Will San Francisco Ban Circumcision Via The Male Genital Mutilation (MGM) Bill?

Photo: Franco Folini (CC)

Photo: Franco Folini (CC)

Jennifer Lance writing for the Eco Child’s Play blog:

According to the San Francisco Male Genital Mutilation (MGM) bill, 90% of baby borns born in the city leave the hospital intact. Lloyd Schofield would like to raise that figure to 100% by putting a bill on the November 2011 ballot. The initiative language, which would make circumcision a misdemeanor offense, includes:

ARTICLE 50: GENITAL CUTTING OF MALE MINORS

SEC. 5001. PROHIBITION OF GENITAL CUTTING OF MALE MINORS.
Except as provided in SEC. 5002, it is unlawful to circumcise, excise, cut, or mutilate the whole or any part of the foreskin, testicles, or penis of another person who has not attained the age of 18 years…

Jennifer goes on to say “Our little boys deserve the same protection as our little girls!”

  • Payrollpinky

    Who ever believes this shit is a fucking morone and deserves all the nasty shit that goes along with that extra skin. If you don’t want to have your baby circumsized than fine but don’t punish people who do. That is control that only the family should have and never any Government interaction whatsoever. And please show me a man at 18 that says “whew, Im so glad my parents didn’t nip my tip, but now that Im at that ripe o’l age I gues it’s time since every time a girl sees the funk growing down there they won’t get near it” Go Jennifer, it’s ur birthday keep protecting ur kids. IDIOT!!!

  • Payrollpinky

    Who ever believes this shit is a fucking morone and deserves all the nasty shit that goes along with that extra skin. If you don’t want to have your baby circumsized than fine but don’t punish people who do. That is control that only the family should have and never any Government interaction whatsoever. And please show me a man at 18 that says “whew, Im so glad my parents didn’t nip my tip, but now that Im at that ripe o’l age I gues it’s time since every time a girl sees the funk growing down there they won’t get near it” Go Jennifer, it’s ur birthday keep protecting ur kids. IDIOT!!!

    • ollollo

      You’re ignorant. I can understand you’re upset because it crosses into culturally held beliefs of some people. But you shouldn’t make callous remarks about those men who are uncircumsized e.g. “the funk growing down there”? I am uncircumsized and I have no “funk” or “smegma” or anything else down there but a clean penis, I have running water.

      Having said that, just because something is a religious or cultural tradition, does not mean it should be protected by the law, if that tradition harms people. Circumcision has hurt some individuals in the past and it’s medically unnecessary. So more power to the people of San Fran!

      • Payrollpinky

        Let’s do some homework shall we. There are more than religious and cultural reasons for getting circumcised. 1st make sure you teach your young boy if you have one how to clean it because if he doesn’t problems can and will most likely occur, most common would be cancer of the penis. Things tend to thrive and grow in that foreskin you hold so dearly. 2nd if any infection is in there, it stays and will jump to any partner much easier than a circumcised man. 3rd Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious; circumcision makes this 10 times less likely to happen. 4th If you don’t talk to your uncircumcised kid about how to maintain their penis, when they do reach puberty or whenever, they can develop serious problems that they will be to scared to talk about and this could develop into something bad and even death all because he wasn’t circumcised. 750 million males in the UK alone couldn’t be wrong. So there is no ignorance here just someone who got a little pissed off at a matter that is very serious. Why wait until something bad happens to have circumcision, the pros far out weigh the cons.

        • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

          So, let me get this straight:

          Circumcision should be kept around because we are too culturally embarrassed to talk to our own kids about genital hygiene?

          So we just have to let them figure everything out on their own or let public school teach them in a 15 minute session everything about genitalia, sex, reproduction, disease, hygiene, and the like. Because we find it awkward to suck up our own pride or whatever is stopping us to talk to another human being that we are responsible for?

          This is yet another problem (disease) that could be prevented by cultural means, but instead we turn to surgery to make life just that more dumbed down and messed up without considering all the other problems down the line since they ‘just aren’t my problem’ as a surgeon might say.

          • Jenniferashe

            Well, we all can see that there are so many parents out there that just deal with these situations. Given that roughly 50% of children grow up in a single parent household these days, how and who exactly is going to have that discussion? And as for cleanliness, give me a break. Show me a 12 year old child that stays clean, and I’ll crap a golden twinkie. Few questions, why does it seem as though an overwhelmingly number of gay people are suporting this? Don’t give me the “socially enlightended” crap either. There is this disinformation campaign going on tht there are huge numbers of boys that this surgery goes horribly wrong more times than not. This is just not true. The probably of an infant circumcision going wrong is roughly equivolent to that of any other problems and/or complications that an infant may experience in the hospital. Give me a break. Yay for California being the voice of reason for a change. (Can’t believe I just said that)

    • AmyLynMorgan

      Any man who has an intact penis would say he is glad that is parents didn’t take away nerve endings that make sex feel better. Foreskin protects the sensitive head of the penis the same way that labia protect the sensitive female clitoris – cut of the labia (female genital mutilation, which is still practiced across the world) and the clit will become desensitized due to over stimulation… same with the head of the penis. There is nothing gross or smelly about an uncircumcised penis – as long as you clean it – but hey – that goes for circumcised penises too.

      I hate government control and intervention into private matters – but that is why this is a good law – it stops any one from chopping of dick-tips until the BOY CAN DECIDE FOR HIMSELF… that is the interest the state is trying to protect – the child’s. The parents should have no say.

      Also – sometimes they make a mistake and cut off too much skin making erections painful (this happened to a friend of mine and still affects him even though he is in his 20′s) and you can see an extreme case of this in “Dr. Money and the boy with no penis”

      So before you go calling names – why don’t we all just just say “LET THE MAN DECIDE FOR HIMSELF”

      • Payrollpinky

        First off shit happens in all cases of any small surgery, no matter what. Let’s do some homework shall we. There are more than religious and cultural reasons for getting circumcised. 1st make sure you teach your young boy if you have one how to clean it because if he doesn’t problems can and will most likely occur, most common would be cancer of the penis. Things tend to thrive and grow in that foreskin you hold so dearly. 2nd if any infection is in there, it stays and will jump to any partner much easier than a circumcised man. 3rd Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious; circumcision makes this 10 times less likely to happen. 4th If you don’t talk to your uncircumcised kid about how to maintain their penis, when they do reach puberty or whenever, they can develop serious problems that they will be to scared to talk about and this could develop into something bad and even death all because he wasn’t circumcised. 750 million males in the UK alone couldn’t be wrong. So there is no ignorance here just someone who got a little pissed off at a matter that is very serious.

        • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

          If you’re gunna be a jerk and re-post the same wall of text, I’ll do the same to you.

          So, let me get this straight:

          Circumcision should be kept around because we are too culturally embarrassed to talk to our own kids about genital hygiene?

          So we just have to let them figure everything out on their own or let public school teach them in a 15 minute session everything about genitalia, sex, reproduction, disease, hygiene, and the like. Because we find it awkward to suck up our own pride or whatever is stopping us to talk to another human being that we are responsible for?

          This is yet another problem (disease) that could be prevented by cultural means, but instead we turn to surgery to make life just that more dumbed down and messed up without considering all the other problems down the line since they ‘just aren’t my problem’ as a surgeon might say.

        • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

          “most common would be cancer of the penis.” Do you live in bizarro backwards land? Penile cancer is one of the RAREST of cancers, so rare it is hard to get good figures, but rarer than male breast cancer, rarer than the corresponding female cancers, rarer in non-circumcising Denmark than the US, It occurs primarily in old men who have neglected their hygiene for decades.

          By circumcision advocates’ own figures, it would take more than 440 circumcisions to prevent one UTI – which can be treated when it occurs.

          “750 million males in the UK alone couldn’t be wrong.” That figure is ex-recto. The male population of the UK is about 30 million, and apart from a bit of a craze in the 1910s-1940s, the great majority of them have always been intact.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QLBMTCYE5TUECHVP5YSRLES4TI chrisf

      you have chosen to live in frightening ignorance

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=580380351 Potter Dee

      Do you not know how to wash your self?

      • Montanacrossroads

        if you can teach a kid to brush his teeth you can teach him to wash his dick!

        • Jordan

          Just curious, are you going to show your son how to pull the skin back for the first few times until he learns? I don’t know, but I’m sure glad my mother and father weren’t handling my dick at any point in my life. I think this is just a result of our penis-obsessed society with drugs like Viagra and Cialis fueling this crap. I don’t understand where you people get off thinking your parents decided to short you pleasure as a child. It was an option and I’m sure your parents, as well as mine, made the best decision they could based on the information that was provided. Should there be more education on the choice at hand? Well, of course. Circumcision shouldn’t be assumed, but parents reserve this right, whether it is for religious purposes or not. A baby doesn’t have rights. It is always the parents choice. Just like deciding to give birth is even a choice. And I don’t think comparing this to women’s clits being removed is relevant. They _remove_ their clits entirely. If that isn’t cruel and inhumane, I don’t know what is. Who has such a serious problem with the functioning of their penis to impose this crap on the rest of us? I’m grateful for what I have and I’m glad my parents didn’t put me through the embarrassment of having a wrinkly petri dish of a dick.

          • linda

            Wiping poopy butts isn’t one of my favorite parts of parenting but until i feel my kid can do it him/herself properly(about 3 yrs old) i will continue to help…… if your parents did’nt want to help you wash that “part” your penis then they had the right to cut it off…i just hope you aren’t walking around with a crusty -poop caked crack because of their “hands off” approach ewwe…and yes sadly….just like every other part of our body..we have been made to see natural as ugly..this is why most women are walking around with bags of silicone or saline implanted into their chests…..this is why people have fat and fluids sucked from their body’s with vaccuume type machines on their lunch breaks…and needles injected in their lips and eyelids on a weekly basis….natural is ugly to some like you …cut it off…suck it out….. your parents may have saved you from having a ” wrinkly dick.”….but in doing so they left you with a twisted preception….

          • Randomguy

            My father made sure he showed me how to clean. He simply came in when I was showering one day and told me what to do, and that was it! I had a checkup once and the doctor also asked if I knew how to retract and clean, because he was going to tell me how if I didn’t. It’s REALLY not hard to do at all lol, it’s not rocket science like you make it seem! Btw, I’m pretty proud of my natural member, love to show it off when I can.

          • Randomguy

            I would also like to state that my father was circumcised yet he still knew what to tell me…..it’s not that hard REALLY lol.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=580380351 Potter Dee

        I’ve seen people with filthy belly buttons, ears, nails, toes, assholes… I guess we should probably remove all those parts too!

      • Payrollpinky

        Yup, but I don’t have to worry about getting any yeast infection . I’m sure that goes with the territory of uncircumcision. Have fun with your mushrooms

        • Randomguy

          Circumcised men can and DO get yeast infections, I don’t know where you got that from that you can’t.

        • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

          Obviously you know not. Yeast infections are the same for intact and circumcised. That’s fact. what is supposition is there may be less yeast infections because males are told to use soap and water. This can cause an imbalance of the natural pH maintained by the foreskin. Wrong pH can cause irritation and infection. Bubble bath is the worst. It is logical- the inside of the foreskin is like the inside of the mouth and vagina. One would use soap inside the mouth and vagina would one!

    • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

      “That is control that only the family should have and never any Government interaction whatsoever.”
      As one man said, but in more colourful language: “My family doesn’t [urinate] with my [penis], my family doesn’t [masturbate] with my [penis] and my family doesn’t [have sexual intercourse] with my [penis], so what business was it of my family to go cutting part off of my [penis]?

  • ollollo

    You’re ignorant. I can understand you’re upset because it crosses into culturally held beliefs of some people. But you shouldn’t make callous remarks about those men who are uncircumsized e.g. “the funk growing down there”? I am uncircumsized and I have no “funk” or “smegma” or anything else down there but a clean penis, I have running water.

    Having said that, just because something is a religious or cultural tradition, does not mean it should be protected by the law, if that tradition harms people. Circumcision has hurt some individuals in the past and it’s medically unnecessary. So more power to the people of San Fran!

  • Anonymous

    This is probably one of the worst things about the US, is that a bunch of fuckin retards are constantly telling YOU how YOU should live YOUR life….god damn it, I hate the US sometimes…Why cant people just worry about their own god damn lives, instead of fucking with everyone else!?!? Jesus Christ!

  • Robobagons

    This is probably one of the worst things about the US, is that a bunch of fuckin retards are constantly telling YOU how YOU should live YOUR life….god damn it, I hate the US sometimes…Why cant people just worry about their own god damn lives, instead of fucking with everyone else!?!? Jesus Christ!

    “”Re-Edited””: (Read the comment I posted on “Andrew’s” comment to this)

    • Andrew

      Yeah, fuckin retarded parents should just worry about their own god damn lives instead of fucking with their male children’s penises!

      • Robobagons

        Alright so I missed the whole 18 year old part, If they were to do that, and leave it up to the person them selves whether they want it done or not, I can agree with that, now that it makes sense lol. I realize that passing this might anger religious groups, but its not a forever thing, and once the child/growing adult, is comfortable with going through with the circumcision, then they can still do so if their religion requires it or if they just want it done. But for parent’s to force that upon their children is stupid, because I for one am not religious in any way that people categorize them selves today, let alone christian, so if I was circumcised, which I am, but something had gone wrong, I would have resented the religion further more, considering that was the only basis for it being done. I freaked out because I had missed that part, and figured it was just about everything else…So I apologize for being retarded, and agree with them trying to pass this =).

    • Observing Ego

      Freedom of choice is one thing. Taking choice away from a child is another. If guys want circumcisions for themselves, when they’re old enough to make the choice, no one is stopping them.

  • Andrew

    Yeah, fuckin retarded parents should just worry about their own god damn lives instead of fucking with their male children’s penises!

  • AmyLynMorgan

    Any man who has an intact penis would say he is glad that is parents didn’t take away nerve endings that make sex feel better. Foreskin protects the sensitive head of the penis the same way that labia protect the sensitive female clitoris – cut of the labia (female genital mutilation, which is still practiced across the world) and the clit will become desensitized due to over stimulation… same with the head of the penis. There is nothing gross or smelly about an uncircumcised penis – as long as you clean it – but hey – that goes for circumcised penises too.

    I hate government control and intervention into private matters – but that is why this is a good law – it stops any one from chopping of dick-tips until the BOY CAN DECIDE FOR HIMSELF… that is the interest the state is trying to protect – the child’s. The parents should have no say.

    Also – sometimes they make a mistake and cut off too much skin making erections painful (this happened to a friend of mine and still affects him even though he is in his 20′s) and you can see an extreme case of this in “Dr. Money and the boy with no penis”

    So before you go calling names – why don’t we all just just say “LET THE MAN DECIDE FOR HIMSELF”

  • kevin

    I hope it does pass, I am foreign therefore I am not circumcised and I have never had any problem with any sexual partner, in fact they can’t even tell because by the time we get down to business it looks pretty much the same as a circumcised one exept with out any scars and also I know alot of guys who wished they weren’t cut. I guess what it all comes down to is where you live and how educated people are about human anatomy.

  • kevin

    I hope it does pass, I am foreign therefore I am not circumcised and I have never had any problem with any sexual partner, in fact they can’t even tell because by the time we get down to business it looks pretty much the same as a circumcised one exept with out any scars and also I know alot of guys who wished they weren’t cut. I guess what it all comes down to is where you live and how educated people are about human anatomy.

  • Anonymous

    Alright so I missed the whole 18 year old part, If they were to do that, and leave it up to the person them selves whether they want it done or not, I can agree with that, now that it makes sense lol. I freaked out because I had missed that part, and figured it was just about everything else…So I apologize for being retarded =).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QLBMTCYE5TUECHVP5YSRLES4TI chrisf

    you have chosen to live in frightening ignorance

  • Anonymous

    no, but more education on the subject is needed

  • samthor

    no, but more education on the subject is needed

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=580380351 Potter Dee

    Do you not know how to wash your self?

  • Cocky

    Less government is better government. Circumcision lowers the risk of catching AIDS, we are pushing it in Africa. And for most men, who last about three minutes, less nerves might improve their staying power and make for a better sex life

  • Cocky

    Less government is better government. Circumcision lowers the risk of catching AIDS, we are pushing it in Africa. And for most men, who last about three minutes, less nerves might improve their staying power and make for a better sex life

    • Monkeydata

      use a rubber dummy, not sugery!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=580380351 Potter Dee

      Lets see some science on that “lowers the risk of AIDS”

      • Payrollpinky

        Are you serious? Let’s think about that for a second. Bacteria and diseases like warm places, such as the skin around your knob. So when having sex it makes it a whole hell of a lot easier to jump to the next person. No science here, just logic.

        • Grek

          So is circumcision the solution then to preventing aids? Are we assuming that men are incapable of proper hygiene and can’t keep their own dicks clean? Ever heard of soap? No science here, just common sense.

          • Payrollpinky

            I said nothing about preventing it, and I’m also not talking about the people who do clean themselves. But there are the people who don’t and who are uncircumcised, those are the ones you need to worry about. Bottom line un circumcision has the increased chance of passing a disease like AIDS vs circumcision. Not science, just reality.

      • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Franck McGinness

        http://www.ias-2005.org/planner/Abstracts.aspx?AID=3138 (abstract) “Female circumcision and HIV in Tanzania: for better or for worse?

        Here are some studies that show a correlation between female circumcision and
        a lowered HIV transmission rate. I somehow doubt that the WHO or UNAIDS would
        ever take them seriously though.

        Stallings et al. 2009
        “Risk of HIV among women who had undergone Female Circumcision is roughly
        half that of women who had not. Association remained significant after
        adjusting for region, household, wealth, age, lifetime partners and union
        status.”
        Female circumcision and HIV infection in Tanzania:
        For better or for worse?
        3rd IAS conference on HIV pathogenesis and treatment
        International AIDS Society

        “Women who have undergone Female Circumcision have a significantly decreased
        risk of HIV-2 infection when compared to those who had not.”
        Kanki P, M’Boup S, Marlink R, et al.
        “Prevalence & risk determinants of HIV type 2
        (HIV-2) and human immunodeficiency virus type 1
        (HIV1) in west African female prostitutes
        Am. J. Epidemiol. 136 (7): 895-907. PMID

        You might tell me that female circumcision causes all this damage, that women
        lose the ability to orgasm. “Studies show” that male circumcision “doesn’t
        affect satisfaction”, and thus this is why circumcision can be recommended.
        But did you know, studies ALSO show that women who have been circumcised do
        not lose their ability to orgasm? In fact, women who have undergone
        infibulation, which is the worst kind of female genital mutilation in the
        world, are still able to orgasm.

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17970975

        http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2837-female-circumcision-does-not-
        reduce-sexual-activity.html

        Still, others claim that having one´s labia removed actually INCREASES
        “satisfaction.”

        http://www.labiaplastysurgeon.com/labiaplasty-clinical-study.html

        Please understand that I am in no way trying to justify female circumcision.

    • I feel my dick

      “for most men, who last about three minutes, less nerves might improve their staying power and make for a better sex life”. So stupid.
      Maybe the fact that masturbation is considered filthy, disgusting, sinful, wrong, perverted, etc. is the problem causing the 3 minute sex.
      Generally speaking, when teens start masturbating they feel ashamed, embarrassed and guilty. They finish the job as soon as possible so they don’t get caught. This training is carried with them until they are sexually active, thus the one pump dump.
      If teens learned how to masturbate properly they would turn into fantastic lovers once sexually active.

      • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

        The foreskin is the male’s built in surrogate vagina that teaches the male how best pleasure himself thus also his partner both in technique and duration. Having the foreskin gone one gets use to the firmness of his hand which is nothing like the vagina. And don’t cut men hate it when their woman holds em tight when she is orgasms so it’s hard to get any feel from nil thrust and so afterwards the man has to start all over to cum. This isn’t a problem when intact because so little thrusting is necessary, she holds tight, there’s still enough to feel!

    • razzlebathbone

      “Less government is better government.”

      I agree. That’s why we should repeal the laws against murder, assault, theft, fraud, contract violation and counterfeiting. Get government off our backs!

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      “…And for most men, who last about three minutes, less nerves might improve their staying power and make for a better sex life”

      This is a big pile of steaming disinformation. It seems the whole argument about circumcision hinges on a lot of regurgitated false rumor.

      The nerve endings are essentially for lack of a better word, your eyes down there. Without them you are flying blind. Pre-mature ejaculation does not happen from overstimulation, it comes from unbalanced stimulation where you accidentally fall off a cliff because you don’t know whats going on. The only option for a circumsized person to lengthen the duration is to numb himself to the experience altogether as he is essentially deaf to the language of intercourse. But that obviously reduces the pleasure of the experience in another way.

      There are plenty of other answers talking about how wrong you are about the AIDS spreading, but the scary thing is that many people believe both of these fallacies.

    • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

      That’s why the USA has the highest HIV rate AND the highest circumcision rate, of ALL advanced nations.
      Please when dealing with HIV go to http://www.CircumcisionAndHIV.com

      http://tinyurl.com/yks9apv 1/5 HIV Infections Caused by Medical Staff (5million/yr,Africa,09) papers backed by Royal Society of Medicine
      # AIDSMAP: Circumcision’s Effectiveness A Distant Third http://bit.ly/9V8z3
      Reading: “Dr. DEAN EDELL: The AIDS/Circumcision Fallacy” (http://twitthis.com/hop83u)
      http://www.times.co.sz/index.php?news=20909 More circumcised men are HIV positive (Swaziland)
      http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/ Circumcision and HIV Infection (langerin)

  • Harry

    only in San Francisco! I am not religous, but i have been circumcised. dont even remember the procedure as it was done when i was just a few days old. This bill is along the same lines as laws that prohibit sodomy. Get the governement out of private family matters. I am waiting for a bill that bans burkas as they have done in France. Stop this nonsense.

  • Harry

    only in San Francisco! I am not religous, but i have been circumcised. dont even remember the procedure as it was done when i was just a few days old. This bill is along the same lines as laws that prohibit sodomy. Get the governement out of private family matters. I am waiting for a bill that bans burkas as they have done in France. Stop this nonsense.

    • Monkeydata

      you are prtially right…if you use the analogy that this bill is along the same lines as laws that prohibit sodomy!…you need to add Prohibit Sodomy on children!! this is not just a simple family matter….it is Barbaric and ignorant!

      • Payrollpinky

        Coming from a medical family there are far more barbaric things one can do to their child, but circumsizing them I believe shows the love that family has for that child knowing that they will preventing a lot of bad things that could happen to that child if he were uncircumsized.

        • pollob

          you may be from a medical family, good for you, I take it you must be a doctor then. I am not from a medical family, but I am a 25 year old man with an uncircumsized penis; I enjoy it, it’s sensitive but I can have have sex for a long time without cumming; it’s clean I wash it everytime I take a shower, and I have also never heard any negative comments from any girl I’ve had sex with, in fact most seem to enjoy it very much.

        • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

          “There is no convincing evidence that circumcision is useful or necessary in terms of prevention or hygiene. Partly in the light of the complications which can arise during or after circumcision, circumcision is not justifiable except on medical/therapeutic grounds. Insofar as there are medical benefits, such as a possibly reduced risk of HIV infection, it is reasonable to put off circumcision until the age at which such a risk is relevant and the boy himself can decide about the intervention, or can opt for any available alternatives.

          “Contrary to what is often thought, circumcision entails the risk of medical and psychological complications. The most common complications are bleeding, infections, meatus stenosis (narrowing of the urethra) and panic attacks. Partial or complete penis amputations as a result of complications following circumcisions have also been reported, as have psychological problems as a result of the circumcision.

          “Non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors is contrary to the rule that minors may only be exposed to medical treatments if illness or abnormalities are present, or if it can be convincingly demonstrated that the medical intervention is in the interest of the child, as in the case of vaccinations.

          “Non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors conflicts with the child’s right to autonomy and physical integrity.”

          That is the official position of the Royal Dutch Medical Association (KNMG). But then, Holland never suffered from anti-masturbation hysteria, so circumcision never became customary there.

      • harry

        barbaric? oh no cant have that in the Empire. What is barbaric about a simple procedure that is done because of cultural or religous reasons? No harm is done to the circumcised. and if it is not done, then likewise no harm is done. it is a cultural/religous choice of the parents. when do you stop the assault? A parent’s role is to raise the child the best way they see fit. Certainly I am not condoning greivous acts of corporal punishment, however the parent must choose the education, religion, and culture by which they want to raise their child. As the child grows then they begin to make their own choices of whether they agree or disagree with the immediate authority of their parents. as you mature change your culture, change your religion, change your appearance even if you so choose. Though we may joke about it, no one who is circumcised misses the quarter inch

        • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

          “No harm is done to the circumcised”?
          THIS harm is sometimes done to the circumcised:
          http://www.circumstitions.com/Botched.html
          http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html
          http://www.circumstitions.com/death.html

          “it is a cultural/religous choice of the parents.” What makes anyone think that slapping the label “cultural/religious” makes it immune from any criticism? Look, it’s easy. My religion/culture is Noearsism, so just stand still while I practise my culture/religion on YOU.

          “As the child grows then they begin to make their own choices of whether they agree or disagree with the immediate authority of their parents. as you mature change your culture, change your religion, change your appearance even if you so choose.”
          So if he turns 18 and says he wants to be a Sikh, will you put his foreskin back on him?

          “no one who is circumcised misses the quarter inch”?
          THESE men who are circumcised miss the 15 sq inches:
          http://www.circumstitions.com/Resent.html

          “when do you stop the assault?” Where his body begins.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=580380351 Potter Dee

      This “procedure” has no medical value, it is not a personal choice of the person it is being inflicted on, it is not a parent’s right to take a knife to their child.

    • I feel my dick

      “This bill is along the same lines as laws that prohibit sodomy”
      I don’t think so. How about:
      This bill is along the same lines as laws that prohibit parents from sodomizing there babies.

  • Observing Ego

    Right on!

  • Observing Ego

    Right on!

  • Observing Ego

    Freedom of choice is one thing. Taking choice away from a child is another. If guys want circumcisions for themselves, when they’re old enough to make the choice, no one is stopping them.

  • Monkeydata

    you are prtially right…if you use the analogy that this bill is along the same lines as laws that prohibit sodomy!…you need to add Prohibit Sodomy on children!! this is not just a simple family matter….it is Barbaric and ignorant!

  • Monkeydata

    use a rubber dummy, not sugery!

  • Montanacrossroads

    if you can teach a kid to brush his teeth you can teach him to wash his dick!

  • Gawdless

    Hopefully them taking the choice of circumcision away from parents will take the parents rights a s a parent away completely. Hopefully this leads to the government just taking the children and making the children into soldiers. It’ll be like China or something.

  • Gawdless

    Hopefully them taking the choice of circumcision away from parents will take the parents rights a s a parent away completely. Hopefully this leads to the government just taking the children and making the children into soldiers. It’ll be like China or something.

    • Andrew

      The process started when incest was outlawed. It’s just a matter of time before we’re all Maoist-Capitalist robots.

    • ollollo

      I see your point, but think about other aspects in life that parents can’t do to their kids. E.g. parents can’t force their children to in marriages at the age of 13 (in some countries that is a religous or cultural custom).

    • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

      There is no other normal, healthy, functional, non-renewable part of a baby’s body that parents may cut off at whim. Why this anomaly? The most nearly corresponding part of a girl’s body has special legal protection. Why the double standard?

  • Andrew

    The process started when incest was outlawed. It’s just a matter of time before we’re all Maoist-Capitalist robots.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=580380351 Potter Dee

    This “procedure” has no medical value, it is not a personal choice of the person it is being inflicted on, it is not a parent’s right to take a knife to their child.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=580380351 Potter Dee

    Lets see some science on that “lowers the risk of AIDS”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=580380351 Potter Dee

    I’ve seen people with filthy belly buttons, ears, nails, toes, assholes… I guess we should probably remove all those parts too!

  • GTK

    As parents, they have the power and the choice to make this decision, as they do in numerous other areas of their children’s lives. This isn’t about “the choice of the child” because they aren’t capable of making that choice, and won’t be capable for quite some time.

    It’s not a problem to begin with, there shouldn’t be legislation to fix something that isn’t broken. If parents think that their child’s foreskin presents a health hazard and want to take the step to prevent that, that is their right as parents to make that choice for their child.

    • I feel my dick

      I disagree. Whats this health hazard? Is there a shortage of soap in the US? If parents want to raise their children to become Racists, Christians, Nazis, etc that is their choice because theoretically the kid will learn to think for himself and realize his/her parents are retarded. This is the purpose of adolescents. If the kid decides he wants his dick back, its not going to happen. I would be pissed if my parents cut my dick in half. Agreeing with circumcision is as intelligent as agreeing with clitoridectomies in north east Africa. Just think about it for a moment. Apathy is required, aswell as pulling your head out of your ass. Why not cut of you kids ears so he doesn’t have to use q-tips. Why not cut off his nose so he doesn’t pick it. It is messed up enough tha someone has to dress up like a cock and walk around with a sign. It is downright retarded that people are so fucked up that they argue for circumcision.

      • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

        “It is messed up enough tha someone has to dress up like a cock and walk around with a sign.”
        It took many people in penis costume to get attention at the SF Pride Parade. And then one guy equally dressed came from the crowd to join us. LOL I love San Francisco.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKg63wmlozM SF Pride Parade – Intactivists (Penis Parade)

      • Lauren W.

        Was that a cock? I thought it was somebody dressed as a GHOST or on second glance it looks like a dog’s bone.Too pale to look even like a White man’s. Was the top supposed to be uncut or circumcised? If so why the glans is not colored purple?

        • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

          Hi Lauren, Originally there was suppose to be 6 intact penises each colored to match the gay flag. 7 if you go by the original gay flag. While I have written a letter to send to Chris March, Clothes and costume designer, my money for this has been diverted to http://www.SFMGMbill.org. But wouldn’t it been kool to have intact penis costumes with retractable foreskins!?

  • Geoffrey Martin

    As parents, they have the power and the choice to make this decision, as they do in numerous other areas of their children’s lives. This isn’t about “the choice of the child” because they aren’t capable of making that choice, and won’t be capable for quite some time.

    It’s not a problem to begin with, there shouldn’t be legislation to fix something that isn’t broken. If parents think that their child’s foreskin presents a health hazard and want to take the step to prevent that, that is their right as parents to make that choice for their child.

  • I can’t feel my dick

    I was circumcised and i love it. Its the best. It made it harder for me to masturbate as a child, thus making me purer. Saved a lot of confessions. So what if someone cut a piece of my dick off, its not like im a sexual being. Its not like making love to my wife brings us closer together and lets us experience something beautiful together. Its not like it was the most traumatic experience of my infancy. I couldn’t imagine having a foreskin. Gross. Don’t you watch sex and the city. Samantha made fun of non circumcised penises, she said they have turtle necks. I have enough things to worry about already with out my penis wearing a turtle neck. I like my sleek look and so do all the shallow sluts. When i have a son im going to do him a favor and cut his whole penis right off. If i have a daughter, ill cut off her nipples, clit, and labia. I mean come on people, god gave us these parts so we could cut them off. Thats why abortion is so terrible. How are we supposed to preform genital mutilation if there aren’t any babies. Remember babies don’t need love, they need their most sensitive body parts cut off. Who’s going to join the army if all the children have their genitals intact.

  • Payrollpinky

    Yup, but I don’t have to worry about getting any yeast infection . I’m sure that goes with the territory of uncircumcision. Have fun with your mushrooms

  • I feel my dick

    I disagree. Whats this health hazard? Is there a shortage of soap in the US? If parents want to raise their children to become Racists, Christians, Nazis, etc that is their choice because theoretically the kid will learn to think for himself and realize his/her parents are retarded. This is the purpose of adolescents. If the kid decides he wants his dick back, its not going to happen. I would be pissed if my parents cut my dick in half. Agreeing with circumcision is as intelligent as agreeing with clitoridectomies in north east Africa. Just think about it for a moment. Apathy is required, aswell as pulling your head out of your ass. Why not cut of you kids ears so he doesn’t have to use q-tips. Why not cut off his nose so he doesn’t pick it. It is messed up enough tha someone has to dress up like a cock and walk around with a sign. It is downright retarded that people are so fucked up that they argue for circumcision.

  • I feel my dick

    “This bill is along the same lines as laws that prohibit sodomy”
    I don’t think so. How about:
    This bill is along the same lines as laws that prohibit parents from sodomizing there babies.

  • I feel my dick

    Nasty shit? Oh you mean sensation.
    Just because you gave a blowie to a funky dick, doesn’t mean they are all funky.
    Next time you pay someone to suck them off be a little more careful.
    Take your male prostitute to a nice hotel and start the night off with a shower.

  • I feel my dick

    “for most men, who last about three minutes, less nerves might improve their staying power and make for a better sex life”. So stupid.
    Maybe the fact that masturbation is considered filthy, disgusting, sinful, wrong, perverted, etc. is the problem causing the 3 minute sex.
    Generally speaking, when teens start masturbating they feel ashamed, embarrassed and guilty. They finish the job as soon as possible so they don’t get caught. This training is carried with them until they are sexually active, thus the one pump dump.
    If teens learned how to masturbate properly they would turn into fantastic lovers once sexually active.

  • Anonymous

    “Less government is better government.”

    I agree. That’s why we should repeal the laws against murder, assault, theft, fraud, contract violation and counterfeiting. Get government off our backs!

  • Payrollpinky

    Let’s do some homework shall we. There are more than religious and cultural reasons for getting circumcised. 1st make sure you teach your young boy if you have one how to clean it because if he doesn’t problems can and will most likely occur, most common would be cancer of the penis. Things tend to thrive and grow in that foreskin you hold so dearly. 2nd if any infection is in there, it stays and will jump to any partner much easier than a circumcised man. 3rd Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious; circumcision makes this 10 times less likely to happen. 4th If you don’t talk to your uncircumcised kid about how to maintain their penis, when they do reach puberty or whenever, they can develop serious problems that they will be to scared to talk about and this could develop into something bad and even death all because he wasn’t circumcised. 750 million males in the UK alone couldn’t be wrong. So there is no ignorance here just someone who got a little pissed off at a matter that is very serious. Why wait until something bad happens to have circumcision, the pros far out weigh the cons.

  • Payrollpinky

    Let’s do some homework shall we. There are more than religious and cultural reasons for getting circumcised. 1st make sure you teach your young boy if you have one how to clean it because if he doesn’t problems can and will most likely occur, most common would be cancer of the penis. Things tend to thrive and grow in that foreskin you hold so dearly. 2nd if any infection is in there, it stays and will jump to any partner much easier than a circumcised man. 3rd Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious; circumcision makes this 10 times less likely to happen. 4th If you don’t talk to your uncircumcised kid about how to maintain their penis, when they do reach puberty or whenever, they can develop serious problems that they will be to scared to talk about and this could develop into something bad and even death all because he wasn’t circumcised. 750 million males in the UK alone couldn’t be wrong. So there is no ignorance here just someone who got a little pissed off at a matter that is very serious. Why wait until something bad happens to have circumcision, the pros far out weigh the cons.

  • Payrollpinky

    First off shit happens in all cases of any small surgery, no matter what. Let’s do some homework shall we. There are more than religious and cultural reasons for getting circumcised. 1st make sure you teach your young boy if you have one how to clean it because if he doesn’t problems can and will most likely occur, most common would be cancer of the penis. Things tend to thrive and grow in that foreskin you hold so dearly. 2nd if any infection is in there, it stays and will jump to any partner much easier than a circumcised man. 3rd Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious; circumcision makes this 10 times less likely to happen. 4th If you don’t talk to your uncircumcised kid about how to maintain their penis, when they do reach puberty or whenever, they can develop serious problems that they will be to scared to talk about and this could develop into something bad and even death all because he wasn’t circumcised. 750 million males in the UK alone couldn’t be wrong. So there is no ignorance here just someone who got a little pissed off at a matter that is very serious.

  • Payrollpinky

    Coming from a medical family there are far more barbaric things one can do to their child, but circumsizing them I believe shows the love that family has for that child knowing that they will preventing a lot of bad things that could happen to that child if he were uncircumsized.

  • Payrollpinky

    Coming from a medical family there are far more barbaric things one can do to their child, but circumsizing them I believe shows the love that family has for that child knowing that they will preventing a lot of bad things that could happen to that child if he were uncircumsized.

  • Payrollpinky

    Coming from a medical family there are far more barbaric things one can do to their child, but circumsizing them I believe shows the love that family has for that child knowing that they will preventing a lot of bad things that could happen to that child if he were uncircumsized.

  • Payrollpinky

    Coming from a medical family there are far more barbaric things one can do to their child, but circumsizing them I believe shows the love that family has for that child knowing that they will preventing a lot of bad things that could happen to that child if he were uncircumsized.

  • Payrollpinky

    Are you serious? Let’s think about that for a second. Bacteria and diseases like warm places, such as the skin around your knob. So when having sex it makes it a whole hell of a lot easier to jump to the next person. No science here, just logic.

  • ollollo

    I see your point, but think about other aspects in life that parents can’t do to their kids. E.g. parents can’t force their children to in marriages at the age of 13 (in some countries that is a religous or cultural custom).

  • pollob

    you may be from a medical family, good for you, I take it you must be a doctor then. I am not from a medical family, but I am a 25 year old man with an uncircumsized penis; I enjoy it, it’s sensitive but I can have have sex for a long time without cumming; it’s clean I wash it everytime I take a shower, and I have also never heard any negative comments from any girl I’ve had sex with, in fact most seem to enjoy it very much.

  • Grek

    So is circumcision the solution then to preventing aids? Are we assuming that men are incapable of proper hygiene and can’t keep their own dicks clean? Ever heard of soap? No science here, just common sense.

  • Payrollpinky

    I said nothing about preventing it, and I’m also not talking about the people who do clean themselves. But there are the people who don’t and who are uncircumcised, those are the ones you need to worry about. Bottom line un circumcision has the increased chance of passing a disease like AIDS vs circumcision. Not science, just reality.

  • harry

    barbaric? oh no cant have that in the Empire. What is barbaric about a simple procedure that is done because of cultural or religous reasons? No harm is done to the circumcised. and if it is not done, then likewise no harm is done. it is a cultural/religous choice of the parents. when do you stop the assault? A parent’s role is to raise the child the best way they see fit. Certainly I am not condoning greivous acts of corporal punishment, however the parent must choose the education, religion, and culture by which they want to raise their child. As the child grows then they begin to make their own choices of whether they agree or disagree with the immediate authority of their parents. as you mature change your culture, change your religion, change your appearance even if you so choose. Though we may joke about it, no one who is circumcised misses the quarter inch

  • Jordan

    Just curious, are you going to show your son how to pull the skin back for the first few times until he learns? I don’t know, but I’m sure glad my mother and father weren’t handling my dick at any point in my life. I think this is just a result of our penis-obsessed society with drugs like Viagra and Cialis fueling this crap. I don’t understand where you people get off thinking your parents decided to short you pleasure as a child. It was an option and I’m sure your parents, as well as mine, made the best decision they could based on the information that was provided. Should there be more education on the choice at hand? Well, of course. Circumcision shouldn’t be assumed, but parents reserve this right, whether it is for religious purposes or not. A baby doesn’t have rights. It is always the parents choice. Just like deciding to give birth is even a choice. And I don’t think comparing this to women’s clits being removed is relevant. They _remove_ their clits entirely. If that isn’t cruel and inhumane, I don’t know what is. Who has such a serious problem with the functioning of their penis to impose this crap on the rest of us? I’m grateful for what I have and I’m glad my parents didn’t put me through the embarrassment of having a wrinkly petri dish of a dick.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Who’da thought an article about dicks would be one of the most popular here on disinfo.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Who’da thought an article about dicks would be one of the most popular here on disinfo.

  • Curtis

    I wish this law existed when I was born.

  • Curtis

    I wish this law existed when I was born.

  • linda

    Wiping poopy butts isn’t one of my favorite parts of parenting but until i feel my kid can do it him/herself properly(about 3 yrs old) i will continue to help…… if your parents did’nt want to help you wash that “part” your penis then they had the right to cut it off…i just hope you aren’t walking around with a crusty -poop caked crack because of their “hands off” approach ewwe…and yes sadly….just like every other part of our body..we have been made to see natural as ugly..this is why most women are walking around with bags of silicone or saline implanted into their chests…..this is why people have fat and fluids sucked from their body’s with vaccuume type machines on their lunch breaks…and needles injected in their lips and eyelids on a weekly basis….natural is ugly to some like you …cut it off…suck it out….. your parents may have saved you from having a ” wrinkly dick.”….but in doing so they left you with a twisted preception….

  • SikterEfendi

    I suppose they already have laws that cover physical mutilation of minors or adults without their consent, so this law should be redundant. All they need is one law that says:

    “… it is unlawful to perform any alteration on any part of a body of another person without their explicit written consent. It is unlawful to perform any alteration on any part of a body of a person under the age of consent, unless it’s done for approved medical reasons.”

    Yes, that will cover piercings, tattoos, circumcisions and pretty much anything else that doesn’t have a medical purpose. I wouldn’t let anyone under 18 get a piercing even with parent’s consent. Not even for an ear ring.

  • Anonymous

    I suppose they already have laws that cover physical mutilation of minors or adults without their consent, so this law should be redundant. All they need is one law that says:

    “… it is unlawful to perform any alteration on any part of a body of another person without their explicit written consent. It is unlawful to perform any alteration on any part of a body of a person under the age of consent, unless it’s done for approved medical reasons.”

    Yes, that will cover piercings, tattoos, circumcisions and pretty much anything else that doesn’t have a medical purpose. I wouldn’t let anyone under 18 get a piercing even with parent’s consent. Not even for an ear ring.

  • Doug

    I was circumsized at about 4 for medical reasons (I only remember the pain, not the details) and so I have nothing to compare it to. It’s easy to clean and does everything I want it to. The point here is whether it should be forced, or unforced on people. Blanket bans are usually subject to specific cases poking a hole in the blanket, how about deciding each case on it’s circumstanced instead ?

    • Andrew

      That’s a good idea. The law shouldn’t just target circumcision, but any procedure altering a child’s body that isn’t medically necessary. Do parents have the legal right to give their kids piercings or tattoos against their kids’ wills? If so, they shouldn’t.

      • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

        A Fresno, California, man is doing time for letting a friend put a small tattoo on his son’s side. Piercings are a different matter because they close up if you leave the stud out. But is piercing a child’s genitals legal? Then how can cutting part off be?

  • Doug

    I was circumsized at about 4 for medical reasons (I only remember the pain, not the details) and so I have nothing to compare it to. It’s easy to clean and does everything I want it to. The point here is whether it should be forced, or unforced on people. Blanket bans are usually subject to specific cases poking a hole in the blanket, how about deciding each case on it’s circumstanced instead ?

  • Andrew

    That’s a good idea. The law shouldn’t just target circumcision, but any procedure altering a child’s body that isn’t medically necessary. Do parents have the legal right to give their kids piercings or tattoos against their kids’ wills? If so, they shouldn’t.

  • Mademoiselle M

    The ignorance of many of the people replying to this thread is simply astonishing!

    Studies in anatomy (Taylor et all 1996) and physiology (Sorrells et al 2007) show that the foreskin is valuable throughout all stages of life and is well worth preserving.

    Here are some educational links to information about circumcision compiled for the most part by medical professionals. Everyone should educate themselves on an issue before taking a stance, instead of holding steadfast to beliefs based on hearsay, superstition, religion or opinion:

    http://www.nocirc.org
    http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org
    http://www.cirp.org
    http://www.circumstitions.org
    http://www.arclaw.org (Attorneys for the Rights of the Child)
    http://www.nrc@cnsp.com (Nurses for the Rights of the Child)
    http://www.infocirc.org/welcome2.htm

    For Foreskin Restoration:
    http://www.norm.org
    http://www.catstretcher.com
    http://www.TLCtugger.com

  • Mademoiselle M

    The ignorance of many of the people replying to this thread is simply astonishing!

    Studies in anatomy (Taylor et all 1996) and physiology (Sorrells et al 2007) show that the foreskin is valuable throughout all stages of life and is well worth preserving.

    Here are some educational links to information about circumcision compiled for the most part by medical professionals. Everyone should educate themselves on an issue before taking a stance, instead of holding steadfast to beliefs based on hearsay, superstition, religion or opinion:

    http://www.nocirc.org
    http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org
    http://www.cirp.org
    http://www.circumstitions.org
    http://www.arclaw.org (Attorneys for the Rights of the Child)
    http://www.nrc@cnsp.com (Nurses for the Rights of the Child)
    http://www.infocirc.org/welcome2.htm

    For Foreskin Restoration:
    http://www.norm.org
    http://www.catstretcher.com
    http://www.TLCtugger.com

  • MoxiGirl

    @Payrollpinky: Who or what has caused you to believe that circumcision can, in any way, effect the transmission of a VIRUS (which is not the same as bacteria) such as HIV which causes AIDS? Even if your assertion is correct; that circumcision results in a penis being less bacteria-ridden on the outside; do you understand that the HIV virus is carried through bodily fluids which are obviously INTERNAL?

    External bacteria can not in any way “help” the internal fluids transmit HIV. Please, do some reading to educate yourself.

    “HIV is transmitted through direct contact of a mucous membrane or the bloodstream with a bodily fluid containing HIV, such as blood, semen, vaginal fluid, preseminal fluid, and breast milk.”

    That’s just a small except from the wikipedia article on AIDS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS

    You should also learn the distinction between a VIRUS and BACTERIA. Here is a start:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria

  • MoxiGirl

    @Payrollpinky: Who or what has caused you to believe that circumcision can, in any way, effect the transmission of a VIRUS (which is not the same as bacteria) such as HIV which causes AIDS? Even if your assertion is correct; that circumcision results in a penis being less bacteria-ridden on the outside; do you understand that the HIV virus is carried through bodily fluids which are obviously INTERNAL?

    External bacteria can not in any way “help” the internal fluids transmit HIV. Please, do some reading to educate yourself.

    “HIV is transmitted through direct contact of a mucous membrane or the bloodstream with a bodily fluid containing HIV, such as blood, semen, vaginal fluid, preseminal fluid, and breast milk.”

    That’s just a small except from the wikipedia article on AIDS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS

    You should also learn the distinction between a VIRUS and BACTERIA. Here is a start:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria

  • Brttcm8

    “constantly telling YOU how YOU should live YOUR life”

    Except it’s not you is it? It’s a baby. A baby’s penis. Mr. Green, in the library, with the ceremonial Skeksis sword. Why not make it a rite of passage when it will mean something, or is that too _intense_ for your whitebread anaesthetized reader’s digest spirituality?

  • Brttcm8

    “constantly telling YOU how YOU should live YOUR life”

    Except it’s not you is it? It’s a baby. A baby’s penis. Mr. Green, in the library, with the ceremonial Skeksis sword. Why not make it a rite of passage when it will mean something, or is that too _intense_ for your whitebread anaesthetized reader’s digest spirituality?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C5SV3Y6GG7GRK3NBX64IXAXDGM Jessica Hurst

    I would support this bill, unenthusiastically, but I would like to point out that circumcision of a male baby is not the same as FGM. Female genital mutilation most commonly consists of the removal of part/all of the clitoris and the stitching shut (again, partially or wholly) of the vaginal opening. This usually occurs to a girl between 10-13, with local anesthetic (if she’s lucky) and may be performed with nothing more than a sharp rock and a dull needle. Please don’t trivialize a truly horrific experience in order to gain support for this bill.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C5SV3Y6GG7GRK3NBX64IXAXDGM Jessica Hurst

    I would support this bill, unenthusiastically, but I would like to point out that circumcision of a male baby is not the same as FGM. Female genital mutilation most commonly consists of the removal of part/all of the clitoris and the stitching shut (again, partially or wholly) of the vaginal opening. This usually occurs to a girl between 10-13, with local anesthetic (if she’s lucky) and may be performed with nothing more than a sharp rock and a dull needle. Please don’t trivialize a truly horrific experience in order to gain support for this bill.

    • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

      I think we can agree it doesn’t matter how much is cut off of whom, it’s wrong. Even threatening with a knife passing over the genitals is wrong.

      yes it is possible to circumcise males and females and still not cut off any sexual receptors. The females receptors are located in the sulcus. so cutting just the clitoris tip and/or part labia still preserves pleasure receptors. Cutting a sleeve resection at the penile base preserves all the receptors. Of course this requires a skilled surgeon, not the common cutter, because nicking or cutting the dorsal nerves leaves the extreme 2/3rds of the penis numb. This can also be a complication of aggressive cutting.

    • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

      When you compare tribal with tribal, surgical with surgical, the differences diminish. Scores of boys die in one province of South Africa alone each year from tribal circumcision, which is carried out by pulling the foreskin out and chopping. (I don’t know why we never get figures from anywhere else). Millions of girls are “circumcised” in the name of Islam in Malaysia and Indonesia, and the procedure seems much less invasive than the horrors of Africa. A doctor called Rathman invented a gadget for “circumcising” girls in the US in 1959, that included a shield to protect the clitoris – see http://www.circumstitions.com/methods.html#rathman – but that is now illegal. Why the double standard?

      • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

        Female and male circumcision started in the USA for the same reasons, to stop masturbation. Female cutting was made illegal (by feminists and intactivists groups) in 1996. Blue Cross paid for female circumcisions until 1979. So what’s it like for a girl next door to get the cut? Read Patricia Robinett’s book “The Rape of Innocence”.

        You know pushing the circumcision bill that only included females (sans male and intersex) we thought people will see the inherent sexism. How stupid is America? 15 years have passed. Soon 18 year old cut males will be suing the USA for discrimination not being equally protected. As I see it, three things could then happen- the courts court refuse hearing (no standing), males would be granted equal protection, or the 1996 FGM law will be struck down.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    “…And for most men, who last about three minutes, less nerves might improve their staying power and make for a better sex life”

    This is a big pile of steaming disinformation. It seems the whole argument about circumcision hinges on a lot of regurgitated false rumor.

    The nerve endings are essentially for lack of a better word, your eyes down there. Without them you are flying blind. Pre-mature ejaculation does not happen from overstimulation, it comes from unbalanced stimulation where you accidentally fall off a cliff because you don’t know whats going on. The only option for a circumsized person to lengthen the duration is to numb himself to the experience altogether as he is essentially deaf to the language of intercourse. But that obviously reduces the pleasure of the experience in another way.

    There are plenty of other answers talking about how wrong you are about the AIDS spreading, but the scary thing is that many people believe both of these fallacies.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    So, let me get this straight:

    Circumcision should be kept around because we are too culturally embarrassed to talk to our own kids about genital hygiene?

    So we just have to let them figure everything out on their own or let public school teach them in a 15 minute session everything about genitalia, sex, reproduction, disease, hygiene, and the like. Because we find it awkward to suck up our own pride or whatever is stopping us to talk to another human being that we are responsible for?

    This is yet another problem (disease) that could be prevented by cultural means, but instead we turn to surgery to make life just that more dumbed down and messed up without considering all the other problems down the line since they ‘just aren’t my problem’ as a surgeon might say.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    If you’re gunna be a jerk and re-post the same wall of text, I’ll do the same to you.

    So, let me get this straight:

    Circumcision should be kept around because we are too culturally embarrassed to talk to our own kids about genital hygiene?

    So we just have to let them figure everything out on their own or let public school teach them in a 15 minute session everything about genitalia, sex, reproduction, disease, hygiene, and the like. Because we find it awkward to suck up our own pride or whatever is stopping us to talk to another human being that we are responsible for?

    This is yet another problem (disease) that could be prevented by cultural means, but instead we turn to surgery to make life just that more dumbed down and messed up without considering all the other problems down the line since they ‘just aren’t my problem’ as a surgeon might say.

  • dirty johnny

    Foreskin Power! When i was a kid a could stretch it down to my fuckin knee! My lady can stick her tongue in it, for a second anyway, till it figures out what’s going on… I’m not even gay, but I can do one thing you abbreviated-membered mofos can’t….DOCKING! I’ve never done it, never desired to, but if I get a yen to give it a whirl, guess who’ll be relying on MY man labia? You, you crazy baldheads!

    But…

    I don’t really know about telling people not to practice “questionable” cultural beliefs. Seems like an Pyramidic Empire kinda strategy to me. Ban their dances, languages, piercings and make them into citizens, goddamnit. A redskin is a touch less red in a tophat and spats, isn’t he?

    Still, circumcision would be a lot more impressive if it were the gateway to manhood. Cutting up baby dicks is a pretty fuckin bitch-ass move in my playbook. But… if getting up the nerve to cut off your own dipple is a life changing moment you work up to and overcome … you know, like absolutely NOTHING in our society… and it transforms you forever… whack off and whack on, man! But like I told the Pope and the Rabbi, leave the fucking kiddies alone. They’ve got 3D animated movies for your type now. Tentacle rape, whatever you need. George Lucas interns can hook you up….

  • dirty johnny

    Foreskin Power! When i was a kid a could stretch it down to my fuckin knee! My lady can stick her tongue in it, for a second anyway, till it figures out what’s going on… I’m not even gay, but I can do one thing you abbreviated-membered mofos can’t….DOCKING! I’ve never done it, never desired to, but if I get a yen to give it a whirl, guess who’ll be relying on MY man labia? You, you crazy baldheads!

    But…

    I don’t really know about telling people not to practice “questionable” cultural beliefs. Seems like an Pyramidic Empire kinda strategy to me. Ban their dances, languages, piercings and make them into citizens, goddamnit. A redskin is a touch less red in a tophat and spats, isn’t he?

    Still, circumcision would be a lot more impressive if it were the gateway to manhood. Cutting up baby dicks is a pretty fuckin bitch-ass move in my playbook. But… if getting up the nerve to cut off your own dipple is a life changing moment you work up to and overcome … you know, like absolutely NOTHING in our society… and it transforms you forever… whack off and whack on, man! But like I told the Pope and the Rabbi, leave the fucking kiddies alone. They’ve got 3D animated movies for your type now. Tentacle rape, whatever you need. George Lucas interns can hook you up….

  • Randomguy

    My father made sure he showed me how to clean. He simply came in when I was showering one day and told me what to do, and that was it! I had a checkup once and the doctor also asked if I knew how to retract and clean, because he was going to tell me how if I didn’t. It’s REALLY not hard to do at all lol, it’s not rocket science like you make it seem! Btw, I’m pretty proud of my natural member, love to show it off when I can.

  • Randomguy

    I would also like to state that my father was circumcised yet he still knew what to tell me…..it’s not that hard REALLY lol.

  • Randomguy

    Circumcised men can and DO get yeast infections, I don’t know where you got that from that you can’t.

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    http://www.circumcisionandhiv.com/2010/05/royal-dutch-medical-association-issues-statement-on-male-circumcision-of-infants-and-children-aap-no.html Royal Dutch Medical Association on Circumcision
    http://www.norm.org/frenular.pdf foremost penis expert Dr. John Taylor’s Frenular Delta
    http://research.cirp.org/ World’s foremost penis expert Dr. John Taylor’s site
    http://www.circumstitions.com/Sexuality.html Sorrells et al. Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis
    http://knol.google.com/k/the-ridged-band-of-the-human-prepuce# The Ridged Band of the Human Prepuce
    http://www.circumstitions.com/Glossary.html A Glossary of the (Intact) Penis
    http://www.norm.org/lost.html “The Lost List” What is lost to circumcision and what can be restored.

    The value of foreskin and circumcision harms have been known for over 800 yeras as told by Rabbi Moses Maimonides. Nelson mandela said his circumcision was blinding white light of electrical fire that burned throughout all hi veins.
    http://bit.ly/mMoZR PAIN: 3,928 island villagers males&females all ages forced circ’d into Islam by Muslim clerics

    hthttp://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/70435/title/Half_of_adult_males_carry_HPV “Half of adult males carry HPV” Male circumcision and the use of condoms have shown little protection against HPV infection, Monsonego says.
    http://tinyurl.com/yfl54cu Brain Visualization Research during Male Infant Circumcision by Dr. Paul D. Tinari Ph.D.
    http://cpj.sagepub.com/content/25/8/412.abstract Neonatal Cortisol Response to Circumcision with Anesthesia
    (circumcision with local dorsal penile nerve block doesn’t work.)
    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2810%2961303-7/fulltext Oral sucrose as an analgesic drug for procedural pain in newborn infants: a randomised controlled trial
    http://bit.ly/ZDEfA Imagine having penile wounding that must be torn apart everyday for a year.
    http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Images/Botched/scar20b.jpg or http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Images/Botched/scar20a.jpg
    http://ow.ly/1rKVgZ “Factors Affecting Male Fertility” | Health Vene
    http://www.drmomma.org/2010/01/cut-vs-intact-outcome-statistics.html Cut vs. Intact Outcome Statistics 2010

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    “It is messed up enough tha someone has to dress up like a cock and walk around with a sign.”
    It took many people in penis costume to get attention at the SF Pride Parade. And then one guy equally dressed came from the crowd to join us. LOL I love San Francisco.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKg63wmlozM SF Pride Parade – Intactivists (Penis Parade)

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    “There is no convincing evidence that circumcision is useful or necessary in terms of prevention or hygiene. Partly in the light of the complications which can arise during or after circumcision, circumcision is not justifiable except on medical/therapeutic grounds. Insofar as there are medical benefits, such as a possibly reduced risk of HIV infection, it is reasonable to put off circumcision until the age at which such a risk is relevant and the boy himself can decide about the intervention, or can opt for any available alternatives.

    “Contrary to what is often thought, circumcision entails the risk of medical and psychological complications. The most common complications are bleeding, infections, meatus stenosis (narrowing of the urethra) and panic attacks. Partial or complete penis amputations as a result of complications following circumcisions have also been reported, as have psychological problems as a result of the circumcision.

    “Non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors is contrary to the rule that minors may only be exposed to medical treatments if illness or abnormalities are present, or if it can be convincingly demonstrated that the medical intervention is in the interest of the child, as in the case of vaccinations.

    “Non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors conflicts with the child’s right to autonomy and physical integrity.”

    That is the official position of the Royal Dutch Medical Association (KNMG). But then, Holland never suffered from anti-masturbation hysteria, so circumcision never became customary there.

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    That’s why the USA has the highest HIV rate AND the highest circumcision rate, of ALL advanced nations.
    Please when dealing with HIV go to http://www.CircumcisionAndHIV.com

    http://tinyurl.com/yks9apv 1/5 HIV Infections Caused by Medical Staff (5million/yr,Africa,09) papers backed by Royal Society of Medicine
    # AIDSMAP: Circumcision’s Effectiveness A Distant Third http://bit.ly/9V8z3
    Reading: “Dr. DEAN EDELL: The AIDS/Circumcision Fallacy” (http://twitthis.com/hop83u)
    http://www.times.co.sz/index.php?news=20909 More circumcised men are HIV positive (Swaziland)
    http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/ Circumcision and HIV Infection (langerin)

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    The foreskin is the male’s built in surrogate vagina that teaches the male how best pleasure himself thus also his partner both in technique and duration. Having the foreskin gone one gets use to the firmness of his hand which is nothing like the vagina. And don’t cut men hate it when their woman holds em tight when she is orgasms so it’s hard to get any feel from nil thrust and so afterwards the man has to start all over to cum. This isn’t a problem when intact because so little thrusting is necessary, she holds tight, there’s still enough to feel!

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Franck McGinness

    http://www.ias-2005.org/planner/Abstracts.aspx?AID=3138 (abstract) “Female circumcision and HIV in Tanzania: for better or for worse?

    Here are some studies that show a correlation between female circumcision and
    a lowered HIV transmission rate. I somehow doubt that the WHO or UNAIDS would
    ever take them seriously though.

    Stallings et al. 2009
    “Risk of HIV among women who had undergone Female Circumcision is roughly
    half that of women who had not. Association remained significant after
    adjusting for region, household, wealth, age, lifetime partners and union
    status.”
    Female circumcision and HIV infection in Tanzania:
    For better or for worse?
    3rd IAS conference on HIV pathogenesis and treatment
    International AIDS Society

    “Women who have undergone Female Circumcision have a significantly decreased
    risk of HIV-2 infection when compared to those who had not.”
    Kanki P, M’Boup S, Marlink R, et al.
    “Prevalence & risk determinants of HIV type 2
    (HIV-2) and human immunodeficiency virus type 1
    (HIV1) in west African female prostitutes
    Am. J. Epidemiol. 136 (7): 895-907. PMID

    You might tell me that female circumcision causes all this damage, that women
    lose the ability to orgasm. “Studies show” that male circumcision “doesn’t
    affect satisfaction”, and thus this is why circumcision can be recommended.
    But did you know, studies ALSO show that women who have been circumcised do
    not lose their ability to orgasm? In fact, women who have undergone
    infibulation, which is the worst kind of female genital mutilation in the
    world, are still able to orgasm.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17970975

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2837-female-circumcision-does-not-
    reduce-sexual-activity.html

    Still, others claim that having one´s labia removed actually INCREASES
    “satisfaction.”

    http://www.labiaplastysurgeon.com/labiaplasty-clinical-study.html

    Please understand that I am in no way trying to justify female circumcision.

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    Obviously you know not. Yeast infections are the same for intact and circumcised. That’s fact. what is supposition is there may be less yeast infections because males are told to use soap and water. This can cause an imbalance of the natural pH maintained by the foreskin. Wrong pH can cause irritation and infection. Bubble bath is the worst. It is logical- the inside of the foreskin is like the inside of the mouth and vagina. One would use soap inside the mouth and vagina would one!

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    I think we can agree it doesn’t matter how much is cut off of whom, it’s wrong. Even threatening with a knife passing over the genitals is wrong.

    yes it is possible to circumcise males and females and still not cut off any sexual receptors. The females receptors are located in the sulcus. so cutting just the clitoris tip and/or part labia still preserves pleasure receptors. Cutting a sleeve resection at the penile base preserves all the receptors. Of course this requires a skilled surgeon, not the common cutter, because nicking or cutting the dorsal nerves leaves the extreme 2/3rds of the penis numb. This can also be a complication of aggressive cutting.

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html#/v/4555238/circumcision-ban-in-san-francisco/?playlist_id=87651 TV Fox News America Live with Megyn Kelly interviewing SF MGMbill.org’s Lloyd Schofield.
    Also consider helping collect signatures and donating at http://www.SFMGMbill.org or shopping at SFMGMbill cafepress store.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEJhTYK3Z2E Intro to Foregen.org, a non-profit agency to promote foreskin stem cell regeneration
    http://www.foreskin-restoration.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5095 Foregen Financial Disclosure

    http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/cansever/ Psychological Effects of Circumcision by Gocke Cansever
    http://ow.ly/1rKVgZ “Factors Affecting Male Fertility” | Health Vene

    Circumcision and testicle crushing is common in polygamous tribes. Done to limit the ability of the younger males to impregnate the older males wives. Circumcision makes intercourse longer so the older male may more likely catch them in the act and interupt. Circumcision draws the testicles closer to the body overheating the sperm aslo changes the temperature of the penis. Testicle crushing is to limit the amount of sperm. Both of course are not foolproof but perhaps long term useful tools. This does not appear to be the case for Mormons but it is worth considering given polygamous cultures.

    I chose to be cut becaus eof the erogenous look of the “erect” exposed glans. Liked the look but came to hate because of lost function. Worst mistake of my life, I’m restoring by stretching which grows new skin replicating existing skin. The 1st time I got covered – was the first time I didn’t feel naked. Oh, then I lit a cigarette, stuck it in my foreskin and took picture. :-)

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html#/v/4555238/circumcision-ban-in-san-francisco/?playlist_id=87651 TV Fox News America Live with Megyn Kelly interviewing SF MGMbill.org’s Lloyd Schofield.
    Also consider helping collect signatures and donating at http://www.SFMGMbill.org or shopping at SFMGMbill cafepress store.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEJhTYK3Z2E Intro to Foregen.org, a non-profit agency to promote foreskin stem cell regeneration
    http://www.foreskin-restoration.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5095 Foregen Financial Disclosure

    http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/cansever/ Psychological Effects of Circumcision by Gocke Cansever
    http://ow.ly/1rKVgZ “Factors Affecting Male Fertility” | Health Vene

    Circumcision and testicle crushing is common in polygamous tribes. Done to limit the ability of the younger males to impregnate the older males wives. Circumcision makes intercourse longer so the older male may more likely catch them in the act and interupt. Circumcision draws the testicles closer to the body overheating the sperm aslo changes the temperature of the penis. Testicle crushing is to limit the amount of sperm. Both of course are not foolproof but perhaps long term useful tools. This does not appear to be the case for Mormons but it is worth considering given polygamous cultures.

    I chose to be cut becaus eof the erogenous look of the “erect” exposed glans. Liked the look but came to hate because of lost function. Worst mistake of my life, I’m restoring by stretching which grows new skin replicating existing skin. The 1st time I got covered – was the first time I didn’t feel naked. Oh, then I lit a cigarette, stuck it in my foreskin and took picture. :-)

  • Lauren W.

    Was that a cock? I thought it was somebody dressed as a GHOST or on second glance it looks like a dog’s bone.Too pale to look even like a White man’s. Was the top supposed to be uncut or circumcised? If so why the glans is not colored purple?

  • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

    “No harm is done to the circumcised”?
    THIS harm is sometimes done to the circumcised:
    http://www.circumstitions.com/Botched.html
    http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html
    http://www.circumstitions.com/death.html

    “it is a cultural/religous choice of the parents.” What makes anyone think that slapping the label “cultural/religious” makes it immune from any criticism? Look, it’s easy. My religion/culture is Noearsism, so just stand still while I practise my culture/religion on YOU.

    “As the child grows then they begin to make their own choices of whether they agree or disagree with the immediate authority of their parents. as you mature change your culture, change your religion, change your appearance even if you so choose.”
    So if he turns 18 and says he wants to be a Sikh, will you put his foreskin back on him?

    “no one who is circumcised misses the quarter inch”?
    THESE men who are circumcised miss the 15 sq inches:
    http://www.circumstitions.com/Resent.html

    “when do you stop the assault?” Where his body begins.

  • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

    “That is control that only the family should have and never any Government interaction whatsoever.”
    As one man said, but in more colourful language: “My family doesn’t [urinate] with my [penis], my family doesn’t [masturbate] with my [penis] and my family doesn’t [have sexual intercourse] with my [penis], so what business was it of my family to go cutting part off of my [penis]?

  • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

    “most common would be cancer of the penis.” Do you live in bizarro backwards land? Penile cancer is one of the RAREST of cancers, so rare it is hard to get good figures, but rarer than male breast cancer, rarer than the corresponding female cancers, rarer in non-circumcising Denmark than the US, It occurs primarily in old men who have neglected their hygiene for decades.

    By circumcision advocates’ own figures, it would take more than 440 circumcisions to prevent one UTI – which can be treated when it occurs.

    “750 million males in the UK alone couldn’t be wrong.” That figure is ex-recto. The male population of the UK is about 30 million, and apart from a bit of a craze in the 1910s-1940s, the great majority of them have always been intact.

  • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

    When you compare tribal with tribal, surgical with surgical, the differences diminish. Scores of boys die in one province of South Africa alone each year from tribal circumcision, which is carried out by pulling the foreskin out and chopping. (I don’t know why we never get figures from anywhere else). Millions of girls are “circumcised” in the name of Islam in Malaysia and Indonesia, and the procedure seems much less invasive than the horrors of Africa. A doctor called Rathman invented a gadget for “circumcising” girls in the US in 1959, that included a shield to protect the clitoris – see http://www.circumstitions.com/methods.html#rathman – but that is now illegal. Why the double standard?

  • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

    There is no other normal, healthy, functional, non-renewable part of a baby’s body that parents may cut off at whim. Why this anomaly? The most nearly corresponding part of a girl’s body has special legal protection. Why the double standard?

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    Hi Lauren, Originally there was suppose to be 6 intact penises each colored to match the gay flag. 7 if you go by the original gay flag. While I have written a letter to send to Chris March, Clothes and costume designer, my money for this has been diverted to http://www.SFMGMbill.org. But wouldn’t it been kool to have intact penis costumes with retractable foreskins!?

  • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

    A Fresno, California, man is doing time for letting a friend put a small tattoo on his son’s side. Piercings are a different matter because they close up if you leave the stud out. But is piercing a child’s genitals legal? Then how can cutting part off be?

  • http://twitter.com/intactive Intactive

    A Fresno, California, man is doing time for letting a friend put a small tattoo on his son’s side. Piercings are a different matter because they close up if you leave the stud out. But is piercing a child’s genitals legal? Then how can cutting part off be?

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    Female and male circumcision started in the USA for the same reasons, to stop masturbation. Female cutting was made illegal (by feminists and intactivists groups) in 1996. Blue Cross paid for female circumcisions until 1979. So what’s it like for a girl next door to get the cut? Read Patricia Robinett’s book “The Rape of Innocence”.

    You know pushing the circumcision bill that only included females (sans male and intersex) we thought people will see the inherent sexism. How stupid is America? 15 years have passed. Soon 18 year old cut males will be suing the USA for discrimination not being equally protected. As I see it, three things could then happen- the courts court refuse hearing (no standing), males would be granted equal protection, or the 1996 FGM law will be struck down.

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    Who wants to suck on a 30 y.o. scar?
    Ever notice how some men have to the tongue rough glans, ranging to ultra smooth/slick. This telltales the brutality of tearing the foreskin away from the glans. Slick glans are always intact (not talking about pearls) and if cut, then was cut later in life.

    Ever notice that intact men precum a lot more. This is because the prostate is fully activated when not missing 75% of the sexual fine touch receptors. Also circ’d glans are 10% smaller and the penis an average 1/4 shorter in length and girth. The circ’d glans being slightly restricted from engorging is more spear shape compared to intact glans being more angular shaped.

    The sexual function of the DARTOS muscle tenses with erection thereby creating a solid one piece skin tube where any action anywhere on this tube/shaft is transferred to act on the Taylor’s Ridged Band, which through its loop to the Frenulum, his action is transferred to act on the frenulum, thus elliciting an orgasmic response. So all action on the erect shaft acts on the erogenous structures, the Taylor’s Ridged Band and Frenulum. No action is wasted.

    Circumcision always removes all of the ridged band and part to all of the frenulum. So any action on the erect shaft is wasted to act on these erogenous structures. Action must be applied directly on the frenulum remnant if any remains. This is what causes the cut male to thrust downward in intercourse to activiate what’s left of the frenulum, which is counter to what females want. They want to be more thrust upward. (Sex As Nature Intended)

  • http://twitter.com/KOTFrank Frank McGinness

    Who wants to suck on a 30 y.o. scar?
    Ever notice how some men have to the tongue rough glans, ranging to ultra smooth/slick. This telltales the brutality of tearing the foreskin away from the glans. Slick glans are always intact (not talking about pearls) and if cut, then was cut later in life.

    Ever notice that intact men precum a lot more. This is because the prostate is fully activated when not missing 75% of the sexual fine touch receptors. Also circ’d glans are 10% smaller and the penis an average 1/4 shorter in length and girth. The circ’d glans being slightly restricted from engorging is more spear shape compared to intact glans being more angular shaped.

    The sexual function of the DARTOS muscle tenses with erection thereby creating a solid one piece skin tube where any action anywhere on this tube/shaft is transferred to act on the Taylor’s Ridged Band, which through its loop to the Frenulum, his action is transferred to act on the frenulum, thus elliciting an orgasmic response. So all action on the erect shaft acts on the erogenous structures, the Taylor’s Ridged Band and Frenulum. No action is wasted.

    Circumcision always removes all of the ridged band and part to all of the frenulum. So any action on the erect shaft is wasted to act on these erogenous structures. Action must be applied directly on the frenulum remnant if any remains. This is what causes the cut male to thrust downward in intercourse to activiate what’s left of the frenulum, which is counter to what females want. They want to be more thrust upward. (Sex As Nature Intended)

  • Jenniferashe

    Well, we all can see that there are so many parents out there that just deal with these situations. Given that roughly 50% of children grow up in a single parent household these days, how and who exactly is going to have that discussion? And as for cleanliness, give me a break. Show me a 12 year old child that stays clean, and I’ll crap a golden twinkie. Few questions, why does it seem as though an overwhelmingly number of gay people are suporting this? Don’t give me the “socially enlightended” crap either. There is this disinformation campaign going on tht there are huge numbers of boys that this surgery goes horribly wrong more times than not. This is just not true. The probably of an infant circumcision going wrong is roughly equivolent to that of any other problems and/or complications that an infant may experience in the hospital. Give me a break. Yay for California being the voice of reason for a change. (Can’t believe I just said that)

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