Zeitgeist: Moving Forward

Peter Joseph has created another sequel to the ever-popular Zeitgeist. Entitled Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, the movie will be released in 60+ countries and in 20+ languages starting January 15th 2011. Here’s the official description:

Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, by director Peter Joseph, is a feature length documentary work which will present a case for a needed transition out of the current socioeconomic monetary paradigm which governs the entire world society. This subject matter will transcend the issues of cultural relativism and traditional ideology and move to relate the core, empirical “life ground” attributes of human and social survival, extrapolating those immutable natural laws into a new sustainable social paradigm called a “Resource-Based Economy”.

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  • Hypnos1

    Now don’t get me wrong, I really admire the work of Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco, but does anyone else feel like their beliefs tend towards the totalitarian? A much nicer, smoother, technocratic dictatorship than our existing ruling classes for sure, but still… anyone else see that?

    • Hypnos1

      http://www.thevenusproject.com/ in case my above comment made no sense.

    • Simiantonge

      I would have to watch these movies again. Bot something does smack of “master plan” to me, you’re right Hypnos1. It does look appealing but that makes me all the more skeptical. I wonder if the Zeitgeist movement got their new culture “institutionalized” becoming the new establishment, what would happen?

      “As punishment for my contempt for authority, Fate has made me an authority myself.” – Albert Einstein.

      P.S. Also I found the first 30 seconds very distracting. Growing up as a young man during the early days of cable TV, I spent many a late night hour in front of a staticky, distorted, scrambled TV screen trying to discern the porn it was playing. Now I find as an adult that the sight of such screens makes me randy as hell. I realize intellectually that is somewhat of a Pavlovian response. But I still can’t seem to help myself. Yes this PS was just a joke so kill me.

    • Sexyyuan

      Dude, don’t get me wrong.. but you’re absolutely right. I do not admire Peter Joseph nor Jacque Fresco. It is exactly that, a technocratic scientific dictatorship that they preach. This is seriously head on part of the New World Order agenda.. Zeitgeist was a great movie.. The second movie is where the catch came.. where they pose their solution that is worse than the problem. It’s very sad to see people falling for this sh*t who have good intentions. This is exactly what we’re learning in school right now, and for a good reason.. we talk about socioeconomic equity, economic inequality, and how it contributes to bad health, a bad environment, and more. This does not go to the root of the problem. It’s easier for people to get caught up in this. I am sure this this is being pushed by Cointelpro and other NWO shills.. =(

      • Modesty0420

        i think the venus project will govern something like what this documentary describes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlqU1o3NmSw

        • Dan Mac

          A lot more appealing than the NWO descending all around us. It would of course require great, wide, and vigilant over site.

      • Seektruthtv

        the new world order that you describe will be inevitable if the current system persists and the self appointed guardians of the status quo remain in tact. People always compare New World Order & The Venus Project based on it’s Global Approach however they are far different. The Global Order will materialize one way or another but the danger lyes in whom will run the machines and show – we the people via (TVP) or the elite via (NWO)

        TZM & TVP are NOT NWO – it is a scientific solution to the corrupted and outdated monetary system that will eventually lead us into totalitarian NWO in Orwell’s 1984.

      • Dan Mac

        It is important to remain open minded skeptics.

      • Stimpyfish

        you’re an idiot. By your definition, John Lennon and Martin Luther King were part of the New World Order agenda. We are reaching a point where technology is taking over human labor anyways, and the whole system is in a spasm, attempting to fight it, rather than letting it free us. Yes, the NWO people want to have the whole world under their control without borders, without soverinty, but the Zeitgeist people want a world without borders – WITHOUT A LEADING GOVERNMENT OR POLITICIANS telling people what they can and cant do. Zeitgeist is not NWO – it does not want a body of people in power at the top. That is a fundamental flaw in your entire point here, and in a lot of people who latch on to iconic systems that went wrong. Communism was wrong, socialism was wrong, but all so far have been based on money and stratification. The Zeitgeist movement is it’s own thing entirely. Do your homework and dont latch on to easy-outs. Yes the NWO is wrong – this is something different. Trust me.

        • Stimpyfish

          actually.. dont just trust me… dont take anything on “faith”… do your homework and learn about the differences between the systems and between this and the NWO before you comment like that.

      • Marvel

        Well you can say whatever you want. People should analise both sides of a storry before they make up their minds. So I trully belive that TVP ideas make sense interily. And remember: it would be a classless society. When did you saw something like that ever on the planet?

      • Carolinagsings77

        I agree… I almost dived into the mentality after beLIEving what they said about religion… then I looked deeper into the trUe teachings of religion… and found major fallacies in ZM’s claims…. then I realized EXACTLY who they really are…

        You got it… they are the ones were trying to get away from…. no need to fear though….

        Just make sure you KNOW your position………..

        • Dayidahosucks

          Even if there were parts wrong in the religion section of the dvd , there was still enough truth to make you atleast ponder the fact that you might have been fooled into false gods( most of you probaly don’t even particpate actively in you religion. a bunch of fakers lol). Even if the goals are not perfect in the venus project, it still is a better solution then what the world powers are coming up with. Some many people look to discredit the movement that they miss the real point of the movement. THE MOVEMENT WILL IMPROVE MORE PROBLEMS THEN THE CURRENT SYSTEM. there will be problems, of course, but we can eat,have shelter, and true free health care. These values alone make it worth trying.

    • Omnistpriest

      Actually, I find that most people project the totalitarianism onto the idea merely because of its technocratic elements. If one looks at the concept of Cyberarchical Administration, an example of the highest level of administration might be a Region Water Management Center. Since it is a systems-based approach the administration would be more distributed than centralized. Each system would be managed where it is located – there would be no hierarchy necessary. And only industrial systems would have such administration.

      • Orwella

        With this planet’s limited resources, there has to be restraint. If this is what you call totalitarian, so be it. I want to live in this totalitarian society.

    • Carolinagsings77

      yes

    • Mike

      First of all, let me state that I am an enthusiastic supporter of the Zeitgeist movement’s portrayal of the problems in the status-quo, and like Fresco, I feel that “This shit’s gotta go”… however, I strongly disagree with the premises of the Venus project.

      Who will write the software that automatically and “fairly” allocates resources to everyone? Unless everyone the world over is an absolute master software engineer, who could even check into the system to see if it’s fair? Without any leadership of any kind, who would go about making changes to the software to correct a flaw in its fairness algorithms? Without any laws or government, etc, what vehicles would even exist to begin to look at the system’s fairness?

      Let me also state that I am a master software architect on the leading edge of computer software and I can definitely say that the current state of software is a very, very, very, very long way from being “AI”. We can barely make system that work, period, let alone program intelligence. We don’t even understand the nature of human intelligence, so how can we build a software system to emulate this? Even if AI were in theory possible, ALL intelligent things will make decisions based on facts that it knows. How will a computer get its facts in an unbiased way? Is evolution merely a theory or fact? Are people causing global warming, or is it the increase in solar activity currently occurring? Will the software be left to come up with experiments to determine which is the case?

      Will all the uranium on the planet be harvested all at once and doled out to every citizen equally? Or will there need to be smarts in the AI software that by necessity allocates things unequally, which determines that citizens do not need uranium and sends all of the uranium to some research project or another? Who will determine what constitutes a valid research project? The software? Who will audit the software and report on its fairness? How will “the people” get to decide if the software is fair, if there is no democracy or nor leaders of anything anywhere?

      “No one is subservient to anyone else”… does this mean that a 9 year old child will have as much say in determining what constitutes a valid research project as 60 year old scientist? Who will draw up these “guidelines”? The software? lol.

      What if I “need” a particle accelerator, so that I can uncover the mystery of gravity and eventually build a really fast spacecraft to take us elsewhere? Will everyone get equal access to a particle accelerator, regardless of their scientific experience and knowledge? What if the accelerator doesn’t exist? How would a decision be made as to whether the project is worth spending the resources? The software? How will the software come pre-programmed to make all of these decisions about situations and technologies that don’t yet exist? Not all projects will succeed. How will the software calculate its decision when the chances of success are unknown and the possible benefits of a technical discovery also unpredictable and emergent? What if you are basically an Albert Einstein with a new idea so seemingly off the wall and out of the box that no-one but you can even understand the implications of your work? How will an AI system determine whether or not you should be allocated resources you are asking for?

      What if I am absolutely certain that I know how to build a spacecraft that will overcome current limitations? Will I just automatically get all the gold, copper, zinc, diamonds, fossil fuels, nuclear reactors, etc that I need to complete my project? Or, will I automatically be denied because the task requires more than 1/7,000,000,000th of the worlds “sustainable” gold harvest this year? Will everyone get an equal share of rare resources that couldn’t possible be given to everyone all at once because of their true scarcity (hint: not ALL scarcity is caused by market economics… oil takes millions of years to make, and gold comes from distant exploding stars). How will a software system be built by programmers to make these decisions, when humans themselves cannot agree on such issues. Should we harvest all the diamonds now and put them to use with the aim of reusing them, or should we only harvest 1 one-millionth of the known reserves, so that the harvest is forever sustainable? How will software make a decision like that?

      How will the software determine who gets to live on the hill overlooking the most beautiful vistas? Or will all land be flatted and made bland and featureless so that a modern Fresco-ville can be built there? Who will get the window apartment with the best view in the Fresco cities?

      Will computer technology change the natural world so that all soils contain the exact same elements (I think NOT)? Since the quality and flavor of food and drink is directly connected to the quality of the soil, how will the software determine who gets to drink the finer wines and eat the most nutritious foods?

      The implication that ALL medical care and operations would be performed by computer controlled robots is nonsense. What if there is an unforeseen complication? Will the software come pre-programmed with the knowledge of all possible forms of life that could ever exist? Viruses and even humans themselves are prone to genetic mutations and evolution, implying that medical knowledge is inherently an emergent system. Sorry folks, but such emergence will only be possible via continued dedication of really smart human beings who have devoted their entire lives to medical science. Hence, many medical problems will require human ingenuity to diagnose and solve. Will all doctors be equally smart because Fresco says they will be? Nope. Hence, some people will get the best doctor, and others will not. How will the software determine who gets access to the smartest doctor?

      There is an undertone in all of this “resource based totalitarianism” that says I cannot choose what is important to me. If I am willing to work a little harder to obtain something (say for arguments sake, an aged wine), that is clearly a pleasure and not a necessity, how can I do this is the new Fresco-world? No work, no money… so basically everyone who wants 100 year old wine will automatically get as much as they want? That’s nonsense, because it takes 100 years to make it and vineyards and storage are finite. Hence, the only alternative is to say all wines will be aged 1 year, end of story: no variance, no choice, no preference, no possibility to “work a little harder” to get some extra pleasure. To those who’d rather forgo their allotment of the years wine harvest altogether (perhaps because the do not believe in wine)… what value would they receive for their sacrifice? No, the answer to all of this (of course only discovered after the system is in place) will be to reduce everyone to their needs, with no wants at all. Hence, based on the scientific method, all you need to sustain yourselves is a few square feet of space, some water and a repetitive diet of some scientifically engineered processed food. Sound fun?

  • Hypnos1

    Now don’t get me wrong, I really admire the work of Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco, but does anyone else feel like their beliefs tend towards the totalitarian? A much nicer, smoother, technocratic dictatorship than our existing ruling classes for sure, but still… anyone else see that?

  • Hypnos1

    http://www.thevenusproject.com/ in case my above comment made no sense.

  • Simiantonge

    I would have to watch these movies again. Bot something does smack of “master plan” to me, you’re right Hypnos1. It does look appealing but that makes me all the more skeptical. I wonder if the Zeitgeist movement got their new culture “institutionalized” becoming the new establishment, what would happen?

    “As punishment for my contempt for authority, Fate has made me an authority myself.” – Albert Einstein.

    P.S. Also I found the first 30 seconds very distracting. Growing up as a young man during the early days of cable TV, I spent many a late night hour in front of a staticky, distorted, scrambled TV screen trying to discern the porn it was playing. Now I find as an adult that the sight of such screens makes me randy as hell. I realize intellectually that is somewhat of a Pavlovian response. But I still can’t seem to help myself. Yes this PS was just a joke so kill me.

  • Sexyyuan

    Dude, don’t get me wrong.. but you’re absolutely right. I do not admire Peter Joseph nor Jacque Fresco. It is exactly that, a technocratic scientific dictatorship that they preach. This is seriously head on part of the New World Order agenda.. Zeitgeist was a great movie.. The second movie is where the catch came.. where they pose their solution that is worse than the problem. It’s very sad to see people falling for this sh*t who have good intentions. This is exactly what we’re learning in school right now, and for a good reason.. we talk about socioeconomic equity, economic inequality, and how it contributes to bad health, a bad environment, and more. This does not go to the root of the problem. It’s easier for people to get caught up in this. I am sure this this is being pushed by Cointelpro and other NWO shills.. =(

  • Modesty0420

    i think the venus project will govern something like what this documentary describes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlqU1o3NmSw

  • Maxwellblak

    if you consider making informed decisions based on what’s best for our planet totalitarian, then yes, it is totalitarian. what we are doing now simply is not working and is not sustainable. you need to do more homework on the zeitgeist movement.

  • Maxwellblak

    if you consider making informed decisions based on what’s best for our planet totalitarian, then yes, it is totalitarian. what we are doing now simply is not working and is not sustainable. you need to do more homework on the zeitgeist movement.

  • Kphisat Haderech

    To all the people who want to do good:
    Ever sift sand through a screen?
    WE sift people through a mindscreen to get the humans out of it.

  • Kphisat Haderech

    To all the people who want to do good:
    Ever sift sand through a screen?
    WE sift people through a mindscreen to get the humans out of it.

  • Seektruthtv

    the new world order that you describe will be inevitable if the current system persists and the self appointed guardians of the status quo remain in tact. People always compare New World Order & The Venus Project based on it’s Global Approach however they are far different. The Global Order will materialize one way or another but the danger lyes in whom will run the machines and show – we the people via (TVP) or the elite via (NWO)

    TZM & TVP are NOT NWO – it is a scientific solution to the corrupted and outdated monetary system that will eventually lead us into totalitarian NWO in Orwell’s 1984.

  • poisoneater

    it’s all in how it is controlled, democracy was a good idea until it was corrupted, same with the barter system, things work for a while and then they don’t. that’s when society needs to come together and come up with a better system. no system is perfect but i believe the zeitgeist movement is the only group who has come up with a good, sustainable idea for the future. could it be corrupted? of course! if we let it. the biggest problem i see with ZM ideas is that a lot of people seem to prefer the insane/backward/unsustainable system we’re in. i’m not religious or spiritual but common sense tells me it will take nothing short of a miracle to get everyone on board of a RBE. but if we did, i’d like to think we would be more empowered to stand up for whats right instead of letting dehumanization become the norm. no one has the perfect answer and no one ever will. i know what ZM sounds like to people who claim NWO because those people don’t trust any system anymore, and i can’t blame them really. ZM can be anything you want it to be, good or bad. i might be selfish or self righteous in saying this but, if no one had to worry about the food and shelter they need, it would be a good start. i used to blame everthing on NWO conspiracies untill i realized it was pointless, that line of thinking offers no good ideas or solutions. the power they believe the NWO holds, be it conspiracy or not, is an illusion.

  • poisoneater

    it’s all in how it is controlled, democracy was a good idea until it was corrupted, same with the barter system, things work for a while and then they don’t. that’s when society needs to come together and come up with a better system. no system is perfect but i believe the zeitgeist movement is the only group who has come up with a good, sustainable idea for the future. could it be corrupted? of course! if we let it. the biggest problem i see with ZM ideas is that a lot of people seem to prefer the insane/backward/unsustainable system we’re in. i’m not religious or spiritual but common sense tells me it will take nothing short of a miracle to get everyone on board of a RBE. but if we did, i’d like to think we would be more empowered to stand up for whats right instead of letting dehumanization become the norm. no one has the perfect answer and no one ever will. i know what ZM sounds like to people who claim NWO because those people don’t trust any system anymore, and i can’t blame them really. ZM can be anything you want it to be, good or bad. i might be selfish or self righteous in saying this but, if no one had to worry about the food and shelter they need, it would be a good start. i used to blame everthing on NWO conspiracies untill i realized it was pointless, that line of thinking offers no good ideas or solutions. the power they believe the NWO holds, be it conspiracy or not, is an illusion.

  • poisoneater

    the system needs to change, if anyone has a better idea than the ZM, i would LOVE to hear it. but up until now, IMO, no one has a better idea. you can try changing little things about this system but that’s like putting a band aid on a massive head wound. we are spiraling downwards and we need to make tough decisions. we are due for an age of intellect because this age of acquisition is killing us and the planet needlessly. we have sooo much potential, if only we could work together. we need to recognize that at times, we need to individually think as a collective and reap the benefits. instead we are collectively thinking as individuals and we all suffer the consequences. sorry for my long drawn out rant. it’s just that when i hear NWO all the time, it feels like a cop out. yes you should question any type of social engineering, but please have something better to say than my gut feeling tells me….. what you had for breakfast can affect your gut feeling. emotions can betray you in a much more substantial way than the NWO. stick to the facts and work from there. don’t let your emotions control you. ok i’m done

  • poisoneater

    the system needs to change, if anyone has a better idea than the ZM, i would LOVE to hear it. but up until now, IMO, no one has a better idea. you can try changing little things about this system but that’s like putting a band aid on a massive head wound. we are spiraling downwards and we need to make tough decisions. we are due for an age of intellect because this age of acquisition is killing us and the planet needlessly. we have sooo much potential, if only we could work together. we need to recognize that at times, we need to individually think as a collective and reap the benefits. instead we are collectively thinking as individuals and we all suffer the consequences. sorry for my long drawn out rant. it’s just that when i hear NWO all the time, it feels like a cop out. yes you should question any type of social engineering, but please have something better to say than my gut feeling tells me….. what you had for breakfast can affect your gut feeling. emotions can betray you in a much more substantial way than the NWO. stick to the facts and work from there. don’t let your emotions control you. ok i’m done

    • Nudistonstrike

      poison seems to be one of the only ones making a coherent statement here. I’ll try and be the second. Zeitgeist has a great message that all people should know and understand if they would like to join us in a global restructure. However it is flawed in the sense that they have no real path for us to follow to get to the promised age of enlightenment. Peter Joseph and Jaques Fresco merely portray the present situation and possible outcomes. Hopefully this new movies sheds much needed light on the best way to collectively come together as a global society. (and please dont tell me the world is going to be ruled by the zeitgeist movement because that is ridiculous) Until the day comes where we can all band together to remove the leaders of the secret societies from their self appointed throne, all we can do as individuals is to keep protesting, keep remaking webpages that are being taken down, keep breaking the laws that you don’t agree with, keep loving your fellow human being, and keep spreading knowledge for that is the only true way to achieve peace.

      • Ryan

        Interesting. You’re only issue (flaw) with the ZM is:

        “it is flawed in the sense that they have no real path for us to follow to get to the promised age of enlightenment.”

        And yet you resolve that issue (flaw) with your last comment:

        “all we can do as individuals is to keep protesting, keep remaking webpages that are being taken down, keep breaking the laws that you don’t agree with, keep loving your fellow human being, and keep spreading knowledge for that is the only true way to achieve peace.”

        So what is your issue with TZM? I am pointing out here that we are NOT to follow any specific direction but create our own and use the support of each other to achieve it. I am sure Peter and the gang would love some intelligent suggestions with ‘how’ to move forward, but everyone just whine’s “you need to lay the path out for me…I’m hopeless”.

        As far as transition goes, people need to be informed of the direction first. Until that happens, nothing will happen.

        In regards to funding a first city, I don’t think such an avenue should be explored. As soon as money is involved, and lots of it (a venus project city would probably cost at least several hundred billion dollars given the extensive new technologies involved), then you have investors who can be swayed or bought out by the rich. I would suggest a plan involving donations of land, materials, resources, technologies, skills and time and developing a first city from that consciousness.

    • Mike

      There were lots of better social systems all over the planet. They are called aborginal peoples in most lands. Unfortunately, their better social system resulted in weaker killing machines, and as a result they are all mostly dead or dying at the hands of our current, brutal ways. Hence, there are lots of great models to live in harmony with each other and nature, without requiring articial intelligence or self-building cities. The big problem is getting the guys with all the guns to stop shooting people and do this, since currently the guys with the guns and will to use them own everything.

  • Freebasedog

    I watched a documentary about Fresco before I knew he had anything to do with this, and I thought he was kind of insane. Basically, he spouted his many ideas about “The Future” and how cities would be built, how cars would function etc, without giving any indication that in fact this was not what was going to happen in “The Future” but simply what he thought would be great. He simply felt his ideas were a predetermined reality which had not occurred yet. It reminded me of old Epcot centre exibits or 60s newsreel style bits about where the age of modernity was taking us. He never seemed to give off the impression that he understood he might be wrong, or that these might just be just ideas he offered up as a jumping off point, or anything of that nature. In fact he came off somewhat fascist, who had perhaps been playing dictator with his model cities. I cannot wait to see which of his insane and implausible ideas, in any, they propose as their magic solution in this film.

  • Freebasedog

    I watched a documentary about Fresco before I knew he had anything to do with this, and I thought he was kind of insane. Basically, he spouted his many ideas about “The Future” and how cities would be built, how cars would function etc, without giving any indication that in fact this was not what was going to happen in “The Future” but simply what he thought would be great. He simply felt his ideas were a predetermined reality which had not occurred yet. It reminded me of old Epcot centre exibits or 60s newsreel style bits about where the age of modernity was taking us. He never seemed to give off the impression that he understood he might be wrong, or that these might just be just ideas he offered up as a jumping off point, or anything of that nature. In fact he came off somewhat fascist, who had perhaps been playing dictator with his model cities. I cannot wait to see which of his insane and implausible ideas, in any, they propose as their magic solution in this film.

    • Jeff

      I think you, like most critics, are focusing on only one part of the many which are delivered in these films. Yes, there is a side to it that’s idealistic, even crazy, but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    • Orionite

      Actually, if you paid any attention to the documentary you mentioned, which is called ‘Future By Design’, he said that people might choose and favor different concepts than his own. He is just presenting the future he envisioned, In a way he sees that its the most sustainable. He never said that this is how the future is supposed to be.

  • Nudistonstrike

    poison seems to be one of the only ones making a coherent statement here. I’ll try and be the second. Zeitgeist has a great message that all people should know and understand if they would like to join us in a global restructure. However it is flawed in the sense that they have no real path for us to follow to get to the promised age of enlightenment. Peter Joseph and Jaques Fresco merely portray the present situation and possible outcomes. Hopefully this new movies sheds much needed light on the best way to collectively come together as a global society. (and please dont tell me the world is going to be ruled by the zeitgeist movement because that is ridiculous) Until the day comes where we can all band together to remove the leaders of the secret societies from their self appointed throne, all we can do as individuals is to keep protesting, keep remaking webpages that are being taken down, keep breaking the laws that you don’t agree with, keep loving your fellow human being, and keep spreading knowledge for that is the only true way to achieve peace.

  • Omnistpriest

    Actually, I find that most people project the totalitarianism onto the idea merely because of its technocratic elements. If one looks at the concept of Cyberarchical Administration, an example of the highest level of administration might be a Region Water Management Center. Since it is a systems-based approach the administration would be more distributed than centralized. Each system would be managed where it is located – there would be no hierarchy necessary. And only industrial systems would have such administration.

  • Jeff

    I think you, like most critics, are focusing on only one part of the many which are delivered in these films. Yes, there is a side to it that’s idealistic, even crazy, but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

  • Maksimum

    If there´s no monetary system then you cant own anything. This means everything belongs to everybody.
    People hardly can imagine that everything belongs to everybody. People will not anymore invest in banks, stocks or whatever they will invest in our world, earth and in our selfs! The consiousness of humans will also change in a better way.

    • Andrew

      I think this is a common misconception in economics. Money is a vehicle of trade, not ownership itself. It has no objective, concrete value. There have been societies that had barter systems in lieu of money. Money is a thing owned, not a thing necessary for ownership to exist.

  • Maksimum

    If there´s no monetary system then you cant own anything. This means everything belongs to everybody.
    People hardly can imagine that everything belongs to everybody. People will not anymore invest in banks, stocks or whatever they will invest in our world, earth and in our selfs! The consiousness of humans will also change in a better way.

  • Andrew

    I think this is a common misconception in economics. Money is a vehicle of trade, not ownership itself. It has no objective, concrete value. There have been societies that had barter systems in lieu of money. Money is a thing owned, not a thing necessary for ownership to exist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheZeitgeistMovement?ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=100001001023028 Hype BDK

    it didnt come out till today, so maybe yall should watch it first.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheZeitgeistMovement?ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=100001001023028 Hype BDK

    it didnt come out till today, so maybe yall should watch it first.

  • http://www.youtube.com/5iF3R Dannyboy

    Dont care about the Zeitgeist movement. however the Monetary system must go! it have been in place since the 1600-century … Private control over public money.. It’s despotic!

  • Anonymous

    Dont care about the Zeitgeist movement. however the Monetary system must go! it have been in place since the 1600-century … Private control over public money.. It’s despotic!

  • Dan Mac

    A lot more appealing than the NWO descending all around us. It would of course require great, wide, and vigilant over site.

  • Dan Mac

    It is important to remain open minded skeptics.

  • Dan Mac

    Fascinating. It looks and sounds great. But who, I wonder, is funding this, and what will the conclusion be?

  • Dan Mac

    Fascinating. It looks and sounds great. But who, I wonder, is funding this, and what will the conclusion be?

  • Stimpyfish

    you’re an idiot. By your definition, John Lennon and Martin Luther King were part of the New World Order agenda. We are reaching a point where technology is taking over human labor anyways, and the whole system is in a spasm, attempting to fight it, rather than letting it free us. Yes, the NWO people want to have the whole world under their control without borders, without soverinty, but the Zeitgeist people want a world without borders – WITHOUT A LEADING GOVERNMENT OR POLITICIANS telling people what they can and cant do. Zeitgeist is not NWO – it does not want a body of people in power at the top. That is a fundamental flaw in your entire point here, and in a lot of people who latch on to iconic systems that went wrong. Communism was wrong, socialism was wrong, but all so far have been based on money and stratification. The Zeitgeist movement is it’s own thing entirely. Do your homework and dont latch on to easy-outs. Yes the NWO is wrong – this is something different. Trust me.

  • Stimpyfish

    actually.. dont just trust me… dont take anything on “faith”… do your homework and learn about the differences between the systems and between this and the NWO before you comment like that.

  • Dannymega

    It is happening and it is beautiful. You may not realise it as you read this but the good in the world, long suppressed, is bouncing back. If you believe in karma or understand the most basic duality that underpins all societies you will know that the power of good is blossoming around us. For too long TV, the media has been distracting us with “entertainment” from a basic human truth. The truth that we all know in our hearts that we are good people and have love to give. We aren’t selfish and greedy and like seeing others suffer. We know others are like us, they want the same as us, we all want to live and maximize our creative potential without fear. Sit back and take a long deep breath, let it out and know nothing is going to stop you helping and giving love and understanding to those that need to be brought out of the dark selfish greedy world they have been led to believe is the right way to live. It is happening people, all around us, an awakening of human conscience on a level never experienced before. Nothing can stop it! The most powerful world changing construct known to man isn’t a weapon or something money can buy, it is an idea – and the idea, unfettered by dogma, free of fear is here. Zeitgeist Moving Forward.

  • Dannymega

    It is happening and it is beautiful. You may not realise it as you read this but the good in the world, long suppressed, is bouncing back. If you believe in karma or understand the most basic duality that underpins all societies you will know that the power of good is blossoming around us. For too long TV, the media has been distracting us with “entertainment” from a basic human truth. The truth that we all know in our hearts that we are good people and have love to give. We aren’t selfish and greedy and like seeing others suffer. We know others are like us, they want the same as us, we all want to live and maximize our creative potential without fear. Sit back and take a long deep breath, let it out and know nothing is going to stop you helping and giving love and understanding to those that need to be brought out of the dark selfish greedy world they have been led to believe is the right way to live. It is happening people, all around us, an awakening of human conscience on a level never experienced before. Nothing can stop it! The most powerful world changing construct known to man isn’t a weapon or something money can buy, it is an idea – and the idea, unfettered by dogma, free of fear is here. Zeitgeist Moving Forward.

    • Free Frankie

      Dannymega, I agree, my only question is who runs this?
      We already have elitists in Government, even if we do shut down the monetary system, who will then institute and “run” all of this until it is in place and who will build it?
      Too many places for so called intelectuals to impose their “correct” thinking while us peasants build our prison.

  • ConspiracyScience

    New Age Marxist nonsense with a Star Trek twist.

  • ConspiracyScience

    New Age Marxist nonsense with a Star Trek twist.

    • AskingQuestions

      Great coment ConspiracySciencie,

      You look like as a well informed dude and your argument “nonsense” portraits you.

      GL with your life.

    • Kml

      Wish it was fiction..

    • Marvel

      Interesting. I would like to talk with you to see why do you belive that new age and marxist ideologies are a problem, and why do you belive that TVP has anything to do with that. And I would like to hear what are the solutions form your poit of view of our worlds problems. Its easy to judge, its harder to understand and to rsolve a problem.

    • Curt

      Marxist nonsense, star trek? All the technologys in this video currently exist. And the current monetary based economy if far from effecient or empowering to mankind. A resource based economy would truly set people free. The world we live in today is nothing but slavery with a few elite people that contribute nothing to society. You don’t even realize you’re a slave to the system. This is not marxist you would be completly free with everything you need to suvive given to you free of charge no need to earn $ to survive. You could focus on whats important to you! You could do things you’ve never had time to do!

      • tk

        Haha you could do things you never had time to do? But who would make the food for you and your family to survive? And what would you give them in return?

    • Ryan

      You’re an idiot!! Define your issues with the direction or STFU.

      • http://twitter.com/davelikehell Name? Why?

        He can’t. His mission is to lay turds on as many things as he can. He’s got a whole website devoted to it. Don’t hate him. Pity him. How grey must his life be? How empty of joy and love must a man be to dedicate long hours of the only life he will ever live trying to denounce peace?

    • Neo_matrix_011

      because what we currently have is soooo fantastic.

  • Stilla

    the way i see it, the venus project is global centralization of RESOURCES for people, where as the whole NWO crap is about global centralization of PEOPLE for resources. There is no catch when it comes to the question: ‘what’s the smartest most efficient move for this planet?’.

  • Stilla

    the way i see it, the venus project is global centralization of RESOURCES for people, where as the whole NWO crap is about global centralization of PEOPLE for resources. There is no catch when it comes to the question: ‘what’s the smartest most efficient move for this planet?’.

  • AskingQuestions

    Great coment ConspiracySciencie,

    You look like as a well informed dude and your argument “nonsense” portraits you.

    GL with your life.

  • Toph

    Money is an illusion and so is this entire system. It is a prison for the mind of people. You don’t own anything and you will never begin to own anything, everything belongs to the world and so do you. In fact there isn’t even “you”, “you” are “me” which is nature and all and everything, always has been and always will be. If you hurt me you will hurt yourself. In fact you have hurt yourself so much by claiming things on your own and wasting everything that it is far beyond common sense, its sickening.If we don’t stop now with this bullshit we really will see the destruction of our planet in our lifetime.

  • Toph

    Money is an illusion and so is this entire system. It is a prison for the mind of people. You don’t own anything and you will never begin to own anything, everything belongs to the world and so do you. In fact there isn’t even “you”, “you” are “me” which is nature and all and everything, always has been and always will be. If you hurt me you will hurt yourself. In fact you have hurt yourself so much by claiming things on your own and wasting everything that it is far beyond common sense, its sickening.If we don’t stop now with this bullshit we really will see the destruction of our planet in our lifetime.

  • Kml

    Wish it was fiction..

  • Orionite

    Actually, if you paid any attention to the documentary you mentioned, which is called ‘Future By Design’, he said that people might choose and favor different concepts than his own. He is just presenting the future he envisioned, In a way he sees that its the most sustainable. He never said that this is how the future is supposed to be.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SEJOGLIVYPKU7UBVM6NQD7CWJM James Kush

    this crap movie has been leaked

    http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/j1paJ21T9kY/

  • Peter Joseph

    This crap movie has been leaked:

    http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/j1paJ21T9kY/

  • Marvel

    Well you can say whatever you want. People should analise both sides of a storry before they make up their minds. So I trully belive that TVP ideas make sense interily. And remember: it would be a classless society. When did you saw something like that ever on the planet?

  • Marvel

    Interesting. I would like to talk with you to see why do you belive that new age and marxist ideologies are a problem, and why do you belive that TVP has anything to do with that. And I would like to hear what are the solutions form your poit of view of our worlds problems. Its easy to judge, its harder to understand and to rsolve a problem.

  • Curt

    Marxist nonsense, star trek? All the technologys in this video currently exist. And the current monetary based economy if far from effecient or empowering to mankind. A resource based economy would truly set people free. The world we live in today is nothing but slavery with a few elite people that contribute nothing to society. You don’t even realize you’re a slave to the system. This is not marxist you would be completly free with everything you need to suvive given to you free of charge no need to earn $ to survive. You could focus on whats important to you! You could do things you’ve never had time to do!

  • TZM Activist

    You can watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward here: http://en.disturblog.com/zeitgeist-3-moving-forward.html

  • TZM Activist

    You can watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward here: http://en.disturblog.com/zeitgeist-3-moving-forward.html

  • Carolinagsings77

    yes

  • Carolinagsings77

    I agree… I almost dived into the mentality after beLIEving what they said about religion… then I looked deeper into the trUe teachings of religion… and found major fallacies in ZM’s claims…. then I realized EXACTLY who they really are…

    You got it… they are the ones were trying to get away from…. no need to fear though….

    Just make sure you KNOW your position………..

  • Orwella

    With this planet’s limited resources, there has to be restraint. If this is what you call totalitarian, so be it. I want to live in this totalitarian society.

  • Ryan

    You’re an idiot!! Define your issues with the direction or STFU.

  • Ryan

    Interesting. You’re only issue (flaw) with the ZM is:

    “it is flawed in the sense that they have no real path for us to follow to get to the promised age of enlightenment.”

    And yet you resolve that issue (flaw) with your last comment:

    “all we can do as individuals is to keep protesting, keep remaking webpages that are being taken down, keep breaking the laws that you don’t agree with, keep loving your fellow human being, and keep spreading knowledge for that is the only true way to achieve peace.”

    So what is your issue with TZM? I am pointing out here that we are NOT to follow any specific direction but create our own and use the support of each other to achieve it. I am sure Peter and the gang would love some intelligent suggestions with ‘how’ to move forward, but everyone just whine’s “you need to lay the path out for me…I’m hopeless”.

    As far as transition goes, people need to be informed of the direction first. Until that happens, nothing will happen.

    In regards to funding a first city, I don’t think such an avenue should be explored. As soon as money is involved, and lots of it (a venus project city would probably cost at least several hundred billion dollars given the extensive new technologies involved), then you have investors who can be swayed or bought out by the rich. I would suggest a plan involving donations of land, materials, resources, technologies, skills and time and developing a first city from that consciousness.

  • Ryan

    Interesting. You’re only issue (flaw) with the ZM is:

    “it is flawed in the sense that they have no real path for us to follow to get to the promised age of enlightenment.”

    And yet you resolve that issue (flaw) with your last comment:

    “all we can do as individuals is to keep protesting, keep remaking webpages that are being taken down, keep breaking the laws that you don’t agree with, keep loving your fellow human being, and keep spreading knowledge for that is the only true way to achieve peace.”

    So what is your issue with TZM? I am pointing out here that we are NOT to follow any specific direction but create our own and use the support of each other to achieve it. I am sure Peter and the gang would love some intelligent suggestions with ‘how’ to move forward, but everyone just whine’s “you need to lay the path out for me…I’m hopeless”.

    As far as transition goes, people need to be informed of the direction first. Until that happens, nothing will happen.

    In regards to funding a first city, I don’t think such an avenue should be explored. As soon as money is involved, and lots of it (a venus project city would probably cost at least several hundred billion dollars given the extensive new technologies involved), then you have investors who can be swayed or bought out by the rich. I would suggest a plan involving donations of land, materials, resources, technologies, skills and time and developing a first city from that consciousness.

  • Dayidahosucks

    Even if there were parts wrong in the religion section of the dvd , there was still enough truth to make you atleast ponder the fact that you might have been fooled into false gods( most of you probaly don’t even particpate actively in you religion. a bunch of fakers lol). Even if the goals are not perfect in the venus project, it still is a better solution then what the world powers are coming up with. Some many people look to discredit the movement that they miss the real point of the movement. THE MOVEMENT WILL IMPROVE MORE PROBLEMS THEN THE CURRENT SYSTEM. there will be problems, of course, but we can eat,have shelter, and true free health care. These values alone make it worth trying.

  • http://twitter.com/davelikehell Name? Why?

    He can’t. His mission is to lay turds on as many things as he can. He’s got a whole website devoted to it. Don’t hate him. Pity him. How grey must his life be? How empty of joy and love must a man be to dedicate long hours of the only life he will ever live trying to denounce peace?

  • Allegro9

    What is fascinating to me is how paranoid people are that they think everything is NWO. They never even think about the reality we live in today. If anything is NWO it is what we have now. However there is no NWO, it’s only what the system has produces. We can go on arguing about The Venus Project and Zeitgeist movement, but never hear anyone coming up with a better alternative. They just throw out words or phrases, like NWO, Marxist, Communism, Socialism… etc. So all the while we argue more and more people, animals and the planet as a whole suffers. I wonder if the people who put the Venus Project down even think about all the children dying everyday of starvation and malnutrition or all the waste we are spilling onto our planet. It’s laughable that many of us give money to charities , not even questioning why we even need charities in the first place. Our systems are flawed and we need to do something about it. The Venus Project gives us an idea of what we CAN do. It’s a hell of a lot better than what we have today.

  • Allegro9

    What is fascinating to me is how paranoid people are that they think everything is NWO. They never even think about the reality we live in today. If anything is NWO it is what we have now. However there is no NWO, it’s only what the system has produces. We can go on arguing about The Venus Project and Zeitgeist movement, but never hear anyone coming up with a better alternative. They just throw out words or phrases, like NWO, Marxist, Communism, Socialism… etc. So all the while we argue more and more people, animals and the planet as a whole suffers. I wonder if the people who put the Venus Project down even think about all the children dying everyday of starvation and malnutrition or all the waste we are spilling onto our planet. It’s laughable that many of us give money to charities , not even questioning why we even need charities in the first place. Our systems are flawed and we need to do something about it. The Venus Project gives us an idea of what we CAN do. It’s a hell of a lot better than what we have today.

  • tk

    Haha you could do things you never had time to do? But who would make the food for you and your family to survive? And what would you give them in return?

  • Neo_matrix_011

    because what we currently have is soooo fantastic.

  • Mike

    There were lots of better social systems all over the planet. They are called aborginal peoples in most lands. Unfortunately, their better social system resulted in weaker killing machines, and as a result they are all mostly dead or dying at the hands of our current, brutal ways. Hence, there are lots of great models to live in harmony with each other and nature, without requiring articial intelligence or self-building cities. The big problem is getting the guys with all the guns to stop shooting people and do this, since currently the guys with the guns and will to use them own everything.

  • Mike

    First of all, let me state that I am an enthusiastic supporter of the Zeitgeist movement’s portrayal of the problems in the status-quo, and like Fresco, I feel that “This shit’s gotta go”… however, I strongly disagree with the premises of the Venus project.

    Who will write the software that automatically and “fairly” allocates resources to everyone? Unless everyone the world over is an absolute master software engineer, who could even check into the system to see if it’s fair? Without any leadership of any kind, who would go about making changes to the software to correct a flaw in its fairness algorithms? Without any laws or government, etc, what vehicles would even exist to begin to look at the system’s fairness?

    Let me also state that I am a master software architect on the leading edge of computer software and I can definitely say that the current state of software is a very, very, very, very long way from being “AI”. We can barely make system that work, period, let alone program intelligence. We don’t even understand the nature of human intelligence, so how can we build a software system to emulate this? Even if AI were in theory possible, ALL intelligent things will make decisions based on facts that it knows. How will a computer get its facts in an unbiased way? Is evolution merely a theory or fact? Are people causing global warming, or is it the increase in solar activity currently occurring? Will the software be left to come up with experiments to determine which is the case?

    Will all the uranium on the planet be harvested all at once and doled out to every citizen equally? Or will there need to be smarts in the AI software that by necessity allocates things unequally, which determines that citizens do not need uranium and sends all of the uranium to some research project or another? Who will determine what constitutes a valid research project? The software? Who will audit the software and report on its fairness? How will “the people” get to decide if the software is fair, if there is no democracy or nor leaders of anything anywhere?

    “No one is subservient to anyone else”… does this mean that a 9 year old child will have as much say in determining what constitutes a valid research project as 60 year old scientist? Who will draw up these “guidelines”? The software? lol.

    What if I “need” a particle accelerator, so that I can uncover the mystery of gravity and eventually build a really fast spacecraft to take us elsewhere? Will everyone get equal access to a particle accelerator, regardless of their scientific experience and knowledge? What if the accelerator doesn’t exist? How would a decision be made as to whether the project is worth spending the resources? The software? How will the software come pre-programmed to make all of these decisions about situations and technologies that don’t yet exist? Not all projects will succeed. How will the software calculate its decision when the chances of success are unknown and the possible benefits of a technical discovery also unpredictable and emergent? What if you are basically an Albert Einstein with a new idea so seemingly off the wall and out of the box that no-one but you can even understand the implications of your work? How will an AI system determine whether or not you should be allocated resources you are asking for?

    What if I am absolutely certain that I know how to build a spacecraft that will overcome current limitations? Will I just automatically get all the gold, copper, zinc, diamonds, fossil fuels, nuclear reactors, etc that I need to complete my project? Or, will I automatically be denied because the task requires more than 1/7,000,000,000th of the worlds “sustainable” gold harvest this year? Will everyone get an equal share of rare resources that couldn’t possible be given to everyone all at once because of their true scarcity (hint: not ALL scarcity is caused by market economics… oil takes millions of years to make, and gold comes from distant exploding stars). How will a software system be built by programmers to make these decisions, when humans themselves cannot agree on such issues. Should we harvest all the diamonds now and put them to use with the aim of reusing them, or should we only harvest 1 one-millionth of the known reserves, so that the harvest is forever sustainable? How will software make a decision like that?

    How will the software determine who gets to live on the hill overlooking the most beautiful vistas? Or will all land be flatted and made bland and featureless so that a modern Fresco-ville can be built there? Who will get the window apartment with the best view in the Fresco cities?

    Will computer technology change the natural world so that all soils contain the exact same elements (I think NOT)? Since the quality and flavor of food and drink is directly connected to the quality of the soil, how will the software determine who gets to drink the finer wines and eat the most nutritious foods?

    The implication that ALL medical care and operations would be performed by computer controlled robots is nonsense. What if there is an unforeseen complication? Will the software come pre-programmed with the knowledge of all possible forms of life that could ever exist? Viruses and even humans themselves are prone to genetic mutations and evolution, implying that medical knowledge is inherently an emergent system. Sorry folks, but such emergence will only be possible via continued dedication of really smart human beings who have devoted their entire lives to medical science. Hence, many medical problems will require human ingenuity to diagnose and solve. Will all doctors be equally smart because Fresco says they will be? Nope. Hence, some people will get the best doctor, and others will not. How will the software determine who gets access to the smartest doctor?

    There is an undertone in all of this “resource based totalitarianism” that says I cannot choose what is important to me. If I am willing to work a little harder to obtain something (say for arguments sake, an aged wine), that is clearly a pleasure and not a necessity, how can I do this is the new Fresco-world? No work, no money… so basically everyone who wants 100 year old wine will automatically get as much as they want? That’s nonsense, because it takes 100 years to make it and vineyards and storage are finite. Hence, the only alternative is to say all wines will be aged 1 year, end of story: no variance, no choice, no preference, no possibility to “work a little harder” to get some extra pleasure. To those who’d rather forgo their allotment of the years wine harvest altogether (perhaps because the do not believe in wine)… what value would they receive for their sacrifice? No, the answer to all of this (of course only discovered after the system is in place) will be to reduce everyone to their needs, with no wants at all. Hence, based on the scientific method, all you need to sustain yourselves is a few square feet of space, some water and a repetitive diet of some scientifically engineered processed food. Sound fun?

  • Free Frankie

    Dannymega, I agree, my only question is who runs this?
    We already have elitists in Government, even if we do shut down the monetary system, who will then institute and “run” all of this until it is in place and who will build it?
    Too many places for so called intelectuals to impose their “correct” thinking while us peasants build our prison.

  • Born2askY

    Question EVERYTHING…even ZEITGEIST and the Venus Project.  IF this is illuminati propaganda then it is their most clever, ingenious heist ever. They will have converted freedom lovers to their NWO plan and WE will be the ones who bring it into existence.We will build our own prison! They/illuminati already know the current system is on the verge of collapse. Why not start a movement that looks like a utopian freedom movement that will replace the current system with the SAME invisible hand in control. Anything that is truly a threat to the illuminati is slaughtered immediately. Why hasn’t Zeitgeist and it’s makers been taken out. Is it possible that the illuminati are using Zeitgeist as foreplay to get us ready for the f****g of our lives????

  • Born2askY

    Question EVERYTHING…even ZEITGEIST and the Venus Project.  IF this is illuminati propaganda then it is their most clever, ingenious heist ever. They will have converted freedom lovers to their NWO plan and WE will be the ones who bring it into existence.We will build our own prison! They/illuminati already know the current system is on the verge of collapse. Why not start a movement that looks like a utopian freedom movement that will replace the current system with the SAME invisible hand in control. Anything that is truly a threat to the illuminati is slaughtered immediately. Why hasn’t Zeitgeist and it’s makers been taken out. Is it possible that the illuminati are using Zeitgeist as foreplay to get us ready for the f****g of our lives????

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