11-Year-Old Boy Is The Youngest Person To Face A Life Sentence Without Parole

Jordan Brown poses for his school photo.

Jordan Brown poses for his school photo.

A Pennsylvanian boy, age 11, was arrested for shooting his father’s pregnant fianceé in her sleep. He is now this youngest person to face a life sentence without parole. The judge has been criticized for his decision to try the boy as an adult because he refused to plead guilty. Defense attorneys and human rights campaigners have argued that the judge’s decision violates the boy’s right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. The Raw Story reports:

Boy’s claim of innocence prompted judge to try him as adult

A Pennsylvania boy who was 11 years old when he allegedly shot and killed his father’s pregnant fiancee could find himself being the youngest person ever sentenced to life without parole.

Human rights campaigners have said the case shows the US’ justice system to be unusually harsh towards juvenile offenders, and argue that a life sentence for the boy could violate international law.

[Continues at The Raw Story]

305 Comments on "11-Year-Old Boy Is The Youngest Person To Face A Life Sentence Without Parole"

  1. Anonymous | Jan 28, 2011 at 12:26 am |

    “Boy’s claim of innocence prompted judge to try him as adult”

    Because that claim clearly showed an adult understanding of the situation?

  2. dumbsaint | Jan 27, 2011 at 8:26 pm |

    “Boy’s claim of innocence prompted judge to try him as adult”

    Because that claim clearly showed an adult understanding of the situation?

    • Phineushoolihan | Jan 28, 2011 at 10:27 am |

      Actually, yes. A plea of innocence demonstrates that the defendant is aware of the legal and moral ramifications of the alleged actions.

      If he is indeed innocent then the defense has their day in court to prove that out. If he is in fact guilty, then his denial illustrates that he knows he did something wrong enough to lie about it.

      • Please. A two-year old can point the finger at someone else or try to play innocent. And I’m not saying the boy definitely shouldn’t be executed or imprisoned for life. But an adult understanding of the situation? Not unless you’re including the mentally handicapped.

      • Have you ever been eleven?

      • … do you honestly believe that only someone who fully understands what they have done would plead innocent? A plea of innocence demonstrates that the accused does not want to get in trouble for it, which does not in and of itself mean they did it OR that they understood the penalties. And someone who doesn’t understand the charges or the consequences can just as easily plead guilty in the hopes of a lesser sentence.

  3. America! America!
    God shed His grace on thee……
    Cause you definitley need it.

  4. America! America!
    God shed His grace on thee……
    Cause you definitley need it.

  5. definitely
    …the devil made me do it

  6. E.B. Wolf | Jan 28, 2011 at 12:42 am |

    I’m shocked there are no police state apologists posting yet. There must be a big donut sale going on.

  7. E.B. Wolf | Jan 27, 2011 at 8:42 pm |

    I’m shocked there are no police state apologists posting yet. There must be a big donut sale going on.

  8. Wastlandindustrial | Jan 28, 2011 at 2:26 am |

    Do I have to say anything about an unstable 11 year old having access to a pistol? srysly?

  9. Wastlandindustrial | Jan 27, 2011 at 10:26 pm |

    Do I have to say anything about an unstable 11 year old having access to a pistol? srysly?

    • it’s a shotgun. A children’s shotgun. as in, a shotgun designed specifically for children to use. That this kid had free access to(from what I’ve read, could be wrong). Free access even after it was observed by adults in the family that he was unstable. So, yeah, wtf? and this is coming from someone who loves guns and has been shooting with young children before. Anyone who does this with a kid might as well be playing Russian roulette with the child and everyone around them.

  10. justagirl | Jan 28, 2011 at 5:19 am |

    wow. i bet that judge is like 100 years old. “yer gettin off easy sonny! why…back in my day…”

  11. justagirl | Jan 28, 2011 at 1:19 am |

    wow. i bet that judge is like 100 years old. “yer gettin off easy sonny! why…back in my day…”

  12. Bud Bundy | Jan 28, 2011 at 8:57 am |

    What?

  13. Bud Bundy | Jan 28, 2011 at 4:57 am |

    What?

  14. yeah, thats right. life without parole. anyone ever seen the Rob Zombie take on Micheal Myers? Jeez….

  15. yeah, thats right. life without parole. anyone ever seen the Rob Zombie take on Micheal Myers? Jeez….

  16. good! hang the little bastard

  17. good! hang the little bastard

  18. Javelinmason | Jan 28, 2011 at 2:22 pm |

    fake

  19. Javelinmason | Jan 28, 2011 at 10:22 am |

    fake

  20. Phineushoolihan | Jan 28, 2011 at 2:27 pm |

    Actually, yes. A plea of innocence demonstrates that the defendant is aware of the legal and moral ramifications of the alleged actions.

    If he is indeed innocent then the defense has their day in court to prove that out. If he is in fact guilty, then his denial illustrates that he knows he did something wrong enough to lie about it.

  21. guest who hates idiots | Jan 28, 2011 at 2:48 pm |

    your the type of person who brings kids like this in the world you fucktard

  22. Christ, you all squabble about pointless shit. HE KILLED A FUCKING PERSON. I don’t care if you’re young, old, female, male, both, black, white, anything….if you kill another person for any other reason other than to protect your own life, then you need to be killed. Period.

  23. Christ, you all squabble about pointless shit. HE KILLED A FUCKING PERSON. I don’t care if you’re young, old, female, male, both, black, white, anything….if you kill another person for any other reason other than to protect your own life, then you need to be killed. Period.

    • are you really that filled with hate?

      • Guest Again | Jan 28, 2011 at 1:41 pm |

        Um, even with the harsh tone of that post, I’m pretty sure his perspective has nothing to do with hate. The post below this one carries much more hate in it.

        There’s a difference between individual thoughts and the justice of society. The best known punishment (and determent) to murder is execution. Nothing hateful about that perspective, and the harshness of it often requires harsh words to get the point across.

        • Speaking as a psychologist, there is a HUGE difference between a child and an adult. He is eleven and at eleven there is still some “magical” thinking and no real understanding of permanent consequences. Even if this is done out of hate and malice, he doesn’t have the capacity to think through his actions. This is why in International Law it is illegal to commit a child to life in prison or execute a child.

          • Wow… so what about the rights of the woman killed, her unborn baby, and her two daughters left behind? Where are their rights?…
            And, again… if he had been hunting for years with his father and knew that the gun was used for KILLING why can’t anyone accept he knew what he was doing when he pulled the trigger?

          • anonymous | Jan 29, 2011 at 4:03 am |

            they don’t have any rights because they’re dead. And taking or ruining this child’s life does nothing for them.

          • Fernerimelo | Jan 31, 2011 at 10:07 pm |

            what about the other people that kill? the other murderers? should we not ruin there lives only because the “dead” have no “rights”? every one was born with rights, every one has rights dead or not.

          • PhilDeGrave | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:46 am |

            Oh, so you are a Therapist? The Rapist.

          • Thaoneguy | Jan 29, 2011 at 1:20 am |

            He couldn’t think through his actions? So he just magically killed this person? My friend has a Ph.D in psychology and even she thinks you are full of crap.

        • But do you think he though of being executed when shot her? Not a chance – I don’t think he was thinking of any of the consequences. So it is not a detriment. Try again.

      • If someone takes another life their life should be taken away from them, it’s a no brainer.

        • an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind… at 11 ears old the human brain isn’t even fully developed yet. im not saying he isn’t guilty… but I don’t think that trying him as an adult was a wise idea.

        • I’ve long found the term “no brainer” ironic. Just sayin’.

    • JakeOwens | Jan 28, 2011 at 7:45 pm |

      Yeah! Kill ’em! That’ll teach ’em how bad killing people is! And if they killed two people, lets kill ’em twice!

      • Sadlysmartxox | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:05 am |

        yo mann wtf? i was reading ur commentt , the kid doesnt know better, leave him alone

        • Rsmcfalls | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:12 am |

          the kid doesn’t know better? he is fucking 11 years old, he obviously knew what he was doing to be able to pick up a gun and pull the trigger at a pregnant women

      • LMAO that made my day.

    • E.B. Wolf | Jan 28, 2011 at 8:41 pm |

      Does that mean we need to kill the guards who carry out the execution? They’re certainly not in any life threatening danger.

    • hypocrite. what gives YOU the right if nobody else gets it?

    • Sandycouponmom | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:13 am |

      I guess that means we kill every soldier after the war ends right? I mean they killed people, and many of them where just innocent people caught in the crossfire

    • Wow, well, in case nobody else said it, an 11-year-old child is far from being cognitively developed. A child this age has little concept of morals, let alone the ability of self-control. Development of impulse-control and/or understanding of consequences can also be further prolonged if the child suffers from ” ADHD, Antisocial Personality Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, addiction, eating disorders and impulse control disorders.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_control#In_children_vs._adults) This is obviously why there is an international law against charging children as adults. The alarming part is that this child was neglected enough to develop feelings of jealousy, which resulted in this incident. I agree that it is unfortunate, but there is much more to address here. Fact is, nobody knows this child or what may have happened to trigger such a horrific event, and we aren’t just going to start changing laws to satisfy the public’s need for vengeance for an act that really has not affected the personal lives of anybody except for this family.

      • Would also like to add the questions: A) Why did the 11 year old have access to a gun? and B) Why did he feel it necessary to use the gun when threatened? And for all you gun-nuts, yeah, I had a gun when I was 11, but like responsible parents, mine kept it in a gun safe.

      • Thatoneguy | Jan 29, 2011 at 1:22 am |

        Well, hell, lets just let all kids run around offing whoever we want because they don’t know what they are doing. That is a huge load of crap and you know it.

        • So we should really teach those 11 year olds a lesson, huh? I hardly think kids are running around “offing whoever” right now. This kid probably still believes in the Boogeyman and Santa Claus. Get a grip.

      • These are great points, but there’s another facet: Do we want to pay for this person to be in jail for years and years, when even if he was let out into society, he might never ever do anything else that is wrong? There’s plenty of was of getting some sort of retribution, and if he’s got any concience and soul, he will do it on himself, like most people do. Further, it would also deny him any chance to atone (even if you aren’t religious, you will usually try to make up for any bad things you do).

        Eye for an Eye type mentality is Old Testament for a good reason: it doesn’t work.

    • Children this young aren’t capable of competency to fully understand or control their actions.

    • Scared of an 11 year old?, Paranoid much

  24. Aww, I love that cute little school picture they put up of him. I think this one tells the story a little better.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497986,00.html

  25. Aww, I love that cute little school picture they put up of him. I think this one tells the story a little better.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497986,00.html

    • XxzedleppelinxX | Jan 28, 2011 at 11:54 am |

      The picture you posted doesn’t make him look any more like a killer than his school picture (I know that was your intention), nice try. He just looks WAY more sad, like he’s been crying for hours (which I don’t doubt).

      • absolut420 | Jan 28, 2011 at 12:12 pm |

        pretty sure he was talking about how the story actually says the kid shot her and then hopped on the bus like everything was cool..and even talked to another kid about doing it. premeditated, ass. not the picture.

  26. He shot a pregnant woman in her sleep. Why the fuck should it matter that he’s eleven? If he’s willing to do that now, he’ll be doing even more fucked up stuff when he’s older.

  27. He shot a pregnant woman in her sleep. Why the fuck should it matter that he’s eleven? If he’s willing to do that now, he’ll be doing even more fucked up stuff when he’s older.

    • How can you be so sure? Do you know the kid’s history? Most offenders are not repeat offenders. But if you throw him in jail, where all he’ll see is violence, drugs and crime, if he ever comes out, he’ll definitely be more likely to offend.
      Do you really want to pay for him to be in jail all this time when you aren’t even sure?

  28. Well obviously there is a lot of back info we are NOT getting.. Did this kid have a history of violent behavior… ? Was he playing around? How did he GET The gun? Did he understand that guns can kill? 11 years old you should be asking these questions… the brain maturity of that age is NOT formed yet… and we live in a VERY gun nut society. To condemn this child without knowing all the facts is HORRIBLE.

    I blame the guns and the mentality around our gun culture.. We live in SUCH a puritanical authoritarian world anymore.. It is like Jean Valjean in Le Miserable stealing the loaf of bread to feed his family.. and the law coming down saying “LIFE IN PRISON.. THEFT OF ANY KIND IS EVIL”.. Zero Tolerance policies are stupid!…

  29. Well obviously there is a lot of back info we are NOT getting.. Did this kid have a history of violent behavior… ? Was he playing around? How did he GET The gun? Did he understand that guns can kill? 11 years old you should be asking these questions… the brain maturity of that age is NOT formed yet… and we live in a VERY gun nut society. To condemn this child without knowing all the facts is HORRIBLE.

    I blame the guns and the mentality around our gun culture.. We live in SUCH a puritanical authoritarian world anymore.. It is like Jean Valjean in Le Miserable stealing the loaf of bread to feed his family.. and the law coming down saying “LIFE IN PRISON.. THEFT OF ANY KIND IS EVIL”.. Zero Tolerance policies are stupid!…

    • Ironaddict06 | Jan 28, 2011 at 11:40 am |

      Your right. The poor little boy is now going to need foster parents-most likely. I’m sure his dad will always have the thought in the back of his mind, that any time he falls asleep, his little boy has the potential to kill. You should be kind enough to raise the poor little boy.

    • XxzedleppelinxX | Jan 28, 2011 at 11:52 am |

      Thank you! Finally a rational thinker! All of those questions really need to be looked at/answered before anyone should be able to condemn this kid. He might have brain abnormalities that are completely out of his control, which is much more common than you would think. The judge isn’t going to be able to get away with trying him as an adult, so it’s pretty pointless to get worked up about it.

      • an 8 year old in arizona has murdered his father and a co worker of his father. the judge in that case wants the death penalty, and judges from texas and florida want it also. american and justice…what happened to international law against trying children as adults?

    • Guest Again | Jan 28, 2011 at 1:46 pm |

      You were doing well until the part about blaming the “gun culture” rather than blaming the individuals directly involved in this case. If anything, the “gun nut” state of our society is a deterrent for gun crimes rather than a cause. Those who are brought up being taught about guns and integrated into the “gun culture” know that guns can kill, are very aware that killing is wrong, and are a lot less likely to commit gun crimes, be involved in gun accidents, etc.

      Unfortunately, those who are not raised in the “gun culture” only see the gun crimes, and thus make a false connection between that culture and those who commit gun crimes.

    • mommy of 2 | Jan 28, 2011 at 2:13 pm |

      Guns dont pull the trigger them selves, so there for the GUN isnt killing, if the boy is used to being arounds guns His father should have tought him to respect guns, If u are tough what a GUN does and U learn to RESPECT WHAT GUN does then u are fine, my son is 7 and has his first bb gun, then he was 6 and his sister were 8 they BOTH shot their first 22, its all on how the child is tought to be around gun and as long as they are tought to respect them, like i said GUNS dont kill people, its the person behind the Trigger,

      • When I was 12, my dad went through this survivalist phase. It was a dream come true for me. I got my own SW model 22a, regularly shot my grandpa’s m1 garand, learned to handle shotguns, and shot a full-auto mp5, all before I was 13. Recently, I went shooting with him and a friend of his with three children, all of whom had a proper respect for and knowledge of weapons, the youngest of whom is 8 and and can shoot an ar15 with better than average accuracy. Never are his kids in complete control of a firearm and never do they have access to one on their own, without close supervision. This was how I was raised as well, and, considering the many idiotic things I did as a teen, some of them cruel and dark and some of them just careless, I know that this was not a mistake. The risk of me hurting myself or someone else with a firearm was massively greater than me being helped or helping someone else with one.
        Whatever happens with this kid, his dad should be on trial for criminal negligence. His father’s carelessness has ended three lives.

    • I already replied but… how can you say that an eleven year old’s brain is not yet formed? He certainly had the intention and knowledge to get the gun from his room, with the intention of murder, and committed an unspeakable crime, than put the gun back in his room, hid the shell, and got on the bus with his step-sister and went to school…. he has been hunting with his father for years and knows damn well what guns are used for and he used it on an innocent person. He hid the evidence, so he must have known what he did was wrong. To not hold him responsible is a crime.
      To compare stealing bread to feed your family for survival and a boy killing his soon to be step-mother while she is sleeping with a gun is completely different and a ridiculous comparison. You can blame guns all you want but who’s to say it wouldn’t have been a knife or something else. This boy had the intention to kill. He just used what he had…
      There are many faces of evil… unfortunately.

      • Our brains aren’t fully developed until our mid-twenties, so if you’re stating that an 11 year-old boy has an adult, fully developed brain you need to get your facts straight.

        Yes, this boy should be punished – he murdered a woman and child. BUT, we need to look at some other facts here. We live in a society where violence and guns are highly glamorized, so it’s really not surprising. Perhaps this woman was abusive to him, we are quick to throw stones but we don’t know the full story. And why was the gun available to him? Instead of condemning the poor kid we should be seeing how he has been raised, what kind of mental problems he may/may not have, et cetera.

        I find it incredibly disturbing that so many people here believe the child deserves death. What if you were all the father or this kid? Of course it’s a horrifying situation but he has just as much of a right to live than the woman did. No two rights make a wrong, your mother always said it because it’s damn true.

    • Actually, he knew how guns work. The gun used was custom made for him, and he would often go hunting with his father. If you hunt, you have to understand the concept of death. These are facts that have been presented. And these are rather simple concepts.

      If brain maturity is not formed at 11, they why is it we allow children to dress provocatively, engage in violent behavior, and allow them do improper things? You did know that once upon a time, an 11 year old was once old enough to preform tasks we deem adult (and menial) only 100 years ago? Is the brain truely undeveloped, or should we believe that children are just idiots until their 30s (maybe even later)?

  30. Shut the fuck up he’s right. People like this need to be hung and gotten rid of so the world is better. You don’t eat rotten eggs right? Then we shouldn’t live with rotten people.

  31. Ironaddict06 | Jan 28, 2011 at 3:40 pm |

    Your right. The poor little boy is now going to need foster parents-most likely. I’m sure his dad will always have the thought in the back of his mind, that any time he falls asleep, his little boy has the potential to kill. You should be kind enough to raise the poor little boy.

  32. You need to examine your impulse to judge someone guilty (and perhaps have him executed) based on 13 lines of text. I hope you are shown more consideration the next time you are involved with the law.

  33. You need to examine your impulse to judge someone guilty (and perhaps have him executed) based on 13 lines of text. I hope you are shown more consideration the next time you are involved with the law.

  34. XxzedleppelinxX | Jan 28, 2011 at 3:52 pm |

    Thank you! Finally a rational thinker! All of those questions really need to be looked at/answered before anyone should be able to condemn this kid. He might have brain abnormalities that are completely out of his control, which is much more common than you would think. The judge isn’t going to be able to get away with trying him as an adult, so it’s pretty pointless to get worked up about it.

  35. XxzedleppelinxX | Jan 28, 2011 at 3:54 pm |

    The picture you posted doesn’t make him look any more like a killer than his school picture (I know that was your intention), nice try. He just looks WAY more sad, like he’s been crying for hours (which I don’t doubt).

  36. Ironaddict06 | Jan 28, 2011 at 3:55 pm |

    Yes, he should be sentenced to death, but he won’t. So if this boy does not get a life sentence, what message does that send? Make sure you murder before 18?

  37. Ironaddict06 | Jan 28, 2011 at 11:55 am |

    Yes, he should be sentenced to death, but he won’t. So if this boy does not get a life sentence, what message does that send? Make sure you murder before 18?

    • Yeah, because murderers look forwards to fifty or sixty years in prison.

    • Capt. America | Jan 28, 2011 at 10:01 pm |

      I completely agree…finally i see someone with a little common sense…except for the whole death sentence thing. He should go for life WITH parol…just in case he does have a change of heart

    • You think most murderers are thinking of the sentence before they do it? News flash.. no.
      For that matter, is the best way to send them to prison? Might there be other ways, like if they took out the breadwinner, they should be made pay $$? Isn’t that a worse punishment?

  38. Please. A two-year old can point the finger at someone else or try to play innocent. And I’m not saying the boy definitely shouldn’t be executed or imprisoned for life. But an adult understanding of the situation? Not unless you’re including the mentally handicapped.

  39. Yeah, because murderers look forwards to fifty or sixty years in prison.

  40. he murdered a woman and her unborn child. I consider that to be a heinous and unforgivable crime.
    also this kid is fucked in the head for life.

  41. he murdered a woman and her unborn child. I consider that to be a heinous and unforgivable crime.
    also this kid is fucked in the head for life.

  42. “Jordan had made a remark in my computer room, the kids play room, that if he had a gun he would pop Kenzie and the two little girls,” she said. “When it was addressed, Chris said his son would never say such a word.”
    -the murdered woman’s mother

  43. “Jordan had made a remark in my computer room, the kids play room, that if he had a gun he would pop Kenzie and the two little girls,” she said. “When it was addressed, Chris said his son would never say such a word.”
    -the murdered woman’s mother

  44. absolut420 | Jan 28, 2011 at 4:12 pm |

    pretty sure he was talking about how the story actually says the kid shot her and then hopped on the bus like everything was cool..and even talked to another kid about doing it. premeditated, ass. not the picture.

  45. I research the story a little bit and I have to say… I am shocked that people refuse to believe he should be held responsible for his actions. He intentionally murdered someone. If he had the capability to soot someone in the back of the head while they are sleeping he is capable to sit in jail for the rest of his life. He showed no remorse for what he did… he is a psychopathic walking bomb and he will get worse people, it doesn’t get better. Look up conductive disorder that leads to the personality disorder of a sociopath, psychopath in this case, he murdered. It’s terrible he decided to ruin lives, including his own.

  46. I research the story a little bit and I have to say… I am shocked that people refuse to believe he should be held responsible for his actions. He intentionally murdered someone. If he had the capability to soot someone in the back of the head while they are sleeping he is capable to sit in jail for the rest of his life. He showed no remorse for what he did… he is a psychopathic walking bomb and he will get worse people, it doesn’t get better. Look up conductive disorder that leads to the personality disorder of a sociopath, psychopath in this case, he murdered. It’s terrible he decided to ruin lives, including his own.

  47. I research the story a little bit and I have to say… I am shocked that people refuse to believe he should be held responsible for his actions. He intentionally murdered someone. If he had the capability to soot someone in the back of the head while they are sleeping he is capable to sit in jail for the rest of his life. He showed no remorse for what he did… he is a psychopathic walking bomb and he will get worse people, it doesn’t get better. Look up conductive disorder that leads to the personality disorder of a sociopath, psychopath in this case, he murdered. It’s terrible he decided to ruin lives, including his own.

    • An article said “He is then alleged to have got on the school bus and gone to his elementary school as usual.”

      Yep he’s a sociopath alright, I agree. He’ll only get worse, and do worse. The death penalty opens up alot of moral hypocritical dilemas, but sociopaths, especially violent ones, must be separated from society, they must be managed, so life incarceration would be the kindest thing for him, and for the rest of us.

  48. Crewroomer | Jan 28, 2011 at 5:03 pm |

    Burn him. so say all the UK

  49. Crewroomer | Jan 28, 2011 at 1:03 pm |

    Burn him. so say all the UK

    • I don’t think that’s a brutal enough punishment to be truly moral. Give him life in prison, and he’ll spend the rest of his life getting ass raped by the stronger inmates. Then we, as a society, will have proven our righteousness.

      • There are people in this world that claim to be intelligent – yet they hope that an 11 year-old boy gets raped.

        WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?

      • People get behind a keyboard and suddenly have no consideration for humanity. If you were face to face with this CHILD you wouldn’t be telling him he deserves to get raped.

    • wanker!

  50. He is a kid, you moron. Maybe he thought he was playing, who knows. he shouldn’t be tried as an adult

  51. Bottom Line..

    THE KID OWNED HIS OWN SHOT GUN….. THE FATHER PURCHASED A SHOTGUN FOR THE KID AT 11 years old…..

  52. Bottom Line..

    THE KID OWNED HIS OWN SHOT GUN….. THE FATHER PURCHASED A SHOTGUN FOR THE KID AT 11 years old…..

    • Bottom Line..

      I OWNED MY OWN GUN WELL BEFORE ELEVEN. MY FATHER PURCHASED IT FOR ME AT AGE 6.

      Have I ever shot anyone? Nope.

      it doesn’t matter how old he was when he got his first gun, the only thing that matters is knowing right from wrong, and if you don’t know that murder is wrong after eleven years on this Earth, there is something wrong with you that can only be cured by lethal injection. (and yes, Murder is wrong, except for murdering murderers.)

      • your father purchased you a shotgun at age 6? he must be the most fucked up person. SIX?! I’m surprised you didn’t shoot anyone. I’m not surprised at how stupid you are though, considering you most likely lived in some trailer park where rednecks shoot guns all day

        • PhilDeGrave | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:44 am |

          What is a “Redneck”? do you even know? And where are theses trailer parks where people shoot guns all day? They probably don’t exist. Just like your brain.

          • Anonymous | Jan 30, 2011 at 3:28 pm |

            I lived in a trailer park where police regularly showed up to tell the locals to stop firing bullets into the ground for practice. This was in New Mexico.

  53. are you really that filled with hate?

  54. “The shotgun, which apparently belonged to Brown, is designed for children and such weapons do not have to be registered, Bongivengo said.”

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497986,00.html#ixzz1CLrH8mCN

  55. “The shotgun, which apparently belonged to Brown, is designed for children and such weapons do not have to be registered, Bongivengo said.”

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497986,00.html#ixzz1CLrH8mCN

  56. Guest Again | Jan 28, 2011 at 5:41 pm |

    Um, even with the harsh tone of that post, I’m pretty sure his perspective has nothing to do with hate. The post below this one carries much more hate in it.

    There’s a difference between individual thoughts and the justice of society. The best known punishment (and determent) to murder is execution. Nothing hateful about that perspective, and the harshness of it often requires harsh words to get the point across.

  57. If someone takes another life their life should be taken away from them, it’s a no brainer.

  58. Anonymous | Jan 28, 2011 at 5:42 pm |

    Seems like this boy needs to be studied not just locked up.

  59. Seems like this boy needs to be studied not just locked up.

    • He needs to go to a facility for study and care of sociopaths. By care I mean just that, let to live in a nice environment, interviewed and MRI scanned by scientists for a deeper understanding, and kept well away from the public for the rest of his life.

      Some non-violent sociopaths should be separated from the public too as soon as we realise how their 4% cause most of our anguish in life. Even without violence, they still destroy ordinary people’s lives at whim, set them up for a fall emotionally, fraud them into homelessness, persuade someone to get addicted to drugs, help them destroy themselves. Not having a conscience because their brain has never and will never develop one, has to be managed like other forms of mental retardation are.

  60. YOU'REAMORON | Jan 28, 2011 at 5:43 pm |

    What kind of 11 year old thinks hes playing with a REAL gun in the middle of the night, goes into a bedroom, points at his fathers fiance and pulls the trigger? Yeah that’s really how kids are taught to play, he was obviously a vindictive little fucker who hated the woman obviously, jeez you’re the moron here.

  61. Guest Again | Jan 28, 2011 at 5:46 pm |

    You were doing well until the part about blaming the “gun culture” rather than blaming the individuals directly involved in this case. If anything, the “gun nut” state of our society is a deterrent for gun crimes rather than a cause. Those who are brought up being taught about guns and integrated into the “gun culture” know that guns can kill, are very aware that killing is wrong, and are a lot less likely to commit gun crimes, be involved in gun accidents, etc.

    Unfortunately, those who are not raised in the “gun culture” only see the gun crimes, and thus make a false connection between that culture and those who commit gun crimes.

  62. What is the point of LAWS if they are ignored for sake of emotion? What’s the point of having separate juvenile laws if you can just decide to ignore them for sake of emotion? If these are strictly emotional based reactionary decisions, then there is no need for a law at all. The point of the law is so this is NOT The case. So that all humans are treated equally as they all know the law. The law isn’t to try a child as an adult when they don’t plead guilty. THAT’S The main point. Let the courts argue if he is guilty or not. But the punishments are already established. Clearly the judge felt that the 11 year old emotionally upset him so much he felt the laws he devoted his life to were not good enough. This is BEFORE THE ACTUAL CASE THAT THE JUDGE IS SUPPOSED TO JUDGE…. He is supposed to judge EVIDENCE, not make decisions based on gut reactions to situations.

  63. What is the point of LAWS if they are ignored for sake of emotion? What’s the point of having separate juvenile laws if you can just decide to ignore them for sake of emotion? If these are strictly emotional based reactionary decisions, then there is no need for a law at all. The point of the law is so this is NOT The case. So that all humans are treated equally as they all know the law. The law isn’t to try a child as an adult when they don’t plead guilty. THAT’S The main point. Let the courts argue if he is guilty or not. But the punishments are already established. Clearly the judge felt that the 11 year old emotionally upset him so much he felt the laws he devoted his life to were not good enough. This is BEFORE THE ACTUAL CASE THAT THE JUDGE IS SUPPOSED TO JUDGE…. He is supposed to judge EVIDENCE, not make decisions based on gut reactions to situations.

    • E.B. Wolf | Jan 28, 2011 at 2:16 pm |

      The point is to erase any clear delineation between children, juveniles, and adults. That way, the state can treat adults as children. That’s also a big part of the reason there are so many middle-aged people acting like third graders in the U.S.

  64. mommy of 2 | Jan 28, 2011 at 6:13 pm |

    Guns dont pull the trigger them selves, so there for the GUN isnt killing, if the boy is used to being arounds guns His father should have tought him to respect guns, If u are tough what a GUN does and U learn to RESPECT WHAT GUN does then u are fine, my son is 7 and has his first bb gun, then he was 6 and his sister were 8 they BOTH shot their first 22, its all on how the child is tought to be around gun and as long as they are tought to respect them, like i said GUNS dont kill people, its the person behind the Trigger,

  65. E.B. Wolf | Jan 28, 2011 at 6:16 pm |

    The point is to erase any clear delineation between children, juveniles, and adults. That way, the state can treat adults as children. That’s also a big part of the reason there are so many middle-aged people acting like third graders in the U.S.

  66. Anonymous | Jan 28, 2011 at 6:17 pm |

    Speaking as a psychologist, there is a HUGE difference between a child and an adult. He is eleven and at eleven there is still some “magical” thinking and no real understanding of permanent consequences. Even if this is done out of hate and malice, he doesn’t have the capacity to think through his actions. This is why in International Law it is illegal to commit a child to life in prison or execute a child.

  67. So apparently you were in the bedroom the night it happened and you know everything about this kid’s life. And you are right, no eleven year old child has an imagination or is curious about gun 😐 For all we know he could have been playing. So, how about next time you decide to make a narrow-minded assumption you stop and think about the limitless factors that actually go into an event like this.

  68. Bottom Line..

    I OWNED MY OWN GUN WELL BEFORE ELEVEN. MY FATHER PURCHASED IT FOR ME AT AGE 6.

    Have I ever shot anyone? Nope.

    it doesn’t matter how old he was when he got his first gun, the only thing that matters is knowing right from wrong, and if you don’t know that murder is wrong after eleven years on this Earth, there is something wrong with you that can only be cured by lethal injection. (and yes, Murder is wrong, except for murdering murderers.)

  69. an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind… at 11 ears old the human brain isn’t even fully developed yet. im not saying he isn’t guilty… but I don’t think that trying him as an adult was a wise idea.

  70. Noneillathanme | Jan 28, 2011 at 6:38 pm |

    U sir/madam are retarded. You ever heard of human rights? more specifically child rights?
    I do not defend him for what he did, he is in fact guilty of murder, but his rights as a child need to be respected and therefore judged as one.
    Get educated.

  71. Noneillathanme | Jan 28, 2011 at 6:41 pm |

    This story by the way dates back to February 2009. He is also now 13 years old.

  72. WAA WAA WAAAAAAA | Jan 28, 2011 at 6:41 pm |

    Who the fuck is gonna miss one 11 year old kid anyways. Probably not enough people to fucking matter. Try him as an adult, throw him in prison. Best case scenario; Parents will see this as a reason to TEACH their children about the consequences of their actions, especially with weapons that can kill. Matter of fact, the father just as guilty for having an accessible firearm that his kid hasn’t been taught to use and respect?

    In short, all you human activist peckerheads need to get over the fact that the world is full of shitty people and those people need to go away. Hugs don’t solve shit.

  73. Noneillathanme | Jan 28, 2011 at 6:45 pm |

    Are you aware that there are internationally recognized child rights and that the USA and Somalia are the only ones who don’t actually adhere to these?
    What about a child’s right to education? or health?
    He is in fact guilty, but needs to be tried as a child, not an adult.

  74. You’re a fucking idiot. Please don’t reproduce.

  75. I could not have said that better my self. Hear Hear!

  76. So you’re a good person?

  77. Have you ever been eleven?

  78. I’ve long found the term “no brainer” ironic. Just sayin’.

  79. The only point to trying someone as a child is if that they can usually be rehabilitated
    If by eleven he doesn’t understand that it is not ok to shoot a woman in the fucking face, then he’s probably a lost cause.

  80. Do you know what would happen to that kid in Australia. Nothing! People in Australia can gang rape and get away with it scott free. Murder and be put on a suspended sentence after being charged with grievous bodily harm. Rape, murder, dismember a person and refuse to plead guilty and be out of jail in 5 years. Needless to say we have people all over Australia that will murder others or harm others knowing nothing will happen to them. I admire Americas tough stance on crime.

  81. Do you know what would happen to that kid in Australia. Nothing! People in Australia can gang rape and get away with it scott free. Murder and be put on a suspended sentence after being charged with grievous bodily harm. Rape, murder, dismember a person and refuse to plead guilty and be out of jail in 5 years. Needless to say we have people all over Australia that will murder others or harm others knowing nothing will happen to them. I admire Americas tough stance on crime.

    • That’s not the Australia I remember. I lived there for a while and Aussies seemed to be a fairly conservative bunch and not shy about stamping out crime.

    • that’s because when Britain found Australia, they shipped all of they’re criminals there. Australia is just full of British criminals

  82. you fucking hippy. “Magical” thinking at age 11? I wasn’t batshit crazy enough to think killing someone was ok when I was that age, and don’t think most people were either. Speaking as a psychologist, your point is invalid, because you work in an invalid field.

  83. Anonymous | Jan 28, 2011 at 9:20 pm |

    Can an 11 year old comprehend malice? I think not .. case closed.

  84. Can an 11 year old comprehend malice? I think not .. case closed.

  85. Send him up the river!

  86. Send him up the river!

  87. Anonymous | Jan 28, 2011 at 9:23 pm |

    That’s not the Australia I remember. I lived there for a while and Aussies seemed to be a fairly conservative bunch and not shy about stamping out crime.

  88. seriously? get a fucking clue and stop being a perfect middle class twat. tell that to the woman and her dead baby “ohh hes just a child he didnt know what hes doing” are you saying that on someones eighteenth birthday they have a moment of enlightenment and think fuck me murder is wrong what have i been doing all these years! try living in the real world and get a grip.

  89. Wow. An anonymous person calls a psychologist a “fucking hippy.” Clearly you are not an expert on maturity.

    Did you hit the Like button on your own comment?

  90. your father purchased you a shotgun at age 6? he must be the most fucked up person. SIX?! I’m surprised you didn’t shoot anyone. I’m not surprised at how stupid you are though, considering you most likely lived in some trailer park where rednecks shoot guns all day

  91. I don’t know who you are but you can’t be anyone important because the cerebral cortex has developed in the slightest. (which is what determines decision making) Yes what the boy does was wrong and he should be punished with immense therapy to find out what provoked this action. Next time you decide to comment any post know what you’re talking about. Its embarrassing for both yourself and the reader who has to see it.

  92. Anonymous | Jan 28, 2011 at 10:22 pm |

    This child is a canary in the coal mine. As is the person who posted above.

  93. I don’t think that’s a brutal enough punishment to be truly moral. Give him life in prison, and he’ll spend the rest of his life getting ass raped by the stronger inmates. Then we, as a society, will have proven our righteousness.

  94. I already replied but… how can you say that an eleven year old’s brain is not yet formed? He certainly had the intention and knowledge to get the gun from his room, with the intention of murder, and committed an unspeakable crime, than put the gun back in his room, hid the shell, and got on the bus with his step-sister and went to school…. he has been hunting with his father for years and knows damn well what guns are used for and he used it on an innocent person. He hid the evidence, so he must have known what he did was wrong. To not hold him responsible is a crime.
    To compare stealing bread to feed your family for survival and a boy killing his soon to be step-mother while she is sleeping with a gun is completely different and a ridiculous comparison. You can blame guns all you want but who’s to say it wouldn’t have been a knife or something else. This boy had the intention to kill. He just used what he had…
    There are many faces of evil… unfortunately.

  95. I think that it’s really sad that supposedly educated people would think to apply the same degree of accountability to an eleven year old as to an adult. If we were to take this a step further perhaps if a five year old managed to get a gun and somehow kill someone… they should be imprisoned for life? I doubt that the child bought the gun, or that gun was stored securely and the ammunition properly locked in a separate place. This tragedy was one that could have simply been avoided. Better, I guess if you set a precedent; you might really help build up the US prison population. After all, why should the US be second to any other country in the number of their nationals that they imprison. I might add that it shows great maturity to suggest that capitol punishment would be appropriate. If the child were to get caught stealing should we have their hand cut off?

  96. I think that it’s really sad that supposedly educated people would think to apply the same degree of accountability to an eleven year old as to an adult. If we were to take this a step further perhaps if a five year old managed to get a gun and somehow kill someone… they should be imprisoned for life? I doubt that the child bought the gun, or that gun was stored securely and the ammunition properly locked in a separate place. This tragedy was one that could have simply been avoided. Better, I guess if you set a precedent; you might really help build up the US prison population. After all, why should the US be second to any other country in the number of their nationals that they imprison. I might add that it shows great maturity to suggest that capitol punishment would be appropriate. If the child were to get caught stealing should we have their hand cut off?

  97. No, he wasn’t “playing” if you read some of the back stories he had been hunting with his father for years and knew how to shoot a gun and that it killed. He had multiples guns in his room. Who the fuck pretends to shoot people in the back of the head while their sleeping?! Seriously… that’s playing?

  98. Wow… so what about the rights of the woman killed, her unborn baby, and her two daughters left behind? Where are their rights?…
    And, again… if he had been hunting for years with his father and knew that the gun was used for KILLING why can’t anyone accept he knew what he was doing when he pulled the trigger?

  99. Anonymous | Jan 28, 2011 at 10:44 pm |

    Um yes guns don’t kill, people kill. But people without guns cannot shoot people either – and I dont’ think a vicious poking could do as much damage as a gun. This coming from a culture where the mother can be forced to go back to work 2 weeks after her baby is born. Maybe a deeper socioeconomic problem at work…..

  100. Anonymous | Jan 28, 2011 at 6:44 pm |

    Um yes guns don’t kill, people kill. But people without guns cannot shoot people either – and I dont’ think a vicious poking could do as much damage as a gun. This coming from a culture where the mother can be forced to go back to work 2 weeks after her baby is born. Maybe a deeper socioeconomic problem at work…..

  101. exactly dude like seriously. HE FUCKING SHOT A PREGNANT WOMAN. so they compain that his trial was unjust. fuck off assholes

  102. JakeOwens | Jan 28, 2011 at 11:45 pm |

    Yeah! Kill ’em! That’ll teach ’em how bad killing people is! And if they killed two people, lets kill ’em twice!

  103. Our brains aren’t fully developed until our mid-twenties, so if you’re stating that an 11 year-old boy has an adult, fully developed brain you need to get your facts straight.

    Yes, this boy should be punished – he murdered a woman and child. BUT, we need to look at some other facts here. We live in a society where violence and guns are highly glamorized, so it’s really not surprising. Perhaps this woman was abusive to him, we are quick to throw stones but we don’t know the full story. And why was the gun available to him? Instead of condemning the poor kid we should be seeing how he has been raised, what kind of mental problems he may/may not have, et cetera.

    I find it incredibly disturbing that so many people here believe the child deserves death. What if you were all the father or this kid? Of course it’s a horrifying situation but he has just as much of a right to live than the woman did. No two rights make a wrong, your mother always said it because it’s damn true.

  104. There are people in this world that claim to be intelligent – yet they hope that an 11 year-old boy gets raped.

    WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?

  105. I understand his rights as a child should be taken into account, however, at age 11 you can differentiate between what is right and wrong. No offence, but I don’t understand why it is that Americans think that a child at age 11 should be treated like a baby. In England, you enter your first year of Secondary School, and you start gaining little bits of independence. He should be free until he’s old enough to be tried, and then start a sentence. In terms of being put in prison at 11, at least let him have a decent education. In my opinion, it’s a ridiculous idea to not ban guns in the first place, maybe this shit wouldn’t happen.

  106. I understand his rights as a child should be taken into account, however, at age 11 you can differentiate between what is right and wrong. No offence, but I don’t understand why it is that Americans think that a child at age 11 should be treated like a baby. In England, you enter your first year of Secondary School, and you start gaining little bits of independence. He should be free until he’s old enough to be tried, and then start a sentence. In terms of being put in prison at 11, at least let him have a decent education. In my opinion, it’s a ridiculous idea to not ban guns in the first place, maybe this shit wouldn’t happen.

  107. Onelasttime77 | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:01 am |

    This is ridiculous!! A crime has taken place here and we as Americans only add fire to the cause and argue points that we have no right to argue over. We have judges in place to make rulings of the law (whether we agree with them or not {if you dont like the ruling become a judge and make the change}) What good comes from arguing over a 2 year old story? Why would you allow yourself to get worked up over an issue that you have no control over? People kill people daily!!! Not just here but everywhere. Get use to it. It wont change. You think that by having an eleven year old tried as an adult will change the way society teaches their kids? This story will headline and then drop off the face of the earth and be forgotten about. Will you remember this story in 1 year? 2 years? 3? Focus on something different. What can you change in your life today to make it better? what can you do differently to change things for the best? YOU!! What can YOU do? Arguing this topic WILL NOT change anything!!! Control YOUR life and if its not working BE THE CHANGE!! Change things, Make them better for you and your surroundings, better for your neighbors, better for your parents, kids, aunts, uncles, and complete strangers.

  108. Onelasttime77 | Jan 28, 2011 at 8:01 pm |

    This is ridiculous!! A crime has taken place here and we as Americans only add fire to the cause and argue points that we have no right to argue over. We have judges in place to make rulings of the law (whether we agree with them or not {if you dont like the ruling become a judge and make the change}) What good comes from arguing over a 2 year old story? Why would you allow yourself to get worked up over an issue that you have no control over? People kill people daily!!! Not just here but everywhere. Get use to it. It wont change. You think that by having an eleven year old tried as an adult will change the way society teaches their kids? This story will headline and then drop off the face of the earth and be forgotten about. Will you remember this story in 1 year? 2 years? 3? Focus on something different. What can you change in your life today to make it better? what can you do differently to change things for the best? YOU!! What can YOU do? Arguing this topic WILL NOT change anything!!! Control YOUR life and if its not working BE THE CHANGE!! Change things, Make them better for you and your surroundings, better for your neighbors, better for your parents, kids, aunts, uncles, and complete strangers.

  109. chrondeezlodorf | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:02 am |

    why not make him the youngest person to be executed? he won’t grow up to be a normal person so might as well just put him down like a rabid dog. I hate how people try to say cold blooded killers need rights and blah blah.

  110. chrondeezlodorf | Jan 28, 2011 at 8:02 pm |

    why not make him the youngest person to be executed? he won’t grow up to be a normal person so might as well just put him down like a rabid dog. I hate how people try to say cold blooded killers need rights and blah blah.

    • Of course you can see the future and you know exactly how he will be when he grows up.

  111. Define “normal”? Ever thought that someone who kills another isn’t actually “retarded”? Perhaps they just really hate someone? Hatred is a natural emotion which unfortunately is present. Do you think the people who instigated 9/11 are “retarded”? No, they’re really fucking clever. I don’t agree at all, it’s disgusting, but they are really clever. Hitler was evil but also fiercely intelligent. Some fucking backwards country. You may have all the sky scrapers and whatnot but mentally you’re all still living in the 1800s. I thought your country was founded on the basis of freedom?

  112. Define “normal”? Ever thought that someone who kills another isn’t actually “retarded”? Perhaps they just really hate someone? Hatred is a natural emotion which unfortunately is present. Do you think the people who instigated 9/11 are “retarded”? No, they’re really fucking clever. I don’t agree at all, it’s disgusting, but they are really clever. Hitler was evil but also fiercely intelligent. Some fucking backwards country. You may have all the sky scrapers and whatnot but mentally you’re all still living in the 1800s. I thought your country was founded on the basis of freedom?

    • I disagree that hatred is far from being “natural,” in the sense that it may somehow be justifiable. It’s a response to being threatened, in whatever way, or essentially a feeling of powerlessness or inferiority. A hateful person tells a lot about themselves without knowing it.

  113. Just ban guns?

  114. wanker!

  115. It’s not intelligence, it’s common sense.

  116. E.B. Wolf | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:37 am |

    Get your sarcasm sensor serviced.

  117. E.B. Wolf | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:41 am |

    Does that mean we need to kill the guards who carry out the execution? They’re certainly not in any life threatening danger.

  118. E.B. Wolf | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:41 am |

    Does that mean we need to kill the guards who carry out the execution? They’re certainly not in any life threatening danger.

  119. disinformation,never happened

  120. wake up yankee dunces

  121. Ward_of_fire | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:53 am |

    Therapy? Next thing you know you’ll be saying give him drugs, but not those dangerous street kind, the even more dangerous government medical kind right? Stuff that is just as addicting, if not more so, than the street drugs? You know thats what they will do, oh he has these problems, give him these drugs, most of which are made from street drugs, but with more pep! All therapy will do is mess the kid up more, I’ve gone through it, tried to kill myself because of it, so next time you post, maybe you should know what you arte talking about.

  122. Capt. America | Jan 29, 2011 at 2:01 am |

    I completely agree…finally i see someone with a little common sense…except for the whole death sentence thing. He should go for life WITH parol…just in case he does have a change of heart

  123. Capt. America | Jan 29, 2011 at 2:01 am |

    I completely agree…finally i see someone with a little common sense…except for the whole death sentence thing. He should go for life WITH parol…just in case he does have a change of heart

  124. hypocrite. what gives YOU the right if nobody else gets it?

  125. Miryobrighteyes | Jan 29, 2011 at 2:08 am |

    I love how so many have commented on this just now I just “stumbled upon” it myself

    banning guns will do no one any good, in fact in will have the opposite effect. Taking away a constitutional right will just piss people off, leading to more violent crimes.

    this kid murdered someone and should be tried as a murderer, not an adult or child. but death, death means there is NO chance for rehabilitation, not that he can be but shouldn’t he get the chance? life in prison that is a terrible sentence for a terrible crime. killing a killer doesn’t un-kill. and I see no real justice in it.who does it make feel better? next to no one. we don’t know this kids story we don’t know there wasn’t abuse, what we do know is this kid murdered someone and had full access to his gun, I believe in guns, I believe in your right to own one, but I also believe it should be in a safe when not in use, no I’m not saying the gun in this safe would have stopped this crime because who ever posted that if he didn’t have a gun he would have used a knife I’m with you that is all very possible. but we don’t know all the details and we aren’t on the jury. I agree with Onelasttime77 lets do what we can to enrich our lives our families lives and raise our children to the best ability we can, give them all the tools to know right from wrong and how to make good decisions, because that is all we can hope for. let the courts take care of this and all the crimes like it because lets face in child murders are happening more and more and maybe we should look to ourselves and the parents around us and figure out what is happening to our society. because something has got to change and no one can do it for us

  126. Miryobrighteyes | Jan 28, 2011 at 10:08 pm |

    I love how so many have commented on this just now I just “stumbled upon” it myself

    banning guns will do no one any good, in fact in will have the opposite effect. Taking away a constitutional right will just piss people off, leading to more violent crimes.

    this kid murdered someone and should be tried as a murderer, not an adult or child. but death, death means there is NO chance for rehabilitation, not that he can be but shouldn’t he get the chance? life in prison that is a terrible sentence for a terrible crime. killing a killer doesn’t un-kill. and I see no real justice in it.who does it make feel better? next to no one. we don’t know this kids story we don’t know there wasn’t abuse, what we do know is this kid murdered someone and had full access to his gun, I believe in guns, I believe in your right to own one, but I also believe it should be in a safe when not in use, no I’m not saying the gun in this safe would have stopped this crime because who ever posted that if he didn’t have a gun he would have used a knife I’m with you that is all very possible. but we don’t know all the details and we aren’t on the jury. I agree with Onelasttime77 lets do what we can to enrich our lives our families lives and raise our children to the best ability we can, give them all the tools to know right from wrong and how to make good decisions, because that is all we can hope for. let the courts take care of this and all the crimes like it because lets face in child murders are happening more and more and maybe we should look to ourselves and the parents around us and figure out what is happening to our society. because something has got to change and no one can do it for us

  127. He should be punished with therapy? Yeah that’s great, fake your way through therapy then join the real world in a few years. He murdered a pregnant women in her sleep and you think he should talk about his feelings? What a nice slap on the wrist. Get a grip on reality, he needs more than therapy.

    P.S. What is really embarrassing is all of the grammar mistakes you made in your paragraph…I’d much rather read what the other gentlemen said.

  128. Probably.

  129. Tgrayson05 | Jan 29, 2011 at 2:58 am |

    our judgement centers in our brains don’t fully develope until we are 25. he is just a baby.

  130. Tgrayson05 | Jan 28, 2011 at 10:58 pm |

    our judgement centers in our brains don’t fully develope until we are 25. he is just a baby.

  131. Alan Thick | Jan 29, 2011 at 3:00 am |

    11 year olds in this day and age know what they’re doing, first off.

    His thought process probably went like this “She grounded me from playing Sonic for telling some kid to fuck off when he tried to grab my cell phone at school, this’ll make her go away and stop trying to be my mommy.”

    The age of innocence is younger with each passing generation, all over the world, because of our growing narcissism on the whole. Who’s to blame? We all are. Poor lil guy never had a chance, but I’d wager that he knew what he was doing. Making her, and the baby, go away.

    And screw international law. Screw it up the butt.

  132. Alan Thick | Jan 28, 2011 at 11:00 pm |

    11 year olds in this day and age know what they’re doing, first off.

    His thought process probably went like this “She grounded me from playing Sonic for telling some kid to fuck off when he tried to grab my cell phone at school, this’ll make her go away and stop trying to be my mommy.”

    The age of innocence is younger with each passing generation, all over the world, because of our growing narcissism on the whole. Who’s to blame? We all are. Poor lil guy never had a chance, but I’d wager that he knew what he was doing. Making her, and the baby, go away.

    And screw international law. Screw it up the butt.

    • “She grounded me from playing Sonic for telling some kid to fuck off when he tried to grab my cell phone at school, this’ll make her go away and stop trying to be my mommy.”

      Yeah, that’s a perfect example of someone who knows what they’re doing.

    • “This day and age” doesn’t make their brains grow faster.

  133. Oh for fucks sake, we don’t even know if the kid did it. He is being tried, not convicted of it, or do most of you take to the idea that people are guilty until proven innocent? Not to mention the fact that plenty of countries with far less harsh criminal justice systems have lower instances of crime, just pointing that out.

  134. Oh for fucks sake, we don’t even know if the kid did it. He is being tried, not convicted of it, or do most of you take to the idea that people are guilty until proven innocent? Not to mention the fact that plenty of countries with far less harsh criminal justice systems have lower instances of crime, just pointing that out.

  135. Whoa, people are getting heated about this. You need to stand back, put your emotions aside, and think about how judicial precedent works. What kind of country puts children to death? A barbaric, uncivilized country.

    Now I don’t disagree with him getting a life sentence if he’s found guilty, but without the possibility of parole? He’s eleven, dudes and ladies: he has a LOT of time to change. How different are you now from the time you were eleven?

    Here’s an anecdote to illustrate my point, and before I get started, disclaimer: I don’t want to hear a dozen whiners talking about how animals aren’t people and I must worship animals and think they’re better than people, ad infinitum. If you don’t know about the mountain of studies showing a connection between abuse of animals and abuse of people, go read a few and get back to me. Anyway: my father, when he was nine or ten, had a BB gun. He used it primarily to shoot songbirds, and over the course of owning this gun, he shot hundreds of them. By the time he became a young man, he realized this behavior was destructive and decided not only to stop, but atone for his wrongdoing. He is now a passionate advocate for wildlife preservation and has a backyard full of birds who enjoy the food, water, and shelter he provides for them.

    In summary, give people a chance.

  136. Whoa, people are getting heated about this. You need to stand back, put your emotions aside, and think about how judicial precedent works. What kind of country puts children to death? A barbaric, uncivilized country.

    Now I don’t disagree with him getting a life sentence if he’s found guilty, but without the possibility of parole? He’s eleven, dudes and ladies: he has a LOT of time to change. How different are you now from the time you were eleven?

    Here’s an anecdote to illustrate my point, and before I get started, disclaimer: I don’t want to hear a dozen whiners talking about how animals aren’t people and I must worship animals and think they’re better than people, ad infinitum. If you don’t know about the mountain of studies showing a connection between abuse of animals and abuse of people, go read a few and get back to me. Anyway: my father, when he was nine or ten, had a BB gun. He used it primarily to shoot songbirds, and over the course of owning this gun, he shot hundreds of them. By the time he became a young man, he realized this behavior was destructive and decided not only to stop, but atone for his wrongdoing. He is now a passionate advocate for wildlife preservation and has a backyard full of birds who enjoy the food, water, and shelter he provides for them.

    In summary, give people a chance.

  137. “She grounded me from playing Sonic for telling some kid to fuck off when he tried to grab my cell phone at school, this’ll make her go away and stop trying to be my mommy.”

    Yeah, that’s a perfect example of someone who knows what they’re doing.

  138. Sadlysmartxox | Jan 29, 2011 at 4:05 am |

    yo mann wtf? i was reading ur commentt , the kid doesnt know better, leave him alone

  139. BetterWorldWithoutUSA | Jan 29, 2011 at 4:06 am |

    American’s are worthless scum but looks like they finally did something right.

  140. BetterWorldWithoutUSA | Jan 29, 2011 at 12:06 am |

    American’s are worthless scum but looks like they finally did something right.

  141. It’s common sense for an adult to recommend that an 11 year old boy get raped?

  142. i say put him in jail, more like put him through prison for 8 months see what is left of him.

  143. LMAO that made my day.

  144. Rsmcfalls | Jan 29, 2011 at 4:12 am |

    the kid doesn’t know better? he is fucking 11 years old, he obviously knew what he was doing to be able to pick up a gun and pull the trigger at a pregnant women

  145. Sandycouponmom | Jan 29, 2011 at 4:13 am |

    I guess that means we kill every soldier after the war ends right? I mean they killed people, and many of them where just innocent people caught in the crossfire

  146. Sandycouponmom | Jan 29, 2011 at 4:13 am |

    I guess that means we kill every soldier after the war ends right? I mean they killed people, and many of them where just innocent people caught in the crossfire

  147. Sadlysmartxox | Jan 29, 2011 at 4:13 am |

    but still maybe she was a bitch and thought she was getting fat.

  148. Sadlysmartxox | Jan 29, 2011 at 4:13 am |

    but still maybe she was a bitch and thought she was getting fat.

  149. that’s because when Britain found Australia, they shipped all of they’re criminals there. Australia is just full of British criminals

  150. Wow, well, in case nobody else said it, an 11-year-old child is far from being cognitively developed. A child this age has little concept of morals, let alone the ability of self-control. Development of impulse-control and/or understanding of consequences can also be further prolonged if the child suffers from ” ADHD, Antisocial Personality Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, addiction, eating disorders and impulse control disorders.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_control#In_children_vs._adults) This is obviously why there is an international law against charging children as adults. The alarming part is that this child was neglected enough to develop feelings of jealousy, which resulted in this incident. I agree that it is unfortunate, but there is much more to address here. Fact is, nobody knows this child or what may have happened to trigger such a horrific event, and we aren’t just going to start changing laws to satisfy the public’s need for vengeance for an act that really has not affected the personal lives of anybody except for this family.

  151. Would also like to add the questions: A) Why did the 11 year old have access to a gun? and B) Why did he feel it necessary to use the gun when threatened? And for all you gun-nuts, yeah, I had a gun when I was 11, but like responsible parents, mine kept it in a gun safe.

  152. “This day and age” doesn’t make their brains grow faster.

  153. PhilDeGrave | Jan 29, 2011 at 4:44 am |

    What is a “Redneck”? do you even know? And where are theses trailer parks where people shoot guns all day? They probably don’t exist. Just like your brain.

  154. PhilDeGrave | Jan 29, 2011 at 4:46 am |

    Oh, so you are a Therapist? The Rapist.

  155. There are too many people in this world as it is. Why is every life so damned precious? I wonder what kind of confused thoughts are going through the Christian Right’s mind right now.. “well, he killed an unborn fetus, that makes him an elitist baby killer, execute him! But on the other hand…..” Every kid is not a good kid… which explains why so many grow up to be bad people. Nip him now.

  156. People get behind a keyboard and suddenly have no consideration for humanity. If you were face to face with this CHILD you wouldn’t be telling him he deserves to get raped.

  157. This person is obviously a self-loathing American. 🙂

  158. If societies treated every person like trash, you would not be alive today. Be thankful that your country deems your life to be so precious, you ass.

  159. I disagree that hatred is far from being “natural,” in the sense that it may somehow be justifiable. It’s a response to being threatened, in whatever way, or essentially a feeling of powerlessness or inferiority. A hateful person tells a lot about themselves without knowing it.

  160. Psychology is a science and therefore it IS a valid field. Get your facts straight.

  161. Whoops! -that

  162. Of course you can see the future and you know exactly how he will be when he grows up.

  163. Thatoneguy | Jan 29, 2011 at 5:18 am |

    No it isn’t, get YOUR facts straight. Its a pseudo science at best.

  164. Thaoneguy | Jan 29, 2011 at 5:20 am |

    He couldn’t think through his actions? So he just magically killed this person? My friend has a Ph.D in psychology and even she thinks you are full of crap.

  165. To be a science, you need to abide by the scientific method. Psychology does this. I know because I’m majoring in it, so yes, I actually do have my facts straight thank you very much. And I will have a degree to prove it very soon.

  166. Thatoneguy | Jan 29, 2011 at 5:22 am |

    Well, hell, lets just let all kids run around offing whoever we want because they don’t know what they are doing. That is a huge load of crap and you know it.

  167. So we should really teach those 11 year olds a lesson, huh? I hardly think kids are running around “offing whoever” right now. This kid probably still believes in the Boogeyman and Santa Claus. Get a grip.

  168. Actually, he knew how guns work. The gun used was custom made for him, and he would often go hunting with his father. If you hunt, you have to understand the concept of death. These are facts that have been presented. And these are rather simple concepts.

    If brain maturity is not formed at 11, they why is it we allow children to dress provocatively, engage in violent behavior, and allow them do improper things? You did know that once upon a time, an 11 year old was once old enough to preform tasks we deem adult (and menial) only 100 years ago? Is the brain truely undeveloped, or should we believe that children are just idiots until their 30s (maybe even later)?

  169. Eueopeans need to understand the incorrectness of Greengrocer’s Apostrophes.

  170. When I was 12, my dad went through this survivalist phase. It was a dream come true for me. I got my own SW model 22a, regularly shot my grandpa’s m1 garand, learned to handle shotguns, and shot a full-auto mp5, all before I was 13. Recently, I went shooting with him and a friend of his with three children, all of whom had a proper respect for and knowledge of weapons, the youngest of whom is 8 and and can shoot an ar15 with better than average accuracy. Never are his kids in complete control of a firearm and never do they have access to one on their own, without close supervision. This was how I was raised as well, and, considering the many idiotic things I did as a teen, some of them cruel and dark and some of them just careless, I know that this was not a mistake. The risk of me hurting myself or someone else with a firearm was massively greater than me being helped or helping someone else with one.
    Whatever happens with this kid, his dad should be on trial for criminal negligence. His father’s carelessness has ended three lives.

  171. Jtdavila69 | Jan 29, 2011 at 7:51 am |

    Did you proofread your post? By age 8, an individual possesses 90% of their intellectual capacity. He made a concerted DECISION, no problem there. What he lacked was impulse control and a shred of decency. If he is not mentally impaired, an 11 year old knows KILLING IS WRONG AND PERMANENT. Life has consequences and so does death.

  172. anonymous | Jan 29, 2011 at 8:01 am |

    Dude, shut down ur ego a little bit. Just cuz something doesn’t work for you, doesn’t mean it can’t help someone else. I’ve gone through therapy as well, and actually it fucked me up more than helped me at the time. Hell, the pills that cunt shoved down my throat day after day made me attempt suicide three times. But I know several people who wouldn’t be here today without therapy. Same goes for the drugs. They fuck most people up, but they balance some people out.

  173. anonymous | Jan 29, 2011 at 8:03 am |

    they don’t have any rights because they’re dead. And taking or ruining this child’s life does nothing for them.

  174. Once upon a time,12 years old was the limit to children not knowing what their actions meant. A twelve year old girl who used perverted men for her games changed that (I know, it’s a little backwards, but research it a little). Now it has been redefined that as of age 2, humans can not comprehend the future implications of their actions. I agree with this. He shot her, and he knew it would end whatever problem she represented. Failure to properly guide children on their choices should not prevent justice from being served.

  175. Once upon a time,12 years old was the limit to children not knowing what their actions meant. A twelve year old girl who used perverted men for her games changed that (I know, it’s a little backwards, but research it a little). Now it has been redefined that as of age 2, humans can not comprehend the future implications of their actions. I agree with this. He shot her, and he knew it would end whatever problem she represented. Failure to properly guide children on their choices should not prevent justice from being served.

  176. well why wasn’t the gun locked away, bullets removed, and out of the kids reach?

  177. well why wasn’t the gun locked away, bullets removed, and out of the kids reach?

  178. Anonymous | Jan 29, 2011 at 11:16 am |

    Who “killed a fucking person”? Are you judge and jury sitting in judgment of a boy who is only ACCUSED of this deed? Remember the phrase ‘Innocent until PROVEN guilty’? I didn’t think so…

  179. Who “killed a fucking person”? Are you judge and jury sitting in judgment of a boy who is only ACCUSED of this deed? Remember the phrase ‘Innocent until PROVEN guilty’? I didn’t think so…

  180. The quote that gets me is “argue that a life sentence for the boy could violate international law.” Well, so what. We are not subject to the laws that other nations chose to place on us in our own country. IF we were in France, then it would hold some merit. But this is Pennsylvania.

  181. The quote that gets me is “argue that a life sentence for the boy could violate international law.” Well, so what. We are not subject to the laws that other nations chose to place on us in our own country. IF we were in France, then it would hold some merit. But this is Pennsylvania.

  182. SomeoneWithMorals | Jan 29, 2011 at 3:13 pm |

    “Human rights campaigners have said the case shows the US’ justice system to be unusually harsh towards juvenile offenders, and argue that a life sentence for the boy could violate international law.” Are you kidding me? That’s all we do anymore is go “Aww, they did something wrong. Let’s give them a lighter sentence. 10 years ago, this wouldn’t be debatable. He intentionally thought out this plan, went and got a gun (possibly loaded it, I don’t know that part), sneaked into his father’s room, pointed the gun at his future stepmom, and pulled the trigger. This is not a “Oops, he didn’t mean to do it.” This is a fucking murder. He KILLED someone, INTENTIONALLY. He deserves life in prison.

  183. SomeoneWithMorals | Jan 29, 2011 at 11:13 am |

    “Human rights campaigners have said the case shows the US’ justice system to be unusually harsh towards juvenile offenders, and argue that a life sentence for the boy could violate international law.” Are you kidding me? That’s all we do anymore is go “Aww, they did something wrong. Let’s give them a lighter sentence. 10 years ago, this wouldn’t be debatable. He intentionally thought out this plan, went and got a gun (possibly loaded it, I don’t know that part), sneaked into his father’s room, pointed the gun at his future stepmom, and pulled the trigger. This is not a “Oops, he didn’t mean to do it.” This is a fucking murder. He KILLED someone, INTENTIONALLY. He deserves life in prison.

  184. It’s a new science, and a soft science, but it is increasingly being hardened by neurology and behaviorism and the like. The representation of psychology in popular media is another matter. Don’t base your opinion on what you see on TV.

  185. An article said “He is then alleged to have got on the school bus and gone to his elementary school as usual.”

    Yep he’s a sociopath alright, I agree. He’ll only get worse, and do worse. The death penalty opens up alot of moral hypocritical dilemas, but sociopaths, especially violent ones, must be separated from society, they must be managed, so life incarceration would be the kindest thing for him, and for the rest of us.

  186. He needs to go to a facility for study and care of sociopaths. By care I mean just that, let to live in a nice environment, interviewed and MRI scanned by scientists for a deeper understanding, and kept well away from the public for the rest of his life.

    Some non-violent sociopaths should be separated from the public too as soon as we realise how their 4% cause most of our anguish in life. Even without violence, they still destroy ordinary people’s lives at whim, set them up for a fall emotionally, fraud them into homelessness, persuade someone to get addicted to drugs, help them destroy themselves. Not having a conscience because their brain has never and will never develop one, has to be managed like other forms of mental retardation are.

  187. uhh who just said the kid didn’t know better? seriously? he’s 11, not stupid. he knows what a gun will do if you shoot it at a person. life without parole is the appropriate punishment for anyone who kills another person. this 11 year old not only killed one person, he killed 2. sure, give him therapy…in prison.

  188. uhh who just said the kid didn’t know better? seriously? he’s 11, not stupid. he knows what a gun will do if you shoot it at a person. life without parole is the appropriate punishment for anyone who kills another person. this 11 year old not only killed one person, he killed 2. sure, give him therapy…in prison.

  189. it’s a shotgun. A children’s shotgun. as in, a shotgun designed specifically for children to use. That this kid had free access to(from what I’ve read, could be wrong). Free access even after it was observed by adults in the family that he was unstable. So, yeah, wtf? and this is coming from someone who loves guns and has been shooting with young children before. Anyone who does this with a kid might as well be playing Russian roulette with the child and everyone around them.

  190. Children this young aren’t capable of competency to fully understand or control their actions.

  191. Just a little something to piss off the knuckle draggers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGTzbj3fRSw

  192. Just a little something to piss off the knuckle draggers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGTzbj3fRSw

  193. Anonymous | Jan 30, 2011 at 7:28 pm |

    I lived in a trailer park where police regularly showed up to tell the locals to stop firing bullets into the ground for practice. This was in New Mexico.

  194. Anonymous | Jan 30, 2011 at 7:33 pm |

    well if this kid is indeed a sociopath like so many claim him to be, it’s a shame he threw away his chance to be killing off whole towns and be called the President of the United States of America

  195. Anonymous | Jan 30, 2011 at 3:33 pm |

    well if this kid is indeed a sociopath like so many claim him to be, it’s a shame he threw away his chance to be killing off whole towns and be called the President of the United States of America

  196. Anonymous | Feb 1, 2011 at 2:06 am |

    I have a hard time feeling sorry for him.
    I certainly would not feel comfortable having him loose on the street.
    He will have the rest of his life to replay the event in his mind and think how dumb he is.

  197. Susan_B_Karimchise | Jan 31, 2011 at 10:06 pm |

    I have a hard time feeling sorry for him.
    I certainly would not feel comfortable having him loose on the street.
    He will have the rest of his life to replay the event in his mind and think how dumb he is.

  198. Fernerimelo | Feb 1, 2011 at 2:07 am |

    what about the other people that kill? the other murderers? should we not ruin there lives only because the “dead” have no “rights”? every one was born with rights, every one has rights dead or not.

  199. My favorite part of news posts: reading people argue in the comments.

  200. My favorite part of news posts: reading people argue in the comments.

  201. My favorite part of news posts: reading people argue in the comments.

  202. an 8 year old in arizona has murdered his father and a co worker of his father. the judge in that case wants the death penalty, and judges from texas and florida want it also. american and justice…what happened to international law against trying children as adults?

  203. Payrollpinky | Feb 3, 2011 at 8:26 pm |

    Fuck that little kid, at this point in time innocence is lost pretty fast. He knew what he was doing at 11 and he did it. Fry the bastard, he will do this world no good at all and I see zero need to pay to feed his evil ass for the next 60 years. Eye for an eye, put him in a firing squad.

  204. Payrollpinky | Feb 3, 2011 at 4:26 pm |

    Fuck that little kid, at this point in time innocence is lost pretty fast. He knew what he was doing at 11 and he did it. Fry the bastard, he will do this world no good at all and I see zero need to pay to feed his evil ass for the next 60 years. Eye for an eye, put him in a firing squad.

  205. Scared of an 11 year old?, Paranoid much

  206. He’s American? He feels anger, jealousy, rejection? He knows about guns? Hell, I would have shot and killed umpteen people and would have been shot and killed BY umpteen people over the years if I’d had access to a gun and vice versa……the boy was acting on impulses he was not old enough or mature enough to control. It’s hard enough when you’re an adult.

  207. He’s American? He feels anger, jealousy, rejection? He knows about guns? Hell, I would have shot and killed umpteen people and would have been shot and killed BY umpteen people over the years if I’d had access to a gun and vice versa……the boy was acting on impulses he was not old enough or mature enough to control. It’s hard enough when you’re an adult.

  208. Surrealias | Feb 4, 2011 at 1:29 am |

    Most of what I’m to say has been said in these comments, but I want to put in my 2 cents.

    Who knows what this kid’s home life was like. He could have been abused, he could have been raised to be quite uneducated and not had a proper chance to be a healthy kid. I think his actions need punished, no doubt there. I think the laws in place that separate childrens’ actions from adults’ actions are good ones. Who the hell expects something not to go horribly wrong when an 11 year old has access to a shotgun and ammunition? I had guns all throughout growing up but they were always locked up. Even if they weren’t though I probably wouldn’t have touched them though. If I had been abused, not well educated, had mental disabilities, who knows what would have happened.

    As Jessica Hurst said somewhere in these posts about her father killing birds as a kid, but then changing that all around… I did the same thing. I must have killed 100 birds just for sport when I was a kid with bb guns, cross-bows, and slingshots. That type of thing horrifies me now, I couldn’t possibly kill a bird now unless I really needed to.

    This kid DOES sound like he’s socio-pathic, but I think there’s possibility for him to change.

  209. Surrealias | Feb 3, 2011 at 9:29 pm |

    Most of what I’m to say has been said in these comments, but I want to put in my 2 cents.

    Who knows what this kid’s home life was like. He could have been abused, he could have been raised to be quite uneducated and not had a proper chance to be a healthy kid. I think his actions need punished, no doubt there. I think the laws in place that separate childrens’ actions from adults’ actions are good ones. Who the hell expects something not to go horribly wrong when an 11 year old has access to a shotgun and ammunition? I had guns all throughout growing up but they were always locked up. Even if they weren’t though I probably wouldn’t have touched them though. If I had been abused, not well educated, had mental disabilities, who knows what would have happened.

    As Jessica Hurst said somewhere in these posts about her father killing birds as a kid, but then changing that all around… I did the same thing. I must have killed 100 birds just for sport when I was a kid with bb guns, cross-bows, and slingshots. That type of thing horrifies me now, I couldn’t possibly kill a bird now unless I really needed to.

    This kid DOES sound like he’s socio-pathic, but I think there’s possibility for him to change.

  210. You know you’ve got a good point

  211. Hey anyone thought that maybe the kids parents had something to do with this. for all we know it could be a case of child abuse, rape, misstreetment of some kind. some times i think you guys are too cold hearted.

  212. Hey anyone thought that maybe the kids parents had something to do with this. for all we know it could be a case of child abuse, rape, misstreetment of some kind. some times i think you guys are too cold hearted.

  213. … do you honestly believe that only someone who fully understands what they have done would plead innocent? A plea of innocence demonstrates that the accused does not want to get in trouble for it, which does not in and of itself mean they did it OR that they understood the penalties. And someone who doesn’t understand the charges or the consequences can just as easily plead guilty in the hopes of a lesser sentence.

  214. So we show people that killing people is wrong by killing people?

  215. So we show people that killing people is wrong by killing people?

  216. Welpharecheeze | Feb 12, 2011 at 6:03 am |

    I don’t know about you all, but I certainly understood the consequences of shooting someone with a gun when I was 11. Some of you make it sound like 11 year olds have NO concept of right/wrong, consequences or anything else. If kids were really as incapable of controlling their impulses as you state, classrooms would not even exist because kids would be running around screaming, biting, kicking and causing general chaos as a result of their “underdeveloped brains”. Get real.

    He’s obviously mentally ill or cognitively challenged beyond what’s normal for kids that age and needs mental help. And yes, mental institutions ARE punishment in themselves, but at least they focus on helping the patient, unlike prison–where people go to become even more violent.

  217. Welpharecheeze | Feb 12, 2011 at 2:03 am |

    I don’t know about you all, but I certainly understood the consequences of shooting someone with a gun when I was 11. Some of you make it sound like 11 year olds have NO concept of right/wrong, consequences or anything else. If kids were really as incapable of controlling their impulses as you state, classrooms would not even exist because kids would be running around screaming, biting, kicking and causing general chaos as a result of their “underdeveloped brains”. Get real.

    He’s obviously mentally ill or cognitively challenged beyond what’s normal for kids that age and needs mental help. And yes, mental institutions ARE punishment in themselves, but at least they focus on helping the patient, unlike prison–where people go to become even more violent.

  218. Anonymous | Feb 22, 2011 at 8:21 pm |

    These are great points, but there’s another facet: Do we want to pay for this person to be in jail for years and years, when even if he was let out into society, he might never ever do anything else that is wrong? There’s plenty of was of getting some sort of retribution, and if he’s got any concience and soul, he will do it on himself, like most people do. Further, it would also deny him any chance to atone (even if you aren’t religious, you will usually try to make up for any bad things you do).

    Eye for an Eye type mentality is Old Testament for a good reason: it doesn’t work.

  219. Anonymous | Feb 22, 2011 at 8:24 pm |

    But do you think he though of being executed when shot her? Not a chance – I don’t think he was thinking of any of the consequences. So it is not a detriment. Try again.

  220. Anonymous | Feb 22, 2011 at 8:30 pm |

    How can you be so sure? Do you know the kid’s history? Most offenders are not repeat offenders. But if you throw him in jail, where all he’ll see is violence, drugs and crime, if he ever comes out, he’ll definitely be more likely to offend.
    Do you really want to pay for him to be in jail all this time when you aren’t even sure?

  221. Anonymous | Feb 22, 2011 at 8:33 pm |

    You think most murderers are thinking of the sentence before they do it? News flash.. no.
    For that matter, is the best way to send them to prison? Might there be other ways, like if they took out the breadwinner, they should be made pay $$? Isn’t that a worse punishment?

  222. Charger20bball | Mar 31, 2011 at 7:50 pm |

    You people out there need to understand that this kid went up to his step-mother while she was asleep and shot her in the head with a shotgun! He then proceeded to go to school like nothing happened. The parents are at fault for this action and the kid should have had the death penalty for an action like this. You need to teach your childern proper gun control. I know at an early age my dad hid every gun in the house. No one knew except him. Anyways, killing a person is never right especially the way this kid murdered his step-mother. For those that think he is not cognitively developed are morons. The kid put a gun to the back of his step-mother’s head and killed. Obviously he knew how to get her out of his family. To me that’s cognitively developed. “Let’s also not forget that she was also eight months pregnant”

  223. Charger20bball | Mar 31, 2011 at 3:50 pm |

    You people out there need to understand that this kid went up to his step-mother while she was asleep and shot her in the head with a shotgun! He then proceeded to go to school like nothing happened. The parents are at fault for this action and the kid should have had the death penalty for an action like this. You need to teach your childern proper gun control. I know at an early age my dad hid every gun in the house. No one knew except him. Anyways, killing a person is never right especially the way this kid murdered his step-mother. For those that think he is not cognitively developed are morons. The kid put a gun to the back of his step-mother’s head and killed. Obviously he knew how to get her out of his family. To me that’s cognitively developed. “Let’s also not forget that she was also eight months pregnant”

    • If shooting someone in the back of the head and then going to school “like nothing happened” and telling a friend about it sounds “cognitively developed” to you, then your definition of cognitive development is pretty low.

      Also, calling other people morons carries more weight when your grammar is correct.

      • Charger20bball | Mar 31, 2011 at 8:07 pm |

        Iz dont undahstand whyz you is supportings him, he killedz 2 peoples with this murda. He stated a cuple days be4 da murda thats he waz going to off hiz sisterz and step-mothda when his step-mothda gots mads dat him.

        Also, if you are on here for grammar purposes, and it makes you feel better about yourself, you definitely need a life.

        • Pointing out he didn’t think everything through like an adult is support? Pointing out your grammar was bad means that why I’m here? Looks like you need to take a course on logic or critical thinking or something too. No wonder you think he’s cognitively developed.

  224. If shooting someone in the back of the head and then going to school “like nothing happened” and telling a friend about it sounds “cognitively developed” to you, then your definition of cognitive development is pretty low.

    Also, calling other people morons carries more weight when your grammar is correct.

  225. If shooting someone in the back of the head and then going to school “like nothing happened” and telling a friend about it sounds “cognitively developed” to you, then your definition of cognitive development is pretty low.

    Also, calling other people morons carries more weight when your grammar is correct.

  226. Charger20bball | Apr 1, 2011 at 12:07 am |

    Iz dont undahstand whyz you is supportings him, he killedz 2 peoples with this murda. He stated a cuple days be4 da murda thats he waz going to off hiz sisterz and step-mothda when his step-mothda gots mads dat him.

    Also, if you are on here for grammar purposes, and it makes you feel better about yourself, you definitely need a life.

  227. Pointing out he didn’t think everything through like an adult is support? Pointing out your grammar was bad means that why I’m here? Looks like you need to take a course on logic or critical thinking or something too. No wonder you think he’s cognitively developed.

  228. Rush_g15 | Jun 2, 2011 at 4:53 pm |

    will do the same with ur mum bitcha

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