Peter Berkowitz: Why Liberals Don’t Get the Tea Party Movement

Another take on this disinfo.com post. Peter Berkowitz writes in the Wall Street Journal:

Highly educated people say the darndest things, these days particularly about the tea party movement. Vast numbers of other highly educated people read and hear these dubious pronouncements, smile knowingly, and nod their heads in agreement. University educations and advanced degrees notwithstanding, they lack a basic understanding of the contours of American constitutional government.

New York Times columnist Paul Krugman got the ball rolling in April 2009, just ahead of the first major tea party rallies on April 15, by falsely asserting that “the tea parties don’t represent a spontaneous outpouring of public sentiment. They’re AstroTurf (fake grass-roots) events.”

Having learned next to nothing in the intervening 16 months about one of the most spectacular grass-roots political movements in American history, fellow Times columnist Frank Rich denied in August of this year that the tea party movement is “spontaneous and leaderless,” insisting instead that it is the instrument of billionaire brothers David and Charles Koch.

Washington Post columnist E. J. Dionne criticized the tea party as unrepresentative in two ways. It “constitutes a sliver of opinion on the extreme end of politics receiving attention out of all proportion with its numbers,” he asserted last month. This was a step back from his rash prediction five months before that since it “represents a relatively small minority of Americans on the right end of politics,” the tea party movement “will not determine the outcome of the 2010 elections.”

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  • Haystack

    “In other words, the tea party movement is inspired above all by a commitment to limited government.”

    What the article is essentially saying is that we should take the Tea Party at face value.

    Yes, the Tea Party is a large-scale grassroots movement of people who are angry at bailouts, etc., but that anger is largely channeled along highly pro-corporate, self-defeating, and fundamentally partisan lines. The Tea Partiers resent any spending on the economy, but don’t have a problem paying for a global military presence. They oppose financial or environmental regulations that might harm corporations, but don’t seem to mind the “expansion of government power” when it involves civil liberty issues, police surveillance, abortion rights, drug use, etc. They preach about fiscal responsibility where social programs are concerned, but see nothing wrong with borrowing money from China to extend tax breaks to millionaires (1/3 of the budget deficit).

    If the Tea Party were genuinely motivated by a libertarian political philosophy, we would expect them to not only champion traditional right-wing causes, but to be socially liberal, to want to reign in the police state and military, and so on; but quite to the contrary, they only favor limited government when it favors big business and the wealthy. If the Tea Party were actually faithful to the principles it espouses, it would look a lot less like a George W. Bush rally.

    That is why we’re calling bullshit on it.

  • Haystack

    “In other words, the tea party movement is inspired above all by a commitment to limited government.”

    What the article is essentially saying is that we should take the Tea Party at face value.

    Yes, the Tea Party is a large-scale grassroots movement of people who are angry at bailouts, etc., but that anger is largely channeled along highly pro-corporate, self-defeating, and fundamentally partisan lines. The Tea Partiers resent any spending on the economy, but don’t have a problem paying for a global military presence. They oppose financial or environmental regulations that might harm corporations, but don’t seem to mind the “expansion of government power” when it involves civil liberty issues, police surveillance, abortion rights, drug use, etc. They preach about fiscal responsibility where social programs are concerned, but see nothing wrong with borrowing money from China to extend tax breaks to millionaires (1/3 of the budget deficit).

    If the Tea Party were genuinely motivated by a libertarian political philosophy, we would expect them to not only champion traditional right-wing causes, but to be socially liberal, to want to reign in the police state and military, and so on; but quite to the contrary, they only favor limited government when it favors big business and the wealthy. If the Tea Party were actually faithful to the principles it espouses, it would look a lot less like a George W. Bush rally.

    That is why we’re calling bullshit on it.

  • Honuman

    I don’t give sh-t one how you characterize it or apologize for it, the so called tea party is a straw man movement for the rudderless and impotent Republican party that lost it’s mojo when GW Bush ripped out the fundamental tenets of smaller government and fiscal responsibility during his horror show of a presidency. Whether the tea party is genuine grass roots or not (it’s truly not in it’s origins btw…I’ll admit it took on a life of its own once up and going), the real point of this movement is not about fighting for taxes (Obama has lowered taxes for the majority of Americans) and it’s not about fiscal responsibility (if it were, where were these tea party people the last 6 years of Bush’s presidency where we spent 12 billion/month on the unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?). I don’t believe the Tea Party really has a true understanding of what they’re fighting for or screaming about. This leads me to believe that behind all their lunatic ignorant rantings about socialism and big government and taxes, it boils down to the fact that there’s a black man in the white house. Perhaps it could also be the fact that they’re sore losers. Clinton sure got a lot of unnecessary b-llshit heat. Whitewater, Monica Lewinsky…..I’ll gladly agree with anyone who says the Waco disaster was a big Clinton f-up but most of the other things the right screamed about Clinton was nonsense. And so it is with Obama. Maybe it’s just that the right can’t stand to lose and to be governed by anyone on the so-called left…..which isn’t really so left anyway.

    • AWAKEN

      I agree with you, but your opinion only represents the majority of the brainwashed tea baggers, some of them have good intentions and hate that their movement was turned into a republican neo con party. You just need to understand that each of the presidents that you mentioned are just scapegoats for the real decisionmakers (CFR/Trilateral commission/IMF/World bank/Federal Reserve/Military industrial complex/Fortune 500/Etc) That’s all anyone needs to know, look up each representative of whatever so called party that you support, and you wont like ANY party if you do the research.

  • Honuman

    I don’t give sh-t one how you characterize it or apologize for it, the so called tea party is a straw man movement for the rudderless and impotent Republican party that lost it’s mojo when GW Bush ripped out the fundamental tenets of smaller government and fiscal responsibility during his horror show of a presidency. Whether the tea party is genuine grass roots or not (it’s truly not in it’s origins btw…I’ll admit it took on a life of its own once up and going), the real point of this movement is not about fighting for taxes (Obama has lowered taxes for the majority of Americans) and it’s not about fiscal responsibility (if it were, where were these tea party people the last 6 years of Bush’s presidency where we spent 12 billion/month on the unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?). I don’t believe the Tea Party really has a true understanding of what they’re fighting for or screaming about. This leads me to believe that behind all their lunatic ignorant rantings about socialism and big government and taxes, it boils down to the fact that there’s a black man in the white house. Perhaps it could also be the fact that they’re sore losers. Clinton sure got a lot of unnecessary b-llshit heat. Whitewater, Monica Lewinsky…..I’ll gladly agree with anyone who says the Waco disaster was a big Clinton f-up but most of the other things the right screamed about Clinton was nonsense. And so it is with Obama. Maybe it’s just that the right can’t stand to lose and to be governed by anyone on the so-called left…..which isn’t really so left anyway.

  • Gregory

    Liberals and people who do use their brains independently do not get the Tea Party because there is nothing there. None of the reasons they have given for creating their movement are found in reality. The Dems are reducing the deficit and lowering spending. They’re not trying to push a socialist agenda. They should be credited with keeping the recession from going into a depression. And they’ve tried, in a stumbling, fumbling way to reform Health Care. Etc etc etc.

    No…despite all their rhetoric about what they are for…the Tea Party is merely against Obama and the Democrats and they are also against the Constitution, whether it is the original doc or the amendments they do not like. The Tea Party is nothing less than the evidence of a minority of Americans who would like nothing better than to turn the USA in a Theocracy and legislate morality to you. This is because the world is changing, the American population is becoming more diverse. Yes, rich white folks are still in charge, but we’re not going back to the “Golden Age” of the 50s when whites not only were in charge, they made sure the darkies were sat on the back of the bus.

    This is why the frothing nonsense of the Tea Party is actually a sign of Hope. Because if they weren’t scared, they wouldn’t be coming out like this embarrassing themselves when they can’t answer direct questions about their political views. “Why do you think Obama is a muslim?” “Because he attended a church for 20 yrs where the Christian pastor was a closet muslim.” “So Obama and his former pastor were all that time secretly Muslims.” “Yes.” “And why is that bad?” “Because Islam is not a religion, it is a group of people who are using religion as an excuse to take over the world.” “Like Christianity has done for several centuries?” “Oh, I see who you are now, you’re just trying to twist my words around.”

    Sigh.

    Tea Party, you’ll take my religious freedom from my cold, dead hands.

    fiat lux

    • AWAKEN

      Sorry, you are very confused… Both sides are corporate run and against the constitution. Quit playing the left right game, it’s an endless paradox. I would like the tea party, in its original grassroots form, but they have been rebranded as establishment republicans, you just need to realize that it is the same case with the liberals. There aren’t any real people in office besides a few exceptions. Once people will wake up and realize that BOTH of the main parties have the same masters. Same agenda with very few differences. Neither are offering us what we want. They may say they are, but look behind the curtain. Quit accepting bullshit. Quit letting them get you all riled up over religion, don’t you realize it’s all catch words and rhetoric? “Buzz words”. Wake up. Things can change if we unite, fuck arguing over small unimportant issues!!! (Not that I don’t respect your religion or think its “unimportant”, but there are bigger issues! Your religion will be fine, even if we end up in concentration camps, they cannot take that away from you so worry about something else! Like your kids and kids kids being financial slaves for their whole lives, cursed to pay the infinite debt that these banksters are bestowing upon us.) WAKE UP. LEFT-RIGHT=SAME ENDGAME.

  • Gregory

    Liberals and people who do use their brains independently do not get the Tea Party because there is nothing there. None of the reasons they have given for creating their movement are found in reality. The Dems are reducing the deficit and lowering spending. They’re not trying to push a socialist agenda. They should be credited with keeping the recession from going into a depression. And they’ve tried, in a stumbling, fumbling way to reform Health Care. Etc etc etc.

    No…despite all their rhetoric about what they are for…the Tea Party is merely against Obama and the Democrats and they are also against the Constitution, whether it is the original doc or the amendments they do not like. The Tea Party is nothing less than the evidence of a minority of Americans who would like nothing better than to turn the USA in a Theocracy and legislate morality to you. This is because the world is changing, the American population is becoming more diverse. Yes, rich white folks are still in charge, but we’re not going back to the “Golden Age” of the 50s when whites not only were in charge, they made sure the darkies were sat on the back of the bus.

    This is why the frothing nonsense of the Tea Party is actually a sign of Hope. Because if they weren’t scared, they wouldn’t be coming out like this embarrassing themselves when they can’t answer direct questions about their political views. “Why do you think Obama is a muslim?” “Because he attended a church for 20 yrs where the Christian pastor was a closet muslim.” “So Obama and his former pastor were all that time secretly Muslims.” “Yes.” “And why is that bad?” “Because Islam is not a religion, it is a group of people who are using religion as an excuse to take over the world.” “Like Christianity has done for several centuries?” “Oh, I see who you are now, you’re just trying to twist my words around.”

    Sigh.

    Tea Party, you’ll take my religious freedom from my cold, dead hands.

    fiat lux

  • My_Take

    My take is that the liberals, conservatives, tea party, democrats, republicans, left, right, whatever, DID have a grassroots movement and real people wanting to change/make things better. But they were ALL hijacked by the establishment, and under their exterior are the same neo-cons that have always been running shit. Do you guys really think any REAL movement will be permitted in this country? Nope, and if anyone tries they better be armed to the teeth and dead serious. We all want the same thing in the endgame, liberty and financial freedom are the top 2, and none of these parties are offering a solution. I mean, I like Ron Paul, he bashes left and right and has the right idea, but even if he got elected president, without strong support he would be killed on the spot.

    Oh and I saw this article bashing the so called tea party candidates for “wanting to change the constitution” but when you read the actual article, its just them saying that you shouldn’t be able to jump over the US/Mexico border and shoot out a baby and all the sudden the baby gets my money. I agree with that though. Do you guys want to pay for people to pull that shit?

    • Hadrian999

      those changes are just a trial run, if it works you can count on the bill of rights only having 1 amendment left in place.

      • Butter Knife

        The 10th?

        I know you’re not saying the 2nd would be last to go. Not by a long shot.

    • Liam_McGonagle

      If you’re so worried about where YOUR money is going why don’t you recommend increasing the marginal rate on corps and giving out proceeds as a refund to individuals? The corps defrauded the individual tax payer by at LEAST $321 Trillion last year alone.

      In 1965 federal receipts from corps were 21.8% of total; in 2009 they were 6.6%. In 1965 federal receipts from individuals were 41.8% of the total; in 2009 they were 43.5%.

      http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/
      [Table 2.1]

      Oh wait, I get it now–Tea Partiers are such stupid hypocrites that they’re only willing to get angry at BROWN PEOPLE. Who, after all don’t wield anything like the corps’ influence over the GOP.

      Yup, much easier to beat up on a bunch of brown women and children than to have any balls and stand up to the real villains in this story.

      • AWAKEN

        Hey Liam, you responded to a comment I left? How crazy! Lol, and you made racist assumptions again at me with no backing??? How surprising!!

        NO, I am 10000% against all of the last 60 years of growing corporate fascism, and i say it all the time, you just choose to ignore it and make racist remarks to me. You are a fucking racist and i see it all the time. IM BLACK RETARD.

        Liam, I’m all but sure that you are paid (minimum wage) to comment here, you never respond to reasonable answers to your comments, you pick and choose and try to twist peoples words like fox news and cnn. You are the epitome of a disinfo (now the site) fag. Get a life, quit confusing everyone and turning everyone against each other by spitting your mindless dribble. Fuckin lame.

        • Liam_McGonagle

          So, how many psuedonyms does that make you trolling under now? There’s so many it’s hard to keep them all straight.

          1. “ComeOnBarry”?
          2. “Hmmmmm”?
          3. “AWAKEN”?
          4. “My_Take”? (If you read carefully, you will note that I responded to someone pretending to be called “My_Take”, but you responded with yet another name. Huh.)
          5. MeatHandler?

          Face it, MeatHandler, it’s pretty clear what you’re up to: Bullshit Tea Party Trolling. You never offer any real answers, and you run away from real challenges, like taking on the banks instead of the browns.

          Grow up and settle on a single identity, you fraud.

    • eristocrat

      Anchor babies are a red herring. Yes, that does happen but it’s nowhere near anything of a weight on the economy in the way that constant tax cuts for the upper 10% are or how much stress the wars have put on domestic resources or how the complete lack of maintaining of infrastructure here in the country has been more a problem with all our “disasters” lately than some idiotic divine retribution.

      I live in New Orleans, you think I give a shit about the people who came here illegally and worked their asses off to help get my city built back up? I’m more worried about the levee systems and the complete lack of any legitimate movement on the part of the federal government to help protect the city and even less when it comes to coastal erosion (which is the much larger long term threat beyond playing the hurricane lottery).

      Using immigrants (legal or illegal) as political cannon fodder just plays to people’s lowest common denominator.

      And you don’t have to be armed to the teeth. The people who took over this country didn’t do it armed to the teeth. They used effective manipulation of the markets, government, and macro level psychology. You cannot win the war against those tactics with a gun. A REAL movement needs to have a titanium diamond coated dark matter solid core foundation with regard to the philosophy. A gun sets you back more than it propels you forward. Especially when your side is increasing losing grip on the media.

  • My_Take

    My take is that the liberals, conservatives, tea party, democrats, republicans, left, right, whatever, DID have a grassroots movement and real people wanting to change/make things better. But they were ALL hijacked by the establishment, and under their exterior are the same neo-cons that have always been running shit. Do you guys really think any REAL movement will be permitted in this country? Nope, and if anyone tries they better be armed to the teeth and dead serious. We all want the same thing in the endgame, liberty and financial freedom are the top 2, and none of these parties are offering a solution. I mean, I like Ron Paul, he bashes left and right and has the right idea, but even if he got elected president, without strong support he would be killed on the spot.

    Oh and I saw this article bashing the so called tea party candidates for “wanting to change the constitution” but when you read the actual article, its just them saying that you shouldn’t be able to jump over the US/Mexico border and shoot out a baby and all the sudden the baby gets my money. I agree with that though. Do you guys want to pay for people to pull that shit?

  • AWAKEN

    Sorry, you are very confused… Both sides are corporate run and against the constitution. Quit playing the left right game, it’s an endless paradox. I would like the tea party, in its original grassroots form, but they have been rebranded as establishment republicans, you just need to realize that it is the same case with the liberals. There aren’t any real people in office besides a few exceptions. Once people will wake up and realize that BOTH of the main parties have the same masters. Same agenda with very few differences. Neither are offering us what we want. They may say they are, but look behind the curtain. Quit accepting bullshit. Quit letting them get you all riled up over religion, don’t you realize it’s all catch words and rhetoric? “Buzz words”. Wake up. Things can change if we unite, fuck arguing over small unimportant issues!!! (Not that I don’t respect your religion or think its “unimportant”, but there are bigger issues! Your religion will be fine, even if we end up in concentration camps, they cannot take that away from you so worry about something else! Like your kids and kids kids being financial slaves for their whole lives, cursed to pay the infinite debt that these banksters are bestowing upon us.) WAKE UP. LEFT-RIGHT=SAME ENDGAME.

  • 5by5

    LOL. The op-ed pages of the Wall St Journal. Now there’s an unbiased source for your news. NOT.

    Krugman was obviously referring to the Tea Party “movement” as “astroturf” or fake grassroots, because it’s major funding, organization, and main propaganda sources which get ordinary people to buy into it, comes from ultra-wealthy douchebags like the Koch brothers, or GOP/corporate hacks like Dick Armey. This is simply a fact. Average people are being USED. It’s about exploiting people’s anger and confusion about the future and redirecting it so that they work against their own best interests by intentionally misinforming them about the facts.

    • Simmer

      “It’s about exploiting people’s anger and confusion…”
      Or to give “average people” the benefit of the doubt, it’s about sublimating the people’s desire for self-determination and personal freedom into mass support of the material opposite.

      Pro-choice, “family-values,” hard-on-crime, and pro-oligopoly candidates successfully pass themselves off as main street saviors and anarchists, because they have the funding and position to capitalize on the justifiable fear that a distant, unresponsive, and powerful governing body steeped in corporate money will launch the country headlong into fascist state-capitalism.

  • Anonymous

    LOL. The op-ed pages of the Wall St Journal. Now there’s an unbiased source for your news. NOT.

    Krugman was obviously referring to the Tea Party “movement” as “astroturf” or fake grassroots, because it’s major funding, organization, and main propaganda sources which get ordinary people to buy into it, comes from ultra-wealthy douchebags like the Koch brothers, or GOP/corporate hacks like Dick Armey. This is simply a fact. Average people are being USED. It’s about exploiting people’s anger and confusion about the future and redirecting it so that they work against their own best interests by intentionally misinforming them about the facts.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Effete intellectual liberals don’t “get” the Tea Party…because effete intellectual liberals actually read old books by the founding fathers…in their totality, not the Glenn Beck “Cliff Notes For Buzzword Drones” edited versions. History is not on the side of Tea Party…the ignorance of history and abundant selective editing are at the core of their pronouncements about the “intentions” of the founding fathers and early leaders of our country. This is why liberals don’t ‘get’ them…because when you’ve read the actual intentions and questions of the framers of the Constitution…it’s mentally impossible to look upon a pack of batshit rabid borderline illiterate weasels taking their funding from the extreme right and equate any of their actions with any form of patriotism.

    • AWAKEN

      Yea Vox, you get it… some people in both parties have good intentions, they are just being drowned out purposefully by the establishment politicians and media talking heads. It really is too bad that we cant start a real movement without worries of it being jacked by the establishment neocons. We need to see through the bullshit and work together, call out both parties on all of their bullshit clams. Weed out the fakes and con artists. It really isn’t that hard to see through, I wish that people weren’t so damn lost to reality.

      • Honuman

        You’re right of course. It is easy to see through. Breaking through and maintaining integrity is another story. There’s nothing the people at the top wouldn’t do to maintain their power and since they already have blood on their hands it would be a very difficult and dangerous project. Look at Wikilieaks and he’s just trying to show the emperor has no clothes.

        • AWAKEN

          Yeah too true man… Too true. And I really dont know what to make of wikileaks…Julian Assange is against 911 truth and it kinda seems to me as if they (the establishment) purposefully either fed wikileaks information, or actually created wikileaks… I dunno really. It’s iffy, cuz a lot of what was “released” by wikileaks was already public information for anyone who knows how to do research…

          But yeah, It would take some crazy shit to get people to actually go after the real culprits in all this shit…. People are funding both sides to advance their agendas, no way around it. And I strongly believe that at this point, all of this is a fucking GAME to make everyone run around like idiots, arguing about things that dont matter. Keeping us from really uniting as one so they can establish their new world order right in front of our eyes.

      • Laws456

        I want to do something but, wait dancing with the stars is on. Then I have to watch the latest Kardashians episode.

        • Word Eater

          Buy a TiVo you socialist!

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Effete intellectual liberals don’t “get” the Tea Party…because effete intellectual liberals actually read old books by the founding fathers…in their totality, not the Glenn Beck “Cliff Notes For Buzzword Drones” edited versions. History is not on the side of Tea Party…the ignorance of history and abundant selective editing are at the core of their pronouncements about the “intentions” of the founding fathers and early leaders of our country. This is why liberals don’t ‘get’ them…because when you’ve read the actual intentions and questions of the framers of the Constitution…it’s mentally impossible to look upon a pack of batshit rabid borderline illiterate weasels taking their funding from the extreme right and equate any of their actions with any form of patriotism.

  • 5by5

    Oh and PS, Barry Goldwater wouldn’t be caught dead with any of these crazy Tea Party candidates like Sharon Angle, Phil Davidson, Christine O’Donnell, or Carl Palladino. Goldwater was many things, but he didn’t favor either the aggressive ignorance, or the crazy religious wingnuttery of the Moral Majority types from which these Tea Partiers descend. And certainly an intellectual like William F. Buckley would be horrified at a candidate like O’Donnell, who’s running to be a Senator of the United States, and can’t even think of a recent Supreme Court case to comment on when asked, much less speak authoritatively about the Constitution.

    • Laws456

      Damn!! Excellent post.

    • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

      Amen…Goldwater or Buckley were intellects of another brighter era…where careful thought had been put in before choosing a position…their kind are all but dead in the GOP now…and non-existent in the Tea Party.

  • Anonymous

    Oh and PS, Barry Goldwater wouldn’t be caught dead with any of these crazy Tea Party candidates like Sharon Angle, Phil Davidson, Christine O’Donnell, or Carl Palladino. Goldwater was many things, but he didn’t favor either the aggressive ignorance, or the crazy religious wingnuttery of the Moral Majority types from which these Tea Partiers descend. And certainly an intellectual like William F. Buckley would be horrified at a candidate like O’Donnell, who’s running to be a Senator of the United States, and can’t even think of a recent Supreme Court case to comment on when asked, much less speak authoritatively about the Constitution.

  • AWAKEN

    Yea Vox, you get it… some people in both parties have good intentions, they are just being drowned out purposefully by the establishment politicians and media talking heads. It really is too bad that we cant start a real movement without worries of it being jacked by the establishment neocons. We need to see through the bullshit and work together, call out both parties on all of their bullshit clams. Weed out the fakes and con artists. It really isn’t that hard to see through, I wish that people weren’t so damn lost to reality.

  • AWAKEN

    I agree with you, but your opinion only represents the majority of the brainwashed tea baggers, some of them have good intentions and hate that their movement was turned into a republican neo con party. You just need to understand that each of the presidents that you mentioned are just scapegoats for the real decisionmakers (CFR/Trilateral commission/IMF/World bank/Federal Reserve/Military industrial complex/Fortune 500/Etc) That’s all anyone needs to know, look up each representative of whatever so called party that you support, and you wont like ANY party if you do the research.

  • Honuman

    You’re right of course. It is easy to see through. Breaking through and maintaining integrity is another story. There’s nothing the people at the top wouldn’t do to maintain their power and since they already have blood on their hands it would be a very difficult and dangerous project. Look at Wikilieaks and he’s just trying to show the emperor has no clothes.

  • AWAKEN

    Yeah too true man… Too true. And I really dont know what to make of wikileaks…Julian Assange is against 911 truth and it kinda seems to me as if they (the establishment) purposefully either fed wikileaks information, or actually created wikileaks… I dunno really. It’s iffy, cuz a lot of what was “released” by wikileaks was already public information for anyone who knows how to do research…

    But yeah, It would take some crazy shit to get people to actually go after the real culprits in all this shit…. People are funding both sides to advance their agendas, no way around it. And I strongly believe that at this point, all of this is a fucking GAME to make everyone run around like idiots, arguing about things that dont matter. Keeping us from really uniting as one so they can establish their new world order right in front of our eyes.

  • Hadrian999

    those changes are just a trial run, if it works you can count on the bill of rights only having 1 amendment left in place.

  • Simmer

    “It’s about exploiting people’s anger and confusion…”
    Or to give “average people” the benefit of the doubt, it’s about sublimating the people’s desire for self-determination and personal freedom into mass support of the material opposite.

    Pro-choice, “family-values,” hard-on-crime, and pro-oligopoly candidates successfully pass themselves off as main street saviors and anarchists, because they have the funding and position to capitalize on the justifiable fear that a distant, unresponsive, and powerful governing body steeped in corporate money will launch the country headlong into fascist state-capitalism.

  • friendlyreminder

    Let’s not forget: the Wall Street Journal is one of the many properties of NewsCorp. It should be no surprise that Fox News’ print front also supports the Tea Party and tries to legitimize an entirely hijacked movement. Tea Party was born from Ron Paul’s run at president but has turned to represent the worst of Paul’s beliefs with none of the best that he offers in terms of constitutionality, freedom, and personal liberty (unless you’re some retard who can only see personal liberty as “free of taxes” which means you have no clue how the fiat monetary system works).

  • friendlyreminder

    Let’s not forget: the Wall Street Journal is one of the many properties of NewsCorp. It should be no surprise that Fox News’ print front also supports the Tea Party and tries to legitimize an entirely hijacked movement. Tea Party was born from Ron Paul’s run at president but has turned to represent the worst of Paul’s beliefs with none of the best that he offers in terms of constitutionality, freedom, and personal liberty (unless you’re some retard who can only see personal liberty as “free of taxes” which means you have no clue how the fiat monetary system works).

  • Liam_McGonagle

    If you’re so worried about where YOUR money is going why don’t you recommend increasing the marginal rate on corps and giving out proceeds as a refund to individuals? The corps defrauded the individual tax payer by at LEAST $321 Trillion last year alone.

    In 1965 federal receipts from corps were 21.8% of total; in 2009 they were 6.6%. In 1965 federal receipts from individuals were 41.8% of the total; in 2009 they were 43.5%.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/
    [Table 2.1]

    Oh wait, I get it now–Tea Partiers are such stupid hypocrites that they’re only willing to get angry at BROWN PEOPLE. Who, after all don’t wield anything like the corps’ influence over the GOP.

    Yup, much easier to beat up on a bunch of brown women and children than to have any balls and stand up to the real villains in this story.

  • eristocrat

    Anchor babies are a red herring. Yes, that does happen but it’s nowhere near anything of a weight on the economy in the way that constant tax cuts for the upper 10% are or how much stress the wars have put on domestic resources or how the complete lack of maintaining of infrastructure here in the country has been more a problem with all our “disasters” lately than some idiotic divine retribution.

    I live in New Orleans, you think I give a shit about the people who came here illegally and worked their asses off to help get my city built back up? I’m more worried about the levee systems and the complete lack of any legitimate movement on the part of the federal government to help protect the city and even less when it comes to coastal erosion (which is the much larger long term threat beyond playing the hurricane lottery).

    Using immigrants (legal or illegal) as political cannon fodder just plays to people’s lowest common denominator.

    And you don’t have to be armed to the teeth. The people who took over this country didn’t do it armed to the teeth. They used effective manipulation of the markets, government, and macro level psychology. You cannot win the war against those tactics with a gun. A REAL movement needs to have a titanium diamond coated dark matter solid core foundation with regard to the philosophy. A gun sets you back more than it propels you forward. Especially when your side is increasing losing grip on the media.

  • Laws456

    99% of the tea party movement is astroturf. Any group who stands to limit the fuckery of govt and corporate America would have been silenced a long time ago. The fact that they are always on the tv shows you that they aren’t threatening to the status quo. These people are funded by the Koch bros, who wouldn’t want to see their profit margins diminish by one red cent.

  • Anonymous

    99% of the tea party movement is astroturf. Any group who stands to limit the fuckery of govt and corporate America would have been silenced a long time ago. The fact that they are always on the tv shows you that they aren’t threatening to the status quo. These people are funded by the Koch bros, who wouldn’t want to see their profit margins diminish by one red cent.

  • Anonymous

    I want to do something but, wait dancing with the stars is on. Then I have to watch the latest Kardashians episode.

  • Anonymous

    Damn!! Excellent post.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LZNJUGQUKQ5GBYR3FZ3D4FJF7I Donald

    For me the question to ask is simple: Did the founding fathers foresee corporations? Last I read, they (for the most part) wanted corporations to stay in England, far from the United States.

    That the tea partiers seem overeager to support corporations over people shows them as, at best, concerned but misled. Never mind color issues or their inability to handle losing or the fact that they’ve been having sissy fits for the past thirty years whenever it looks like they won’t have their way (I’m doing my best to be sympathetic, and the amount of blindness needed is staggering) or their attempts at depicting the USA as a Christian nation (Christian-supportive, of course…but many of the leaders and founders were MASONS, as was the beloved president Washington).

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LZNJUGQUKQ5GBYR3FZ3D4FJF7I Donald

    For me the question to ask is simple: Did the founding fathers foresee corporations? Last I read, they (for the most part) wanted corporations to stay in England, far from the United States.

    That the tea partiers seem overeager to support corporations over people shows them as, at best, concerned but misled. Never mind color issues or their inability to handle losing or the fact that they’ve been having sissy fits for the past thirty years whenever it looks like they won’t have their way (I’m doing my best to be sympathetic, and the amount of blindness needed is staggering) or their attempts at depicting the USA as a Christian nation (Christian-supportive, of course…but many of the leaders and founders were MASONS, as was the beloved president Washington).

  • Butter Knife

    The 10th?

    I know you’re not saying the 2nd would be last to go. Not by a long shot.

  • Word Eater

    Buy a TiVo you socialist!

  • AWAKEN

    Hey Liam, you responded to a comment I left? How crazy! Lol, and you made racist assumptions again at me with no backing??? How surprising!!

    NO, I am 10000% against all of the last 60 years of growing corporate fascism, and i say it all the time, you just choose to ignore it and make racist remarks to me. You are a fucking racist and i see it all the time. IM BLACK RETARD.

    Liam, I’m all but sure that you are paid (minimum wage) to comment here, you never respond to reasonable answers to your comments, you pick and choose and try to twist peoples words like fox news and cnn. You are the epitome of a disinfo (now the site) fag. Get a life, quit confusing everyone and turning everyone against each other by spitting your mindless dribble. Fuckin lame.

  • Anonymous

    Well, Jefferson himself did certainly hate corporations. He commented to a friend on the wildly unpopular “Dartmouth v Woodward” case, establishing precedent for perpetual corporate existence:

    “[The Court] . . . suppose[s] that . . . the earth belongs to the dead, and not the living.”*

    *Letter from Jefferson to New Hampshire Governor Plumer, quoted at footnote 4, page 230, Chapter V, volume IV, “The Life of John Marshall”, by Albert Jeremiah Beveridge

    http://books.google.com/books?id=S-f6qqg5ooYC&pg=PA230&lpg=PA230&dq=dartmouth+%22governor+plumer%22+Jefferson+earth+belongs+to+the+living&source=bl&ots=8OYWwXJ4L-&sig=Rht_-kafSMK-DCp2OfueX01iXJU&hl=en&ei=cOPVS8ztEJT2MqmfqdID&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=dartmouth%20college%20case&f=false

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Amen…Goldwater or Buckley were intellects of another brighter era…where careful thought had been put in before choosing a position…their kind are all but dead in the GOP now…and non-existent in the Tea Party.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    So, how many psuedonyms does that make you trolling under now? There’s so many it’s hard to keep them all straight.

    1. “ComeOnBarry”?
    2. “Hmmmmm”?
    3. “AWAKEN”?
    4. “My_Take”? (If you read carefully, you will note that I responded to someone pretending to be called “My_Take”, but you responded with yet another name. Huh.)
    5. MeatHandler?

    Face it, MeatHandler, it’s pretty clear what you’re up to: Bullshit Tea Party Trolling. You never offer any real answers, and you run away from real challenges, like taking on the banks instead of the browns.

    Grow up and settle on a single identity, you fraud.

  • Brother Sun

    @Haystack Just because there are some Republicans who go to Tea Party rallies, that doesn’t mean they represent the Tea Party. Did you listen to Ron Paul’s awesome S.F. speech on YouTube? He emphatically advocates ending all foreign wars and occupations! He also advocates FREEDOM, including the right for states to de-criminalize cannabis if that’s what the people want. In the past, Republicans or Democrats have both pandered to get elected, but then pushed the same agenda of enslaving the people and taking away our freedoms through bigger government. Only the Independents are wise to this ploy to divide us by partisan bickering. Deep down, all people want FREEDOM. So join us. Also, your wrote “The Tea Partiers resent any spending on the economy,”… That’s because the economy is not helped by “spending!” The only way the government has money to “spend” is if they take it from us, or go into debt. That can’t help anything. The economy is helped by reducing spending and reducing taxes. Just think of all the extra money we’d have if we stopped all the foreign wars!

  • Brother Sun

    @Haystack Just because there are some Republicans who go to Tea Party rallies, that doesn’t mean they represent the Tea Party. Did you listen to Ron Paul’s awesome S.F. speech on YouTube? He emphatically advocates ending all foreign wars and occupations! He also advocates FREEDOM, including the right for states to de-criminalize cannabis if that’s what the people want. In the past, Republicans or Democrats have both pandered to get elected, but then pushed the same agenda of enslaving the people and taking away our freedoms through bigger government. Only the Independents are wise to this ploy to divide us by partisan bickering. Deep down, all people want FREEDOM. So join us. Also, your wrote “The Tea Partiers resent any spending on the economy,”… That’s because the economy is not helped by “spending!” The only way the government has money to “spend” is if they take it from us, or go into debt. That can’t help anything. The economy is helped by reducing spending and reducing taxes. Just think of all the extra money we’d have if we stopped all the foreign wars!

  • GUEST WHO

    “University educations and advanced degrees notwithstanding, they lack a basic understanding of the contours of American constitutional government.” – As opposed to lacking in ALL understanding of the constitution, like Christine ODonnell?

    • StanW

      Interesting, so you think the words “separation of church and state” can be found in the U.S. Constitution?

  • GUEST WHO

    “University educations and advanced degrees notwithstanding, they lack a basic understanding of the contours of American constitutional government.” – As opposed to lacking in ALL understanding of the constitution, like Christine ODonnell?

  • StanW

    Interesting, so you think the words “separation of church and state” can be found in the U.S. Constitution?