WikiLeaker Bradley Manning’s Brutal Detention

manningHere’s what America has in store whistle-blowers — Despite not being charged with a crime, 22-year-old Army private and alleged WikiLeaker Bradley Manning has spent the past seventh months imprisoned under some of the most extreme, brutal conditions possible: total isolation for 23 hours a day, every day, while being dosed with antidepressants to prevent his mind from snapping. Salon takes a look at Bradley’s background and his current fate, which it says is undoubtedly torture:

Bradley Manning, the 22-year-old U.S. Army Private accused of leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks, has never been convicted of that crime, nor of any other crime. Despite that, he has been detained at the U.S. Marine brig in Quantico, Virginia for five months — and for two months before that in a military jail in Kuwait — under conditions that constitute cruel and inhumane treatment and, by the standards of many nations, even torture.

Interviews with several people directly familiar with the conditions of Manning’s detention, ultimately including a Quantico brig official (Lt. Brian Villiard) who confirmed much of what they conveyed, establishes that the accused leaker is subjected to detention conditions likely to create long-term psychological injuries.

Since his arrest in May, Manning has been a model detainee, without any episodes of violence or disciplinary problems. He nonetheless was declared from the start to be a “Maximum Custody Detainee,” the highest and most repressive level of military detention, which then became the basis for the series of inhumane measures imposed on him.

From the beginning of his detention, Manning has been held in intensive solitary confinement. For 23 out of 24 hours every day — for seven straight months and counting — he sits completely alone in his cell. Even inside his cell, his activities are heavily restricted; he’s barred even from exercising and is under constant surveillance to enforce those restrictions. For reasons that appear completely punitive, he’s being denied many of the most basic attributes of civilized imprisonment, including even a pillow or sheets for his bed (he is not and never has been on suicide watch). For the one hour per day when he is freed from this isolation, he is barred from accessing any news or current events programs. Lt. Villiard protested that the conditions are not “like jail movies where someone gets thrown into the hole,” but confirmed that he is in solitary confinement, entirely alone in his cell except for the one hour per day he is taken out.

In sum, Manning has been subjected for many months without pause to inhumane, personality-erasing, soul-destroying, insanity-inducing conditions of isolation similar to those perfected at America’s Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado: all without so much as having been convicted of anything. And as is true of many prisoners subjected to warped treatment of this sort, the brig’s medical personnel now administer regular doses of anti-depressants to Manning to prevent his brain from snapping from the effects of this isolation.

Just by itself, the type of prolonged solitary confinement to which Manning has been subjected for many months is widely viewed around the world as highly injurious, inhumane, punitive, and arguably even a form of torture. In his widely praised March, 2009 New Yorker article — entitled “Is Long-Term Solitary Confinement Torture?” — the surgeon and journalist Atul Gawande assembled expert opinion and personal anecdotes to demonstrate that, as he put it, “all human beings experience isolation as torture.” By itself, prolonged solitary confinement routinely destroys a person’s mind and drives them into insanity. A March, 2010 article in The Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law explains that “solitary confinement is recognized as difficult to withstand; indeed, psychological stressors such as isolation can be as clinically distressing as physical torture.”

Manning is barred from communicating with any reporters, even indirectly, so nothing he has said can be quoted here. But David House, a 23-year-old MIT researcher who befriended Manning after his detention (and then had his laptops, camera and cellphone seized by Homeland Security when entering the U.S.) is one of the few people to have visited Manning several times at Quantico. He describes palpable changes in Manning’s physical appearance and behavior just over the course of the several months that he’s been visiting him. Like most individuals held in severe isolation, Manning sleeps much of the day, is particularly frustrated by the petty, vindictive denial of a pillow or sheets, and suffers from less and less outdoor time as part of his one-hour daily removal from his cage.

The plight of Manning has largely been overshadowed by the intense media fixation on WikiLeaks, so it’s worth underscoring what it is that he’s accused of doing and what he said in his own reputed words about these acts. If one believes the authenticity of the highly edited chat logs of Manning’s online conversations with Adrian Lamo that have been released by Wired (that magazine inexcusably continues to conceal large portions of those logs), Manning clearly believed that he was a whistle-blower acting with the noblest of motives, and probably was exactly that. If, for instance, he really is the leaker of the Apache helicopter attack video — a video which sparked very rare and much-needed realization about the visceral truth of what American wars actually entail — as well as the war and diplomatic cables revealing substantial government deceit, brutality, illegality and corruption, then he’s quite similar to Daniel Ellsberg.

To see why that’s so, just recall some of what Manning purportedly said about why he chose to leak, at least as reflected in the edited chat logs published by Wired:

Lamo: what’s your endgame plan, then?. . .

Manning: well, it was forwarded to [WikiLeaks] – and god knows what happens now – hopefully worldwide discussion, debates, and reforms – if not, than [sic] we’re doomed – as a species – i will officially give up on the society we have if nothing happens – the reaction to the video gave me immense hope; CNN’s iReport was overwhelmed; Twitter exploded – people who saw, knew there was something wrong . . . Washington Post sat on the video… David Finkel acquired a copy while embedded out here. . . . – i want people to see the truth… regardless of who they are… because without information, you cannot make informed decisions as a public.

if i knew then, what i knew now – kind of thing, or maybe im just young, naive, and stupid . . . im hoping for the former – it cant be the latter – because if it is… were fucking screwed (as a society) – and i dont want to believe that we’re screwed.

Manning described the incident which first made him seriously question the U.S. Government: when he was instructed to work on the case of Iraqi “insurgents” who had been detained for distributing so-called “insurgent” literature which, when Manning had it translated, turned out to be nothing more than “a scholarly critique against PM Maliki”:

i had an interpreter read it for me… and when i found out that it was a benign political critique titled “Where did the money go?” and following the corruption trail within the PM’s cabinet… i immediately took that information and *ran* to the officer to explain what was going on… he didn’t want to hear any of it… he told me to shut up and explain how we could assist the FPs in finding *MORE* detainees…

i had always questioned the things worked, and investigated to find the truth… but that was a point where i was a *part* of something… i was actively involved in something that i was completely against…

And Manning explained why he never considered the thought of selling this classified information to a foreign nation for substantial profit or even just secretly transmitting it to foreign powers, as he easily could have done:

Manning: i mean what if i were someone more malicious- i could’ve sold to russia or china, and made bank?

Lamo: why didn’t you?

Manning: because it’s public data

Lamo: i mean, the cables

Manning: it belongs in the public domain -information should be free – it belongs in the public domain – because another state would just take advantage of the information… try and get some edge – if its out in the open… it should be a public good.

That’s a whistleblower in the purest and most noble form: discovering government secrets of criminal and corrupt acts and then publicizing them to the world not for profit, not to give other nations an edge, but to trigger “worldwide discussion, debates, and reforms.” Given how much Manning has been demonized — at the same time that he’s been rendered silent by the ban on his communication with any media — it’s worthwhile to keep all of that in mind.

But ultimately, what one thinks of Manning’s alleged acts is irrelevant to the issue here. The U.S. ought at least to abide by minimal standards of humane treatment in how it detains him. That’s true for every prisoner, at all times. But departures from such standards are particularly egregious where, as here, the detainee has merely been accused, but never convicted, of wrongdoing. These inhumane conditions make a mockery of Barack Obama’s repeated pledge to end detainee abuse and torture, as prolonged isolation — exacerbated by these other deprivations — is at least as damaging, as violative of international legal standards, and almost as reviled around the world, as the waterboard, hypothermia and other Bush-era tactics that caused so much controversy.

What all of this achieves is clear. Having it known that the U.S. could and would disappear people at will to “black sites,” assassinate them with unseen drones, imprison them for years without a shred of due process even while knowing they were innocent, torture them mercilessly, and in general acts as a lawless and rogue imperial power created a climate of severe intimidation and fear. Who would want to challenge the U.S. Government in any way — even in legitimate ways — knowing that it could and would engage in such lawless, violent conduct without any restraints or repercussions?

That is plainly what is going on here. Anyone remotely affiliated with WikiLeaks, including American citizens (and plenty of other government critics), has their property seized and communications stored at the border without so much as a warrant. Julian Assange — despite never having been charged with, let alone convicted of, any crime — has now spent more than a week in solitary confinement with severe restrictions under what his lawyer calls “Dickensian conditions.” But Bradley Manning has suffered much worse, and not for a week, but for seven months, with no end in sight. If you became aware of secret information revealing serious wrongdoing, deceit and/or criminality on the part of the U.S. Government, would you — knowing that you could and likely would be imprisoned under these kinds of repressive, torturous conditions for months on end without so much as a trial: just locked away by yourself 23 hours a day without recourse — be willing to expose it? That’s the climate of fear and intimidation which these inhumane detention conditions are intended to create.

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  • Anonymous

    Why isn’t anything happening to free him, other than a few facebook groups and protestors???

    He needs to be got out asap..

  • Anonymous

    Why isn’t anything happening to free him, other than a few facebook groups and protestors???

    He needs to be got out asap..

    • Hadrian999

      on what grounds do you think they could free him, he’ll be lucky if he isn’t charged with treason.
      people may like what he did, but that doesn’t change the fact that what he did was a crime or that the government will want to send a strong message to anyone else thinking about leaking documents. there is no bail in the UCMJ but trials are supposed to happen within 120 days which has passed but I wouldn’t get my hopes up, they could probably get around that by using the national security excuse.
      he is screwed, thanks to adrian lamo

      • ohuknow

        snitches get stitches

        • 5by5

          lame comment, ohuknow.

          • Tuna Ghost

            pretty accurate in this case, unfortunately. Shit he’ll get stitches if he’s lucky. What’s the penalty for treason during a war time, again?

          • ohuknow

            Maybe so, but I think you misunderstood.

        • Cuntlike

          you are a child

    • Cuntlike

      anonymous> you know damn well what you can do.

  • Hadrian999

    on what grounds do you think they could free him, he’ll be lucky if he isn’t charged with treason.
    people may like what he did, but that doesn’t change the fact that what he did was a crime or that the government will want to send a strong message to anyone else thinking about leaking documents. there is no bail in the UCMJ but trials are supposed to happen within 120 days which has passed but I wouldn’t get my hopes up, they could probably get around that by using the national security excuse.
    he is screwed, thanks to adam lamo

  • E.B. Wolf

    I’m surprised he hasn’t already “commited suicide.”

  • E.B. Wolf

    I’m surprised he hasn’t already “commited suicide.”

    • Tuna Ghost

      Well treason in wartime is still punishable by the death penalty, which I’m sure he was well aware of, so technically…

      • adam

        The problem here is that he has not been charged with any crime but is being held as if he were.

        • Tuna Ghost

          He’s in the military. They can hold him however and whenever and for how ever long they please. He does not have the rights you have in a criminal court.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ANF7LNEJI5SK6R36WJ4TANONDM Eyes Only

            Patriot act…

          • Vaston

            Please tell me that you think that it is an evil law….

            Who wrote the bill? Joe Biden in 1997.
            Who passed the bill? Our Representatives in DC.
            How long does the bill last? Til ’05 when it was renewed by Congress
            How long did that one last? Til PRESIDENT OBAMA SIGNED IT AGAIN ON FEB 27, 2010.

          • MagicOrbitDV

            Some Democratic government.

          • Tuna Ghost

            It’s the nature of the US military. Its probably the same for most militaries all over the world. Shit, in some countries this kid would have been executed without any kind of a trial days after he was discovered.

          • Vaston

            We aren’t a Democracy, we are a Republic, rule of law.

          • Andrew

            The U.S. is no longer a nation of laws.

          • cdoll

            and that’s what’s so messed up about it all..

          • Urdaddy

            Obviously, you’ve never heard of the UCMJ. But please, don’t let your ignorance stop you from making stupid comments.

          • Tuna Ghost

            There is nothing in the UCMJ that suggests that he has the rights that you and I have in a civil trial, or that what the military is doing is in violation of its own regulations. Seeing as how you haven’t supplied any actual information, I’m going to assume you don’t actually know what is and is not part of the UCMJ and that you are simply trying to score points on a message board. Take your pleasures where you can find them, I guess.

          • Peepe1

            Obviously that is the truth.. but WHY, OH WHY does anybody in US serve in military “because everyone of them can be prisoned however and whenever and for how ever long .. without any rights” :D What the hell.. do something else.. farming, sports, art etc.. Do they pay so much in the army that you can so easily sell your basic rights?

      • Newt

        Hey, there’s his angle then – we’re not actually at war. Not with Iraq, not with Afghanistan. No declaration, no stated enemy. Not at war. Interesting how we’ve been “not at war” for like 10 years and trillions of dollars now, isn’t it?

        Not sure what the punishment for “treason during non-declared military action” is, but…

      • Peepe1

        well.. US is ALWAYS in wartime ;O)

  • ohuknow

    snitches get stitches

  • Lucy

    Bradley Manning is not a normal US citizen, he is in the military, and when your in the military THEY OWN YOUR ASS. The day he signed his papers he was accepting the chance that he might get sent to that Brigg if he broke military rules, which he certainly did. I have tons of sympathy for this guy and think he did a great thing, but lets not forget the real situation, the military can and will do whatever they want with him. He sold his soul.

    -a US veteran

  • Lucy

    Bradley Manning is not a normal US citizen, he is in the military, and when your in the military THEY OWN YOUR ASS. The day he signed his papers he was accepting the chance that he might get sent to that Brigg if he broke military rules, which he certainly did. I have tons of sympathy for this guy and think he did a great thing, but lets not forget the real situation, the military can and will do whatever they want with him. He sold his soul.

    -a US veteran

  • MrPink

    That man made a sacrifice, God Bless him. Wrong or right this war needs to stop and so do the fucking people in charge turning a blind eye to evil doing. No mater what we do when we leave that country we will have too much blood on our hands to ever be forgiven. I guarantee we have made more terrorists because of this war than we ever have. In 10 20 years time those poor kids watching evil things happen to their family will grow up with a deep hatred for Americans and most likely will stop at nothing to destroy as many of us as possible. God help us. I do believe there are some things that people should never know about inside governments, but some of these things should be made widley public and if it helps getting pieces of shit out of the office they hold, then so be it. In war sometimes you have to let the devil drive but dont let him keep the keys.

  • MrPink

    That man made a sacrifice, God Bless him. Wrong or right this war needs to stop and so do the fucking people in charge turning a blind eye to evil doing. No mater what we do when we leave that country we will have too much blood on our hands to ever be forgiven. I guarantee we have made more terrorists because of this war than we ever have. In 10 20 years time those poor kids watching evil things happen to their family will grow up with a deep hatred for Americans and most likely will stop at nothing to destroy as many of us as possible. God help us. I do believe there are some things that people should never know about inside governments, but some of these things should be made widley public and if it helps getting pieces of shit out of the office they hold, then so be it. In war sometimes you have to let the devil drive but dont let him keep the keys.

    • Cuntlike

      yes we will have more terrorists you are right, which is exactly what the arms dealers, munitions suppliers, etc etc want.

      the war on terror is an oxymoron. a fucking oxymoron…

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Every so often someone still in possession of their soul finds themselves aware of how things really work…and it looks a great deal like Terry Gilliam’s “Brazil” when they do. Manning got an eye full of how things work and what really transpires from day to day…and, being in possession of a shred of humanity, saw that it was horrifyingly wrong and did something about it, not for profit…not for nationalism or revenge…but for hope. This is why he should be applauded instead of tormented.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Every so often someone still in possession of their soul finds themselves aware of how things really work…and it looks a great deal like Terry Gilliam’s “Brazil” when they do. Manning got an eye full of how things work and what really transpires from day to day…and, being in possession of a shred of humanity, saw that it was horrifyingly wrong and did something about it, not for profit…not for nationalism or revenge…but for hope. This is why he should be applauded instead of tormented.

    • Hadrian999

      I applaud him and admire him, but I don’t see this ending well for him.

  • Hadrian999

    I applaud him and admire him, but I don’t see this ending well for him.

  • Haystack

    Are you kidding? That Bradley Manning is a KILLER. I wouldn’t be surprised if he burrows a tunnel through the prison walls with a Lady Gaga CD shard.

    • ScarabDrowner

      You’ve got a bit of a point. He is in the US Army, and in the Army we’re sorta trained to be killers (depends on your MOS really).

  • Haystack

    Are you kidding? That Bradley Manning is a KILLER. I wouldn’t be surprised if he burrows a tunnel through the prison walls with a Lady Gaga CD shard.

  • Tchoutoye

    Obviously the guy is a hero. What he did takes courage, in his position even more so than Assange. But I don’t understand why he confided with a stranger on chat. First lesson for radicals: keep your actions to yourself, resist the urge to brag about your successes.

    • 5by5

      Actually, he did keep his mouth shut, in order to get his data out to the world, this kid, who is NOT a computer expert, turned to some hacker dude, and it was the hacker who ratted him out. He never bragged about it. He simply found information that violated his conscience and so he did something about it.

      Now as to whether he signed up for the treatment he’s receiving now, the answer is absolutely NOT. 23 hours of solitary? We’re not even supposed to treat the enemy that way, much less a soldier that’s been accused, but not even convicted of a crime.

    • Noone

      Obviously, Manning is a traitor. What he did is betray his oath to the United States of America and every American Citizen. Radicals? What a friggin joke. Seriously, radicals? More like pussies.

      • Andrew

        Yeah, real bravery is unthinking, amoral obedience.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously the guy is a hero. What he did takes courage, in his position even more so than Assange. But I don’t understand why he confided with a stranger on chat. First lesson for radicals: keep your actions to yourself, resist the urge to brag about your successes.

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  • Obnoxiouslyobnoxiousname

    Are you serious? Are his conditions almost unlivable? Absolutely, but that’s what he agreed to when he signed a contract in the first place. Anyone whose ever bothered to read they contract they sign when they join the US military knows exactly what they’re getting into, and if they don’t then they’re certainly ignorant enough to the nature of their employment that social Darwinism isn’t entirely unwarranted in their case. I’m upset because I leaked top secret information over the internet? Boohooo, that’s technically treason, and he’s lucky to get off so well given the highly publicized nature of his behavior. If you people knew the half of what’s done at night so that you can sleep safely you’d suffer from entirely involuntarily varrying between equal parts crying, and vomiting. What part of freedom isn’t free is particularly unclear? As gut wrenchingly cliche as it indeed it is, it never the less carries with it the smallest grains of truth. War isn’t pretty, but anyone whose studied, even in the slightest and most passing of ways, understands full well the folly of not only, committing yourself to a war you can’t fully win, but also pulling out once you’ve already over invested yourself in the conflict.
    We enjoy the freedom to mock, and derry upon ourselves precisely because of the clandestine and often times, to the average observer, questionable behavior of that 1% who forgo much more lucrative and financially rewarding careers in favor of being judged by those who do not. Anyone who thinks the meteoric rise to a place of prominence within the global community, that the United States has enjoyed over the last 60 years has been based on anything other than clandestine, and questionable operations, and most often in the best interests of the American public, lives in a willfully ignorant bubble of bliss. Every state played against another on the global stage in the name of whatever ephemeral concept was trendy that year has been done so almost entirely so that you can wear name brand products, drive comparatively expensive cars(retail, and not in terms of actual taxation upon the licensee), and either work, or as so many of you do, enjoy the fruits of your parents labors while simultaneously criticizing the government. If you really want to criticize the way the government does business either stop doing through mediums of technology pioneered in defense of a war effort that is very necessary in order to maintain your standard of living, or START questioning your lifestyle. Neither is necessarily the incorrect choice, though choosing neither certainly is.

    Let the flaming begin.

    • Tuna Ghost

      His conditions are quite believable, and you are correct: committing treason in war times is going to get to in a really big pile of shit very quickly, one you won’t get out of for some time. Doesn’t mean we can’t empathize with the poor guy.

      You’re quite right, technological innovation comes largely from groups working for the military, which is why they get all the cool stuff a decade before it hits the market. Our standard of living is directly tied to our military.

    • burnpits&burgerkings

      “If you people knew”…knew what? Knew how citizens and communities could possibly lead richer lives without subsidizing the death industry as a corrupt substitute for progress? How can citizens be in a ‘willfully’ ignorant bubble if there’s apparently half of the information purposely kept from its benefactors? The federal government also built the insterstate highway, used for travel to Washington, DC, to end another War cloaked in decades of secrecy. One’s charge of technical treason is another’s fight for justice. Who is right? Time will tell.

    • MagicOrbitDV

      SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THE DEVIL?

    • The Truth Hurts

      I agree with every single word you type. You, sir, receive a standing ovation from me.

  • Obnoxiouslyobnoxiousname

    Are you serious? Are his conditions almost unlivable? Absolutely, but that’s what he agreed to when he signed a contract in the first place. Anyone whose ever bothered to read they contract they sign when they join the US military knows exactly what they’re getting into, and if they don’t then they’re certainly ignorant enough to the nature of their employment that social Darwinism isn’t entirely unwarranted in their case. I’m upset because I leaked top secret information over the internet? Boohooo, that’s technically treason, and he’s lucky to get off so well given the highly publicized nature of his behavior. If you people knew the half of what’s done at night so that you can sleep safely you’d suffer from entirely involuntarily varrying between equal parts crying, and vomiting. What part of freedom isn’t free is particularly unclear? As gut wrenchingly cliche as it indeed it is, it never the less carries with it the smallest grains of truth. War isn’t pretty, but anyone whose studied, even in the slightest and most passing of ways, understands full well the folly of not only, committing yourself to a war you can’t fully win, but also pulling out once you’ve already over invested yourself in the conflict.
    We enjoy the freedom to mock, and derry upon ourselves precisely because of the clandestine and often times, to the average observer, questionable behavior of that 1% who forgo much more lucrative and financially rewarding careers in favor of being judged by those who do not. Anyone who thinks the meteoric rise to a place of prominence within the global community, that the United States has enjoyed over the last 60 years has been based on anything other than clandestine, and questionable operations, and most often in the best interests of the American public, lives in a willfully ignorant bubble of bliss. Every state played against another on the global stage in the name of whatever ephemeral concept was trendy that year has been done so almost entirely so that you can wear name brand products, drive comparatively expensive cars(retail, and not in terms of actual taxation upon the licensee), and either work, or as so many of you do, enjoy the fruits of your parents labors while simultaneously criticizing the government. If you really want to criticize the way the government does business either stop doing through mediums of technology pioneered in defense of a war effort that is very necessary in order to maintain your standard of living, or START questioning your lifestyle. Neither is necessarily the incorrect choice, though choosing neither certainly is.

    Let the flaming begin.

  • Slickdik2005

    Like many a young person I ‘ m sure he joined the military to protect and honor his country, not cover up for a abunch of psychotic assholes. Some of you on here think that joining the military means abandoning your humanity . You people disgust me and I dont wanna hear how I’m being protected from the terrorists as that is a crock. It is no wonder America is decaying at the rate it is with the majority of citizens being scared , ignorant, blind, sheep.

    • 5by5

      In fact, under the military code of justice, you’re SUPPOSED to refuse to obey to any order that violates your conscience, or is a violation of the law.

      I would argue that this kid was following the rules, not breaking them. He was merely revealing who was breaking them.

      • Hadrian999

        I have to disagree with you about disobeying an order based on your conscience, soldiers have a clear duty to disobey an unlawful order, but allowing personal choice to conscience is no where in the ucmj, if it were it would make the position of Lt. Col Birther defensible. I believe Spc Manning made a moral decision, sadly morality and legality aren’t close friends.

        this is a quote from a discussion about lawful orders http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/ucmj-disobeying-orders-at-ones-own-risk/

        Rockwood, 48 M.J. at 506 (quoting Dinsman v. Wilkes, 53 U.S. (12 How.) 390, 403, 13 L.Ed. 1036 (Dec. Term, 1851)) (emphasis added) (footnote omitted).

        Unless the order requires an obviously illegal act, or is obviously beyond the issuers authority, the servicemember will obey the order:

        Where the order is apparently regular and lawful on its face, he is not to go behind it to satisfy himself that his superior has proceeded with authority, but is to obey it according to its terms, the only exceptions recognized to the rule of obedience being cases of orders so manifestly beyond the legal power or discretion of the commander as to admit of no rational doubt of their unlawfulness.

        • MagicOrbitDV

          gobbledygook

    • Newt

      I have to be honest with you; you can either be “not ignorant” or “not scared,” but if you have even general idea of the direction we’re heading in over the next 50 years, “Aware and Scared Shitless” is the pretty much the inevitable outcome of even the boldest of rational men.

      You can see what telling the truth has earned Lt. Manning. This guy’s only 22, all he did was allow the truth to be published, and for this he will be tortured, vilified, and ostracized like few people alive can even conceive of.

      In other words: We hate the truth.

  • Slickdik2005

    Like many a young person I ‘ m sure he joined the military to protect and honor his country, not cover up for a abunch of psychotic assholes. Some of you on here think that joining the military means abandoning your humanity . You people disgust me and I dont wanna hear how I’m being protected from the terrorists as that is a crock. It is no wonder America is decaying at the rate it is with the majority of citizens being scared , ignorant, blind, sheep.

  • 5by5

    Actually, he did keep his mouth shut, in order to get his data out to the world, this kid, who is NOT a computer expert, turned to some hacker dude, and it was the hacker who ratted him out. He never bragged about it. He simply found information that violated his conscience and so he did something about it.

    Now as to whether he signed up for the treatment he’s receiving now, the answer is absolutely NOT. 23 hours of solitary? We’re not even supposed to treat the enemy that way, much less a soldier that’s been accused, but not even convicted of a crime.

  • 5by5

    In fact, under the military code of justice, you’re SUPPOSED to refuse to obey to any order that violates your conscience, or is a violation of the law.

    I would argue that this kid was following the rules, not breaking them. He was merely revealing who was breaking them.

  • 5by5

    lame comment, ohuknow.

  • Hadrian999

    I have to disagree with you about disobeying an order based on your conscience, soldiers have a clear duty to disobey an unlawful order, but allowing personal choice to conscience is no where in the ucmj, if it were it would make the position of Lt. Col Birther defensible.

  • Tuna Ghost

    His conditions are quite believable, and you are correct: committing treason in war times is going to get to in a really big pile of shit very quickly, one you won’t get out of for some time. Doesn’t mean we can’t empathize with the poor guy.

    You’re quite right, technological innovation comes largely from groups working for the military, which is why they get all the cool stuff a decade before it hits the market. Our standard of living is directly tied to our military.

  • Tuna Ghost

    pretty accurate in this case, unfortunately. Shit he’ll get stitches if he’s lucky. What’s the penalty for treason during a war time, again?

  • Tuna Ghost

    pretty accurate in this case, unfortunately. Shit he’ll get stitches if he’s lucky. What’s the penalty for treason during a war time, again?

  • justme

    fear is our only god in so many ways

  • justme

    fear is our only god in so many ways

  • Tuna Ghost

    Well treason in wartime is still punishable by the death penalty, which I’m sure he was well aware of, so technically…

  • Engcompany

    He should be executed for treason. All the bleeding heart liberals need a new rally cry anyhow.

  • Engcompany

    He should be executed for treason. All the bleeding heart liberals need a new rally cry anyhow.

    • E.B. Wolf

      But all the crimes he exposed such as American contractors trafficking child prostitutes are cool, right?

      • Andrew

        So now you want Big Gubmint oppressing the economic freedom of the child prostitution Market? You Bolsheviks don’t care who you kill in order to cling to your socialist illusions, do you?

  • adam

    The problem here is that he has not been charged with any crime but is being held as if he were.

  • E.B. Wolf

    But all the crimes he exposed such as American contractors trafficking child prostitutes are cool, right?

  • E.B. Wolf

    But all the crimes he exposed such as American contractors trafficking child prostitutes are cool, right?

  • Andrew

    So now you want Big Gubmint oppressing the economic freedom of the child prostitution Market? You Bolsheviks don’t care who you kill in order to cling to your socialist illusions, do you?

  • burnpits&burgerkings

    “If you people knew”…knew what? Knew how citizens and communities could possibly lead richer lives without subsidizing the death industry as a corrupt substitute for progress? How can citizens be in a ‘willfully’ ignorant bubble if there’s apparently half of the information purposely kept from its benefactors? The federal government also built the insterstate highway, used for travel to Washington, DC, to end another War cloaked in decades of secrecy. One’s charge of technical treason is another’s fight for justice. Who is right? Time will tell.

  • Tuna Ghost

    He’s in the military. They can hold him however and whenever and for how ever long they please. He does not have the rights you have in a criminal court.

  • Hadrian999

    it blows my mind how much venom you see on right wing boards about this guy,
    seriously sick stuff.

  • Hadrian999

    it blows my mind how much venom you see on right wing boards about this guy,
    seriously sick stuff.

    • http://twitter.com/ANomadicView Nomad

      And all of them are probably devout Christians unable to see the parallels between the Roman Empire and our own.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ANF7LNEJI5SK6R36WJ4TANONDM Eyes Only

    Patriot act…

  • ohuknow

    Maybe so, but I think you misunderstood.

  • Sharpie.

    A never ending war, torture of innocent young men, devastating national debt, government lies and secrets.

    anybody else think the future of america isnt looking too bright?

  • Sharpie.

    A never ending war, torture of innocent young men, devastating national debt, government lies and secrets.

    anybody else think the future of america isnt looking too bright?

  • Andrew

    The establishment wants this story out. They want every American to know that you too can be tortured if you don’t obey.

  • Andrew

    The establishment wants this story out. They want every American to know that you too can be tortured if you don’t obey.

  • Anonymous

    If this news article is true (and only if it is true), the FUCK the US Government to hell

  • HarloweThrombey

    If this news article is true (and only if it is true), the FUCK the US Government to hell

  • that1guy

    One thing I don’t get, and it hasn’t really come up yet, is whether treason is like murder 1 or not, where willful intent typically matters?
    What I guess I’m concerned about is, here is a person who broke laws regarding secrecy and chain of command and may have indirectly aided and abetted an enemy during wartime by giving them(and everyone else) intel that they previously did not have. But as far as we know he was never in direct contact with any named groups that we are at war with (the taliban, al qaeda and subsidiaries) and his stated intent, as far as we know, was not to harm the United States as an act of war by releasing intel, as a direct aide to enemies or as propaganda for their efforts.
    If the action that you take effectively empowers an enemy of the US(among a group of other people it empowers), even if your reasons for taking such an action are not specific to empowering said enemy, even if you are never in direct contact with said enemy, is that action then treasonous? It seems like it would be a short step from convicting Manning for treason in this case, on top of whatever laws are on the books regarding secrecy and chain of command, to convicting political dissidents for treason by way of harming public and military morale. If I am a meteorologist or a non-governmental cartographer, I should not be held liable for the use of the information I have made public by enemies of the state.
    Which isn’t saying that espionage charges, which could also be pretty serious, couldn’t be justly applied here. I just winder if treason charges really should be.

    • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

      He’ll fall under the Uniform Code Of Military Justice…rather than traditional courts, so he’s pretty well screwed to begin with…but you raise some good points. I can’t be sure, but intent likely means nothing. The physical act of removing data and passing it to ANYONE is a clear violation of his service and the prevailing orders of his immediate superiors. At this point, other than claiming total guilt and hoping for mercy (I just lawled)…his best chance is to use the Uniform Code Of Military Justice to compare his position to that of Lt. Calley in Vietnam…and point out that rather than following an order to commit a crime (hiding evidence of criminal acts is actually illegal…even in the military…its just never enforced and trampled over by the unwritten code of silence) he stood up and bypassed a corrupt system so that justice might at least become possible.

      Technically, as we speak, treason is being redefined as ‘anything we don’t like…and we change our mind on what that constitutes whenever we feel like it’…but classically, treason is a bit more complicated than that. If anything, Manning and Wikileaks have revealed the weakest link in the US’s info chain and allowed us a chance to close it up before any real traitors made use of it (assuming we even know if they did…since Manning wouldn’t have been caught if Wikileaks hadn’t published anything…who knows what other governments learned over the time SIPRNET has been in use?) I’d give them both medals for singlehandedly doing more to stop future leaks than anyone in the history of the US.

    • Hadrian999

      I doubt he’ll be charge with treason, it is very difficult to get a conviction.
      you almost never see it because the rules for it are so strict.

  • that1guy

    One thing I don’t get, and it hasn’t really come up yet, is whether treason is like murder 1 or not, where willful intent typically matters?
    What I guess I’m concerned about is, here is a person who broke laws regarding secrecy and chain of command and may have indirectly aided and abetted an enemy during wartime by giving them(and everyone else) intel that they previously did not have. But as far as we know he was never in direct contact with any named groups that we are at war with (the taliban, al qaeda and subsidiaries) and his stated intent, as far as we know, was not to harm the United States as an act of war by releasing intel, as a direct aide to enemies or as propaganda for their efforts.
    If the action that you take effectively empowers an enemy of the US(among a group of other people it empowers), even if your reasons for taking such an action are not specific to empowering said enemy, even if you are never in direct contact with said enemy, is that action then treasonous? It seems like it would be a short step from convicting Manning for treason in this case, on top of whatever laws are on the books regarding secrecy and chain of command, to convicting political dissidents for treason by way of harming public and military morale. If I am a meteorologist or a non-governmental cartographer, I should not be held liable for the use of the information I have made public by enemies of the state.
    Which isn’t saying that espionage charges, which could also be pretty serious, couldn’t be justly applied here. I just winder if treason charges really should be.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    He’ll fall under the Uniform Code Of Military Justice…rather than traditional courts, so he’s pretty well screwed to begin with…but you raise some good points. I can’t be sure, but intent likely means nothing. The physical act of removing data and passing it to ANYONE is a clear violation of his service and the prevailing orders of his immediate superiors. At this point, other than claiming total guilt and hoping for mercy (I just lawled)…his best chance is to use the Uniform Code Of Military Justice to compare his position to that of Lt. Calley in Vietnam…and point out that rather than following an order to commit a crime (hiding evidence of criminal acts is actually illegal…even in the military…its just never enforced and trampled over by the unwritten code of silence) he stood up and bypassed a corrupt system so that justice might at least become possible.

    Technically, as we speak, treason is being redefined as ‘anything we don’t like…and we change our mind on what that constitutes whenever we feel like it’…but classically, treason is a bit more complicated than that. If anything, Manning and Wikileaks have revealed the weakest link in the US’s info chain and allowed us a chance to close it up before any real traitors made use of it (assuming we even know if they did…since Manning wouldn’t have been caught if Wikileaks hadn’t published anything…who knows what other governments learned over the time SIPRNET has been in use?) I’d give them both medals for singlehandedly doing more to stop future leaks than anyone in the history of the US.

  • Willandsarah

    Oh! Give it a rest! Such Hyperbole! “in solitary confinement”, “dosed with antidepressants”—-really! Spending time alone is not an awful thing, and being on an antidepressant is a wonderful opportunity! in all of human history we have not even had words for feeling like shit, or feeling anxious or undeserving; or inothterrds being “depressed!” Now we speak of this and gvecemicals that (only approximately, it is true) alleviate these symptoms. To speak about the experiencesof the human mind, whether alone or amongst others, and whether treated with a modern psychiatric medication, or not, is to be reactionary and without any imagination.! this soldier was/is very brave. And the modern American Army is accountable and does not really, in official capacity anyways, try to be mean and cruel. Individuals throughout time deviate from the norm…..
    LONG LIVE WIKI LEAKS!

    LONG LIVE WIKI LEAKS

  • Willandsarah

    Oh! Give it a rest! Such Hyperbole! “in solitary confinement”, “dosed with antidepressants”—-really! Spending time alone is not an awful thing, and being on an antidepressant is a wonderful opportunity! in all of human history we have not even had words for feeling like shit, or feeling anxious or undeserving; or inothterrds being “depressed!” Now we speak of this and gvecemicals that (only approximately, it is true) alleviate these symptoms. To speak about the experiencesof the human mind, whether alone or amongst others, and whether treated with a modern psychiatric medication, or not, is to be reactionary and without any imagination.! this soldier was/is very brave. And the modern American Army is accountable and does not really, in official capacity anyways, try to be mean and cruel. Individuals throughout time deviate from the norm…..
    LONG LIVE WIKI LEAKS!

    LONG LIVE WIKI LEAKS

  • Newt

    This 22-year old guy will die in jail. Unfortunately, you can’t stand up to a superpower and not suffer for it. The fact that the military basically owns anyone who enlists like a dog doesn’t help, either. I’m not 100% sure why we still allow that; it’s as though the day you sign up for the military you’re no longer a US citizen, but instead answerable to some petty junta that does whatever the hell they like to you.

  • Newt

    This 22-year old guy will die in jail. Unfortunately, you can’t stand up to a superpower and not suffer for it. The fact that the military basically owns anyone who enlists like a dog doesn’t help, either. I’m not 100% sure why we still allow that; it’s as though the day you sign up for the military you’re no longer a US citizen, but instead answerable to some petty junta that does whatever the hell they like to you.

  • Newt

    I have to be honest with you; you can either be “not ignorant” or “not scared,” but if you have even general idea of the direction we’re heading in over the next 50 years, “Aware and Scared Shitless” is the pretty much the inevitable outcome of even the boldest of rational men.

    You can see what telling the truth has earned Lt. Manning. This guy’s only 22, all he did was allow the truth to be published, and for this he will be tortured, vilified, and ostracized like few people alive can even conceive of.

    In other words: We hate the truth.

  • Newt

    Hey, there’s his angle then – we’re not actually at war. Not with Iraq, not with Afghanistan. No declaration, no stated enemy. Not at war. Interesting how we’ve been “not at war” for like 10 years and trillions of dollars now, isn’t it?

    Not sure what the punishment for “treason during non-declared military action” is, but…

  • 11Nov2011

    Manning is more courageous than anyone in the White house or Congress or the generals and commanding officers who ordered murder and torture of civilians in foreign land. When he leaked info, he expected that these so called leaders will take appropiate actions to correct themselves. But no, they throw him in isolation with out a conviction.
    Instead of making ammendments, these government thugs have dug deeper into their diabolical plots, thus exposing to the entire world of their evil intentions to the world population.
    Now do you see that your lives and the lives of your children are in the hands of crooks?

    You don’t have leaders but you are controlled by greedy politicians who are controlled by masked men hiding behind corporate walls. Get a leader who has the courage to stand up for the people.

  • Anonymous

    Manning is more courageous than anyone in the White house or Congress or the generals and commanding officers who ordered murder and torture of civilians in foreign land. When he leaked info, he expected that these so called leaders will take appropiate actions to correct themselves. But no, they throw him in isolation with out a conviction.
    Instead of making ammendments, these government thugs have dug deeper into their diabolical plots, thus exposing to the entire world of their evil intentions to the world population.
    Now do you see that your lives and the lives of your children are in the hands of crooks?

    You don’t have leaders but you are controlled by greedy politicians who are controlled by masked men hiding behind corporate walls. Get a leader who has the courage to stand up for the people.

  • Mcguireuga

    Bradley Manning deserves his fate. The release of classified information without permission of his superiors or the chain of command is an act of treason. As he swore an oath to “Obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Officers appointed over me” he is guilty of a crime, period. Our nation cannot and should not condone the actions of so-called whistleblowers who have swore such an oath. Private Manning could have waited until he was honorably discharged and then conducted interviews with the media to tell his story and express his opinions.

  • Mcguireuga

    Bradley Manning deserves his fate. The release of classified information without permission of his superiors or the chain of command is an act of treason. As he swore an oath to “Obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Officers appointed over me” he is guilty of a crime, period. Our nation cannot and should not condone the actions of so-called whistleblowers who have swore such an oath. Private Manning could have waited until he was honorably discharged and then conducted interviews with the media to tell his story and express his opinions.

    • MagicOrbitDV

      Why are the facts so onerous? Because they are. If you don’t like it why do you endorse it? What does secrecy do for us? The first casualty of WAR is THE TRUTH. You evidently are afraid of THE TRUTH. Do you believe it’s OK to gun down civilians or accuse people of wrongdoing when they haven’t done anything wrong? I guess you do. That is a sin. YOUR SIN. The first duty is to the Constitution & The People of the United States, not the Bureaucracy. I’ll bet you have no respect for the President of the United States but are using this phrase to get over in your argument. This guy is a hero. The detention is inhumane. Our soldiers should NOT be used to fight in illegal wars or inhumane ways. We are better than that. We don’t need to be depraved to win. You are endorsing depravity. I hope you think deeply about this before you end up destroying more life- including your own. KILLING PEOPLE IS NOT THE ANSWER. NEITHER IS ENSLAVEMENT. Have Faith.

      • Targeteer

        You’re way naive & way wrong! For eleven years I worked for the Marines in military intelligence as an analyst with a Top Secret clearance. I was obligated to do my sworn duty & support policy whether I agreed with it or not. Semper Fi!

        • BrandonW

          That’s not the point. The point is, he is an American citizen, entitled to due process of the law, regardless of the accusations of his alleged crime.

          Personally, I’m all in favor of this. The more transparency we have at all levels of government, the better. My grandfather worked as an ordinance technician in the late 50s/early 60s in Germany for the US Army, and only told us about what he did roughly 10 years ago. My grandmother never knew, and it turns out that he handled and armed nuclear warheads.

          You can claim the “obligation to do your sworn duty” all you want, but in the end, the only thing that matters is doing the right thing.

          • Targeteer

            Negative. Manning is NOT a private citizen. He is subject to the UCMJ and is being held for court martial. “Doing the right thing,” whatever an individual perceives it to be is not an option taken lightly. Holding a TS/SBI clearance requires extensive briefings that spell out the consequences of noncompliance that extend for the rest of ur natural life. Ur grandfather honored his commitment & divulged his role only after treaties were signed & mission declassification. Taking his knowledge to the grave was superfluous. Finally, the key to “security” is personal integrity. I do find it difficult to Q Manning’s integrity, apparently since his motive was not personal profit. In the military we wear a “uniform” that glues our identity to move as one. Individuality in the performance of duty is not acceptable, and it can be considered treasonous for those few who are privileged to work in intelligence.

          • Chuck

            You are correct. However, how do you know that is not happening? Manning’s lawyer (yes, of course, he has one) is ensuring all his rights are being observed. It’s that way things are done in America. And, especially, in the military. Don’t be blinded my propaganda and bullshit. Don’t believe the lies of cowards.

      • http://dptlc.blogspot.com/ DmpstrBaby

        You’re absolutely right! The army should be forced to reveal all of their secret locations and every schematics for all of their arsenal and bombs. They should publish their attack tactics and missions to come on Facebook because it is our right to be entertained! And they should publish on their website the name and address of every soldiers including everything they did and how many people they killed and what they had for dinner.

        • Urmoma

          What did you have for dinner? A stupid burger?

    • Gorf

      You think an American citizen deserves to be in solitary confinement without being charged with a crime?

      Do us Americans that actually believe in the Constitution a favor and move to a country that appreciates your fascist views, like North Korea.

      • Targeteer

        Manning is NOT a private citizen. He is subject to the UCMJ and is being held for court martial. For someone cleared Top Secret, punishment for breaking a solemn oath & disobeying orders could be severe. I also was a military intel analyst cleared TS/SBI SCIF(CODE WORD) working with TS NOFORN intelligence products, and would cut off a hand rather than divulge “secrets.” The actions of Manning could compromise national security as well as jeopardize the lives of field intel operatives.

        America is still a work in progress. Governance is a dynamic process that requires acceptance of change within the confines of the rule of law. Big stick foreign policy is as dangerous as isolationism, the military playing a huge role in diplomacy. We are yet a nation of possibilities within an established framework & Manning’s actions went way beyond its boundaries.

        • llekiamm

          It’s incredible to me that people keep saying, “but it’s illegal!” to the leaks. The people who cry that are the exact people who would’ve supported segregation because “it’s the law.” They never stop and think about the circumstances and instead jump right onto pitiful, binary legality. Lemme ask you something: if you found out that your dad was molesting your little sister, would you keep quiet because the you’re not supposed to tattle? After all, tattling’s against the rules! Can’t break those now, can we?

          “The actions of Manning could compromise national security as well as jeopardize the lives of field intel operatives.”

          I tire of this talking point. It’s empty. Where is the wave of revenge that the big meanie brown men seek to unleash? They’ve had 7 months, yet I’ve not heard one account where this “compromise” has had an effect.

          America is not a work in progress. It’s a crack house in disrepair, patched with aluminum foil from the hats all the conspiracy theorists inside the place wear. We’re a stupid, angry uncle who won the lottery, blew all the money on drugs, and now has trillions in debt, but pretends everything is just peachy. Wake up. The “acceptance of change within…the rule of law” you speak of is an illusion. History speaks with a bullhorn the size of Texas on that one.

          • Targeteer

            Legal shmegal, Manning will be held accountable according to military law. Fugettabout the molestation analogy. Furthermore, I can’t answer your question.

            I hesitated to use the hackneyed talking point you quoted because it IS weak, however true it might be. I also don’t like the expression, “loose lips sink ships,” for the same reason.

            In the last paragraph of your welcomed reply it sounds to me that your glass is half empty(I never liked this expression either). Makes me wonder how far along you are in your career? How much do you have invested in your future? Are you still a “work in progress” or have you thrown your hands up in despair?

            I have seen a remarkable amount of change in my life time so far & some of that change, welcomed or not, has been legislated within the boundaries of government; some has been brought about due to public outcry that pushes the “envelope,” an example being the Vietnam War. Both of these processes need to be “tolerated” in our “free” society, though some would consider the latter to be anarchy. I don’t.

            Do we all live in a foil patched crack house? I do not like conspiracy theorists for they appear to be on the fringe & the big bullhorn can’t reach them. BTW, I’m not hard of hearing. Thanx for the comment!

    • cdoll

      How is he guilty of a crime when he was not convicted but only accused? If you really believe the things that you say, then you must be a part of the US military. They clearly know how to brainwash you into believing that this is normal. A release of information is worthy of sending someone into the worst insanity imaginable? And all for releasing information that would prove our government, who is above us all, is engaging in ILLEGAL activities. What should be classified as an “act of treason” is lying to your country, not spreading the truth like Manning tried to do. The military has entirely too much power in our country and it shouldn’t be this way. The Constitution should be above all.

    • Yobro

      As an Ex Serviceman, I am conflicted. I agree with his decision and disagree. It’s hard for me to say.

      • targeteer

        In my view Manning did the WRONG thing at great personal cost. If Top Secret documents are compromised, grave damage to our national security may occur. As a serviceman, disobeying orders could get you a reprimand, nonjudicial punishment or court martial. If you held a clearance, the penalties would be more severe. TRUST is operative here. You say you are conflicted. Can you be trusted?

        • Andrew

          I don’t trust a government that keeps so many secrets from its own citizens and breaks its own constitution, nor those that unquestioningly defend that government and carry out its orders.

          • Targeteer

            “Those… that defend… and carry out.. orders” sound like members of the military. Without a military would we even HAVE a constitution to break, or would we just settle for the Magna Carta?

            Get real! Welcome to life in the Big City. Glad you replied.

    • BRAINWASH

      Pappa Government brainwashed you already? You deserve to know what your government does and you should always denounce illegal activity especially from the government

  • MagicOrbitDV

    We send our prayers to heal those in need of healing. God help us. The first casualty of WAR is THE TRUTH.

  • MagicOrbitDV

    We send our prayers to heal those in need of healing. God help us. The first casualty of WAR is THE TRUTH.

  • MagicOrbitDV

    Why are the facts so onerous? Because they are. If you don’t like it why do you endorse it? What does secrecy do for us? The first casualty of WAR is THE TRUTH. You evidently are afraid of THE TRUTH. Do you believe it’s OK to gun down civilians or accuse people of wrongdoing when they haven’t done anything wrong? I guess you do. That is a sin. YOUR SIN. The first duty is to the Constitution & The People of the United States, not the Bureaucracy. I’ll bet you have no respect for the President of the United States but are using this phrase to get over in your argument. This guy is a hero. The detention is inhumane. Our soldiers should NOT be used to fight in illegal wars or inhumane ways. We are better than that. We don’t need to be depraved to win. You are endorsing depravity. I hope you think deeply about this before you end up destroying more life- including your own. KILLING PEOPLE IS NOT THE ANSWER. NEITHER IS ENSLAVEMENT. Have Faith.

  • MagicOrbitDV

    Some Democratic government.

  • MagicOrbitDV

    SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THE DEVIL?

  • MagicOrbitDV

    gobbledygook

  • Tuna Ghost

    It’s the nature of the US military. Its probably the same for most militaries all over the world. Shit, in some countries this kid would have been executed without any kind of a trial days after he was discovered.

  • Vaston

    We aren’t a Democracy, we are a Republic, rule of law.

  • Vaston

    Please tell me that you think that it is an evil law….

    Who wrote the bill? Joe Biden in 1997.
    Who passed the bill? Our Representatives in DC.
    How long does the bill last? Til ’05 when it was renewed by Congress
    How long did that one last? Til PRESIDENT OBAMA SIGNED IT AGAIN ON FEB 27, 2010.

  • Andrew

    The U.S. is no longer a nation of laws.

  • Marty

    I absolutely support this guy, but its completely reasonable that a member of the armed forces found to leak classified data would be imprisoned under U.S. military policy. In signing up for the Army, you’re giving up a lot of rights. That being said, there’s no reason for him to be isolated for 23 hrs/day or to be without bedding. That’s just inhumane and the Army should really change its policies on how it can treat its own members.

    • Socteach5

      The reason for removing the bedding is to prevent suicide. One of the main reasons for the isolation is that he would be killed in the general population.

      • Peepe1

        Or he could be worshipped by a crowd on their knees! :D hehe.. That could be more frightening in fact.
        I`m from Finland, sorry for my bad English. We have had about 43 wars against Russia.. real, bloody wars agains a much bigger army and cruel, stalinist country.. we have lost all those wars but we are still independent .. not afraid of Russia, satisfied here where we are and will also stay. If you are afraid fighting against small, oldfashioned countries (Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan..) so please tell me WHY!!?? All I can imagine for a reason is that you know you are losing the economical war (and your independence at the same time) against countries like China and India and other developing countries. Stop buying so much Chinese trash!! :D

  • Marty

    I absolutely support this guy, but its completely reasonable that a member of the armed forces found to leak classified data would be imprisoned under U.S. military policy. In signing up for the Army, you’re giving up a lot of rights. That being said, there’s no reason for him to be isolated for 23 hrs/day or to be without bedding. That’s just inhumane and the Army should really change its policies on how it can treat its own members.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve got a bit of a point. He is in the US Army, and in the Army we’re sorta trained to be killers (depends on your MOS really).

  • Morgash

    The infantryman in me looks at this and thinks, three squares a day and he doesn’t even have to get wet and cold. Sounds like a good deal. It couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

  • Morgash

    The infantryman in me looks at this and thinks, three squares a day and he doesn’t even have to get wet and cold. Sounds like a good deal. It couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

  • JustCause2010

    In reply to Mcguireuga and Obnoxiouslyobnoxiousname:

    I admire and applaud this courageous young soldier who did what every decent human being with a clear sense for right or wrong should do: Put common human rights over a semi legal (in this case military) system of petty and oppressive paragraphs. Manning displayed a healthy conscience that remained intact even under war circumstances—and that is apparently to be broken under inhumane prison conditions.

    Manning came to the rescue of values that should matter even to Mcguireuga, Obnoxiouslyobnoxiousname and right-wing hardliners like Huckabee: the American INTEGRITY. What damage has been done to the American security by making the well-known helicopter killing video public? None! What damage is being done to the American reputation, credibility and trustworthiness (in short: INTEGRITY) by covering up those clearly documented U.S. war crimes (killing Reuter journalists and Iraqi civilians out of ignorance and cockiness)? Your call…

    I am of German origin, born in 1961, i.e. sixteen years after the end of WW2. During my university and work life in the U.S. I have been in many discussions with Americans of all ages, asking me again and again why the Germans didn’t stand up against the wrongdoings and crimes committed under the Hitler regime, most of which were even LEGAL in under the Nazi jurisdiction. There are many responses, one of which is that opposition was in most cases lethal in the later years of that regime.

    Now there is a young American hero that could rightfully assume to be protected under universal human rights, being a cetizen of a country with an often-praised constitution. He dares to stand up against a wrongdoing and a crime, yet he is facing a most severe and unjust punishment. The most fundamental legal principles are being violated: “Innocent until proven guilty” and “No punishment without a sentence”. And Manning has not even been indicted! Be it military or civil law, regardless of whatever contract he signed, there are no legal grounds for this sort of punishment that is in most civilized Western countries considered torture.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. Illegal punishment for thwarting a cover-up of a war crime is definitely un-American. Give Bradley Manning the decent human treatment every non-convicted U.S. citizen is entitled to!

    • Socteach5

      This is not a case of patriotic fervor, it is visions of grandeur. He is not a whistleblower, he is a traitor. Here is a link to a story on his change of lifestyle that is the root of this case. http://www.towleroad.com/2010/08/nyt-on-wikileaks-pfc-bradley-mannings-troubled-gay-past.html

      This man was trying to impress his new friends, not anything more. His pettiness is very self-serving. He deserves whatever he gets. As to the legality of his confinement, under the UCMJ he is being afforded what he is due, including a lawyer. He is being isolated for his protection. If he were in the general military population they would kill him. The men in military confinement are criminals, but most hate traitors as much as most Americans do. Death to anarchists!

  • JustCause2010

    In reply to Mcguireuga and Obnoxiouslyobnoxiousname:

    I admire and applaud this courageous young soldier who did what every decent human being with a clear sense for right or wrong should do: Put common human rights over a semi legal (in this case military) system of petty and oppressive paragraphs. Manning displayed a healthy conscience that remained intact even under war circumstances—and that is apparently to be broken under inhumane prison conditions.

    Manning came to the rescue of values that should matter even to Mcguireuga, Obnoxiouslyobnoxiousname and right-wing hardliners like Huckabee: the American INTEGRITY. What damage has been done to the American security by making the well-known helicopter killing video public? None! What damage is being done to the American reputation, credibility and trustworthiness (in short: INTEGRITY) by covering up those clearly documented U.S. war crimes (killing Reuter journalists and Iraqi civilians out of ignorance and cockiness)? Your call…

    I am of German origin, born in 1961, i.e. sixteen years after the end of WW2. During my university and work life in the U.S. I have been in many discussions with Americans of all ages, asking me again and again why the Germans didn’t stand up against the wrongdoings and crimes committed under the Hitler regime, most of which were even LEGAL in under the Nazi jurisdiction. There are many responses, one of which is that opposition was in most cases lethal in the later years of that regime.

    Now there is a young American hero that could rightfully assume to be protected under universal human rights, being a cetizen of a country with an often-praised constitution. He dares to stand up against a wrongdoing and a crime, yet he is facing a most severe and unjust punishment. The most fundamental legal principles are being violated: “Innocent until proven guilty” and “No punishment without a sentence”. And Manning has not even been indicted! Be it military or civil law, regardless of whatever contract he signed, there are no legal grounds for this sort of punishment that is in most civilized Western countries considered torture.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. Illegal punishment for thwarting a cover-up of a war crime is definitely un-American. Give Bradley Manning the decent human treatment every non-convicted U.S. citizen is entitled to!

  • ScottyB

    This guy’s a chump, and he’s damn lucky they didn’t execute his ass. “Torture,” My ass. Honestly, where the hell were they gonna keep him? The other prisoners would have torn him a new asshole. Bradley, you have no rights because, not only are you in the Army, but you’re a traitor, and everybody knows it. The press may have worshipped you for a week or two, but don’t expect the same from the organization you sold out. Again, you’re lucky to be alive, and the solitary confinement was a fucking luxury. So appreciate it.

    • Cuntlike

      scotty B > it is people like you who are the terrorists.

      • Socteach5

        Yeah…we terrorize despots, theocrats, marxists, anarchists, and idiots who want to return the world to the Dark Ages.

  • ScottyB

    This guy’s a chump, and he’s damn lucky they didn’t execute his ass. “Torture,” My ass. Honestly, where the hell were they gonna keep him? The other prisoners would have torn him a new asshole. Bradley, you have no rights because, not only are you in the Army, but you’re a traitor, and everybody knows it. The press may have worshipped you for a week or two, but don’t expect the same from the organization you sold out. Again, you’re lucky to be alive, and the solitary confinement was a fucking luxury. So appreciate it.

  • Hadrian999

    I doubt he’ll be charge with treason, it is very difficult to get a conviction.
    you almost never see it because the rules for it are so strict.

  • http://twitter.com/ANomadicView nomadicjoe

    And all of them are probably devout Christians unable to see the parallels between the Roman Empire and our own.

  • Cuntlike

    yes we will have more terrorists you are right, which is exactly what the arms dealers, munitions suppliers, etc etc want.

    the war on terror is an oxymoron. a fucking oxymoron…

  • Cuntlike

    anonymous> you know damn well what you can do.

  • Cuntlike

    scotty B > it is people like you who are the terrorists.

  • Cuntlike

    you are a child

  • Gorf

    You think an American citizen deserves to be in solitary confinement without being charged with a crime?

    Do us Americans that actually believe in the Constitution a favor and move to a country that appreciates your fascist views, like North Korea.

  • cdoll

    How is he guilty of a crime when he was not convicted but only accused? If you really believe the things that you say, then you must be a part of the US military. They clearly know how to brainwash you into believing that this is normal. A release of information is worthy of sending someone into the worst insanity imaginable? And all for releasing information that would prove our government, who is above us all, is engaging in ILLEGAL activities. What should be classified as an “act of treason” is lying to your country, not spreading the truth like Manning tried to do. The military has entirely too much power in our country and it shouldn’t be this way. The Constitution should be above all.

  • cdoll

    and that’s what’s so messed up about it all..

  • The Truth Hurts

    Those journalists in the Apache video were hanging out with armed insurgents during a roving gun battle that was taking place between US troops and insurgents. The reporters were with a group that had members that were clearly armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles And finally, Wikileaks did not publish the entire video: they cut something like 10 to 15 minutes of it and removed any other possible context than “AMERICANS ARE MURDERERS OMG”. I’m sorry that you don’t want to hear this, but it’s the truth. Watch the video clinically and you’ll notice the armed people in this group that’s supposedly entirely civilians. And there have always been civilian casualties and mistakes in war. This will never, ever change, and war will never, ever go away. We dropped thermonuclear weaponry on heavily populated civilian centers to end a war. This is peanuts in comparison.

    Manning was a soldier. He violated protocol and orders and as such, he is a traitor. I hope they throw the book at him as hard as they can. You want to violate orders and be a little spy and leak classified information like a big boy, you’re going to have to deal with the consequences like. Or did you think that they would throw you a ticker tape parade for betraying your country?

    • Socteach5

      Put on your big boy panties! haha…I love it! Whistleblower my butt…he’s a blower alright (media is not reporting that either).

  • The Truth Hurts

    Those journalists in the Apache video were hanging out with armed insurgents during a roving gun battle that was taking place between US troops and insurgents. The reporters were with a group that had members that were clearly armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles And finally, Wikileaks did not publish the entire video: they cut something like 10 to 15 minutes of it and removed any other possible context than “AMERICANS ARE MURDERERS OMG”. I’m sorry that you don’t want to hear this, but it’s the truth. Watch the video clinically and you’ll notice the armed people in this group that’s supposedly entirely civilians. And there have always been civilian casualties and mistakes in war. This will never, ever change, and war will never, ever go away. We dropped thermonuclear weaponry on heavily populated civilian centers to end a war. This is peanuts in comparison.

    Manning was a soldier. He violated protocol and orders and as such, he is a traitor. I hope they throw the book at him as hard as they can. You want to violate orders and be a little spy and leak classified information like a big boy, you’re going to have to deal with the consequences like. Or did you think that they would throw you a ticker tape parade for betraying your country?

  • The Truth Hurts

    I agree with every single word you type. You, sir, receive a standing ovation from me.

  • GUEST

    He should be publicly hung for treason.

    • Andrew

      Right after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz.

      • Socteach5

        and you guys call us haters…laughable

  • GUEST

    He should be publicly hung for treason.

  • Andrew

    Right after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz.

  • Targeteer

    You’re way naive & way wrong! For eleven years I worked for the Marines in military intelligence as an analyst with a Top Secret clearance. I was obligated to do my sworn duty & support policy whether I agreed with it or not. Semper Fi!

  • BrandonW

    That’s not the point. The point is, he is an American citizen, entitled to due process of the law, regardless of the accusations of his alleged crime.

    Personally, I’m all in favor of this. The more transparency we have at all levels of government, the better. My grandfather worked as an ordinance technician in the late 50s/early 60s in Germany for the US Army, and only told us about what he did roughly 10 years ago. My grandmother never knew, and it turns out that he handled and armed nuclear warheads.

    You can claim the “obligation to do your sworn duty” all you want, but in the end, the only thing that matters is doing the right thing.

  • Wraith27

    Am I the only one calling bulls**t on the government’s narrative regarding the actions of Spc. Manning? How is it that a low-level intel analyst not only knowingly accesses hundreds of thousands of pages of classified data, but is also able to copy them from military computers without anyone knowing, save an informant? Manning is a patsy. For what purpose, I don’t know, but this whole thing reeks of a setup.

  • Wraith27

    Am I the only one calling bulls**t on the government’s narrative regarding the actions of Spc. Manning? How is it that a low-level intel analyst not only knowingly accesses hundreds of thousands of pages of classified data, but is also able to copy them from military computers without anyone knowing, save an informant? Manning is a patsy. For what purpose, I don’t know, but this whole thing reeks of a setup.

  • http://www.cabogolftours.net Cabo Golf Resorts

    It seems most people prefer being in the dark, and lied to by their government. The truth sucks.

  • http://www.cabogolftours.net Cabo Golf Resorts

    baaaah sheep :)

  • http://www.cabogolftours.net Cabo Golf Resorts

    tsk sad.

  • Targeteer

    Negative. Manning is NOT a private citizen. He is subject to the UCMJ and is being held for court martial. “Doing the right thing,” whatever an individual perceives it to be is not an option taken lightly. Holding a TS/SBI clearance requires extensive briefings that spell out the consequences of noncompliance that extend for the rest of ur natural life. Ur grandfather honored his commitment & divulged his role only after treaties were signed & mission declassification. Taking his knowledge to the grave was superfluous. Finally, the key to “security” is personal integrity. I do find it difficult to Q Manning’s integrity, apparently since his motive was not personal profit. In the military we wear a “uniform” that glues our identity to move as one. Individuality in the performance of duty is not acceptable, and it can be considered treasonous for those few who are privileged to work in intelligence.

  • Targeteer

    Negative. Manning is NOT a private citizen. He is subject to the UCMJ and is being held for court martial. “Doing the right thing,” whatever an individual perceives it to be is not an option taken lightly. Holding a TS/SBI clearance requires extensive briefings that spell out the consequences of noncompliance that extend for the rest of ur natural life. Ur grandfather honored his commitment & divulged his role only after treaties were signed & mission declassification. Taking his knowledge to the grave was superfluous. Finally, the key to “security” is personal integrity. I do find it difficult to Q Manning’s integrity, apparently since his motive was not personal profit. In the military we wear a “uniform” that glues our identity to move as one. Individuality in the performance of duty is not acceptable, and it can be considered treasonous for those few who are privileged to work in intelligence.

  • http://dptlc.blogspot.com/ Mr.Phallus

    You gotta love all of those mentally challenged lefties that want this obviously criminal to be freed without any consequences for his act (That would set a good example for future want to be hero who would do anything for some internet fame.) but yet they would have Bush and the likes hang on speculations and of course, since he is obviously guilty of every crime every paranoid schizophrenic came up with he doesn’t need a fair trial, or a trial at all.

    Bradley committed treason while very much aware of the consequences.

    /story

  • http://dptlc.blogspot.com/ DmpstrBaby

    You gotta love all of those mentally challenged lefties that want this obviously criminal to be freed without any consequences for his act (That would set a good example for future want to be hero who would do anything for some internet fame.) but yet they would have Bush and the likes hang on speculations and of course, since he is obviously guilty of every crime every paranoid schizophrenic came up with he doesn’t need a fair trial, or a trial at all.

    Bradley committed treason while very much aware of the consequences.

    /story

  • http://dptlc.blogspot.com/ Mr.Phallus

    You’re absolutely right! The army should be forced to reveal all of their secret locations and every schematics for all of their arsenal and bombs. They should publish their attack tactics and missions to come on Facebook because it is our right to be entertained! And they should publish on their website the name and address of every soldiers including everything they did and how many people they killed and what they had for dinner.

  • Urmoma

    What did you have for dinner? A stupid burger?

  • Chuck

    You are correct. However, how do you know that is not happening? Manning’s lawyer (yes, of course, he has one) is ensuring all his rights are being observed. It’s that way things are done in America. And, especially, in the military. Don’t be blinded my propaganda and bullshit. Don’t believe the lies of cowards.

  • Noone

    Obviously, Manning is a traitor. What he did is betray his oath to the United States of America and every American Citizen. Radicals? What a friggin joke. Seriously, radicals? More like pussies.

  • Urdaddy

    Obviously, you’ve never heard of the UCMJ. But please, don’t let your ignorance stop you from making stupid comments.

  • Tuna Ghost

    There is nothing in the UCMJ that suggests that he has the rights that you and I have in a civil trial, or that what the military is doing is in violation of its own regulations. Seeing as how you haven’t supplied any actual information, I’m going to assume you don’t actually know what is and is not part of the UCMJ and that you are simply trying to score points on a message board. Take your pleasures where you can find them, I guess.

  • Yobro

    As an Ex Serviceman, I am conflicted. I agree with his decision and disagree. It’s hard for me to say.

  • Yoyoyo

    The US “disapearing people into black sites” is still a rather bonkers claim, particularly when so many are held openly. If the US wanted someone removed, no one would ever know besides those in on it. I’m no debunker, I’ve simply seen how efficient the US Government is when it wants to be.

  • Yoyoyo

    The US “disapearing people into black sites” is still a rather bonkers claim, particularly when so many are held openly. If the US wanted someone removed, no one would ever know besides those in on it. I’m no debunker, I’ve simply seen how efficient the US Government is when it wants to be.

  • targeteer

    In my view Manning did the WRONG thing at great personal cost. If Top Secret documents are compromised, grave damage to our national security may occur. As a serviceman, disobeying orders could get you a reprimand, nonjudicial punishment or court martial. If you held a clearance, the penalties would be more severe. TRUST is operative here. You say you are conflicted. Can you be trusted?

  • Woodwardian

    Treason. Execution. Hanging. Today.

    • Andrew

      How very statist.

  • Woodwardian

    Treason. Execution. Hanging. Today.

  • Targeteer

    Manning is NOT a private citizen. He is subject to the UCMJ and is being held for court martial. For someone cleared Top Secret, punishment for breaking a solemn oath & disobeying orders could be severe. I also was a military intel analyst cleared TS/SBI SCIF(CODE WORD) working with TS NOFORN intelligence products, and would cut off a hand rather than divulge “secrets.” The actions of Manning could compromise national security as well as jeopardize the lives of field intel operatives.

    America is still a work in progress. Governance is a dynamic process that requires acceptance of change within the confines of the rule of law. Big stick foreign policy is as dangerous as isolationism, the military playing a huge role in diplomacy. We are yet a nation of possibilities within an established framework & Manning’s actions went way beyond its boundaries.

  • Targeteer

    Manning is NOT a private citizen. He is subject to the UCMJ and is being held for court martial. For someone cleared Top Secret, punishment for breaking a solemn oath & disobeying orders could be severe. I also was a military intel analyst cleared TS/SBI SCIF(CODE WORD) working with TS NOFORN intelligence products, and would cut off a hand rather than divulge “secrets.” The actions of Manning could compromise national security as well as jeopardize the lives of field intel operatives.

    America is still a work in progress. Governance is a dynamic process that requires acceptance of change within the confines of the rule of law. Big stick foreign policy is as dangerous as isolationism, the military playing a huge role in diplomacy. We are yet a nation of possibilities within an established framework & Manning’s actions went way beyond its boundaries.

  • Dukecola

    The author has so many facts wrong it’s ridiculous. Manning is not a private citizen, he’s a soldier. For those of you who never been in the military, you wouldn’t understand. Funny, for the average soldier/sailor, living conditions during wartime are pure squalor. The food/cot they get is exactly the same as Mannings, and they aren’t traitors. That;’s just life in the military. Stop feeling sad for the traitor. You people who think because he hasn’t been to Court Martial yet he should be just let go, would you feel the same for the major Nisal who gunned down our own soldiers at Ft Hood? Sad, very sad, and we wonder why our country is in decline.

  • Dukecola

    The author has so many facts wrong it’s ridiculous. Manning is not a private citizen, he’s a soldier. For those of you who never been in the military, you wouldn’t understand. Funny, for the average soldier/sailor, living conditions during wartime are pure squalor. The food/cot they get is exactly the same as Mannings, and they aren’t traitors. That;’s just life in the military. Stop feeling sad for the traitor. You people who think because he hasn’t been to Court Martial yet he should be just let go, would you feel the same for the major Nisal who gunned down our own soldiers at Ft Hood? Sad, very sad, and we wonder why our country is in decline.

  • BRAINWASH

    Pappa Government brainwashed you already? You deserve to know what your government does and you should always denounce illegal activity especially from the government

  • Socteach5

    The Wikileaks people deserve first amendment protections, Mr. Manning does not. As a member of the US military you do not surrender your rights, but you are subject to the UCMJ. The UCMJ is quite a bit different than civilian law. You can be confined without trial for the entire period of your enlistment, and have your enlistment involuntarily extended. If it can be construed that Manning’s actions cost one American citizen or contract empoyee their lives in time of war*, he could be sentenced to death. He must be isolated to prevent further passing of information, it is elementary. I am not an advocate of the death penalty, mostly because of inaccuracies of eye witness accounts that often prove false. But Manning has admitted his guilt. he does not qualify for whistle blower status as a member of the armed forces unless he brought the information to his superiors and they did nothing. Unauthorized release of classified documents is treasonous and Manning should be considered a traitor. He is only a patriot in the eyes of anarchists. Death to anarchists!

  • Socteach5

    The Wikileaks people deserve first amendment protections, Mr. Manning does not. As a member of the US military you do not surrender your rights, but you are subject to the UCMJ. The UCMJ is quite a bit different than civilian law. You can be confined without trial for the entire period of your enlistment, and have your enlistment involuntarily extended. If it can be construed that Manning’s actions cost one American citizen or contract empoyee their lives in time of war*, he could be sentenced to death. He must be isolated to prevent further passing of information, it is elementary. I am not an advocate of the death penalty, mostly because of inaccuracies of eye witness accounts that often prove false. But Manning has admitted his guilt. he does not qualify for whistle blower status as a member of the armed forces unless he brought the information to his superiors and they did nothing. Unauthorized release of classified documents is treasonous and Manning should be considered a traitor. He is only a patriot in the eyes of anarchists. Death to anarchists!

  • Socteach5

    Put on your big boy panties! haha…I love it! Whistleblower my butt…he’s a blower alright (media is not reporting that either).

  • Socteach5

    Yeah…we terrorize despots, theocrats, marxists, anarchists, and idiots who want to return the world to the Dark Ages.

  • Socteach5

    This is not a case of patriotic fervor, it is visions of grandeur. He is not a whistleblower, he is a traitor. Here is a link to a story on his change of lifestyle that is the root of this case. http://www.towleroad.com/2010/08/nyt-on-wikileaks-pfc-bradley-mannings-troubled-gay-past.html

    This man was trying to impress his new friends, not anything more. His pettiness is very self-serving. He deserves whatever he gets. As to the legality of his confinement, under the UCMJ he is being afforded what he is due, including a lawyer. He is being isolated for his protection. If he were in the general military population they would kill him. The men in military confinement are criminals, but most hate traitors as much as most Americans do. Death to anarchists!

  • Socteach5

    The reason for removing the bedding is to prevent suicide. One of the main reasons for the isolation is that he would be killed in the general population.

  • Socteach5

    Here is a link to the root of this story. It will never be reported truthfully because it goes against the grain of political correctness. This man is not a whistleblower, he is a traitor.

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/08/nyt-on-wikileaks-pfc-bradley-mannings-troubled-gay-past.html

  • Socteach5

    Here is a link to the root of this story. It will never be reported truthfully because it goes against the grain of political correctness. This man is not a whistleblower, he is a traitor.

    http://www.towleroad.com/2010/08/nyt-on-wikileaks-pfc-bradley-mannings-troubled-gay-past.html

  • Socteach5

    and you guys call us haters…laughable

  • Andrew

    How very statist.

  • Sabiha1

    The US is morally imploding.And Manning is making an effort to save it.The wikileaks are proof of this immorality.The US is the biggest fighting machine the world has ever seen or will ever see.And yet they can’t find one Osama Bin Laden or Mullah Omar!A junior soldier can leak millions of their dark secrets!Where is the missing link?Any victory to be credible must be a moral victory.

  • Sabiha1

    The US is morally imploding.And Manning is making an effort to save it.The wikileaks are proof of this immorality.The US is the biggest fighting machine the world has ever seen or will ever see.And yet they can’t find one Osama Bin Laden or Mullah Omar!A junior soldier can leak millions of their dark secrets!Where is the missing link?Any victory to be credible must be a moral victory.

  • Word Eater

    It’s simple, really.

    He is a hero, a patriot, and a traitor at the same time.

    He did what he did because he felt that the principles of the country he signed up to protect were being violated.

    He decided to stand up for what this country should represent instead of what it actually represents.

    He is now being punished for violating the oaths he took that put him in that position. He is a traitor to his chain of command, but a patriot for what the United States of America is supposed to be.

  • Word Eater

    It’s simple, really.

    He is a hero, a patriot, and a traitor at the same time.

    He did what he did because he felt that the principles of the country he signed up to protect were being violated.

    He decided to stand up for what this country should represent instead of what it actually represents.

    He is now being punished for violating the oaths he took that put him in that position. He is a traitor to his chain of command, but a patriot for what the United States of America is supposed to be.

  • Perfectlikeryan

    he was charged on july 5th under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for transferring classified data onto his personal computer and communicating national defense information to an unauthorized source between November 19, 2009 and May 27, 2010.

  • Perfectlikeryan

    he was charged on july 5th under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for transferring classified data onto his personal computer and communicating national defense information to an unauthorized source between November 19, 2009 and May 27, 2010.

  • Andrew

    Yeah, real bravery is unthinking, amoral obedience.

  • Andrew

    I don’t trust a government that keeps so many secrets from its own citizens and breaks its own constitution, nor those that unquestioningly defend that government and carry out its orders.

  • llekiamm

    It’s incredible to me that people keep saying, “but it’s illegal!” to the leaks. The people who cry that are the exact people who would’ve supported segregation because “it’s the law.” They never stop and think about the circumstances and instead jump right onto pitiful, binary legality. Lemme ask you something: if you found out that your dad was molesting your little sister, would you keep quiet because the you’re not supposed to tattle? After all, tattling’s against the rules! Can’t break those now, can we?

    “The actions of Manning could compromise national security as well as jeopardize the lives of field intel operatives.”

    I tire of this talking point. It’s empty. Where is the wave of revenge that the big meanie brown men seek to unleash? They’ve had 7 months, yet I’ve not heard one account where this “compromise” has had an effect.

    America is not a work in progress. It’s a crack house in disrepair, patched with aluminum foil from the hats all the conspiracy theorists inside the place wear. We’re a stupid, angry uncle who won the lottery, blew all the money on drugs, and now has trillions in debt, but pretends everything is just peachy. Wake up. The “acceptance of change within…the rule of law” you speak of is an illusion. History speaks with a bullhorn the size of Texas on that one.

  • TabulaRasa

    Welcome to the Fascist States of America.

  • TabulaRasa

    Welcome to the Fascist States of America.

  • Targeteer

    Legal shmegal, Manning will be held accountable according to military law. Fugettabout the molestation analogy. Furthermore, I can’t answer your question.

    I hesitated to use the hackneyed talking point you quoted because it IS weak, however true it might be. I also don’t like the expression, “loose lips sink ships,” for the same reason.

    In the last paragraph of your welcomed reply it sounds to me that your glass is half empty(I never liked this expression either). Makes me wonder how far along you are in your career? How much do you have invested in your future? Are you still a “work in progress” or have you thrown your hands up in despair?

    I have seen a remarkable amount of change in my life time so far & some of that change, welcomed or not, has been legislated within the boundaries of government; some has been brought about due to public outcry that pushes the “envelope,” an example being the Vietnam War. Both of these processes need to be “tolerated” in our “free” society, though some would consider the latter to be anarchy. I don’t.

    Do we all live in a foil patched crack house? I do not like conspiracy theorists for they appear to be on the fringe & the big bullhorn can’t reach them. BTW, I’m not hard of hearing. Thanx for the comment!

  • Targeteer

    “Those… that defend… and carry out.. orders” sound like members of the military. Without a military would we even HAVE a constitution to break, or would we just settle for the Magna Carta?

    Get real! Welcome to life in the Big City. Glad you replied.

  • Peepe1

    well.. US is ALWAYS in wartime ;O)

  • Peepe1

    Obviously that is the truth.. but WHY, OH WHY does anybody in US serve in military “because everyone of them can be prisoned however and whenever and for how ever long .. without any rights” :D What the hell.. do something else.. farming, sports, art etc.. Do they pay so much in the army that you can so easily sell your basic rights?

  • Peepe1

    Or he could be worshipped by a crowd on their knees! :D hehe.. That could be more frightening in fact.
    I`m from Finland, sorry for my bad English. We have had about 43 wars against Russia.. real, bloody wars agains a much bigger army and cruel, stalinist country.. we have lost all those wars but we are still independent .. not afraid of Russia, satisfied here where we are and will also stay. If you are afraid fighting against small, oldfashioned countries (Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan..) so please tell me WHY!!?? All I can imagine for a reason is that you know you are losing the economical war (and your independence at the same time) against countries like China and India and other developing countries. Stop buying so much Chinese trash!! :D

  • Brendam

    We must not be intimidated. As Jesus warned us long ago (my paraphrase), do not fear that which can kill your body, be much more afraid of that which can destroy your spirit; that which makes us truly human. It happened in Australia during Vietnam and now we have a new era of Macarthyism emerging in the USA with Australia meekly following behind. The paranoia of a country which self proclaims itself to be the leader of democracy and freedom is truly frightening. Justice is in the ‘mind’ of the US government. Allende out Pinothet in etc etc How much more evidence do we need to know that the small countries and peoples of the world need to take more independent stances against such action by large states be they to the left or the right politically. Australia should free itself from over dependence on the US alliance and become a neutral country cooperating with its neighbours. Of course there will be consequences, look what happened to New Zealand when they took an anti neuclear stance. The USA does not mind if you stand for free speach as long as it agrees with their position. Let free speach continue and information be available. No more murder in Iraq or Afganistan covered up as military action.

  • Brendam

    We must not be intimidated. As Jesus warned us long ago (my paraphrase), do not fear that which can kill your body, be much more afraid of that which can destroy your spirit; that which makes us truly human. It happened in Australia during Vietnam and now we have a new era of Macarthyism emerging in the USA with Australia meekly following behind. The paranoia of a country which self proclaims itself to be the leader of democracy and freedom is truly frightening. Justice is in the ‘mind’ of the US government. Allende out Pinothet in etc etc How much more evidence do we need to know that the small countries and peoples of the world need to take more independent stances against such action by large states be they to the left or the right politically. Australia should free itself from over dependence on the US alliance and become a neutral country cooperating with its neighbours. Of course there will be consequences, look what happened to New Zealand when they took an anti neuclear stance. The USA does not mind if you stand for free speach as long as it agrees with their position. Let free speach continue and information be available. No more murder in Iraq or Afganistan covered up as military action.

  • Rev. Dr. Rivel Dumaine

    I call on the US governement to free this Army Bradley Manning serving on behalf of our country for freedom to shine around the world. Where do we stand for Democracy and the right of the US citizens to freely speak without fear and intimidation from Governement in any form? We are the greatest Country and superpower in the world; however, we are are become more maniac about life. We cannot take the freedom of individual away for fear  of leaking confidential inforamtion out to the public. How do we make the difference between our Democracy and authoritarian style government in other part of the world?  Ubited States must be example for other dictators that put freedom speakers and revealers in jail. United States must the voice for justice not for putting Citizen behind bars for revealing confidential informations.

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  • Rev. Dr. Rivel Dumaine

    I call on the US governement to free this Army Bradley Manning serving on behalf of our country for freedom to shine around the world. Where do we stand for Democracy and the right of the US citizens to freely speak without fear and intimidation from Governement in any form? We are the greatest Country and superpower in the world; however, we are are become more maniac about life. We cannot take the freedom of individual away for fear  of leaking confidential inforamtion out to the public. How do we make the difference between our Democracy and authoritarian style government in other part of the world?  Ubited States must be example for other dictators that put freedom speakers and revealers in jail. United States must the voice for justice not for putting Citizen behind bars for revealing confidential informations.

    Disiciple of Christ

  • Rev. Dr. Rivel Dumaine

    Where is the moral and ethical standard for the Democracy that we stand for? The Dictators and Authoritarian have the claim that their tortured prisoners who have linkend out classified informations. The United States the country that values life and freedom of speech must not have a double standard. It is understable that Mr. Bradley signed a contract to serve our country and represent the United States government and citizens to bring peace and freedom around the world; and he breached the code of the military. The question now is how do we say to North Korea, Iran, Syria  and other countries that tortured the violators of their classified and confidential inforamtions to stop torture their citizens. Does it make any sence where we ought to make a difference in the world for freedom of speech? The world must not sleep; the  revolution starts in London to a certain limit that the Prime Minister thinking about getting the arny to involve in cracking down the revolt. Democracy means people must be free of government intimidation. Democracy means that people can take the street anytime to express their feeling approval or disapproval. Democracy means that people must be able to speak out fear of being disappeared by foreign agents for revealing classified and confidential informations. If you think that you free; think again my people. The way it is, we are free until we zip and keep our mouth shut. Is that the freedom the Constitution gives? Is it for that we vote for  the officials? Mr. Bradley Manning must not isolate to military confinement. When can people speak consciously what they feel carry a burden to their heart?

    Sincerely,

    Rev. Dr. Rivel Dumaine

  • Rev. Dr. Rivel Dumaine

    Where is the moral and ethical standard for the Democracy that we stand for? The Dictators and Authoritarian have the claim that their tortured prisoners who have linkend out classified informations. The United States the country that values life and freedom of speech must not have a double standard. It is understable that Mr. Bradley signed a contract to serve our country and represent the United States government and citizens to bring peace and freedom around the world; and he breached the code of the military. The question now is how do we say to North Korea, Iran, Syria  and other countries that tortured the violators of their classified and confidential inforamtions to stop torture their citizens. Does it make any sence where we ought to make a difference in the world for freedom of speech? The world must not sleep; the  revolution starts in London to a certain limit that the Prime Minister thinking about getting the arny to involve in cracking down the revolt. Democracy means people must be free of government intimidation. Democracy means that people can take the street anytime to express their feeling approval or disapproval. Democracy means that people must be able to speak out fear of being disappeared by foreign agents for revealing classified and confidential informations. If you think that you free; think again my people. The way it is, we are free until we zip and keep our mouth shut. Is that the freedom the Constitution gives? Is it for that we vote for  the officials? Mr. Bradley Manning must not isolate to military confinement. When can people speak consciously what they feel carry a burden to their heart?

    Sincerely,

    Rev. Dr. Rivel Dumaine

  • Rev. Dr. Rivel Dumaine

    We must make the difference, and in some countries this kid will be executed without any concerns because they are dictators, authoritarian, pro-torture, anti -democracy, anti-justice, and barbarian. The United States of America is considered the father of Democracy that wanted to freedom and free speeech around the world. This is the reason we are not North Korea, Iran, Syria, nor Sudan ,so we must model the way for others in all situtations to portrait what we say that we are. Then it is unjustice to demand others dictator and barbarian countries to give feeedom and democracy to their people who wanted the same freedom  Mr. Bradley Minning is supposed to guarantee from. We are the United States of America where freedom and free speeech must be a guarantee for all citizens. This young man has being serving his country and the government then now suddently he has being placed in isolation. What will happen to our civilian world without the just knowledge. We must be vigilent.

    Sincerely,

    Rev. Dr. Rivel Dumaine

  • Rev. Dr. Rivel Dumaine

    We must make the difference, and in some countries this kid will be executed without any concerns because they are dictators, authoritarian, pro-torture, anti -democracy, anti-justice, and barbarian. The United States of America is considered the father of Democracy that wanted to freedom and free speeech around the world. This is the reason we are not North Korea, Iran, Syria, nor Sudan ,so we must model the way for others in all situtations to portrait what we say that we are. Then it is unjustice to demand others dictator and barbarian countries to give feeedom and democracy to their people who wanted the same freedom  Mr. Bradley Minning is supposed to guarantee from. We are the United States of America where freedom and free speeech must be a guarantee for all citizens. This young man has being serving his country and the government then now suddently he has being placed in isolation. What will happen to our civilian world without the just knowledge. We must be vigilent.

    Sincerely,

    Rev. Dr. Rivel Dumaine