Atheist Students Group Offers Porn For Bibles

Porn For BiblesVia WOAI San Antonio:

SAN ANTONIO — An atheist student group at UTSA is again offering to trade porn for bibles.

Atheist Agenda set up a booth on the UTSA campus on the Northwest Side and asked students to bring in their bibles in exchange for pornographic magazines. The event is called “Smut for Smut” and, obviously, brings with it some big controversy.

“It is to send a message that the stuff in the bible, and the Quran, and the Torah, and all that sort of thing is, in our case worse, in our opinion worse, than pornography,” explained UTSA student Kyle Bush.

“I can see that God can definitely use this for a greater purpose,” UTSA student Alex Liu
said. “And I see a lot of Christian organizations coming together, you know, to be brothers and sisters standing up for their faith.”

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474 Comments on "Atheist Students Group Offers Porn For Bibles"

  1. Hadrian999 | Feb 4, 2011 at 3:51 am |

    I wish they would bring this to my school

  2. Hadrian999 | Feb 3, 2011 at 11:51 pm |

    I wish they would bring this to my school

  3. DeepCough | Feb 4, 2011 at 4:37 am |

    They should have called this little campaign “O Come All Ye Unfaithful.”

  4. DeepCough | Feb 4, 2011 at 12:37 am |

    They should have called this little campaign “O Come All Ye Unfaithful.”

    • “O Cum All Ye Unfaithful” would be much better, considering the pornography.

      • HughGRection | Feb 4, 2011 at 1:10 pm |

        I’m glad I scrolled all the way down to read this comment since I was in the process of typing the same response.

        “Cum”. huhhuhuhuhuhuhuh!!! He said “Cum”. huhuhuhu

  5. Right on, I’m pretty sure I have a couple of old bibles laying around somewhere.

  6. Right on, I’m pretty sure I have a couple of old bibles laying around somewhere.

  7. David Frost | Feb 4, 2011 at 5:48 am |

    Ah, the ridiculous things people do to be well loved by the brainwashed cult of “New Atheists.”

  8. David Frost | Feb 4, 2011 at 1:48 am |

    Ah, the ridiculous things people do to be well loved by the brainwashed cult of “New Atheists.”

    • Hadrian999 | Feb 4, 2011 at 2:10 am |

      at least porn is fun, if you have to be brainwashed by something might as well be something fun.
      beats bad poetry and self hate any day.

      • David Frost | Feb 4, 2011 at 2:31 am |

        Who says I don’t have fun? I do, much more so than when I was brain washed by society into being a lot like you. How do I not have fun? Because I don’t drink, smoke, do drugs, cheat on my wife, steal stuff, lie to people, etc. I very happy without all that. I still do everything I used to do; play and listen to music, read, do artwork, play video games, talk to people, etc.

        True I don’t look at porn, but thats why I have a wife, the real thing is better.

        What you are doing is called stereotyping/generalization which actually IS a thought distortion BTW

        • David Frost | Feb 4, 2011 at 2:33 am |

          Church is a very enjoyable experience, no one would go if it wasn’t.

          • justagirl | Feb 4, 2011 at 9:59 am |

            keep telling yourself that dear.

          • David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 1:56 am |

            …beats looking for some meaning and purpose in life in the bottom of a bottle.

          • justagirl | Feb 5, 2011 at 12:57 pm |

            it sounds like you have a good support group. i hope they don’t dissappoint you. if they do, remember that sunday mornings are also great for sleeping late and sharing a big breakfast with the one(s) who love(s) you.

          • it’s been a long time since churches only ran on a Sunday morning.

          • David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 8:51 pm |

            True, I go Sunday and Wednesday night as well half the time, but “unchurched” people relate to the symbolism better and half the time aren’t even aware that churches do more than just Sunday services.

          • Having to wake up early, overdress to impress, apologize for being human and get indoctrinated once a week apparently isn’t enough for some people. Or some churches. How much do you pay for that?

          • David Frost | Feb 12, 2011 at 1:01 pm |

            I’m a Pentecostal, it is against my religious beliefs to “dress up” for church, because regardless of what other traditions have to say not dressing up for church is what the Bible advocates.

            How much does it cost for extra services? Nothing. How much does it cost to attend church? Nothing. Tithes are practically the same as tipping a waitress. In both cases it is encouraged to do so but if you don’t have it no one gives you a hard time over it.

            As far indoctrination. Everything out there could fall under that description. I consider Richard Dawkins to be out working to indoctrinate people toward atheism. Penn & Teller are out trying to indoctrinate people toward Libertarianism. Drug dealers are out trying to indoctrinate new people to the drug culture. To be perfectly honest church didn’t make me a Christian, secular people like you did. I was more on your side at one point and really hated it so thats why I changed views.

          • “I consider Richard Dawkins to be out working to indoctrinate people toward atheism.”

            Another arbitrary statement with no merit whatsoever. Do you really think people will just take what you write at face value?

            The more I know about religion and religious people the stronger and more radical Atheist I am. Thank you.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 1:08 pm |

            Apparently your out to indoctrinate others as well, and so am I. If we weren’t we would both be absolutely quiet now wouldn’t we? But atheists never really think things through now do you?

            And BTW the more I argue with you atheists the stronger and more radical of a Christian I become.

          • justagirl | Feb 6, 2011 at 8:13 pm |

            omg. really?!!

          • David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 8:48 pm |

            I’m a bit of a loner to be honest, I just hang out with my wife. Yes I go to church and am well liked in church but that isn’t why I go. I go because it is better than secular philosophy on a lot of levels. I’d rather go to church Sunday morning than nurse a hang over during that time.

          • justagirl | Feb 6, 2011 at 8:13 pm |

            you’re starting to upset me dave.

          • David Frost | Feb 7, 2011 at 1:04 am |

            When gauging your views and how I felt when I had similar ones, you must feel like you walking on egg shells in everyday life. Atheism is horrible on your nerves.

          • justagirl | Feb 7, 2011 at 10:40 am |

            you think i’m an atheist because i no longer partake in the sunday morning ass worshiping festivities? you are a very presumptuous person like many others on this website. i have a great deal of knowledge of the meaning and purpose of life and beyond and it doesn’t come from the vile book that you cling to. go on and go to church for all i care. truly, you belong there. and don’t talk to me about eggshells, dave. you might hurt someone’s feelings.

          • David Frost | Feb 7, 2011 at 6:10 pm |

            It’s impossible to go through life and not hurt someones feelings. No matter what a person does they are always going to upset someone.

          • justagirl | Feb 7, 2011 at 8:27 pm |

            wow. this is really some stimulating conversation. are you a “last word” freak? well, go on and have the last word. try not to intrigue me.

          • David Frost | Feb 10, 2011 at 6:06 am |

            🙂 pretty much

          • justagirl | Feb 10, 2011 at 10:56 am |

            word.

          • David Frost | Feb 11, 2011 at 3:19 am |

            hahaha

          • It was a snoozefest for me, so I guess in an indirect way, you’re right. It serves as a sleep aide, and sleeping is very enjoyable.

          • David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 1:57 am |

            Depends on what you take from it, church wise.

          • YourNameHere | Feb 4, 2011 at 3:09 pm |

            Going to church = brown-nosing god.

          • Tuna Ghost | Feb 5, 2011 at 5:27 pm |

            that is demonstrably false, buddy. People are forced to attend by parents or schools or other authority figures all the effing time. Pretending it doesn’t happen is ignoring a very important part of the religious freedom debate.

          • Don’t be silly, children aren’t people.

          • David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 9:24 pm |

            True. But parents force a lot of things on their kids. I was forced to play football in high school and hated every last second of it with a passion. I had to work when I wasn’t in school helping my dad do various projects for hours at a time, I ended up with all the back breaking labor end of it, I never got paid a single cent for it. Not only that but they stole money from me as well. I had to clean my sisters room because she was too lazy to breathe and my parents let her be that way. I have long hair that is most of the way down my back these days, but when I was a kid my parents forced me to cut it. When I was a kid my parents wouldn’t even allow me to get CDs of the heavy metal, punk, and industrial bands I liked, because they considered it obscene. When I got classical and flamenco albums instead they made it a point to make fun of me and told me my music choices sucked and the country and southern rock they liked was “real music.” I found the most awesome classical guitar instructor ever growing up, he was a personal student of Andres Segovia, had a Masters degree in classical guitar performance, and played for a string quartet for many years, my parents forbid me from going back for lessons even though he taught me for free because I was broke but obsessed with it. My parents even sent me to military school so I would “do what I was told better,” problem was I came back with more self esteem and less tolerance for the way they are, then the same thing happened when I enlisted in the military. So like I’ve said before, church was the least of my worries. I think people who gripe and moan that they had to go to church as a kid have had it entirely too easy their whole life.

          • AnotherOpinion | Feb 8, 2011 at 10:11 pm |

            It seems like you take your horrible childhood out on God and believers as a whole. I went to church with my parents when I was little and instead of considering it being “drug to church” or “forced”, I tried to keep an open mind, and found solitude and rest in Christ. Just because your childhood sucked doesn’t mean you have to believe you are better than me or religious people by any means.

          • David Frost | Feb 10, 2011 at 6:14 am |

            ? Actually I was arguing for God and believers. I was just saying I was happy with church, and don’t really see why these atheists think it is such a horrible traumatic thing to attend church. Read to last two sentences.

            BTW I don’t think I’m a perfect person, actually quite far from it, but I love and and deeply impassioned by my stances on a lot of things.

          • dude, you said you used to be an atheist, then switched sides… that’s fine, trust me, i relate, but…

            why are you so intolerant of others that believe as you used to believe? (that’s a rhetorical question, don’t answer that) you preach against conformism, yet you want everyone to conform to you. let people be where they are. we are all on our own spiritual journey.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:27 pm |

            I’m not I simply oppose people that spread hate and intolerance. Not believing in god is you own choice, giving other people a hard time for disagreeing and try to evangelize atheism to them is something entirely different.

        • Hadrian999 | Feb 4, 2011 at 8:57 am |

          my condolences

        • If you were gay, or one of your sons or daughters was gay, you might feel a little different about the whole thing.
          If I am not mistaken as well, by your religion it probably is not allowed to use contraception, so this would make your wife a little harder to enjoy (or a lot less time to enjoy after 4 kids).

          • David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 12:49 am |

            No if I actually felt that way I wouldn’t go with it. If I had a kid like that, they would still be welcome in my home and I would still care.

            And no that isn’t my religion that doesn’t allow contraceptives. I am a protestant, that is a catholic thing, more sweeping generalizations on you guys part. Besides I want kids.

        • “Because I don’t drink, smoke, do drugs, cheat on my wife, steal stuff, lie to people, etc.”

          Theists are just as guilty as anyone else.

          A friend of mine works in a care home for the severely mentally disabled, in a very, very Christian community. She had to report a coworker for abuse of a patient. That coworker was terminated after an investigation. Her other coworkers turned on her, treated her like SHE had done something wrong, when she was defending a human being who couldn’t defend himself. She goes to church with many of her coworkers, and, even at church, they bad mouth her.

          Google anything in which an atheist has had to make themselves known publicly for whatever reason, and you will find case after case of these atheists being threatened with murder, rape, or other bodily harm just because they do not believe in a God.

          Where are the good Christian morals in these cases?

          I find these things tobe very wrong, and I am an atheist, with a sense of morality, and would never think of abusing another human being, or threatening someone with rape or murder for not believing as I do. I have morals without fear of Hell.

          • David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 4:21 am |

            1) no one said theists are perfect, just that most of them try and d the right thing most of the time. I am very aware that we mess up sometimes.

            2) As for as all this aggressive behavior toward atheists, no we don’t condone that sort of thing, but sometimes we lose our temper because we are all still human. No one likes being called “stupid” especially when many of us have extensive education and life experiences as well. All this posturing, provocation, and name calling that are the trademark tactics of the “new atheist movement” definitely are inflammatory enough to cause vivid angry responses. I think it is very sad on both sides to be honest.

            3) As far as atheism and morality, you basically get that from cultural relativism. Cultural relativism is essentially conforming to ones society. I would rather follow scripture than base my moral choices on how great I conform to society. I’ll tell you this from personal experience. I grew up in a family that is very hyper conformist and social climbing, actually the whole small hick town I grew up in is like that. Because I’m vegan and straight edge and do really underground music and marginal art, I am well hated as the town “weirdo.” Growing up, not only was church the very least of my problems but the preachers were always very good to me and scripture resonated with me better than this constant “conform to society” message I heard at home and in school from practically every other human being that exists there.

          • one of the best replies on this whole site, most don’t even realize they are conforming through their uniform non conformity and still in the hands of the powers that be….

          • David Frost | Feb 10, 2011 at 6:03 am |

            Absolutely!

        • Hadrian999 | Feb 4, 2011 at 2:32 pm |

          I’m still stuck on the married and not drinking part, how does that even work

        • Dr. Jerry | Feb 13, 2011 at 1:44 am |

          Jesus, Frosty, your thought processes remind me of a large chunk of Swiss cheese with more holes in it than I can count. You ask the self-directed question “How do I have fun?” and then “answer” it not by telling us anything about what you do for fun but by listing a lot of activities you “don’t” do, the implication being of course that all of these activities—drinking, smoking, doing drugs, cheating on your wife, stealing stuff, lying, etc.—are what non-believing Atheists do. In other words, you are unjustifiably applying a negative stereotype to Atheists. Incredibly, you then assert that what you’ve just done is “stereotyping/generalization” as if Atheists had done it and go on to inform us that it is a “thought distortion.” Okay, it’s a thought distortion disorder, but you are the one who just did it, not us. Too bad there isn’t a community college near you that offers a course in ‘remedial thinking.’ You could use it.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 3:59 pm |

            Actually like I said before, I hate your kind’s agenda, so thats why I LOVE debating with you rejects.

    • I just hope you don’t hate on the “old atheists”. The ones that showed up before Richard Dawkins made it “cool” to be an atheist. Ironically it seems he is arguably an old atheist, but his style definitely helped the wave of the self-righteous fad-based atheism.

      • “old atheism”/”new atheism”? I see nothing self-righteous about the atheism movement. I find it peculiar that some atheists think that we should be quiet and respect Faith, when Faith wants us to be quiet, under the threat of harm. I see no reason to respect Faith. Faith isn’t critical thought. Faith is superstition, and it is time that modern man “caught the wave” and grew up, culturally.

        • The distinction comes from the ability to be open to new experience, and realms beyond our own. The so called (although i’m learning to dislike the distinction too) “new atheists” are completely distant from, and sometimes I don’t hesitate to say afraid of so called superstitions.

          There are important factors in both sides, and people need to understand that. When you focus on reductionism it becomes difficult and counterintuitive to imagine those that are grander than you (Note: a malicious government would probably prefer the masses to be atheists as they would refuse to think in the realms of that which is greater). On the other side if you focus only on the grand, the minute details can be lost to you.

          Pure theists know what is important but not what is true; Pure atheists know what is true, but not what is important. Trying to walk the line however is both chaotic and ordered (I’d suggest you not try to understand that one).

      • David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 2:23 am |

        To be honest most of my friends are old atheists and agnostics. I don’t have any problem with them. What I do take issue with is this constant posturing and provocation by the “new atheist movement.” That and I’m the kind of guy that loves making fun of pop culture, fads, and trends and that is what that has become.

    • I don’t think anybody would do this to be “loved”. It’s more like you didn’t really believe in that thing, so now you can put it to better use [perspective of those trading in the Bibles].
      Yes, this is a silly irrational thing, but not nearly as silly as some of the things religions have done.

      • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 4:13 pm |

        I know a lot of these new atheists personally, and yes, popularity has an abnormally high rate of importance to them.

  9. Hadrian999 | Feb 4, 2011 at 6:10 am |

    at least porn is fun, if you have to be brainwashed by something might as well be something fun.
    beats bad poetry and self hate any day.

  10. David Frost | Feb 4, 2011 at 6:31 am |

    Who says I don’t have fun? I do, much more so than when I was brain washed by society into being a lot like you. How do I not have fun? Because I don’t drink, smoke, do drugs, cheat on my wife, steal stuff, lie to people, etc. I very happy without all that. I still do everything I used to do; play and listen to music, read, do artwork, play video games, talk to people, etc.

    True I don’t look at porn, but thats why I have a wife, the real thing is better.

    What you are doing is called stereotyping/generalization which actually IS a thought distortion BTW

  11. David Frost | Feb 4, 2011 at 6:33 am |

    Church is a very enjoyable experience, no one would go if it wasn’t.

  12. Anonymous | Feb 4, 2011 at 8:08 am |

    That’s definitely one way to get to hell–

  13. creamedbutter | Feb 4, 2011 at 4:08 am |

    That’s definitely one way to get to hell–

    • justagirl | Feb 4, 2011 at 10:04 am |

      you’re joking… right?

      • love thy neighbor | Feb 22, 2011 at 10:27 am |

        everyone here needs to do shrooms and then reply on this board. there is a god and most religions (christianity, islam and hebrew) are all corrupt and have been for centuries. YAHWEH is the way and always has been. we have souls and a pineal gland, which most of you don’t even speak of. there is a lot of ignorance on this post. not once has anyone mentioned the chemistry of being spritiually inclined, that’s because a lot of you are actually disinformed on your religion and have a calcified pineal gland so you are stuck in your rut thinking what you know is right. trust me, do some psilocybin mushrooms and you’ll find what you are seeking. FLUORIDE IN YOUR WATER CALCIFIES THE MOST IMPORTANT GLAND INBETWEEN THE TWO HEMISPHERES OF THE BRAIN CALLED THE PINEAL GLAND. THE POPE HAS A PINECONE AT THE END OF HIS STAFF TO REPRESENT THE THIRD EYE AKA THE PINEAL GLAND. YOU GUYS ARE READING FROM BOOKS AND READING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED. MOST OF THESE PEOPLE DID PSYCHEDELICS TO MAKE PROPHECIES AND GAIN KNOWLEDGE THEY COULDN’T SEEK OTHERWISE. THEY ARE TURNING THIS WORLD INTO A MATERIAL WORLD WHICH IS LUCIFERS CALLING. EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IS MATERIAL, THEY HAVE TO BE PERFECT THUS NOT BEING THEMSELVES THUS WHO ARE THEY ACTUALLY BEING?? ITS EASIER TO BE ATHEIST AND BELEIVE NOTHING THAN TO HAVE FAITH IN SOMETHING YOU CANNOT SEE. WAKE UP AND STOP WATCHING SO MUCH TV, MOVIES, VIDEO GAMES (in moderation is good), AND START READING WHATS GOING ON AROUND THE WORLD. I BET ALL OF YOU DIDN’T KNOW THAT YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS A BANK NOTE, BECAUSE WE ARE OWNED BY THE WORLD BANK AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS SOON TO COME. DON’T BE AFRAID! EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS THEIR RIGHT AND THAT IS LIVING UNDER COMMON LAW JURISIDICTION, I AM NOT A “PERSON” I AM A MAN! A PERSON IS A CORPORATE ENTITY. JESUS KICKED THE BANKERS OUT OF THE CHURCH BEFORE HE DIED, WHO OWNS THE GOVERNMENT AND THE WORLD NOW… BANKERS!!!

        • love thy neighbor | Feb 22, 2011 at 10:33 am |

          and if you don’t believe your birth certificate is a bank note then look on the back of it and search worldfreemansociety.org. our name is a contract which we never consented to. only your mother, your doctor and your father signed your statement of live birth creating that “person”. YOU NEVER ONCE SIGNED ANYWHERE SAYING YOU CONSENTED AT THE TIME OF BIRTH THAT THIS PERSON CAN BE CREATED! THIS PERSON WAS CREATED WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. just like fluoride in our water, added without our consent. its like chemtrails in the sky, without our consent. if you read the earliest translation of the bible you can see that satan never exists. it was a literal translation from latin which meant death but along the way got turned into the devil, probably where the corruption to control people started.

        • justagirl | Feb 22, 2011 at 12:05 pm |

          you’re always getting so worked up. try to calm down. it’s morning after all. my birth certificate is on x-ray paper and i consented to my birth. i’m not about to do some shrooms – get a grip. i drink mostly bottled water and toss the plastic in a can. quit worrying about my glands and making assumptions about me. i rarely ever watch tv and i read books without the misguidance of scholars. lastly, no one “informs” me of my religion but thanks for trying.
          nice profile. did you make it just for me?

          • love thy neighbor | Feb 22, 2011 at 12:47 pm |

            just like the rest of them, spending your time replying to a useless blog and making it about YOU. how selfish lol. as i said EVERYONE ON THIS POST. not just you selfish being. really look into what your pineal gland does and what kind of water your drinking. what do you mean you always… this is my first time ever posting a comment on this site and i’ve been a reader for about a year now… ignorance is bliss

          • love thy neighbor | Feb 22, 2011 at 12:48 pm |

            always getting worked up**…

          • justagirl | Feb 22, 2011 at 12:52 pm |

            calm down.

          • justagirl | Feb 22, 2011 at 12:52 pm |

            oh! pardon my selfishness. you are welcome to post a comment without sending it to me directly. (duh).

    • then hell sounds fucking SWEET haha

    • David Frost | Feb 7, 2011 at 6:11 pm |

      Agreed

  14. Hadrian999 | Feb 4, 2011 at 12:57 pm |

    my condolences

  15. I just hope you don’t hate on the “old atheists”. The ones that showed up before Richard Dawkins made it “cool” to be an atheist. Ironically it seems he is arguably an old atheist, but his style definitely helped the wave of the self-righteous fad-based atheism.

  16. I don’t think anybody would do this to be “loved”. It’s more like you didn’t really believe in that thing, so now you can put it to better use [perspective of those trading in the Bibles].
    Yes, this is a silly irrational thing, but not nearly as silly as some of the things religions have done.

  17. If you were gay, or one of your sons or daughters was gay, you might feel a little different about the whole thing.
    If I am not mistaken as well, by your religion it probably is not allowed to use contraception, so this would make your wife a little harder to enjoy (or a lot less time to enjoy after 4 kids).

  18. justagirl | Feb 4, 2011 at 1:59 pm |

    keep telling yourself that dear.

  19. justagirl | Feb 4, 2011 at 2:04 pm |

    you’re joking… right?

  20. Anonymous | Feb 4, 2011 at 2:26 pm |

    This could easily be adopted by old W.Reichs fans like me.

  21. gondolfin | Feb 4, 2011 at 10:26 am |

    This could easily be adopted by old W.Reichs fans like me.

  22. “old atheism”/”new atheism”? I see nothing self-righteous about the atheism movement. I find it peculiar that some atheists think that we should be quiet and respect Faith, when Faith wants us to be quiet, under the threat of harm. I see no reason to respect Faith. Faith isn’t critical thought. Faith is superstition, and it is time that modern man “caught the wave” and grew up, culturally.

  23. “Because I don’t drink, smoke, do drugs, cheat on my wife, steal stuff, lie to people, etc.”

    Theists are just as guilty as anyone else.

    A friend of mine works in a care home for the severely mentally disabled, in a very, very Christian community. She had to report a coworker for abuse of a patient. That coworker was terminated after an investigation. Her other coworkers turned on her, treated her like SHE had done something wrong, when she was defending a human being who couldn’t defend himself. She gores to church with many of her coworkers, and even at church, they bad mouth her.

    Google anything in which an atheist has had to make themselves known publicly for whatever reason, and you will find case after case of these atheists being threatened with murder, rape, or other bodily harm just because they do not believe in a God.

    Where are the good Christian morals in these cases?

    I find these things tobe very wrong, and I am an atheist, with a sense of morality, and would never think of abusing another human being, or threatening someone with rape or murder for not believing as I do. I have morals without fear of Hell.

  24. “Because I don’t drink, smoke, do drugs, cheat on my wife, steal stuff, lie to people, etc.”

    Theists are just as guilty as anyone else.

    A friend of mine works in a care home for the severely mentally disabled, in a very, very Christian community. She had to report a coworker for abuse of a patient. That coworker was terminated after an investigation. Her other coworkers turned on her, treated her like SHE had done something wrong, when she was defending a human being who couldn’t defend himself. She gores to church with many of her coworkers, and even at church, they bad mouth her.

    Google anything in which an atheist has had to make themselves known publicly for whatever reason, and you will find case after case of these atheists being threatened with murder, rape, or other bodily harm just because they do not believe in a God.

    Where are the good Christian morals in these cases?

    I find these things tobe very wrong, and I am an atheist, with a sense of morality, and would never think of abusing another human being, or threatening someone with rape or murder for not believing as I do. I have morals without fear of Hell.

  25. Does anyone seriously believe that either atheists or religious people are better than the other? People do fucked up things, end of story. Sometimes they justify it with religion, sometimes with social policy, sometimes with their own sense of victimhood. It doesn’t have anything to do with whether the fish on your bumper has legs or not. This is just another round in the never-ending pissing contest that passes for intellectual discourse in this country.

  26. Does anyone seriously believe that either atheists or religious people are better than the other? People do fucked up things, end of story. Sometimes they justify it with religion, sometimes with social policy, sometimes with their own sense of victimhood. It doesn’t have anything to do with whether the fish on your bumper has legs or not. This is just another round in the never-ending pissing contest that passes for intellectual discourse in this country.

    • crabs in a bucket | Feb 4, 2011 at 11:20 am |

      about the only intelligent comment on this stupid story. A cult, is a cult, is a cult no matter what their selling. Atheism has to be one of the most closed minded of the bunch, I equate them with the evangelicals. I lead a spiritual life without the need for any group to define it.

      • “Atheism has to be one of the most closed minded of the bunch”

        Its clear you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Atheism is all about open-mindedness and freethinking.

        • Open-mindedness and freethinking are realitve terms. They’re more of a process than just assuming everyone who is a freethinker is an atheist. There are close minded people who are atheists, just as there are ones who are theists.

          • Correct. Atheists just don’t fly planes into buildings in the name of Atheism. They don’t tell you who or how you can sleep with either.

          • David Frost | Feb 12, 2011 at 1:08 pm |

            No you just create mass genocides like the ones done by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.

          • None of that was done in the name of Atheism, or any religion for that matter. If anything, Stalin’s religion was his own personality cult. I’m surprised you didn’t put Hitler in that group claiming he was an Atheist too. You should know better than to pull this straw man argument.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 12:17 pm |

            Actually ALL of those were very officially “Atheists States.” Hitler was an odd mix of a lot of stuff, and really shouldn’t be used in these arguments.

            And buy a thesaurus, there are more ways of describing something that “straw man” or “red herring” or all the other pop phases your cult likes to use so much. You all sound like broken records and it gets really irritating to listen to you.

          • The reason everyone uses those phrases around you is because they accurately describe many, but not all, of your arguments.

            And add ad hominem to the list.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 3:42 pm |

            No it is because you all lack the intellectual honesty to at least paraphrase so as not to word by word plagiarize the comments of others. It is a sign of parroting, ignorance, and cult like devotion more than anything else.

          • Show me the comment I plagiarized word for word and I’ll believe you aren’t throwing whatever ad hominem you can come up with at anyone who questions you and then accusing them of doing that very thing.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 4:31 pm |

            “And buy a thesaurus, there are more ways of describing something that “straw man” or “red herring” or all the other pop phases your cult likes to use so much. You all sound like broken records and it gets really irritating to listen to you.”

            Thats what the comment in question was wasn’t it? Enough said.

          • here is why you keep hearing terms like “ad homonym” and “straw man” it is because you keep using these fallacious arguments. I’m sure you already know all of these but here is a link to a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

            so when you stop using fallacious arguments people will not call you out on them

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 3:43 pm |

            you all don’t have an original thought in your head

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:32 pm |

            Hitler was a Christian.

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:32 pm |

            Just as wrong, uninformed and ignorant as your other comments. Really, you should actually read some history before you post.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:36 pm |

            I did, but unlike your crowd I don’t reframe history to meet my agenda.

        • Gotta take into consideration what you are being open-minded or free-thinking about. All of these belief systems ending in -ism have an area of “Ok to be open to” another area of “you are ridiculed if you even bring it up”

          a sect of atheism might be anti-god(s)
          a sect of catholicism might be anti-science
          both sects are probably anti-black magic, possibly for different reasons.

          What is true? What is right? What is reasonable? It depends on who you ask…
          Its all a big chunk of the tribalism we as humans still hold tight to, it always boils down to “my side is right, and all the other sides are wrong, and I will do all in my power to reinforce this view”.

        • David Frost | Feb 10, 2011 at 8:06 am |

          No actually anyone who disagrees with them is automatically ostracized as “stupid,” ‘socially needy,” “out to get everyone else” etc.

          When someone has the nerve to question evolutionary biology, the pro choice movement, or the personal character of Sam Harris or the philosophical knowledge of Richard Dawkins, its as though someone hit a bee hive with a baseball bat.

          • DANIEL MONTCLAIRE | Feb 13, 2011 at 1:11 am |

            Questioning evolutionary biology immediately flags you as a dumb-ass, especially when you dismiss it in favor of the belief that an invisible man in the sky made all the animals. As for “questioning the character of Sam Harris or the philosophical knowledge of Richard Dawkins,” okay, fine, but do you have any evidence that proves Harris is a bad character or that Dawkins is not knowledgeable? If you question God believers and suggest that the Invisible Man in the Sky isn’t real, well, that’s like pissing on a hornets’ nest.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 12:30 pm |

            Technically I just keep an open mind toward everything, I just like putting that out there because one of you all will immediately jump in and prove yourself to be the closed minded, name calling, bigots like you are, anti-Darwin wise.

            Sam Harris got kicked out of college over getting caught doing “ecstasy,” I’m am very much a hardcore sXe, so I automatically think he isn’t as good as me, at the very least. But that is very important because he seams to blame people like me over his mistakes, and is out to try and destroy our freedoms.

            It’s been pointed out that Dawkins couldn’t pass Sophomore level college Philosophy classes with his writings.

            But then atheists aren’t very good at all at reviewing all the facts now, are you?

          • Ever hear of psychological projection?

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 2:09 pm |

            I studied psychology all my life, thats one reason I believe too. Rationalization never creates the venom that you rejects possess and neither does mental illness, so something has to be seriously wrong with you in some other way (e.g. something spiritually wrong).

          • I’m not an atheist. (I’m also sXe.) You should think harder about what you say before you say it, because three fingers are pointing back at you.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 3:55 pm |

            I could care less what you think of me or anyone else for that matter, I come to those conclusions on my own, to me sXe it is a lifestyle and an aspect of an intellectually enlightened existence, not a fraternity.

          • So you insist on having the last word because you don’t care what anyone thinks of you?

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 4:23 pm |

            Absolutely!

            I think if a person worries about offending anyone (at least over something like this) then they lack strength. Ideally a strong person is a non-conformist with little concern for their social well being. The best way to be is someone that is as self contained as possible.

          • And you insist on belittling anyone who challenges you and talking about your own strength and non-conformity because you don’t care what anyone thinks of you?

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 5:09 pm |

            Well you don’t know me very well. I don’t leave my house unless I’m grocery shopping or attending church (even though I am silent though the whole thing, and no one personally knows me for that reason, they just shake my hand and I smile and that is the only way we know each other) because I work from home. I never use the phone. I never talk to anyone online, except I love debating on this topic. I really just do my own thing around the house…I’m not like most of the people on here that smoke weed with their best pals and then drink a few beers at a bar and then chase promiscuous women. Honesty I go weeks at a time without ever speaking to anyone besides my wife, and I’m absolutely happy like that. I’m a ghost, a pretty eccentric ghost at that, and that is why I’m a ghost to begin with, individualism taken to that extent isn’t compatible with things like friendship, community, or even family as I found out in the past.

            To me everything revolves around depth of thought, the intensity of emotion, and the overall “surgical” skill that those arguments are presented with, thats why I feel like I would get into a fist fight in a heartbeat if someone “gets me wrong” but if someone doesn’t like me for whatever reason I think it is a good thing because I must have struck a nerve somewhere.

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:31 pm |

            I think you seriously need psychological help. You hole up and stay away from people then you judge folks with normal interpersonal relationships, with a god or not with a god? Sad, dude. Get a life.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:35 pm |

            Glad you think so.

          • I’d say it shows a great deal of strength to be able to swallow ones pride and move on.

          • Oh my god, you’re a troll. How did I miss that?
            “I’m am very much a hardcore sXe, so I automatically think he isn’t as good as me,”
            I’m pretty sure any real sXe kid would have some goddamn humility.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 2:36 pm |

            And let your kind continue to give others a hard time…I don’t think so.

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:50 pm |

            Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

            You get more hilarious with each post.

          • Harris argued in favor of torture in The End of Faith. That’s evidence of bad character.

          • soannoyedbydavidfrost | Feb 14, 2011 at 2:18 pm |

            Wow, you really need to get a life and stop commenting on EVERY GOD DAMN POST!!! Nobody cares what you think! You are wrong about everything you say and are more full of yourself then Gwyneth Paltrow! Don’t bother replying with some kind of “I’m infinitely more enlightened than you” response, because I just stumbled upon this and couldn’t help but notice how you were more annoying than the plague. I will never come back to read this but PLEASE stop bitching about people thinking they’re better than everyone else when that is CLEARLY something you struggle with.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 3:51 pm |

            As I’ve said before you atheists are intellectual dwarfs that have nothing to offer other than name calling and hate mongering. I LOVE debating with your kind because you are a “HATE GROUP,” and before you know it you sorry individuals are going to be doing some incredibly violent things, because that is what history tells us about your kind. Grow up!

          • Really?
            That’s your best argument? Name-calling whilst accusing atheists of name-calling?
            So not only do you use hypocrisy to try to win arguments, but ad hominem attacks too.
            Atheists are a hate group? Is it atheists that are attacking Muslims in the United States? Is it atheists that are picketing the funerals of dead soldiers? Is it atheists that “hate fags”?
            Actually, I think you’ll find it’s Christians.
            And on the subject of doing some incredibly violent things in history, let’s talk about the Crusades.
            Last I checked the Crusades were carried out by Christians and involved whole cities being razed to the ground with women and children raped and murdered in the name of a christian god. The best example of Christian hypocrisy and unnecessary violence would have to be the albigensian crusade.
            And before you palm that off with “that was Catholics not all Christians”, remember that this all happened before the schisms. That blood is on all of your hands.
            Q.E.D.

          • David Frost | Feb 15, 2011 at 1:50 pm |

            I’m simply giving your kind a taste of their own medicine they so desperately deserve

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:47 pm |

            The only thing you’re giving us a taste of is The Crazy.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:55 pm |

            Your definitely giving me a taste that you can’t win and because you can’t win your using a lot of name calling to your advantage.

          • lol I’m so stealing this line.

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:46 pm |

            I’m part of a hate group? Really? Wow, what’s the name of this group and what have we done in the name of hate?

            I’m about to go do my daily nonprofit, volunteer work saving animals who have been tortured and left to starve, and then I’ll be back to see your response.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:58 pm |

            Where do you volunteer? I help the homeless shelter and salvation army all the time. I bet you made that up now didn’t you.

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:45 pm |

            Amen 🙂

          • And anyone who disagrees with you is automatically conformist, ignorant, spiritually diseased, and prone to violence.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 5:22 pm |

            Depends on what that is. New Evangelical Atheism, most definitely, they are the most vile individuals that walk the face of the Earth. GOP and Libertarians, I disagree with them on most everything but I have met a couple over the years that I liked. Decriminalization movement, the degree that they want is wrong and based on trying to convert little kids to their cause, but I do agree that sending people to prison for pot longer than they would a murderer is very egregious, I like the idea of community service and fines and things like that being used instead.

            Those are just a couple of things, but I think with me it is an issue by issue thing.

            I have decided to make it my life’s mission to lend any help that I can, even perhaps one day when things get really bad, even sacrifice my life if need be, to rid this vile philosophy from the face of the Earth in exchange for religious tolerance of all faiths instead

          • I find Catholic priests who rape children and Islamic terrorists who blow up children far viler than Dawkins or Hitchens (regardless of how revolting the latter would find me personally–and he would) but that’s just my opinion.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 11:37 pm |

            Well I’m neither of those but I still think it is pretty heartless to give people who are into those two a hard time when they themselves aren’t the bad guys of those beliefs.

          • and i find the atheist men who rape children, and non-religious acts of terrorism to be quite vile as well, atrocities are committed by all types of people, but when it comes down to it us intelligent Christians and Atheists can put our differences aside and realize it’s just stupid dumbfuck extremists that need to be stopped, not the majority of both groups who are filled with awesome people! ie. Bill Hader (christian) and Ricky Gervais (Atheist)

          • “I have decided to make it my life’s mission to lend any help that I can, even perhaps one day when things get really bad, even sacrifice my life if need be, to rid this vile philosophy from the face of the Earth in exchange for religious tolerance of all faiths instead”

            here is your HATE speech

          • David Frost | Feb 15, 2011 at 5:46 pm |

            Proud of it!

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:49 pm |

            Who are you targeting to sacrifice yourself to be rid of? I really hope the FBI is reading this thread.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:31 pm |

            Go ahead and give them a call. I was talking about fighting with words even if your thugs come after me for it, but sure I’d be happy to talk to whoever about this.

          • Hater Frost is gonna hate

          • Whiny victim is whiny victim

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:49 pm |

            Sounds like vigilante/terrorist talk to me, alright. No different from the suicide bombers or the guy who assassinated Dr. Tiller.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:33 pm |

            Like I said, I will continue to fight with words and not allow myself to be threatened with violence by your kind, plain and simple

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 2:25 pm |

            I will stand firm even if one of yours held a loaded gun to my head. I’m quite stubborn like that.

          • Oooh paranoid persecution complex for the win!

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:48 pm |

            You need to get out of your basement and experience real life more and get out away from this dangerous rumination for awhile. Trust me, you’ll be happier.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:34 pm |

            No I lived life hard and don’t want to go back to all that

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:45 pm |

            When you argue, you should remember not to generalize or make stuff up. It completely ruins your argument. Looking through this thread, it’s apparent you don’t know how to debate without resorting to both.

        • Except for open-mindedness and free thinking about the possibility of a deity or deities. I’m not saying I believe in either, but your statement is completely ridiculous.

      • Shellsonthefloor | Feb 4, 2011 at 3:58 pm |

        Atheism isn’t a cult by definition. It’s a lack of belief, not a belief in something. Atheism as a term does not mean, “I believe there is no god”, but rather, “I don’t believe in a god”.

        The core of rational atheism, as propounded by some of the orators and speakers you’ve no doubt heard of, is only believing things which can be justified by evidence. Give me some evidence, then I’ll consider it. That mode of thinking is exactly how you destroy cults.

        • warsawjiu-jitsu.com | Feb 11, 2011 at 11:46 pm |

          Think that’s a little off… Agnostics allow the question of god to exist unanswered, whereas Atheists conclude the answer is no – god does not exist. I don’t personally care either way, as labeling ideas are only useful to a point. I would not like to label myself, but Daoism is very appealing as a philosophy and religion seems damaging.

          I like your point about evidence… Religious people feel they have evidence for their beliefs, but I understand you mean physical evidence. In a similar way as religion, I think many science based conclusions are worth consideration in which there is no solid physical evidence to prove that it exists in reality… such as black holes, the big bang, and dark matter…

          But the point is, if we conclude to not believe in the possibility of something there is no physical evidence for, then I think we are stifling our ability to become aware of the unknown that does exist – and presumptuously, though unwittingly, being arrogant in believing we have it figured out enough to think we can recognize evidence when we see it – or that we even know how to look for it.

          I don’t accuse you of believing that way, but was a good opportunity for discussion.

          -Thanks!

          • But there is physical evidence for black holes, dark matter and the big bang, in their effects on gravity, the cosmic background radiation, and how we see distant objects. Just because they aren’t directly observable with visual techniques doesn’t mean we can’t infer their existence from other sources.

          • warsawjiu-jitsu.com | Feb 13, 2011 at 2:51 pm |

            Exactly my point, John… Whereas science can infer the existence of these things based on the indirect evidence, I think this same type of thought may be used by religion in validating their beliefs – such as love being the indirect evidence to infer the existence of a god.

            Science has no “proof” (meaning first-hand physical observation) of the big bang, black holes, and dark matter… just as religion has no “proof” of a god… but I think they can both argue their points in a similar manner.

            I’m not defending religion, I have no use for it, but science cannot disprove it. Personally, I think science is a more direct and intense path to deep spirituality.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 4:08 pm |

            That sounds more like worshiping something inanimate and indifferent to me.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 5:32 pm |

            As far as the last sentence

          • Daniel Montclaire | Feb 13, 2011 at 1:17 am |

            FYI — It’s spelled “Taoism” with a T but the T is pronounced as a D. Just so you know.

          • warsawjiu-jitsu.com | Feb 13, 2011 at 2:29 pm |

            There’s a technical reason it may be spelled either way and still be correct… although I can’t remember exactly what that is and don’t care enough to look it up right now… I just remember that it can be either way and I prefer the “D” style – cuz I’m silly like that lol

          • Because T’s in standard Chinese Pinyin are pronounced as D’s. I live in Taiwan :D.

        • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 1:24 pm |

          Actually the actual definition of atheism is that of actively maintaining that nothing supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual exists. Your new wave, or whatever you want to call it, seams to take a strong delight in acting with sadism toward your fellow man.

          I call you a cult because you all think, act, and feel almost the same as every other “new atheist” out there and embody a certain collectivist and overly conformist philosophy. When you combine that with your absolute devotion to your dogma and leaders of your movement, the venom that your pursue anyone and everyone who disagrees with you, and the belief that you are highly superior to everyone who isn’t involved in your agenda, I don’t understand how you could think your will is still your own anymore.

          • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:36 pm |

            Every one of the people who volunteer for animal rescue and humanitarian projects I know are atheists or agnostics. And my life is in the nonprofit world, devoted to humanitarian causes, and I’m an atheist. Kinda reduces your uninformed and fanciful comment to mere garbage, doesn’t it? And I’m not “active” in anything except helping my fellow man, the earth, and animals. Not one shred of sadism. But I’m guessing you have it in spades, or you wouldn’t be up here being so defensive and projecting your fears in this thread.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:41 pm |

            The atheists I know don’t work, smoke lots of pot, drink lots of booze, are high school drop outs that have never stepped foot on a college campus, etc.

            But it doesn’t matter who we know, just what the facts are, and the fact is you side has no objective reason to do the right thing. Right now your side just wants to put a human face on this sick philosophy, if you ever got your way, all that would stop

          • You said in another post that you don’t know anyone else, don’t have any friends, don’t talk to people. So you’re a psychotic, antisocial troll. Good to know.

      • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:44 pm |

        You haven’t a clue. Most atheists won’t even admit they are for fear of discrimination. Cult? Really? Hmmm. I’m an atheist and wasn’t aware that one even exists, how is that possible? Where do I sign up? Links? Names?

    • There is a huge difference in the mind set. (most) atheists are ok with religious people as long as they don’t impede on our freedom of religion. (most) christians are not ok with people being atheist.

      • David Frost | Feb 12, 2011 at 1:21 pm |

        I have no problem with people that don’t care to attend church, that is their choice, but I despise the hate mongering of “New Atheists” like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Dan Dennet, Christopher Hitchens, etc.

        And gauging from that comment I’d say your experiences with Christians is rather limited, we deal with secularists all the time, and it is more routine fact of life for us than anything. Most of us won’t even confront people like you, I do so because never have I seen people so hostile to others just being allowed to freely choose for themselves what to believe in my entire life. Even when I was in the military, we were allowed to attend chapel. Even when I was in a jail cell for a while about a week after I got out the military…we got to have a Bible in our cell with us. Now you all want to act like fascists and take those things away.

        • “…I despise the hate mongering of “New Atheists” like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Dan Dennet, Christopher Hitchens, etc.”

          Care to support this statement by some facts? Like a confirmed “hate mongering” quote from one of the above or one of their books.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 6:31 pm |

            “Sam Harris:…there are many things about us for which we are naturally selected, which we repudiate in moral terms. For instance, there’s nothing more natural than rape. Human beings rape, chimpanzees rape, orangutans rape, rape clearly is part of an evolutionary strategy to get your genes into the next generation if you’re a male. You can’t move from that Darwinian fact about us to defend rape as a good practice. I mean no-one would be tempted to do that; we have transcended that part of our evolutionary history in repudiating it.

            Richard Dawkins…”What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question.”

            There you go

          • nothing in that is hateful in anyway, mr. harris first is talking about evolution of species that are not conscience beings and how the behavior of rape is part of our evolutionary past and that now as conscience beings we have evolved beyond rape where now rape is morally unacceptable, there is nothing hateful about talking about our evolutionary past and present.

            then the hitler quote, not bad quote mining btw. mr. dawkins is attempting to answer a question: what is moral and how do we decide? and morals from a morally corrupt magical being is not a satisfactory answer (when god says thou shalt not kill, then commits genocide, these are the actions of an a-moral magical man)

            can you provide actual hate speech from these people or will you just give another example of something that offends you and call that “atheist hate speech”

        • Malvern Mel | Feb 13, 2011 at 1:31 am |

          How about giving us one example of bona-fide “hate mongering” by any of the men mentioned above? And while you’re at it, name a single atrocity ever committed in the name of Atheism—and don’t tell us Stalin’s purges were motivated by Atheism just because Stalin was a non-believer in religion. You Christians have had the Crusades and countless wars that were endorsed by Christian churches (“praise the Lord and pass the ammunition” as the song goes) and actually motivated by religious belief, so name one unholy Crusade of rape, murder and pillaging that took place in the name of Atheism? Truth is, there are none and Harris, Dawkins, Hitchens, et al never did anything more than to point out the absurdity, self-contradictions and negative influences of the world’s “great” religions in an effort to neutralize their negative impact on human societies. As Hitchen’s has noted in the title of his book, “Religion Poisons Everything.”

          • Don’t kid yourself man. Wars, conflicts and atrocities are going to happen, regardless of whether they’re motivated by the invisible man in the sky or by some misinterpreted set of sacred writings. I don’t have to mention Stalin to note the numerous killings done in the name of “Marxism” or “Justice” or “Democracy”. You can plead all you want about atheism being inherently non-violent, but all religion (in this light) substitutes is that old age childhood mantra- thou shalt not kill anyone in our gang, but anyone else is fair game.

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 1:05 pm |

            No hate poisons everything and you atheists have far more than your share of that!

          • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 6:31 pm |

            Read the response I gave to Vlad above

        • “but I despise the hate mongering of “New Atheists” like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Dan Dennet, Christopher Hitchens, etc.”

          so you “despise” someone that speaks there mind, you “despise someone that speaks of scientific truth, you “despise” people that don’t think like you.

          sounds like you are the one filled with HATE my friend

          and speaking of criminals, a majority of the prisoners in the united states are christians, what happened to their moral center??? oh wait here it is: all i have to do is ask for forgiveness and all is right in the world

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:43 pm |

            I HATE people who spread HATE half-wit. You kind is one of those types.

          • Sooo much hate. The Dark Side is strong with this one.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:46 pm |

            It has been said statistics can prove anything, thats the only trick all you atheists even have up your sleeve.

            You can do all sorts of awful things and not go to prison for it, that and since you all have no morals anyways your probably sneaky enough to never get caught at all your devious behaviors

        • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:38 pm |

          Talk about paranoid. Is this why you’re a recluse and spend time spamming a board on atheism?

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 2:02 pm |

            No. Your kind always tries to have the last word with a lot of character defaming of the other side. I want your kind to know how it feels

          • You think you’re giving atheists a taste of their own medicine, but actually you’r a dick.

    • Dr. Jerry | Feb 13, 2011 at 1:02 am |

      Yes, I seriously believe that as a general rule Atheists have a greater sense of morality than do those afflicted with religion. Why? Well for one thing, Christians tell us over an over again that they have no innate sense of what’s right and wrong and that without the promise of reward [Heaven] and the threat of punishment [Hell] they’d have no way of knowing what was the right thing to do. Atheists don’t need such bribes in order to know the difference, therefore Atheists have a greater innate sense of morality.

      • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 3:58 pm |

        Thats a joke, you all use cultural relativism as your moral code, basically you are quite good at fitting into society and following rules but you really have no moral compass beyond that.

        • Just as an observer, I’m going to say that “something spiritually wrong” and “hav[ing] no moral compass beyond that” are two of the nastiest things I have ever heard/seen anyone say.

          Having said _that_, I’m also going to say that you ‘seem’ quite self-righteous and like you need to step down off that pedestal.

          Knowledge is not meant to be used as ammunition– for anybody.

          I’m just saying.

          This crap has spammed up this entire page.

          • David Frost | Feb 15, 2011 at 1:52 pm |

            “Knowledge is not meant to be used as ammunition– for anybody.”

            Says who?

        • for someone that claims to be educated you sure are missing a lot of information. There is such a thing as morality without god, are you claiming that before christianity came around there was no society since there would not have been any morals. I’m sure since you are sooo well educated you have read a myriad of books on evolution and sociology and can see where the human species gets its moral compass from but you just choose to discount that information because it doesn’t fit in with your view of non-believers

          • Thats your wrong opinion, a couple generations down the road you all really will be doing some devious things.

          • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:51 pm |

            Actually I have read a lot of such books, but that doesn’t make me one of yours, if anything it just convinces me that people are so afraid of a certain lifestyle that they try to rationalize everything away so they don’t have to be accountable to anyone other than themselves.

  27. “O Cum All Ye Unfaithful” would be much better, considering the pornography.

  28. “O Cum All Ye Unfaithful” would be much better, considering the pornography.

  29. crabs in a bucket | Feb 4, 2011 at 3:20 pm |

    about the only intelligent comment on this stupid story. A cult, is a cult, is a cult no matter what their selling. Atheism has to be one of the most closed minded of the bunch, I equate them with the evangelicals. I lead a spiritual life without the need for any group to define it.

  30. crabs in a bucket | Feb 4, 2011 at 3:20 pm |

    about the only intelligent comment on this stupid story. A cult, is a cult, is a cult no matter what their selling. Atheism has to be one of the most closed minded of the bunch, I equate them with the evangelicals. I lead a spiritual life without the need for any group to define it.

  31. Zombiepop1 | Feb 4, 2011 at 3:24 pm |

    Way to make all non-myth believers look like degenerates, Atheist Agenda… I wonder if James O’Queef is behind this.

  32. Way to make all non-myth believers look like degenerates, Atheist Agenda… I wonder if James O’Queef is behind this.

  33. Have they READ the Bible? In some places, it’s the same thing as porn. And not just sexual porn, but torture/violence porn.

  34. Have they READ the Bible? In some places, it’s the same thing as porn. And not just sexual porn, but torture/violence porn.

    • The Bible says torture is sometimes okay and Sam Harris says torture is sometimes okay. Who are you going to believe, God or an atheist?

  35. It was a snoozefest for me, so I guess in an indirect way, you’re right. It serves as a sleep aide, and sleeping is very enjoyable.

  36. Atheists like these are the reason you Godless fools have no direction or sense of purpose. “Smut for Smut” how long did it take you geniuses to put that together? They peddle this bullshit supposedly to get people to “think.” But really it’s to get people to join them in their misery/cause. Why do they care if there’s a God or not, wars would be started regardless of what you name or label religion, call it government, rules, regulation, it’s all the same, it’s an institute of order. So if they really wanna rebel against something, rebel against laws, not “some book” you don’t believe in. How hard is it to come to that conclusion… oh wait, “Smut for Smut”… nevermind, you’ll never get it.

  37. Atheists like these are the reason you Godless fools have no direction or sense of purpose. “Smut for Smut” how long did it take you geniuses to put that together? They peddle this bullshit supposedly to get people to “think.” But really it’s to get people to join them in their misery/cause. Why do they care if there’s a God or not, wars would be started regardless of what you name or label religion, call it government, rules, regulation, it’s all the same, it’s an institute of order. So if they really wanna rebel against something, rebel against laws, not “some book” you don’t believe in. How hard is it to come to that conclusion… oh wait, “Smut for Smut”… nevermind, you’ll never get it.

    • Orozco's Dissonance | Feb 4, 2011 at 5:15 pm |

      We are embroiled in two crusades, fighting holy wars all around, having ten commandments statues placed all over the nation, science taken out of the class by religious objection, life saving medical research being put on hold, I can’t buy liqueur on Sundays, my children have to pledge allegiance to god every morning before school, and you want atheists to rebel against laws, not religion? Quite easy to come to a conclusion. Never mind, you’ll never get it.

      • David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 5:13 am |

        First of all the the Afgan war was done because of 911, Iraq was done for for political and financial reasons from a President I never liked or voted for to begin with, he might call himself a Christian but no true Christian sends thousands of people to their deaths to protect our oil interests.

        Ten commandments wise if you don’t like it don’t look at it. Thats what I do when there is something I really don’t want to see.

        Science? Stem cells were only objected too because of the use of human embryonic cells, we had no problem with using alternatives to embryonic cells. Are you angry because maybe they don’t brown nose Darwin’s writings and make them required reading? Oh I forgot Darwin is the only scientist that ever lived, Darwin’s texts are the only science books in existence, and evolutionary biology is the only scientific field that exists. Oh No! Since we don’t have absolute blind faith that Charles Darwin was right and is the messiah to come and rescue us from our bondage to God and deliver us to a utopian paradise where no one even gets the farts, we are all doomed to live in grass huts and eat bark. Dawkins’ cult is so irrational.

        As far as not drinking on Sundays that is awesome, now if you could do that all seven days of the week that would be even better.

        BTW the Pledge of Allegiance had “under God” added I believe by Eisenhower to kind of wave the bird at the Soviet Union under a violently anti-religious communist dictatorship. So it has less to do with us forcing ourselves and more to do with anti-communist sentiment during that time.

  38. HughGRection | Feb 4, 2011 at 5:10 pm |

    I’m glad I scrolled all the way down to read this comment since I was in the process of typing the same response.

    “Cum”. huhhuhuhuhuhuhuh!!! He said “Cum”. huhuhuhu

  39. “Atheism has to be one of the most closed minded of the bunch”

    Its clear you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Atheism is all about open-mindedness and freethinking.

  40. Toonguykc | Feb 4, 2011 at 5:55 pm |

    BRILLIANT!!!

  41. Toonguykc | Feb 4, 2011 at 1:55 pm |

    BRILLIANT!!!

  42. Ironaddict06 | Feb 4, 2011 at 6:02 pm |

    I wonder how many girls are in the atheist agenda? I was under the impression that atheist groups considered themselves moral and ethical. I was under the impression that many women see porn as degrading women?
    I love living in America, the home of contradictions.

  43. Ironaddict06 | Feb 4, 2011 at 6:02 pm |

    I wonder how many girls are in the atheist agenda? I was under the impression that atheist groups considered themselves moral and ethical. I was under the impression that many women see porn as degrading women?
    I love living in America, the home of contradictions.

  44. Ironaddict06 | Feb 4, 2011 at 2:02 pm |

    I wonder how many girls are in the atheist agenda? I was under the impression that atheist groups considered themselves moral and ethical. I was under the impression that many women see porn as degrading women?
    I love living in America, the home of contradictions.

    • Shellsonthefloor | Feb 4, 2011 at 3:56 pm |

      Well, if you think it’s degrading to women, that’s fine – don’t purchase or consume pornography. However, pornography is not immoral if all the participants in it – actors, actresses, producers, and consumers – are engaging in purely voluntary actions.

      Some porn does degrade women. Some doesn’t. But as long as no one is violating the rights of another, it’s moral.

    • Dreamnfox | Feb 4, 2011 at 5:55 pm |

      i think this is an out dated style of thinking , i know plenty of women that love porn
      just follow stumble upon for a while and you will see

  45. Yummiolive | Feb 4, 2011 at 6:26 pm |

    Pretty ignorant for some college students to be doing this. How does physical & moral degradation relate to different forms of spirituality? What’s the similarity in that? Try staging such a “protest” in a Muslim country… you have the right to do that here but it basically is the reverse of those idiots who stand outside Planned Parenthood and protest that your going to hell. It’s just the reverse and you jackasses are on the other side of the spectrum.The ONLY reason you are able to have the freedom to do that here is because America was founded by people escaping religious intolerance. If you have no morality, than you probably have a general disregard for the law. Absence of law is anarchy. The end result of anarchy is complete destruction so don’t cry and be a pussy when someone points a gun to your face and blows your brains out for a bottle of water. That’s where the last domino falls.

  46. Yummiolive | Feb 4, 2011 at 6:26 pm |

    Pretty ignorant for some college students to be doing this. How does physical & moral degradation relate to different forms of spirituality? What’s the similarity in that? Try staging such a “protest” in a Muslim country… you have the right to do that here but it basically is the reverse of those idiots who stand outside Planned Parenthood and protest that your going to hell. It’s just the reverse and you jackasses are on the other side of the spectrum.The ONLY reason you are able to have the freedom to do that here is because America was founded by people escaping religious intolerance. If you have no morality, than you probably have a general disregard for the law. Absence of law is anarchy. The end result of anarchy is complete destruction so don’t cry and be a pussy when someone points a gun to your face and blows your brains out for a bottle of water. That’s where the last domino falls.

  47. Yummiolive | Feb 4, 2011 at 2:26 pm |

    Pretty ignorant for some college students to be doing this. How does physical & moral degradation relate to different forms of spirituality? What’s the similarity in that? Try staging such a “protest” in a Muslim country… you have the right to do that here but it basically is the reverse of those idiots who stand outside Planned Parenthood and protest that your going to hell. It’s just the reverse and you jackasses are on the other side of the spectrum.The ONLY reason you are able to have the freedom to do that here is because America was founded by people escaping religious intolerance. If you have no morality, than you probably have a general disregard for the law. Absence of law is anarchy. The end result of anarchy is complete destruction so don’t cry and be a pussy when someone points a gun to your face and blows your brains out for a bottle of water. That’s where the last domino falls.

  48. Hadrian999 | Feb 4, 2011 at 6:32 pm |

    I’m still stuck on the married and not drinking part, how does that even work

  49. Hadrian999 | Feb 4, 2011 at 6:32 pm |

    I’m still stuck on the married and not drinking part, how does that even work

  50. “People do fucked up things, end of story.”

    You can’t brush off the millions of deaths that religion has caused just like that.

    “Atheism has to be one of the most closed minded of the bunch”

    We are all born atheists. It is the default position.

    “Why do they care if there’s a God or not, wars would be started regardless of what you name or label religion”

    Do not sweep the millions of deaths caused by religion under the rug. The wars caused by religion could have been avoided if people didn’t believe in silly myths. People kill in the name of gods, not in the name of disbelief.

  51. “People do fucked up things, end of story.”

    You can’t brush off the millions of deaths that religion has caused just like that.

    “Atheism has to be one of the most closed minded of the bunch”

    We are all born atheists. It is the default position.

    “Why do they care if there’s a God or not, wars would be started regardless of what you name or label religion”

    Do not sweep the millions of deaths caused by religion under the rug. The wars caused by religion could have been avoided if people didn’t believe in silly myths. People kill in the name of gods, not in the name of disbelief.

  52. “People do fucked up things, end of story.”

    You can’t brush off the millions of deaths that religion has caused just like that.

    “Atheism has to be one of the most closed minded of the bunch”

    We are all born atheists. It is the default position.

    “Why do they care if there’s a God or not, wars would be started regardless of what you name or label religion”

    Do not sweep the millions of deaths caused by religion under the rug. The wars caused by religion could have been avoided if people didn’t believe in silly myths. People kill in the name of gods, not in the name of disbelief.

  53. then hell sounds fucking SWEET haha

  54. YourNameHere | Feb 4, 2011 at 7:09 pm |

    Going to church = brown-nosing god.

  55. You are truly stupid. by default

  56. Shellsonthefloor | Feb 4, 2011 at 7:56 pm |

    Well, if you think it’s degrading to women, that’s fine – don’t purchase or consume pornography. However, pornography is not immoral if all the participants in it – actors, actresses, producers, and consumers – are engaging in purely voluntary actions.

    Some porn does degrade women. Some doesn’t. But as long as no one is violating the rights of another, it’s moral.

  57. Shellsonthefloor | Feb 4, 2011 at 7:58 pm |

    Atheism isn’t a cult by definition. It’s a lack of belief, not a belief in something. Atheism as a term does not mean, “I believe there is no god”, but rather, “I don’t believe in a god”.

    The core of rational atheism, as propounded by some of the orators and speakers you’ve no doubt heard of, is only believing things which can be justified by evidence. Give me some evidence, then I’ll consider it. That mode of thinking is exactly how you destroy cults.

  58. Orozco's Dissonance | Feb 4, 2011 at 9:15 pm |

    We are embroiled in two crusades, fighting holy wars all around, having ten commandments statues placed all over the nation, science taken out of the class by religious objection, life saving medical research being put on hold, I can’t buy liqueur on Sundays, my children have to pledge allegiance to god every morning before school, and you want atheists to rebel against laws, not religion? Quite easy to come to a conclusion. Never mind, you’ll never get it.

  59. Orozco's Dissonance | Feb 4, 2011 at 9:15 pm |

    We are embroiled in two crusades, fighting holy wars all around, having ten commandments statues placed all over the nation, science taken out of the class by religious objection, life saving medical research being put on hold, I can’t buy liqueur on Sundays, my children have to pledge allegiance to god every morning before school, and you want atheists to rebel against laws, not religion? Quite easy to come to a conclusion. Never mind, you’ll never get it.

  60. Open-mindedness and freethinking are realitve terms. They’re more of a process than just assuming everyone who is a freethinker is an atheist. There are close minded people who are atheists, just as there are ones who are theists.

  61. Open-mindedness and freethinking are realitve terms. They’re more of a process than just assuming everyone who is a freethinker is an atheist. There are close minded people who are atheists, just as there are ones who are theists.

  62. The distinction comes from the ability to be open to new experience, and realms beyond our own. The so called (although i’m learning to dislike the distinction too) “new atheists” are completely distant from, and sometimes I don’t hesitate to say afraid of so called superstitions.

    There are important factors in both sides, and people need to understand that. When you focus on reductionism it becomes difficult and counterintuitive to imagine those that are grander than you (Note: a malicious government would probably prefer the masses to be atheists as they would refuse to think in the realms of that which is greater). On the other side if you focus only on the grand, the minute details can be lost and you.

    Pure theists know what is important but not what is true; Pure atheists know what is true, but not what is important. Trying to walk the line however is both chaotic and ordered (I’d suggest you not try to understand that one).

  63. Dreamnfox | Feb 4, 2011 at 9:55 pm |

    i think this is an out dated style of thinking , i know plenty of women that love porn
    just follow stumble upon for a while and you will see

  64. DeepCough | Feb 5, 2011 at 1:51 am |

    Hey, if I had to weigh pros and cons between having, say, The Holy Bible and having a smut rag, I would much prefer to have the smut rag, because the smut rag will not judge me, it will not guilt me: rather it will satisfy me sexually so I can be a more civilized human being (something the Bible isn’t entirely able to do by most counts).

  65. DeepCough | Feb 4, 2011 at 9:51 pm |

    Hey, if I had to weigh pros and cons between having, say, The Holy Bible and having a smut rag, I would much prefer to have the smut rag, because the smut rag will not judge me, it will not guilt me: rather it will satisfy me sexually so I can be a more civilized human being (something the Bible isn’t entirely able to do by most counts).

  66. If your sacred text was gathered and recorded by people who couldn’t handle the application of fire to bacon…it isn’t worth anyone’s time. The relevance of bitter Bronze Age herdsmen whose daily life better resembles the lives of the people you see starving or killing each other on television is NIL here.

    I will say that the Bible and Torah and Koran are slightly more useful than a porn mag though…the pages are thinner and are easier to wipe my ass with.

  67. If your sacred text was gathered and recorded by people who couldn’t handle the application of fire to bacon…it isn’t worth anyone’s time. The relevance of bitter Bronze Age herdsmen whose daily life better resembles the lives of the people you see starving or killing each other on television is NIL here.

    I will say that the Bible and Torah and Koran are slightly more useful than a porn mag though…the pages are thinner and are easier to wipe my ass with.

    • mrtastycakes | Feb 6, 2011 at 12:26 am |

      Was that first sentence intentionally antisemitic?

      • only if Semitic origin is the ‘qualifier’ for worthwhile sacred text…which given the track record so far…would be a poor choice all around

        …but more to the point, its very specifically a biased statement against any scribbling from Bronze Agers…whose opinions are spectacularly irrelevant 6000 years later. No matter what country the scribbling came from, they count for jacksquat now…and anyone clinging to them for guidance in a world full of situations that ancient farmers and herdmen couldn’t have foreseen…is deeply deeply delusional.

        • mrtastycakes | Feb 6, 2011 at 2:22 pm |

          I thought it was unintentional, but the phrase “application of fire to bacon” just made me think of Jewish dietary laws.

  68. There is a huge difference in the mind set. (most) atheists are ok with religious people as long as they don’t impede on our freedom of religion. (most) christians are not ok with people being atheist.

  69. There is a huge difference in the mind set. (most) atheists are ok with religious people as long as they don’t impede on our freedom of religion. (most) christians are not ok with people being atheist.

  70. David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 4:49 am |

    No if I actually felt that way I wouldn’t go with it. If I had a kid like that, they would still be welcome in my home and I would still care.

    And no that isn’t my religion that doesn’t allow contraceptives. I am a protestant, that is a catholic thing, more sweeping generalizations on you guys part. Besides I want kids.

  71. David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 5:56 am |

    …beats looking for some meaning and purpose in life in the bottom of a bottle.

  72. David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 5:57 am |

    Depends on what you take from it, church wise.

  73. David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 6:23 am |

    To be honest most of my friends are old atheists and agnostics. I don’t have any problem with them. What I do take issue with is this constant posturing and provocation by the “new atheist movement.” That and I’m the kind of guy that loves making fun of pop culture, fads, and trends and that is what that has become.

  74. David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 8:21 am |

    1) no one said theists are perfect, just that most of them try and d the right thing most of the time. I am very aware that we mess up sometimes.

    2) As for as all this aggressive behavior toward atheists, no we don’t condone that sort of thing, but sometimes we lose our temper because we are all still human. No one likes being called “stupid” especially when many of us have extensive education and life experiences as well. All this posturing, provocation, and name calling that are the trademark tactics of the “new atheist movement” definitely are inflammatory enough to cause vivid angry responses. I think it is very sad on both sides to be honest.

    3) As far as atheism and morality, you basically get that from cultural relativism. Cultural relativism is essentially conforming to ones society. I would rather follow scripture than base my moral choices on how great I conform to society. I’ll tell you this from personal experience. I grew up in a family that is very hyper conformist and social climbing, actually the whole small hick town I grew up in is like that. Because I’m vegan and straight edge and do really underground music and marginal art, I am well hated as the town “weirdo.” Growing up, not only was church the very least of my problems but the preachers were always very good to me and scripture resonated with me better than this constant “conform to society” message I heard at home and in school from practically every other human being that exists there.

  75. David Frost | Feb 5, 2011 at 9:13 am |

    First of all the the Afgan war was done because of 911, Iraq was done for for political and financial reasons from a President I never liked or voted for to begin with, he might call himself a Christian but no true Christian sends thousands of people to their deaths to protect our oil interests.

    Ten commandments wise if you don’t like it don’t look at it. Thats what I do when there is something I really don’t want to see.

    Science? Stem cells were only objected too because of the use of human embryonic cells, we had no problem with using alternatives to embryonic cells. Are you angry because maybe they don’t brown nose Darwin’s writings and make them required reading? Oh I forgot Darwin is the only scientist that ever lived, Darwin’s texts are the only science books in existence, and evolutionary biology is the only scientific field that exists. Oh No! Since we don’t have absolute blind faith that Charles Darwin was right and is the messiah to come and rescue us from our bondage to God and deliver us to a utopian paradise where no one even gets the farts, we are all doomed to live in grass huts and eat bark. Dawkins’ cult is so irrational.

    As far as not drinking on Sundays that is awesome, now if you could do that all seven days of the week that would be even better.

    BTW the Pledge of Allegiance had “under God” added I believe by Eisenhower to kind of wave the bird at the Soviet Union under a violently anti-religious communist dictatorship. So it has less to do with us forcing ourselves and more to do with anti-communist sentiment during that time.

  76. justagirl | Feb 5, 2011 at 4:57 pm |

    it sounds like you have a good support group. i hope they don’t dissappoint you. if they do, remember that sunday mornings are also great for sleeping late and sharing a big breakfast with the one(s) who love(s) you.

  77. Tuna Ghost | Feb 5, 2011 at 9:27 pm |

    that is demonstrably false, buddy. People are forced to attend by parents or schools or other authority figures all the effing time. Pretending it doesn’t happen is ignoring a very important part of the religious freedom debate.

  78. Don’t be silly, children aren’t people.

  79. it’s been a long time since churches only ran on a Sunday morning.

  80. David Frost | Feb 6, 2011 at 12:48 am |

    I’m a bit of a loner to be honest, I just hang out with my wife. Yes I go to church and am well liked in church but that isn’t why I go. I go because it is better than secular philosophy on a lot of levels. I’d rather go to church Sunday morning than nurse a hang over during that time.

  81. David Frost | Feb 6, 2011 at 12:51 am |

    True, I go Sunday and Wednesday night as well half the time, but “unchurched” people relate to the symbolism better and half the time aren’t even aware that churches do more than just Sunday services.

  82. David Frost | Feb 6, 2011 at 1:24 am |

    True. But parents force a lot of things on their kids. I was forced to play football in high school and hated every last second of it with a passion. I had to work when I wasn’t in school helping my dad do various projects for hours at a time, I ended up with all the back breaking labor end of it, I never got paid a single cent for it. Not only that but they stole money from me as well. I had to clean my sisters room because she was too lazy to breathe and my parents let her be that way. I have long hair that is most of the way down my back these days, but when I was a kid my parents forced me to cut it. When I was a kid my parents wouldn’t even allow me to get CDs of the heavy metal, punk, and industrial bands I liked, because they considered it obscene. When I got classical and flamenco albums instead they made it a point to make fun of me and told me my music choices sucked and the country and southern rock they liked was “real music.” I found the most awesome classical guitar instructor ever growing up, he was a personal student of Andres Segovia, had a Masters degree in classical guitar performance, and played for a string quartet for many years, my parents forbid me from going back for lessons even though he taught me for free because I was broke but obsessed with it. My parents even sent me to military school so I would “do what I was told better,” problem was I came back with more self esteem and less tolerance for the way they are, then the same thing happened when I enlisted in the military. So like I’ve said before, church was the least of my worries. I think people who gripe and moan that they had to go to church as a kid have had it entirely too easy their whole life.

  83. mrtastycakes | Feb 6, 2011 at 4:26 am |

    Was that first sentence intentionally antisemitic?

  84. only if Semitic origin is the ‘qualifier’ for worthwhile sacred text…which given the track record so far…would be a poor choice all around

    …but more to the point, its very specifically a biased statement against any scribbling from Bronze Agers…whose opinions are spectacularly irrelevant 6000 years later. No matter what country the scribbling came from, they count for jacksquat now…and anyone clinging to them for guidance in a world full of situations that ancient farmers and herdmen couldn’t have foreseen…is deeply deeply delusional.

  85. mrtastycakes | Feb 6, 2011 at 6:22 pm |

    I thought it was unintentional, but the phrase “application of fire to bacon” just made me think of Jewish dietary laws.

  86. justagirl | Feb 7, 2011 at 12:13 am |

    you’re starting to upset me dave.

  87. justagirl | Feb 7, 2011 at 12:13 am |

    omg. really?!!

  88. David Frost | Feb 7, 2011 at 5:04 am |

    When gauging your views and how I felt when I had similar ones, you must feel like you walking on egg shells in everyday life. Atheism is horrible on your nerves.

  89. justagirl | Feb 7, 2011 at 2:40 pm |

    you think i’m an atheist because i no longer partake in the sunday morning ass worshiping festivities? you are a very presumptuous person like many others on this website. i have a great deal of knowledge of the meaning and purpose of life and beyond and it doesn’t come from the vile book that you cling to. go on and go to church for all i care. truly, you belong there. and don’t talk to me about eggshells, dave. you might hurt someone’s feelings.

  90. All those things you mention have a lot more to do with politics than religion, you fat cunt.

    Next time pull your head out of your drunk ass and realize you’re contradicting yourself by wanting all those freedoms but expecting some other schmuck to do the work. I said call religion what you want, but either way it’s a all a form of rule, law, and order.

    You’re definitely stuck, all you do is whine like a little bitch about how “God” doesnt love you but “he’s not real” so it doesn’t matter, but everyone should burn their bibles because “it’s the right thing to do.”

    Let me tell you… get a fucking life.

  91. David Frost | Feb 7, 2011 at 10:10 pm |

    It’s impossible to go through life and not hurt someones feelings. No matter what a person does they are always going to upset someone.

  92. David Frost | Feb 7, 2011 at 10:11 pm |

    Agreed

  93. justagirl | Feb 8, 2011 at 12:27 am |

    wow. this is really some stimulating conversation. are you a “last word” freak? well, go on and have the last word. try not to intrigue me.

  94. one of the best replies on this whole site, most don’t even realize they are conforming through their uniform non conformity and still in the hands of the powers that be….

  95. AnotherOpinion | Feb 9, 2011 at 2:11 am |

    It seems like you take your horrible childhood out on God and believers as a whole. I went to church with my parents when I was little and instead of considering it being “drug to church” or “forced”, I tried to keep an open mind, and found solitude and rest in Christ. Just because your childhood sucked doesn’t mean you have to believe you are better than me or religious people by any means.

  96. Gotta take into consideration what you are being open-minded or free-thinking about. All of these belief systems ending in -ism have an area of “Ok to be open to” another area of “you are ridiculed if you even bring it up”

    a sect of atheism might be anti-god(s)
    a sect of catholicism might be anti-science
    both sects are probably anti-black magic, possibly for different reasons.

    What is true? What is right? What is reasonable? It depends on who you ask…
    Its all a big chunk of the tribalism we as humans still hold tight to, it always boils down to “my side is right, and all the other sides are wrong, and I will do all in my power to reinforce this view”.

  97. David Frost | Feb 10, 2011 at 10:03 am |

    Absolutely!

  98. David Frost | Feb 10, 2011 at 10:06 am |

    🙂 pretty much

  99. David Frost | Feb 10, 2011 at 10:14 am |

    ? Actually I was arguing for God and believers. I was just saying I was happy with church, and don’t really see why these atheists think it is such a horrible traumatic thing to attend church. Read to last two sentences.

    BTW I don’t think I’m a perfect person, actually quite far from it, but I love and and deeply impassioned by my stances on a lot of things.

  100. David Frost | Feb 10, 2011 at 12:06 pm |

    No actually anyone who disagrees with them is automatically ostracized as “stupid,” ‘socially needy,” “out to get everyone else” etc.

    When someone has the nerve to question evolutionary biology, the pro choice movement, or the personal character of Sam Harris or the philosophical knowledge of Richard Dawkins, its as though someone hit a bee hive with a baseball bat.

  101. David Frost | Feb 10, 2011 at 12:07 pm |

    Absolutely!

  102. justagirl | Feb 10, 2011 at 2:56 pm |

    word.

  103. David Frost | Feb 11, 2011 at 7:19 am |

    hahaha

  104. Correct. Atheists just don’t fly planes into buildings in the name of Atheism. They don’t tell you who or how you can sleep with either.

  105. Having to wake up early, overdress to impress, apologize for being human and get indoctrinated once a week apparently isn’t enough for some people. Or some churches. How much do you pay for that?

  106. warsawjiu-jitsu.com | Feb 12, 2011 at 3:46 am |

    Think that’s a little off… Agnostics allow the question of god to exist unanswered, whereas Atheists conclude the answer is no – god does not exist. I don’t personally care either way, as labeling ideas are only useful to a point. I would not like to label myself, but Daoism is very appealing as a philosophy and religion seems damaging.

    I like your point about evidence… Religious people feel they have evidence for their beliefs, but I understand you mean physical evidence. In a similar way as religion, I think many science based conclusions are worth consideration in which there is no solid physical evidence to prove that it exists in reality… such as black holes, the big bang, and dark matter…

    But the point is, if we conclude to not believe in the possibility of something there is no physical evidence for, then I think we are stifling our ability to become aware of the unknown that does exist – and presumptuously, though unwittingly, being arrogant in believing we have it figured out enough to think we can recognize evidence when we see it – or that we even know how to look for it.

    I don’t accuse you of believing that way, but was a good opportunity for discussion.

    -Thanks!

  107. David Frost | Feb 12, 2011 at 5:01 pm |

    I’m a Pentecostal, it is against my religious beliefs to “dress up” for church, because regardless of what other traditions have to say not dressing up for church is what the Bible advocates.

    How much does it cost for extra services? Nothing. How much does it cost to attend church? Nothing. Tithes are practically the same as tipping a waitress. In both cases it is encouraged to do so but if you don’t have it no one gives you a hard time over it.

    As far indoctrination. Everything out there could fall under that description. I consider Richard Dawkins to be out working to indoctrinate people toward atheism. Penn & Teller are out trying to indoctrinate people toward Libertarianism. Drug dealers are out trying to indoctrinate new people to the drug culture. To be perfectly honest church didn’t make me a Christian, secular people like you did. I was more on your side at one point and really hated it so thats why I changed views.

  108. David Frost | Feb 12, 2011 at 5:08 pm |

    No you just create mass genocides like the ones done by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.

  109. David Frost | Feb 12, 2011 at 5:21 pm |

    I have no problem with people that don’t care to attend church, that is their choice, but I despise the hate mongering of “New Atheists” like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Dan Dennet, Christopher Hitchens, etc.

    And gauging from that comment I’d say your experiences with Christians is rather limited, we deal with secularists all the time, and it is more routine fact of life for us than anything. Most of us won’t even confront people like you, I do so because never have I seen people so hostile to others just being allowed to freely choose for themselves what to believe in my entire life. Even when I was in the military, we were allowed to attend chapel. Even when I was in a jail cell for a while about a week after I got out the military…we got to have a Bible in our cell with us. Now you all want to act like fascists and take those things away.

  110. None of that was done in the name of Atheism, or any religion for that matter. If anything, Stalin’s religion was his own personality cult. I’m surprised you didn’t put Hitler in that group claiming he was an Atheist too. You should know better than to pull this straw man argument.

  111. “…I despise the hate mongering of “New Atheists” like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Dan Dennet, Christopher Hitchens, etc.”

    Care to support this statement by some facts? Like a confirmed “hate mongering” quote from one of the above or one of their books.

  112. “I consider Richard Dawkins to be out working to indoctrinate people toward atheism.”

    Another arbitrary statement with no merit whatsoever. Do you really think people will just take what you write at face value?

    The more I know about religion and religious people the stronger and more radical Atheist I am. Thank you.

  113. But there is physical evidence for black holes, dark matter and the big bang, in their effects on gravity, the cosmic background radiation, and how we see distant objects. Just because they aren’t directly observable with visual techniques doesn’t mean we can’t infer their existence from other sources.

  114. Dr. Jerry | Feb 13, 2011 at 4:55 am |

    Well there is no doubt that the Christian Bible is filled with smut. It’s got rape, incest, lots of coveting other people’s wives, etc. Add to that it’s relentless insistence upon guilt and strange obsession with death and it is a severely twisted piece of writing. The only thing that could be more smutty than the Bible would be an illustrated version of the Bible. Now that’s something I’d like to see!

  115. Dr. Jerry | Feb 13, 2011 at 12:55 am |

    Well there is no doubt that the Christian Bible is filled with smut. It’s got rape, incest, lots of coveting other people’s wives, etc. Add to that it’s relentless insistence upon guilt and strange obsession with death and it is a severely twisted piece of writing. The only thing that could be more smutty than the Bible would be an illustrated version of the Bible. Now that’s something I’d like to see!

  116. Dr. Jerry | Feb 13, 2011 at 5:02 am |

    Yes, I seriously believe that as a general rule Atheists have a greater sense of morality than do those afflicted with religion. Why? Well for one thing, Christians tell us over an over again that they have no innate sense of what’s right and wrong and that without the promise of reward [Heaven] and the threat of punishment [Hell] they’d have no way of knowing what was the right thing to do. Atheists don’t need such bribes in order to know the difference, therefore Atheists have a greater innate sense of morality.

  117. DANIEL MONTCLAIRE | Feb 13, 2011 at 5:11 am |

    Questioning evolutionary biology immediately flags you as a dumb-ass, especially when you dismiss it in favor of the belief that an invisible man in the sky made all the animals. As for “questioning the character of Sam Harris or the philosophical knowledge of Richard Dawkins,” okay, fine, but do you have any evidence that proves Harris is a bad character or that Dawkins is not knowledgeable? If you question God believers and suggest that the Invisible Man in the Sky isn’t real, well, that’s like pissing on a hornets’ nest.

  118. Daniel Montclaire | Feb 13, 2011 at 5:17 am |

    FYI — It’s spelled “Taoism” with a T but the T is pronounced as a D. Just so you know.

  119. Malvern Mel | Feb 13, 2011 at 5:31 am |

    How about giving us one example of bona-fide “hate mongering” by any of the men mentioned above? And while you’re at it, name a single atrocity ever committed in the name of Atheism—and don’t tell us Stalin’s purges were motivated by Atheism just because Stalin was a non-believer in religion. You Christians have had the Crusades and countless wars that were endorsed by Christian churches (“praise the Lord and pass the ammunition” as the song goes) and actually motivated by religious belief, so name one unholy Crusade of rape, murder and pillaging that took place in the name of Atheism? Truth is, there are none and Harris, Dawkins, Hitchens, et al never did anything more than to point out the absurdity, self-contradictions and negative influences of the world’s “great” religions in an effort to neutralize their negative impact on human societies. As Hitchen’s has noted in the title of his book, “Religion Poisons Everything.”

  120. Dr. Jerry | Feb 13, 2011 at 5:44 am |

    Jesus, Frosty, your thought processes remind me of a large chunk of Swiss cheese with more holes in it than I can count. You ask the self-directed question “How do I have fun?” and then “answer” it not by telling us anything about what you do for fun but by listing a lot of activities you “don’t” do, the implication being of course that all of these activities—drinking, smoking, doing drugs, cheating on your wife, stealing stuff, lying, etc.—are what non-believing Atheists do. In other words, you are unjustifiably applying a negative stereotype to Atheists. Incredibly, you then assert that what you’ve just done is “stereotyping/generalization” as if Atheists had done it and go on to inform us that it is a “thought distortion.” Okay, it’s a thought distortion disorder, but you are the one who just did it, not us. Too bad there isn’t a community college near you that offers a course in ‘remedial thinking.’ You could use it.

  121. Dr. Jerry | Feb 13, 2011 at 6:07 am |

    Can anyone doubt that Christianity is essentially nothing more than a bizarre death cult? It focuses relentlessly upon the death of Jesus and propagates the immoral concept of vicarious redemption; that one’s sins can be absolved through the act of ‘scape-goating,’ as in “Jesus died for our sins.” Everywhere in the Christian world—in churches, in Christian homes, even on the dashboard of cars owned by Christians—you see the most iconic image of the Christian world, the crucifix, more often than not with a figure of a bleeding, dying Jesus nailed to it. Tiny replicas of this instrument of death and torture are worn around the necks of millions of Christians as a necklace and some sleep with it dangling above them over their beds at night. It is positively morbid but the fixation doesn’t stop there. In Christian churches the faithful become cannibals metaphorically by eating the wafer called “the body of Christ” and drinking wine referred to as “the blood of Christ.” Most disturbing of all, however, is the relentless devaluation of our life here on Earth in favor of an imaginary “afterlife” that supposedly awaits us at death. In fact, life here on Earth is treated as nothing more than a shabby dress rehearsal for their “real life” after death and those who have passed on are said to have “gone to a better place.” In every conceivable way Christianity is focussed on death and dying and does its level best to diminish whatever joy of living we mortals may have had here on Planet Earth in the only real lives that we can count on. Yes, Christianity = Death Cult in my opinion and I want nothing to do with it. I’ll live my life on Earth as well as I can and I don’t give a damn about any make-believe “afterlife” promised by the church.

  122. Dr. Jerry | Feb 13, 2011 at 2:07 am |

    Can anyone doubt that Christianity is essentially nothing more than a bizarre death cult? It focuses relentlessly upon the death of Jesus and propagates the immoral concept of vicarious redemption; that one’s sins can be absolved through the act of ‘scape-goating,’ as in “Jesus died for our sins.” Everywhere in the Christian world—in churches, in Christian homes, even on the dashboard of cars owned by Christians—you see the most iconic image of the Christian world, the crucifix, more often than not with a figure of a bleeding, dying Jesus nailed to it. Tiny replicas of this instrument of death and torture are worn around the necks of millions of Christians as a necklace and some sleep with it dangling above them over their beds at night. It is positively morbid but the fixation doesn’t stop there. In Christian churches the faithful become cannibals metaphorically by eating the wafer called “the body of Christ” and drinking wine referred to as “the blood of Christ.” Most disturbing of all, however, is the relentless devaluation of our life here on Earth in favor of an imaginary “afterlife” that supposedly awaits us at death. In fact, life here on Earth is treated as nothing more than a shabby dress rehearsal for their “real life” after death and those who have passed on are said to have “gone to a better place.” In every conceivable way Christianity is focussed on death and dying and does its level best to diminish whatever joy of living we mortals may have had here on Planet Earth in the only real lives that we can count on. Yes, Christianity = Death Cult in my opinion and I want nothing to do with it. I’ll live my life on Earth as well as I can and I don’t give a damn about any make-believe “afterlife” promised by the church.

    • David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 4:16 pm |

      Can anyone doubt that the word “bigot” can be used to describe you rather easily?

  123. Except for open-mindedness and free thinking about the possibility of a deity or deities. I’m not saying I believe in either, but your statement is completely ridiculous.

  124. Don’t kid yourself man. Wars, conflicts and atrocities are going to happen, regardless of whether they’re motivated by the invisible man in the sky or by some misinterpreted set of sacred writings. I don’t have to mention Stalin to note the numerous killings done in the name of “Marxism” or “Justice” or “Democracy”. You can plead all you want about atheism being inherently non-violent, but all religion (in this light) substitutes is that old age childhood mantra- thou shalt not kill anyone in our gang, but anyone else is fair game.

  125. I don’t understand why there are atheist people, why they don’t believe in God? Maybe because we cannot see the nature of God but we can see our Lord God through his creations such as sun, moon, stars and planet. But I still respect those atheist students, I still respect their beliefs and traditions.

  126. I don’t understand why there are atheist people, why they don’t believe in God? Maybe because we cannot see the nature of God but we can see our Lord God through his creations such as sun, moon, stars and planet. But I still respect those atheist students, I still respect their beliefs and traditions.

  127. Islam forbids the eating of pigs just as Judaism does.

  128. warsawjiu-jitsu.com | Feb 13, 2011 at 6:29 pm |

    There’s a technical reason it may be spelled either way and still be correct… although I can’t remember exactly what that is and don’t care enough to look it up right now… I just remember that it can be either way and I prefer the “D” style – cuz I’m silly like that lol

  129. warsawjiu-jitsu.com | Feb 13, 2011 at 6:51 pm |

    Exactly my point, John… Whereas science can infer the existence of these things based on the indirect evidence, I think this same type of thought may be used by religion in validating their beliefs – such as love being the indirect evidence to infer the existence of a god.

    Science has no “proof” (meaning first-hand physical observation) of the big bang, black holes, and dark matter… just as religion has no “proof” of a god… but I think they can both argue their points in a similar manner.

    I’m not defending religion, I have no use for it, but science cannot disprove it. Personally, I think science is a more direct and intense path to deep spirituality.

  130. Atheists, by definition, may not believe in anything, but THESE atheists obviously believe that what they’re doing by trading porn for Bibles is:

    a.) Morally justifiable
    b.) Clever, or
    c.) Both

    While I agree with the message in theory, I also think this public display of personal beliefs is a sad ploy for attention and an attempt to stir up controversy when there are bigger fish to fry in Amurrka.

  131. Atheists, by definition, may not believe in anything, but THESE atheists obviously believe that what they’re doing by trading porn for Bibles is:

    a.) Morally justifiable
    b.) Clever, or
    c.) Both

    While I agree with the message in theory, I also think this public display of personal beliefs is a sad ploy for attention and an attempt to stir up controversy when there are bigger fish to fry in Amurrka.

  132. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 4:17 pm |

    Actually ALL of those were very officially “Atheists States.” Hitler was an odd mix of a lot of stuff, and really shouldn’t be used in these arguments.

    And buy a thesaurus, there are more ways of describing something that “straw man” or “red herring” or all the other pop phases your cult likes to use so much. You all sound like broken records and it gets really irritating to listen to you.

  133. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 4:30 pm |

    Technically I just keep an open mind toward everything, I just like putting that out there because one of you all will immediately jump in and prove yourself to be the closed minded, name calling, bigots like you are, anti-Darwin wise.

    Sam Harris got kicked out of college over getting caught doing “ecstasy,” I’m am very much a hardcore sXe, so I automatically think he isn’t as good as me, at the very least. But that is very important because he seams to blame people like me over his mistakes, and is out to try and destroy our freedoms.

    It’s been pointed out that Dawkins couldn’t pass Sophomore level college Philosophy classes with his writings.

    But then atheists aren’t very good at all at reviewing all the facts now, are you?

  134. Harris argued in favor of torture in The End of Faith. That’s evidence of bad character.

  135. Ever hear of psychological projection?

  136. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 5:05 pm |

    No hate poisons everything and you atheists have far more than your share of that!

  137. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 5:05 pm |

    No hate poisons everything and you atheists have far more than your share of that!

  138. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 5:08 pm |

    Apparently your out to indoctrinate others as well, and so am I. If we weren’t we would both be absolutely quiet now wouldn’t we? But atheists never really think things through now do you?

    And BTW the more I argue with you atheists the stronger and more radical of a Christian I become.

  139. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 5:24 pm |

    Actually the actual definition of atheism is that of actively maintaining that nothing supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual exists. Your new wave, or whatever you want to call it, seams to take a strong delight in acting with sadism toward your fellow man.

    I call you a cult because you all think, act, and feel almost the same as every other “new atheist” out there and embody a certain collectivist and overly conformist philosophy. When you combine that with your absolute devotion to your dogma and leaders of your movement, the venom that your pursue anyone and everyone who disagrees with you, and the belief that you are highly superior to everyone who isn’t involved in your agenda, I don’t understand how you could think your will is still your own anymore.

  140. Fapadapagoo | Feb 14, 2011 at 5:32 pm |

    I dunno but the song of solomon is some hot shit…

    The song of solomon 5: 3-5 I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them? My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him. I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.

  141. Fapadapagoo | Feb 14, 2011 at 1:32 pm |

    I dunno but the song of solomon is some hot shit…

    The song of solomon 5: 3-5 I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them? My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him. I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.

  142. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 5:37 pm |

    Apparently we have some Isaac Asimov wanna-bes on here that think that just because they smoked a fatty while reading “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins that they somehow gained omnipotence. And while they were away in their adventures in reefer land, Christians somehow de-evolved into flesh eating Morlocks responsible for ALL the worlds problems from insect bites to chronic flatulence.

    And then they think Christians are the ones prone to magical thinking.

  143. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 1:37 pm |

    Apparently we have some Isaac Asimov wanna-bes on here that think that just because they smoked a fatty while reading “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins that they somehow gained omnipotence. And while they were away in their adventures in reefer land, Christians somehow de-evolved into flesh eating Morlocks responsible for ALL the worlds problems from insect bites to chronic flatulence.

    And then they think Christians are the ones prone to magical thinking.

    • Way to use hyperbole and imagined scenarios in the same way as the targets of your words. All you twats who think they have the ultimate answers to the unknowable look like circus clowns yelling at each other.

      And the word you were looking for was “omniscience,” not, “omnipotence.”

      • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:42 pm |

        Well said.

      • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:54 pm |

        Your the ones that think humans are granted god like powers from science, instead of maybe believing that science is a great tool but no one is invincible like someone like myself would believe.

      • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 2:34 pm |

        Thats my satire on the subject BTW

    • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:42 pm |

      What twaddle.

      Maybe being a recluse and thinking about your delusions all day brings you to conclusions such as this, but atheists are simply realists. Well, I can’t speak for all of them, except the ones I know and myself. We just don’t believe in any gods or life after death. That’s about it! We all make the most of the time we have and know that when we’re gone, we’re gone. Not to hard to grasp, huh?

      • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 2:11 pm |

        No actually your out to attack anyone that disagrees with you and in that is a major issue.

  144. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 6:09 pm |

    I studied psychology all my life, thats one reason I believe too. Rationalization never creates the venom that you rejects possess and neither does mental illness, so something has to be seriously wrong with you in some other way (e.g. something spiritually wrong).

  145. soannoyedbydavidfrost | Feb 14, 2011 at 6:18 pm |

    Wow, you really need to get a life and stop commenting on EVERY GOD DAMN POST!!! Nobody cares what you think! You are wrong about everything you say and are more full of yourself then Gwyneth Paltrow! Don’t bother replying with some kind of “I’m infinitely more enlightened than you” response, because I just stumbled upon this and couldn’t help but notice how you were more annoying than the plague. I will never come back to read this but PLEASE stop bitching about people thinking they’re better than everyone else when that is CLEARLY something you struggle with.

  146. I’m not an atheist. (I’m also sXe.) You should think harder about what you say before you say it, because three fingers are pointing back at you.

  147. The reason everyone uses those phrases around you is because they accurately describe many, but not all, of your arguments.

    And add ad hominem to the list.

  148. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 7:42 pm |

    No it is because you all lack the intellectual honesty to at least paraphrase so as not to word by word plagiarize the comments of others. It is a sign of parroting, ignorance, and cult like devotion more than anything else.

  149. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 7:43 pm |

    you all don’t have an original thought in your head

  150. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 7:51 pm |

    As I’ve said before you atheists are intellectual dwarfs that have nothing to offer other than name calling and hate mongering. I LOVE debating with your kind because you are a “HATE GROUP,” and before you know it you sorry individuals are going to be doing some incredibly violent things, because that is what history tells us about your kind. Grow up!

  151. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 7:55 pm |

    I could care less what you think of me or anyone else for that matter, I come to those conclusions on my own, to me sXe it is a lifestyle and an aspect of an intellectually enlightened existence, not a fraternity.

  152. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 7:58 pm |

    Thats a joke, you all use cultural relativism as your moral code, basically you are quite good at fitting into society and following rules but you really have no moral compass beyond that.

  153. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 7:59 pm |

    Actually like I said before, I hate your kind’s agenda, so thats why I LOVE debating with you rejects.

  154. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 8:08 pm |

    That sounds more like worshiping something inanimate and indifferent to me.

  155. Show me the comment I plagiarized word for word and I’ll believe you aren’t throwing whatever ad hominem you can come up with at anyone who questions you and then accusing them of doing that very thing.

  156. So you insist on having the last word because you don’t care what anyone thinks of you?

  157. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 8:13 pm |

    I know a lot of these new atheists personally, and yes, popularity has an abnormally high rate of importance to them.

  158. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 8:16 pm |

    Can anyone doubt that the word “bigot” can be used to describe you rather easily?

  159. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 8:17 pm |

    Thats why society is falling apart.

  160. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 8:17 pm |

    Thats why society is falling apart.

  161. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 8:23 pm |

    Absolutely!

    I think if a person worries about offending anyone (at least over something like this) then they lack strength. Ideally a strong person is a non-conformist with little concern for their social well being. The best way to be is someone that is as self contained as possible.

  162. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 8:31 pm |

    “And buy a thesaurus, there are more ways of describing something that “straw man” or “red herring” or all the other pop phases your cult likes to use so much. You all sound like broken records and it gets really irritating to listen to you.”

    Thats what the comment in question was wasn’t it? Enough said.

  163. fucking

  164. And you insist on belittling anyone who challenges you and talking about your own strength and non-conformity because you don’t care what anyone thinks of you?

  165. And anyone who disagrees with you is automatically conformist, ignorant, spiritually diseased, and prone to violence.

  166. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 9:09 pm |

    Well you don’t know me very well. I don’t leave my house unless I’m grocery shopping or attending church (even though I am silent though the whole thing, and no one personally knows me for that reason, they just shake my hand and I smile and that is the only way we know each other) because I work from home. I never use the phone. I never talk to anyone online, except I love debating on this topic. I really just do my own thing around the house…I’m not like most of the people on here that smoke weed with their best pals and then drink a few beers at a bar and then chase promiscuous women. Honesty I go weeks at a time without ever speaking to anyone besides my wife, and I’m absolutely happy like that. I’m a ghost, a pretty eccentric ghost at that, and that is why I’m a ghost to begin with, individualism taken to that extent isn’t compatible with things like friendship, community, or even family as I found out in the past.

    To me everything revolves around depth of thought, the intensity of emotion, and the overall “surgical” skill that those arguments are presented with, thats why I feel like I would get into a fist fight in a heartbeat if someone “gets me wrong” but if someone doesn’t like me for whatever reason I think it is a good thing because I must have struck a nerve somewhere.

  167. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 9:22 pm |

    Depends on what that is. New Evangelical Atheism, most definitely, they are the most vile individuals that walk the face of the Earth. GOP and Libertarians, I disagree with them on most everything but I have met a couple over the years that I liked. Decriminalization movement, the degree that they want is wrong and based on trying to convert little kids to their cause, but I do agree that sending people to prison for pot longer than they would a murderer is very egregious, I like the idea of community service and fines and things like that being used instead.

    Those are just a couple of things, but I think with me it is an issue by issue thing.

    I have decided to make it my life’s mission to lend any help that I can, even perhaps one day when things get really bad, even sacrifice my life if need be, to rid this vile philosophy from the face of the Earth in exchange for religious tolerance of all faiths instead

  168. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 9:32 pm |

    As far as the last sentence

  169. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 10:31 pm |

    “Sam Harris:…there are many things about us for which we are naturally selected, which we repudiate in moral terms. For instance, there’s nothing more natural than rape. Human beings rape, chimpanzees rape, orangutans rape, rape clearly is part of an evolutionary strategy to get your genes into the next generation if you’re a male. You can’t move from that Darwinian fact about us to defend rape as a good practice. I mean no-one would be tempted to do that; we have transcended that part of our evolutionary history in repudiating it.

    Richard Dawkins…”What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question.”

    There you go

  170. David Frost | Feb 14, 2011 at 10:31 pm |

    Read the response I gave to Vlad above

  171. I find Catholic priests who rape children and Islamic terrorists who blow up children far viler than Dawkins or Hitchens (regardless of how revolting the latter would find me personally–and he would) but that’s just my opinion.

  172. I find Catholic priests who rape children and Islamic terrorists who blow up children far viler than Dawkins or Hitchens (regardless of how revolting the latter would find me personally–and he would) but that’s just my opinion.

  173. I’m atheist, but I feel that this is entirely unnecessary. Peace and compassion are more important than any religion.

  174. I’m atheist, but I feel that this is entirely unnecessary. Peace and compassion are more important than any religion.

  175. The Bible says torture is sometimes okay and Sam Harris says torture is sometimes okay. Who are you going to believe, God or an atheist?

  176. holy crap!! this david frost character is spectacular!!! I had to google what sXe was but since doing so i now have a firm grasp of where this person is coming from. i believe him to be a social reject, this is where a majority of the “punk” kids originate, by not fitting in with any other group they become “non-conformist.” then he is a “hardcore” christian who can only see things from his own punk christian perspective. when he continually claims atheism is all about hate, he is just confirming the hypothesis. but of course he claims to be open minded and well educated, though reading through his posts i do not find evidence of this. the only thing i find evidence of in his posts is his fanatical belief in his world view. I’m excited to see his “Punk” side come out and tell me how i”m wrong and how he is right!!!

  177. holy crap!! this david frost character is spectacular!!! I had to google what sXe was but since doing so i now have a firm grasp of where this person is coming from. i believe him to be a social reject, this is where a majority of the “punk” kids originate, by not fitting in with any other group they become “non-conformist.” then he is a “hardcore” christian who can only see things from his own punk christian perspective. when he continually claims atheism is all about hate, he is just confirming the hypothesis. but of course he claims to be open minded and well educated, though reading through his posts i do not find evidence of this. the only thing i find evidence of in his posts is his fanatical belief in his world view. I’m excited to see his “Punk” side come out and tell me how i”m wrong and how he is right!!!

    • Way to show your bigotry toward people who listen to a certain type of music. SXE (or being a social reject – can’t quite discern your point as your grammar is roughly on par with a fourth grader) is most certainly NOT where “a majority of ‘punk’ kids originate”, it’s about STRAIGHTEDGE lifestyle. Ooooh! Look at me being all “PUNK” and non-conformist by telling you you’re wrong. That was the stupidest thing I’ve read all year, you blathering ignoramus. Keep on Googling, you collossal ninny, it’s obviously doing you so well.

      • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 2:49 pm |

        Yeah dude I’m really sorry I even mentioned it on here. Yes I am one, technically I listen to the bands that are into that sometimes, but not even most of the time, the music I do isn’t even punk rock these days. though it was at one point. It’s entirely too easy to let my life experiences with these individuals cross paths with my lifestyle, spiritual, and social outlooks. I’m sorry about that man. But I want to see this point of view that all belief is evil get nipped in the bud, and little by little I try to contribute myself to that cause though I AM shotting myself in the foot the cause is greater than myself. But thanks for explaining that, I’m sorry that I even brought that up

  178. David Frost | Feb 15, 2011 at 3:37 am |

    Well I’m neither of those but I still think it is pretty heartless to give people who are into those two a hard time when they themselves aren’t the bad guys of those beliefs.

  179. I’d say it shows a great deal of strength to be able to swallow ones pride and move on.

  180. Just as an observer, I’m going to say that “something spiritually wrong” and “hav[ing] no moral compass beyond that” are two of the nastiest things I have ever heard/seen anyone say.

    Having said _that_, I’m also going to say that you ‘seem’ quite self-righteous and like you need to step down off that pedestal.

    Knowledge is not meant to be used as ammunition– for anybody.

    I’m just saying.

    This crap has spammed up this entire page.

  181. dude, you said you used to be an atheist, then switched sides… that’s fine, trust me, i relate, but…

    why are you so intolerant of others that believe as you used to believe? (that’s a rhetorical question, don’t answer that) you preach against conformism, yet you want everyone to conform to you. let people be where they are. we are all on our own spiritual journey.

  182. Really?
    That’s your best argument? Name-calling whilst accusing atheists of name-calling?
    So not only do you use hypocrisy to try to win arguments, but ad hominem attacks too.
    Atheists are a hate group? Is it atheists that are attacking Muslims in the United States? Is it atheists that are picketing the funerals of dead soldiers? Is it atheists that “hate fags”?
    Actually, I think you’ll find it’s Christians.
    And on the subject of doing some incredibly violent things in history, let’s talk about the Crusades.
    Last I checked the Crusades were carried out by Christians involved whole cities being razed to the ground with women and children raped and murdered in the name of god.
    Q.E.D.

  183. Oh my god, you’re a troll. How did I miss that?
    “I’m am very much a hardcore sXe, so I automatically think he isn’t as good as me,”
    I’m pretty sure any real sXe kid would have some goddamn humility.

  184. David Frost | Feb 15, 2011 at 5:50 pm |

    I’m simply giving your kind a taste of their own medicine they so desperately deserve

  185. David Frost | Feb 15, 2011 at 5:52 pm |

    “Knowledge is not meant to be used as ammunition– for anybody.”

    Says who?

  186. for someone that claims to be educated you sure are missing a lot of information. There is such a thing as morality without god, are you claiming that before christianity came around there was no society since there would not have been any morals. I’m sure since you are sooo well educated you have read a myriad of books on evolution and sociology and can see where the human species gets its moral compass from but you just choose to discount that information because it doesn’t fit in with your view of non-believers

  187. “but I despise the hate mongering of “New Atheists” like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Dan Dennet, Christopher Hitchens, etc.”

    so you “despise” someone that speaks there mind, you “despise someone that speaks of scientific truth, you “despise” people that don’t think like you.

    sounds like you are the one filled with HATE my friend

    and speaking of criminals, a majority of the prisoners in the united states are christians, what happened to their moral center??? oh wait here it is: all i have to do is ask for forgiveness and all is right in the world

  188. nothing in that is hateful in anyway, mr. harris first is talking about evolution of species that are not conscience beings and how the behavior of rape is part of our evolutionary past and that now as conscience beings we have evolved beyond rape where now rape is morally unacceptable, there is nothing hateful about talking about our evolutionary past and present.

    then the hitler quote, not bad quote mining btw. mr. dawkins is attempting to answer a question: what is moral and how do we decide? and morals from a morally corrupt magical being is not a satisfactory answer (when god says thou shalt not kill, then commits genocide, these are the actions of an a-moral magical man)

    can you provide actual hate speech from these people or will you just give another example of something that offends you and call that “atheist hate speech”

  189. here is why you keep hearing terms like “ad homonym” and “straw man” it is because you keep using these fallacious arguments. I’m sure you already know all of these but here is a link to a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

    so when you stop using fallacious arguments people will not call you out on them

  190. “I have decided to make it my life’s mission to lend any help that I can, even perhaps one day when things get really bad, even sacrifice my life if need be, to rid this vile philosophy from the face of the Earth in exchange for religious tolerance of all faiths instead”

    here is your HATE speech

  191. Since dave frost continually talks about atheists being hateful intolerant assholes here is a decent article as to why these people feel this way about non-believers: http://www.alternet.org/belief/149419/why_are_believers_so_hostile_toward_atheists/

  192. Since dave frost continually talks about atheists being hateful intolerant assholes here is a decent article as to why these people feel this way about non-believers: http://www.alternet.org/belief/149419/why_are_believers_so_hostile_toward_atheists/

    • I was hoping this was something of quality but its just one more victimism piece. Poor me, I believe in XXX and so everyone hates me – they’re just upset because deep down inside they see the truth of my beliefs! Atheists and Christians alike spout the same pathetic nonsense. Grow the fuck up.

      • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 3:08 pm |

        To be honest I don’t think everyone hates me, I do have friends too, I just spend far more time as a ghost than a social being. I am just so disagreeable with everyone else that I prefer to keep to myself rather than let people into my life which might not see eye to eye with me in some way shape or form, it makes it easier to handle my temper as well.

        Most of the social issues I had in the past have more to do with my involvement in academic interests, music and art styles with weren’t socially acceptable in the rural farming community I grew up in. I live in a far more open minded urban environment these days, where the common complaint now is that I’m really boring and normal, but tossing some of that anger I developed is hard.

  193. Because T’s in standard Chinese Pinyin are pronounced as D’s. I live in Taiwan :D.

  194. Because T’s in standard Chinese Pinyin are pronounced as D’s. I live in Taiwan :D.

  195. WOW. How innovative. What polemicists. So clever.

  196. WOW. How innovative. What polemicists. So clever.

  197. Atheism is faith-based belief as well. The rabid dogma that many people employ to espouse these beliefs is no different than evengelical christianity. Oh, and porn is awesome.

  198. Atheism is faith-based belief as well. The rabid dogma that many people employ to espouse these beliefs is no different than evengelical christianity. Oh, and porn is awesome.

  199. Atheism is faith-based belief as well. The rabid dogma that many people employ to espouse these beliefs is no different than evengelical christianity. Oh, and porn is awesome.

    • Would you care to give examples of how atheism is based on faith, i believe most people would claim that atheism is a lack of faith. please tell me how not believing in something because there is no evidence to support its existence is faith based. so by your own superb reasoning anything that you don’t believe to be true is in effect faith. your statements are confusing could you please elaborate?

  200. David Frost | Feb 15, 2011 at 9:46 pm |

    Proud of it!

  201. Way to show your bigotry toward people who listen to a certain type of music. SXE (or being a social reject – can’t quite discern your point as your grammar is roughly on par with a fourth grader) is most certainly NOT where “a majority of ‘punk’ kids originate”, it’s about STRAIGHTEDGE lifestyle. Ooooh! Look at me being all “PUNK” and non-conformist by telling you you’re wrong. That was the stupidest thing I’ve read all year, you blathering ignoramus. Keep on Googling, you collossal ninny, it’s obviously doing you so well.

  202. I was hoping this was something of quality but its just one more victimism piece. Poor me, I believe in XXX and so everyone hates me – they’re just upset because deep down inside they see the truth of my beliefs! Atheists and Christians alike spout the same pathetic nonsense. Grow the fuck up.

  203. Way to use hyperbole and imagined scenarios in the same way as the targets of your words. All you twats who think they have the ultimate answers to the unknowable look like circus clowns yelling at each other.

    And the word you were looking for was “omniscience,” not, “omnipotence.”

  204. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 1:33 am |

    Would you care to give examples of how atheism is based on faith, i believe most people would claim that atheism is a lack of faith. please tell me how not believing in something because there is no evidence to support its existence is faith based. so by your own superb reasoning anything that you don’t believe to be true is in effect faith. your statements are confusing could you please elaborate?

  205. So what if I brought in a richard dawkins book? Atheists seem to forget not choosing is still a choice. Atheism is a religion.

  206. So what if I brought in a richard dawkins book? Atheists seem to forget not choosing is still a choice. Atheism is a religion.

    • bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:40 pm |

      Nope.

    • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 2:20 pm |

      I refuse to buy it because that would be giving the other side money but I did read someone else’s copy and I would have to say I am not at all impressed.

      • David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 2:32 pm |

        It is nothing more than a rehashing of the same old theological arguments that atheists have been saying since the days of Voltaire onward, arguments that anyone who has ever been schooled in theology has heard a million times. But these individuals don’t really consider that and actually think that they have far more leverage and creativity than they really do.

        The only thing that changes things these days is that they are a “fad” right now and that makes them quite cocky.

  207. Bud Bundy | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:27 pm |

    As much as I’d love to sift through 160 comments made by neckbeard sporting college dropouts who think pan handling outside of a bookstore makes them somehow more intelligent, I’ll cut to the chase.

    U MAD?

  208. Bud Bundy | Feb 16, 2011 at 8:27 am |

    As much as I’d love to sift through 160 comments made by neckbeard sporting college dropouts who think pan handling outside of a bookstore makes them somehow more intelligent, I’ll cut to the chase.

    U MAD?

  209. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:31 pm |

    I think you seriously need psychological help. You hole up and stay away from people then you judge folks with normal interpersonal relationships, with a god or not with a god? Sad, dude. Get a life.

  210. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:32 pm |

    Just as wrong, uninformed and ignorant as your other comments. Really, you should actually read some history before you post.

  211. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:32 pm |

    Hitler was a Christian.

  212. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:36 pm |

    Every one of the people who volunteer for animal rescue and humanitarian projects I know are atheists or agnostics. And my life is in the nonprofit world, devoted to humanitarian causes, and I’m an atheist. Kinda reduces your uninformed and fanciful comment to mere garbage, doesn’t it? And I’m not “active” in anything except helping my fellow man, the earth, and animals. Not one shred of sadism. But I’m guessing you have it in spades, or you wouldn’t be up here being so defensive and projecting your fears in this thread.

  213. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:36 pm |

    Every one of the people who volunteer for animal rescue and humanitarian projects I know are atheists or agnostics. And my life is in the nonprofit world, devoted to humanitarian causes, and I’m an atheist. Kinda reduces your uninformed and fanciful comment to mere garbage, doesn’t it? And I’m not “active” in anything except helping my fellow man, the earth, and animals. Not one shred of sadism. But I’m guessing you have it in spades, or you wouldn’t be up here being so defensive and projecting your fears in this thread.

  214. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:38 pm |

    Talk about paranoid. Is this why you’re a recluse and spend time spamming a board on atheism?

  215. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:40 pm |

    Always good to see more atheists out and about. Most I know are afraid to even admit they are atheists. I only started to. Atheists are discriminated against in our society. Time for that to change.

  216. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:40 pm |

    Nope.

  217. bobotheclown | Feb 16, 2011 at 12:40 pm |

    Always good to see more atheists out and about. Most I know are afraid to even admit they are atheists. I only started to. Atheists are discriminated against in our society. Time for that to change.

  218. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:42 pm |

    What twaddle.

    Maybe being a recluse and thinking about your delusions all day brings you to conclusions such as this, but atheists are simply realists. Well, I can’t speak for all of them, except the ones I know and myself. We just don’t believe in any gods or life after death. That’s about it! We all make the most of the time we have and know that when we’re gone, we’re gone. Not to hard to grasp, huh?

  219. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:42 pm |

    Well said.

  220. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm |

    You haven’t a clue. Most atheists won’t even admit they are for fear of discrimination. Cult? Really? Hmmm. I’m an atheist and wasn’t aware that one even exists, how is that possible? Where do I sign up? Links? Names?

  221. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:45 pm |

    When you argue, you should remember not to generalize or make stuff up. It completely ruins your argument. Looking through this thread, it’s apparent you don’t know how to debate without resorting to both.

  222. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:45 pm |

    Amen 🙂

  223. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:46 pm |

    I’m part of a hate group? Really? Wow, what’s the name of this group and what have we done in the name of hate?

    I’m about to go do my daily nonprofit, volunteer work saving animals who have been tortured and left to starve, and then I’ll be back to see your response.

  224. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:47 pm |

    The only thing you’re giving us a taste of is The Crazy.

  225. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:48 pm |

    You need to get out of your basement and experience real life more and get out away from this dangerous rumination for awhile. Trust me, you’ll be happier.

  226. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:49 pm |

    Sounds like vigilante/terrorist talk to me, alright. No different from the suicide bombers or the guy who assassinated Dr. Tiller.

  227. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:49 pm |

    Who are you targeting to sacrifice yourself to be rid of? I really hope the FBI is reading this thread.

  228. Anonymous | Feb 16, 2011 at 4:50 pm |

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

    You get more hilarious with each post.

  229. Thats your wrong opinion, a couple generations down the road you all really will be doing some devious things.

  230. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:27 pm |

    I’m not I simply oppose people that spread hate and intolerance. Not believing in god is you own choice, giving other people a hard time for disagreeing and try to evangelize atheism to them is something entirely different.

  231. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:31 pm |

    Go ahead and give them a call. I was talking about fighting with words even if your thugs come after me for it, but sure I’d be happy to talk to whoever about this.

  232. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:31 pm |

    Go ahead and give them a call. I was talking about fighting with words even if your thugs come after me for it, but sure I’d be happy to talk to whoever about this.

  233. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:33 pm |

    Like I said, I will continue to fight with words and not allow myself to be threatened with violence by your kind, plain and simple

  234. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:34 pm |

    No I lived life hard and don’t want to go back to all that

  235. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:35 pm |

    Glad you think so.

  236. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:36 pm |

    I did, but unlike your crowd I don’t reframe history to meet my agenda.

  237. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:41 pm |

    The atheists I know don’t work, smoke lots of pot, drink lots of booze, are high school drop outs that have never stepped foot on a college campus, etc.

    But it doesn’t matter who we know, just what the facts are, and the fact is you side has no objective reason to do the right thing. Right now your side just wants to put a human face on this sick philosophy, if you ever got your way, all that would stop

  238. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:43 pm |

    I HATE people who spread HATE half-wit. You kind is one of those types.

  239. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:46 pm |

    It has been said statistics can prove anything, thats the only trick all you atheists even have up your sleeve.

    You can do all sorts of awful things and not go to prison for it, that and since you all have no morals anyways your probably sneaky enough to never get caught at all your devious behaviors

  240. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:51 pm |

    Actually I have read a lot of such books, but that doesn’t make me one of yours, if anything it just convinces me that people are so afraid of a certain lifestyle that they try to rationalize everything away so they don’t have to be accountable to anyone other than themselves.

  241. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:54 pm |

    Your the ones that think humans are granted god like powers from science, instead of maybe believing that science is a great tool but no one is invincible like someone like myself would believe.

  242. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:55 pm |

    Your definitely giving me a taste that you can’t win and because you can’t win your using a lot of name calling to your advantage.

  243. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 5:58 pm |

    Where do you volunteer? I help the homeless shelter and salvation army all the time. I bet you made that up now didn’t you.

  244. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 6:02 pm |

    No. Your kind always tries to have the last word with a lot of character defaming of the other side. I want your kind to know how it feels

  245. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 6:11 pm |

    No actually your out to attack anyone that disagrees with you and in that is a major issue.

  246. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 6:20 pm |

    I refuse to buy it because that would be giving the other side money but I did read someone else’s copy and I would have to say I am not at all impressed.

  247. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 6:25 pm |

    I will stand firm even if one of yours held a loaded gun to my head. I’m quite stubborn like that.

  248. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 6:32 pm |

    It is nothing more than a rehashing of the same old theological arguments that atheists have been saying since the days of Voltaire onward, arguments that anyone who has ever been schooled in theology has heard a million times. But these individuals don’t really consider that and actually think that they have far more leverage and creativity than they really do.

    The only thing that changes things these days is that they are a “fad” right now and that makes them quite cocky.

  249. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 6:34 pm |

    Thats my satire on the subject BTW

  250. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 6:36 pm |

    And let your kind continue to give others a hard time…I don’t think so.

  251. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 6:36 pm |

    And let your kind continue to give others a hard time…I don’t think so.

  252. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 6:49 pm |

    Yeah dude I’m really sorry I even mentioned it on here. Yes I am one, technically I listen to the bands that are into that sometimes, but not even most of the time, the music I do isn’t even punk rock these days. though it was at one point. It’s entirely too easy to let my life experiences with these individuals cross paths with my lifestyle, spiritual, and social outlooks. I’m sorry about that man. But I want to see this point of view that all belief is evil get nipped in the bud, and little by little I try to contribute myself to that cause though I AM shotting myself in the foot the cause is greater than myself. But thanks for explaining that, I’m sorry that I even brought that up

  253. David Frost | Feb 16, 2011 at 7:08 pm |

    To be honest I don’t think everyone hates me, I do have friends too, I just spend far more time as a ghost than a social being. I am just so disagreeable with everyone else that I prefer to keep to myself rather than let people into my life which might not see eye to eye with me in some way shape or form, it makes it easier to handle my temper as well.

    Most of the social issues I had in the past have more to do with my involvement in academic interests, music and art styles with weren’t socially acceptable in the rural farming community I grew up in. I live in a far more open minded urban environment these days, where the common complaint now is that I’m really boring and normal, but tossing some of that anger I developed is hard.

  254. Gaziltapig | Feb 17, 2011 at 9:46 pm |

    Christians to the lions! God, I miss old Rome… wait, let me rephrase that to better suit my atheistic views. Ahem… magical bearded sky man I miss old Rome! Too sad that I dont own a bible. Seems like a good trade.

  255. Gaziltapig | Feb 17, 2011 at 5:46 pm |

    Christians to the lions! God, I miss old Rome… wait, let me rephrase that to better suit my atheistic views. Ahem… magical bearded sky man I miss old Rome! Too sad that I dont own a bible. Seems like a good trade.

  256. and i find the atheist men who rape children, and non-religious acts of terrorism to be quite vile as well, atrocities are committed by all types of people, but when it comes down to it us intelligent Christians and Atheists can put our differences aside and realize it’s just stupid dumbfuck extremists that need to be stopped, not the majority of both groups who are filled with awesome people! ie. Bill Hader (christian) and Ricky Gervais (Atheist)

  257. Ronnelpetersmith | Feb 19, 2011 at 5:46 pm |

    I’m Atheist and I think this little exposition was quite silly. Handing out porn on the street just promotes the idea that Atheists are immoral. As in the religious world, it take all kinds. There are always some radicals that can’t think through their actions first.

  258. Ronnelpetersmith | Feb 19, 2011 at 1:46 pm |

    I’m Atheist and I think this little exposition was quite silly. Handing out porn on the street just promotes the idea that Atheists are immoral. As in the religious world, it take all kinds. There are always some radicals that can’t think through their actions first.

  259. Stickysideout | Feb 19, 2011 at 6:50 pm |

    This is wrong on so many levels for both sides. It is a poorly thought out trick by the college students to try and bring cheap publisity. On the other hand im sure they got the gross overreaction of the religious on the other side. If your an athiest, great, Im not Im a christian and to my knowledge I havnt traded in copies of darmins book for porn? This is needlessly confrontational. The funny thing out of this is if you are athiest then you should have nothing against the bible. The bible preaches acceptance and love and tolerance. However if you feel the need to criticize then criticize the people who misconstrue what the bible says for their own personal gain which is what every religion has been doing to their holy texts for thousands of years.

  260. Stickysideout | Feb 19, 2011 at 2:50 pm |

    This is wrong on so many levels for both sides. It is a poorly thought out trick by the college students to try and bring cheap publisity. On the other hand im sure they got the gross overreaction of the religious on the other side. If your an athiest, great, Im not Im a christian and to my knowledge I havnt traded in copies of darmins book for porn? This is needlessly confrontational. The funny thing out of this is if you are athiest then you should have nothing against the bible. The bible preaches acceptance and love and tolerance. However if you feel the need to criticize then criticize the people who misconstrue what the bible says for their own personal gain which is what every religion has been doing to their holy texts for thousands of years.

  261. Hater Frost is gonna hate

  262. Sooo much hate. The Dark Side is strong with this one.

  263. You think you’re giving atheists a taste of their own medicine, but actually you’r a dick.

  264. You think you’re giving atheists a taste of their own medicine, but actually you’r a dick.

  265. Why does the written word prevail? Dogmatism and idealism have been neatly substituted for “Holy Bible” and “On the Origin of Species.”
    Nobody cares about the Bible except as the most perfect icon of God we have in this society. Because all Christian thought must have its source in the bible, as aspersion cast on the book is an aspersion cast on all of the manifold christian belief structures. But the substitution of the holy text for an imagined effigy, the idea of “the Christian”, is vulgar. The Bible is too massive and diverse to admit of summary. There is as much poetry in the book as any, and some trenchant insights into questions that have perplexed man forever. Confer, for example, Ecclesiastes, Job, or some of Paul’s epistles.
    The Origin of Species does not address itself to teleology. The Principle of Natural Selection is not intended to supplant God–“How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated.” (Darwin, Origin of Species, CH. 6, Penguin Classics edition p.171) As with Mechanics, causality attributable to the mechanism of change is not the Aristotelian metaphysical causality involved in the question “why is there life?”
    If every large group didn’t end in espousing ideas with the asinine vigor of self-parody, and if we could all read and cite a little text, some of us may realize that Bible versus Darwin ought not be the divisive issue here. Rather the divisive issue must be looked for in our own rabid antipathies. Consider the unfortunate case of Copernicus and Galileo. WHy did we not learn from this? Does not everyone now agree that the earth is not the center of the universe? Why must we think that the refutation of a very brief creation story must necessarily be the refutation of God? Why would revelation be instantaneous? Why don’t we decide for ourselves and stop being so pissed about the whole issue? “Reason is not handmaid to Theology, nor Theology to Reason.” –Spinoza.

  266. Why does the written word prevail? Dogmatism and idealism have been neatly substituted for “Holy Bible” and “On the Origin of Species.”
    Nobody cares about the Bible except as the most perfect icon of God we have in this society. Because all Christian thought must have its source in the bible, as aspersion cast on the book is an aspersion cast on all of the manifold christian belief structures. But the substitution of the holy text for an imagined effigy, the idea of “the Christian”, is vulgar. The Bible is too massive and diverse to admit of summary. There is as much poetry in the book as any, and some trenchant insights into questions that have perplexed man forever. Confer, for example, Ecclesiastes, Job, or some of Paul’s epistles.
    The Origin of Species does not address itself to teleology. The Principle of Natural Selection is not intended to supplant God–“How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated.” (Darwin, Origin of Species, CH. 6, Penguin Classics edition p.171) As with Mechanics, causality attributable to the mechanism of change is not the Aristotelian metaphysical causality involved in the question “why is there life?”
    If every large group didn’t end in espousing ideas with the asinine vigor of self-parody, and if we could all read and cite a little text, some of us may realize that Bible versus Darwin ought not be the divisive issue here. Rather the divisive issue must be looked for in our own rabid antipathies. Consider the unfortunate case of Copernicus and Galileo. WHy did we not learn from this? Does not everyone now agree that the earth is not the center of the universe? Why must we think that the refutation of a very brief creation story must necessarily be the refutation of God? Why would revelation be instantaneous? Why don’t we decide for ourselves and stop being so pissed about the whole issue? “Reason is not handmaid to Theology, nor Theology to Reason.” –Spinoza.

  267. Why does the written word prevail? Dogmatism and idealism have been neatly substituted for “Holy Bible” and “On the Origin of Species.”
    Nobody cares about the Bible except as the most perfect icon of God we have in this society. Because all Christian thought must have its source in the bible, as aspersion cast on the book is an aspersion cast on all of the manifold christian belief structures. But the substitution of the holy text for an imagined effigy, the idea of “the Christian”, is vulgar. The Bible is too massive and diverse to admit of summary. There is as much poetry in the book as any, and some trenchant insights into questions that have perplexed man forever. Confer, for example, Ecclesiastes, Job, or some of Paul’s epistles.
    The Origin of Species does not address itself to teleology. The Principle of Natural Selection is not intended to supplant God–“How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated.” (Darwin, Origin of Species, CH. 6, Penguin Classics edition p.171) As with Mechanics, causality attributable to the mechanism of change is not the Aristotelian metaphysical causality involved in the question “why is there life?”
    If every large group didn’t end in espousing ideas with the asinine vigor of self-parody, and if we could all read and cite a little text, some of us may realize that Bible versus Darwin ought not be the divisive issue here. Rather the divisive issue must be looked for in our own rabid antipathies. Consider the unfortunate case of Copernicus and Galileo. WHy did we not learn from this? Does not everyone now agree that the earth is not the center of the universe? Why must we think that the refutation of a very brief creation story must necessarily be the refutation of God? Why would revelation be instantaneous? Why don’t we decide for ourselves and stop being so pissed about the whole issue? “Reason is not handmaid to Theology, nor Theology to Reason.” –Spinoza.

  268. The-Devil-In-Us-All | Feb 21, 2011 at 11:37 am |

    to put it simply: you’re all the exact thing you’re talking about. God lovers or not, you’re all presumptuous in your views. You DONT know if there is or isnt a god so how about you stop fighting like you do?

  269. The-Devil-In-Us-All | Feb 21, 2011 at 7:37 am |

    to put it simply: you’re all the exact thing you’re talking about. God lovers or not, you’re all presumptuous in your views. You DONT know if there is or isnt a god so how about you stop fighting like you do?

  270. Theojacobs15 | Feb 21, 2011 at 3:59 pm |

    The Day God comes to this earth, May he have mercy on your souls. How can you Know God if you never even gave Him a chance?God has done lots of miracles in my life.Lots!

  271. Theojacobs15 | Feb 21, 2011 at 11:59 am |

    The Day God comes to this earth, May he have mercy on your souls. How can you Know God if you never even gave Him a chance?God has done lots of miracles in my life.Lots!

  272. Whiny victim is whiny victim

  273. Oooh paranoid persecution complex for the win!

  274. You said in another post that you don’t know anyone else, don’t have any friends, don’t talk to people. So you’re a psychotic, antisocial troll. Good to know.

  275. love thy neighbor | Feb 22, 2011 at 2:27 pm |

    everyone here needs to do shrooms and then reply on this board. there is a god and most religions (christianity, islam and hebrew) are all corrupt and have been for centuries. YAHWEH is the way and always has been. we have souls and a pineal gland, which most of you don’t even speak of. there is a lot of ignorance on this post. not once has anyone mentioned the chemistry of being spritiually inclined, that’s because a lot of you are actually disinformed on your religion and have a calcified pineal gland so you are stuck in your rut thinking what you know is right. trust me, do some psilocybin mushrooms and you’ll find what you are seeking. FLUORIDE IN YOUR WATER CALCIFIES THE MOST IMPORTANT GLAND INBETWEEN THE TWO HEMISPHERES OF THE BRAIN CALLED THE PINEAL GLAND. THE POPE HAS A PINECONE AT THE END OF HIS STAFF TO REPRESENT THE THIRD EYE AKA THE PINEAL GLAND. YOU GUYS ARE READING FROM BOOKS AND READING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED. MOST OF THESE PEOPLE DID PSYCHEDELICS TO MAKE PROPHECIES AND GAIN KNOWLEDGE THEY COULDN’T SEEK OTHERWISE. THEY ARE TURNING THIS WORLD INTO A MATERIAL WORLD WHICH IS LUCIFERS CALLING. EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IS MATERIAL, THEY HAVE TO BE PERFECT THUS NOT BEING THEMSELVES THUS WHO ARE THEY ACTUALLY BEING?? ITS EASIER TO BE ATHEIST AND BELEIVE NOTHING THAN TO HAVE FAITH IN SOMETHING YOU CANNOT SEE. WAKE UP AND STOP WATCHING SO MUCH TV, MOVIES, VIDEO GAMES (in moderation is good), AND START READING WHATS GOING ON AROUND THE WORLD. I BET ALL OF YOU DIDN’T KNOW THAT YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS A BANK NOTE, BECAUSE WE ARE OWNED BY THE WORLD BANK AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS SOON TO COME. DON’T BE AFRAID! EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS THEIR RIGHT AND THAT IS LIVING UNDER COMMON LAW JURISIDICTION, I AM NOT A “PERSON” I AM A MAN! A PERSON IS A CORPORATE ENTITY. JESUS KICKED THE BANKERS OUT OF THE CHURCH BEFORE HE DIED, WHO OWNS THE GOVERNMENT AND THE WORLD NOW… BANKERS!!!

  276. love thy neighbor | Feb 22, 2011 at 2:33 pm |

    and if you don’t believe your birth certificate is a bank note then look on the back of it and search worldfreemansociety.org. our name is a contract which we never consented to. only your mother, your doctor and your father signed your statement of live birth creating that “person”. YOU NEVER ONCE SIGNED ANYWHERE SAYING YOU CONSENTED AT THE TIME OF BIRTH THAT THIS PERSON CAN BE CREATED! THIS PERSON WAS CREATED WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. just like fluoride in our water, added without our consent. its like chemtrails in the sky, without our consent. if you read the earliest translation of the bible you can see that satan never exists. it was a literal translation from latin which meant death but along the way got turned into the devil, probably where the corruption to control people started.

  277. justagirl | Feb 22, 2011 at 4:05 pm |

    you’re always getting so worked up. try to calm down. it’s morning after all. my birth certificate is on x-ray paper and i consented to my birth. i’m not about to do some shrooms – get a grip. i drink mostly bottled water and toss the plastic in a can. quit worrying about my glands and making assumptions about me. i rarely ever watch tv and i read books without the misguidance of scholars. lastly, no one “informs” me of my religion but thanks for trying.
    nice profile. did you make it just for me?

  278. love thy neighbor | Feb 22, 2011 at 4:47 pm |

    just like the rest of them, spending your time replying to a useless blog and making it about YOU. how selfish lol. as i said EVERYONE ON THIS POST. not just you selfish being. really look into what your pineal gland does and what kind of water your drinking. what do you mean you always… this is my first time ever posting a comment on this site and i’ve been a reader for about a year now… ignorance is bliss

  279. love thy neighbor | Feb 22, 2011 at 4:48 pm |

    always getting worked up**…

  280. justagirl | Feb 22, 2011 at 4:52 pm |

    oh! pardon my selfishness. you are welcome to post a comment without sending it to me directly. (duh).

  281. justagirl | Feb 22, 2011 at 4:52 pm |

    calm down.

  282. Anonymous | Feb 22, 2011 at 5:59 pm |

    lol I’m so stealing this line.

  283. shpongledmt | Feb 23, 2011 at 4:13 pm |

    yall need to read some robert anton wilson, terence mckenna, and shut the hell up

    <3

  284. shpongledmt | Feb 23, 2011 at 4:13 pm |

    yall need to read some robert anton wilson, terence mckenna, and shut the hell up

    <3

  285. shpongledmt | Feb 23, 2011 at 12:13 pm |

    yall need to read some robert anton wilson, terence mckenna, and shut the hell up

    <3

  286. Navysealteam7 | May 20, 2011 at 9:59 pm |

    By God, this has be be the longest and most stupid ranting I’ve seen on any other post on disinfo. This is why I’m a buddhist 😀
     

  287. Navysealteam7 | May 20, 2011 at 5:59 pm |

    By God, this has be be the longest and most stupid ranting I’ve seen on any other post on disinfo. This is why I’m a buddhist 😀
     

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