U.S. Army Wants Rapid-Fire Rubber Bullets For Crowd Control

U.S. ArmyDavid Hambling writes in New Scientist:

The US army is planning to field “rubber bullets” for machine guns. Military officials claim the ammunition will allow them to more effectively quell violent protests without loss of life, but human rights campaigners are alarmed by the new weapon.

The final design for the XM1044 round has not been selected, according to an order placed on the Federal Business Opportunities website last month, but the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate has been working on a ring aerofoil projectile for some years. The round is a hollow plastic cylinder 40 millimetres across, looking something like a short toilet-paper roll. In flight its shape generates lift, giving it a longer range.

The army’s existing crowd-control rounds are single shots fired from handheld grenade launchers with a range of about 50 metres — the XM1044 would double this range. It would be supplied in belts for the Mk19 grenade launcher, a truck-mounted weapon that can fire almost six rounds per second. The Mk19 has been exported to some 30 countries, including Egypt.

“The US army has a requirement for a rapid-fire non-lethal capability,” says Ken Schulters, project manager for close combat systems at Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey. “All currently fielded non-lethal ammunition is single shot.”

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31 Comments on "U.S. Army Wants Rapid-Fire Rubber Bullets For Crowd Control"

  1. I disapprove. I’d hate to think that high cost rubber bullets would wind up being pumped into dissenting, outraged citizens when cheap metal ones are more cost effective and easily obtained. Also…it seems a shame that they probably can’t make a depleted uranium version of a rubber bullet. I mean…why machine gun people at all if you can’t irradiate them and poison the servicepeople doing it at the same time?

  2. I disapprove. I’d hate to think that high cost rubber bullets would wind up being pumped into dissenting, outraged citizens when cheap metal ones are more cost effective and easily obtained. Also…it seems a shame that they probably can’t make a depleted uranium version of a rubber bullet. I mean…why machine gun people at all if you can’t irradiate them and poison the servicepeople doing it at the same time?

  3. Shouldn’t the liberals be happy that we are no longer sending 55 grains of FMJ at everyone?

  4. Shouldn’t the liberals be happy that we are no longer sending 55 grains of FMJ at everyone?

    • Anonymous | Feb 23, 2011 at 6:40 pm |

      These devices were meant to be used as a substitution to lethal firearms, not as a means to control the public.

      • “officials claim the ammunition will allow them to more effectively quell violent protests without loss of life”

        In fact, it is to control the public.

  5. Hadrian999 | Feb 23, 2011 at 9:38 pm |

    why, the paint rounds hurt bad enough

  6. Hadrian999 | Feb 23, 2011 at 5:38 pm |

    why, the paint rounds hurt bad enough

    • Bud Bundy | Feb 24, 2011 at 7:18 pm |

      Shhh… These people are upset enough about this. If they find out about the paint rounds they might crap themselves.

  7. Gdfgdfgdrfg | Feb 23, 2011 at 9:43 pm |

    Stupid idea

  8. Gdfgdfgdrfg | Feb 23, 2011 at 5:43 pm |

    Stupid idea

  9. Anonymous | Feb 23, 2011 at 10:40 pm |

    These devices were meant to be used as a substitution to lethal firearms, not as a means to control the public.

  10. “officials claim the ammunition will allow them to more effectively quell violent protests without loss of life”

    In fact, it is to control the public.

  11. Anonymous | Feb 24, 2011 at 12:36 am |

    Just one of the many tools in the arsenal of democracy

  12. MoralDrift | Feb 23, 2011 at 8:36 pm |

    Just one of the many tools in the arsenal of democracy

  13. WhiteRose | Feb 24, 2011 at 12:43 am |

    They do kill ask that college girl that DIED when the Red Sox won in Boston…

  14. WhiteRose | Feb 24, 2011 at 12:43 am |

    They do kill ask that college girl that DIED when the Red Sox won in Boston…

  15. WhiteRose | Feb 23, 2011 at 8:43 pm |

    They do kill ask that college girl that DIED when the Red Sox won in Boston…

  16. What a fantastic idea! I mean considering that actually killing our citizenry is frowned on. This is just the thing. All the thrills of killing the nuisance masses without the legal messiness, public outrage and being called muderers. We’ll just send them to the hospitals instead. It’ll keep the medical professions busy and boost the economy. They really should be working on an RPG with rubber shrapnel.

  17. What a fantastic idea! I mean considering that actually killing our citizenry is frowned on. This is just the thing. All the thrills of killing the nuisance masses without the legal messiness, public outrage and being called muderers. We’ll just send them to the hospitals instead. It’ll keep the medical professions busy and boost the economy. They really should be working on an RPG with rubber shrapnel.

    • Oh no, this will kill people. One hit to the temple, or an artery under the arm or at the back of the knee, or to the kidneys, and I guarantee a dead person. Add rapid fire to the equation, and the likelihood of this being a full-on deadly weapon increases exponentially.

  18. Anonymous | Feb 24, 2011 at 8:41 am |

    The US military, want a device to impact pain and suffering with often quit significant injuries upon large numbers of people simultaneously basically torture them into subservience (forget that arrest, evidence, trial stuff, just straight to punishment by torture), apparently water boarding doesn’t work so well with large numbers of people.
    Let’s stop the nonsense, law and justice must prevail. Not happy with what a bunch of people are doing, then you arrest them, lock them up under human conditions, arraign them before a judge, submit evidence at a trial and then if found guilty the judge hands down punishment.
    Army nor the riot police and judge, jury and executioner, arbitrarily punishing people because they’ve got a hard on or the tender little egos have been bruised, when they do that they are the criminals.
    No, nil, zero, nada, punishment without trial without substantive evidence, without innocent until proven guilty, without the legally required day in court. If your don’t think all those less lethal weapons aren’t intended as punishment and torture devices, then I suggest you spend some time listening to the Tea Partiers drool over their use on intellectuals, liberals, progressives and especially unionists.

  19. The US military, want a device to impact pain and suffering with often quit significant injuries upon large numbers of people simultaneously basically torture them into subservience (forget that arrest, evidence, trial stuff, just straight to punishment by torture), apparently water boarding doesn’t work so well with large numbers of people.
    Let’s stop the nonsense, law and justice must prevail. Not happy with what a bunch of people are doing, then you arrest them, lock them up under human conditions, arraign them before a judge, submit evidence at a trial and then if found guilty the judge hands down punishment.
    Army nor the riot police and judge, jury and executioner, arbitrarily punishing people because they’ve got a hard on or the tender little egos have been bruised, when they do that they are the criminals.
    No, nil, zero, nada, punishment without trial without substantive evidence, without innocent until proven guilty, without the legally required day in court. If your don’t think all those less lethal weapons aren’t intended as punishment and torture devices, then I suggest you spend some time listening to the Tea Partiers drool over their use on intellectuals, liberals, progressives and especially unionists.

  20. Paul Panza (who are you) | Feb 24, 2011 at 2:40 pm |

    Business as usual: the only good soldier is a dead one!

  21. Paul Panza (who are you) | Feb 24, 2011 at 10:40 am |

    Business as usual: the only good soldier is a dead one!

  22. Oh no, this will kill people. One hit to the temple, or an artery under the arm or at the back of the knee, or to the kidneys, and I guarantee a dead person. Add rapid fire to the equation, and the likelihood of this being a full-on deadly weapon increases exponentially.

  23. Bud Bundy | Feb 24, 2011 at 11:16 pm |

    You’re an asshole.

  24. Bud Bundy | Feb 24, 2011 at 11:18 pm |

    Shhh… These people are upset enough about this. If they find out about the paint rounds they might crap themselves.

  25. Gold. Is. Useless. | Mar 29, 2011 at 10:51 pm |

    When in a democracy it is the publics job to control them.

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