Ted Turner Urges Global One-Child Policy

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Via The Globe And Mail:

Climate change and population control can make for a politically explosive mix, as media mogul Ted Turner demonstrated Sunday when he urged world leaders to institute a global one-child policy to save the Earth’s environment.

Mr. Turner spoke at a luncheon where economist Brian O’Neill from the U.S.’s National Center for Atmospheric Research unveiled his study on the impact of demographic trends on future greenhouse gas emission, a little-discussed subject given its political sensitivity.

Mr. O’Neill’s study concluded that a rapidly rising global population is contributing to an acceleration of emission growth, and that widespread availability of family planning could reduce the amount of emissions reductions required in 2050 by as much as 30 per cent.

Mr. O’Neill acknowledged that discussion of climate change and population is a political minefield. The Roman Catholic Church has condemned any such connection, while developing countries resist rich-world prescriptions that they should limit their populations.

[Continues at The Globe And Mail]

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  • Hadrian999

    bad idea on so many levels

  • Hadrian999

    bad idea on so many levels

  • Califboy

    Let Mexico and south America know first, they are reproducing faster then a xerox machine especially here in the USA.

    • Haystack

      And yet America’s smaller families still manage to consume far more resources than those in the third world.

      • StopBreathingSaveEarth

        pssstt Man made global warming is a lie!

        • Haystack

          And cigarettes are good for you.

      • http://chipandre.com Chip

        That’s because we have a much higher standard of living. The total resources available on earth are finite. You can spread them thin among billions of people, or you can give a much larger share to each member of a smaller population. Turner is just pointing out (correctly) that maybe we should start focusing on QUALITY of human life, instead of just quantity.

    • that1guy

      For the people that liked this, you have been lied to by racists and xenophobes, at least on the mexico count. Mexico has one of the lower birthrates compared to other countries with similar per capita gdp, shit, compared to america. In fact, according to the world bank as of 2008, the total fertility rate in Mexico is the same as the total fertility rate in the US: 2.1.
      This relatively low lifetime average of births per female has to due in large part with historical limitations of clergy’s right to public and political discourse, which meant that in years past clergy could not get in the way of education efforts surrounding contraception.
      If you don’t look into the facts surrounding your opinions, you are the problem.

  • Anonymous

    Let Mexico and south America know first, they are reproducing faster then a xerox machine especially here in the USA.

  • MACK

    This asshole has 5 children. Maybe he should take his own advice. “Do as I say, not as I do” is becoming the norm among politicians, public figures, celebrities, and the rich. Leave us the hell alone.

    • Hamsanath437

      maybe he hadn’t come to the conclusion until after having kids

      • rtb61

        Then it is too late to give an opinion, unless he gets; 10 of his grandchildren sterilised to make up for his fecundity, until then his opinion on this matter is shite, tough (5 children and 11 grand children). The better alternate is free drugs with added birth control and reproductive licences for those that pass empathy and intelligence tests, likely that would exclude him (empathy fail).
        If he is really worried about the world his grand children will inherit, he had better look at others like him and the terrible impact their greed and ego has on the economy and the environment.

    • Effewe

      I guess he should kill his grown ass children to prove a point that became clear years after they were adults. Part of being an intelligent person is knowing when to change course.
      …. Of course people like you who use red-herrings to guide a conversation wouldn’t fucking get that.

      • Argosy Jones

        No. If he thinks the world is overpopulated, as you do, lead by example, and kill yourself. You can write a manifesto first, to convince the rest of us.

        • rtb61

          I would of course disagree with a suicide policy even if you were to upgrade it to, a ‘take one with you’ policy, you know a rich anti-social conservative, the richer the better, make the world a better and less populated place. You know as conservatives say, there is nothing that get the economy going better than moving money around and there’s nothing like inheritance for moving lots of money around really fast.

  • MACK

    This asshole has 5 children. Maybe he should take his own advice. “Do as I say, not as I do” is becoming the norm among politicians, public figures, celebrities, and the rich. Leave us the hell alone.

  • Haystack

    And yet America’s smaller families still manage to consume far more resources than those in the third world.

  • Haystack

    This is the policy that led the Chinese to drastically reduce their female population through selective abortion.

    • Effewe

      No the Chinese culture sexism and lack of respect for humanity led to selective abortion. Blame the culture not the well intentioned law. The law said one child, not one boy and a dozen aborted girls turned into soup.

      Yes, they actually made girls into soup.

      • Argosy Jones

        I’m sure that all the aborted babies in the US feel a bit better about their situation knowing that sexism played no part in their de-selection.

      • Hadrian999

        human nature insures that a one child policy will never work.
        agrarian societies require lots of children, without some draconian measures to enforce,(yeah the UN enforcing anything is funny I know) it would be ignored by most of the 3rd world. if it were adopted you would see many girls aborted leading the problems that are starting to show in china of males having problems finding wives, which on a world wide scale would be a catastrophe, even in places where you don’t need strong sons for the farm, having a daughter would mean the death of your family line and the end of your legacy. well meaning laws that ignore the actual outcome of their implementation are far more dangerous than any petty or corrupt law.

  • Haystack

    This is the policy that led the Chinese to drastically reduce their female population through selective abortion.

  • Haystack

    This is the policy that led the Chinese to drastically reduce their female population through selective abortion.

  • StopBreathingSaveEarth

    pssstt Man made global warming is a lie!

  • StopBreathingSaveEarth

    pssstt Man made global warming is a lie!

  • Haystack

    And cigarettes are good for you.

  • Hamsanath437

    maybe he hadn’t come to the conclusion until after having kids

  • Hamsanath437

    This isn’t a bad idea. Population growth is actually a serious problem that isn’t given enough attention due to the stigma of saying that having kids willynilly may not be such a grand idea in the long run.

  • Hamsanath437

    This isn’t a bad idea. Population growth is actually a serious problem that isn’t given enough attention due to the stigma of saying that having kids willynilly may not be such a grand idea in the long run.

  • GoodDoktorBad

    It would be a good thing if people had fewer children in general, but to make it mandatory is going way to far.

    I was watching a PBS program about a certain African man who had 10 children. Apparently, this is not uncommon there. He had no means of caring for them and they were in sad shape. Perhaps, in many cases, the influence of certain Christian dogmas (and others) prevent access to birth control in such places. Of course those same dogmas don’t prevent people from having sex. I can imagine depression is also rampant in such places and sex can be a pleasant but temporary distraction from it all. It also produces children you can’t take care of.
    I think the pressure from religious orgs. to avoid birth control and to practice abstinence instead is unrealistic to say the least, not to mention damaging to the environment and good common sense……
    So what else is new?

    • dbgvkj;

      In some under-developed countries, and in some parts of developed countries, having a lot of children is, in the short term, a means of economic gain, as most of one’s income is derived from how much work your family(or other relevant group) can do to process raw resources into something to survive on. In the long term, it’s also a way of hedging bets against having no one to care for you when you are feeble, because it seems more likely to have 1 out of 7 kids survive disease and resource shortage than 1 out of 2. If alternate means of extracting value from your environment are not provided, via better technology(concrete instead of mud, water pumps instead of buckets), better basic education, or reliable civic and fiscal infrastructures, then people keep having more kids. It’s the textbook definition of a vicious cycle.
      That said, religion and social mores (especially gender roles) play a huge part as well.
      There are a variety of ways that governments can(and have) curtailed socially driven birth rates, such as limiting the political discourse of clergy or religious institutions(mexico pre-1994) and incentivising or fully-funding the use of long-term contraception, such as IUDs and vasectomies, no strings attached. Instead we do the opposite, both socially and financially. Naturally non-procreative couples(read gay) are ostracized, breeders exalted and given tax-money or tax breaks. International aide for birth control gets coupled with compliance with any number of mandatory yet unrelated policy changes, making every nation’s acceptance of such aide a Faustian bargain in the truest sense of the term.

  • Anonymous

    It would be a good thing if people had fewer children in general, but to make it mandatory is going way to far.

    I was watching a PBS program about a certain African man who had 10 children. Apparently, this is not uncommon there. He had no means of caring for them and they were in sad shape. Perhaps, in many cases, the influence of certain Christian dogmas (and others) prevent access to birth control in such places. Of course those same dogmas don’t prevent people from having sex. I can imagine depression is also rampant in such places and sex can be a pleasant but temporary distraction from it all. It also produces children you can’t take care of.
    I think the pressure from religious orgs. to avoid birth control and to practice abstinence instead is unrealistic to say the least, not to mention damaging to the environment and good common sense……
    So what else is new?

  • Mrpsychoface

    Overpopulation is not a myth. If you think other wise your sticking your goddamn head in the sand.

    Humanity is destroying countless animal and plant species due to de-forestation and habitat destruction. Housing is continually built on fertile farm ground and razed forests. Due to high chemical wastes from massive crop production the gulf of Mexico is no longer sustaining fish and sea life.

    People are using all the room, killing all the life and eating and breeding as fast as we fucking can because its their right!? Listen mother fuckers do you think your right to breed is worth more than the existance of all the other plant an animal species on earth? Do you want your children to grow up in a resource poor world where every drop of water is luxury? Give your children a chance to live in a green world where there is plenty. If there is a population reduction of one kid per family everyone will get a chance to breed, large population centers won’t be destroyed by famine and war for resources and our collective and culutural history will live on togther.

    If you think your seed is so important you must spread it at the cost of resources and the future of this planet. Go fuck yourself and die. I’ll be raising my one child to be a cannibal and live off your litter.

    • Liam_McGonagle

      I basically agree with your premise, but it gets a little more complicated around the edges.

      Turns out, at least as currently configured, economies are set up to require a steady increase in the supply of young laborers. In the U.S. we try to bullshit ourselves that we can run an economy based solely on shuffling paper around, but as the last few years and our current relationship with China seems to point out, that ain’t necessarily so. Come to find out you need to actually make and build shit to have a for-real economy.

      And at some point the oldsters just can’t cut muster any more–even though they’re living longer and consuming more resources per capita than ever.

      So, yes, clearly we have an OVER-population problem in terms of consumption. But it is equally clear thatin the short term, in mature Western economies, anyhow, we also have an UNDER-population problem in terms of young, productive people.

      Now, rationally, you’d think we’d be able to work something out via immigration policy, but xenophobia being what it is, that type of fix is gonna be decades, maybe generations in the making. So as long as this is only cloud talk, I recommend we pull a “Logan’s Run” scenario and mandatorially euthanize anyone over 30. That’d solve both problems pretty neatly, wouldn’t it? And without the nasty problem of ‘racial mixing’.*

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27_Run

      * This horrible, offensive idea is parody only folks, a la Jonathan Swift’s “A Modest Proposal” which ‘recommended’ cannibalism as a solution to famine. Just jokes, just jokes.

      • garuda

        Interesting you bring China’s economic need and factor in the world. They have had a one-child policy now for 15 years. Where are the top economic cities in the world now, mostly in China.

        • Liam_McGonagle

          1. What do you mean by ‘top economic cities’? What are your criteria? That’s not a standard term in economics–‘top economic city’. What is a ‘top economic city’?

          2. I think you should stop and read a bit before you go declaring China ‘economic heaven’–whatever that might mean. Wealth is so unfairly distributed that it seems a bit of a sham to call what China’s got going on a ‘success’ at all–except by comparison to the pitifully stupid paper-shufflin’ economies of the West. The most notable feature of wealth distribution in China is its high correlation to membership in the Communist party–hardly a paradigm of capitalist virtue.

          http://ftp.iza.org/dp2553.pdf

          3. If you think that China’s “success” is built on anything more than a skillfully state coordinated play of dumbass Western biases against actually makin’ shit, you’re kidding yourself. It’s all driven by cheap labor and export–China has very weak internal markets. As a percentage of GDP, individuals’ incomes are less than 1/2 of that in the U.S.

          http://biz.zeenews.com/news/news_content.aspx?newscatid=5&newsid=17713

          4. But even a draconian, state-enforced adherence to manipulation of our own Western biases towards greed and stupidity can’t save them in the long run. They are looking forward to peaking of their own labor makrets within the next 15 years or so, brought on by the 1-child policy. You should really peruse the literature now and again.

          http://www.wikinvest.com/concept/China's_Aging_Population

          http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/30/world/asia/30aging.html

          So I’d avise folks to get over the fantasy that China’s hit the magic jackpot; they’re vulnerable, too.

          • Clintoncladj

            Thats why all of our govt wants to get the country back to work. Work means mass labor for less

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Well, that’s a pretty big statement.

            But if you mean to say that the current economic paradigm forces line workers to accept continued reductions in their standards of living, that’s undoubtedly true. I’ve seen lots of shit to that effect in the literature, but now that I’m doing a deeper dive into tax policy re: this latest millionaire giveaway, it just keeps getting thrown into sharper and sharper reflief.

            http://dystopiadiaries.blogspot.com/2010/12/whats-difference-between-greatest.html

            Table 2, towards the end of that post, shows the elite, richest tax filers receiving about 150% as much benefit of tax regime changes since 1965 as did the median filer. This wealth-redistribution trend just keeps giving the rich a bigger and bigger club to pound the shit out of workers with, and destroy their bargaining leverage in wage negotiations.

            But I’m sure the actual situation’s even worse, when you consider that a much larger proportion of the uber-rich’s net worth is comprised of capital assets like stocks and bonds–the vast majority of those assets’ values don’t even hit the tax radar until they’re sold.

            That’s why I’m almost certain that any solution to getting rid of the deficit, and altering the dynamic of financial markets in a way that gets capital flowing again into the real economy is going to include some kind of property tax on large securities’ holdings. I want to do a bit more research before I get more specific than that, but it does form part of the policy platform that I’m articulating here:

            http://dystopiadiaries.blogspot.com/p/policy-directions.html

            That’s the basic policy direction, and the macro-picture seems chrystal clear to me. There’s no freakin’ way the stock market can be anything but a capital hoarding mechanism, with the Dow going over 11,000 and unemployment actually increasing last report.

    • Drewdini

      Technologies that would allow humans to sustain larger populations with minimal negative impact to the ecosystem have existed for decades, but they will always be suppressed by The Powers That Be. The reason is simple: environmental destruction is profitable for the corporate rulers. Destroying natural resources and biodiversity eliminates our ability to stay self-sufficient and forces us to become increasingly dependent on corporations and governments. The corporate oligarchs are now selling us artificial and genetically modified replacements for the natural resources we have consumed for hundreds of thousands of years.

      Domesticated, neutered and brainwashed subscribers to the globalist one-child propaganda should set the ultimate example and end their lives now. Freethinkers still remain that understand the truth of the government raping of our scientific development.

      Even, for the sake of argument, if we as a species manage to cause the extinction of all life on earth outside of single-celled organisms, more sophisticated life will simply re-emerge with time(notice that scientists recently bred organisms that survive in poisonous arsenic). Life is eternal… it is the Ted Turners and Effewes that are finite events… nothing more than rain drops in the middle of an ocean.

      Of course, the end of all life is not the state-sponsored master plan- the elite are saving unaltered plant seeds for themselves, and have copied the genetic information of numerous species. The ultra-elite hope to eliminate the “lower” segment of humanity and begin anew, with hijacked clean technologies, in the wake of our death and destruction. They hope to co-opt useful idiots into participation of their eugenics schemes in the meantime.

    • yousuck

      you are a fucking idiot. please end your life now. that child would be much better without you

      • Mystic. realist

        How would you combat the population problem?, from what I understand almost every species on the planet and resorces are in decline. From what I under stand, humans are the majority of the problem. The last twenty years the poulation has about dubbeld right? This is a problem right? exspecialy with corperate ajenda leading the way.

    • Estebanbryan

      I lost you at the end.

    • Mystic/realist

      My freaking hero, I’ll be with you on the fore front.

    • ScarabDrowner

      “Overpopulation is not a myth.” You must not have been to Wyoming.

    • One-Child-Policy-FTW

      ahaha, i agree, last paragraph made me laugh soo much!

  • Mrpsychoface

    Overpopulation is not a myth. If you think other wise your sticking your goddamn head in the sand.

    Humanity is destroying countless animal and plant species due to de-forestation and habitat destruction. Housing is continually built on fertile farm ground and razed forests. Due to high chemical wastes from massive crop production the gulf of Mexico is no longer sustaining fish and sea life.

    People are using all the room, killing all the life and eating and breeding as fast as we fucking can because its their right!? Listen mother fuckers do you think your right to breed is worth more than the existance of all the other plant an animal species on earth? Do you want your children to grow up in a resource poor world where every drop of water is luxury? Give your children a chance to live in a green world where there is plenty. If there is a population reduction of one kid per family everyone will get a chance to breed, large population centers won’t be destroyed by famine and war for resources and our collective and culutural history will live on togther.

    If you think your seed is so important you must spread it at the cost of resources and the future of this planet. Go fuck yourself and die. I’ll be raising my one child to be a cannibal and live off your litter.

  • Effewe

    I guess he should kill his grown ass children to prove a point that became clear years after they were adults. Part of being an intelligent person is knowing when to change course.
    …. Of course people like you who use red-herrings to guide a conversation wouldn’t fucking get that.

  • Effewe

    No the Chinese culture sexism and lack of respect for humanity led to selective abortion. Blame the culture not the well intentioned law. The law said one child, not one boy and a dozen aborted girls turned into soup.

    Yes, they actually made girls into soup.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Like so many things, great in theory…not so much in practice. The devil is always in the details. Among the rich, the idea is that the poor shouldn’t have so many kids…the rich campaign for laws and donate to politicians…so who gets the exemptions…only the wealthy. Anybody else winds up with their tubes tied whether they want it or not.

    It always starts with a great idea to save the world…it always ends in brutality of enforcement because people rarely comply and do something smart of their own volition.

    I want a world with less starving people in it, and more social justice…but I also know that I wont see that happen by handing over the kind of enforcement powers needed to make this happen. It would be nice if we could at least get the churches to stop teaching people that condoms are evil…because theres a huge difference between being handed the power to decide when to conceive and taking away the right to conceive period. Education is acceptable…the evils born of enforcement are not.

    • damg

      i don’t know if this makes me a “fascist” or not, but as someone who was adopted and doesn’t know their birth parents i see nothing wrong with mandatory sperm samples for every male over a certain adolescent age before mandatory steralisation. Then, a parental license should be applied for much like an adoption license where there are rigorous screening processes in place to stop people who aren’t financially/emotionally able to deal with the responsibility of having kids from having kids.
      the only reason i say this is because it angers me that there are hundreds of thousands of unwanted/orphaned children who are never knowing a mother’s/father’s love because people are obsessed with the idea of gene reproduction. i think its incredibly selfish actually to believe that the child from *Your* loins that doesn’t exist yet has more of a right to a family than the aforementioned hundreds of thousands of lives already in existence. call me ignorant if you like, but try watching “Jeremy Kyle” on british TV, or even going to a shopping centre here in Glasgow and watch “parents” take their beloved kids to drug dealers houses to pick up a fix, or just chain their prams to the pub doors for 5 hours in the afternoon while they get drunk on dole money. or maybe get on the bus to Govan and see 15 year old “Karen” smacking the shit out of her little boy for crying too much..
      i realise this may make me sound like a Daily Mail reader – for the record i’m not.

      • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

        believe me…I understand the horror of it all…I watch the consequences every day in a small American city…where impoverished people of every race, creed and color treat their kids and everyone else around them like garbage…every day…

        and then I watch my nephew and niece…4 and 7 respectively…raised by my brother and his wife, with loving help from all of us…who do not live in fear or privation…who have rules to live by and plenty of love to go with the rules…who are bright and talented and happy in a way that my cynical soul can now only experience “through” them…

        and I know that it can work…and it can be done well…and that its wrong to assume on people’s behalf that they WILL fail…and then forbid them from the chance of succeeding on the basis that, if others have failed, then everyone must be doomed to the same.

        my life isn’t blessed by vast piles of cash…or perfect weather…or fame or even recognition…but it’s CHOCK FULL of incredible people and family and love and things that I’d happily be a martyr to protect…just to show my thanks and gratitude for having had the times with them that I’ve had.

        If I can recommend one thing…don’t focus the whole of your attention on the terrible things in life…keep your eyes open to what isn’t terrible…and you can find it here and there. I’m a horribly cynical and sarcastic bastard…but I am regularly amazed at the glimmers of what is wonderful in life…and because I know they are there to be found, I never stop looking for them.

        • damg

          Thanks.
          i did get myself into a slight rage there and for that i apologise. im not trying to “forbid them from the chance of succeeding” in any way. The method i mentioned of sperm samples FIRST then sterilization means that everyone has an equal chance. there would be no chance of accidental or unwanted pregnancies, only one more step to stop and think “am i ready/able to be responsible for a life?”.
          don’t get me wrong, the world and a lot of things in it are beautiful and terrifying and ugly and wonderful – and i hate to sound like the old cliche’, but this is our world’s future we’re talking about here.
          your reply made me feel good though. its always reassuring to see how kind and noble people can be. :)

      • Hadrian999

        well in the united states a mandatory sperm sample would be unconstitutional under the 4th amendment,in a country that doesn’t even like the idea of ID cards it would be impossible to pass a law for compulsory sterilization without open revolution resulting
        and any kind of reproduction license would be too easy to corrupt for eugenic purposes, and the hysteria that that possibility would cause would be soon politicized. not to mention vasectomies are so hit or miss doctors refuse to stand by the results of them.

        • damg

          hate to sound defeatist/nihilistic here but your own government has basically defined the term “unconstitutional” on more than several occasions.
          And “Open Revolution”? in America in 2010? thats ridiculous. Britain is the same…i mean, look at how little people are bothered about the huge stuff! i always make jokes that the best way to kick start the revolution would be to stop making new television, turn off the internet, and make sure everyone’s iphones stop working. unfortunate but true. besides, “compulsory sterilization” – technically the correct term but it is only part of the plan. i just don’t see how giving every single human an equal chance to have children would be detrimental to the world. in fact, in my opinion the benefits far outweigh the negative aspects, which are almost purely sociological.

          • Hadrian999

            using rationality to understand us public policy or the reaction to it is your first mistake.
            anything that the religious right could use to drum up religious mania in any way will be used,
            those people get wierder every day.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Like so many things, great in theory…not so much in practice. The devil is always in the details. Among the rich, the idea is that the poor shouldn’t have so many kids…the rich campaign for laws and donate to politicians…so who gets the exemptions…only the wealthy. Anybody else winds up with their tubes tied whether they want it or not.

    It always starts with a great idea to save the world…it always ends in brutality of enforcement because people rarely comply and do something smart of their own volition.

    I want a world with less starving people in it, and more social justice…but I also know that I wont see that happen by handing over the kind of enforcement powers needed to make this happen. It would be nice if we could at least get the churches to stop teaching people that condoms are evil…because theres a huge difference between being handed the power to decide when to conceive and taking away the right to conceive period. Education is acceptable…the evils born of enforcement are not.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    I basically agree with your premise, but it gets a little more complicated around the edges.

    Turns out, at least as currently configured, economies are set up to require a steady increase in the supply of young laborers. In the U.S. we try to bullshit ourselves that we can run an economy based solely on shuffling paper around, but as the last few years and our current relationship with China seems to point out, that ain’t necessarily so. Come to find out you need to actually make and build shit to have a for-real economy.

    And at some point the oldsters just can’t cut muster any more–even though they’re living longer and consuming more resources per capita than ever.

    So, yes, clearly we have an OVER-population problem in terms of consumption. But it is equally clear thatin the short term, in mature Western economies, anyhow, we also have an UNDER-population problem in terms of young, productive people.

    Now, rationally, you’d think we’d be able to work something out via immigration policy, but xenophobia being what it is, that type of fix is gonna be decades, maybe generations in the making. So as long as this is only cloud talk, I recommend we pull a “Logan’s Run” scenario and mandatorially euthanize anyone over 30. That’d solve both problems pretty neatly, wouldn’t it? And without the nasty problem of ‘racial mixing’.*

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27_Run

    * This horrible, offensive idea is parody only folks, a la Jonathan Swift’s “A Modest Proposal” which ‘recommended’ cannibalism as a solution to famine. Just jokes, just jokes.

  • dbgvkj;

    In some under-developed countries, and in some parts of developed countries, having a lot of children is, in the short term, a means of economic gain, as most of one’s income is derived from how much work your family(or other relevant group) can do to process raw resources into something to survive on. In the long term, it’s also a way of hedging bets against having no one to care for you when you are feeble, because it seems more likely to have 1 out of 7 kids survive disease and resource shortage than 1 out of 2. If alternate means of extracting value from your environment are not provided, via better technology(concrete instead of mud, water pumps instead of buckets), better basic education, or reliable civic and fiscal infrastructures, then people keep having more kids. It’s the textbook definition of a vicious cycle.
    That said, religion and social mores (especially gender roles) play a huge part as well.
    There are a variety of ways that governments can(and have) curtailed socially driven birth rates, such as limiting the political discourse of clergy or religious institutions(mexico pre-1994) and incentivising or fully-funding the use of long-term contraception, such as IUDs and vasectomies, no strings attached. Instead we do the opposite, both socially and financially. Naturally non-procreative couples(read gay) are ostracized, breeders exalted and given tax-money or tax breaks. International aide for birth control gets coupled with compliance with any number of mandatory yet unrelated policy changes, making every nation’s acceptance of such aide a Faustian bargain in the truest sense of the term.

  • DeepCough

    Is it time for another mass war yet?

  • DeepCough

    Is it time for another mass war yet?

  • Drewdini

    Technologies that would allow humans to sustain larger populations with minimal negative impact to the ecosystem have existed for decades, but they will always be suppressed by The Powers That Be. The reason is simple: environmental destruction is profitable for the corporate rulers. Destroying natural resources and biodiversity eliminates our ability to stay self-sufficient and forces us to become increasingly dependent on corporations and governments. The corporate oligarchs are now selling us artificial and genetically modified replacements for the natural resources we have consumed for hundreds of thousands of years.

    Domesticated, neutered and brainwashed subscribers to the globalist one-child propaganda should set the ultimate example and end their lives now. Freethinkers still remain that understand the truth of the government raping of our scientific development.

    Even, for the sake of argument, if we as a species manage to cause the extinction of all life on earth outside of single-celled organisms, more sophisticated life will simply re-emerge with time(notice that scientists recently bred organisms that survive in poisonous arsenic). Life is eternal… it is the Ted Turners and Effewes that are finite events… nothing more than rain drops in the middle of an ocean.

    Of course, the end of all life is not the state-sponsored master plan- the elite are saving unaltered plant seeds for themselves, and have copied the genetic information of numerous species. The ultra-elite hope to eliminate the “lower” segment of humanity and begin anew, with hijacked clean technologies, in the wake of our death and destruction. They hope to co-opt useful idiots into participation of their eugenics schemes in the meantime.

  • Argosy Jones

    No. If he thinks the world is overpopulated, as you do, lead by example, and kill yourself. You can write a manifesto first, to convince the rest of us.

  • Argosy Jones

    I’m sure that all the aborted babies in the US feel a bit better about their situation knowing that sexism played no part in their de-selection.

  • Siminatongue

    Says the man who’s financial empire burns through more fossil fuels than many third world countries.

  • Siminatongue

    Says the man who’s financial empire burns through more fossil fuels than many third world countries.

  • 5by5

    I think if we just neuter the Bush and Cheney families, we’ll be ahead of the game. They are not something we want swimming around the gene pool.

  • 5by5

    I think if we just neuter the Bush and Cheney families, we’ll be ahead of the game. They are not something we want swimming around the gene pool.

  • Hadrian999

    human nature insures that a one child policy will never work.
    agrarian societies require lots of children, without some draconian measures to enforce,(yeah the UN enforcing anything is funny I know) it would be ignored by most of the 3rd world. if it were adopted you would see many girls aborted leading the problems that are starting to show in china of males having problems finding wives, which on a world wide scale would be a catastrophe, even in places where you don’t need strong sons for the farm, having a daughter would mean the death of your family line and the end of your legacy. well meaning laws that ignore the actual outcome of their implementation are far more dangerous than any petty or corrupt law.

  • Xxx

    I don’t know what the big deal is…It is time to take responsibility for depleting Earth’s resources (true, most of em are in control of the rich elite but still). There’s too many people in the world, we can’t feed all of them, let alone making it worse by bringing more “mewing cabbages” into this world. If we accept it now and take personal responsibility, perhaps the elite will reconsider their covert plans for depopulation(not that we shouldn’t get rid of the elite anyway, but lets be realistic here).
    Why is it such a touchy subject? Because of personal freedom? And WTF about any drugs being illegal-nobody is bothered by that?
    Btw, I don’t have any children and don’t plan on having any….not in this world.

  • Xxx

    I don’t know what the big deal is…It is time to take responsibility for depleting Earth’s resources (true, most of em are in control of the rich elite but still). There’s too many people in the world, we can’t feed all of them, let alone making it worse by bringing more “mewing cabbages” into this world. If we accept it now and take personal responsibility, perhaps the elite will reconsider their covert plans for depopulation(not that we shouldn’t get rid of the elite anyway, but lets be realistic here).
    Why is it such a touchy subject? Because of personal freedom? And WTF about any drugs being illegal-nobody is bothered by that?
    Btw, I don’t have any children and don’t plan on having any….not in this world.

  • Strummingbabe

    screw ted turner i hope he chokes and no one saves him because he is a eugenicist turd.

  • Strummingbabe

    screw ted turner i hope he chokes and no one saves him because he is a eugenicist turd.

  • damg

    i don’t know if this makes me a “fascist” or not, but as someone who was adopted and doesn’t know their birth parents i see nothing wrong with mandatory sperm samples for every male over a certain adolescent age before mandatory steralisation. Then, a parental license should be applied for much like an adoption license where there are rigorous screening processes in place to stop people who aren’t financially/emotionally able to deal with the responsibility of having kids from having kids.
    the only reason i say this is because it angers me that there are hundreds of thousands of unwanted/orphaned children who are never knowing a mother’s/father’s love because people are obsessed with the idea of gene reproduction. i think its incredibly selfish actually to believe that the child from *Your* loins that doesn’t exist yet has more of a right to a family than the aforementioned hundreds of thousands of lives already in existence. call me ignorant if you like, but try watching “Jeremy Kyle” on british TV, or even going to a shopping centre here in Glasgow and watch “parents” take their beloved kids to drug dealers houses to pick up a fix, or just chain their prams to the pub doors for 5 hours in the afternoon while they get drunk on dole money. or maybe get on the bus to Govan and see 15 year old “Karen” smacking the shit out of her little boy for crying too much..
    i realise this may make me sound like a Daily Mail reader – for the record i’m not.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    believe me…I understand the horror of it all…I watch the consequences every day in a small American city…where impoverished people of every race, creed and color treat their kids and everyone else around them like garbage…every day…

    and then I watch my nephew and niece…4 and 7 respectively…raised by my brother and his wife, with loving help from all of us…who do not live in fear or privation…who have rules to live by and plenty of love to go with the rules…who are bright and talented and happy in a way that my cynical soul can now only experience “through” them…

    and I know that it can work…and it can be done well…and that its wrong to assume on people’s behalf that they WILL fail…and then forbid them from the chance of succeeding on the basis that, if others have failed, then everyone must be doomed to the same.

    my life isn’t blessed by vast piles of cash…or perfect weather…or fame or even recognition…but it’s CHOCK FULL of incredible people and family and love and things that I’d happily be a martyr to protect…just to show my thanks and gratitude for having had the times with them that I’ve had.

    If I can recommend one thing…don’t focus the whole of your attention on the terrible things in life…keep your eyes open to what isn’t terrible…and you can find it here and there. I’m a horribly cynical and sarcastic bastard…but I am regularly amazed at the glimmers of what is wonderful in life…and because I know they are there to be found, I never stop looking for them.

  • Anonymous

    Then it is too late to give an opinion, unless he gets; 4 of his children sterilised to make up for his fecundity, until then his opinion on this matter is shite, tough. The better alternate is free drugs with added birth control and reproductive licences for those that pass empathy and intelligence tests, likely that would exclude him (empathy fail).

  • Anonymous

    I would of course disagree with a suicide policy even if you were to upgrade it to, a ‘take one with you’ policy, you know a rich anti-social conservative, the richer the better, make the world a better and less populated place. You know as conservatives say, there is nothing that get the economy going better than moving money around and there’s nothing like inheritance for moving lots of money around really fast.

  • hiddenplace

    interesting, Terence McKenna once suggested the same thing! as i remember, in one of his talks Terence said he asked “the mushrooms” how to save the world, and a global one-child policy was their suggestion. he said this would cut the human population in half in 50 years. interesting idea, but completely unworkable, except in the event of a global consciousness shift or an oppressive world government……

  • hiddenplace

    interesting, Terence McKenna once suggested the same thing! as i remember, in one of his talks Terence said he asked “the mushrooms” how to save the world, and a global one-child policy was their suggestion. he said this would cut the human population in half in 50 years. interesting idea, but completely unworkable, except in the event of a global consciousness shift or an oppressive world government……

  • damg

    Thanks.
    i did get myself into a slight rage there and for that i apologise. im not trying to “forbid them from the chance of succeeding” in any way. The method i mentioned of sperm samples FIRST then sterilization means that everyone has an equal chance. there would be no chance of accidental or unwanted pregnancies, only one more step to stop and think “am i ready/able to be responsible for a life?”.
    don’t get me wrong, the world and a lot of things in it are beautiful and terrifying and ugly and wonderful – and i hate to sound like the old cliche’, but this is our world’s future we’re talking about here.
    your reply made me feel good though. its always reassuring to see how kind and noble people can be. :)

  • Ironaddict06

    Many good points by all. There is no question that the human population is out of control. I read somewhere that from WW2 to current to world population has more than doubled. It seems that the people having the most kids are the people that can’t afford to have multiple kids. Majority of people that have the resources to have multiple kids are not reproducing for what ever reason. There does need to be some system to determine if you can have multiple children. I don’t have the answer. Some one will always be offended, and SUE.
    I once suggested a small amount of birth control be put in fast food. That way the people that lived on fast food would be the least likely to reproduce.

  • Ironaddict06

    Many good points by all. There is no question that the human population is out of control. I read somewhere that from WW2 to current to world population has more than doubled. It seems that the people having the most kids are the people that can’t afford to have multiple kids. Majority of people that have the resources to have multiple kids are not reproducing for what ever reason. There does need to be some system to determine if you can have multiple children. I don’t have the answer. Some one will always be offended, and SUE.
    I once suggested a small amount of birth control be put in fast food. That way the people that lived on fast food would be the least likely to reproduce.

    • damg

      hahaha and you all thought i was sick!

  • Cerebralcaustic

    “Do as I say, not as I do” is becoming the norm among EVERYONE.

    My favorite example of this double-standard is women filing for about 75% of divorces in America, and them having the temerity to complain that men are ‘afraid of commitment.’

  • Hadrian999

    well in the united states a mandatory sperm sample would be unconstitutional under the 4th amendment,
    and any kind of reproduction license would be too easy to corrupt for eugenic purposes, and the hysteria that that possibility would cause would be soon politicized

  • http://twitter.com/pocketofsoil Brent DeBoard

    CAAAPTAIN PLAAAAAANET

  • http://twitter.com/pocketofsoil Brent

    CAAAPTAIN PLAAAAAANET

  • 3D3N

    I think the really sensitive issue here is why aren’t we living in space yet so we can leave the bitch to heal?

  • 3D3N

    I think the really sensitive issue here is why aren’t we living in space yet so we can leave the bitch to heal?

    • Drewdini

      exactly

  • Cerebralsubversion

    I’m one of the few radical people that can’t just blindly point fingers at the rich. The poor often deserve their own misery. No one points a gun at the head of 16 year olds and says, hey, have 3 kids you can’t afford before you’re 25 thus ruining your life and theirs. I am one of the more responsible people I know, and I will never have children, because I like to do a lot of other things, like play in bands, write books, etc.. Seems like an incredibly boring and unfulfilling thing to do with your time. Everyone I know that has kids turns cripplingly tame and miserable with a slick rapiditiy. Unless you’re rich, you don’t even have time or resources to raise them properly. Why do you think corporation encourage a family environment. Once you have those kids, you’re fucked. Can’t quit your job now because you need it.

    When I was growing up in the 90’s, MTV was all about trippy animation, videos by more artsy bands like Soundgarden, Monster Magnet, Tool, etc. Now it’s Teen Mom 24/7. If you don’t think this is a problem, you’re completely insane. The idea that rich people don’t promote an agenda of irresponsible reproductivity to the poor, again, insane. Every kids gonna have to buy shit from wealthy corporations. Every single one of them. Who’s gonna work at 7/11 if not for poor neglected kids with no opportunities or education? Go Ted Turner for actually acknowledging that overpopulation is a problem. Most people still can’t come to terms with that.

    Every story about Alien contactees you read involves some kind of interest in DNA and concern for our environment, and yet the idea that we should consciously breed human beings like we do say, dogs, is so controversial you can’t even bring it up at this point in history. We’re making robots instead of super people. Robots whose primary function will be making us more miserable as a means of murder and replacement of the labor force.

    My wife and I both have schizophrenia in our family, meaning if we had a kid, there’s about 50/50 odds that it would be schizo. When we explain this to family who are encouraging us repeatedly to have children, even though it makes exactly zero sense spiritually, financially, or for any other reason, you get blank stares. What? Actually thinking about the DNA of your child and how that might effect it’s life. Unheard of.

    Currently, the dominant religions of the world’s primary function is to repress spirituality (and by that I mean transpersonal experiences that actually alter behavior for the benefit of everyone by expanding consciousness and helping humans see the macro-perspective beyond time and death), sexuality, and encourage irresponsible reproductive practices. If I were to point a finger at where we’ve gone wrong, that’d be where I’d point it. We are the backwater rednecks of the multiverse. Willfully ignorant to our own eternal nature. The archons of the universe are dark comedians and your life is a joke. It’s written right into your DNA, in much the same way it is in say a pug. We’re bread for this spectacle. This is what I’ve been shown. I choose to laugh with them. Go ahead, torch me.

  • Cerebralsubversion

    I’m one of the few radical people that can’t just blindly point fingers at the rich. The poor often deserve their own misery. No one points a gun at the head of 16 year olds and says, hey, have 3 kids you can’t afford before you’re 25 thus ruining your life and theirs. I am one of the more responsible people I know, and I will never have children, because I like to do a lot of other things, like play in bands, write books, etc.. Seems like an incredibly boring and unfulfilling thing to do with your time. Everyone I know that has kids turns cripplingly tame and miserable with a slick rapiditiy. Unless you’re rich, you don’t even have time or resources to raise them properly. Why do you think corporation encourage a family environment. Once you have those kids, you’re fucked. Can’t quit your job now because you need it.

    When I was growing up in the 90’s, MTV was all about trippy animation, videos by more artsy bands like Soundgarden, Monster Magnet, Tool, etc. Now it’s Teen Mom 24/7. If you don’t think this is a problem, you’re completely insane. The idea that rich people don’t promote an agenda of irresponsible reproductivity to the poor, again, insane. Every kids gonna have to buy shit from wealthy corporations. Every single one of them. Who’s gonna work at 7/11 if not for poor neglected kids with no opportunities or education? Go Ted Turner for actually acknowledging that overpopulation is a problem. Most people still can’t come to terms with that.

    Every story about Alien contactees you read involves some kind of interest in DNA and concern for our environment, and yet the idea that we should consciously breed human beings like we do say, dogs, is so controversial you can’t even bring it up at this point in history. We’re making robots instead of super people. Robots whose primary function will be making us more miserable as a means of murder and replacement of the labor force.

    My wife and I both have schizophrenia in our family, meaning if we had a kid, there’s about 50/50 odds that it would be schizo. When we explain this to family who are encouraging us repeatedly to have children, even though it makes exactly zero sense spiritually, financially, or for any other reason, you get blank stares. What? Actually thinking about the DNA of your child and how that might effect it’s life. Unheard of.

    Currently, the dominant religions of the world’s primary function is to repress spirituality (and by that I mean transpersonal experiences that actually alter behavior for the benefit of everyone by expanding consciousness and helping humans see the macro-perspective beyond time and death), sexuality, and encourage irresponsible reproductive practices. If I were to point a finger at where we’ve gone wrong, that’d be where I’d point it. We are the backwater rednecks of the multiverse. Willfully ignorant to our own eternal nature. The archons of the universe are dark comedians and your life is a joke. It’s written right into your DNA, in much the same way it is in say a pug. We’re bread for this spectacle. This is what I’ve been shown. I choose to laugh with them. Go ahead, torch me.

  • Cerebralsubversion

    I’m one of the few radical people that can’t just blindly point fingers at the rich. The poor often deserve their own misery. No one points a gun at the head of 16 year olds and says, hey, have 3 kids you can’t afford before you’re 25 thus ruining your life and theirs. I am one of the more responsible people I know, and I will never have children, because I like to do a lot of other things, like play in bands, write books, etc.. Seems like an incredibly boring and unfulfilling thing to do with your time. Everyone I know that has kids turns cripplingly tame and miserable with a slick rapiditiy. Unless you’re rich, you don’t even have time or resources to raise them properly. Why do you think corporation encourage a family environment. Once you have those kids, you’re fucked. Can’t quit your job now because you need it.

    When I was growing up in the 90’s, MTV was all about trippy animation, videos by more artsy bands like Soundgarden, Monster Magnet, Tool, etc. Now it’s Teen Mom 24/7. If you don’t think this is a problem, you’re completely insane. The idea that rich people don’t promote an agenda of irresponsible reproductivity to the poor, again, insane. Every kids gonna have to buy shit from wealthy corporations. Every single one of them. Who’s gonna work at 7/11 if not for poor neglected kids with no opportunities or education? Go Ted Turner for actually acknowledging that overpopulation is a problem. Most people still can’t come to terms with that.

    Every story about Alien contactees you read involves some kind of interest in DNA and concern for our environment, and yet the idea that we should consciously breed human beings like we do say, dogs, is so controversial you can’t even bring it up at this point in history. We’re making robots instead of super people. Robots whose primary function will be making us more miserable as a means of murder and replacement of the labor force.

    My wife and I both have schizophrenia in our family, meaning if we had a kid, there’s about 50/50 odds that it would be schizo. When we explain this to family who are encouraging us repeatedly to have children, even though it makes exactly zero sense spiritually, financially, or for any other reason, you get blank stares. What? Actually thinking about the DNA of your child and how that might effect it’s life. Unheard of.

    Currently, the dominant religions of the world’s primary function is to repress spirituality (and by that I mean transpersonal experiences that actually alter behavior for the benefit of everyone by expanding consciousness and helping humans see the macro-perspective beyond time and death), sexuality, and encourage irresponsible reproductive practices. If I were to point a finger at where we’ve gone wrong, that’d be where I’d point it. We are the backwater rednecks of the multiverse. Willfully ignorant to our own eternal nature. The archons of the universe are dark comedians and your life is a joke. It’s written right into your DNA, in much the same way it is in say a pug. We’re bread for this spectacle. This is what I’ve been shown. I choose to laugh with them. Go ahead, torch me.

    • Nikk

      “We are the backwater rednecks of the multiverse.” Nice! :-)

    • Drewdini

      You and your wife have Schizophrenia because overlords like Ted Turner buy stock in Pharmaceutical companies that misdiagnose you and profit off of medicating you until your dying day… not to mention you’ve subjected your brains to a steady diet of artificial/poisonous McDonalds etc.

      You have little respect for yourself or others. You view yourself as a spectacle, and so you must also view your wife as a spectacle. I bet she feels special.

      You feel that the responsibility of raising a family is too boring and unfulfilling. Ted Turner takes his superiority complex quite seriously, and therefore, has his way with you however he likes. You get Ted Turners rocks off, so to speak.

      It doesn’t bother me a great deal, other than, I wonder if anyone has done you the favor of explaining how ignorant you sound.

      • JaiGuru

        Some of you are new to forums/comment boxes so I offer this public service announcement.

        Drewdini is what we call a troll. It is sub human and should under no circumstances be engaged with intellectually, rationally, logically…..in fact just do not converse with it at all. Let it rant and rave and get it out of it’s system. This is what we call not “feeding the trolls”. Lack of attention kills them after a period of increased aggrivation at not getting the attention they so desperately seek.

        Use this information to your benefit and we can all have a happier world right there.

        Buy Snackey Smores.

        • Drewdini

          I’m especially desperate for attention from you JaiGuru. If you change your mind about engaging me intellectually, rationally, or logically… please explain what makes me a “sub human”. I simply believe fellas like Cerebralsubversion could have a little more self-respect… it pains me to see them duped by eugenicist snake-oil salesmen. I’ll risk looking like an asshole if it makes just one person appreciate what they may take for granted.

  • NaturalSelection

    This is a fantastic idea but it does not go quite far enough: I like to imagine a world where every boy – the second he hits puberty and has his first wet dream – is taken to the hospital and makes several sperm donations to be put on ice…then, tie his tubes. Educate the hell out of him about STDs and then let him fuck his bloody brains out. Later on down the line, if he decides he is ready to grow up a little and wants to give parenting a try, he can apply for a license, just like everyone else: pass a parenting course, counseling, background checks into mental health and substance abuse. Ah yes, and he must be able to afford said child! Why would this be a bad thing? There would be no more unwanted pregnancies and no more abortion (except for extreme cases when the mother’s life might be at risk) This is important work and it has to start somewhere…

  • NaturalSelection

    This is a fantastic idea but it does not go quite far enough: I like to imagine a world where every boy – the second he hits puberty and has his first wet dream – is taken to the hospital and makes several sperm donations to be put on ice…then, tie his tubes. Educate the hell out of him about STDs and then let him fuck his bloody brains out. Later on down the line, if he decides he is ready to grow up a little and wants to give parenting a try, he can apply for a license, just like everyone else: pass a parenting course, counseling, background checks into mental health and substance abuse. Ah yes, and he must be able to afford said child! Why would this be a bad thing? There would be no more unwanted pregnancies and no more abortion (except for extreme cases when the mother’s life might be at risk) This is important work and it has to start somewhere…

  • NaturalSelection

    This is a fantastic idea but it does not go quite far enough: I like to imagine a world where every boy – the second he hits puberty and has his first wet dream – is taken to the hospital and makes several sperm donations to be put on ice…then, tie his tubes. Educate the hell out of him about STDs and then let him fuck his bloody brains out. Later on down the line, if he decides he is ready to grow up a little and wants to give parenting a try, he can apply for a license, just like everyone else: pass a parenting course, counseling, background checks into mental health and substance abuse. Ah yes, and he must be able to afford said child! Why would this be a bad thing? There would be no more unwanted pregnancies and no more abortion (except for extreme cases when the mother’s life might be at risk) This is important work and it has to start somewhere…

    • damg

      i basically said exactly the same thing twice.

      • NaturalSelection

        Oh, wow…just read your comments. I have been saying this for years now…it just seems to make the most sense and – as far as I can tell – it is a win-win-win-win situation: teenagers and young adults get to live their lives and make all of the other mistakes they are bound to make, hopefully learning lessons along the way, and will have that much more to share with and teach to a future child if and when they ever choose to go down that road; the kids win because their parents are going to be completely devoted to them; society wins because families are that much more stable and no one is unwanted; and the planet wins because we will have drastically reduced consumption of natural resources.

        • Haystack

          I’m sorry, sir. Our background check shows that you have been following a fringe culture website called Disinfo, where found pro-drug use and anti-government sentiments are frequently expressed.

          Your application to procreate has been denied.

          • damg

            thats funny! a little bit facetious though don’t you think? i mean, a full disclosure check would be necessary, but there would be no need for internet monitoring if the correct psychiatric evaluations were in place.

        • damg

          Not to mention the millions of children already IN the world, crying out for adoption.

          • NaturalSelection

            “Not to mention the millions of children already IN the world, crying out for adoption” Absolutely…they are yet another reason for why this idea – were it ever accepted willingly by the masses or turned into law and strictly enforced – would make sense: because you could – in theory – include a clause that says “All orphans MUST be adopted – immediately – before anyone else can even begin to think about procreating.” I have been encouraging my brother and sister-in-law to adopt from day one…it is the most humbling thing you could ever do, to look a kid in the eyes and say: “You did not ask to be here and neither did I, yet here we are. And while I did not bring you into this world, I am going to do everything within my power to make your stay here a little easier.” I am still in the selfish/learning stage of my life and am not yet ready to adopt because – once I do – that child is going to be my number-one priority.

          • Hadrian999

            once you try to adopt you will know why more people don’t

          • NaturalSelection

            PS: I am a gay man and nothing offends me more than when gay and lesbian couples spend thousands and thousands of dollars to create a new life in a laboratory when they could have aimed all of that time/effort/energy (oh yeah…and money!!!) towards a child that is already here, kicking and screaming. C’mon, my fellow fags: it is time to get your freak’n priorities “straight”, LOL :)

        • UR…

          To/Dear
          Mrpsychoface
          Mystic. realist
          NaturalSelection

          Maybe you should start a trend…Get rid of your laptop, give away your car and go live on a hill top eating only carrots and drinking rain water…Hypocrisy starts at home you know…obviously you don’t. People like Mr Turner are the real problem, he shovels shit and you eat it up like its penicillin and your diabetic…He is just says what he has to to make a buck if he really cared he would (and so would you) take my advice and start a trend… but NOOOOOOOO he is just gonna sit there and shovel shit with his good hypocritical friends. O yea and if you love the planet so much…DON’T HAVE KIDS…just you guys though because…well…you care sooooooooo much…don’t you?

          While I do not necessarily agree with these people at least there arguments seem to be thought out (that would be what happens when fear and stupidity are not mixed to come to a conclusion).
          Drewdini
          Liam_McGonagle
          MACK
          VoxMagi
          dbgvkj;

          But I must ask the ‘racial mixing’ bit, joke… right?

          It is not about rich or poor or how many kids you have. Its about how you choose to live your lives. If I have three kids and they have a smaller ‘ecological footprint’ (hate the term but I am well hung over) than your one, then really you should have had none. Clear, maybe not, but do you see the fallacy of your reasoning…if not then we all hope you would have been the second child in you world.

          You want to save the planet and be able to have a family that can look after you when you are old and infirm. That can love and care for each other when you are gone. Then here are a few suggestion…and suggestions are all they are… ultimately it is your choice…

          Recycle. Don’t drive EVER. Re-establish your connection with you garden or communal green fields. Fight for a fairer and fitter economy which does not rely on excess (maybe even resource base it). Educate your children (all one or twelve of them, its your CHOICE). Eat less. Don’t bye junk. Do not litter. Insulate your home. Do not chew gum. Do not drink bottle water.

          Filled in, I think so…

          • NaturalSelection

            All of the things that you mentioned in your last paragraph are great ideas: recycling, not driving*, education, etc. The question that must be asked is: even if all of these things were strictly enforced, would they be enough? I would agree that enforcing these things would be an excellent start, but probably won’t be enough in the long run if we want to not only survive but – dare I say it – thrive.

            Enforced population control and parental licensing are extreme measures…there is no denying it. But extreme situations/dilemmas must be met with equal force. Simply hoping that people are going to wake up and collectively do the right thing is a fantasy. Some people are lazy and stupid and need to be told what to do. They might resent it at first because it is different and new and scary…also, because they are being told they have to. Perfect example: I work with a bitch who refuses to recycle simply because it is company policy that – while in the building – you have to. She stood in front of a group of co-workers and proudly declared: “I am NOT going to do this because they can’t make me” and then proceeded to throw a plastic water bottle in the trash, even though there was a recycling bin right there. It took all of my self-control not to slap the living shit out of her. Instead, I took the high road and reported her. Guess what: now she recycles because she knows there will be serious repercussions if she does not. Again, sometimes willfully ignorant people have to be told what to do!

            Also, no one – as far as I am concerned – should EVER be allowed to have twelve biological children: one or two, fine. But if you can afford and still want more, then you should have to adopt. Once all of the orphans in the world have been adopted and you can still afford/want more, then you can apply for a special permit on a case-by-case basis. This just makes sense. You don’t have to like the logic but it is logic, nevertheless.

            *And – for whatever it is worth – I do not even have a driver’s license. This is why I live in a city where I can either walk or bike or take public transportation.

          • Mschulte31

            very good thoughts. americans are the most wasteful people on the planet. i try to recycle everything. i have a huge compost pile behind my garage and all my food waste, etc gets composted. i have a victory garden in my front lawn composted heavily. there is a mountain of free wood chips 3 miles from my house in idaho. i planted 60 trees last summer and i put wood chips around all of them. it keeps the ground moist and i do not have to water. i drive a hyundai car which gets 35 miles/gallon.i will plant another 60 trees next spring. i bought a 3 acre property across the st from me which was a junkyard. the local scap metal recycling company left 5 huge 25 dumpsters on this property and i filled them to the brim with scap metal, which has now been crushed and melted down into steel.

            in short we americans and everybody need to get back to the old fashioned values we had in the depression or this country will end up like the roman empire and every other empire. all the modern day slicksters and television pundits and politicians laugh at this kind of thinking and they are all narrow minded, short sighted idiots. unfortunately, they are running the country.

            one more thing: why can’t we go back to reuseable glass bottles like we did up into 1970.

    • yousuck

      Who the fuck do you think you are. Who the fuck gave you the right to decide how many children some has or if they even get to have them. Wake up you stupid sheep

      • Estebanbryan

        No yousuck.

      • Dsads

        If we as responsible humans don’t make the appropriate choices now, Mother Nature will make the choices later on, in a far more devastating way. Whether there are a bunch of people or not, everybody will end up enslaved if stupidity out-breeds rationality.

      • DirkMandelbrot

        Ted Turner has 5 children, but people like this always mean for other people, don’t they.

    • UR…

      Maybe you should start a trend…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UUSYUYXYP7HLASMWXH7FYH7CLM KenM

      Holy good god damn! anybody ever comes near mine or my families family jewels. I’m going after them with guns. Screw you, you Nazi. A one child policy would result only in massive male populations and not enough females to go around. So now you have man on man action growing rampant…… Maybe that is it, maybe you are gay and want forced man on man action. I do not know but screw you and the rest of your globalist gang.

  • damg

    i basically said exactly the same thing twice.

  • Nikk

    “We are the backwater rednecks of the multiverse.” Nice! :-)

  • NaturalSelection

    Oh, wow…just read your comments. I have been saying this for years now…it just seems to make the most sense and – as far as I can tell – it is a win-win-win-win situation: teenagers and young adults get to live their lives and make all of the other mistakes they are bound to make, hopefully learning lessons along the way, and will have that much more to share with and teach to a future child if and when they ever choose to go down that road; the kids win because their parents are going to be completely devoted to them; society wins because families are that much more stable and no one is unwanted; and the planet wins because we will have drastically reduced consumption of natural resources.

  • yousuck

    Who the fuck do you think you are. Who the fuck gave you the right to decide how many children some has or if they even get to have them. Wake up you stupid sheep

  • yousuck

    Who the fuck do you think you are. Who the fuck gave you the right to decide how many children some has or if they even get to have them. Wake up you stupid sheep

  • yousuck

    you are a fucking idiot. please end your life now. that child would be much better without you

  • yousuck

    All sheep must wake up. Of course he wants population control. it hard to control six billion minds. through population control there will be depopulation.

  • yousuck

    All sheep must wake up. Of course he wants population control. it hard to control six billion minds. through population control there will be depopulation.

    • dbgvkj;

      It’s easy to control people if they’re all fucking weak and starving and killing each other over scraps, and if you’re willing to feed the ones that keep people under control.

  • Drewdini

    You and your wife have Schizophrenia because overlords like Ted Turner buy stock in Pharmaceutical companies that misdiagnose you and profit off of medicating you until your dying day… not to mention you’ve subjected your brains to a steady diet of artificial/poisonous McDonalds etc.

    You have little respect for yourself or others. You view yourself as a spectacle, and so you must also view your wife as a spectacle. I bet she feels special.

    You feel that the responsibility of raising a family is too boring and unfulfilling. Ted Turner takes his superiority complex quite seriously, and therefore, has his way with you however he likes. You get Ted Turners rocks off, so to speak.

    It doesn’t bother me a great deal, other than, I wonder if anyone has done you the favor of explaining how ignorant you sound.

  • Drewdini

    exactly

  • Haystack

    I’m sorry, sir. Our background check shows that you have been following a fringe culture website called Disinfo, where found pro-drug use and anti-government sentiments are frequently expressed.

    Your application to procreate has been denied.

  • larmar

    Since Turner is the youngest of nine children, that one child policy wouldn’t have worked out too well for Ted.

  • larmar

    Since Turner is the youngest of nine children, that one child policy wouldn’t have worked out too well for Ted.

  • dbgvkj;

    It’s easy to control people if they’re all fucking weak and starving and killing each other over scraps, and if you’re willing to feed the ones that keep people under control.

  • damg

    thats funny! a little bit facetious though don’t you think? i mean, a full disclosure check would be necessary, but there would be no need for internet monitoring if the correct psychiatric evaluations were in place.

  • damg

    hate to sound defeatist/nihilistic here but your own government has basically defined the term “unconstitutional” on more than several occasions.
    And “Open Revolution”? in America in 2010? thats ridiculous. Britain is the same…i mean, look at how little people are bothered about the huge stuff! i always make jokes that the best way to kick start the revolution would be to stop making new television, turn off the internet, and make sure everyone’s iphones stop working. unfortunate but true. besides, “compulsory sterilization” – technically the correct term but it is only part of the plan. i just don’t see how giving every single human an equal chance to have children would be detrimental to the world. in fact, in my opinion the benefits far outweigh the negative aspects, which are almost purely sociological.

  • damg

    hahaha and you all thought i was sick!

  • damg

    Not to mention the millions of children already IN the world, crying out for adoption.

  • NaturalSelection

    “Not to mention the millions of children already IN the world, crying out for adoption” Absolutely…they are yet another reason for why this idea – were it ever accepted willingly by the masses or turned into law and strictly enforced – would make sense: because you could – in theory – include a clause that says “All orphans MUST be adopted – immediately – before anyone else can even begin to think about procreating.” I have been encouraging my brother and sister-in-law to adopt from day one…it is the most humbling thing you could ever do, to look a kid in the eyes and say: “You did not ask to be here and neither did I, yet here we are. And while I did not bring you into this world, I am going to do everything within my power to make your stay here a little easier.” I am still in the selfish/learning stage of my life and am not yet ready to adopt because – once I do – that child is going to be my number-one priority.

  • NaturalSelection

    PS: I am a gay man and nothing offends me more than when gay and lesbian couples spend thousands and thousands of dollars to create a new life in a laboratory when they could have aimed all of that time/effort/energy (oh yeah…and money!!!) towards a child that is already here, kicking and screaming. C’mon, my fellow fags: it is time to get your freak’n priorities “straight”, LOL :)

  • Hadrian999

    once you try to adopt you will know why more people don’t

  • Estebanbryan

    No yousuck.

  • Estebanbryan

    Shut up.

  • Estebanbryan

    I lost you at the end.

  • Mystic/realist

    My freaking hero, I’ll be with you on the fore front.

  • Mystic. realist

    How would you combat the population problem?, from what I understand almost every species on the planet and resorces are in decline. From what I under stand, humans are the majority of the problem. The last twenty years the poulation has about dubbeld right? This is a problem right? exspecialy with corperate ajenda leading the way.

  • Mystic realist

    Out of all the problems that there can posably be it boils down to people and their moral compass, how do we get the Jerry Springer out of the talks? We cant keep on the negitive aproach all the time, thats a fight not a soloution.

  • Mystic realist

    Out of all the problems that there can posably be it boils down to people and their moral compass, how do we get the Jerry Springer out of the talks? We cant keep on the negitive aproach all the time, thats a fight not a soloution.

  • Cokeninetimes

    So is our solution to these self-made problems to sanction future generations against the freedoms we enjoy? Now including siblings?
    If we’re going to pass this shithole of a planet to a new generation, they will notice it’s our fault, and they will not thank us for forcing arbitrary rules on them rather than changing our approach to living in a sustainable relationship with the earth. Ted Turner has jack shit to say right here.

  • Cokeninetimes

    So is our solution to these self-made problems to sanction future generations against the freedoms we enjoy? Now including siblings?
    If we’re going to pass this shithole of a planet to a new generation, they will notice it’s our fault, and they will not thank us for forcing arbitrary rules on them rather than changing our approach to living in a sustainable relationship with the earth. Ted Turner has jack shit to say right here.

  • Sharpie.

    Humanity is a virus as it is… we are consumers. we consume anything and everything around us. we produce nothing. of course overpopulation can and will happen. the success of our species is also our greatest fault. humanity and all life on earth will end with procreation. throwing our species pride out the window, is it really such a bad thing that humanity end?

    all things must come to an end, good and bad. existence in our mind is one of them. accept it, embrace it, and stop delaying the inevitable.

  • Sharpie.

    Humanity is a virus as it is… we are consumers. we consume anything and everything around us. we produce nothing. of course overpopulation can and will happen. the success of our species is also our greatest fault. humanity and all life on earth will end with procreation. throwing our species pride out the window, is it really such a bad thing that humanity end?

    all things must come to an end, good and bad. existence in our mind is one of them. accept it, embrace it, and stop delaying the inevitable.

  • Dsads

    If we as responsible humans don’t make the appropriate choices now, Mother Nature will make the choices later on, in a far more devastating way. Whether there are a bunch of people or not, everybody will end up enslaved if stupidity out-breeds rationality.

  • Yanks1022

    What we really should be doing is telling people how many kids they have based on their income levels. If they are poor they should have no kids because their kids won’t be as evolved as rich kids. And while we’re at it, we should eat the poor people to help control population, because poor people are bad for the world.

    • Andrew

      And everybody know poor people use more resources than the rich.

  • Yanks1022

    What we really should be doing is telling people how many kids they have based on their income levels. If they are poor they should have no kids because their kids won’t be as evolved as rich kids. And while we’re at it, we should eat the poor people to help control population, because poor people are bad for the world.

  • Andrew

    And everybody know poor people use more resources than the rich.

  • equalizer

    How about a no child policy instead?

  • equalizer

    How about a no child policy instead?

  • ANDYNEVSKY

    Ted Tuner has 5 f**ing kids!

  • ANDYNEVSKY

    Ted Tuner has 5 f**ing kids!

  • UR…

    Maybe you should start a trend…

  • UR…

    To/Dear
    Mrpsychoface
    Mystic. realist
    NaturalSelection

    Maybe you should start a trend…Get rid of your laptop, give away your car and go live on a hill top eating only carrots and drinking rain water…Hypocrisy starts at home you know…obviously you don’t. People like Mr Turner are the real problem, he shovels shit and you eat it up like its penicillin and your diabetic…He is just says what he has to to make a buck if he really cared he would (and so would you) take my advice and start a trend… but NOOOOOOOO he is just gonna sit there and shovel shit with his good hypocritical friends. O yea and if you love the planet so much…DON’T HAVE KIDS…just you guys though because…well…you care sooooooooo much…don’t you?

    While I do not necessarily agree with these people at least there arguments seem to be thought out (that would be what happens when fear and stupidity are not mixed to come to a conclusion).
    Drewdini
    Liam_McGonagle
    MACK
    VoxMagi
    dbgvkj;

    But I must ask the ‘racial mixing’ bit, joke… right?

    It is not about rich or poor or how many kids you have. Its about how you choose to live your lives. If I have three kids and they have a smaller ‘ecological footprint’ (hate the term but I am well hung over) than your one, then really you should have had none. Clear, maybe not, but do you see the fallacy of your reasoning…if not then we all hope you would have been the second child in you world.

    You want to save the planet and be able to have a family that can look after you when you are old and infirm. That can love and care for each other when you are gone. Then here are a few suggestion…and suggestions are all they are… ultimately it is your choice…

    Recycle. Don’t drive EVER. Re-establish your connection with you garden or communal green fields. Fight for a fairer and fitter economy which does not rely on excess (maybe even resource base it). Educate your children (all one or twelve of them, its your CHOICE). Eat less. Don’t bye junk. Do not litter. Insulate your home. Do not chew gum. Do not drink bottle water.

    Filled in, I think so…

  • Anonymous

    Some of you are new to forums/comment boxes so I offer this public service announcement.

    Drewdini is what we call a troll. It is sub human and should under no circumstances be engaged with intellectually, rationally, logically…..in fact just do not converse with it at all. Let it rant and rave and get it out of it’s system. This is what we call not “feeding the trolls”. Lack of attention kills them after a period of increased aggrivation at not getting the attention they so desperately seek.

    Use this information to your benefit and we can all have a happier world right there.

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  • http://chipandre.com Chip

    That’s because we have a much higher standard of living. The total resources available on earth are finite. You can spread them thin among billions of people, or you can give a much larger share to each member of a smaller population. Turner is just pointing out (correctly) that maybe we should start focusing on QUALITY of human life, instead of just quantity.

  • http://chipandre.com Chip

    That’s because we have a much higher standard of living. The total resources available on earth are finite. You can spread them thin among billions of people, or you can give a much larger share to each member of a smaller population. Turner is just pointing out (correctly) that maybe we should start focusing on QUALITY of human life, instead of just quantity.

  • http://chipandre.com Chip

    That’s because we have a much higher standard of living. The total resources available on earth are finite. You can spread them thin among billions of people, or you can give a much larger share to each member of a smaller population. Turner is just pointing out (correctly) that maybe we should start focusing on QUALITY of human life, instead of just quantity.

  • http://chipandre.com Chip

    That’s because we have a much higher standard of living. The total resources available on earth are finite. You can spread them thin among billions of people, or you can give a much larger share to each member of a smaller population. Turner is just pointing out (correctly) that maybe we should start focusing on QUALITY of human life, instead of just quantity.

  • http://chipandre.com Chip

    That’s because we have a much higher standard of living. The total resources available on earth are finite. You can spread them thin among billions of people, or you can give a much larger share to each member of a smaller population. Turner is just pointing out (correctly) that maybe we should start focusing on QUALITY of human life, instead of just quantity.

  • Anonymous

    “Overpopulation is not a myth.” You must not have been to Wyoming.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IQWEDG6PFI5Y64PGEBKYDSIDY Mark

    The guy who mentioned birth control in fast food isn’t far off the mark. Why do we reward irresponsible adults to have kids they can’t afford, can’t feed, and were very likely a side effect of just wanting to get laid? On a global level, clearly the problem of overpopulation is exploding in developing nations yet we continue to send massive amounts of aid to these countries. Free aid from Western countries adversely affects the ability of the people there to support themselves:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4671690.stm

    It has been over 25 years since Ethiopia’s (and Bob Geldof’s) famous Feed The World campaign, and in that time Ethiopia’s population has grown from 33.5 million to 78 million today. By 2050, it is projected to hit 177 million! I’m sorry but it is insane to have a nation greater than the size of Britain and Germany combined living in a protein-free desert completely dependent on outside aid to survive. If that source of aid ever gets disrupted, the massive die-off would be on a scale that has never been seen before.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IQWEDG6PFI5Y64PGEBKYDSIDY Mark

    The guy who mentioned birth control in fast food isn’t far off the mark. Why do we reward irresponsible adults to have kids they can’t afford, can’t feed, and were very likely a side effect of just wanting to get laid? On a global level, clearly the problem of overpopulation is exploding in developing nations yet we continue to send massive amounts of aid to these countries. Free aid from Western countries adversely affects the ability of the people there to support themselves:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4671690.stm

    It has been over 25 years since Ethiopia’s (and Bob Geldof’s) famous Feed The World campaign, and in that time Ethiopia’s population has grown from 33.5 million to 78 million today. By 2050, it is projected to hit 177 million! I’m sorry but it is insane to have a nation greater than the size of Britain and Germany combined living in a protein-free desert completely dependent on outside aid to survive. If that source of aid ever gets disrupted, the massive die-off would be on a scale that has never been seen before.

  • Andrew

    The problem isn’t overpopulation, it’s overconsumption of resources.

    In other words, the problem isn’t too many poor people, it’s too many rich people.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IQWEDG6PFI5Y64PGEBKYDSIDY Mark

      So…having 150 million people in a small landlocked African nation is no problem? No problem at all? Got it.

      http://allafrica.com/stories/200609050209.html

      • Andrew

        Since you’re talking about crowding, the problem is that the rich and powerful own and control too much land, not allowing the poor enough space.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IQWEDG6PFI5Y64PGEBKYDSIDY Mark

          Andrew, comparatively speaking, I’m sure you’re quite wealthy compared to the poor Ugandans. When they run out of room, can one small family of say, 20, share your apartment? Thanks bud – you’re a good guy.

          • Andrew

            My landlord, who’s wealthier than me, won’t allow it.

            See how it works?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IQWEDG6PFI5Y64PGEBKYDSIDY Mark

            Your landlord’s a smart guy.

          • Andrew

            For forcing poor Ugandans to stay in their small landlocked nation? I thought you were against that kind of stuff–you were criticizing it just a couple of days ago. I thought you wanted to help them. Tsk tsk. My opinion of you has fallen quite a bit.

  • Andrew

    The problem isn’t overpopulation, it’s overconsumption of resources.

    In other words, the problem isn’t too many poor people, it’s too many rich people.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IQWEDG6PFI5Y64PGEBKYDSIDY Mark

    So…having 150 million people in a small landlocked African nation is no problem? No problem at all? Got it.

    http://allafrica.com/stories/200609050209.html

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi
  • garuda

    Interesting you bring China’s economic need and factor in the world. They have had a one-child policy now for 15 years. Where are the top economic cities in the world now, mostly in China.

  • Andrew

    Since you’re talking about crowding, the problem is that the rich and powerful own and control too much land, not allowing the poor enough space.

  • NaturalSelection

    All of the things that you mentioned in your last paragraph are great ideas: recycling, not driving*, education, etc. The question that must be asked is: even if all of these things were strictly enforced, would they be enough? I would agree that enforcing these things would be an excellent start, but probably won’t be enough in the long run if we want to not only survive but – dare I say it – thrive.

    Enforced population control and parental licensing are extreme measures…there is no denying it. But extreme situations/dilemmas must be met with equal force. Simply hoping that people are going to wake up and collectively do the right thing is a fantasy. Some people are lazy and stupid and need to be told what to do. They might resent it at first because it is different and new and scary…also, because they are being told they have to. Perfect example: I work with a bitch who refuses to recycle simply because it is company policy that – while in the building – you have to. She stood in front of a group of co-workers and proudly declared: “I am NOT going to do this because they can’t make me” and then proceeded to throw a plastic water bottle in the trash, even though there was a recycling bin right there. It took all of my self-control not to slap the living shit out of her. Instead, I took the high road and reported her. Guess what: now she recycles because she knows there will be serious repercussions if she does not. Again, sometimes willfully ignorant people have to be told what to do!

    Also, no one – as far as I am concerned – should EVER be allowed to have twelve biological children: one or two, fine. But if you can afford and still want more, then you should have to adopt. Once all of the orphans in the world have been adopted and you can still afford/want more, then you can apply for a special permit on a case-by-case basis. This just makes sense. You don’t have to like the logic but it is logic, nevertheless.

    *And – for whatever it is worth – I do not even have a driver’s license. This is why I live in a city where I can either walk or bike or take public transportation.

  • that1guy

    For the people that liked this, you have been lied to by racists and xenophobes, at least on the mexico count. Mexico has one of the lower birthrates compared to other countries with similar per capita gdp, shit, compared to america. In fact, according to the world bank as of 2008, the total fertility rate in Mexico is the same as the total fertility rate in the US: 2.1.
    This relatively low lifetime average of births per female has to due in large part with historical limitations of clergy’s right to public and political discourse, which meant that in years past clergy could not get in the way of education efforts surrounding contraception.
    If you don’t look into the facts surrounding your opinions, you are the problem.

  • DirkMandelbrot

    Ted Turner has 5 children, but people like this always mean for other people, don’t they.

  • Unlockdean

    Globalists are always pointing the accusing finger and arguing population control rather than to take responsibility for the real problem which is the corporate theft of natural resources and the politics and special interests lobbying behind closed doors to assure their control. It is so much easier to control the people in mass if there are laws and the Big Brother operations which enforce them, and set up dictatorships who have no problem reducing their populations through mass murder. Henry Kissenger, David Rockefeller, and all the other Globalists whose agenda is to control the masses via de-population, including now Ted Turner should all be invited to a New Years eve cruise on the Titanic. The world would be saved from their schemes for saving the planet through wars and planned de-population. Their mad scientist are working in test tubes to discover even better methods to save the world from us

  • Unlockdean

    Globalists are always pointing the accusing finger and arguing population control rather than to take responsibility for the real problem which is the corporate theft of natural resources and the politics and special interests lobbying behind closed doors to assure their control. It is so much easier to control the people in mass if there are laws and the Big Brother operations which enforce them, and set up dictatorships who have no problem reducing their populations through mass murder. Henry Kissenger, David Rockefeller, and all the other Globalists whose agenda is to control the masses via de-population, including now Ted Turner should all be invited to a New Years eve cruise on the Titanic. The world would be saved from their schemes for saving the planet through wars and planned de-population. Their mad scientist are working in test tubes to discover even better methods to save the world from us

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IQWEDG6PFI5Y64PGEBKYDSIDY Mark

    lol – classic

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IQWEDG6PFI5Y64PGEBKYDSIDY Mark

    Andrew, comparatively speaking, I’m sure you’re quite wealthy compared to the poor Ugandans. When they run out of room, can one small family of say, 20, share your apartment? Thanks bud – you’re a good guy.

  • Andrew

    My landlord, who’s wealthier than me, won’t allow it.

    See how it works?

  • Liam_McGonagle

    1. What do you mean by ‘top economic cities’? What are your criteria? That’s not a standard term in economics–‘top economic city’. What is a ‘top economic city’?

    2. I think you should stop and read a bit before you go declaring China ‘economic heaven’–whatever that might mean. Wealth is so unfairly distributed that it seems a bit of a sham to call what China’s got going on a ‘success’ at all–except by comparison to the pitifully stupid paper-shufflin’ economies of the West. The most notable feature of wealth distribution in China is its high correlation to membership in the Communist party–hardly a paradigm of capitalist virtue.

    http://ftp.iza.org/dp2553.pdf

    3. If you think that China’s “success” is built on anything more than a skillfully state coordinated play of dumbass Western biases against actually makin’ shit, you’re kidding yourself. It’s all driven by cheap labor and export–China has very weak internal markets. As a percentage of GDP, individuals’ incomes are less than 1/2 of that in the U.S.

    http://biz.zeenews.com/news/news_content.aspx?newscatid=5&newsid=17713

    4. But even a draconian, state-enforced adherence to manipulation of our own Western biases towards greed and stupidity can’t save them in the long run. They are looking forward to peaking of their own labor makrets within the next 15 years or so, brought on by the 1-child policy. You should really peruse the literature now and again.

    http://www.wikinvest.com/concept/China's_Aging_Population

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/30/world/asia/30aging.html

    So I’d avise folks to get over the fantasy that China’s hit the magic jackpot; they’re vulnerable, too.

  • Drewdini

    I’m especially desperate for attention from you JaiGuru. If you change your mind about engaging me intellectually, rationally, or logically… please explain what makes me a “sub human”. I simply believe fellas like Cerebralsubversion could have a little more self-respect… it pains me to see them duped by eugenicist snake-oil salesmen. I’ll risk looking like an asshole if it makes just one person appreciate what they may take for granted.

  • Clintoncladj

    Thats why all of our govt wants to get the country back to work. Work means mass labor for less

  • Clintoncladj

    Thats why all of our govt wants to get the country back to work. Work means mass labor for less

  • Clintoncladj

    Thats why all of our govt wants to get the country back to work. Work means mass labor for less

  • Clintoncladj

    Thats why all of our govt wants to get the country back to work. Work means mass labor for less

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Well, that’s a pretty big statement.

    But if you mean to say that the current economic paradigm forces line workers to accept continued reductions in their standards of living, that’s undoubtedly true. I’ve seen lots of shit to that effect in the literature, but now that I’m doing a deeper dive into tax policy re: this latest millionaire giveaway, it just keeps getting thrown into sharper and sharper reflief.

    http://dystopiadiaries.blogspot.com/2010/12/whats-difference-between-greatest.html

    Table 2, towards the end of that post, shows the elite, richest tax filers receiving about 150% as much benefit of tax regime changes since 1965 as did the median filer. This wealth-redistribution trend just keeps giving the rich a bigger and bigger club to pound the shit out of workers with, and destroy their bargaining leverage in wage negotiations.

    But I’m sure the actual situation’s even worse, when you consider that a much larger proportion of the uber-rich’s net worth is comprised of capital assets like stocks and bonds–the vast majority of those assets’ values don’t even hit the tax radar until they’re sold.

    That’s why I’m almost certain that any solution to getting rid of the deficit, and altering the dynamic of financial markets in a way that gets capital flowing again into the real economy is going to include some kind of property tax on large securities’ holdings. I want to do a bit more research before I get more specific than that, but it does form part of the policy platform that I’m articulating here:

    http://dystopiadiaries.blogspot.com/p/policy-directions.html

    That’s the basic policy direction, and the macro-picture seems chrystal clear to me. There’s no freakin’ way the stock market can be anything but a capital hoarding mechanism, with the Dow going over 11,000 and unemployment actually increasing last report.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IQWEDG6PFI5Y64PGEBKYDSIDY Mark

    Your landlord’s a smart guy.

  • Andrew

    For forcing poor Ugandans to stay in their small landlocked nation? I thought you were against that kind of stuff–you were criticizing it just a couple of days ago. I thought you wanted to help them. Tsk tsk. My opinion of you has fallen quite a bit.

  • Kalokane

    Start with the Rednecks and Muslims

  • Kalokane

    Start with the Rednecks and Muslims

  • Fiberflex

    save the planet… kill yourself.

  • Fiberflex

    save the planet… kill yourself.

  • Fiberflex

    save the planet… kill yourself.

  • Mschulte31

    very good thoughts. americans are the most wasteful people on the planet. i try to recycle everything. i have a huge compost pile behind my garage and all my food waste, etc gets composted. i have a victory garden in my front lawn composted heavily. there is a mountain of free wood chips 3 miles from my house in idaho. i planted 60 trees last summer and i put wood chips around all of them. it keeps the ground moist and i do not have to water. i drive a hyundai car which gets 35 miles/gallon.i will plant another 60 trees next spring. i bought a 3 acre property across the st from me which was a junkyard. the local scap metal recycling company left 5 huge 25 dumpsters on this property and i filled them to the brim with scap metal, which has now been crushed and melted down into steel.

    in short we americans and everybody need to get back to the old fashioned values we had in the depression or this country will end up like the roman empire and every other empire. all the modern day slicksters and television pundits and politicians laugh at this kind of thinking and they are all narrow minded, short sighted idiots. unfortunately, they are running the country.

    one more thing: why can’t we go back to reuseable glass bottles like we did up into 1970.

  • Hadrian999

    using rationality to understand us public policy or the reaction to it is your first mistake.
    anything that the religious right could use to drum up religious mania in any way will be used,
    those people get wierder every day.

  • One-Child-Policy-FTW

    ahaha, i agree, last paragraph made me laugh soo much!

  • One-Child-Policy-FTW

    My ideal world: one child policy or taxation of having a child, extermination of obese people (they are an incredible strain on the economy), re-establishment of green land, remove all child benefits. Crazy but I think it might just be a solution…
    P.s NaturalSelection is a HERO lol and i love his idea!

  • One-Child-Policy-FTW

    My ideal world: one child policy or taxation of having a child, extermination of obese people (they are an incredible strain on the economy), re-establishment of green land, remove all child benefits. Crazy but I think it might just be a solution…
    P.s NaturalSelection is a HERO lol and i love his idea!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UUSYUYXYP7HLASMWXH7FYH7CLM KenM

    Holy good god damn! anybody ever comes near mine or my families family jewels. I’m going after them with guns. Screw you, you Nazi. A one child policy would result only in massive male populations and not enough females to go around. So now you have man on man action growing rampant…… Maybe that is it, maybe you are gay and want forced man on man action. I do not know but screw you and the rest of your globalist gang.

  • jim

       I’m with you Ted! Let’s save the planet and the human race. For the record I don’t have any children.

  • jim

       I’m with you Ted! Let’s save the planet and the human race. For the record I don’t have any children.

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