Loughner Being Cast As Occultist

Source: Daily News

Source: Daily News

There’s all sorts of speculation about the motivations of gunman Jared Loughner, with guesses ranging widely to extremes of the political spectrum. The most bizarre claim is from the Daily News, which has what it terms “exclusive” photographic evidence that he worshiped at an “occultist shrine”:

A sinister shrine reveals a chilling occult dimension in the mind of the deranged gunman accused of shooting a member of Congress and 19 others.

Hidden within a camouflage tent behind Jared Lee Loughner’s home sits an alarming altar with a skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges.

A row of ceremonial candles and a bag of potting soil lay nearby, photos reveal.

Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups.

Investigators have focused on Loughner’s online anti-government ramblings as the chief motivation for the shooting Saturday of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).

The discovery of the shrine raises the possibility that Loughner, 22, may have been driven by other forces. Students and faculty at Pima Community College, which he attended until his suspension last summer, said Loughner was clearly at odds with the world…

[continues in the Daily News]

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  • http://thefirstchurchofmutterhals.blogspot.com/ mutterhals

    That’s a fucking piss-poor shrine, if you ask me.

    • Wrenja

      agreed.

  • http://thefirstchurchofmutterhals.blogspot.com/ mutterhals

    That’s a fucking piss-poor shrine, if you ask me.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Links dead…although given thats it Daily News…you cannot kill that which has no life.

    • http://disinfo.com/ Majestic

      Thanks, link now fixed.

    • Liam_McGonagle

      Yeah, I may have actually been ‘afeared if the skull in that pic didn’t look like a plastic aftermarket Halloween candy dish from Walmart(tm).

      Okay, ‘nough jokes. Loughner’s irrationality is probably a harbinger of doom for the nation, and should be taken seriously. And not just cause he killed an innocent 9 year old girl, as horrible as that is.

      All sides of the political debate are trying to blame one another for this horrible debacle, and now already it’s working its way out into the wider cultural discourse.

      As a matter of objective fact, this kid has a loose screw, lost without a compass, and is clearly drinking copious amounts of the Tea Bagger Kool-Aid (i.e., gold standard, general anti-government rhetoric). He’s lost, with zero trust whatsoever in any established authority figure.

      With some justification, it must be said. Mitch McConnell basically said “screw the economic experts at the CBO and JBT–I’m bettin’ ‘Merica’s future on #22 Red”. Obama’s tax deal says, “Forget about what I said then–that was then, this is now”. None of these empty suits gives a flying fuck for intellectual rigor or moral consistency.

      Granted, there are guys like Sanders, DeFazio (and I’ll say it, ex-Senator Feingold) out there who DO up hold actual moral and intellectual values. But they’re voices in the desert, marginalized at every turn by faux populist douchebags like Paul Ryan, Ron Johnson, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, etc. Loughner probably never heard the voices of Sanders et alia above the din of the idiocracy–and gave up hope thereby. Loughner’s extremely stupid action was, in one way, a very real cry for help.

      So the inevitable next step is for government and the media establishment to combine to make sure that guys like Loughner never get that help–close off all the avenues to alternate discussion. Step #1: (Further) marginalize non-Judeo Christian beliefs and lifestyles–paint them not only as weird an unattractive, but actually immediate life-threatening dangers. #2? My guess, pass legislation to close down media outlets discussing alternate social / policy programmes. A “hate speech” law.

      Under the pretext of making discourse “more civil”–by which they mean more bland and unproductive than it already is–they will handily rid themselves of the burden of dealing with issues of eternal warfare and economic and social equity. And anyone who don’t like it is a danger to society and should be locked up IMMEDIATELY–w/o trial.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Links dead…although given thats it Daily News…you cannot kill that which has no life.

  • http://disinfo.com Majestic

    Thanks, link now fixed.

  • Wrenja

    agreed.

  • Nyxynox

    Who are these “experts” who say “elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups”? What skulls (paper skulls, no less)? Neglected oranges? Candles? Looks like a cheap left over Halloween decoration that was not thrown away.

    • dummbo

      The experts are probably in the FBI or CIA. You all do realize they have occult experts for crimes right?

      • http://twitter.com/jennydevildoll Jenny DevilDoll

        Who apparently can’t tell us exactly what sorts of “occult” ceremonies these are used in? This comes across as nebulous and sensationalistic.

        And BTW, having grown up in Arizona, I know that candles at least, were a popular decorative motif. They sold these decorative metal tins with patterns cut into them that people could put the candles in, and folks would line windows or driveways with them. Even good Christian folk.

        • Vita_Nox_Noctis

          His shrine is too simplistic and very naive. Occult practices usually have more adornments and tools, just like Christian Churches have a variety of icons that are used for worship. The occult doesn’t necessarily employ skulls every time unless something very specific is trying to be invoked. Religions in general don’t have a tendency to throw around icons if they don’t have specific purposes and skulls are more than often are just for decorative purposes than real worship. Even then, the article does not mention any symbols, tools, or manuscripts that would be associated with any religion, occult or not, for that matter.

          It’s either a sensationalist article or they are intentionally avoiding to mention all that they found.

          • Hadrian999

            what law enforcement people think of as “occult” is laughable, if you want to laugh long and hard track down the training videos made for cops on satanic and occult subjects

          • Tuna Ghost

            I can vouch for that, actually. It is so laughably terrible you start to think “they can’t expect me to take this seriously”, and then you realize this is actually how they are trying to train law enforcement officers, and its not very funny anymore.

      • Hadrian999

        i didn’t know the fbi and cia were committing occult crimes now

      • E.B. Wolf

        They seem to have gotten their advanced occult training from old Vincent Price movies.

  • Nyxynox

    Who are these “experts” who say “elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups”? What skulls (paper skulls, no less)? Neglected oranges? Candles? Looks like a cheap left over Halloween decoration that was not thrown away.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Yeah, I may have actually been ‘afeared if the skull in that pic didn’t look like a plastic aftermarket Halloween candy dish from Walmart(tm).

    Okay, ‘nough jokes. Loughner’s irrationality is probably a harbinger of doom for the nation, and should be taken seriously. And not just cause he killed an innocent 9 year old girl, as horrible as that is.

    All sides of the political debate are trying to blame one another for this horrible debacle, and now already it’s working its way out into the wider cultural discourse.

    As a matter of objective fact, this kid has a loose screw, lost without a compass, and is clearly drinking copious amounts of the Tea Bagger Kool-Aid (i.e., gold standard, general anti-government rhetoric). He’s lost, with zero trust whatsoever in any established authority figure.

    With some justification, it must be said. Mitch McConnell basically said “screw the economic experts at the CBO and JBT–I’m bettin’ ‘Merica’s future on #22 Red”. Obama’s tax deal says, “Forget about what I said then–that was then, this is now”. None of these empty suits gives a flying fuck for intellectual rigor or moral consistency.

    Granted, there are guys like Sanders, DeFazio (and I’ll say it, ex-Senator Feingold) out there who DO up hold actual moral and intellectual values. But they’re voices in the desert, marginalized at every turn by faux populist douchebags like Paul Ryan, Ron Johnson, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, etc. Loughner probably never heard the voices of Sanders et alia above the din of the idiocracy–and gave up hope thereby. Loughner’s extremely stupid action was, in one way, a very real cry for help.

    So the inevitable next step is for government and the media establishment to combine to make sure that guys like Loughner never get that help–close off all the avenues to alternate discussion. Step #1: (Further) marginalize non-Judeo Christian beliefs and lifestyles–paint them not only as weird an unattractive, but actually immediate life-threatening dangers. #2? My guess, pass legislation to close down media outlets discussing alternate social / policy programmes. A “hate speech” law.

    Under the pretext of making discourse “more civil”–by which they mean more bland and unproductive than it already is–they will handily rid themselves of the burden of dealing with issues of eternal warfare and economic and social equity. And anyone who don’t like it is a danger to society and should be locked up IMMEDIATELY–w/o trial.

  • http://twitter.com/jennydevildoll Jenny DevilDoll

    “Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups.”

    Which experts and what groups, Daily News? Really. I really wanna know.

    • Liam_McGonagle

      That there’s the whole problem rat ‘dere: “Experts on Sunday . . . ”

      What the Hell would they know about the occult?

  • http://twitter.com/jennydevildoll Jenny DevilDoll

    “Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups.”

    Which experts and what groups, Daily News? Really. I really wanna know.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    That there’s the whole problem rat ‘dere: “Experts on Sunday . . . ”

    What the Hell would they know about the occult?

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    NY Daily News Exclusive…where I could also find some lovely neo-con pablum from S.E. Cupp (some may recall her recent appearance on Disinfo regarding her life as an atheist who apparently hates atheists and loves religion…good to know the Daily News only features the best and brightest) …firing off potshots at loathsome liberals who cruelly malign Palin for making gunplay references for two years and framing the faces of the opposition in crosshairs…up until a couple days ago…when every last stitch of embarrassing material started vanishing…

    …frankly…if those pictures are even from Loughner’s actual backyard…I’d be shocked. I usually despise major media…CNN, Fox, NBC etc etc etc…but NY Daily really stands out as a sh*trag.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    NY Daily News Exclusive…where I could also find some lovely neo-con pablum from S.E. Cupp (some may recall her recent appearance on Disinfo regarding her life as an atheist who apparently hates atheists and loves religion…good to know the Daily News only features the best and brightest) …firing off potshots at loathsome liberals who cruelly malign Palin for making gunplay references for two years and framing the faces of the opposition in crosshairs…up until a couple days ago…when every last stitch of embarrassing material started vanishing…

    …frankly…if those pictures are even from Loughner’s actual backyard…I’d be shocked. I usually despise major media…CNN, Fox, NBC etc etc etc…but NY Daily really stands out as a sh*trag.

  • Brock

    The story doesn’t surpise me very much. They’re trying to dig as much dirt up as they can on this guy. He clearly has a mental illness.

    • Dummbo

      and clearly was not a teaparty guy

  • Brock

    The story doesn’t surpise me very much. They’re trying to dig as much dirt up as they can on this guy. He clearly has a mental illness.

  • Dummbo

    and clearly was not a teaparty guy

  • dummbo

    The experts are probably in the FBI or CIA. You all do realize they have occult experts for crimes right?

  • UseYour1stAmend

    Now why in the hell would Congresswoman Giffords subscribe to Jared Loughner’s Youtube channel? Look: http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2?ob=0

    Why isn’t the MSM addressing this? And Disinfo and Alex Jones are not mentioning this either!

  • UseYour1stAmend

    Now why in the hell would Congresswoman Giffords subscribe to Jared Loughner’s Youtube channel? Look: http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2?ob=0

    Why isn’t the MSM addressing this? And Disinfo and Alex Jones are not mentioning this either!

    • Liam_McGonagle

      Well, Loughner had been in contact w/ her before. And given the ransacking her office got after she voted for the Health Care Reform Bill, perhaps she thought it made good sense to see just how derranged this boy was.

      The full story has yet to be written, but my guess is that she looked at his stuff, saw how incoherent he was, and wrote him off as an incompetent. “How much damage could a numb nuts like that do?” seems a reasonable question at first glance.

      But then again, look at the damage George W. Bush did . . . competence is not necessarily a prerequisite in their line of work . . .

  • Atheistinsurgency

    This is a golden opportunity for Christians to attack voodooism. (Voodoo? is that the proper name of the religion or is it called something else?)

    • Vita_Nox_Noctis

      Out of curiosity, what makes you think the religion in question he attempted to practice was voodoo? From the picture above, his “shrine” just looks like a skull in dirt which I doubt could summon anything…if anything really exists.

  • Atheistinsurgency

    This is a golden opportunity for Christians to attack voodooism. (Voodoo? is that the proper name of the religion or is it called something else?)

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Well, Loughner had been in contact w/ her before. And given the ransacking her office got after she voted for the Health Care Reform Bill, perhaps she thought it made good sense to see just how derranged this boy was.

    The full story has yet to be written, but my guess is that she looked at his stuff, saw how incoherent he was, and wrote him off as an incompetent. “How much damage could a numb nuts like that do?” seems a reasonable question at first glance.

    But then again, look at the damage George W. Bush did . . . competence is not necessarily a prerequisite in their line of work . . .

  • Jim

    The Lunatic Fringe of Occultism.

  • Jim

    The Lunatic Fringe of Occultism.

  • http://twitter.com/jennydevildoll Jenny DevilDoll

    Who apparently can’t tell us exactly what sorts of “occult” ceremonies these are used in? This comes across as nebulous and sensationalistic.

    And BTW, having grown up in Arizona, I know that candles at least, were a popular decorative motif. They sold these decorative metal tins with patterns cut into them that people could put the candles in, and folks would line windows or driveways with them. Even good Christian folk.

  • Hadrian999

    i didn’t know the fbi and cia were committing occult crimes now

  • Vita_Nox_Noctis

    Out of curiosity, what makes you think the religion in question he attempted to practice was voodoo? From the picture above, his “shrine” just looks like a skull in dirt which I doubt could summon anything…if anything really exists.

  • Vita_Nox_Noctis

    His shrine is too simplistic and very naive. Occult practices usually have more adornments and tools, just like Christian Churches have a variety of icons that are used for worship. The occult doesn’t necessarily employ skulls every time unless something very specific is trying to be invoked. Religions in general don’t have a tendency to throw around icons if they don’t have specific purposes and skulls are more than often are just for decorative purposes than real worship. Even then, the article does not mention any symbols, tools, or manuscripts that would be associated with any religion, occult or not, for that matter.

    It’s either a sensationalist article or they are intentionally avoiding to mention all that they found.

  • Vita_Nox_Noctis

    His shrine is too simplistic and very naive. Occult practices usually have more adornments and tools, just like Christian Churches have a variety of icons that are used for worship. The occult doesn’t necessarily employ skulls every time unless something very specific is trying to be invoked. Religions in general don’t have a tendency to throw around icons if they don’t have specific purposes and skulls are more than often are just for decorative purposes than real worship. Even then, the article does not mention any symbols, tools, or manuscripts that would be associated with any religion, occult or not, for that matter.

    It’s either a sensationalist article or they are intentionally avoiding to mention all that they found.

  • Hadrian999

    what law enforcement people think of as “occult” is laughable, if you want to laugh long and hard track down the training videos made for cops on satanic and occult subjects

  • Tuna Ghost

    I can vouch for that, actually. It is so laughably terrible you start to think “they can’t expect me to take this seriously”, and then you realize this is actually how they are trying to train law enforcement officers, and its not very funny anymore.

  • E.B. Wolf

    They seem to have gotten their advanced occult training from old Vincent Price movies.

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