Why You Shouldn’t Vote … Ever

Site editor’s note: This post from DJ Pangburn originally appeared on death + taxes.

What to do if you’re courageous enough to admit the Obama administration and Democrats are full of shit and the Tea Party and Republicans are dangerous and stupid?


Barack Obama the messenger

President Barack Obama soared into the public consciousness with a stirring speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. He then took Howard Dean’s example and used the power of the Internet to create a fundraising juggernaut for his historic 2008 Presidential run. With a swiftness not seen since JFK’s political ascendancy, Obama became president and claimed broad power to affect “change” across the country. But Kennedy only had to surmount his Irish Catholic background — Barack Obama had to transcend the fact that he is African-American.

But appearances are, in the final analysis, immaterial. Just as a magician uses scenery and sleight-of-hand to divert the audience’s attention, Barack Obama has used his background, intellect, perceived worldliness and powers of speech to distort the reality field, as I call it (to repurpose Steve Jobs’ “reality-distortion field”).  To get Americans thinking about a certain reality, while another is at work behind the scenes.

Maybe you — an Obama voter — have asked yourself, “What happened to the man for whom I voted?” I would argue nothing. Make no mistake about it: Barack Obama is a masterful political manipulator.  And if one is able to let dissolve mental distinctions of party — Democrat, Republican — then Obama can be seen for what he really is: a trojan horse.

I am not a religious man. I am not a Republican and I am not a Democrat. A Jeffersonian Democrat might be more on point. But labels are so inelegant and ultimately rather pointless. And, I must admit, I erred most spectacularly in my vote for Barack Obama. There I sat front and center in the Obama Magic Show: my reason lobotomized by my desire—no, need—to see a man of great intellect inhabit the office after the devolutionary presidency of George W. Bush.

This was Obama’s greatest trick: the lobotomization of man’s capacity to reason. The wolf hadn’t come in sheep’s clothing — he’d used the alchemy of television and print to transmogrify himself into a saint. All were not fooled by the illusionist, however; but just enough were dazzled in the end to give Obama the presidency and the Democrats control of Congress, where they continued the Bush policy of caving to corporate masters and of American political and economic hegemony.

The Koch Brothers-funded Tea Party reactionaries, however, aren’t as into illusion as Obama and the Democrats, unless of course you examine the sugar daddies behind the Tea Party apparatus, flush with corporate dollars. Look into Robert Rowling and Trever Rees-Jones of American Crossroads (a 527 organization led by Karl Rove), or more prominently Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News, his perpetual motion machine of corporate pitch men.

The answer for them is limited government but robust national defense policy. Translation: unimpeded corporate dominance in the U.S. economy and muscular foreign policy in the Reagan and Bush 43 tradition, which will benefit defense contractors. Two different but ultimately convergent streams to enrich corporate entities. The openness of this method is startling in its brazenness.

The Tea Party has some sensible ideas in the limited government platform, but the reality of their vision would be an approximation of the Reagan and Bush presidencies: secrecy, hawkish military maneuvering, corporate welfare, rapacious capitalism and so forth. That is the endpoint of the limited government espoused by the Tea Party reactionaries. Defense contractors and corporations benefit markedly, and maybe some benefit will be seen elsewhere, but certainly not in middle-class bank accounts. Limited government, in fact, is devoid of meaning because the master remains the same: big business.

President Obama revealed his true colors when he had a unique moment in American history to effectively punish Wall Street and the banking system that brought the nation and the world to its knees, but did not. Wall Street’s banks went unpunished. Why? Obama’s economic team, populated by ex-Goldman Sachs bankers, continues to let the Federal Reserve act as Wall Street’s visible hand in the nation and world’s economy. What, I ask, has really changed from President Bush’s presidency to Obama’s?


When it comes to the treatment of big business, we can’t tell the difference, either

Obama’s pulling the military out of Iraq finally (though advisors will remain) but escalating our Afghan campaign. He lords over the largest intelligence services in the world in the CIA and NSA, who continue their culture of violating civil liberties. And Obama will be given the power to essentially “kill” the internet by way of the Senator Joseph Lieberman-sponsored “Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act (PCNAA).”  The bill would allow the President to shut down all or portions of the internet in the event of a cyber attack, but this is all scenery because the potentialities of such power should be downright frightening to all Americans.

In the event that our government becomes outwardly oppressive in the future — a fundamentalist, crusading religious state, for example — the President would be able to shut down the Internet. The President, in effect, would be able to effectively control the flow of information; control the message in any critical moment; dissent would be crippled; mobilization of protests eliminated, or at least rendered more manageable. It would make a mockery of the American right of free speech and assembly, and mark us as no freer than the Chinese people.

And, as Dylan Ratigan noted last week with his well-articulated rant on “Morning Joe,” Obama is maintaining the U.S. policy of not going after the source of radical Islamic terrorism–Saudi Arabian funding of Wahabi schools.  Schools that gave birth to the men who have visited terror on the U.S. and the world for decades now, including the 9/11 attacks.

What is an informed voter to do when presented with the illusionary tactics of Obama and the Democrats and the oligarchical platform of the Tea Party Republicans?

I might be courting controversy here, but it occurs to me the only gesture that makes any sense is: Don’t vote.

Voting in past elections has continually given us two options — one  found in the open contempt for common people (Republicans) and the other in the two-faced champion of the people (Democrats).

Your vote tethers you to the machine. It absorbs the last bit of freedom you possess: the freedom to resist your ownership by the mechanisms of power.  We can never fully escape the political reality that a minority, cloaked in the illusion of majority rule (Democrats or Republicans), manages our lives in one form or another from the moment of our birth to our very last breath.

Vote and you endorse one unfair political system over another. You legitimize its existence. You may vote for Democrats in the mid-terms because you don’t want to hand power over to the Tea Party reactionaries (a legitimate concern), but you are endorsing an apparatus (the Democratic party) that is still dominated by big business.

Do not let others saddle you with guilt for exercising your right of refusal. Instead of voting, why not take a more direct path of action in your community by volunteering your time by helping a literacy organization, for instance. Teach creative writing so a generation will rise who can speak truth to power. Educate others about the real stories behind history that our education system cannot and will not (by government sanction) teach.  Volunteer your time at a food pantry. Work for lower rent in your neighborhood, like James Sullivan would have you do. Organize with others to combat racial or other social injustices in your neighborhood.

As Professor Brian Martin of University of Wollongong, Australia, writes:

“[T]he founding of the modern state a few centuries ago was met with great resistance: people would refuse to pay taxes, to be conscripted or to obey laws passed by national governments. The introduction of voting and the expanded suffrage have greatly aided the expansion of state power. Rather than seeing the system as one of ruler and ruled, people see at least the possibility of using state power to serve themselves. As electoral participation has increased, the degree of resistance to taxation, military service, and the immense variety of laws regulating behaviour, has been greatly attenuated.”

There are other ways of exercising your civic duty to your fellow citizens.

Don’t vote. Do something.

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  • Andrew

    There are third parties and independent candidates. But I guess black and white thinking is all most Americans can handle. The pronouncement that they’re not electorally viable is nothing but a self-fulfilling prophesy.

    > Your vote tethers you to the machine. It absorbs the last bit of freedom you possess: the freedom to resist your ownership by the mechanisms of power.

    No it doesn’t.

    • Krttikas

      “No it doesn’t.”

      Powerful argument. I will counter with an equal powerful argument:

      Yes it does.

      • Robobagons

        LoL!

  • Andrew

    There are third parties and independent candidates. But I guess black and white thinking is all most Americans can handle. The pronouncement that they’re not electorally viable is nothing but a self-fulfilling prophesy.

    > Your vote tethers you to the machine. It absorbs the last bit of freedom you possess: the freedom to resist your ownership by the mechanisms of power.

    No it doesn’t.

  • Andrew

    There are third parties and independent candidates. But I guess black and white thinking is all most Americans can handle. The pronouncement that they’re not electorally viable is nothing but a self-fulfilling prophesy.

    > Your vote tethers you to the machine. It absorbs the last bit of freedom you possess: the freedom to resist your ownership by the mechanisms of power.

    No it doesn’t.

  • Curtis

    I agree with much of the article, except for the part about not voting. I’m still voting Tuesday, I just won’t vote for a Democrat or a Republican. Instead of not voting, people dissatisfied with the two party sham should vote for a third party. Not voting does nothing. It’s time to make “third party” a phrase that has meaning in America. Also, don’t forget that voter referendums in some states also serve as a way to reject the policies of those in power: I’ll be voting in favor of Prop. 19 in California, which isn’t supported by either major party.

  • Curtis

    I agree with much of the article, except for the part about not voting. I’m still voting Tuesday, I just won’t vote for a Democrat or a Republican. Instead of not voting, people dissatisfied with the two party sham should vote for a third party. Not voting does nothing. It’s time to make “third party” a phrase that has meaning in America. Also, don’t forget that voter referendums in some states also serve as a way to reject the policies of those in power: I’ll be voting in favor of Prop. 19 in California, which isn’t supported by either major party.

  • http://www.theamericanbookofthedead.com Henry Baum

    I’m sorely disappointed in Obama. I see no daylight between the corporatism of the two parties. Where I do see daylight, however, is in radical religious extremists – and those exist primarily on the right. So while Obama is nursing a broken system, he’s not a part of the religious right. Voting Democrat might tether you to the machine, but the machine of Christian fundamentalism is a 1000 times worse than the system we have today. I wish there was a better alternative, but any vote that keeps a Tancredo or Michelle Bachmann out of power is a necessary one.

  • http://www.theamericanbookofthedead.com Henry Baum

    I’m sorely disappointed in Obama. I see no daylight between the corporatism of the two parties. Where I do see daylight, however, is in radical religious extremists – and those exist primarily on the right. So while Obama is nursing a broken system, he’s not a part of the religious right. Voting Democrat might tether you to the machine, but the machine of Christian fundamentalism is a 1000 times worse than the system we have today. I wish there was a better alternative, but any vote that keeps a Tancredo or Michelle Bachmann out of power is a necessary one.

  • http://www.theamericanbookofthedead.com Henry Baum

    I’m sorely disappointed in Obama. I see no daylight between the corporatism of the two parties. Where I do see daylight, however, is in radical religious extremists – and those exist primarily on the right. So while Obama is nursing a broken system, he’s not a part of the religious right. Voting Democrat might tether you to the machine, but the machine of Christian fundamentalism is a 1000 times worse than the system we have today. I wish there was a better alternative, but any vote that keeps a Tancredo or Michelle Bachmann out of power is a necessary one.

    • http://vaslittlecrow.com/ Vas Littlecrow Wojtanowicz

      Actually, Obama is a fundamentalist Christian. His Christianity is neither brimstone and fire, nor anti-science, but he does try to impose his religion on public policy. He has publicly stated that he opposes gay marriage. And, ultimately back-pedaled on the California and DODT decisions in direct contradiction of his original campaign promises, but in line with his faith.http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/11/obama-on-mtv-i.htmlhttp://vaslittlecrow.livejournal.com/2010/10/13/ (Bottom section entitled: “Giving Gays The Right To Fight for Freedom”)He wants to expand faith-based initiatives, which blurs lines within the separation of church and state, and is frankly, unconstitutional.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25473529/http://www.kentucky.com/2008/05/15/405410/obama-stresses-his-faith-in-ads.htmlHe thinks that Sarah Palin’s church is reasonable.http://vaslittlecrow.livejournal.com/633805.htmlHis backs the establishment of civil religion.http://pewforum.org/Religion-News/Obama-refashions-Americas-old-time-civil-religion.aspxLiberal faith leaders LOVE him.http://pewforum.org/Religion-News/Re-energized-religious-left-delivers-for-Obama.aspxI have no confidence that a vote for Obama will change entrenched Christian fundamentalism, let alone corporatism. Thus far, he and the majority of candidates for the mainline party have said one thing and done another. Voting records, consistency and public statements outside of the campaign trail matter more to me than party affiliation. That’s why I would’ve rather voted for Kucinich than McCain or Obama for President, even though I disagree with the former on pretty much everything.

      • http://www.theamericanbookofthedead.com Henry Baum

        “Actually, Obama is a fundamentalist Christian. His Christianity is neither brimstone and fire, nor anti-science…”

        Well, then he’s not a fundamentalist Christian, which is the point. As I said, I’m disappointed in Obama. It’s equally disappointing that every viable candidate has to be a Christian. But Obama doesn’t appear to be an End Timer. There’s a chasm of difference between Obama and Pat Robertson.

        This is the slippery slope of – they’re all the same, fuck em. They’re not all the same.

        • http://vaslittlecrow.com/ Vas Littlecrow Wojtanowicz

          I agree that they’re not all the same, but I disagree with your assessment of fundamentalism.

          Fundamentalist Christian is not the same thing as a Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian or a Fundamentalist Catholic. Out of the three evangelical is the only group that is explicitly anti-science at this point in history, (though Catholicism is fairly ignorant in matters of human biology) and the most brimstone and hellfire. There is fundamentalism in every religious movement. I consider anyone who tries to impose a theocratic controls on government whether Muslim, Christian, Jewish, et cetera, to be a fundamentalist by design.

  • Anonymous

    Alright, I’ve been thinking…I know, kind of dangerous. I voted for Obama but I realized early on that I had to be rational and logical. Seriously. I guess the disappointment I feel for not getting things done legislatively is replaced with hope that more people than ever are actually paying attention to our system of governance. Maybe most of you who try to be vigilant and responsible have been doing this for a while, be patient and welcoming to those who were not. Use your knowledge to invite, not to make people feel inferior.

    If Americans aren’t going to revolt and we’re going to try to work within this system, we have to become more active. And in most cases when you hear get active, you think “sacrifice.” Maybe it will eat up some of your leisure or down time, but until we start taking over at the local levels, we can’t expect the change to trickle down It doesn’t work that way w/money and it won’t with policy either. We can be mad with Obama and even work to find a better candidate in 2012 but the fact is we have to remain visible and we have to start starving the beasts of America badly. And oh yeah, STOP SNITCHING!!!!!!! Seriously.

  • Anonymous

    Alright, I’ve been thinking…I know, kind of dangerous. I voted for Obama but I realized early on that I had to be rational and logical. Seriously. I guess the disappointment I feel for not getting things done legislatively is replaced with hope that more people than ever are actually paying attention to our system of governance. Maybe most of you who try to be vigilant and responsible have been doing this for a while, be patient and welcoming to those who were not. Use your knowledge to invite, not to make people feel inferior.

    If Americans aren’t going to revolt and we’re going to try to work within this system, we have to become more active. And in most cases when you hear get active, you think “sacrifice.” Maybe it will eat up some of your leisure or down time, but until we start taking over at the local levels, we can’t expect the change to trickle down It doesn’t work that way w/money and it won’t with policy either. We can be mad with Obama and even work to find a better candidate in 2012 but the fact is we have to remain visible and we have to start starving the beasts of America badly. And oh yeah, STOP SNITCHING!!!!!!! Seriously.

  • Laws456

    Alright, I’ve been thinking…I know, kind of dangerous. I voted for Obama but I realized early on that I had to be rational and logical. Seriously. I guess the disappointment I feel for not getting things done legislatively is replaced with hope that more people than ever are actually paying attention to our system of governance. Maybe most of you who try to be vigilant and responsible have been doing this for a while, be patient and welcoming to those who were not. Use your knowledge to invite, not to make people feel inferior.

    If Americans aren’t going to revolt and we’re going to try to work within this system, we have to become more active. And in most cases when you hear get active, you think “sacrifice.” Maybe it will eat up some of your leisure or down time, but until we start taking over at the local levels, we can’t expect the change to trickle down It doesn’t work that way w/money and it won’t with policy either. We can be mad with Obama and even work to find a better candidate in 2012 but the fact is we have to remain visible and we have to start starving the beasts of America badly. And oh yeah, STOP SNITCHING!!!!!!! Seriously.

  • emperorreagan

    I’ll spend fifteen minutes filling in the write-in portions of the ballot with a combination of figures I admire, fictional characters, and perhaps a bit of gibberish. Or I might just write in the participants in the Mad Hatter’s tea party.

  • emperorreagan

    I’ll spend fifteen minutes filling in the write-in portions of the ballot with a combination of figures I admire, fictional characters, and perhaps a bit of gibberish. Or I might just write in the participants in the Mad Hatter’s tea party.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, and California…We’re watching you…I feel somewhat excited and I’m on the other side of the country. It will be interesting to watch the actions of the Feds in response to this. It can be cool, or it can be ugly, I wonder if cooler heads will prevail. Perhaps they should smoke some fire before they sit down and talk about enforcing the federal law.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, and California…We’re watching you…I feel somewhat excited and I’m on the other side of the country. It will be interesting to watch the actions of the Feds in response to this. It can be cool, or it can be ugly, I wonder if cooler heads will prevail. Perhaps they should smoke some fire before they sit down and talk about enforcing the federal law.

  • emperorreagan

    I’ll spend fifteen minutes filling in the write-in portions of the ballot with a combination of figures I admire, fictional characters, and perhaps a bit of gibberish. Or I might just write in the participants in the Mad Hatter’s tea party.

    • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

      I want to write in a book for election to office. My vote goes to “120 Days Of Sodom” by the Marquis DeSade.

  • Laws456

    Oh, and California…We’re watching you…I feel somewhat excited and I’m on the other side of the country. It will be interesting to watch the actions of the Feds in response to this. It can be cool, or it can be ugly, I wonder if cooler heads will prevail. Perhaps they should smoke some fire before they sit down and talk about enforcing the federal law.

  • Pb

    I think it is important to contrast and compare this writer’s arguments to Keith Olbermann’s Special Commentary in this earlier post: http://disinfo.com/2010/10/keith-olbermann-the-dangers-of-the-tea-party-candidates/

  • Pb

    I think it is important to contrast and compare this writer’s arguments to Keith Olbermann’s Special Commentary in this earlier post: http://www.disinfo.com/2010/10/keith-olbermann-the-dangers-of-the-tea-party-candidates/

  • dan

    …th’ “and so forth’s give away th’ true identity of this shill…

  • dan

    …th’ “and so forth’s give away th’ true identity of this shill…

  • dan

    …th’ “and so forth’s give away th’ true identity of this shill…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3YL4OBZXFN6QESL2IZCBK7G7EM Skip M

    That’s the spirit! http://www.voteother.us

  • http://disinfo.com ralph

    Vote None of the Above! I’ve never really understood why this isn’t a viable option. You can learn a lot from ’80s movie comedies:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LPdTXRjIKQ

  • http://disinfo.com ralph

    Vote None of the Above! I’ve never really understood why this isn’t a viable option. You can learn a lot from ’80s movie comedies:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LPdTXRjIKQ

  • ralph

    Vote None of the Above! I’ve never really understood why this isn’t a viable option. You can learn a lot from ’80s movie comedies:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LPdTXRjIKQ

    • http://vaslittlecrow.com/ Vas Littlecrow Wojtanowicz

      LOL!!! It is a viable option, people just have to try it. “None of the Above” was the write-in winner in Puerto Rico’s last statehood referendum. Our island is full of nutcases by mainland standards, but I think the United States could use the chaos sometimes. ;)

  • Verita2347

    I have not voted in many years as I do not believe in supporting the mechanisms ov a completely corrupt system, Just look at what happened in florida when Bush was “elected” lol… So in turn I urge others not to vote, remain free ov the snares ov those who would pretend to own something they can never own, the world and the universe is more than black and white, it is more than ones and zeros, do not be limited by the conjurrations ov those illusionists who would pretend to help but take all behind the scenes… We have motile mynds and we function in a motile universe, escape the boxes and reach for your divine potential, we can run and own ourselves!

  • Verita2347

    I have not voted in many years as I do not believe in supporting the mechanisms ov a completely corrupt system, Just look at what happened in florida when Bush was “elected” lol… So in turn I urge others not to vote, remain free ov the snares ov those who would pretend to own something they can never own, the world and the universe is more than black and white, it is more than ones and zeros, do not be limited by the conjurrations ov those illusionists who would pretend to help but take all behind the scenes… We have motile mynds and we function in a motile universe, escape the boxes and reach for your divine potential, we can run and own ourselves!

  • Verita2347

    I have not voted in many years as I do not believe in supporting the mechanisms ov a completely corrupt system, Just look at what happened in florida when Bush was “elected” lol… So in turn I urge others not to vote, remain free ov the snares ov those who would pretend to own something they can never own, the world and the universe is more than black and white, it is more than ones and zeros, do not be limited by the conjurrations ov those illusionists who would pretend to help but take all behind the scenes… We have motile mynds and we function in a motile universe, escape the boxes and reach for your divine potential, we can run and own ourselves!

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I want to write in a book for election to office. My vote goes to “120 Days Of Sodom” by the Marquis DeSade.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Why do I get the horrible creeping feeling that this article really qualifies for the site Disinfo? The whole thing reads like a well written screed designed to soothe exhausted liberals into just giving up and staying home…complete with a historic accusation that the enfranchising of people made laws work better…

    …apparently because the good old days where your lord hanged you whether you broke a law or not…because he felt like it…were just peachy and keen. Fuck that noise…the arrival of the modern state and the concept of people possessing value beyond their mere service are a direct product of Enlightenment era examinations of the shortfalls of feudalism.

    Vote…AND do something else. Let Pangborn and the rest go play ‘an hero’ and be irrelevant.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Why do I get the horrible creeping feeling that this article really qualifies for the site Disinfo? The whole thing reads like a well written screed designed to soothe exhausted liberals into just giving up and staying home…complete with a historic accusation that the enfranchising of people made laws work better…

    …apparently because the good old days where your lord hanged you whether you broke a law or not…because he felt like it…were just peachy and keen. Fuck that noise…the arrival of the modern state and the concept of people possessing value beyond their mere service are a direct product of Enlightenment era examinations of the shortfalls of feudalism.

    Vote…AND do something else. Let Pangborn and the rest go play ‘an hero’ and be irrelevant.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Why do I get the horrible creeping feeling that this article really qualifies for the site Disinfo? The whole thing reads like a well written screed designed to soothe exhausted liberals into just giving up and staying home…complete with a historic accusation that the enfranchising of people made laws work better…

    …apparently because the good old days where your lord hanged you whether you broke a law or not…because he felt like it…were just peachy and keen. Fuck that noise…the arrival of the modern state and the concept of people possessing value beyond their mere service are a direct product of Enlightenment era examinations of the shortfalls of feudalism.

    Vote…AND do something else. Let Pangborn and the rest go play ‘an hero’ and be irrelevant.

  • jcbc

    Some good points, but some lousy ones. The right to vote is something that people are still dying for all over the world. In my grandmother’s generation, women were finally given that right in the west. It was my mum’s generation that finally saw people of colour get that right. Always vote – even if all you do is deface the ballot – then go out and DO something. Those actions are not mutually exclusive…..

  • jcbc

    Some good points, but some lousy ones. The right to vote is something that people are still dying for all over the world. In my grandmother’s generation, women were finally given that right in the west. It was my mum’s generation that finally saw people of colour get that right. Always vote – even if all you do is deface the ballot – then go out and DO something. Those actions are not mutually exclusive…..

  • Hypnos1

    Its pretty easy to get your average Democrat and Republican voter to agree that their vote is largely symbolic. Then its a small step to show why using that symbolic vote on a third party “throw-away vote” can be such a good idea. The sooner the monopoly the Democrats and Republicans hold on our government is ended, the sooner We The People can take back our country from Them The Corporations.

  • Hypnos1

    Its pretty easy to get your average Democrat and Republican voter to agree that their vote is largely symbolic. Then its a small step to show why using that symbolic vote on a third party “throw-away vote” can be such a good idea. The sooner the monopoly the Democrats and Republicans hold on our government is ended, the sooner We The People can take back our country from Them The Corporations.

  • Hypnos1

    Its pretty easy to get your average Democrat and Republican voter to agree that their vote is largely symbolic. Then its a small step to show why using that symbolic vote on a third party “throw-away vote” can be such a good idea. The sooner the monopoly the Democrats and Republicans hold on our government is ended, the sooner We The People can take back our country from Them The Corporations.

  • http://twitter.com/SaintDharma George Anderson

    I will sum up: Vote. You earn the right to bitch about the system if you participate. After that, then you seek to change it. But you participate anyway.

  • http://twitter.com/SaintDharma George Anderson

    I will sum up: Vote. You earn the right to bitch about the system if you participate. After that, then you seek to change it. But you participate anyway.

  • http://twitter.com/SaintDharma George Anderson

    I will sum up: Vote. You earn the right to bitch about the system if you participate. After that, then you seek to change it. But you participate anyway.

  • Voig Nederlander

    I’m trying hard to comprehend the logic behind completely withdrawing when a choice you made turns out to disappoint you; one might scarcely ever dine out again, fall in love or even wear pants.

    I get it; Obama isn’t as dynamic a leader as many of us had hoped. However, consider what might be if those of us who DID vote for him had laid out that election. Does any of us really believe a McCain/Palin ticket would have us in a better place right now??

    Refusing to vote is as good as surrendering your freedom. If you are going to allow others to make all your choices for you, then your life in a Democratic Republic seems moot.

  • Voig Nederlander

    I’m trying hard to comprehend the logic behind completely withdrawing when a choice you made turns out to disappoint you; one might scarcely ever dine out again, fall in love or even wear pants.

    I get it; Obama isn’t as dynamic a leader as many of us had hoped. However, consider what might be if those of us who DID vote for him had laid out that election. Does any of us really believe a McCain/Palin ticket would have us in a better place right now??

    Refusing to vote is as good as surrendering your freedom. If you are going to allow others to make all your choices for you, then your life in a Democratic Republic seems moot.

  • Voig Nederlander

    I’m trying hard to comprehend the logic behind completely withdrawing when a choice you made turns out to disappoint you; one might scarcely ever dine out again, fall in love or even wear pants.

    I get it; Obama isn’t as dynamic a leader as many of us had hoped. However, consider what might be if those of us who DID vote for him had laid out that election. Does any of us really believe a McCain/Palin ticket would have us in a better place right now??

    Refusing to vote is as good as surrendering your freedom. If you are going to allow others to make all your choices for you, then your life in a Democratic Republic seems moot.

  • http://twitter.com/vaslittlecrow Vanesa Littlecrow W

    Actually, Obama is a fundamentalist Christian. His Christianity is neither brimstone and fire, nor anti-science, but he does try to impose his religion on public policy. He has publicly stated that he opposes gay marriage. And, ultimately back-pedaled on the California and DODT decisions in direct contradiction of his original campaign promises, but in line with his faith.http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/11/obama-on-mtv-i.htmlhttp://vaslittlecrow.livejournal.com/2010/10/13/ (Bottom section entitled: “Giving Gays The Right To Fight for Freedom”)He wants to expand faith-based initiatives, which blurs lines within the separation of church and state, and is frankly, unconstitutional.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25473529/http://www.kentucky.com/2008/05/15/405410/obama-stresses-his-faith-in-ads.htmlHe thinks that Sarah Palin’s church is reasonable.http://vaslittlecrow.livejournal.com/633805.htmlHis backs the establishment of civil religion.http://pewforum.org/Religion-News/Obama-refashions-Americas-old-time-civil-religion.aspxLiberal faith leaders LOVE him.http://pewforum.org/Religion-News/Re-energized-religious-left-delivers-for-Obama.aspxI have no confidence that a vote for Obama will change entrenched Christian fundamentalism, let alone corporatism. Thus far, he and the majority of candidates for the mainline party have said one thing and done another. Voting records, consistency and public statements outside of the campaign trail matter more to me than party affiliation. That’s why I would’ve rather voted for Kucinich than McCain or Obama for President, even though I disagree with the former on pretty much everything.

  • http://twitter.com/vaslittlecrow Vanesa Littlecrow W

    LOL!!! It is a viable option, people just have to try it. “None of the Above” was the write-in winner in Puerto Rico’s last statehood referendum. Our island is full of nutcases by mainland standards, but I think the United States could use the chaos sometimes. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/vaslittlecrow Vanesa Littlecrow W

    LOL!!! It is a viable option, people just have to try it. “None of the Above” was the write-in winner in Puerto Rico’s last statehood referendum. Our island is full of nutcases by mainland standards, but I think the United States could use the chaos sometimes. ;)

  • http://www.theamericanbookofthedead.com Henry Baum

    “Actually, Obama is a fundamentalist Christian. His Christianity is neither brimstone and fire, nor anti-science…”

    Well, then he’s not a fundamentalist Christian, which is the point. As I said, I’m disappointed in Obama. It’s equally disappointing that every viable candidate has to be a Christian. But Obama doesn’t appear to be an End Timer. There’s a chasm of difference between Obama and Pat Robertson.

    This is the slippery slope of – they’re all the same, fuck em. They’re not all the same.

  • http://www.theamericanbookofthedead.com Henry Baum

    “Actually, Obama is a fundamentalist Christian. His Christianity is neither brimstone and fire, nor anti-science…”

    Well, then he’s not a fundamentalist Christian, which is the point. As I said, I’m disappointed in Obama. It’s equally disappointing that every viable candidate has to be a Christian. But Obama doesn’t appear to be an End Timer. There’s a chasm of difference between Obama and Pat Robertson.

    This is the slippery slope of – they’re all the same, fuck em. They’re not all the same.

  • http://twitter.com/vaslittlecrow Vanesa Littlecrow W

    I agree that they’re not all the same, but I disagree with your assessment of fundamentalism.

    Fundamentalist Christian is not the same thing as a Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian or a Fundamentalist Catholic. Out of the three evangelical is the only group that is explicitly anti-science at this point in history, (though Catholicism is fairly ignorant in matters of human biology) and the most brimstone and hellfire. There is fundamentalism in every religious movement. I consider anyone who tries to impose a theocratic controls on government whether Muslim, Christian, Jewish, et cetera, to be a fundamentalist by design.

  • 5by5

    “Why You Shouldn’t Vote … Ever”

    I gotta say, that is one of the singly most un-American things I’ve ever heard.

    So you’re pissed about the corporatism that’s poisoning both parties. Well dipshit, that’s not an excuse to become LESS involved, that’s a reason to insist on better, and to make you voice heard in every way you can, including voting.

    People DIED so you could have that privilege — at a minimum the LEAST you can do is get your punk ass to the polls and do your civic duty in response. Even if you think it won’t do any good to vote your conscience, do so anyways. It’s what makes us different from placed like Saudi Arabia, or North Korea.

  • 5by5

    “Why You Shouldn’t Vote … Ever”

    I gotta say, that is one of the singly most un-American things I’ve ever heard.

    So you’re pissed about the corporatism that’s poisoning both parties. Well dipshit, that’s not an excuse to become LESS involved, that’s a reason to insist on better, and to make you voice heard in every way you can, including voting.

    People DIED so you could have that privilege — at a minimum the LEAST you can do is get your punk ass to the polls and do your civic duty in response. Even if you think it won’t do any good to vote your conscience, do so anyways. It’s what makes us different from placed like Saudi Arabia, or North Korea.

  • 5by5

    Oh and the third party thing is worthless too, unless you’ve got run-off voting in play in national elections. So if you really want to break the stranglehold on politics that the two parties have, then it’s long past time for you to realize you don’t live in a parliamentary system, and you need to work for another solution, so you can get enough Greens into power for instance, that they can actually caucus together and get things done. The only way to really do that, is via run-off voting. Campaign for that, and you might actually make a difference.

  • 5by5

    Oh and the third party thing is worthless too, unless you’ve got run-off voting in play in national elections. So if you really want to break the stranglehold on politics that the two parties have, then it’s long past time for you to realize you don’t live in a parliamentary system, and you need to work for another solution, so you can get enough Greens into power for instance, that they can actually caucus together and get things done. The only way to really do that, is via run-off voting. Campaign for that, and you might actually make a difference.

  • oman28

    ‘What to do if you’re courageous enough to admit the Obama administration and Democrats are full of shit and the Tea Party and Republicans are dangerous and stupid?’

    It didn’t make me feel very courageous at all.

  • Anonymous

    ‘What to do if you’re courageous enough to admit the Obama administration and Democrats are full of shit and the Tea Party and Republicans are dangerous and stupid?’

    It didn’t make me feel very courageous at all.

  • Grunion

    Especially don’t vote if you live in OH-8. I’m hoping to stay on John Boehner’s payroll for another 20 years.

  • Grunion

    Especially don’t vote if you live in OH-8. I’m hoping to stay on John Boehner’s payroll for another 20 years.

  • Krttikas

    “No it doesn’t.”

    Powerful argument. I will counter with an equal powerful argument:

    Yes it does.

  • http://One-Simple-Idea.com d.a.n

    Not voting is not the solution.
    The solution is NOT repeatedly rewarding FOR-SALE, irresponsible, incompetent, and corruput with perpetual re-eleciton.
    Stop rewarding those that perpetuate these abuses: http://One-SImple-Idea.com/Abuses.htm
    Voting Guidelines: http://One-Simple-Idea.com/ProsCons.htm

    At any rate, the majority of voters have the government that they elect, and re-elect, . . . , and re-elect, at least, possibly, until repeatedly rewarding failure, and repeatedly rewarding FOR-SALE, incompetent, arrogant, greedy, and corrupt incumbent politicians in Congress with perpetual re-election rates finally becomes too painful.

  • http://One-Simple-Idea.com d.a.n

    Not voting is not the solution.
    The solution is NOT repeatedly rewarding FOR-SALE, irresponsible, incompetent, and corruput with perpetual re-eleciton.
    Stop rewarding those that perpetuate these abuses: http://One-SImple-Idea.com/Abuses.htm
    Voting Guidelines: http://One-Simple-Idea.com/ProsCons.htm

    At any rate, the majority of voters have the government that they elect, and re-elect, . . . , and re-elect, at least, possibly, until repeatedly rewarding failure, and repeatedly rewarding FOR-SALE, incompetent, arrogant, greedy, and corrupt incumbent politicians in Congress with perpetual re-election rates finally becomes too painful.

  • George M. Anderson

    I understand your point here, and one should do other things. However, you vote anyway. I don’t give a rats ass if voting legitimizes the broken system by creating an illusion of choice over the party. Here’s a better idea: Endorse the candidate that is outside of that system. This way, you can do your civic duty and still hold fast to whatever you believe in.

    Above all else, VOTE! You don’t get to complain about it if you don’t participate in it.

  • Saint Dharma

    I understand your point here, and one should do other things. However, you vote anyway. I don’t give a rats ass if voting legitimizes the broken system by creating an illusion of choice over the party. Here’s a better idea: Endorse the candidate that is outside of that system. This way, you can do your civic duty and still hold fast to whatever you believe in.

    Above all else, VOTE! You don’t get to complain about it if you don’t participate in it.

  • Anonymous

    LoL!

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t voted yet, and don’t plan to, just like south park put it, its between a giant douche and shit sandwich, I know its kinda childish to reference from a cartoon, but they do have a point…Besides, even we DID magically get someone as president into office, what are the odds you think, of him living for very long? The corporate elites that run this world wouldn’t have it. Just be another JFK…Anyways, why don’t they give you an option to VOTE Against someone without having to vote for another to do so? Can’t I just vote against a person? I think they should have that option, If the people that they have picked all sucked, which most of the time they do, I’d gladly give up my “Vote For” to just “Vote Against” lol…

    I’d rather not have a shit sandwich or a giant douche, so as of now, there really is no point that I see to vote.

  • Robobagons

    I haven’t voted yet, and don’t plan to, just like south park put it, its between a giant douche and shit sandwich, I know its kinda childish to reference from a cartoon, but they do have a point…Besides, even we DID magically get someone as president into office, what are the odds you think, of him living for very long? The corporate elites that run this world wouldn’t have it. Just be another JFK…Anyways, why don’t they give you an option to VOTE Against someone without having to vote for another to do so? Can’t I just vote against a person? I think they should have that option, If the people that they have picked all sucked, which most of the time they do, I’d gladly give up my “Vote For” to just “Vote Against” lol…

    I’d rather not have a shit sandwich or a giant douche, so as of now, there really is no point that I see to vote. Besides, I think they need to do a complete overhaul of how politicians are elected, the length of their term, their benefits, exc… Half those people are just there for that…I’d also like to point out how ironic it is that they try and sell people these health benefit plans, but IN THE BILL the government are exempt from all the terms, and conditions for some reason. If its so great, why not take a sip of your own tea?

  • Akunamatauta

    Vote Aliester Crowley for president 2012!!

  • Akunamatauta

    Vote Aliester Crowley for president 2012!!

  • RadicalDude

    Democracy should not be thought of solely in terms of whether you have the right to vote, but more importantly whether those in power are responsive to the interests of the populace. In this way, we can question whether the U.S. is really a democratic nation as it is often described.

  • RadicalDude

    Democracy should not be thought of solely in terms of whether you have the right to vote, but more importantly whether those in power are responsive to the interests of the populace. In this way, we can question whether the U.S. is really a democratic nation as it is often described.

  • Guest

    As far as I can see the banks have already won. The government is in the business of safe guarding the already wealthy and blameless. Unless someone returns what has been taken, the next bailout should cripple the economy beyond salvation, which seems to be the purpose of government at this time. Instead of creating new markets that would benefit all of US, the heads of banks devise plans to legally take what they need from the taxpayer via bad investments. The bankers need only to support more debt; for example, world warfare which well require more loans. When the UN gives the green light to China to call the shots instead of the USA, our paper money will be worthless and then can be used as tissue paper. It’s time to take your money out of the bank, hold funds in hand for a couple of weeks until these Nazis, and Corporate Communists realize where the power is. Politicians are obsolete, as is the military; the way to peace and a so called stable economy is to divorce ourselves from these incompetent structures. The third part of the problem are the unpatriotic corporations, they need to have their corporate charters revoked and their holdings impounded. Impeach Obama for a start, dissolve the intelligence communities (they aren’t that smart) and deconstruct the corporations in question, recall all corporate wealth from off-shore accounts, nullify bank secrecy laws. The GOP needs a heart first, themselves; as well as a brain. The god obsolete party (GOP) needs to be buried in an unmarked grave. The other living dead party needs to meet up with the fate of the zombies in resident evil. Neither major party has a soul, they are not really people, they are corporations. The third parties have already been co-opted by the intelligence community, the media and under funding. The rest of US are becoming more radioactive by the second and consequently will suffer organ failure and die. Home of the greed and the ‘fraid. Hopefully, when we reincarnate; we will have learned our lessons. As a man with multiple cancers, living too close to the nuclear power facility in Beaver County, Pennsylvania, I will still be able to drive a stake through these energy vampires that have destroyed my country.

  • Anonymous

    As far as I can see the banks have already won. The government is in the business of safe guarding the already wealthy and blameless. Unless someone returns what has been taken, the next bailout should cripple the economy beyond salvation, which seems to be the purpose of government at this time. Instead of creating new markets that would benefit all of US, the heads of banks devise plans to legally take what they need from the taxpayer via bad investments. The bankers need only to support more debt; for example, world warfare which well require more loans. When the UN gives the green light to China to call the shots instead of the USA, our paper money will be worthless and then can be used as tissue paper. It’s time to take your money out of the bank, hold funds in hand for a couple of weeks until these Nazis, and Corporate Communists realize where the power is. Politicians are obsolete, as is the military; the way to peace and a so called stable economy is to divorce ourselves from these incompetent structures. The third part of the problem are the unpatriotic corporations, they need to have their corporate charters revoked and their holdings impounded. Impeach Obama for a start, dissolve the intelligence communities (they aren’t that smart) and deconstruct the corporations in question, recall all corporate wealth from off-shore accounts, nullify bank secrecy laws. The GOP needs a heart first, themselves; as well as a brain. The god obsolete party (GOP) needs to be buried in an unmarked grave. The other living dead party needs to meet up with the fate of the zombies in resident evil. Neither major party has a soul, they are not really people, they are corporations. The third parties have already been co-opted by the intelligence community, the media and under funding. The rest of US are becoming more radioactive by the second and consequently will suffer organ failure and die. Home of the greed and the ‘fraid. Hopefully, when we reincarnate; we will have learned our lessons. As a man with multiple cancers, living too close to the nuclear power facility in Beaver County, Pennsylvania, I will still be able to drive a stake through these energy vampires that have destroyed my country.

  • guest

    how about we all vote for anyone but dems, repubs, and tea party.  get more voices, more opinions heard… and prepare for the eventual  revolution that will have to happen on a global scale when we all admit that human beings are human beings regardless of skin color, language, religion (or lack thereof).  It can be done without killing anyone, even though the government(s) may kill a few in a desperate attempt to hold on to their power.

  • guest

    how about we all vote for anyone but dems, repubs, and tea party.  get more voices, more opinions heard… and prepare for the eventual  revolution that will have to happen on a global scale when we all admit that human beings are human beings regardless of skin color, language, religion (or lack thereof).  It can be done without killing anyone, even though the government(s) may kill a few in a desperate attempt to hold on to their power.

  • Executiveimpact

    I tend to agree, except with your conclusion. Having been a Libertarian for over 30 years, how about the option of thumbing you nose at the “You’re throwing your vote away” dogmatists and vote Libertarian? What’s wrong with having a 3rd party that has maintained its independence for decades?

  • Executiveimpact

    I tend to agree, except with your conclusion. Having been a Libertarian for over 30 years, how about the option of thumbing you nose at the “You’re throwing your vote away” dogmatists and vote Libertarian? What’s wrong with having a 3rd party that has maintained its independence for decades?

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  • Calvin Steele

    I love this part of the article :
      “We can never fully escape the political reality that a minority, cloaked in the illusion of majority rule (Democrats or Republicans), manages our lives in one form or another from the moment of our birth to our very last breath.”
     
    Really ? Wow, thanks for letting me know this. I probably would’ve went on my hole life without ever noticing it was being “managed in one form or another”.
     
    Jokes aside, I agree with the author on the fact that people who can should help their communities more instead of just bitching about how bad things are. 
    I also agree that our current government and leaders are much more corrupt than most think.
    But to change the current state of american policies, the last thing you want to do is sit on your ass when it comes time to vote and then watch the results on tv. If you believe in a socialist government but hate the democrat’s representative so much, then you have the option of the independent party. It isn’t exactly what your looking for but its close enough.
     
    Personally I will vote for Ron Paul : end of fractional banking; end of the Fed; end of a huge and unnessecary government; and finally, I hope, justice.

  • Calvin Steele

    I love this part of the article :
      “We can never fully escape the political reality that a minority, cloaked in the illusion of majority rule (Democrats or Republicans), manages our lives in one form or another from the moment of our birth to our very last breath.”
     
    Really ? Wow, thanks for letting me know this. I probably would’ve went on my hole life without ever noticing it was being “managed in one form or another”.
     
    Jokes aside, I agree with the author on the fact that people who can should help their communities more instead of just bitching about how bad things are. 
    I also agree that our current government and leaders are much more corrupt than most think.
    But to change the current state of american policies, the last thing you want to do is sit on your ass when it comes time to vote and then watch the results on tv. If you believe in a socialist government but hate the democrat’s representative so much, then you have the option of the independent party. It isn’t exactly what your looking for but its close enough.
     
    Personally I will vote for Ron Paul : end of fractional banking; end of the Fed; end of a huge and unnessecary government; and finally, I hope, justice.

  • Bess

    I agree wholeheartedly with this article.  I don’t vote either.  Not voting is the future.  We’re evolving beyond it…some of us are just getting there first.  Voting is just so old paradigm.

  • Bess

    I agree wholeheartedly with this article.  I don’t vote either.  Not voting is the future.  We’re evolving beyond it…some of us are just getting there first.  Voting is just so old paradigm.

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