chara! = Small mouth, my friend?

            What wait? Was he telling me to shut my mouth?!

          • Liam_McGonagle

            LOL. No. Close, but not quite. Beag an baol=little danger.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Thanks, Gemma. But I’d be careful to always refer to it as ‘Irish’.

            I don’t know whether you have any Irish connections yourself, but that seemingly trivial point has a crucial cultural significance. It’s wrapped up in centuries of anti-colonial struggle and our self esteem as a people.

            True, no one here’s gonna challenge the fact that Irish is closely related, and to some extent mutually intelligible with Scottish Gaelic, but if you wanna see some tempers shoot through the roof, then go to a man whose gramps fought for independence and insist it’s ‘Gaelic’ rather than ‘Irish’.

            Sorry for the dry history lesson. Just thought I needed to tip you off. This is a REAL sore point for lots of Irish people, trivial as it may seem to the rest of us.

          • gemmarama

            i’m scottish. as far as i knew, you speak “gay-lic”, we speak “gah-lic”, but they’re spelt the same.

          • Come_On_Barry

            Prove that I am a hypocrite. Your a fucking moron. Lol, and if you are a paid shill, I’m frankly very surprised that your employer has not fired you. You can’t respond to ANYTHING like a mature educated person. So anyways, wise the fuck up or fuck the fuck off. I know I’m wasting my time but I can’t seem to help it.

          • Andrew

            He’s not the only one who can’t respond to anything maturely.

          • Come_On_Barry

            Tried being civil. Maybe read the comments… If you dont see that this guy beats not only around the bush, but around the whole damn yard, then I’m going to have to assume that you are another ignorant.

          • Come_On_Barry

            Lol I bet… We are wasting our time with this trash.

          • FergalR

            Shit. I’ve never been a shill so I don’t get it.

            Logic chooping isn’t my forte. What the fuck are you on about?

            I guess you’re gay because you use the word “quoth” but I’m cool with gays because that means more pussy for me. Nevertheless you are either a paid shill who should eat shit and die for being so; or a poor brainwashed deluded fool who should eat shit and die for the benefit of the rest of us.

            Do you even know what the word irony means?

          • Andrew

            Calling someone gay? That’s a new low for you. In light of that I hate to have to agree with you about the “left” and the “right” being two sides of the same coin, but I do.

          • gemmarama

            enlighten me here, is “eat shit and die” your idea of irony? cos if so you and alanis morrisette musta gone to the same school.

          • FergalR

            Come on there Shakespeare, don’t leave me on fucking tenterhooks.

            What the fuck are you on about?

          • Come_On_Barry

            Come on and prove anything we are saying to be wrong! Quit acting like a fucking politician man god damn.
            And it’s funny that you call a black man racist before you even KNOW the color of my skin. You are a racist, and yeah there are white trash tea party members too, only because the movement got hijacked and demonized. Prove me wrong or STFU.

          • FergalR

            Liam, come back, please!

            I need clarification on something you wrote earlier:
            “try to pull a fast edit job on ye:”

            What the fuck does that mean? Can you only learn how to write like an asshole in cointelpro school? Do they have a correspondence cource?

            I really want to be able to confuse the fuck out of people by writing nonsense. It’s important, please return.

          • Come_on_barry_quit_crying

            Thats not what its about!!! You are very ignorant, and spitting the same rhetoric as every news outlet!!! I dont care where Barry is from!! It’s not what color you are or where you are from its WHAT YOU DO. FUCKING IGNORANT. Do the american people a favor and EDUCATE yourself about the people that Obama/Soetoro appoints into his administration, LOOK at his executive orders LOOK at his voting record and policies! Quit buying into this TRASH. And quit assuming that everyone that doesnt like obama is a stupid white trash racist or birther or republican or whatever. I hate you. lol.

      • Quit_Crying

        Wow, lol, a true Obamanoid eh? Haha, and actually, A LOT about obama is not on official documents because they are FUCKING classified or “missing”. Barry used the name Soetoro in school, thats not my fault that he wanted to go by that name, and I never said it was “official” lol. Fucking retards on here man…. Why not respond to my other statements and prove me wrong rather that be a little bitch troll disinformationer. Or leave.

  • ComeOnBarry

    God… Come on stone, not that I expected this from a Jan Wenner publication(founder of the stone that donates millions to the democratic party) but ask some real fucking questions… Obama says his strategies haven’t failed, they just haven’t worked yet lol. And he bashes fox news for being biased towards democrats?? ALL mainstream corporate news is biased come on Barry… Agh… Anyways… another “hit piece” here eh? More of the same rhetoric… You are the same as every other president since Kennedy Mr. Barry Soetoro, and believe it or not, people are waking up and realizing that both so called “different” parties have the same agenda, just different ways of accomplishing it. (NO NWO)

  • Freedumb

    right the fuck on man!

  • Anonymous

    Well said.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    T-t-t-t-trollerderby!

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/

    Obama has never appeared in any official document under the name Soetero.

    Nice try. But that shit only works if your audience is too lazy to do a little research. Do come back when you’re ready for the Big Leagues.

  • Anonymous

    Heh.

    Guy says Obama is like every other president since Kennedy and Liam goes off on a tangent.

    If changing the subject had leagues your trophy cabinet would be full.

  • Potter Dee

    What a fucking pussy! Call a spade a spade and be done with it. “there’s some darker elements of the tea party”??? No there’s not, they hate dark people, they HATE YOU Mr. Obama, they think you are an Islamic Kenyan Socialist who wants to kill priests and burn churches and put everyone in death camps. Pandering to these idiots is going to get you lynched

    • Rohatsu

      lol- yup
      I don’t know if he’s pandering though. He’s probably just trying to be the politically correct POTUS.

    • Come_On_Barry

      You sound like the biggest racist of all. Why does not liking someone’s policy/agenda/administration mean YOU MUST be a racist? I’m sorry, but I really have the need and desire to respond to these unsourced/biased/ignorant comments. Everything I’ve said here is fact. Barack went by Barry in school, his administration is composed of some of the dirtiest sleaziest bastards that exist (as most recent administrations, nothing new here), and come on, the guy is a fucking corporate marketing tool!!! Created to confuse/numb people to whats going on, and to be another scapegoat to grease the skids for the next republican…. Come on, they are all the same. I even have my doubts about Dr. Ron Paul… BE SKEPTICAL AND RESEARCH EVERYTHING>>>> BOTH SIDES.

  • Potter Dee

    What a fucking pussy! Call a spade a spade and be done with it. “there’s some darker elements of the tea party”??? No there’s not, they hate dark people, they HATE YOU Mr. Obama, they think you are an Islamic Kenyan Socialist who wants to kill priests and burn churches and put everyone in death camps. Pandering to these idiots is going to get you lynched

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Um, don’t know how to put this to you, friend, but YOU DONE BEEN PLAYED.

    See, the single falsifiable claim made in “ComeOnBarry”s original comment was the identification of the President with “Barry Soetero”. To whit, I quote, lest “ComeOnBarry” try to pull a fast edit job on ye:

    “. . . You are the same as every other president since Kennedy Mr. Barry Soetoro . . .”

    Now I realise that you may not be a citizen of the United States. Lord knows that many of my own blood cousins are not. However, that does NOT exhonorate you, a Fhearghail, from knowing what the hell you are talking about before you comment.

    See, one of the favourite “come on”s of the Right-Wing Douche Bag movement (i.e., “Tea Party”, for those resident in the far off Republic) is that somehow, magically, a non-citizen ‘muzlamic person’ has been placed in the Oval Office through a secret cabal that involves the entire populations of Hawaii and Indonesia as well as the bi-partisan U.S. Federal Elections Commission; the Douche Baggers claim that his actual name is Barry Soetero.

    Of course if you’d actually bothered to read the relevant link I included, you would have known that is utter and complete bullshit, as the people most competent to testify to the matter have rejected that notion. The President’s name is and always has been Barack Hussein Obama, For your sake, here it is again:

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/

    This time read it before you comment, and you won’t end up looking like such a bloody ass/arse.

    So there you have it. I concede the trophy for Fucktard of the Year to you, a Fhearghail, a chara dhíl.

    Only hope this parade of your shameful ignorance doesn’t effect your tenure as professor of philosophy, political science or reputation for knowledge of current events.

  • Anonymous

    I read it. A second-hand report of an email from a school priciple in an underdeveloped country doesn’t count as fact-checking to me. Your trophy is safe. The other factcheck article I’ve been linked to was similarly amateurish.

    Why do people who disagree with me insist on capitalising whole words?

    I feel so sorry for Americans that believe that the right-wing and left-wing are somehow different.

  • Rohatsu

    lol- yup
    I don’t know if he’s pandering though. He’s probably just trying to be the politically correct POTUS.

  • chinagreenelvis

    Obama is the voice of sanity in a world full of nutjobs. Many of them can be seen commenting below.

    • ObamanoidNumber_55683929-3354

      haha, truely brainwashed eh? lol, this is amazing. i love these comment boards and the obamanoids!!! very amusing indeed, however i find celebrity warship to be a bit…. much.

  • chinagreenelvis

    Obama is the voice of sanity in a world full of nutjobs. Many of them can be seen commenting below.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    LOL. Nice try to change the subject, Fergal.

    It’s YOU, YOUR CLAIM and YOUR CREDIBILITY that are on trial here.

    You are backed into a corner. You need to prove the claim you endorse, namely that over a period of 49 years the administrators of Obama’s childhood school, all the representatives of the Health Department of the State of Hawaii and each and every member of the U.S. Federal Elections Commission have somehow sustained a secret cabal to hide the identity of someone named Soetero.

    So what’s it gonna be, Fergal? Put up or shut up?

  • Quit_Crying

    Wow, lol, a true Obamanoid eh? Haha, and actually, A LOT about obama is not on official documents because they are FUCKING classified or “missing”. Barry used the name Soetoro in school, thats not my fault that he wanted to go by that name, and I never said it was “official” lol. Fucking retards on here man…. Why not respond to my other statements and prove me wrong rather that be a little bitch troll disinformationer. Or leave.

  • Come_on_barry_quit_crying

    Thats not what its about!!! You are very ignorant, and spitting the same rhetoric as every news outlet!!! I dont care where Barry is from!! It’s not what color you are or where you are from its WHAT YOU DO. FUCKING IGNORANT. Do the american people a favor and EDUCATE yourself about the people that Obama/Soetoro appoints into his administration, LOOK at his executive orders LOOK at his voting record and policies! Quit buying into this TRASH. And quit assuming that everyone that doesnt like obama is a stupid white trash racist or birther or republican or whatever. I hate you. lol.

  • ObamanoidNumber_55683929-3354

    haha, truely brainwashed eh? lol, this is amazing. i love these comment boards and the obamanoids!!! very amusing indeed, however i find celebrity warship to be a bit…. much.

  • Come_On_Barry

    You sound like the biggest racist of all. Why does not liking someone’s policy/agenda/administration mean YOU MUST be a racist? I’m sorry, but I really have the need and desire to respond to these unsourced/biased/ignorant comments. Everything I’ve said here is fact. Barack went by Barry in school, his administration is composed of some of the dirtiest sleaziest bastards that exist (as most recent administrations, nothing new here), and come on, the guy is a fucking corporate marketing tool!!! Created to confuse/numb people to whats going on, and to be another scapegoat to grease the skids for the next republican…. Come on, they are all the same. I even have my doubts about Dr. Ron Paul… BE SKEPTICAL AND RESEARCH EVERYTHING>>>> BOTH SIDES.

  • Anonymous

    Whoa, calm down there Liam.

    You’ll wear out the shift key.

    His stepfather’s surname was Soetero.

    I didn’t make any claims regarding Soetero’s nationality.

    If you believe that I did then I suggest you get an impartial person who isn’t high on meth to read my previous posts.

    Seriously, Liam, relax on the shift key. If it makes you feel any better then in furture I’ll refer to The Preident of The United States as Barack Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetero. Okay?

    Your glorious leader received the Nobel Peace Prize the same week he sent 70,000 extra troops to fight a war to secure the Afghan heroin crop. He’s obviously my (as an ultra-Right-winger) kind of President – what with the war and mayhem and the drones firing laser-guided hellfire missiles into wedding parties.

    Fuck. I know he isn’t muslim. The Taliban declared opium illegal in late 2000. The drug was so deply ingrained in Afghan culture that they fought it by chopping people’s heads off in football stadiums.

    The people you saw being beheaded in football stadiums just before the invasion? Drug-dealers. Every one of them.

    They chopped their heads off in footballs stadiums so that everyone in that football stadium would know that if they dealt heroin or opium that they would have their heads chopped off. In a football stadium.

    The only war on drugs in history that ever worked.

    And then coincidentally The United States of America and Britain invaded Afghanistan.

    Islam is the religion of peace. Islam condemns drug taking and gambling and creating wealth from wealth (Christianity and Judaism also condemn these things – shit – the only time Jesus got angry was with the guys who were trading Temple Disneyland Dollars for precious metals. But they don’t teach you that. So we get screwed by the banks every other generation.)

    I don’t paticularly give a fuck what religion Barack Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetero claims he is. Probably Satanist. He sure as shit isn’t a devout follower of any socially acceptable faith. What with his continuing wars on the other side of the planet from your country at the cost of $1,000,000,000,000 a year. When the ITER fusion energy research struggles to get $10,000,000,000 for ten years even though it would save us all from the bullshit global warming scam when it’s perfected.

    Oh, and the heroin. Muslims are big against heroin. Almost as much as the Mormons.

    Barack Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetero is a fucking puppet. Just like the last few.

    I bet the fucker’s really white.

    http://hsrp.typepad.com/afghanistan/UNODC_opium07.jpg

  • Come_On_Barry

    Amazing. Perfect response, lol I tend to get too mad and ramble a bit… Anyways, you really cant change these peoples minds and get them to think for themselves… Well, once in a while you can, but most people are a lost cause.

    —-“Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so.”— Bertrand Russell, 20th Century Philosopher & Nobel Prize Winner—-

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Yeah, I guess this is about as close as we’re ever gonna get to you openly admitting that you screwed up and didn’t even read that dumbass “ComeOnBarry”s message.

    Unthinkingly you just signed on the Tea Party express. Get to know your new friends. Read their messages. I’m sure you’ll find them delightful company.

    This is proof positive, as if any more were needed, that the Left Wing is NOT ‘just exactly like’ the Right Wing. The Right Wing are full of racist sociopaths who have no freakin’ clue about how to construct a logical argument. The Left Wing work, with brains, logic and moral conviction to push forward and make the hard choices that need to be made to address this country’s challenges.

    Come on, America. No more babysitting Tea Douchers and whiny Right Wing trolls. Get out and vote Democrat in November. We simply cannot afford to hold up the show for the likes of Dingbat O’Donnell any more.

  • Anonymous

    You’re full of it.

    I bet you’re paid cointelpro.

    See this statement you made:
    “See, one of the favourite “come on”s of the Right-Wing Douche Bag movement (i.e., “Tea Party”, for those resident in the far off Republic) is that somehow, magically, a non-citizen ‘muzlamic person’ has been placed in the Oval Office through a secret cabal that involves the entire populations of Hawaii and Indonesia as well as the bi-partisan U.S. Federal Elections Commission; the Douche Baggers claim that his actual name is Barry Soetero. ”

    One of your favourites? Pull the other leg asshole. You get approached by Tea-Party recruiters every fucking day?

    Eat shit and die shill.

  • Come_On_Barry

    Come on and prove anything we are saying to be wrong! Quit acting like a fucking politician man god damn.
    And it’s funny that you call a black man racist before you even KNOW the color of my skin. You are a racist, and yeah there are white trash tea party members too, only because the movement got hijacked and demonized. Prove me wrong or STFU.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Quoth FergalR (lest he be tempted to edit this gem out once that lonely thought rattlin’ around his head actually catches hold to a neuron): “Eat shit and die shill.”

    http://disinfo.com/2010/10/murdering-people-who-disagree-with-you/

    Certain irony there, no? I mean it really is hilarious. For someone who pretends indigation at that video to say, “Eat shit and die shill.”

    Too rich. Please, go on.

  • Come_On_Barry

    Lol, ahh, you are providing us with a perfect example of a disinformation agent. (Or maybe your just a bit slow?) You are the amusing one here. You provided me with something to keep me occupied all morning at work. Thanks for that anyways… Now, I really wish you could have at least on mildly intelligent response to ANYTHING I’ve stated here. I’m sure I wont get one though.

  • Anonymous

    Shit. I’ve never been a shill so I don’t get it.

    Logic chooping isn’t my forte. What the fuck are you on about?

    I guess you’re gay because you use the word “quoth” but I’m cool with gays because that means more pussy for me. Nevertheless you are either a paid shill who should eat shit and die for being so; or a poor brainwashed deluded fool who should eat shit and die for the benefit of the rest of us.

    Do you even know what the word irony means?

  • Anonymous

    Come on there Shakespeare, don’t leave me on fucking tenterhooks.

    What the fuck are you on about?

  • Anonymous

    The only cointelpro guy in the office who can read is probably at lunch.

  • Anonymous

    Liam, come back, please!

    I need clarification on something you wrote earlier:
    “try to pull a fast edit job on ye:”

    What the fuck does that mean? Can you only learn how to write like an asshole in cointelpro school? Do they have a correspondence cource?

    I really want to be able to confuse the fuck out of people by writing nonsense. It’s important, please return.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    O beag an baol, a chara! I’m just sitting back and having a good time watching you lot shit all over yourselves and wallowing in the pit of your own crazed hypocrisy. LOL.

    Go on. I know you’ve got it in you. You’re so full of shit your eyes are brown. Oops–just gave away the location of my spotter team in Ballymun!

    @Boyos-in-the-bread-truck: “Pull out! Repeat: Pull Out! ‘Boll Weevil’ has spotted the ‘Jayhawks’! Repeat ‘Boll Weevil’ has spotted the ‘Jayhawks’! Pull Out NOW!!!”

    Relax. Sit down, have a beer and get over yourselves. You’re not as important as you think you are. Sheesh.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t speak Irish.What are you suggesting that I have in me? Don’t get any ideas: I don’t swing that way.Don’t order me to have a fucking beer. I’ve been drinking since the offo opened at 11:30.I am important because I can preach this:Barack Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetero is a fucking puppet. Just like them all since Kennedy. And even Kennedy was a bit of a junkie.

    Oh, and, welcome back from lunch Team-Leader.

    http://hsrp.typepad.com/afghanistan/UNODC_opium07.jpg

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Quote: “I don’t speak Irish.”

    Your English could stand a little work, too.

    LOL

  • Andrew

    Calling someone gay? That’s a new low for you. In light of that I hate to have to agree with you about the “left” and the “right” being two sides of the same coin, but I do.

  • Come_On_Barry

    Lol I bet… We are wasting our time with this trash.

  • gemmarama

    enlighten me here, is “eat shit and die” your idea of irony? cos if so you and alanis morrisette musta gone to the same school.

  • Come_On_Barry

    Prove that I am a hypocrite. Your a fucking moron. Lol, and if you are a paid shill, I’m frankly very surprised that your employer has not fired you. You can’t respond to ANYTHING like a mature educated person. So anyways, wise the fuck up or fuck the fuck off. I know I’m wasting my time but I can’t seem to help it.

  • Anonymous

    Aha! So you’ll be takin’ th’ Queen’s shillin’ too then?

    ;)

  • Andrew

    He’s not the only one who can’t respond to anything maturely.

  • gemmarama

    it’s called gaelic, ferg.

  • Anonymous

    Well, yeah, I know what it’s called, it was wriiten on the school timtable, but my teacher was a godawful woman.

    I’ll use my skills to translate what Liam wrote:
    O beag an baol, a chara! = Small mouth, my friend?

    What wait? Was he telling me to shut my mouth?!

  • Come_On_Barry

    Tried being civil. Maybe read the comments… If you dont see that this guy beats not only around the bush, but around the whole damn yard, then I’m going to have to assume that you are another ignorant.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Go dtuga an Diabhal an té a ghlacfadh pinghin na fola mar sin!
    Translation: “Hell no!”

    Seriously, I’m not asking you to become Brian Ó Nualláin here, but it wouldn’t hurt you to learn a few phrases of the Older Tongue.

    Or to read stuff in context before commenting on them either. You’ve got all these passionate opinions but sometimes you just charge ahead with comments without really thinking about them.

    Obama is NOT ‘just like all the rest’. No, he hasn’t ‘changed the world’—yet. But he’s trying. And letting internet trolls like “ComeOnBarry” spout right wing nonsense that has been definitively proven wrong time and time again is just slowing up the show.

    Even those who still TRULY want to nail Obama should do everything to make sure the Dems have a filibuster-proof majority in both House and Senate this November. Deprive him of a reasonable explanation for the hold-up.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    LOL. No. Close, but not quite. Beag an baol=little danger.

  • Anonymous

    Liam, I’m telling you, please. You’re wrong. Look at the opium crop graph in Afghanistan. They say the Taliban are growing it in Helmand provence. But Helamand is a desert. If there was a field of poppies there you’d see it on google earth. The opium grow in the Hindu Kush that the allies control. There’s two new heroin addicts a week signing on for treatment here in Dublin, and this is a small city. They have combat air patrols flying 24/7 there, they could napalm that junk anytime they wanted to.

    It’s all a scam. All of it. Obama has no more power or knowledge than most of us – and less freedom. The international drugs trade is running the show. It’s the biggest indusry in the world – bigger than energy production (all the oil and coal combined) .

    I dunno brother.

    Peace.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Thanks, Gemma. But I’d be careful to always refer to it as ‘Irish’.

    I don’t know whether you have any Irish connections yourself, but that seemingly trivial point has a crucial cultural significance. It’s wrapped up in centuries of anti-colonial struggle and our self esteem as a people.

    True, no one here’s gonna challenge the fact that Irish is closely related, and to some extent mutually intelligible with Scottish Gaelic, but if you wanna see some tempers shoot through the roof, then go to a man whose gramps fought for independence and insist it’s ‘Gaelic’ rather than ‘Irish’.

    Sorry for the dry history lesson. Just thought I needed to tip you off. This is a REAL sore point for lots of Irish people, trivial as it may seem to the rest of us.

  • Come_On_Barry

    REPLY TO ME. What have I said here that has been “proven wrong time and time again” you fucking shill/liar. You refusing to respond proves me right time and time again. I don’t have SHIT against Obama, I just understand the FACT that he is just the next guy to take the blame for 60 years of horrible policy and a huge corporate/military industrial takeover of this once great nation. You are the type of person Thomas Jefferson warned would let this country go to shit. I’m 23 and I already understand this more than 95% of these celebrity groveling fluoridated minded fools. Respond to me if you have any respect for yourself or your opinion, I’m sick of people like you. All I want in life is opportunity and the right to be left the fuck alone, and I see that all slipping away, so yeah IM FUCKING UPSET. All I want is for people to realize that 99 % of us are on the same side here, we just cant seem to grasp that idea. 1% has all of the money and power, I guess thats capitalism for ya, but it’s getting bad. America is quickly becoming a fascist/corporatist/police state and you FUCKING know it. Wake up. Fucking say something to that.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    I don’t doubt or deny that there’s some level of shenanigans afoot. But that, my man, is what happens when people give up the struggle altogether.

    Obama inherited two godawful wars. Iraq should never EVER have been started. That was pure stone cold bullshit from day one. And unfortunately neither, Obama, the United States in general, or any other country or group of countries in the world can put Iraq back together for them. That’s something they’re gonna have to do for themselves. At least Obama had the sense to get the hell out of there as soon as he could.

    Afghanistan? Well can you imagine a situation where some time of military response wasn’t called for? You wouldn’t let them off so easily if they tried to grease Dublin.

    But here’s the root problem in Afghanistan: Bush went in without a plan, and Rumsfeld’s policy of bullying the generals into following his neo-tard right wing political line left them basically spineless. None of them had the guts to tell Obama the truth during all those months he debated Afghan strategy: We can’t put that country back together for them either. Afghanis have to do it, and if the U.S. is interfering through it’s pursuit of Bin Laden, well Bin Laden’s even more to blame for holding those poor Afghanis hostage.

    If Bin Laden had the courage he seems to expect of his followers, he’d have turned himself in to the U.S., and America could have had a decent, face-saving reason to leave Afghanistan. But Bin Laden won’t. He’d rather sacrifice all those kids, women and old folks for the sake of his version of religious purity.

    This is a bad, bad situation. And the only thing that could make it worse would be to return the Republicant’s to power. You know, the people that started that whole mess. God bless Obama for trying.

  • gemmarama

    i’m scottish. as far as i knew, you speak “gay-lic”, we speak “gah-lic”, but they’re spelt the same.

  • Anonymous

    Dear God Liam. Do you really believe that Bin Laden is on the run somewhere directing Al Qaeda? Did the Afghan people deserve to have their country turned into hell for 9/11. No-one has ever said that the Taliban did 9/11. Nevermind the fact that they were bankrolled into existence by the CIA.

    Has American military action in Iraq finished? Do you believe that? Has Obama stopped the Iraq war?

    Christ.

    You don’t need Democrats or Republicans my friend. You should join the Tea-Party.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    @Fergal:

    I’m making a big exception here in responding to your last post. Despite the unnecessarily personal hostility apprarent in that post, I’m assuming some level of good will between us.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but my current impression is that is mostly a combination of the passion you feel about the topic and long ingrained rhetorical habits, not necessarily a sign of real disrespect for me as a person.

    Is that true? If so, I’m going to make a super-big exception to my general rule and give you the best possible opportunity to convince me that any one of your most controversial propositions is true.

    But because the issues are easily muddled and conflated with one another, I’m going to insist on rules of engagement and an extra-sharp logical focus. It’s going to take some time–not only will we have to define terms carefully, but let’s face it, we both got shit to do. We can’t be chained to the computer 24/7.

    Final condition: If, at the end of the discussion, we still don’t completely agree, we should at least leave with an understanding that the failure is not due to stubborn obstinacy or outright lying, but honest differences in the relative probative value of evidence offered.

    So what do you say? Structured, logical debate? Or just pull the plug now?

  • Anonymous

    @Fergal:

    I’m making a big exception here in responding to your last post. Despite the unnecessarily personal hostility apprarent in that post, I’m assuming some level of good will between us.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but my current impression is that is mostly a combination of the passion you feel about the topic and long ingrained rhetorical habits, not necessarily a sign of real disrespect for me as a person.

    Is that true? If so, I’m going to make a super-big exception to my general rule and give you the best possible opportunity to convince me that any one of your most controversial propositions is true.

    But because the issues are easily muddled and conflated with one another, I’m going to insist on rules of engagement and an extra-sharp logical focus. It’s going to take some time–not only will we have to define terms carefully, but let’s face it, we both got shit to do. We can’t be chained to the computer 24/7.

    Final condition: If, at the end of the discussion, we still don’t completely agree, we should at least leave with an understanding that the failure is not due to stubborn obstinacy or outright lying, but honest differences in the relative probative value of evidence offered.

    So what do you say? Structured, logical debate? Or just pull the plug now?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SLNDMWH56RM3VV44EMUMYMKEOI Fio White

    At least the Tea Party have their real birth certificates!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SLNDMWH56RM3VV44EMUMYMKEOI Fio White

    At least the Tea Party have their real birth certificates!

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