Astronomers Find First Evidence Of Other Universes

Eternal InflationAmazing to think the universe has “cosmic bruises.” Via Technology Review’s Physics arXiv blog:

There’s something exciting afoot in the world of cosmology. Last month, Roger Penrose at the University of Oxford and Vahe Gurzadyan at Yerevan State University in Armenia announced that they had found patterns of concentric circles in the cosmic microwave background, the echo of the Big Bang.

This, they say, is exactly what you’d expect if the universe were eternally cyclical. By that, they mean that each cycle ends with a big bang that starts the next cycle. In this model, the universe is a kind of cosmic Russian Doll, with all previous universes contained within the current one.

That’s an extraordinary discovery: evidence of something that occurred before the (conventional) Big Bang.

Today, another group says they’ve found something else in the echo of the Big Bang. These guys start with a different model of the universe called eternal inflation. In this way of thinking, the universe we see is merely a bubble in a much larger cosmos. This cosmos is filled with other bubbles, all of which are other universes where the laws of physics may be dramatically different to ours.

These bubbles probably had a violent past, jostling together and leaving “cosmic bruises” where they touched. If so, these bruises ought to be visible today in the cosmic microwave background.

Read More at Technology Review’s Physics arXiv blog

52 Comments on "Astronomers Find First Evidence Of Other Universes"

  1. Theories of an oscillatory universe like this one have always been especially interesting to me. If there is an endless cycle of big bangs, then every combination of possible universe should occur, over and over again. That would be kind of like an afterlife–eventually, another universe will create itself where you once again exist, albeit without any memory of your previous existence.

    Whether or not that’s a good thing is a question of how good your life has been. *g*

  2. Theories of an oscillatory universe like this one have always been especially interesting to me. If there is an endless cycle of big bangs, then every combination of possible universe should occur, over and over again. That would be kind of like an afterlife–eventually, another universe will create itself where you once again exist, albeit without any memory of your previous existence.

    Whether or not that’s a good thing is a question of how good your life has been. *g*

    • Ooo, someone bright, glad to see people posting who can conceptually visualize and understand such implications. Realistically we have a race from now, to either the universal collapse, or energy depletion of an evaporating local universe; to survive.
      Very scary stuff, no more so then dying before an intelligent sentient race’s cusp of immortality is reached, but never the less, scary (We’re almost there, so if you’re 30 or young, and understand the above, you’ll most likely be taken care of in the next half century->infinity).

    • Well i’ve always seen our piddley human minds to have such a tiny timescale in the grand scheme of things that we have take these new findings into a cultural form of understanding rather than just individuals. Have fun convincing the world of these things

  3. Anonymous | Dec 18, 2010 at 2:23 am |

    If the evidence for multiple universes continues to mount, it’ll be very interesting to see how the Abrahamic religions respond. What are the implications for their doctrines?

  4. razzlebathbone | Dec 17, 2010 at 10:23 pm |

    If the evidence for multiple universes continues to mount, it’ll be very interesting to see how the Abrahamic religions respond. What are the implications for their doctrines?

    • It depends on the person, I would think. I’m a Christian, but have no problem believing in most scientific theories (the big bang being the obvious one), I just believe that it was all part of a plan by God. Are there some out there that will look at mounting evidence and dismiss it because it’s not in the Bible? Sure. But I have faith that there are enough Christians, Islams, and Jews who can use reason AND faith together.

      • i suppose there is a first time for everything

      • Earbudcontender | Dec 18, 2010 at 10:28 am |

        Its because religion is a guideline for how to live life a certain time tested way. And not a way to explain how everything came to be. Get it right and start being truly religious. Jesus is metaphor for the self, if he existed or not is not important. Its all symbolic.

        • Of course it’s symbolic. Cause it’s BS. For some reason, people can’t be happy with some philosophy that leads to a good life. They need some symbolic god to tell them how. Even then, the christian god does a terrible job of telling people how to live their life in a time tested way (he threw out the OT god that was all about that).

          • God doesn´t say anything, humans do. That´s the flaw in your argument.

          • earbudcontender | Dec 19, 2010 at 8:30 pm |

            when he said symbolic god he meant it was something created by a human. The true god concept is unexplainable and something the invidual experiences in an unique way when he/she is ready. Its not something that can be thought nor followed. Most of the people that read here think for themselves, keep up the good work. Religion exploits the desire to experience and explain the divine for control and profit. I suspect it is a mechanism the super organism of humanity uses to keep certain types of humans living a certain way and alive for a certain time in case of natural disasters. It is the core of humanity a certain group that follows a simple life with the illusion of having everything already explained but in reality those explanations are just set limits. The outsiders are the ones that try alternatives and when something does not work we are penalized for doing so, but in reality failure is always an option and the outsides are just performing experiments before their behavior is introduced to the core. NOTHING IS TRUE, EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED. There are two kinds of people in this world, those who worry and those who don’t.

          • earbudcontender | Dec 19, 2010 at 8:32 pm |

            Some Masters would say religious people are sleeping on auto pilot and their true personality is not here but living in an internal world.

  5. It depends on the person, I would think. I’m a Christian, but have no problem believing in most scientific theories (the big bang being the obvious one), I just believe that it was all part of a plan by God. Are there some out there that will look at mounting evidence and dismiss it because it’s not in the Bible? Sure. But I have faith that there are enough Christians, Islams, and Jews who can use reason AND faith together.

  6. Whether they’re right or wrong…they at least added something new and provocative to the debate. I wish space exploration were a higher priority for this world…and specifically for the US…but at least science is marching on even with the comparatively small resources we employ for space research.

  7. Whether they’re right or wrong…they at least added something new and provocative to the debate. I wish space exploration were a higher priority for this world…and specifically for the US…but at least science is marching on even with the comparatively small resources we employ for space research.

    • You’re on the right track, the actual absolute weight on any intelligent race is to understand, understand, understand. Space exploration is fine and dandy, but our primary goal should be the understanding of everything (Think physics, but for literally, the entirety of entirety).

  8. Johnframptong | Dec 18, 2010 at 6:21 am |

    This makes my mind hurt.

  9. Johnframptong | Dec 18, 2010 at 2:21 am |

    This makes my mind hurt.

  10. microorganism | Dec 18, 2010 at 7:34 am |

    it’s turtles all the way down

  11. microorganism | Dec 18, 2010 at 3:34 am |

    it’s turtles all the way down

  12. i suppose there is a first time for everything

  13. Earbudcontender | Dec 18, 2010 at 2:28 pm |

    Its because religion is a guideline for how to live life a certain time tested way. And not a way to explain how everything came to be. Get it right and start being truly religious. Jesus is metaphor for the self, if he existed or not is not important. Its all symbolic.

  14. Why you still calling it a universes, dont you see the ultimate flaw in the word used?

  15. Why you still calling it a universes, dont you see the ultimate flaw in the word used?

  16. Each line is called a verse, which is part of the multiverse, which in turn is formed within the universe.
    That as in ONE set of MANY versers.

  17. Each line is called a verse, which is part of the multiverse, which in turn is formed within the universe.
    That as in ONE set of MANY versers.

  18. I see the flaw in a singular article before a plural noun.

  19. Of course it’s symbolic. Cause it’s BS. For some reason, people can’t be happy with some philosophy that leads to a good life. They need some symbolic god to tell them how. Even then, the christian god does a terrible job of telling people how to live their life in a time tested way (he threw out the OT god that was all about that).

  20. Two questions that have yet to be answered by the conventional and dogmatic Big Bang theory: What was there before the Bang and what does the universe expand into? And no: I’m not willing to accept God as an answer. Too conventional and dogmatic. 🙂

  21. Two questions that have yet to be answered by the conventional and dogmatic Big Bang theory: What was there before the Bang and what does the universe expand into? And no: I’m not willing to accept God as an answer. Too conventional and dogmatic. 🙂

    • the conventional way of looking at these questions… there was nothing before the big bang, by it’s very definition the universe encompasses everything, including time and space, therefore talking of “before the big bang” and “what does it expand into” have no meaning whatsoever, the big bang is still happening, expanding universe is a feature of this, it creates space as it expands, and imho does a similar thing with time, which is why we have problems tracing events back in time, as this too is not a fixed thing.

      • No. The big bang doesn’t even explain the early existence of the big bang, let alone what occurred before it. Enter inflation, the current forerunner for our universal birth for the standard model.
        Also, be careful about using the “term” dogma in relation to anything but religion. Science makes no claims on factual accuracy, simply observation and hypothesis. Which actually, if you carry over to your normal conception of life, you might find an incredible boost in cognition.

  22. God doesn´t say anything, humans do. That´s the flaw in your argument.

  23. the conventional way of looking at these questions… there was nothing before the big bang, by it’s very definition the universe encompasses everything, including time and space, therefore talking of “before the big bang” and “what does it expand into” have no meaning whatsoever, the big bang is still happening, expanding universe is a feature of this, it creates space as it expands, and imho does a similar thing with time, which is why we have problems tracing events back in time, as this too is not a fixed thing.

  24. If only Carl Sagan were here to see this happening.

  25. If only Carl Sagan were here to see this happening.

  26. earbudcontender | Dec 20, 2010 at 12:30 am |

    when he said symbolic god he meant it was something created by a human. The true god concept is unexplainable and something the invidual experiences in an unique way when he/she is ready. Its not something that can be thought nor followed. Most of the people that read here think for themselves, keep up the good work. Religion exploits the desire to experience and explain the divine for control and profit. I suspect it is a mechanism the super organism of humanity uses to keep certain types of humans living a certain way and alive for a certain time in case of natural disasters. It is the core of humanity a certain group that follows a simple life with the illusion of having everything already explained but in reality those explanations are just set limits. The outsiders are the ones that try alternatives and when something does not work we are penalized for doing so, but in reality failure is always an option and the outsides are just performing experiments before their behavior is introduced to the core. NOTHING IS TRUE, EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED. There are two kinds of people in this world, those who worry and those who don’t.

  27. earbudcontender | Dec 20, 2010 at 12:32 am |

    Some Masters would say religious people are sleeping on auto pilot and their true personality is not here but living in an internal world.

  28. Ooo, someone bright, glad to see people posting who can conceptually visualize and understand such implications. Realistically we have a race from now, to either the universal collapse, or energy depletion of an evaporating local universe; to survive.
    Very scary stuff, no more so then dying before an intelligent sentient race’s cusp of immortality is reached, but never the less, scary (We’re almost there, so if you’re 30 or young, and understand the above, you’ll most likely be taken care of in the next half century->infinity).

  29. You’re on the right track, the actual absolute weight on any intelligent race is to understand, understand, understand. Space exploration is fine and dandy, but our primary goal should be the understanding of everything (Think physics, but for literally, the entirety of entirety).

  30. No. The big bang doesn’t even explain the early existence of the big bang, let alone what occurred before it. Enter inflation, the current forerunner for our universal birth for the standard model.
    Also, be careful about using the “term” dogma in relation to anything but religion. Science makes no claims on factual accuracy, simply observation and hypothesis. Which actually, if you carry over to your normal conception of life, you might find an incredible boost in cognition.

  31. Well i’ve always seen our piddley human minds to have such a tiny timescale in the grand scheme of things that we have take these new findings into a cultural form of understanding rather than just individuals. Have fun convincing the world of these things

  32. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoanXbOCjuM

    Itzak Bentov envisioned a fascinating model.
    This video just sketches the overview of a
    toroidal universe pumped by a black hole whitehole pair.
    The universe will appear to be expanding (or contracting)
    with a varying degree of curvature depending on where an observer is located.

  33. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoanXbOCjuM

    Itzak Bentov envisioned a fascinating model.
    This video just sketches the overview of a
    toroidal universe pumped by a black hole whitehole pair.
    The universe will appear to be expanding (or contracting)
    with a varying degree of curvature depending on where an observer is located.

  34. Rumplestiltskin | Dec 28, 2010 at 11:29 pm |

    Recent research into the fields of metaphysics, physics, psychology, psychiatry, and all other sciences seems to indicate that the collective perception of humanity creates desired realities through merely researching them. I am not high. : )

  35. Rumplestiltskin | Dec 28, 2010 at 7:29 pm |

    Recent research into the fields of metaphysics, physics, psychology, psychiatry, and all other sciences seems to indicate that the collective perception of humanity creates desired realities through merely researching them. I am not high. : )

  36. Radioreview | Dec 30, 2010 at 12:14 am |

    The universe is commonly defined as the totality of everything that exists, so stating that they’ve found another Universe seems a bit wrong. Not that I have the brains of Roger Penrose, but wouldn’t it be fair to say that they’ve found evidence that our Universe existed in another form before the big bang?

  37. Radioreview | Dec 29, 2010 at 8:14 pm |

    The universe is commonly defined as the totality of everything that exists, so stating that they’ve found another Universe seems a bit wrong. Not that I have the brains of Roger Penrose, but wouldn’t it be fair to say that they’ve found evidence that our Universe existed in another form before the big bang?

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