A Proposal For An All New Ten Commandments

10 CommandmentsHFS, yeah the old ones lost their magick so I thought I’d give you all some new ones, charged with the force and power of the Aeon of Horus … ISN 666

#1 “If you cannot respect the rights of others than you yourself shall be denied your rights.”

#2 “Shun all forms of social status and classes, these are mere illusions that attempt to justify ignoring the needs of society.”

#3 “If you make children, you are responsible for their health, education and happiness. If you take a person into your household or join a person in their household that has children of their own you are to accept full responsibility of their care as if they were your own.”

#4 “When you view someone as a burden to society, know this line of thinking is a much worse burden and more detrimental to society than poverty.”

#5 “When your religion, belief, ideology or personal opinion justifies violating the rights of others, know you are an enemy to the cooperative.”

#6 “Live a full and happy life, shun rewards and promises of heaven. Be sincere in you words, deeds and love. Make every day of your life the paradise you seek”.

‎#7 “Do not lose your individuality to fads and peer pressure. Your uniqueness is your contribution to society.”

#8 “Defend yourselves and your domains, but leave justice and punishment to the cooperative for none of us alone are God but all of us together are.”

#9 ” If you cannot gaze upon the masses with civility then lower your gaze.”

#10 “Abide by these ten commandments and in so doing. Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will.”

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  • ArgosyJones

    PC twaddle in 10 mind-numbing lessons.

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      Hardly PC, well maybe if this was communist Russia.

      • ArgosyJones

        I guess that was narrow minded of me. It’s a mishmash of all kinds of twaddle, not just PC twaddle.

        Sorry bout that.

        • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

          No problem, we all have opinions and like assholes most of them stink.

          • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

            thats why I bathe

          • Madpoet0

            That does nothing for your opinions.

  • ArgosyJones

    PC twaddle in 10 mind-numbing lessons.

  • ArgosyJones

    PC twaddle in 10 mind-numbing lessons.

  • http://www.satanicchapel.org “Knife” Sotelo

    Finally another set of “Ten Commandment Alternatives”, readers will notice that this new decalogue is secular, omitting any reference to deities or how to worship them. This is a long-overdue and badly needed improvement.

    • anti-crowley

      Nobody was forcing you to follow the old ones. You will notice the old ones included God because they come out of the Jewish faith. If you were not Jewish or a Christian then why would you care what the old ones say? You make the comment like its referring to the Supreme Court law or the constitution which you are forced to follow. To say that they replace the old 10 commandments is to say that you aim to amend Jewish and Christian beliefs specifically.

      Knife sotelo you must have been soooo tired of ignoring and not believing the old 10 commandments, you poor thing. I’m glad you have found relief.

      • http://twitter.com/KnifeDogg ”Knife” Sotelo

        HAH just shut up already, you’re far from the point I was making anyways. I never said anything about following these commandments nor replacing the old ones (at least not yet). There’s a couple “Ten Commandment Alternatives” that I’m already familiar with ie. Dawkins and Hitchens, Hell the Georgia Guidestones are way better than the biblical commandments and trust me several alternative versions have been created so this is nothing new and no consensus exists as to a single authoritative version anyways.

        P.S. I’m a Catholic ;)

        • anti-crowley

          Georgia guidestones? So you believe the world population should be reduced to 500,000,000? Are you a fan of Eugenics? I assume that by the parenthetical statement “at least not yet” you mean that you are waiting for the Vatican to revise the Old Testament.

          P.S. The Roman Catholic Church is hardly a change from the Mystics, Satanist, Gnostic, Cabal ect.

  • http://www.satanicchapel.org “Knife” Sotelo

    Finally another set of “Ten Commandment Alternatives”, readers will notice that this new decalogue is secular, omitting any reference to deities or how to worship them. This is a long-overdue and badly needed improvement.

  • Muldunes

    Drop God and follow Aleister Crowley, boy this will fix the world!

    • http://twitter.com/AnitaCigarette Anita Cigarette.

      Yeah I noticed the last new commandment is one of Aleister Crowley’s rules. “Do what thou will & harm none, shall be the whole of the law.”

      • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

        Harm none? that isn’t Crowley that is Wicca.

        • http://twitter.com/AnitaCigarette Anita Cigarette.

          It’s both. Aleister Crowley taught Wicca & one of the rules in his books was the Wiccan Reed. It is also the law of Satanism.

          • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

            It is not the law of Satanism and Crowley helped Gerald Gardner write his form of Wicca which is not all forms of Wicca. As far as Satanism, there are many sects and no one law applies to all of them.
            My Satanism is at http://www.sosatan.org and you’ll see that is not our law.

        • anti-crowley

          Yeah, keep that garbage about harming none out of this! We have to keep nut cases like this from poisoning your work Michael.

          • Madpoet0

            Why, you don’t like competition?

          • anti-crowley

            Like you I despise the thought of non violence. Actually it was a comment dripping with sarcasm.

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      Only if it is your will to do so. As far as fix the world, I wasn’t aware it was broken, fault lines are natural.

      • Muldunes

        That’s probably because you don’t stray far from home, or watch the news, or talk to people who have done either of those. Global economy about to collapse, mass unrest in the Middle East, Genocide disease and starvation throughout Africa. The Crowley movement died in the 80′s, just because its new to some ignorant youth doesn’t mean it’s going to work this time-a-round.

      • Michael’s first beer

        If you were not aware that it was broken then what is the point of this article. You have an adolescent, simplistic view of the world. I suggest you get over your Emo phase, stop dressing like a vampire and start partaking in productive adult activities. Perhaps get involved in politics (lol) I laugh only because all you will ever do with your life is post ignorance on the internet. Thanks for the laugh, hope Marylin Manson gives you successful life advice.

        • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

          See rule # 9 and if you can stop being such a control freak you might be able to take a shit this month.
          O for the record criticisms like yours are a very old control mechanism get something new you’re boring.

  • Muldunes

    Drop God and follow Aleister Crowley, boy this will fix the world!

  • Paperhanger18

    “When you view someone as a burden to society, know this line of thinking is a much worse burden and more detrimental to society than poverty.”

    What does poverty have to do with being a burden to society? I can think of many people who are a burden and are not in poverty.

    • 5by5

      Cheney comes to mind. Or Rumsfeld. HUGE burdens to society. Rich guys.

      In fact, you could argue the ONLY burdens to society at large are rich. They burden the rest of us with scarcity because of their greed.

    • Common Sense

      You’re looking at it wrong. Poverty is a burden to society because it exists through selfishness. Those that are poor are not the burden, they are the ones carrying the burden. Do you see the difference? It’s actually stating those that enable poverty are the burden to society. For example: a filthy rich person who steals from the poor.

  • Paperhanger18

    “When you view someone as a burden to society, know this line of thinking is a much worse burden and more detrimental to society than poverty.”

    What does poverty have to do with being a burden to society? I can think of many people who are a burden and are not in poverty.

  • 5by5

    Cheney comes to mind. Or Rumsfeld. HUGE burdens to society. Rich guys.

    In fact, you could argue the ONLY burdens to society at large are rich. They burden the rest of us with scarcity because of their greed.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NLNM6ME2Y4ZAQLETRPARLMGL5E Modemac

    There’s an online essay (and a really cool video) by noted atheist and scholar Christopher Hitchens, giving his own idea of what an essential Ten Commandments for today’s society might be like. He puts forth some interesting and positive suggestions, which I would certainly agree with. The article and video in question can be found here:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/04/hitchens-201004

    Still, upon reflection I do have one quibble with Hitchens’ article — and with your proposal for a new Ten Commandments: namely the fact that the article is written in a 20th and 21st century point if view, using modern ideals. I’m reminded of an argument put forward by Sam Harris in “The End of Faith,” namely the idea that the Bible, or even the Ten Commandments, is supposed to be authored by the Creator of the Universe, who is supposed to be omniscient and aware of all events that would ever happen in the future until the end of the world. If this Creator really knew all about the future, then surely the Ten Commandments — his supreme word on how all of Humanity are supposed to live their lives — would include suggestions that might seem alien and strange to people of the Bronze Age (or whenever the Exodus from Egypt occurred), but would certainly become apparently and even obvious as history proceeded over the next several thousand years. While Harris gives an obvious example of a prophecy that probably should have been in the Bible (“there will be a worldwide network of computers, and it shall be called the Internet”), I’ve sometimes pondered what advice the Creator of the Universe *should* have laid down, if and when he gave Moses the Ten Commandments. If it was written in the style of the Biblical authors of that day, and yet it suggested things that we now know to be common sense, then I might be more inclined to believe that the Bible really is the true Word of God.

    For example –

    The question of slavery is an obvious one, and it’s one of the biggest fallacies given in the Bible. There are many passages in there that describe the proper treatment of slaves; even though we now know slavery to be one of the worst crimes committed by human beings against their fellow human beings. Imagine how Christianity, or society in general, might have developed if God had stated in the Ten Commandments: “THOU SHALT NOT KEEP THY NEIGHBOR AS A SLAVE, FOR IT ANGERS THE LORD THY GOD TO SEE A MAN WITH LESSER STATUS THAN OTHER MEN.” A commandment like this would have caused serious harm to the slave trade, or even ended it entirely…*if* it had been made public and not suppressed.

    Or, on the other hand, what if there was a commandment that said, “KEEP THY BODY CLEAN AND FREE OF PESTILENCE, AND KEEP THY FOOD CLEAN AND OFF THE GROUND.” In the time the Ten Commandments were supposedly written — maybe about one or two thousand years B.C. — a commandment like this would no doubt have made the Hebrews scratch their heads in confusion. “Why are we supposed to keep our food clean and off of the ground? Oh well, God tells us to do so, so we’d better do it.” And then, nearly three or four thousand years later, the discovery of bacteria and viruses (and the subsequent development of modern medications and vaccines) made it abundantly clear that personal hygiene regarding both our bodies, and the food we eat, are essential to prevent the onset of disease and pestilence. A commandment like that would have been a great sign that the Ten Commandments really did come from the Creator of the Universe, who knew what Mankind’s future would be like.

    Even so, consider how civilization might have developed if there had been a commandment along these lines: “SEEK OUT AND DISCOVER THAT WHICH IS UNKNOWN, IN THE WIDE WORLD AND IN THY OWN MIND, FOR I THE LORD THY GOD HATH MUCH TO SHOW THEE THAT THOU KNOWEST NOT.” Instead of simply pointing at the Bible and saying, “This book has ALL the answers, and all those new discoveries like astronomy and evolution are blasphemies,” the Church might then have embraced new learning and science, and the Dark Ages might never would have held Europe under their thrall for a thousand years. Who knows…if a commandment like this existed back in the days of Nebuchadnezzar, Moses, or David, then civilization would have developed along a very different path.

    But instead, we have a group of Ten Commandments in which the author (God) spends nearly half of its length saying, “Worship me and don’t anger me.” Only after laying down four commandments that essentially say the same thing (“Worship me, damn you!”) does God finally get down to giving useful advice that people might want to consider listening to and following. As a set of rules laid down by the Creator of the Universe for every single human being to follow, the Ten Commandments as we know them have a lot of wasted space…and, unfortunately, even greater wasted potential.

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      I’m surprised #8 didn’t catch your eye. Especially you being an Atheist.

    • Anti-Crowley

      You would have people believe that you have actually read a Bible when your ignorance on this issue is quite glaring. First of all, lets mention that there are literally thousands of commandments given to the Hebrews by God. Many of them regard hygiene and healthy living. Secondly, the idea that slavery is not OK is brought to you by….wait for it, Christian ideology, along with the rest of our basic human rights which our founding fathers got from the Christian God!

      Another reminder, the corruption of Christianity now known as the Roman Catholic Church was a result of mixing politics with Christianity. Constantine is where you begin to see this happen. Government has and always will overstep its bounds and oppress its people. Just because it decided to hijack a religion does not make that religion invalid. I could pull any number of a thousand case studies on the State corrupting everything it gets its hands on, including religion. The State does this because it is a very good method of controlling people. Look what ours does with money, which is the modern day method of controlling the masses.

      Most of this list loans its original concepts from Jewish and Christian ethical precepts! If you don’t see that then I suggest you further you education before posting any further. The first four on the list are all Christian concepts. In fact, I wish you good luck in establishing what someones “rights” are without a religious base. Do I have the right to do drugs even though they harm me? You would say yes, but do I then have the right to sell them if they harm others? You would say no. Your commandment against belief in Heaven is propagating under the premise that there is no Heaven. This commandment of yours would already infringe on the rights of others who believe in Heaven. Likewise, if there actually is a Heaven this commandment in nonsense. Before you could command someone not to believe in Heaven there would have to be conclusive evidence that it does not exist. The only parts of this list that don’t agree with the Christian worldview of ethics and morals are clearly just stark contrasting attempts to jab at Christianity. Crowley made his anti-Christian belief structure because he hated Christianity and worshiped Satan. If you would like to continue to follow Aleister’s teachings don’t claim Atheism. Crowley very much believed in a Spiritual world, he believed Lucifer ruled it. If you don’t believe that I suggest you pick up a copy of Magika and read it.

      • Madpoet0

        Nothing in my ten commandments came from the Jewish bible. You suck at propaganda, anyone that reads your post and my 10 commandments will see right away that you and your argument are full of SHIT!

        • anti-crowley

          Anyone who has studied American history and understand the origins of American ethics and morals knows where they came from, Christianity. The universal rights that are self evident to all Americans can be clearly traced back to the Bible. So I will ask again in regards to your “commandments” son.

          #1: Where and when do you define your version of “rights.” Oh, and by the way, this rule is in place in any government who possesses prisons. Not your idea, but it is a good idea as long as we can establish a universal definition of rights. Which Christianity does.
          #2 Social Classes are shunned in the New Testament by Christ and his disciples. Sorry, got that one covered in Christianity too, but again it is a great idea.
          #3 Is the best one of all, Christianity agrees with this to the letter. Education and health of the child are accountable to the parents…not the State.
          #4 Caring for the poor, the oppressed, the outcast. Christian principles yet again. Jesus hung out with the impoverished, not at the country club. So far you are matching Christianity pretty well. I don’t think there is any new information here even to the pious.
          #5 Strong language, you are declaring an enemy based on a system that does not have a clear starting point for “rights” The obvious undertone here is a statement against Islam. But, I would also detect a hint of pro-gay marriage or abortion “rights” here (by the way do you recognize the rights of a baby in the womb?)
          #6 Full and Happy life, honest in speech, love and charity are most important…all Christian beliefs as well. So is the belief of “worry not about tomorrow” the only new concept here is your demanding nobody believe in Heaven, in fact you are commanding them to shun the idea. You are now infringing on my right to have free thoughts and beliefs in my God. Boy great system there. You’re real intent for this article leaps out and you are now exposed.
          #7 “uniqueness is your contribution to society!?” great motivational poster, but not a good commandment. I would say my Charity, work ethic, sympathy, intelligence and sacrifice would be the better candidate for contributions to society. Your bid to uniqueness is just a cliche remnant of Crowley’s revolution in the 70′s.
          #8 Justice is for the State? Thought we were already doing it. If we aren’t then we an look at the Bible and see that justice and punishment of crime is the chief purpose of having a State to begin with. Yet again your real colors shine through as you claim “together we are God”.
          #9 Sounds pretty, but it is empty as far as commandments go. Just another good quote that I may put at them closing of an email. The deeper concepts of this one have been covered your previous commandments.
          #10 This last one is not yours at all, you plagiarize Crowley to the letter. It is worth stating to everyone that American youth tried Crowley’s revolution against the system, parents and State. This of course was after he died a sexual deviant with a serious heroin addiction (great icon to emulate). This sexual revolution led to the %700 rise in teen pregnancy and abortion of over 40,000,000 babies. This spike in drug use that is now out of control and causing the border of Mexico to break down. But hey, at least we have Charles Manson and his murderous crew to show for it. YOUR propaganda has been tried by Crowley and Charles Manson. We know how it ends…in suffering and drug addiction or worse. Keep your hate against Christians. We don’t buy your “open mindedness” for a second son.

          • Madpoet0

            Anybody that knows me and what I’m about knows you are a liar.
            The Hate Christians statement really exposes you as a liar.
            The only Hate in my Posting of my Ten commandments are your posts.

          • anti-crowley

            Unfortunately, most of those reading this post don’t know you. That is to say other than what you have posted here. If you prescribe to Crowley’s system, but do not hate Christians, then you do not prescribe to Crowley’s system. He hated Christianity and was set to tear down any belief that was Christian. IF you don’t hate Christianity then I would refrain from quoting him or pushing his teaching on others. It’s akin to quoting Hitler’s beliefs and wondering why Jews think you hate them. You are right if you think I am assuming a lot about you based on this post, because I am. Because of the link to Crowley, I assume you condone the use of mind altering drugs. I further assume that you have had no involvement in combating drugs within the U.S. I take that assumption farther into assuming that you have not worked in an ER and seen youth die in front of you from drug overdose. I assume you have never seen neglected or abused children who have drug addicted parents. I may be wrong in these assumptions about you. But I am not wrong in the fact that the “casual drug use” practiced and preached by Crowley is a bad thing. This is the real world and real bad things are going on. I have witnessed these things because I contribute to society in fighting them. I fight them because of my Christian morals and ethics. You are right, I DO hate these things I have just mentioned. I hate them because I care about the people these beliefs hurt. I hate them because my children have to deal with a society of youth who are constantly looking for the next high, or the next sexual encounter. I have seen lives and families destroyed by sexual addiction, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease. I have seen all of these things lead to suicide. To you things like this are a simple post on the internet to stimulate discussion. To many others these types of beliefs have destroyed their life. I look at this post and many comments hear and they scream ignorance of the effects of these things.

            There are a lot of attacks on Christianity out there these days and they all sound similar to certain things in your ten commandments. People put Christianity on par with the extremists in Islam. I can promise you I have a significant amount of life experience to back up my positions, much more than you do. It spans across many countries and over a large period of time.

          • Tuna Ghost

            I take that assumption farther into assuming that you have not worked in an ER and seen youth die in front of you from drug overdose. I assume you have never seen neglected or abused children who have drug addicted parents. I may be wrong in these assumptions about you. But I am not wrong in the fact that the “casual drug use” practiced and preached by Crowley is a bad thing.

            That’s a big assumption, friend. I’ve seen all these things. I bet a lot of us have. We do, after all, live in the “real world” you’re describing here. And many of us still use drugs recreationally.

            And can we stop with the personal anecdotes? None of us know you. Your past experiences, unless you back them up with statistics or facts or something are of no use to us.

          • anti-crowley

            Correct, it is a big assumption. I have another one, lets see is you can swallow this one. I assume that the author of this post will never get these “10 commandment” past this webpage into any significant area of society. That’s right tuna ghost, looks like they are doomed to stay in the circles of disturbed teenagers and adults who live with their parents. You can get high and talk about how profound they are to your drugged up buddies.

          • Tuna Ghost

            Truth be told I find them pretty pompous and adolescent, disturbingly so given that the author is apparently pushing fifty. No one here would be surprised to discover that they won’t go anywhere beyond the internet, probably not even the author. Quite the opposite, actually.

            Look buddy you gotta knock it off with the assumptions. They reveal more about you than I think you realize.

          • sssseth

            So, though I’m sure Anti-Crowley and I would probably disagree on most things, but he is entertaining and seemingly intelligent. Which makes me wonder, why he would assume everyone on this site to be on drugs, a teenager, or some basement dwelling loser adult? Is it really that hard to picture any actual freethinking, intelligent and responsible adults using this site? Why so much hate for drugs and sex? Have you ever thought that maybe drugs and sex aren’t the problems but the irresponsible ways in which people use and practice them are? Ignorant use or practice of anything potentially dangerous can be life damaging, but that doesn’t make cars or guns the root problem. As far as mind altering, our own bodies release “mind altering” substances all the time, which give us emotions that we often become addicted to, why not choose to alter your own mind and gain a different perspective from time to time? It could become a crutch if you let it, the same way people become overly dependent on the emotional addictions of religion or even sports for that matter.

            I was interested to read the 10 New Commandments, but certainly can’t agree with them. Earlier I questioned the “Synagogue of Satan” and was politely corrected that it’s actually the “SINagogue of Satan.” Which is fine, you guys do your thing, but I have to say that whole shock value thing is so tired. As is the idea of being proud of being a “sinner”, or what that would even mean to a group of people who don’t believe that sin is actually wrong in the first place. I’m fairly well read on Christianity and religion in general and I’ve always read that to sin was to “miss the mark”, to go against your personal best, and idea I (and probably a satanist) could get behind, not to break some detached deities moral code.

            I’m new at posting, but have read comments forever, don’t be gentle.

          • Tuna Ghost

            So, though I’m sure Anti-Crowley and I would probably disagree on most things, but he is entertaining and seemingly intelligent.

            I would…strongly disagree with that statement, to put it mildly.

            Which is fine, you guys do your thing, but I have to say that whole shock value thing is so tired.

            I doubt many (if any) people here are actual Satanists, either in the baby-sacrificing sense or the far more boring Anton Lavey watered-down Nietzsche stuff, for the reason you just mentioned.

          • Madpoet0

            You are a nut case.

          • michael3ov

            That was absolute rubbish. Ethics and our way of life came from the enlightenment. Not christianity. Our founders were in no way devout christians. They were free thinkers and deist. The despised the rigid philosophy of the church and recognized that religion had no place in the founding of the US. They made this abundantly clear to anyone who takes the time to read their works and doesn’t fall victim to the lies and propoganda of the religous right.

          • Madpoet0

            Thank you I wish there were a million more like you.
            Jefferson and Adams and more made this very clear.
            http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/nation.html

          • Jahopson Tx

            You said – “Anyone who has studied American history and understand the origins of American ethics and morals knows where they came from, Christianity.” I thought American ethics and morals came from all those evil Freemason forefathers? ; )

      • Madpoet0

        Nothing in my ten commandments came from the Jewish bible. You suck at propaganda, anyone that reads your post and my 10 commandments will see right away that you and your argument are full of SHIT!

      • Adam

        “Crowley made his anti-Christian belief structure because he hated Christianity and worshiped Satan. If you would like to continue to follow Aleister’s teachings don’t claim Atheism. Crowley very much believed in a Spiritual world, he believed Lucifer ruled it. If you don’t believe that I suggest you pick up a copy of Magika and read it.”

        1. Actually, I believe you’re referring to “Magick in Theory and Practice,” or else you’re talking about some Christian fundamentalist claptrap that no one here is going to take seriously. And this is Disinfo, for God’s sake; some folks on here still take David Icke seriously.
        2. Aleister Crowley was not a Satanist (in either the traditional or modern sense), but was indeed highly anti-Christian (despite, or maybe because of, his being steeped in Christian theology and Biblical studies since he was a young child); if you can’t see the distinction between the two, well, then that speaks volumes about your moral and intellectual character right there. Crowley would more likely be classified as an extreme agnostic, meaning he was undecided on the truth or falsity of all phenomenon, a la Robert Anton Wilson. He just liked to offend people like you by throwing in the “evil” imagery and blasphemy. Why? Because, let’s face it, most religious folks (and notice I did not say Christians) need to lighten the fuck up.

        Nice try, but thanks for playing. Enjoy your Chick tracts. Oh, and that angry, ignorant judgmental attitude you’re affecting pretty much defines you as a member of an extremist Protestant sect; I’m guessing Baptist or maybe Pentecostal? Or something even more asinine and hateful.

        Are you Fred Phelps? :)

        • anti-crowley

          Adam,
          Let us take a look at some quotes directly for Crowley’s work. But first, to your accusation of being hateful lets look at your own choice of words.

          “Christian fundamentalist claptrap”
          “Nice try, but thanks for playing. Enjoy your Chick tracts. Oh, and that angry, ignorant judgmental attitude you’re affecting pretty much defines you as a member of an extremist Protestant sect; I’m guessing Baptist or maybe Pentecostal? Or something even more asinine and hateful.”

          “Are you Fred Phelps?”

          Wow, no hate there on your part I am sure though. :)

          In his major work Magick in Theory & Practice, Crowley describes the manner in which Satan fits into his intricate cosmology: the Aeon of Horus, which he believed he was destined and chosen to proclaim to
          mankind, includes the formula FIAOF of which the ‘O’ component is

          “The exalted ‘Devil’ (also the other secret Eye {phallic worship}) by the formula of the initiates of Horus… This ‘Devil’ is called Satan or Shaitan, and regarded with horror by people who are ignorant of his formula…

          “… We have therefore no scruple in restoring the ‘devil worship’ of such ideas…

          “Thus the ‘Devil’ is Capricornus, the Goat who leaps upon the loftiest mountains, the Godhead which, became manifest in man, makes him Aegipan, the All.”

          Crowley’s literary executor and biographer, John Symonds, writes:

          “Crowley’s philosophy takes a bit from here and a bit from there… but… he was more a Satanist than anything else. ‘I serve my great Master Satan’, he wrote in one of his franker confessions, ‘and that
          august Council composed of Beelzebub, Lucifuge, Asmodeus, Belphegor, Baal, Adrammelech, Lilith and
          Nahema.’”
          (John Symonds, The Great Beast).

          to quote you. “if you can’t see the distinction between the two, well, then that speaks volumes about your moral and intellectual character right there.”

          I could not have said it better myself…but hey nice try.

          • Adam

            Yes…quoting the notoriously biased John Symonds to support any point regarding Crowley (positive or negative): excellent scholarship. In fact, your entire “proof” of the man as an evil, sinister devil-worshiper seems to be lifted whole cloth from the Internet, as anyone can verify for themselves by following these links:
            http://www.book-of-thoth.com/archives-article-nobreaks-1755.html
            http://www.satanservice.org/theory/thelacstn.txt
            The phrasing and choice of quotes are almost exactly the same as in your above post. What’s the word I’m looking for? Oh, that’s right: PLAGIARISM. But I’m sure this was entirely accidental on your part. Incidentally, both of these links offer fairly good, nuanced arguments as to why AC was not a Satanist.

            And let’s take a look at that quote from Crowley himself shall we? “I serve my great Master Satan’, he wrote in one of his franker confessions, ‘and that august Council composed of Beelzebub, Lucifuge, Asmodeus, Belphegor, Baal, Adrammelech, Lilith and Nahema.’” How exactly does this invalidate my point regarding AC’s fondness for pissing off Christians? Again, he certainly wanted narrow-minded religious folks to THINK he was a Satanist (styling himself “the Great Beast,” identifying with the number 666, and countless other examples), and was definitely anti-religion in general and anti-Christian in particular, but being opposed to Christianity does not make one a Satanist, just as being opposed to fascism does not make one a communist. Unless you’re one of those “either/or” people, which is just sad (and stupid).
            However, the quote you use (by use I mean stole from another source) from Magick in Theory and Practice (and I noticed you did not correct the mistaken title of “Magika” until I pointed it out either; you’re welcome) even more clearly spells out Crowley’s view of Satan:
            “The exalted ‘Devil’ (also the other secret Eye {phallic worship}) by the formula of the initiates of Horus… This ‘Devil’ is called Satan or Shaitan, and regarded with horror by people who are ignorant of his formula…
            … We have therefore no scruple in restoring the ‘devil worship’ of such ideas…
            Thus the ‘Devil’ is Capricornus, the Goat who leaps upon the loftiest mountains, the Godhead which, became manifest in man, makes him Aegipan, the All.”

            AC equated the “Devil,” “Satan,” or more properly, Shaitan (which is a term from the Yezidis, an ancient Kurdish tribe and religion that was contemporary with and may even predate Judaism) with a solar-phallic “goat,” a lusty, life-force male deity not unlike Pan; Pan was then, just as you’re doing now, mistakenly turned into the Biblical Devil by early Christian church leaders to stamp out ancient European pagan beliefs. I don’t really see any invalidation of my original point, which is that you’re not really reading Crowley very closely or with a discerning eye, and you’re buying not only a modern fundamentalist slant on the guy, but also the man’s own personal myth-making.

            And I don’t hate you, Anti-Crowley; you just seem like kind of a douchebag.

          • anti-crowley

            If your point in this is that I don’t spend vast amounts of my life studying Crowley’s work…correct. I am a douchebag that has spent my entire adult life dealing with lives destroyed by drugs, sexually irresponsibility which leads to unwanted children and terminal STDs. I have also been exposed to the chaos brought to the world in the drug trafficking epidemic in Mexico and Columbia. Why does that matter? Because it is brought here to satisfy the market of drug addicted American citizens. Not too long ago I got to hear the story of a 3 year old beat to death by a boot wielding boyfriend who was high and didn’t like the child’s crying. The mother wasn’t interested in stopping it because she was in a heroin induced haze. I spend my time being concerned about those things, not studying Crowley. I could care less about the spelling of Crowley’s book title, or whether or not he just “pretends” to be a Satanist inwardly or actually believes what he is writing or saying. They guy “inspired” the drug use and sexual revolution of the 70′s which is responsible for the wide spread drug problem that has plagued the country since. Let’s hear your contribution to society Adam. Lets hear about how your helping the poor and sacrificing for those in desperate need.

            A person who is against Fascism is not necessarily a Communist. But if that person boasts of Communism and knowingly projects Communist propaganda then any reasonable person is logical in his conclusion that he is a Communist. I suppose I should apologize for participating in this post, I’m sure you would prefer only those who agree with you should be allowed to post their opinions.

            I did find my information entirely on the internet for that post you are correct. I have recently discovered that the internet can be used to research a lot things. I am currently trying to convince the rest of the world to use it for that purpose, what do you think? I suppose you may be right that we should not use the internet for such things, perhaps you can share your sources on Crowley that are absent from the world wide web. Tell us all Adam, are you in the habit of using mind altering drugs? Am I mistaken in my belief that Crowley promotes it? I have reached my conclusions about what Crowley’s message is to people based not only on the internet, but what nearly everyone of his dedicated followers pushed out in the 60′s and 70′s. Stuff you may have heard or read about as I doubt you were alive back then (an assumption I made based on your choice to use the word douchebag.) You sound to me like someone with little life experience or none at all past college. You just don’t sound like a person who has traveled the world and seen long term effects of things such as what we are discussing here.

          • Tuna Ghost

            You just don’t sound like a person who has traveled the world and seen long term effects of things such as what we are discussing here.

            You mean Satanism and Crowley? Because that’s all you guys were talking about before you brought in your unsubstantiated claims about working with youths and victims of the ridiculous war on drugs.

            Look, guy, no one here gives a rat’s ass if either of you are working at orphanages during your spare time or actively shooting up as you write your diatribes. Fact is, your research is pretty crappy and saying “well of course I don’t study Crowley very much because I’m busy being a good person” doesn’t excuse shitty research. If you’re unfamiliar with a subject, stay out of the discussion.

            They guy “inspired” the drug use and sexual revolution of the 70′s which is responsible for the wide spread drug problem that has plagued the country since.

            To be blunt: no, he didn’t, and the fact that you think he did makes me uneasy, given that you work somehow with drug users. You’ve just admitted you don’t know much about Crowley and don’t care to learn. In light of this, why should we listen to you talk about him? Why are you even talking about him? Why does your opinion on the subject matter at all? Can you tell us, friend?

          • anti-crowley

            Correction tuna ghost. YOU don’t care about someone who works in orphanages. Most people are no like you tuna. The “ridiculous” war against drugs? You must not live anywhere near the Southern border of the US. You think it’s ridiculous because you are most likely a user…..oh, that one is going to strike a nerve in the tuna ghost. The subject here is not Crowley, it is this madpoet0 character who has purposed a tyrannical form of government, something neither him or you are experts in. None of you are experts in Christian theology or politics, yet that didn’t stop you from diarrhea of the mouth on the subjects. Do you honestly wonder why some druggy Satanist is being questioned for purposing a way to run our country? My opinion matters because I would be subject to these commandments if they were implemented. Madpoet suggests how to run my life, I suggest he should stop using drugs and stop thinking he knows what is best for the entire human race.

          • Tuna Ghost

            The “ridiculous” war against drugs? You must not live anywhere near the Southern border of the US.

            The war on drugs is directly responsible for the chaos there. The war on drugs is what puts money and power into the hands of very bad people. The war on drugs is why you see the suffering you claim to see everyday. This is no longer even debated, guy. This is widely recognized, both by government agencies and victim support organizations. Why are you so out of the loop, friend?

            The subject here is not Crowley,…

            Yes, it was. Because that’s what you guys were talking about. Now you’re switching the subject because you were called out and proven to not actually know anything about him.

          • Blackcat1018

            wow, where to start. First off you sound incredibly ignorant. The war on drugs is the only reason people are dying violent deaths from drugs. If drugs were not illegal then gangs and criminals would not be the only ones controlling the sale. Look at California or Colorado, where pot is legal for sale. Nice, respectable shops are all over the place, in upscale malls and nice “upstanding” and maybe even, gasp Christian, people shopping there. No violence, no death. It is the “war on drugs” that is the problem, not the drugs. You think drugs are bad, because you were programmed that way growing up in your church, yet you never had the balls to think for yourself. Certain drugs are illegal because, A) they are cheap to produce with little profit margin in a legal environment, thus corporations can make money off them. (compare the effects of weed or mushrooms to your antidepressant or migraine medicine some time, see which is worse, also compare the cost, see which is worse) B) they open your mind to new ways of thinking, which makes you question authority and start thinking independently and asking questions. Thats it. Can be get addicted, sure, but that is not why their illegal, people get addicted to smoking, drinking, (legal) painkillers, etc, all the time. This is not limited to certain drugs, but rather a possible condition for any chemical that enters the body.

            As for the tyrannical form of government it would not come from these commandments, although I agree with you that they are contradictory at times, reflect the same general morals as most major world religions, and are generally poorly written. Yet, I don’t find them tyrannical, as they make several references to individual rights, taking responsibility for oneself and ones family. It mentions respecting others, removing social classes, and implies freedom of choice in most matters. look at tyrannical governments, and you will see a total lack of personal rights, turning over responsibility of your own and your family’s life to the government, a distrust of others, two, maybe three, classes of people the elite governmental rulers, and the surfs. The possible third class would be in-between and would be small and serve to manage the day to day of the serfs with would make up 95-99% of the population (often this is a religious class such as priests or moral police).

            As for the “druggy” (not a real word btw) Satanist comment, the reason he was asked is because he was a respected leader of a large group of people and his opinion, unlike say yours, was considered valuable. He experimented with drugs and keep extensive logs on them to show their effects. This is now different then any other scientist except he experimented on himself rather then risk harm to others. As with most true occult followers “Satan” or Lucifer is seen as a good and enlightening force, not as the evil Christian devil, so this changes the context of the comment and makes it irreverent as the condemnation you intended it to be.

            I agree your opinion matters because you would be subject to these laws if they were implemented. Don’t worry they wont be. Nobody said they would, no one has pushed for them to be, and it is not even in the realm of possibility for the foreseeable future. so calm the fuck down

            You, and every Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc think you know what is best for the entire human race and try to push your belief and tell everyone else how to live their lives. Madpoet is just following your example and doing what you do, isn’t that what you wanted?

          • GoodDoktorBad

            I was wondering….do you ever take a shit? I have a great source for colon cleaner. This stuff really works.
            Try it…you’ll feel better!

            http://www.drnatura.com/

          • anti-crowley

            I hear meth and crack do wonders to loosen the bowels as well, perhaps you could point me to a good dealer?

          • GoodDoktorBad

            Dude, you’re a seething loon. A zealot. Possessed. Obsesssed. Repressed. Your silly stabs are pathetic.

            With your every word you brand yourself a fool…..

          • Madpoet0

            “Flagged” Soliciting drugs on Disinfo.com shame on you! Hey aren’t you that TV evangelist that got busted doing meth with a gay prostitute?

          • Adam

            “I could care less about the spelling of Crowley’s book title, or whether or not he just “pretends” to be a Satanist inwardly or actually believes what he is writing or saying.”

            Really? Then why label yourself as Anti-Crowley and try to consistently make points with inaccurate information, as when you say things like: “Crowley made his anti-Christian belief structure because he hated Christianity and worshiped Satan. If you would like to continue to follow Aleister’s teachings don’t claim Atheism.” But you don’t care what his beliefs actually were, despite that being the entire basis for our conversation (as Tuna Ghost quite clearly pointed out). And then you pull a nice rhetorical trick by changing the subject and your whole point of attack: “They guy “inspired” the drug use and sexual revolution of the 70′s which is responsible for the wide spread drug problem that has plagued the country since.” What exactly does this have to do with AC’s philosophical beliefs? What does it have to do with our conversation? You’re free to post here, just be expected to back up your claims accurately and originally, rather than trying to change the subject and making sweeping generalizations.

            “Lets hear about how your helping the poor and sacrificing for those in desperate need.”

            Well, let’s see…I work as a teacher with autistic, mentally disturbed, and underprivileged children in my own community, and while I don’t proselytize or preach to the poor and homeless here in central California (which has one of the worst poverty rates in the U.S.), I consistently treat those people with both dignity and respect as human beings; I live in a very poor neighborhood, and I see and interact with drug addicts of all types on a daily basis, aside from what I deal with at my job. Your horror stories about the evils of drug addiction do not faze me; I see and contend with the same thing every day. But no, I’m not a missionary, nor do I claim to be nor would I want to be one. And yes, I have traveled the world, I’ve been to Europe and Mexico several times, entirely for personal recreational purposes, and no, I did not purchase any illegal substances in said countries (not that it would be any of your intrusive, self-righteous business). If you’re so against drug use, then I’m assuming you don’t smoke, drink alcohol, take prescription pain medications, muscle relaxants, mood stabilizers, anti-depressants, or use caffeine. Because those are all “drugs.” Have you ever seen a bipolar twelve-year-old without the morning soda usually given to him by his tweaker parents? I’m guessing you have based on the glowing description you gave of yourself and your work with addicts, so you know they are absolutely insane without their completely legal drug. I’m going to assume the major difference between the two of us in this area is the fact that I don’t try to weasel in my religious beliefs as a prerequisite for helping people.

            However, none of that is (or should be) relevant to our conversation. The fact that you’re trying to call my personal character into question because I called you out on your inept research and judgmental attitude, again speaks volumes about you. You sir, ARE a douchebag. Age does not automatically confer wisdom or moral authority, but per your example, it certainly does seem to confer a smug and sanctimonious personality. Have a nice day.

          • anti-crowley

            I labeled myself anti-crowley so people would know exactly where I was going before they even read my post, think of it like the subject line. You failed to address several topics. One, I asked if you used drugs as a rhetorical question to emphasize the next question. Which was did Crowley used drugs and recommended it to others? The answer to that one is yes as well. As my expertise in Crowley you are right again, not an expert. That is why I posted the statement from John Symonds. Why should we accept your estimate of Crowley over 60 years after his death over Symonds who was a personal associate of him.

            If I am self righteous then what does it say about Madpoet0 who decided his proposed 10 commandments should be adhered to by the entire human race. Sounds to me Adam that you are contributing to society a little more than was suggested earlier, that is by just being unique. If you are being honest as well about your work (I do believe you by the way) then that is great and maybe you should post articles commensurate with that life. Crowley taught Satanism and the existence of supernatural entities. If he didn’t actually believe in what he was teaching (as you say) then maybe he should have been a little more genuine about what he was teaching.

            As the resident expert in Crowley here, was he a heroin addict? Did he tell others to use mind altering drugs?

            Do you place Mountain due on the same level as heroin?

            Where is your information coming from on Crowley that cannot be found in the Internet?

            If only Crowley experts should be allowed to post here, then keep your posts off of the public forum and in your occult circles. Don’t push them on the rest of society if you don’t like resistance. If you resort to slander and name calling then expect people to defend their character as I did. To respond to character defense with accusations of self righteousness is absurd. I’m sure you would love to be able to call people names and run away, but that is cowardly and ignorant.

          • Tuna Ghost

            Why should we accept your estimate of Crowley over 60 years after his death over Symonds who was a personal associate of him.

            1. Objectivity
            2. Symonds reputation as a biased resource
            3. Adam’s reports that coincide with what is written about Crowley in legitimate sources

            Some people do research, you see. That’s what we learned to do in University.

            If I am self righteous then what does it say about Madpoet0 who decided his proposed 10 commandments should be adhered to by the entire human race.

            That you’re both self-righteous and clueless, probably. This comes as a surprise to nobody, I am sure.

            Where is your information coming from on Crowley that cannot be found in the Internet?

            Probably where mine comes from: books. Many many books. Your local library has them.

            If only Crowley experts should be allowed to post here, then keep your posts off of the public forum and in your occult circles

            Disino is part of the occult community, friend. If you want to learn about Crowley, you can come here and learn about him. Look around a bit.

            But really, if you don’t know much about Crowley and have no interest in learning about Crowley, why do you continue to ask questions and offer opinions? What value, exactly, do you see in your opinions of him, given your lack of information and lack of desire to get information? What value do your views have for the audience? Why should we listen to you, when you’ve admitted you don’t know of what you speak? Or are you talking just to hear your own voice, so to speak? Can you answer these questions without telling us what bad people we are and what a good person you are? Can you, friend?

          • anti-crowley

            A big part of why I posted on hear is because I didn’t see any balance that is suppose to be the hallmark of Disinfo. Just a bunch of Crowley’s making out with each other and telling one another how brilliant they are. That and I have stumbled on some pretty entertaining debate here, at least by a few of you.

            Books? You mean the ones that are a plenty in digital form on the internet? Can you seriously not find Crowley’s work on the web? It takes all of about 5 minutes.

            Anyway, got a flight to catch. You all can continue your self fellatio, free of dissent!

          • Adam

            “As the resident expert in Crowley here, was he a heroin addict? Did he tell others to use mind altering drugs?”

            I’m not the resident Crowley expert, nor did I claim to be; this is Disinfo boss, half the people on here could be considered “experts” on the guy. And yes, he did end his life as a serious heroin addict and advocated drug use as a means to both alter and improve one’s consciousness, given that one paid rigorous attention to detail and discipline; this last aspect is admittedly very ironic considering Crowley ended up developing a serious addiction and “weakness” completely contrary to his personal code of ethics. Again, I don’t care if you post comments regarding whatever subject, but if you don’t know what you’re talking about, expect people who do to call you out on it; I’m sure you feel the same way.

            “Do you place Mountain due on the same level as heroin?”

            No, but I would place alcohol and prescription painkillers on the same level; think of that what you will.

            “Where is your information coming from on Crowley that cannot be found in the Internet?”

            Well, golly, you stumped me; books, I guess? Israel Regardie is a good pro-Crowley source (also a personal associate of AC and he had choice words to say about Symonds and anyone who thought of Crowley as a Satanist), and Lawrence Sutin wrote an excellent, very balanced biography called “Do What Thou Wilt” that treats the man neither as a divine prophet or as an evil demon in human form, but simply as a cultural phenomenon. Then of course there’s Robert Anton Wilson, but virtually everything he wrote would likely piss you off.

            Frankly, I could give a fuck less about MadPoet’s commandments. This is neither a condemnation or an endorsement of them, but I just saw a big fat discussion on this article and decided to get in on it for kicks; I know, silly me. Sometimes I just can’t resist the fundie baiting.

            As for personal drug use…yes I sometimes use illegal substances, but I stick to marijuana and entheogens; no synthetic shit for me, thank you. If you think that makes me deluded, or a bad person, or just a loser in your estimation well then so be it, I certainly wouldn’t expect much less of a judgment from you. And you are a self-righteous, judgmental person, it’s patently obvious.

            By all means, continue to feel superior and very well-versed in the grand game of life; if I was a betting man (I’m not, never been a vice I could get into), then I would say that you, like virtually everyone on this planet, will be VERY surprised when the last moments come. Or do you have “God’s Will” figured out as well? I use those terms because they likely hold a personal meaning for you, and can basically mean anything an individual wants them to, regardless of one’s personal belief or thought system. Point being: you are in the same boat as everyone else here, whether you, they, or even I want to admit it; at the very core of your being, you doubt, you question, you search, you argue, you hope, you fear. To quote one of the great philosophers of our age: “it’s all just a ride.” Have a good one.

          • Tuna Ghost

            By the by, Crowley was prescribed morphine for his lukemia, a common practice at the time. He did not use heroin recreationally nor did he recommend heroin to people.

        • Reasonable Individual

          who the fuck are you to try to box everyone that is a Baptist or Pentecostal as being hateful and asinine?

          I grew up in both of those churches, and couldnt imagine a more caring community than that fostered by those people.

          Implying that anyone who is in that denomination is hateful shows your own ignorance. And it is a slap in the face of people like my dear grandmother, who has shown nothing but kindness to everyone she has met.

          You seem like someone trying to come off as smarter than they actually are. Maybe you should rethink your words before displaying your own ignorance.

          Hope the advice helps you. I truly do (although if you are like most anti-religious people who try to be more intellectual than they actually are, you won’t head helpful advice and instead try to attack comments meant to help you)

          • Reasonable Individual

            You know…disregard my post. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and who am I to judge someone just because they have an opinion that is contradictory to mine.

          • Madpoet0

            It’s Christians like you that help to give Christianity a good name.
            It’s Christians like Anti-Crowley that the rest of us think of when we hear the name Christian.

          • Adam

            Look, I grew up in a religious Christian household as well, and although I never shared the faith of my parents or grandparents (and they all knew that), I still had respect for the way they practiced it; in addition, a lot of folks at the church they attended were and are very good people: kind, hard-working, honest. I used those two denominations as examples because they have a reputation as being part of the more fundamentalist, intolerant strain in American Christianity, and they seemed appropriate for the point I was making. Was I also making an unfair assumption about the people in those churches? Yes, and for that I sincerely apologize; I really don’t assume all Christians are judgmental hypocrites or bigots.

            Sorry, just felt like I had to respond even though you retracted your comment; I’ve been taking this discussion a little too seriously. Peace.

        • Jadelupin

          Although I do not accept any form of Satanism in my life, I cannot condemn those who do practice it, as I believe that at least in America, all people have the right to freedom of and/or from religion. However, in reading your post, you have an angry, ignorant judgmental attitude yourself. How can you justify your faith while condemning others’ Your writings seem extremely asinine and hateful when it comes to Christians, and I’m a Jew!

          • Adam

            I never claimed to be a Satanist, nor did I ever express a faith of any kind; please read my comments a little more closely. Thank you.

          • Adam

            By the way, what comments of mine in particular reveal an angry, judgmental attitude?

            Damn, I really do need to have the last word, don’t I? :)

        • Jahopson Tx

          Bravo, Adam! By the way – “Magika” was a Dio cd wasn’t it? ; ) But Mr. Anti-Crowley probably believes Dio worshipped Satan too. The esoteric value of “Lucifer” is actually diametrically opposite of that of “Satan”. Albert Pike, another favorite boogeyman of fundamentalist christians, made it very clear, in his “Morals & Dogma, that the idea of Lucifer and that of Satan to be 2 different and opposing ideas, a notion that I concur with. The OT rantings of Isaiah regarding the fall of the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14: 12-15) are among the most distorted and removed from context verses in scripture.
          As for the “new” 10 commandments, some of his reccomendations are already incorporated in the old ten.

      • Mhonohan

        You most certainly have the fact correct. Unfortunately, you seem to think the Bible is based on reality. It is not.

        • Madpoet0

          My Ten Commandments have nothing to do with any bibles nor do I believe bibles to be anything more than fairy tales. I exploited a name you all know “The Ten Commandments” would this work have gotton more or less attention if it was the “four commandments or the thirteen commandments? Ten because I wrote ten, nothing more nothing less. Exploiting a common title was merely a good idea.

        • anti-crowley

          Are you attempting to elude to having some unknown source of evidence against the Bible? There are over 30,000 scholars around the world that would love to see it friend.

          • Tuna Ghost

            the word you’re thinking of is “allude”. I’m sure you missed that because you’re busy being a better person than us.

          • anti-crowley

            Ah yes Tuna Ghost, I have made a mistake and you have corrected it. Great name by the way, why do I imagine you in a trench coat getting ready to shoot a bunch of kids at your school because you hate your dad?

          • Tuna Ghost

            You’re so wrong.

            It’s because I want to fuck my mom, genius. With a crucifix. While I’m high on crack. That’s why I’m going to shoot a bunch of kids.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            Wow, Jim Morrison, Linda Blair, Richard Pryor and Barney the dinosaur together in one eeeeevil body.
            You’ll make a great addition to the Circle of the 6 Pale-face Satanists! Rock on….

          • GoodDoktorBad

            30000 scholors can each read 30000 books and we still have 30000 possible idiots. Correction, including you -30001 possible idiots.

          • anti-crowley

            Tuna Ghost…how about giving GoodDoktorBad a little lesson on the proper spelling of doctor.

            30001 possible idiots, or we can add up the 6 pale faced Satanists that are on this site, starting their own sinagogue and appointing themselves Rev. I think your mascara is running gooddoctorbad.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            Wow, I stand humiliated by that nonsense. Besides I haven’t worn mascara since the eighties -and when I did -I looked awsome….

          • Tuna Ghost

            hahaha funny you should say that. Isn’t it funny, Doktor?

          • GoodDoktorBad

            Welcome to the Circle of the 6 Pale Faced Satanists. Together, we can bask in the glory forever,,,
            Let’s put a hex on sumthin’
            Smooooooches!

      • Ben L.

        I’ve read extensively and carefully from the Bible. I can’t remember where the NT has anything to say against slavery. Can you tell me where to look? Thanks.

        • Zuse10

          Hello Ben, Here is your Answer… Do on to others as YOU will have others do on to you… The NT does not rewrite the OLD T, it is used together so, if its in the OLD T, you must obey that what is said…

          • Blackcat1018

            The NT does rewrite the OT. In the sense that Christ is supposed to create a new relationship between man and God, not continue the old Jewish tradition. This is spoken about heavily in the NT. If you statement was correct modern Christians would be expected to follow Mosaic law, which they do not. You can not have it both ways, understand that before you make a comment which such a bold statement. However you may want to read the new testament when it says, Ephesians 6:5-9: “Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.” OR Colossians 4:1: “Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.” there are many others. The NT says that slavery is acceptable, and only states that the master (owner) treats his servants/maids/slaves (all equal to forced labor or slavery) well.

        • Jahopson Tx

          Of course in the Old Terstament, Yahweh/Jehovah instituted slavery and advocated the beating of them even!! The OT is full of pro slavery material. BUT…Here are just a few NEW TESTAMENT indications that slavery was an accepted/condoned institution among Christians: Colossians 3:22-4:1, Ephesians 6:5-9, 1 Corinthians 7:20-24, Colossians 3:22-25, 1 Timothy 6:1-2, Also refer to the New Testament books of I Peter 2:18, Philemon, and Titus for more indications that slavery was accepted as commonplace among christians. JESUS on the topic, using a parable of slavery to illustrate a point: Luke 12:45-47. And if you think Jesus came to END all OT law, check this out: Matthew 5:17 – Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

      • Yours Truly.

        You christians.. Always taking things toooo literally. God is not proven either, by any stretch of the imagination. Lets say just because 70%, or even 100% of the world believes that jello can rain down from the skies at any moment, it doesn’t make it true or any more likely to happen. humans have made a little virtual world for themselves from what they think and want the world to be, instead of looking what it actually is. Believing in god souly on faith and an ancient outdated book written by man is equally absurd. The universe does not need religion, it is one of the most harmful and regressive institutions in our modern world today. I do believe it did have its place in ancient times, but those times are long gone. And people need to start waking up from this God conspiracy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NLNM6ME2Y4ZAQLETRPARLMGL5E Modemac

    There’s an online essay (and a really cool video) by noted atheist and scholar Christopher Hitchens, giving his own idea of what an essential Ten Commandments for today’s society might be like. He puts forth some interesting and positive suggestions, which I would certainly agree with. The article and video in question can be found here:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/04/hitchens-201004

    Still, upon reflection I do have one quibble with Hitchens’ article — and with your proposal for a new Ten Commandments: namely the fact that the article is written in a 20th and 21st century point if view, using modern ideals. I’m reminded of an argument put forward by Sam Harris in “The End of Faith,” namely the idea that the Bible, or even the Ten Commandments, is supposed to be authored by the Creator of the Universe, who is supposed to be omniscient and aware of all events that would ever happen in the future until the end of the world. If this Creator really knew all about the future, then surely the Ten Commandments — his supreme word on how all of Humanity are supposed to live their lives — would include suggestions that might seem alien and strange to people of the Bronze Age (or whenever the Exodus from Egypt occurred), but would certainly become apparently and even obvious as history proceeded over the next several thousand years. While Harris gives an obvious example of a prophecy that probably should have been in the Bible (“there will be a worldwide network of computers, and it shall be called the Internet”), I’ve sometimes pondered what advice the Creator of the Universe *should* have laid down, if and when he gave Moses the Ten Commandments. If it was written in the style of the Biblical authors of that day, and yet it suggested things that we now know to be common sense, then I might be more inclined to believe that the Bible really is the true Word of God.

    For example –

    The question of slavery is an obvious one, and it’s one of the biggest fallacies given in the Bible. There are many passages in there that describe the proper treatment of slaves; even though we now know slavery to be one of the worst crimes committed by human beings against their fellow human beings. Imagine how Christianity, or society in general, might have developed if God had stated in the Ten Commandments: “THOU SHALT NOT KEEP THY NEIGHBOR AS A SLAVE, FOR IT ANGERS THE LORD THY GOD TO SEE A MAN WITH LESSER STATUS THAN OTHER MEN.” A commandment like this would have caused serious harm to the slave trade, or even ended it entirely…*if* it had been made public and not suppressed.

    Or, on the other hand, what if there was a commandment that said, “KEEP THY BODY CLEAN AND FREE OF PESTILENCE, AND KEEP THY FOOD CLEAN AND OFF THE GROUND.” In the time the Ten Commandments were supposedly written — maybe about one or two thousand years B.C. — a commandment like this would no doubt have made the Hebrews scratch their heads in confusion. “Why are we supposed to keep our food clean and off of the ground? Oh well, God tells us to do so, so we’d better do it.” And then, nearly three or four thousand years later, the discovery of bacteria and viruses (and the subsequent development of modern medications and vaccines) made it abundantly clear that personal hygiene regarding both our bodies, and the food we eat, are essential to prevent the onset of disease and pestilence. A commandment like that would have been a great sign that the Ten Commandments really did come from the Creator of the Universe, who knew what Mankind’s future would be like.

    Even so, consider how civilization might have developed if there had been a commandment along these lines: “SEEK OUT AND DISCOVER THAT WHICH IS UNKNOWN, IN THE WIDE WORLD AND IN THY OWN MIND, FOR I THE LORD THY GOD HATH MUCH TO SHOW THEE THAT THOU KNOWEST NOT.” Instead of simply pointing at the Bible and saying, “This book has ALL the answers, and all those new discoveries like astronomy and evolution are blasphemies,” the Church might then have embraced new learning and science, and the Dark Ages might never would have held Europe under their thrall for a thousand years. Who knows…if a commandment like this existed back in the days of Nebuchadnezzar, Moses, or David, then civilization would have developed along a very different path.

    But instead, we have a group of Ten Commandments in which the author (God) spends nearly half of its length saying, “Worship me and don’t anger me.” Only after laying down four commandments that essentially say the same thing (“Worship me, damn you!”) does God finally get down to giving useful advice that people might want to consider listening to and following. As a set of rules laid down by the Creator of the Universe for every single human being to follow, the Ten Commandments as we know them have a lot of wasted space…and, unfortunately, even greater wasted potential.

  • Shleckra

    11. People who can’t be sociable, don’t belong in society.

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      #9 ” If you cannot gaze upon the masses with civility then lower your gaze.”

    • anti-crowley

      Does that include the Autistic? What about people that are just shy?

  • Shleckra

    11. People who can’t be sociable, don’t belong in society.

  • WhiteRose

    More rules sigh… how about just trying NOT to SUCK. Can anybody actually do their job these days?

  • WhiteRose

    More rules sigh… how about just trying NOT to SUCK. Can anybody actually do their job these days?

  • http://twitter.com/AnitaCigarette Anita Cigarette.

    Yeah I noticed the last new commandment is one of Aleister Crowley’s rules. “Do what thou will & harm none, shall be the whole of the law.”

  • torj93

    Those rules are about as Thelemic as a Kathy strip.

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      Those rules are not Thelemic nor is Kathy Strip.
      OK #10 is partially Thelemic which is understandable since I’m partially Thelemic.

  • torj93

    Those rules are about as Thelemic as a Kathy strip.

  • nemoide

    “Do what thou wilt shall be the *WHOLE* of the Law.”

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      “Love is the law, love under will”

  • Anonymous

    “Do what thou wilt shall be the *WHOLE* of the Law.”

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    WhiteRose
    More rules sigh… how about just trying NOT to SUCK. Can anybody actually do their job these days?

    That is covered by rule #1 “If you cannot respect the rights of others than you yourself shall be denied your rights.”

    • muldunes

      What outside of your internet facade have you done with your life I wonder? Besides drugs that is. You are a carbon copy of every other drug abusing youth who hates their parents. Boy, lets run to you for life advice.

      • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

        You more than anyone else that has posted so far have exposed yourself as the best reason to have these ten commandments.

        • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

          yeah I NEED them… people should dictate their own lives… or not

          expose myself? I did no such thing, I’ve been completely clothed this whole time

        • anti-crowley

          Of course, that tends to be the reaction to someone who disagrees with you. That is why I am glad that smarter men than you wrote my right to free speech and freedom of religion into our current constitution. Which by the way allows you to write this post and be a Satanist. Your “original” ideas achieve nothing but restricting freedom of religion. Which if you were honest, you would admit was the real inspiration for your work.

          • Madpoet0

            Honestly you are clueless.

      • http://www.facebook.com/winterisoverrated Fabian_Ramos

        Muldunes,
        chill.

    • Itmgisd1

      Happened on this site by accident today. Reading everyone’s posts has reaffirmed the belief that our species needs to be and most likely will soon be purged.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    That is covered by rule #1 “If you cannot respect the rights of others than you yourself shall be denied your rights.”

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Hardly PC, well maybe if this was communist Russia.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    #9 ” If you cannot gaze upon the masses with civility then lower your gaze.”

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Only if it is your will to do so. As far as fix the world, I wasn’t aware it was broken, fault lines are natural.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Harm none? that isn’t Crowley that is Wicca.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    “Love is the law, love under will”

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Those rules are not Thelemic nor is Kathy Strip.
    OK #10 is partially Thelemic which is understandable since I’m partially Thelemic.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    I’m surprised #8 didn’t catch your eye. Especially you being an Atheist.

  • http://twitter.com/AnitaCigarette Anita Cigarette.

    It’s both. Aleister Crowley taught Wicca & one of the rules in his books was the Wiccan Reed. It is also the law of Satanism.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    It is not the law of Satanism and Crowley helped Gerald Gardner write his form of Wicca which is not all forms of Wicca. As far as Satanism, there are many sects and no one law applies to all of them.
    My Satanism is at http://www.sosatan.org and you’ll see that is not our law.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3GO4IVFP7YIQS4KPIPJSVQBFF4 Andy

    7/10. I disagree with number 3. Parents are responsible for their children at all times. Number 4: some people are a burden to society, but we have to shoulder that burdren. And I don’t understand the last one.

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      You didn’t understand #3 either I put no time limit on the responsibility of parenting.

      • anti-crowley

        Even if they are 14 years old? Because that is what happens when you preach the sexual freedom of Crowley.

        • Madpoet0

          Save that for Catholic clergy.

          • anti-crowley

            You won’t catch me defending the Vatican brother!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3GO4IVFP7YIQS4KPIPJSVQBFF4 Andy

    7/10. I disagree with number 3. Parents are responsible for their children at all times. Number 4: some people are a burden to society, but we have to shoulder that burdren. And I don’t understand the last one.

  • Muldunes

    That’s probably because you don’t stray far from home, or watch the news, or talk to people who have done either of those. Global economy about to collapse, mass unrest in the Middle East, Genocide disease and starvation throughout Africa. The Crowley movement died in the 80′s, just because its new to some ignorant youth doesn’t mean it’s going to work this time-a-round.

  • Michael’s first beer

    If you were not aware that it was broken then what is the point of this article. You have an adolescent, simplistic view of the world. I suggest you get over your Emo phase, stop dressing like a vampire and start partaking in productive adult activities. Perhaps get involved in politics (lol) I laugh only because all you will ever do with your life is post ignorance on the internet. Thanks for the laugh, hope Marylin Manson gives you successful life advice.

  • muldunes

    What outside of your internet facade have you done with your life I wonder? Besides drugs that is. You are a carbon copy of every other drug abusing youth who hates their parents. Boy, lets run to you for life advice.

  • Mo

    Hmm…

    What of the compromised harmony between man and nature?

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      Bit of a stretch but that would be covered by #3 Care takers of the children and planet.

      • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

        too broad, still too much emphasis on the ego and not enough about the collective whole

        This reeks of crowley and he was hardly a shining example of how to live one’s life.

        • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

          The only Crowley is at the end of # 10 and trying to pull the good old “Look over here!” slight of hand trick is another very old control tactic. You and Muldunes really need to brush up on your manipulation techniques as the world can see you both suck at it and you have exposed yourselves before your peers as the people that really need these ten commandments

          • anti-crowley

            your trying to pull the old “don’t pay any attention to the last commandment that I think should be forced on the entire human race” You are right, my manipulation techniques are primitive and out of practice…yours seem to be oiled and up to date.

  • Mo

    Hmm…

    What of the compromised harmony between man and nature?

  • mo

    Yeah this revolves too much around the ego rather than the general well being of mankind and the universe and I would never subscribe to yet another set of doctrines outlined by man.

    Who decides that one man or group dictates our behaviour? What if it is my will to disregard all that has been said?

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      See rule #5

  • mo

    Yeah this revolves too much around the ego rather than the general well being of mankind and the universe and I would never subscribe to yet another set of doctrines outlined by man.

    Who decides that one man or group dictates our behaviour? What if it is my will to disregard all that has been said?

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

    #10 is useless, it pretty much says, “rule 10, make sure you obey all the rules” ahhhh no shit

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      Yeah when I wrote rule # 1 I thought that was gonna be it but then about an hour later #2 came and so on like that. At about #7 I got the idea how to end it with #10 and Crowley’s Law.

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    #10 is useless, it pretty much says, “rule 10, make sure you obey all the rules” ahhhh no shit

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C5SV3Y6GG7GRK3NBX64IXAXDGM Jessica Hurst

    Oh people who think any pagan opinions are automatically those of ignorant teenagers…up yours. I thought this was a very reasonable decalogue, adaptable to the lifestyle and faith systems of many different people. Just because you don’t think you have anything in common with the OP doesn’t mean you should ignore him.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C5SV3Y6GG7GRK3NBX64IXAXDGM Jessica Hurst

    Oh people who think any pagan opinions are automatically those of ignorant teenagers…up yours. I thought this was a very reasonable decalogue, adaptable to the lifestyle and faith systems of many different people. Just because you don’t think you have anything in common with the OP doesn’t mean you should ignore him.

  • jp

    What if my will is to break rules? Not trying to be a dick, just saying…

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      See rule #5

      • jp

        but do what thou wilt is the WHOLE of the law. if it were my will to violate someone’s rights, then by extension my own rights would be violated by respecting the whole of the cooperative. foregoing one’s true will for the greater good is the antithesis of #10.

        perhaps an amendment to #5 “When your religion, belief, ideology or personal opinion justifies violating the rights of others, just try to be nice while doing so.” :)

        • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

          You’re forgetting “If you give em an inch they’ll take a mile.” thus don’t ask assholes to be nice just ask them to behave themselves or go away.

          • anti-crowley

            Asshole defined: Any person or persons who in part or wholey disagree with the opinion of “Rev.” Michael S. Margolin’s beliefs. By the way you Co-founded Sinagogue of Satan then appointed yourself Rev am I correct?

          • Madpoet0

            No, just you and people like you.

          • anti-crowley

            Asshole defined: Any person who in part or wholly disagree with the opinion of Margolin’s beliefs AND use free speech to voice it.

            There sorry I forgot to mention the crime of free speech in there.

          • Madpoet0

            You are making the same mistake Fred Phelps and folks make.
            Harassment and freedom of speech are two different things.
            You harass people under the guise of Freedom of speech just like Phelps and friends.

          • Madpoet0

            You don’t use freedom of speech you abuse it and then you hide behind it when you are called to the mat for your abuses.

  • jp

    What if my will is to break rules? Not trying to be a dick, just saying…

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Yeah when I wrote rule # 1 I thought that was gonna be it but then about an hour later #2 came and so on like that. At about #7 I got the idea how to end it with #10 and Crowley’s Law.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    See rule #5

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    See rule #5

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Bit of a stretch but that would be covered by #3 Care takers of the children and planet.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    See rule # 9 and if you can stop being such a control freak you might be able to take a shit this month.
    O for the record criticisms like yours are a very old control mechanism get something new you’re boring.

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    too broad, still too much emphasis on the ego and not enough about the collective whole

    This reeks of crowley and he was hardly a shining example of how to live one’s life.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    You more than anyone else that has posted so far have exposed yourself as the best reason to have these ten commandments.

  • ArgosyJones

    I guess that was narrow minded of me. It’s a mishmash of all kinds of twaddle, not just PC twaddle.

    Sorry bout that.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    The only Crowley is at the end of # 10 and trying to pull the good old “Look over here!” slight of hand trick is another very old control tactic. You and Muldunes really need to brush up on your manipulation techniques as the world can see you both suck at it and you have exposed yourselves before your peers as the people that really need these ten commandments

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    No problem, we all have opinions and like assholes most of them stink.

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    yeah I NEED them… people should dictate their own lives… or not

    expose myself? I did no such thing, I’ve been completely clothed this whole time

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    thats why I bathe

  • pedantic arsehole

    Re: number one. do you forgo all rights when you do not respect the rights of others? what are those prescribed rights? also, the phrase, “if you cannot respect the rights of others” is very vague. i could have no respect for people’s rights, but not violate those rights. does that mean that i shall be denied my rights? and if you deny me my rights because i didn’t respect someone else’s rights, does that mean that you have not respected my rights and therefore are not deserving of rights?

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      When you are arrested know you’ve violated #1
      If you are beaten up there is a good chance you violated #1
      If you abide by #1 there is a very good chance you’ll never see an arrest or suffer a beating.

      • pedantic arsehole

        what?

        you can violate rights without being arrested. and you still havn’t stated what the rights are. who sets out the rights and what do they consist of? are they confined to liberty, justice, freedom and autonomy, or do they extend to civl rights like equality, freedom of speech and expression and religion. are they just natural law rights, or are they based on another form of moral thinking?
        also, if you have been beaten up surely you have suffered at the hands of someone who has violated number 1, and not violated it yourself. unless you are saying that if you violate number one you deserve to get beaten up.

        saying “respect people’s rights” is a very ambiguous commandment that will require many more subsequent visits in order to ensure that it not based solely on the subjective influences of one group of people.

        • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

          There are always going to be people who try and dictate how other people run their lives, whether its religion or politics.

          • pedantic arsehole

            that isn’t always a bad thing though.

            government is there to balance the rights and needs of individuals and the whole of society.

            complete freedom and autonomy for everyone would not be a very desirable thing. for each individual it mighth be quite ok, but only with regard to the things that they want. at a societal level it would be absolutely chaotic.

          • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

            It all depends on cooperation, the more cooperation the better standard of living.
            So in a big way it gives us all something to work for besides our own petty wants and desires.
            It makes us a community instead of an angry group of people that live to close to each other.
            I’m not saying New York is not a community but I will say it’s standard of living is lower than that of the
            San Fransisco Bay Area.

          • Common Sense

            You’re under the assumption that people don’t prey on the weak minded followers (or those very willing to cooperate) and use tactics of fear, hate and prejudice to manipulate a population. Anarchy will have a greater chance of leading to chaos and tyranny. I don’t agree with most governments as there’s always corruption, but look at someone like Hitler for example.

          • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

            That is why rules like these are important, they neuter the bullies. And as you have seen they are already working.

          • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

            one would argue they also empower bullies

          • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

            That could be argued but to no avail because of #1

          • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

            You’re missing the point, regardless of what tools we have it is up to us to determine how our lives are dictated. It can even be as simple as pleasure and pain.

            Freedom is NOT dictating to others how their lives should be run. Rules are for children who know no better.

          • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

            Or for adults that think they are more important than anyone else.

          • anti-crowley

            You mean adults with the mid-brain response of self-preservation. If we could just eliminate that part of human nature…but how? Oh, by declaring them enemies of the cooperative!

          • Madpoet0

            Bullying people into accepting your view of the world is self-preservation?
            You are a perfect example of the type of people this world does not need.
            You’re also an excellent example of the type of person that needs my 10 commandments.

          • anti-crowley

            “or for adults that think they are more important than anyone else.”

            Is that what you are calling a bully? Not a very good quality I agree, but that does not make them an enemy of the cooperative.

            I am an example of someone who believes in the RIGHT to free speech and Right of religious freedom. Which if according to your commandments we keep, would make you someone who is trying to offend those rights. That would make you an enemy to your own commandments. But I am sure you see yourself as the ruler over all of this and able to decide that free speech and religion are not rights under the tyrannical rule you are trying to sell. The kind of rule that benefits only those who agree with you and punishes those who disagree.

          • Madpoet0

            you are clueless but at least your are a shining example to others what not to be like.

          • Madpoet0

            You don’t use freedom of speech, you EXPLOIT IT!
            You HARASS people under the guise of FREEDOM of SPEECH!
            It’s actions like these that threaten our constitution, not rules that ask us to respect each others right to live un-harassed. When this point is exposed to the general public enough the Supreme Court will reverse its ruling on Fred Phelps & Co.

          • Guest

            “An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.”

            Example: The American Justice System.

          • Madpoet0

            And turning the other cheek gets your head cut off.

          • Madpoet0

            And turning the other cheek gets your head cut off.

        • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

          Wow I thought that common sense would clearly dictate to you what your rights are.
          Since for some reason or another that neuron is miss firing I’ll explain the obvious for you.
          “Man has the right to live and die as he or she will.”
          That’s it, you have no more rights than that.
          Keep in mind that everyone around you has this same right, violate theirs expect to lose yours.

          • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

            What defines common sense? Once again, very vague. Miss Firing? I’d say you were Miss Informed :)

            (just in case, its ‘misfiring’)

          • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

            thanks eh! at 48 my neurons are a tad rusty too.

          • pedantic arsehole

            ok, so according to you, the only right man has is to live and die as they choose?

            that is singularly the most stupid thing i have ever heard. what do you base that statement on?

            it is clear that your first commandment is based on the solely subjective views, which is not what rights should be based on at all. that is just, as you say, “common sense”.

          • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

            I did not write a “Ten Rights”
            I wrote a “Ten Commandments”
            And think what you will the only real rights you have are to live and die as you will.
            Yes suicide should be legal.

          • pedantic arsehole

            i know it was ten commandments, but i was showing the flaws of your very first one.

            your commandments are subjective. they are what you think the world should be run as, not what the world should actually be run as.

            i agree that autonomy is very imporant, but you are forgetting to take into consider the needs of society as a whole. you cannot expect everyone to be act in the best interests of society all the time, otherwise you wouldn’t need the commandments.

            also, suicide is legal. (suicide act 1961).

          • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

            In America it is not legal and that is where I am, apparently you are in the United Kingdom.
            “you cannot expect everyone to be act in the best interests of society all the time, otherwise you wouldn’t need the commandments.”
            As you can see I don’t expect everyone to behave, thus I offer up to this world these 10 commandments where by if applied may very well make this a better society for us all.

          • pedantic arsehole

            suicide is very much legal in America.

            even assisted suicide is legal in at least one State (Oregon).

            please do a bit of research before you make unfounded claims.

            your commandments are poor, your arguments in support of them are ever poorer.

            your views are one sided, unbalanced and subjective.

            i applaud your attempt to create a set of rule for the benefit of mankind. however, i do not think they could be successfully applied, mostly due to their obscure and vague nature. if you made them up yourself you can always try again.

            if you copied them from someone, or based them on the thinking of one person, or group, i would suggest you find new inspiration.

          • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

            Suicide is not legal in all states.
            You accuse me of what you yourself are guilty of.

          • Guest

            Wow, I really didn’t think I would have to ask this question, but if suicide is, in fact, illegal, then if someone were to commit suicide, how would one seek to enforce the law onto a dead citizen?

          • Eric Sicknessness

            The law states that if a person commits suicide, their body must be stripped and dragged around town by a guy on a horse until everyone had had a good chance to throw rocks at the body. They may not be buried on sacred grounds.

          • anti-crowley

            Got it, now lets hear your opinion on when one’s life begins.

          • anti-crowley

            You thought that rights were common sense? Funny, that has been a dispute for the entirety of recorded history. Figured you would have hear about it. There are several Supreme Court justices that would love to hear your comprehensive and final answer on the issue.

      • James Greywolf

        There are those who are beaten who did not violate #1… but, in fact, the beaters were the violators and the assaulted were innocent bystanders.

        • Madpoet0

          Yeah those old Ten Commandments didn’t work to well did they?

          • anti-crowley

            Thought you weren’t comparing your new proposal to replace the old commandments (according to your previous post). Your own argument that your commandments only work if everyone follows them applies to the original 10 commandments as well, if EVERYONE followed those things would be find as well.

        • Madpoet0

          GreyWolf if you’re referring to the slaughter of the Native Americans those good Christians didn’t have my Ten Commandments they had Manifest Destiny instead which resulted in where we are now.
          Not saying my Ten Commandments would have made a difference but who knows.

          • anti-crowley

            again with the comparison against Christianity, thought you were not attacking Christians?

          • Madpoet0

            Stating the facts of history is not an attack on Christians, but it does expose you and yours for the hypocrites you are.

          • anti-crowley

            Actually it is an attack because you are selective in what you present, and they are not “facts” just because you call them facts, even if your circle of satanists agree with you madpoet0. Shall we discuss the murderous history of Pagans? How about the Occult?

          • anti-crowley

            I do, they wouldn’t have.

    • Common Sense

      The definition of “Respect” is both a noun, verb, and idiom. One of the many definitions is to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with. So if you need it spoon fed to you- If you feel the need to violate someone’s basic personal human rights, then your rights should be denied. It’s a balance. If you take from someone, it will be taken from you.

      You knew very well what this meant as you’re clearly not an entire idiot here. The point these Pagan’s are trying to make is that the basic Christian commandments everyone “supposedly” follows leaves holes and gaps that allow for hate, fear and prejudice. They made a new set that applied to their religious group, and hopefully in turn would apply to the lives of non-pagan’s alike.

      Stop being a troll.

      • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

        10 commandments are Jewish in origin not Christian. But your point stands.

      • pedantic arsehole

        yes, it is all well and good to say “do not violate other people’s rights.” that is perfectly fine. that statement is correct. i do not have a problem with that statement. my problem is that no rights have been prescribed. you cannot leave creating rights to “common sense” because not everyone has the same idea about what rights should be protected.
        for example, you may think that it is common sense to protect the right to hold property, whereas someone else may think that you should not hold exclusive property rights. someone might think that freedom of speech is important, whereas someone else may think that the individuals and the press have an obligation not to offend or reveal sensitive information. a case in point here would be the US Government’s problem with the WIkileaks releases.
        what i am saying is that, yes, saying that everyone should respect rights is correct. it is fine. it is a desirable end. my problem lies with the vague and obscure nature of the rights. none have been prescribed and as such the first “commandment” lacks substance, and therefore will be ineffective. there would be a requirement to prescribe SPECIFIC rights, which would no doubt be subjective and biased in favour of one way of thinking or moral outlook.

        and i won’t even go into the problems with the statement “if you violate another person’s rights you will be denied yours”.

      • GoodDoktorBad

        Actually, the definition of respect is to “look again”. “re” – again “spect” -to look, to see, to witness
        The modern meanings are much more diverse of course, but they branch off from this basic concept.

        respect (n.)
        c.1300, from L. respectus “regard,” lit. “act of looking back at one,” pp. of respicere “look back at, regard, consider,” from re- “back” + specere “look at” (see scope (1)). The verb is 1540s, from the noun. Meaning “treat with deferential regard or esteem” is from 1550s.

        http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=respect

  • pedantic arsehole

    Re: number one. do you forgo all rights when you do not respect the rights of others? what are those prescribed rights? also, the phrase, “if you cannot respect the rights of others” is very vague. i could have no respect for people’s rights, but not violate those rights. does that mean that i shall be denied my rights? and if you deny me my rights because i didn’t respect someone else’s rights, does that mean that you have not respected my rights and therefore are not deserving of rights?

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    When you are arrested know you’ve violated #1
    If you are beaten up there is a good chance you violated #1
    If you abide by #1 there is a very good chance you’ll never see an arrest or suffer a beating.

  • http://www.facebook.com/winterisoverrated Fabian_Ramos

    Muldunes,
    chill.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    You didn’t understand #3 either I put no time limit on the responsibility of parenting.

  • pedantic arsehole

    what?

    you can violate rights without being arrested. and you still havn’t stated what the rights are. who sets out the rights and what do they consist of? are they confined to liberty, justice, freedom and autonomy, or do they extend to civl rights like equality, freedom of speech and expression and religion. are they just natural law rights, or are they based on another form of moral thinking?
    also, if you have been beaten up surely you have suffered at the hands of someone who has violated number 1, and not violated it yourself. unless you are saying that if you violate number one you deserve to get beaten up.

    saying “respect people’s rights” is a very ambiguous commandment that will require many more subsequent visits in order to ensure that it not based solely on the subjective influences of one group of people.

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    There are always going to be people who try and dictate how other people run their lives, whether its religion or politics.

  • pedantic arsehole

    that isn’t always a bad thing though.

    government is there to balance the rights and needs of individuals and the whole of society.

    complete freedom and autonomy for everyone would not be a very desirable thing. for each individual it mighth be quite ok, but only with regard to the things that they want. at a societal level it would be absolutely chaotic.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Wow I thought that common sense would clearly dictate to you what your rights are.
    Since for some reason or another that neuron is miss firing I’ll explain the obvious for you.
    “Man has the right to live and die as he or she will.”
    That’s it, you have no more rights than that.
    Keep in mind that everyone around you has this same right, violate theirs expect to lose yours.

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    What defines common sense? Once again, very vague. Miss Firing? I’d say you were Miss Informed :)

    (just in case, its ‘misfiring’)

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    That is why rules like these are important, they neuter the bullies. And as you have seen they are already working.

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    one would argue they also empower bullies

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    It all depends on cooperation, the more cooperation the better standard of living.
    So in a big way it gives us all something to work for besides our own petty wants and desires.
    It makes us a community instead of an angry group of people that live to close to each other.
    I’m not saying New York is not a community but I will say it’s standard of living is lower than that of the
    San Fransisco Bay Area.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    thanks eh! at 48 my neurons are a tad rusty too.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    That could be argued but to no avail because of #1

  • pedantic arsehole

    ok, so according to you, the only right man has is to live and die as they choose?

    that is singularly the most stupid thing i have ever heard. what do you base that statement on?

    it is clear that your first commandment is based on the solely subjective views, which is not what rights should be based on at all. that is just, as you say, “common sense”.

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    You’re missing the point, regardless of what tools we have it is up to us to determine how our lives are dictated. It can even be as simple as pleasure and pain.

    Freedom is NOT dictating to others how their lives should be run. Rules are for children who know no better.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    I did not write a “Ten Rights”
    I wrote a “Ten Commandments”
    And think what you will the only real rights you have are to live and die as you will.
    Yes suicide should be legal.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Or for adults that think they are more important than anyone else.

  • pedantic arsehole

    i know it was ten commandments, but i was showing the flaws of your very first one.

    your commandments are subjective. they are what you think the world should be run as, not what the world should actually be run as.

    i agree that autonomy is very imporant, but you are forgetting to take into consider the needs of society as a whole. you cannot expect everyone to be act in the best interests of society all the time, otherwise you wouldn’t need the commandments.

    also, suicide is legal. (suicide act 1961).

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    In America it is not legal and that is where I am, apparently you are in the United Kingdom.
    “you cannot expect everyone to be act in the best interests of society all the time, otherwise you wouldn’t need the commandments.”
    As you can see I don’t expect everyone to behave, thus I offer up to this world these 10 commandments where by if applied may very well make this a better society for us all.

  • mrtastycakes

    Why make up ten new ones? Five is enough. I think everyone can agree that at least the second half of the originals got it right. Unless we’re going with the “History of the World: Part 1″ theory.

    • mrtastycakes

      Not sure why I attached that.

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      It’s funny I didn’t set out to write a “Ten Commandments”.
      I wrote # 1 down because I liked it. But about an hour later # 2 came and so on.
      The only planing came around # 7 when I had the idea to end it with Crowley’s law at # 10.
      I still feel #1 covers everything but I like the other nine.

      • anti-crowley

        you are right, it is funny.

  • mrtastycakes

    Why make up ten new ones? Five is enough. I think everyone can agree that at least the second half of the originals got it right. Unless we’re going with the “History of the World: Part 1″ theory.

  • mrtastycakes

    Not sure why I attached that.

  • pedantic arsehole

    suicide is very much legal in America.

    even assisted suicide is legal in at least one State (Oregon).

    please do a bit of research before you make unfounded claims.

    your commandments are poor, your arguments in support of them are ever poorer.

    your views are one sided, unbalanced and subjective.

    i applaud your attempt to create a set of rule for the benefit of mankind. however, i do not think they could be successfully applied, mostly due to their obscure and vague nature. if you made them up yourself you can always try again.

    if you copied them from someone, or based them on the thinking of one person, or group, i would suggest you find new inspiration.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    It’s funny I didn’t set out to write a “Ten Commandments”.
    I wrote # 1 down because I liked it. But about an hour later # 2 came and so on.
    The only planing came around # 7 when I had the idea to end it with Crowley’s law at # 10.
    I still feel #1 covers everything but I like the other nine.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Suicide is not legal in all states.
    You accuse me of what you yourself are guilty of.

  • jp

    but do what thou wilt is the WHOLE of the law. if it were my will to violate someone’s rights, then by extension my own rights would be violated by respecting the whole of the cooperative. foregoing one’s true will for the greater good is the antithesis of #10.

    perhaps an amendment to #5 “When your religion, belief, ideology or personal opinion justifies violating the rights of others, just try to be nice while doing so.” :)

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

    #2 “Shun all forms of social status and classes, these are mere illusions that attempt to justify ignoring the needs of society.”

    I’d imagine a high level of social status would be required to have enough sway to implement these rules.

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      No, just cooperation and that would achieve a high standard of living for us all.

      • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

        Just like communism (and democracy), it only works in theory.

        • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

          Yes! and the enemy of both is a lack of cooperation.
          The incentive to cooperate is improving and maintaining a high standard of living for us all.
          Even rich people don’t like their houses broken into or being mugged during a night out on the town.
          Hell, Catholic Priests may stop molesting children when they are faced with the fact that children have a right not to be molested.

          • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

            So you’re saying that currently, priests aren’t aware that molesting children is a violation of their rights? I thought we made that abundantly clear. My parents would not have sent me to catholic school if that were the case (something I still wish they didn’t do but I’m Italian, it comes with the genes).

          • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

            Nope, they are stuck in that old commandment “Honor thy Father and Thy Mother”
            Why do you think they took the titles of Father and Mother Superior?

      • anti-crowley

        No, just cooperation with your opinions…correct?

        • Madpoet0

          No, cooperation in an effort to make society more like what Jesus wanted.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    You’re forgetting “If you give em an inch they’ll take a mile.” thus don’t ask assholes to be nice just ask them to behave themselves or go away.

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    #2 “Shun all forms of social status and classes, these are mere illusions that attempt to justify ignoring the needs of society.”

    I’d imagine a high level of social status would be required to have enough sway to implement these rules.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    No, just cooperation and that would achieve a high standard of living for us all.

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    Just like communism (and democracy), it only works in theory.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Yes! and the enemy of both is a lack of cooperation.
    The incentive to cooperate is improving and maintaining a high standard of living for us all.
    Even rich people don’t like their houses broken into or being mugged during a night out on the town.
    Hell, Catholic Priests may stop molesting children when they are faced with the fact that children have a right not to be molested.

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    So you’re saying that currently, priests aren’t aware that molesting children is a violation of their rights? I thought we made that abundantly clear. My parents would not have sent me to catholic school if that were the case (something I still wish they didn’t do but I’m Italian, it comes with the genes).

  • Happy Black Guy

    So mindless it hurts.

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      Good

  • Happy Black Guy

    So mindless it hurts.

  • Internette

    I’d repost but I have a major problem with people who don’t know the difference between “then” and “than.” (#1)

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      Hey thanks the editors missed that too.

    • guest22

      i had the exact same thot…

      • http://twitter.com/cypherpunks01 cypherpunks01

        I don’t think a person who can’t spell “thought” correctly should be saying anything about another person’s spelling….

  • Internette

    I’d repost but I have a major problem with people who don’t know the difference between “then” and “than.” (#1)

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Hey thanks the editors missed that too.

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Good

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Nope, they are stuck in that old commandment “Honor thy Father and Thy Mother”
    Why do you think they took the titles of Father and Mother Superior?

  • MikeK

    Do you realize that Moses comes down from the hill and says, “don’t murder and don’t worship other gods” and the first thing everyone does is murder the people worshiping the golden calf?

    • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

      Yeah, probably the forefathers of some the people posting here.

      • http://twitter.com/Zordabo ZordaboM

        So what is that supposed to mean?

  • MikeK

    Do you realize that Moses comes down from the hill and says, “don’t murder and don’t worship other gods” and the first thing everyone does is murder the people worshiping the golden calf?

  • http://twitter.com/BaphometRex666 Michael S. Margolin

    Yeah, probably the forefathers of some the people posting here.

  • Marciadeville

    I am highly suspicious of anyone or any group who need to structure “commandments”. This does not mean that I am against certains of the “proposed” ideas. However, I have my own set of values made by me for myself and taking into account the world (people included , ;) ).
    Seems to me that some people have the need to have others do as they think. I don’t. And therefore cannot apply someone else’s ideas into my life unless that idea correspond to something already present in mines. Many do this for lack of personal thoughts, with good results or bad ones, However, this does not compute with me. I will pitch in a thought; to me, we are all of us “gods” (I can explain my own concepts but this is not the place and time), that makes us equal in my eyes, nobody is above anybody. And being such we are just Human brothers and sisters and that’s already something special that deserve attention and respect. Throw in the mix, Love as a positive element and that sounds already like some positive active line of conduct. Anyone is free to be in agreement with this within their own lives…Of course,this will always be well perceived by many…I do!
    BUT NOT ALL!!!!

  • Marciadeville

    I am highly suspicious of anyone or any group who need to structure “commandments”. This does not mean that I am against certains of the “proposed” ideas. However, I have my own set of values made by me for myself and taking into account the world (people included , ;) ).
    Seems to me that some people have the need to have others do as they think. I don’t. And therefore cannot apply someone else’s ideas into my life unless that idea correspond to something already present in mines. Many do this for lack of personal thoughts, with good results or bad ones, However, this does not compute with me. I will pitch in a thought; to me, we are all of us “gods” (I can explain my own concepts but this is not the place and time), that makes us equal in my eyes, nobody is above anybody. And being such we are just Human brothers and sisters and that’s already something special that deserve attention and respect. Throw in the mix, Love as a positive element and that sounds already like some positive active line of conduct. Anyone is free to be in agreement with this within their own lives…Of course,this will always be well perceived by many…I do!
    BUT NOT ALL!!!!

  • Marciadeville

    I am highly suspicious of anyone or any group who need to structure “commandments”. This does not mean that I am against certains of the “proposed” ideas. However, I have my own set of values made by me for myself and taking into account the world (people included , ;) ).
    Seems to me that some people have the need to have others do as they think. I don’t. And therefore cannot apply someone else’s ideas into my life unless that idea correspond to something already present in mines. Many do this for lack of personal thoughts, with good results or bad ones, However, this does not compute with me. I will pitch in a thought; to me, we are all of us “gods” (I can explain my own concepts but this is not the place and time), that makes us equal in my eyes, nobody is above anybody. And being such we are just Human brothers and sisters and that’s already something special that deserve attention and respect. Throw in the mix, Love as a positive element and that sounds already like some positive active line of conduct. Anyone is free to be in agreement with this within their own lives…Of course,this will always be well perceived by many…I do!
    BUT NOT ALL!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    So what is that supposed to mean?

  • guest22

    i had the exact same thot…

  • Common Sense

    The definition of “Respect” is both a noun, verb, and idiom. One of the many definitions is to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with. So if you need it spoon fed to you- If you feel the need to violate someone’s basic personal human rights, then your rights should be denied. It’s a balance. If you take from someone, it will be taken from you.

    You knew very well what this meant as you’re clearly not an entire idiot here. The point these Pagan’s are trying to make is that the basic Christian commandments everyone “supposedly” follows leaves holes and gaps that allow for hate, fear and prejudice. They made a new set that applied to their religious group, and hopefully in turn would apply to the lives of non-pagan’s alike.

    Stop being a troll.

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    10 commandments are Jewish in origin not Christian. But your point stands.

  • Common Sense

    You’re under the assumption that people don’t prey on the weak minded followers (or those very willing to cooperate) and use tactics of fear, hate and prejudice to manipulate a population. Anarchy will have a greater chance of leading to chaos and tyranny. I don’t agree with most governments as there’s always corruption, but look at someone like Hitler for example.

  • Common Sense

    You’re looking at it wrong. Poverty is a burden to society because it exists through selfishness. Those that are poor are not the burden, they are the ones carrying the burden. Do you see the difference? It’s actually stating those that enable poverty are the burden to society. For example: a filthy rich person who steals from the poor.

  • Paul Panza (who are you)

    What god?

    • Artor

      Us god, that’s what!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EMLFKLALZHF7EBYUQXHUHQOATQ Tony

        Please Artor espouse some more of your wisdom. You are so wise. More, more. lol

    • Madpoet0

      What Artor said.

  • Paul Panza (who are you)

    What god?

  • http://twitter.com/Zordabo Maurizio

    you

  • Michael

    These aren’t half bad, I just find it strange how critical and aggressive the comment section seems to be, as if the original commandments would hold up under scrutiny, they were full of inherent contradictions, and the only ones which seem to be truly respected now are those which come naturally to us without religion, not murdering for example.

    These on the other hand – ignoring that it’s an idealistic notion that any set of “commandments” can truly solve problems – hold together much better, for example #1 reminds me very strongly of the Social Contract theory of ethics, that we all agree to respect the rights of others so that we may have rights.

    The second seems to be striking some as a communist notion, to some extent at least, but I read it as advocating the end of classism, of looking at others as less that human because they are of a different social class. It’s the same reason I dislike ethnicity – not ethnicities mind you, but the concept of ethnicity and culture -
    it gives people something to distance themselves from others with, and creates objects of contention in social interaction, the same way religions do.

    Not too much to say about the third one, seems fairly self evident, though perhaps it makes assumptions that people know what values are important to educate their children with, some people know vanity and selfishness rather than more … ideal traits.

    I don’t think the fourth is meant to deny that some people contribute more to society and some less, the truth of that is undeniable, but that, as with the second, it speaks of a direction, namely, that we stop dissociating ourselves from others, stop viewing them by a label, yes a person might contribute less, but they shouldn’t be judged by that, they’re human, they have a life, and a worth regardless of their measurable contribution.

    I like #5, it does a good job of singling out the bone I, and many like me, have to pick with religion, it’s use as an excuse to hate and discriminate. I realize, of course, that this statement isn’t limited to religion, but even so. Not a fan of the word “cooperative” though, makes me think of the Borg and their “Collective”.

    #6 is what Atheists have been trying to say to the religious for a while now, so I appreciate it, though I’ve never actually had anyone ask me where I got my morality from when I told them I was Atheist.

    I can see people taking number ‎#7 to extremes, “So what if I’m a little stabby, my uniqueness is my contribution to society.” It’s a very valuable notion, one I have trouble keeping in mind for myself, but it definitely needs to be tempered with all of the other rules of the list.

    I’m not sure I follow the eight commandment, maybe there’s just some definition of “the cooperative” (there’s that word again) I’m not understanding. I do admit I love the second half of the sentence though

    “none of us alone are God but all of us together are.”

    Very powerful.

    There’s a nice formality to the ninth, but I’m not sure it contributes well to the list, in a callback to my earlier mention of Social Contract theory, civil disobedience is justified if it’s fighting against a rule or law that’s unjust, the masses aren’t always right, and civility doesn’t always serve to effect changes that need to happen. I can see this rule hurting as often as helping, at least at that level, to a lesser extent, decent rule, be civil.

    I realize the last is a quote, but it seems a really weak point to end on, though to be honest, I’m to distracted by the grammar and sentence structure to absorb the meaning. “Abide by these ten commandments and in so doing.” In so doing what? Usually “in so doing” continues into another part of a sentence, implying causality… maybe I’m missing something, but either way, you’d have been better off ending with something of your own creation, however good the first half a minute of the song inspired by Crowley is.

    Well, thank you for giving me something to stave off the time with, I feel thoroughly disinformed ;)

    • Madpoet0

      Great assessment Michael thank you. I’m more than sure it helped others to understand and will continue to do so. Again Thank You.

    • BaphometRex666

      About your Borg comment I have to give you credit, the difference is very subtle.
      The Borg has its collective which is like a bee hive of humans with the computer as queen bee.
      In a cooperative you don’t have a queen bee but a society that cooperates in order to achieve a mutual goal, “A good life for them and their offspring”
      It’s like the difference between abide and obey.
      Abide implies a willed cooperation where as obey implies slavery.

  • Michael

    These aren’t half bad, I just find it strange how critical and aggressive the comment section seems to be, as if the original commandments would hold up under scrutiny, they were full of inherent contradictions, and the only ones which seem to be truly respected now are those which come naturally to us without religion, not murdering for example.

    These on the other hand – ignoring that it’s an idealistic notion that any set of “commandments” can truly solve problems – hold together much better, for example #1 reminds me very strongly of the Social Contract theory of ethics, that we all agree to respect the rights of others so that we may have rights.

    The second seems to be striking some as a communist notion, to some extent at least, but I read it as advocating the end of classism, of looking at others as less that human because they are of a different social class. It’s the same reason I dislike ethnicity – not ethnicities mind you, but the concept of ethnicity and culture -
    it gives people something to distance themselves from others with, and creates objects of contention in social interaction, the same way religions do.

    Not too much to say about the third one, seems fairly self evident, though perhaps it makes assumptions that people know what values are important to educate their children with, some people know vanity and selfishness rather than more … ideal traits.

    I don’t think the fourth is meant to deny that some people contribute more to society and some less, the truth of that is undeniable, but that, as with the second, it speaks of a direction, namely, that we stop dissociating ourselves from others, stop viewing them by a label, yes a person might contribute less, but they shouldn’t be judged by that, they’re human, they have a life, and a worth regardless of their measurable contribution.

    I like #5, it does a good job of singling out the bone I, and many like me, have to pick with religion, it’s use as an excuse to hate and discriminate. I realize, of course, that this statement isn’t limited to religion, but even so. Not a fan of the word “cooperative” though, makes me think of the Borg and their “Collective”.

    #6 is what Atheists have been trying to say to the religious for a while now, so I appreciate it, though I’ve never actually had anyone ask me where I got my morality from when I told them I was Atheist.

    I can see people taking number ‎#7 to extremes, “So what if I’m a little stabby, my uniqueness is my contribution to society.” It’s a very valuable notion, one I have trouble keeping in mind for myself, but it definitely needs to be tempered with all of the other rules of the list.

    I’m not sure I follow the eight commandment, maybe there’s just some definition of “the cooperative” (there’s that word again) I’m not understanding. I do admit I love the second half of the sentence though

    “none of us alone are God but all of us together are.”

    Very powerful.

    There’s a nice formality to the ninth, but I’m not sure it contributes well to the list, in a callback to my earlier mention of Social Contract theory, civil disobedience is justified if it’s fighting against a rule or law that’s unjust, the masses aren’t always right, and civility doesn’t always serve to effect changes that need to happen. I can see this rule hurting as often as helping, at least at that level, to a lesser extent, decent rule, be civil.

    I realize the last is a quote, but it seems a really weak point to end on, though to be honest, I’m to distracted by the grammar and sentence structure to absorb the meaning. “Abide by these ten commandments and in so doing.” In so doing what? Usually “in so doing” continues into another part of a sentence, implying causality… maybe I’m missing something, but either way, you’d have been better off ending with something of your own creation, however good the first half a minute of the song inspired by Crowley is.

    Well, thank you for giving me something to stave off the time with, I feel thoroughly disinformed ;)

  • pedantic arsehole

    yes, it is all well and good to say “do not violate other people’s rights.” that is perfectly fine. that statement is correct. i do not have a problem with that statement. my problem is that no rights have been prescribed. you cannot leave creating rights to “common sense” because not everyone has the same idea about what rights should be protected.
    for example, you may think that it is common sense to protect the right to hold property, whereas someone else may think that you should not hold exclusive property rights. someone might think that freedom of speech is important, whereas someone else may think that the individuals and the press have an obligation not to offend or reveal sensitive information. a case in point here would be the US Government’s problem with the WIkileaks releases.
    what i am saying is that, yes, saying that everyone should respect rights is correct. it is fine. it is a desirable end. my problem lies with the vague and obscure nature of the rights. none have been prescribed and as such the first “commandment” lacks substance, and therefore will be ineffective. there would be a requirement to prescribe SPECIFIC rights, which would no doubt be subjective and biased in favour of one way of thinking or moral outlook.

    and i won’t even go into the problems with the statement “if you violate another person’s rights you will be denied yours”.

  • Felonyfists

    I like half of these commandments, but the other half are best suited for a communist faggot.

    • Madpoet0

      You do realize you just shown the world you are an intolerant gay bashing homo-phoebe don’t you?
      If not good job I hope more idiots like you expose yourselves here for you are all too stupid to realize that is exactly what you are doing.

      • anti-crowley

        Yes Madpoet0, more hate in your response should shut up that hate filled Felonyfists. Hypocrisy is a bad cologne.

        • Madpoet0

          Then stop wearing it.

  • Felonyfists

    I like half of these commandments, but the other half are best suited for a communist faggot.

  • Andrew

    I’m not God, even together with the rest of you.

  • Andrew

    I’m not God, even together with the rest of you.

  • P Bunston

    You are so wrong if you take the promise of heaven or the existence of God out of your “new” 10 commandments.

  • P Bunston

    You are so wrong if you take the promise of heaven or the existence of God out of your “new” 10 commandments.

    • Madpoet0

      Not wrong just not as primitive as you and posters like you.
      It’s 2011 not 500 A.D. Catch up or die like the dinosaurs.
      P.S. The world is round not flat get the Fuck over it!

      • anti-crowley

        We all can only hope to be as modern in thought as you Madpoet0. Oh wait, Crowley was last century.

        Die like the dinosaurs? You mean by projectile from space or global iceage? Or perhaps you are suggesting dinosaurs died because they followed the old 10 commandments. Brilliant response chap!”
        P.S. We understand you may not have had the best childhood, get the F@ck over it!

        • Madpoet0

          The world is round, flat head!

          • anti-crowley

            Got me madpoet0, please don’t call me a poopyhead though, I don’t know if I could take it. Or better yet, if you convince everyone that you are rubber and I am glue….

  • James Greywolf

    There are those who are beaten who did not violate #1… but, in fact, the beaters were the violators and the assaulted were innocent bystanders.

  • James Greywolf

    There are those who are beaten who did not violate #1… but, in fact, the beaters were the violators and the assaulted were innocent bystanders.

  • Madpoet0

    Not wrong just not as primitive as you and posters like you.
    It’s 2011 not 500 A.D. Catch up or die like the dinosaurs.
    P.S. The world is round not flat get the Fuck over it!

  • Madpoet0

    You do realize you just shown the world you are an intolerant gay bashing homo-phoebe don’t you?
    If not good job I hope more idiots like you expose yourselves here for you are all too stupid to realize that is exactly what you are doing.

  • Madpoet0

    Great assessment Michael thank you. I’m more than sure it helped others to understand and will continue to do so. Again Thank You.

  • Anti-Crowley

    You would have people believe that you have actually read a Bible when your ignorance on this issue is quite glaring. First of all, lets mention that there are literally thousands of commandments given to the Hebrews by God. Many of them regard hygiene and healthy living. Secondly, the idea that slavery is not OK is brought to you by….wait for it, Christian ideology, along with the rest of our basic human rights which our founding fathers got from the Christian God!

    Another reminder, the corruption of Christianity now known as the Roman Catholic Church was a result of mixing politics with Christianity. Constantine is where you begin to see this happen. Government has and always will overstep its bounds and oppress its people. Just because it decided to hijack a religion does not make that religion invalid. I could pull any number of a thousand case studies on the State corrupting everything it gets its hands on, including religion. The State does this because it is a very good method of controlling people. Look what ours does with money, which is the modern day method of controlling the masses.

    Most of this list loans its original concepts from Jewish and Christian ethical precepts! If you don’t see that then I suggest you further you education before posting any further. The first four on the list are all Christian concepts. In fact, I wish you good luck in establishing what someones “rights” are without a religious base. Do I have the right to do drugs even though they harm me? You would say yes, but do I then have the right to sell them if they harm others? You would say no. Your commandment against belief in Heaven is propagating under the premise that there is no Heaven. This commandment of yours would already infringe on the rights of others who believe in Heaven. Likewise, if there actually is a Heaven this commandment in nonsense. Before you could command someone not to believe in Heaven there would have to be conclusive evidence that it does not exist. The only parts of this list that don’t agree with the Christian worldview of ethics and morals are clearly just stark contrasting attempts to jab at Christianity. Crowley made his anti-Christian belief structure because he hated Christianity and worshiped Satan. If you would like to continue to follow Aleister’s teachings don’t claim Atheism. Crowley very much believed in a Spiritual world, he believed Lucifer ruled it. If you don’t believe that I suggest you pick up a copy of Magika and read it.

  • Guest

    I would like to say:

    GOD COMPLEX GOD COMPLEX GOD COMPLEX

    And those of you who were not enraged enough to click on Mikey’s profile, I’ve done the honors of copying and pasting for you here:

    (directly from twitter)

    “Michael S. Margolin
    @BaphometRex666 Mtn. View Ca. U.S.A.
    Rev. Michael S. Margolin Co-Founder of the Sinagogue of Satan.
    http://www.sosatan.org

    • Bray Kenbolz

      Enraged were you? Good. Share it with others. Get them enraged too. Perhaps if enough people are enraged about this humanism will no longer have to take a backseat to primitive superstitions that no longer have a place in current society other than in their carbon dated past. Anyone who creates has a “god complex”. Have you ever made something and decided it was “good” ? Did you share it, sell it, give it as a gift? Did others share your enthusiasm? You, like everyone else has an ego. I bet yours gets bruised a lot more often than Mike’s has in his entire life otherwise you wouldn’t have felt the need to say “HAHA! Look over here!” We’re already a step ahead of you.

      • Madpoet0

        THANK YOU BRAY!

      • anti-crowley

        Ha, take that random Guest! Bray’s ego +1.

    • Bray Kenbolz

      Enraged were you? Good. Share it with others. Get them enraged too. Perhaps if enough people are enraged about this humanism will no longer have to take a backseat to primitive superstitions that no longer have a place in current society other than in their carbon dated past. Anyone who creates has a “god complex”. Have you ever made something and decided it was “good” ? Did you share it, sell it, give it as a gift? Did others share your enthusiasm? You, like everyone else has an ego. I bet yours gets bruised a lot more often than Mike’s has in his entire life otherwise you wouldn’t have felt the need to say “HAHA! Look over here!” We’re already a step ahead of you.

    • BaphometRex666

      Funny you should say that,
      here is a copy of the original post in facebook where I wrote it all.
      Michael Shane Margolin’s First commandment. “If you cannot respect the rights of others than you yourself shall be denied your rights.”
      More to come as I further develop my God ego.
      March 9 at 5:15pm

  • Guest

    I would like to say:

    GOD COMPLEX GOD COMPLEX GOD COMPLEX

    And those of you who were not enraged enough to click on Mikey’s profile, I’ve done the honors of copying and pasting for you here:

    (directly from twitter)

    “Michael S. Margolin
    @BaphometRex666 Mtn. View Ca. U.S.A.
    Rev. Michael S. Margolin Co-Founder of the Sinagogue of Satan.
    http://www.sosatan.org

  • Guest

    Wow, I really didn’t think I would have to ask this question, but if suicide is, in fact, illegal, then if someone were to commit suicide, how would one seek to enforce the law onto a dead citizen?

  • Guest

    “An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.”

    Example: The American Justice System.

  • Bray Kenbolz

    Enraged were you? Good. Share it with others. Get them enraged too. Perhaps if enough people are enraged about this humanism will no longer have to take a backseat to primitive superstitions that no longer have a place in current society other than in their carbon dated past. Anyone who creates has a “god complex”. Have you ever made something and decided it was “good” ? Did you share it, sell it, give it as a gift? Did others share your enthusiasm? You, like everyone else has an ego. I bet yours gets bruised a lot more often than Mike’s has in his entire life otherwise you wouldn’t have felt the need to say “HAHA! Look over here!” We’re already a step ahead of you.

  • http://www.nickmeador.org/ ndmeador

    Thou shalt hold the holy hand genade, and the holy hand grenade is the one thou shalt holdeth.

    Just kidding. Decent list.

    • Madpoet0

      I loved your reply too funny, this thread needed that.

    • Guest

      When Gerald Gardiner castrated Crowley by adding “An it harm no one” to “Do what thou wilt,” he laid the groundwork for many further castrations to come.

      For example, see above.

  • http://www.nickmeador.org/ ndmeador

    Thou shalt hold the holy hand genade, and the holy hand grenade is the one thou shalt holdeth.

    Just kidding. Decent list.

  • http://www.nickmeador.org/ ndmeador

    Thou shalt hold the holy hand genade, and the holy hand grenade is the one thou shalt holdeth.

    Just kidding. Decent list.

  • Madpoet0

    Nothing in my ten commandments came from the Jewish bible. You suck at propaganda, anyone that reads your post and my 10 commandments will see right away that you and your argument are full of SHIT!

  • Madpoet0

    And turning the other cheek gets your head cut off.

  • Madpoet0

    Yeah those old Ten Commandments didn’t work to well did they?

  • Madpoet0

    THANK YOU BRAY!

  • BaphometRex666

    About your Borg comment I have to give you credit, the difference is very subtle.
    The Borg has its collective which is like a bee hive of humans with the computer as queen bee.
    In a cooperative you don’t have a queen bee but a society that cooperates in order to achieve a mutual goal, “A good life for them and their offspring”
    It’s like the difference between abide and obey.
    Abide implies a willed cooperation where as obey implies slavery.

  • BaphometRex666

    Funny you should say that,
    here is a copy of the original post in facebook where I wrote it all.
    Michael Shane Margolin’s First commandment. “If you cannot respect the rights of others than you yourself shall be denied your rights.”
    More to come as I further develop my God ego.
    March 9 at 5:15pm

  • Aleister Crowley 2012

    These all appear to be inspired by the writings of Aleister Crowley. How come his name is not in the tags? Anyway, good job!

    • Madpoet0

      Only #10 the rest have nothing to do with Crowley but they do have some commonalities here and there.
      I thought of using Crowley’s for #10 when I was writing #7

      • Aleister Crowley 2012

        Funny, I could come up with quotations from AC which allude to almost all of these.

        • anti-crowley

          Hey, you are dangerously close to interfering with the Rev’s rights to claim ownership of this material…to jail with you, but not before a good beating in the name of humanity. Hey Mike, am I doing it right?

          • Madpoet0

            No, nor can he produce what he claims.

  • Aleister Crowley 2012

    These all appear to be inspired by the writings of Aleister Crowley. How come his name is not in the tags? Anyway, good job!

  • Madpoet0

    GreyWolf if you’re referring to the slaughter of the Native Americans those good Christians didn’t have my Ten Commandments they had Manifest Destiny instead which resulted in where we are now.
    Not saying my Ten Commandments would have made a difference but who knows.

  • Anonymous

    Us god, that’s what!

  • Adam

    “Crowley made his anti-Christian belief structure because he hated Christianity and worshiped Satan. If you would like to continue to follow Aleister’s teachings don’t claim Atheism. Crowley very much believed in a Spiritual world, he believed Lucifer ruled it. If you don’t believe that I suggest you pick up a copy of Magika and read it.”

    1. Actually, I believe you’re referring to “Magick in Theory and Practice,” or else you’re talking about some Christian fundamentalist claptrap that no one here is going to take seriously. And this is Disinfo, for God’s sake; some folks on here still take David Icke seriously.
    2. Aleister Crowley was not a Satanist (in either the traditional or modern sense), but was indeed highly anti-Christian (despite, or maybe because of, his being steeped in Christian theology and Biblical studies since he was a young child); if you can’t see the distinction between the two, well, then that speaks volumes about your moral and intellectual character right there. Crowley would more likely be classified as an extreme agnostic, meaning he was undecided on the truth or falsity of all phenomenon, a la Robert Anton Wilson. He just liked to offend people like you by throwing in the “evil” imagery and blasphemy. Why? Because, let’s face it, most religious folks (and notice I did not say Christians) need to lighten the fuck up.

    Nice try, but thanks for playing. Enjoy your Chick tracts. Oh, and that angry, ignorant judgmental attitude you’re affecting pretty much defines you as a member of an extremist Protestant sect; I’m guessing Baptist or maybe Pentecostal? Or something even more asinine and hateful.

    Are you Fred Phelps? :)

  • Madpoet0

    Only #10 the rest have nothing to do with Crowley but they do have some commonalities here and there.
    I thought of using Crowley’s for #10 when I was writing #7

  • Madpoet0

    I loved your reply too funny, this thread needed that.

  • Mhonohan

    You most certainly have the fact correct. Unfortunately, you seem to think the Bible is based on reality. It is not.

  • Madpoet0

    What Artor said.

  • Madpoet0

    My Ten Commandments have nothing to do with any bibles nor do I believe bibles to be anything more than fairy tales. I exploited a name you all know “The Ten Commandments” would this work have gotton more or less attention if it was the “four commandments or the thirteen commandments? Ten because I wrote ten, nothing more nothing less. Exploiting a common title was merely a good idea.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EMLFKLALZHF7EBYUQXHUHQOATQ Tony

    Please Artor espouse some more of your wisdom. You are so wise. More, more. lol

  • Guest

    When Gerald Gardiner castrated Crowley by adding “An it harm no one” to “Do what thou wilt,” he laid the groundwork for many further castrations to come.

    For example, see above.

  • anti-crowley

    Adam,
    Let us take a look at some quotes directly for Crowley’s work. But first, to your accusation of being hateful lets look at your own choice of words.

    “Christian fundamentalist claptrap”
    “Nice try, but thanks for playing. Enjoy your Chick tracts. Oh, and that angry, ignorant judgmental attitude you’re affecting pretty much defines you as a member of an extremist Protestant sect; I’m guessing Baptist or maybe Pentecostal? Or something even more asinine and hateful.”

    “Are you Fred Phelps?”

    Wow, no hate there on your part I am sure though. :)

    In his major work Magick in Theory & Practice, Crowley describes the manner in which Satan fits into his intricate cosmology: the Aeon of Horus, which he believed he was destined and chosen to proclaim to
    mankind, includes the formula FIAOF of which the ‘O’ component is

    “The exalted ‘Devil’ (also the other secret Eye {phallic worship}) by the formula of the initiates of Horus… This ‘Devil’ is called Satan or Shaitan, and regarded with horror by people who are ignorant of his formula…

    “… We have therefore no scruple in restoring the ‘devil worship’ of such ideas…

    “Thus the ‘Devil’ is Capricornus, the Goat who leaps upon the loftiest mountains, the Godhead which, became manifest in man, makes him Aegipan, the All.”

    Crowley’s literary executor and biographer, John Symonds, writes:

    “Crowley’s philosophy takes a bit from here and a bit from there… but… he was more a Satanist than anything else. ‘I serve my great Master Satan’, he wrote in one of his franker confessions, ‘and that
    august Council composed of Beelzebub, Lucifuge, Asmodeus, Belphegor, Baal, Adrammelech, Lilith and
    Nahema.’”
    (John Symonds, The Great Beast).

    to quote you. “if you can’t see the distinction between the two, well, then that speaks volumes about your moral and intellectual character right there.”

    I could not have said it better myself…but hey nice try.

  • justagirl

    doesn’t “do what thou wilt” neutralize the need for commandments?

    • Madpoet0

      No, and Crowley had to explain that statement over and over due to the fact most people do not understand the responsibilities that go with it, nor the full scope of the statement.

      • justagirl

        silly servant.

  • justagirl

    doesn’t “do what thou wilt” neutralize the need for commandments?

  • Itmgisd1

    Happened on this site by accident today. Reading everyone’s posts has reaffirmed the belief that our species needs to be and most likely will soon be purged.

  • Mikehubb23

    weekly hangings on sunday seem in order after reading the comments the left here.. out with the old and broken and In with the new ideas..23′s

    • Madpoet0

      93 and 23!
      Siriusly I’m in full agreement with you Mike.
      For those of you so quick to jump on the smallest of errors I spelled seriously wrong intentionally to emphasize Sirius. 23 and hail to the memory of Robert Anton Wilson!

  • Mikehubb23

    weekly hangings on sunday seem in order after reading the comments the left here.. out with the old and broken and In with the new ideas..23′s

  • Madpoet0

    That does nothing for your opinions.

  • Madpoet0

    93 and 23!
    Siriusly I’m in full agreement with you Mike.
    For those of you so quick to jump on the smallest of errors I spelled seriously wrong intentionally to emphasize Sirius. 23 and hail to the memory of Robert Anton Wilson!

  • Madpoet0

    No, and Crowley had to explain that statement over and over due to the fact most people do not understand the responsibilities that go with it, nor the full scope of the statement.

  • justagirl

    silly servant.

  • sssseth

    Bahahah! Synagogue of Satan?! Is that the reverse of Jews for Jesus??

    Also, is Anti-Crowley a Christian of some sort? No qualms, just curious as I’m not sure I’ve ever seen one posting on this site.

    • Madpoet0

      “Sin” Sinagogue we are not Jewish we are a group of sinful people
      http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=id&id=MED40413
      (c) a group of sinful people; ~ of satan
      And I’ve posted here before “No on Prop 8″ and “The Virus”
      I’m Rev. Michael S. Margolin Co-Founder of the “SIN”agogue of Satan

  • sssseth

    Bahahah! Synagogue of Satan?! Is that the reverse of Jews for Jesus??

    Also, is Anti-Crowley a Christian of some sort? No qualms, just curious as I’m not sure I’ve ever seen one posting on this site.

  • http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/ Francois Tremblay

    Sadly, once you codify rules of living, they become a source of evil simply by virtue of being fixed and revered. Ethics is not meant to be written in stone.

    • Madpoet0

      When people dictate what should be and what should not be they have become the dictator.

      • anti-crowley

        Isn’t that what you are doing with you new 10 commandments?

        • Madpoet0

          No

          • anti-crowley

            yes

          • Madpoet0

            no

          • anti-crowley

            no infinite.

          • anti-crowley

            I mean yes infinite…crap!

    • anti-crowley

      Actually the term ethics refers to the “highest good”. It most definitely promoted a Universal and unchanging truth. This of course was its original meaning introduced by Socrates and further developed by Aristotle. They were in a philosophical quest to discover the base truth of what is good. It was an attempt to reverse the belief that good is subject to the ruling elite or popular majority. It has been changed now to the common meaning the exact thing that Aristotle was trying to abolish by establishing his use of the word.

      • Tuna Ghost

        …I’m beginning to think you haven’t done much research on anything on this topic. You’re using Plato, who asked all the right questions and got all the answers wrong (by his own admission), and Aristotle, who thought women were not fully human, as authorities to which you appeal?

        • anti-crowley

          Your beginning to THINK! That’s great tuna ghost, I suggest you make that a habit from here on out. I was referring to the usage of the word. Society deemed it a valid enough opinion to keep the word around. Guess they should have consulted with the occultist of the time for approval eh.

          • Tuna Ghost

            This is how you make excuses for not knowing what you’re talking about, isn’t it.

            C’mon guy. Admit it. You haven’t actually read any philosophy, and your theology is completely mainstream. It’s shameful, sure, but we can talk about something else if you want, like why your dedication to being a good person didn’t leave time for a decent education.

  • http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/ Francois Tremblay

    Sadly, once you codify rules of living, they become a source of evil simply by virtue of being fixed and revered. Ethics is not meant to be written in stone.

  • Madpoet0

    When people dictate what should be and what should not be they have become the dictator.

  • Madpoet0

    When people dictate what should be and what should not be they have become the dictator.

  • Madpoet0

    When people dictate what should be and what should not be they have become the dictator.

  • Malkiyahu

    Wow, these are retarded. Did a 5th grader write this?

  • Malkiyahu

    Wow, these are retarded. Did a 5th grader write this?

    • anti-crowley

      No Malkiyahu, a fully grown 48 year old man did. Aren’t you impressed?

  • anti-crowley

    Are you attempting to elude to having some unknown source of evidence against the Bible? There are over 30,000 scholars around the world that would love to see it friend.

  • anti-crowley

    Anyone who has studied American history and understand the origins of American ethics and morals knows where they came from, Christianity. The universal rights that are self evident to all Americans can be clearly traced back to the Bible. So I will ask again in regards to your “commandments” son.

    #1: Where and when do you define your version of “rights.” Oh, and by the way, this rule is in place in any government who possesses prisons. Not your idea, but it is a good idea as long as we can establish a universal definition of rights. Which Christianity does.
    #2 Social Classes are shunned in the New Testament by Christ and his disciples. Sorry, got that one covered in Christianity too, but again it is a great idea.
    #3 Is the best one of all, Christianity agrees with this to the letter. Education and health of the child are accountable to the parents…not the State.
    #4 Caring for the poor, the oppressed, the outcast. Christian principles yet again. Jesus hung out with the impoverished, not at the country club. So far you are matching Christianity pretty well. I don’t think there is any new information here even to the pious.
    #5 Strong language, you are declaring an enemy based on a system that does not have a clear starting point for “rights” The obvious undertone here is a statement against Islam. But, I would also detect a hint of pro-gay marriage or abortion “rights” here (by the way do you recognize the rights of a baby in the womb?)
    #6 Full and Happy life, honest in speech, love and charity are most important…all Christian beliefs as well. So is the belief of “worry not about tomorrow” the only new concept here is your demanding nobody believe in Heaven, in fact you are commanding them to shun the idea. You are now infringing on my right to have free thoughts and beliefs in my God. Boy great system there. You’re real intent for this article leaps out and you are now exposed.
    #7 “uniqueness is your contribution to society!?” great motivational poster, but not a good commandment. I would say my Charity, work ethic, sympathy, intelligence and sacrifice would be the better candidate for contributions to society. Your bid to uniqueness is just a cliche remnant of Crowley’s revolution in the 70′s.
    #8 Justice is for the State? Thought we were already doing it. If we aren’t then we an look at the Bible and see that justice and punishment of crime is the chief purpose of having a State to begin with. Yet again your real colors shine through as you claim “together we are God”.
    #9 Sounds pretty, but it is empty as far as commandments go. Just another good quote that I may put at them closing of an email. The deeper concepts of this one have been covered your previous commandments.
    #10 This last one is not yours at all, you plagiarize Crowley to the letter. It is worth stating to everyone that American youth tried Crowley’s revolution against the system, parents and State. This of course was after he died a sexual deviant with a serious heroin addiction (great icon to emulate). This sexual revolution led to the %700 rise in teen pregnancy and abortion of over 40,000,000 babies. This spike in drug use that is now out of control and causing the border of Mexico to break down. But hey, at least we have Charles Manson and his murderous crew to show for it. YOUR propaganda has been tried by Crowley and Charles Manson. We know how it ends…in suffering and drug addiction or worse. Keep your hate against Christians. We don’t buy your “open mindedness” for a second son.

  • Adam

    Yes…quoting the notoriously biased John Symonds to support any point regarding Crowley (positive or negative): excellent scholarship. In fact, your entire “proof” of the man as an evil, sinister devil-worshiper seems to be lifted whole cloth from the Internet, as anyone can verify for themselves by following these links:
    http://www.book-of-thoth.com/archives-article-nobreaks-1755.html
    http://www.satanservice.org/theory/thelacstn.txt
    The phrasing and choice of quotes are almost exactly the same as in your above post. What’s the word I’m looking for? Oh, that’s right: PLAGIARISM. But I’m sure this was entirely accidental on your part. Incidentally, both of these links offer fairly good, nuanced arguments as to why AC was not a Satanist.

    And let’s take a look at that quote from Crowley himself shall we? “I serve my great Master Satan’, he wrote in one of his franker confessions, ‘and that august Council composed of Beelzebub, Lucifuge, Asmodeus, Belphegor, Baal, Adrammelech, Lilith and Nahema.’” How exactly does this invalidate my point regarding AC’s fondness for pissing off Christians? Again, he certainly wanted narrow-minded religious folks to THINK he was a Satanist (styling himself “the Great Beast,” identifying with the number 666, and countless other examples), and was definitely anti-religion in general and anti-Christian in particular, but being opposed to Christianity does not make one a Satanist, just as being opposed to fascism does not make one a communist. Unless you’re one of those “either/or” people, which is just sad (and stupid).
    However, the quote you use (by use I mean stole from another source) from Magick in Theory and Practice (and I noticed you did not correct the mistaken title of “Magika” until I pointed it out either; you’re welcome) even more clearly spells out Crowley’s view of Satan:
    “The exalted ‘Devil’ (also the other secret Eye {phallic worship}) by the formula of the initiates of Horus… This ‘Devil’ is called Satan or Shaitan, and regarded with horror by people who are ignorant of his formula…
    … We have therefore no scruple in restoring the ‘devil worship’ of such ideas…
    Thus the ‘Devil’ is Capricornus, the Goat who leaps upon the loftiest mountains, the Godhead which, became manifest in man, makes him Aegipan, the All.”

    AC equated the “Devil,” “Satan,” or more properly, Shaitan (which is a term from the Yezidis, an ancient Kurdish tribe and religion that was contemporary with and may even predate Judaism) with a solar-phallic “goat,” a lusty, life-force male deity not unlike Pan; Pan was then, just as you’re doing now, mistakenly turned into the Biblical Devil by early Christian church leaders to stamp out ancient European pagan beliefs. I don’t really see any invalidation of my original point, which is that you’re not really reading Crowley very closely or with a discerning eye, and you’re buying not only a modern fundamentalist slant on the guy, but also the man’s own personal myth-making.

    And I don’t hate you, Anti-Crowley; you just seem like kind of a douchebag.

  • Madpoet0

    Anybody that knows me and what I’m about knows you are a liar.
    The Hate Christians statement really exposes you as a liar.
    The only Hate in my Posting of my Ten commandments are your posts.

  • Madpoet0

    “Sin” Sinagogue we are not Jewish we are a group of sinful people
    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=id&id=MED40413
    (c) a group of sinful people; ~ of satan
    And I’ve posted here before “No on Prop 8″ and “The Virus”
    I’m Rev. Michael S. Margolin Co-Founder of the “SIN”agogue of Satan

  • http://twitter.com/cypherpunks01 cypherpunks01

    I don’t think a person who can’t spell “thought” correctly should be saying anything about another person’s spelling….

  • anti-crowley

    Unfortunately, most of those reading this post don’t know you. That is to say other than what you have posted here. If you prescribe to Crowley’s system, but do not hate Christians, then you do not prescribe to Crowley’s system. He hated Christianity and was set to tear down any belief that was Christian. IF you don’t hate Christianity then I would refrain from quoting him or pushing his teaching on others. It’s akin to quoting Hitler’s beliefs and wondering why Jews think you hate them. You are right if you think I am assuming a lot about you based on this post, because I am. Because of the link to Crowley, I assume you condone the use of mind altering drugs. I further assume that you have had no involvement in combating drugs within the U.S. I take that assumption farther into assuming that you have not worked in an ER and seen youth die in front of you from drug overdose. I assume you have never seen neglected or abused children who have drug addicted parents. I may be wrong in these assumptions about you. But I am not wrong in the fact that the “casual drug use” practiced and preached by Crowley is a bad thing. This is the real world and real bad things are going on. I have witnessed these things because I contribute to society in fighting them. I fight them because of my Christian morals and ethics. You are right, I DO hate these things I have just mentioned. I hate them because I care about the people these beliefs hurt. I hate them because my children have to deal with a society of youth who are constantly looking for the next high, or the next sexual encounter. I have seen lives and families destroyed by sexual addiction, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease. I have seen all of these things lead to suicide. To you things like this are a simple post on the internet to stimulate discussion. To many others these types of beliefs have destroyed their life. I look at this post and many comments hear and they scream ignorance of the effects of these things.

    There are a lot of attacks on Christianity out there these days and they all sound similar to certain things in your ten commandments. People put Christianity on par with the extremists in Islam. I can promise you I have a significant amount of life experience to back up my positions, much more than you do. It spans across many countries and over a large period of time.

  • anti-crowley

    Unfortunately, most of those reading this post don’t know you. That is to say other than what you have posted here. If you prescribe to Crowley’s system, but do not hate Christians, then you do not prescribe to Crowley’s system. He hated Christianity and was set to tear down any belief that was Christian. IF you don’t hate Christianity then I would refrain from quoting him or pushing his teaching on others. It’s akin to quoting Hitler’s beliefs and wondering why Jews think you hate them. You are right if you think I am assuming a lot about you based on this post, because I am. Because of the link to Crowley, I assume you condone the use of mind altering drugs. I further assume that you have had no involvement in combating drugs within the U.S. I take that assumption farther into assuming that you have not worked in an ER and seen youth die in front of you from drug overdose. I assume you have never seen neglected or abused children who have drug addicted parents. I may be wrong in these assumptions about you. But I am not wrong in the fact that the “casual drug use” practiced and preached by Crowley is a bad thing. This is the real world and real bad things are going on. I have witnessed these things because I contribute to society in fighting them. I fight them because of my Christian morals and ethics. You are right, I DO hate these things I have just mentioned. I hate them because I care about the people these beliefs hurt. I hate them because my children have to deal with a society of youth who are constantly looking for the next high, or the next sexual encounter. I have seen lives and families destroyed by sexual addiction, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease. I have seen all of these things lead to suicide. To you things like this are a simple post on the internet to stimulate discussion. To many others these types of beliefs have destroyed their life. I look at this post and many comments hear and they scream ignorance of the effects of these things.

    There are a lot of attacks on Christianity out there these days and they all sound similar to certain things in your ten commandments. People put Christianity on par with the extremists in Islam. I can promise you I have a significant amount of life experience to back up my positions, much more than you do. It spans across many countries and over a large period of time.

  • anti-crowley

    Unfortunately, most of those reading this post don’t know you. That is to say other than what you have posted here. If you prescribe to Crowley’s system, but do not hate Christians, then you do not prescribe to Crowley’s system. He hated Christianity and was set to tear down any belief that was Christian. IF you don’t hate Christianity then I would refrain from quoting him or pushing his teaching on others. It’s akin to quoting Hitler’s beliefs and wondering why Jews think you hate them. You are right if you think I am assuming a lot about you based on this post, because I am. Because of the link to Crowley, I assume you condone the use of mind altering drugs. I further assume that you have had no involvement in combating drugs within the U.S. I take that assumption farther into assuming that you have not worked in an ER and seen youth die in front of you from drug overdose. I assume you have never seen neglected or abused children who have drug addicted parents. I may be wrong in these assumptions about you. But I am not wrong in the fact that the “casual drug use” practiced and preached by Crowley is a bad thing. This is the real world and real bad things are going on. I have witnessed these things because I contribute to society in fighting them. I fight them because of my Christian morals and ethics. You are right, I DO hate these things I have just mentioned. I hate them because I care about the people these beliefs hurt. I hate them because my children have to deal with a society of youth who are constantly looking for the next high, or the next sexual encounter. I have seen lives and families destroyed by sexual addiction, teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease. I have seen all of these things lead to suicide. To you things like this are a simple post on the internet to stimulate discussion. To many others these types of beliefs have destroyed their life. I look at this post and many comments hear and they scream ignorance of the effects of these things.

    There are a lot of attacks on Christianity out there these days and they all sound similar to certain things in your ten commandments. People put Christianity on par with the extremists in Islam. I can promise you I have a significant amount of life experience to back up my positions, much more than you do. It spans across many countries and over a large period of time.

  • anti-crowley

    If your point in this is that I don’t spend vast amounts of my life studying Crowley’s work…correct. I am a douchebag that has spent my entire adult life dealing with lives destroyed by drugs, sexually irresponsibility which leads to unwanted children and terminal STDs. I have also been exposed to the chaos brought to the world in the drug trafficking epidemic in Mexico and Columbia. Why does that matter? Because it is brought here to satisfy the market of drug addicted American citizens. Not too long ago I got to hear the story of a 3 year old beat to death by a boot wielding boyfriend who was high and didn’t like the child’s crying. The mother wasn’t interested in stopping it because she was in a heroin induced haze. I spend my time being concerned about those things, not studying Crowley. I could care less about the spelling of Crowley’s book title, or whether or not he just “pretends” to be a Satanist inwardly or actually believes what he is writing or saying. They guy “inspired” the drug use and sexual revolution of the 70′s which is responsible for the wide spread drug problem that has plagued the country since. Let’s hear your contribution to society Adam. Lets hear about how your helping the poor and sacrificing for those in desperate need.

    A person who is against Fascism is not necessarily a Communist. But if that person boasts of Communism and knowingly projects Communist propaganda then any reasonable person is logical in his conclusion that he is a Communist. I suppose I should apologize for participating in this post, I’m sure you would prefer only those who agree with you should be allowed to post their opinions.

    I did find my information entirely on the internet for that post you are correct. I have recently discovered that the internet can be used to research a lot things. I am currently trying to convince the rest of the world to use it for that purpose, what do you think? I suppose you may be right that we should not use the internet for such things, perhaps you can share your sources on Crowley that are absent from the world wide web. Tell us all Adam, are you in the habit of using mind altering drugs? Am I mistaken in my belief that Crowley promotes it? I have reached my conclusions about what Crowley’s message is to people based not only on the internet, but what nearly everyone of his dedicated followers pushed out in the 60′s and 70′s. Stuff you may have heard or read about as I doubt you were alive back then (an assumption I made based on your choice to use the word douchebag.) You sound to me like someone with little life experience or none at all past college. You just don’t sound like a person who has traveled the world and seen long term effects of things such as what we are discussing here.

  • anti-crowley

    Actually the term ethics refers to the “highest good”. It most definitely promoted a Universal and unchanging truth. This of course was its original meaning introduced by Socrates and further developed by Aristotle. They were in a philosophical quest to discover the base truth of what is good. It was an attempt to reverse the belief that good is subject to the ruling elite or popular majority. It has been changed now to the common meaning the exact thing that Aristotle was trying to abolish by establishing his use of the word.

  • anti-crowley

    Isn’t that what you are doing with you new 10 commandments?

  • anti-crowley

    Thought you weren’t comparing your new proposal to replace the old commandments (according to your previous post). Your own argument that your commandments only work if everyone follows them applies to the original 10 commandments as well, if EVERYONE followed those things would be find as well.

  • anti-crowley

    again with the comparison against Christianity, thought you were not attacking Christians?

  • anti-crowley

    Yes Madpoet0, more hate in your response should shut up that hate filled Felonyfists. Hypocrisy is a bad cologne.

  • anti-crowley

    No, just cooperation with your opinions…correct?

  • anti-crowley

    Of course, that tends to be the reaction to someone who disagrees with you. That is why I am glad that smarter men than you wrote my right to free speech and freedom of religion into our current constitution. Which by the way allows you to write this post and be a Satanist. Your “original” ideas achieve nothing but restricting freedom of religion. Which if you were honest, you would admit was the real inspiration for your work.

  • anti-crowley

    We all can only hope to be as modern in thought as you Madpoet0. Oh wait, Crowley was last century.

    Die like the dinosaurs? You mean by projectile from space or global iceage? Or perhaps you are suggesting dinosaurs died because they followed the old 10 commandments. Brilliant response chap!”
    P.S. We understand you may not have had the best childhood, get the F@ck over it!

  • anti-crowley

    Ha, take that random Guest! Bray’s ego +1.

  • anti-crowley

    No Malkiyahu, a fully grown 48 year old man did. Aren’t you impressed?

  • anti-crowley

    Even if they are 14 years old? Because that is what happens when you preach the sexual freedom of Crowley.

  • anti-crowley

    Asshole defined: Any person or persons who in part or wholey disagree with the opinion of “Rev.” Michael S. Margolin’s beliefs. By the way you Co-founded Sinagogue of Satan then appointed yourself Rev am I correct?

  • anti-crowley

    you are right, it is funny.

  • anti-crowley

    Does that include the Autistic? What about people that are just shy?

  • anti-crowley

    your trying to pull the old “don’t pay any attention to the last commandment that I think should be forced on the entire human race” You are right, my manipulation techniques are primitive and out of practice…yours seem to be oiled and up to date.

  • anti-crowley

    Nobody was forcing you to follow the old ones. You will notice the old ones included God because they come out of the Jewish faith. If you were not Jewish or a Christian then why would you care what the old ones say? You make the comment like its referring to the Supreme Court law or the constitution which you are forced to follow. To say that they replace the old 10 commandments is to say that you aim to amend Jewish and Christian beliefs specifically.

    Knife sotelo you must have been soooo tired of ignoring and not believing the old 10 commandments, you poor thing. I’m glad you have found relief.

  • anti-crowley

    Yeah, keep that garbage about harming none out of this! We have to keep nut cases like this from poisoning your work Michael.

  • Aleister Crowley 2012

    Funny, I could come up with quotations from AC which allude to almost all of these.

  • anti-crowley

    I do, they wouldn’t have.

  • anti-crowley

    Got it, now lets hear your opinion on when one’s life begins.

  • anti-crowley

    You thought that rights were common sense? Funny, that has been a dispute for the entirety of recorded history. Figured you would have hear about it. There are several Supreme Court justices that would love to hear your comprehensive and final answer on the issue.

  • anti-crowley

    You mean adults with the mid-brain response of self-preservation. If we could just eliminate that part of human nature…but how? Oh, by declaring them enemies of the cooperative!

  • anti-crowley

    Hey, you are dangerously close to interfering with the Rev’s rights to claim ownership of this material…to jail with you, but not before a good beating in the name of humanity. Hey Mike, am I doing it right?

  • Tuna Ghost

    You just don’t sound like a person who has traveled the world and seen long term effects of things such as what we are discussing here.

    You mean Satanism and Crowley? Because that’s all you guys were talking about before you brought in your unsubstantiated claims about working with youths and victims of the ridiculous war on drugs.

    Look, guy, no one here gives a rat’s ass if either of you are working at orphanages during your spare time or actively shooting up as you write your diatribes. Fact is, your research is pretty crappy and saying “well of course I don’t study Crowley very much because I’m busy being a good person” doesn’t excuse shitty research. If you’re unfamiliar with a subject, stay out of the discussion.

    They guy “inspired” the drug use and sexual revolution of the 70′s which is responsible for the wide spread drug problem that has plagued the country since.

    To be blunt: no, he didn’t, and the fact that you think he did makes me uneasy, given that you work somehow with drug users. You’ve just admitted you don’t know much about Crowley and don’t care to learn. In light of this, why should we listen to you talk about him? Why are you even talking about him? Why does your opinion on the subject matter at all? Can you tell us, friend?

  • Tuna Ghost

    the word you’re thinking of is “allude”. I’m sure you missed that because you’re busy being a better person than us.

  • Tuna Ghost

    I take that assumption farther into assuming that you have not worked in an ER and seen youth die in front of you from drug overdose. I assume you have never seen neglected or abused children who have drug addicted parents. I may be wrong in these assumptions about you. But I am not wrong in the fact that the “casual drug use” practiced and preached by Crowley is a bad thing.

    That’s a big assumption, friend. I’ve seen all these things. I bet a lot of us have. We do, after all, live in the “real world” you’re describing here. And many of us still use drugs recreationally.

    And can we stop with the personal anecdotes? None of us know you. Your past experiences, unless you back them up with statistics or facts or something are of no use to us.

  • Tuna Ghost

    …I’m beginning to think you haven’t done much research on anything on this topic. You’re using Plato, who asked all the right questions and got all the answers wrong (by his own admission), and Aristotle, who thought women were not fully human, as authorities to which you appeal?

  • Anonymous

    I was wondering….do you ever take a shit? I have a great source for colon cleaner. This stuff really works.
    Try it…you’ll feel better!

    http://www.drnatura.com/

  • Adam

    “I could care less about the spelling of Crowley’s book title, or whether or not he just “pretends” to be a Satanist inwardly or actually believes what he is writing or saying.”

    Really? Then why label yourself as Anti-Crowley and try to consistently make points with inaccurate information, as when you say things like: “Crowley made his anti-Christian belief structure because he hated Christianity and worshiped Satan. If you would like to continue to follow Aleister’s teachings don’t claim Atheism.” But you don’t care what his beliefs actually were, despite that being the entire basis for our conversation (as Tuna Ghost quite clearly pointed out). And then you pull a nice rhetorical trick by changing the subject and your whole point of attack: “They guy “inspired” the drug use and sexual revolution of the 70′s which is responsible for the wide spread drug problem that has plagued the country since.” What exactly does this have to do with AC’s philosophical beliefs? What does it have to do with our conversation? You’re free to post here, just be expected to back up your claims accurately and originally, rather than trying to change the subject and making sweeping generalizations.

    “Lets hear about how your helping the poor and sacrificing for those in desperate need.”

    Well, let’s see…I work as a teacher with autistic, mentally disturbed, and underprivileged children in my own community, and while I don’t proselytize or preach to the poor and homeless here in central California (which has one of the worst poverty rates in the U.S.), I consistently treat those people with both dignity and respect as human beings; I live in a very poor neighborhood, and I see and interact with drug addicts of all types on a daily basis, aside from what I deal with at my job. Your horror stories about the evils of drug addiction do not faze me; I see and contend with the same thing every day. But no, I’m not a missionary, nor do I claim to be nor would I want to be one. And yes, I have traveled the world, I’ve been to Europe and Mexico several times, entirely for personal recreational purposes, and no, I did not purchase any illegal substances in said countries (not that it would be any of your intrusive, self-righteous business). If you’re so against drug use, then I’m assuming you don’t smoke, drink alcohol, take prescription pain medications, muscle relaxants, mood stabilizers, anti-depressants, or use caffeine. Because those are all “drugs.” Have you ever seen a bipolar twelve-year-old without the morning soda usually given to him by his tweaker parents? I’m guessing you have based on the glowing description you gave of yourself and your work with addicts, so you know they are absolutely insane without their completely legal drug. I’m going to assume the major difference between the two of us in this area is the fact that I don’t try to weasel in my religious beliefs as a prerequisite for helping people.

    However, none of that is (or should be) relevant to our conversation. The fact that you’re trying to call my personal character into question because I called you out on your inept research and judgmental attitude, again speaks volumes about you. You sir, ARE a douchebag. Age does not automatically confer wisdom or moral authority, but per your example, it certainly does seem to confer a smug and sanctimonious personality. Have a nice day.

  • Madpoet0

    You are a nut case.

  • Madpoet0

    Bullying people into accepting your view of the world is self-preservation?
    You are a perfect example of the type of people this world does not need.
    You’re also an excellent example of the type of person that needs my 10 commandments.

  • Madpoet0

    Stating the facts of history is not an attack on Christians, but it does expose you and yours for the hypocrites you are.

  • Madpoet0

    No

  • Madpoet0

    Why, you don’t like competition?

  • Madpoet0

    No, nor can he produce what he claims.

  • Madpoet0

    Then stop wearing it.

  • Madpoet0

    No, cooperation in an effort to make society more like what Jesus wanted.

  • Madpoet0

    No, just you and people like you.

  • Madpoet0

    No, just you and people like you.

  • Madpoet0

    No, just you and people like you.

  • Madpoet0

    No, just you and people like you.

  • Madpoet0

    Save that for Catholic clergy.

  • Madpoet0

    The world is round, flat head!

  • Madpoet0

    Honestly you are clueless.

  • Anonymous

    30000 scholors can each read 30000 books and we still have 30000 possible idiots. Correction, including you -30001 possible idiots.

  • anti-crowley

    Ah yes Tuna Ghost, I have made a mistake and you have corrected it. Great name by the way, why do I imagine you in a trench coat getting ready to shoot a bunch of kids at your school because you hate your dad?

  • anti-crowley

    Tuna Ghost…how about giving GoodDoktorBad a little lesson on the proper spelling of doctor.

    30001 possible idiots, or we can add up the 6 pale faced Satanists that are on this site, starting their own sinagogue and appointing themselves Rev. I think your mascara is running gooddoctorbad.

  • anti-crowley

    Tuna Ghost…how about giving GoodDoktorBad a little lesson on the proper spelling of doctor.

    30001 possible idiots, or we can add up the 6 pale faced Satanists that are on this site, starting their own sinagogue and appointing themselves Rev. I think your mascara is running gooddoctorbad.

  • anti-crowley

    Correct, it is a big assumption. I have another one, lets see is you can swallow this one. I assume that the author of this post will never get these “10 commandment” past this webpage into any significant area of society. That’s right tuna ghost, looks like they are doomed to stay in the circles of disturbed teenagers and adults who live with their parents. You can get high and talk about how profound they are to your drugged up buddies.

  • anti-crowley

    “or for adults that think they are more important than anyone else.”

    Is that what you are calling a bully? Not a very good quality I agree, but that does not make them an enemy of the cooperative.

    I am an example of someone who believes in the RIGHT to free speech and Right of religious freedom. Which if according to your commandments we keep, would make you someone who is trying to offend those rights. That would make you an enemy to your own commandments. But I am sure you see yourself as the ruler over all of this and able to decide that free speech and religion are not rights under the tyrannical rule you are trying to sell. The kind of rule that benefits only those who agree with you and punishes those who disagree.

  • anti-crowley

    Actually it is an attack because you are selective in what you present, and they are not “facts” just because you call them facts, even if your circle of satanists agree with you madpoet0. Shall we discuss the murderous history of Pagans? How about the Occult?

  • anti-crowley

    Your beginning to THINK! That’s great tuna ghost, I suggest you make that a habit from here on out. I was referring to the usage of the word. Society deemed it a valid enough opinion to keep the word around. Guess they should have consulted with the occultist of the time for approval eh.

  • anti-crowley

    Your beginning to THINK! That’s great tuna ghost, I suggest you make that a habit from here on out. I was referring to the usage of the word. Society deemed it a valid enough opinion to keep the word around. Guess they should have consulted with the occultist of the time for approval eh.

  • anti-crowley

    yes

  • anti-crowley

    yes

  • anti-crowley

    Like you I despise the thought of non violence. Actually it was a comment dripping with sarcasm.

  • anti-crowley

    Like you I despise the thought of non violence. Actually it was a comment dripping with sarcasm.

  • anti-crowley

    Asshole defined: Any person who in part or wholly disagree with the opinion of Margolin’s beliefs AND use free speech to voice it.

    There sorry I forgot to mention the crime of free speech in there.

  • anti-crowley

    You won’t catch me defending the Vatican brother!

  • anti-crowley

    Got me madpoet0, please don’t call me a poopyhead though, I don’t know if I could take it. Or better yet, if you convince everyone that you are rubber and I am glue….

  • anti-crowley

    Got me madpoet0, please don’t call me a poopyhead though, I don’t know if I could take it. Or better yet, if you convince everyone that you are rubber and I am glue….

  • anti-crowley

    Correction tuna ghost. YOU don’t care about someone who works in orphanages. Most people are no like you tuna. The “ridiculous” war against drugs? You must not live anywhere near the Southern border of the US. You think it’s ridiculous because you are most likely a user…..oh, that one is going to strike a nerve in the tuna ghost. The subject here is not Crowley, it is this madpoet0 character who has purposed a tyrannical form of government, something neither him or you are experts in. None of you are experts in Christian theology or politics, yet that didn’t stop you from diarrhea of the mouth on the subjects. Do you honestly wonder why some druggy Satanist is being questioned for purposing a way to run our country? My opinion matters because I would be subject to these commandments if they were implemented. Madpoet suggests how to run my life, I suggest he should stop using drugs and stop thinking he knows what is best for the entire human race.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, I stand humiliated by that nonsense. Besides I haven’t worn mascara since the eighties -and when I did -I looked awsome….

  • anti-crowley

    I labeled myself anti-crowley so people would know exactly where I was going before they even read my post, think of it like the subject line. You failed to address several topics. One, I asked if you used drugs as a rhetorical question to emphasize the next question. Which was did Crowley used drugs and recommended it to others? The answer to that one is yes as well. As my expertise in Crowley you are right again, not an expert. That is why I posted the statement from John Symonds. Why should we accept your estimate of Crowley over 60 years after his death over Symonds who was a personal associate of him.

    If I am self righteous then what does it say about Madpoet0 who decided his proposed 10 commandments should be adhered to by the entire human race. Sounds to me Adam that you are contributing to society a little more than was suggested earlier, that is by just being unique. If you are being honest as well about your work (I do believe you by the way) then that is great and maybe you should post articles commensurate with that life. Crowley taught Satanism and the existence of supernatural entities. If he didn’t actually believe in what he was teaching (as you say) then maybe he should have been a little more genuine about what he was teaching.

    As the resident expert in Crowley here, was he a heroin addict? Did he tell others to use mind altering drugs?

    Do you place Mountain due on the same level as heroin?

    Where is your information coming from on Crowley that cannot be found in the Internet?

    If only Crowley experts should be allowed to post here, then keep your posts off of the public forum and in your occult circles. Don’t push them on the rest of society if you don’t like resistance. If you resort to slander and name calling then expect people to defend their character as I did. To respond to character defense with accusations of self righteousness is absurd. I’m sure you would love to be able to call people names and run away, but that is cowardly and ignorant.

  • anti-crowley

    I hear meth and crack do wonders to loosen the bowels as well, perhaps you could point me to a good dealer?

  • Anonymous

    Dude, you’re a seething loon. A zealot. Possessed. Obsesssed. Repressed. Your silly stabs are pathetic.

    With your every word you brand yourself a fool…..

  • Madpoet0

    “Flagged” Soliciting drugs on Disinfo.com shame on you! Hey aren’t you that TV evangelist that got busted doing meth with a gay prostitute?

  • Madpoet0

    you are clueless but at least your are a shining example to others what not to be like.

  • Madpoet0

    no

  • Tuna Ghost

    hahaha funny you should say that. Isn’t it funny, Doktor?

  • Tuna Ghost

    Truth be told I find them pretty pompous and adolescent, disturbingly so given that the author is apparently pushing fifty. No one here would be surprised to discover that they won’t go anywhere beyond the internet, probably not even the author. Quite the opposite, actually.

    Look buddy you gotta knock it off with the assumptions. They reveal more about you than I think you realize.

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to the Circle of the 6 Pale Faced Satanists. Together, we can bask in the glory forever,,,
    Let’s put a hex on sumthin’
    Smooooooches!

  • Tuna Ghost

    You’re so wrong.

    It’s because I want to fuck my mom, genius. With a crucifix. While I’m high on crack. That’s why I’m going to shoot a bunch of kids.

  • Tuna Ghost

    The “ridiculous” war against drugs? You must not live anywhere near the Southern border of the US.

    The war on drugs is directly responsible for the chaos there. The war on drugs is what puts money and power into the hands of very bad people. The war on drugs is why you see the suffering you claim to see everyday. This is no longer even debated, guy. This is widely recognized, both by government agencies and victim support organizations. Why are you so out of the loop, friend?

    The subject here is not Crowley,…

    Yes, it was. Because that’s what you guys were talking about. Now you’re switching the subject because you were called out and proven to not actually know anything about him.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Why should we accept your estimate of Crowley over 60 years after his death over Symonds who was a personal associate of him.

    1. Objectivity
    2. Symonds reputation as a biased resource
    3. Adam’s reports that coincide with what is written about Crowley in legitimate sources

    Some people do research, you see. That’s what we learned to do in University.

    If I am self righteous then what does it say about Madpoet0 who decided his proposed 10 commandments should be adhered to by the entire human race.

    That you’re both self-righteous and clueless, probably. This comes as a surprise to nobody, I am sure.

    Where is your information coming from on Crowley that cannot be found in the Internet?

    Probably where mine comes from: books. Many many books. Your local library has them.

    If only Crowley experts should be allowed to post here, then keep your posts off of the public forum and in your occult circles

    Disino is part of the occult community, friend. If you want to learn about Crowley, you can come here and learn about him. Look around a bit.

    But really, if you don’t know much about Crowley and have no interest in learning about Crowley, why do you continue to ask questions and offer opinions? What value, exactly, do you see in your opinions of him, given your lack of information and lack of desire to get information? What value do your views have for the audience? Why should we listen to you, when you’ve admitted you don’t know of what you speak? Or are you talking just to hear your own voice, so to speak? Can you answer these questions without telling us what bad people we are and what a good person you are? Can you, friend?

  • Adam

    “As the resident expert in Crowley here, was he a heroin addict? Did he tell others to use mind altering drugs?”

    I’m not the resident Crowley expert, nor did I claim to be; this is Disinfo boss, half the people on here could be considered “experts” on the guy. And yes, he did end his life as a serious heroin addict and advocated drug use as a means to both alter and improve one’s consciousness, given that one paid rigorous attention to detail and discipline; this last aspect is admittedly very ironic considering Crowley ended up developing a serious addiction and “weakness” completely contrary to his personal code of ethics. Again, I don’t care if you post comments regarding whatever subject, but if you don’t know what you’re talking about, expect people who do to call you out on it; I’m sure you feel the same way.

    “Do you place Mountain due on the same level as heroin?”

    No, but I would place alcohol and prescription painkillers on the same level; think of that what you will.

    “Where is your information coming from on Crowley that cannot be found in the Internet?”

    Well, golly, you stumped me; books, I guess? Israel Regardie is a good pro-Crowley source (also a personal associate of AC and he had choice words to say about Symonds and anyone who thought of Crowley as a Satanist), and Lawrence Sutin wrote an excellent, very balanced biography called “Do What Thou Wilt” that treats the man neither as a divine prophet or as an evil demon in human form, but simply as a cultural phenomenon. Then of course there’s Robert Anton Wilson, but virtually everything he wrote would likely piss you off.

    Frankly, I could give a fuck less about MadPoet’s commandments. This is neither a condemnation or an endorsement of them, but I just saw a big fat discussion on this article and decided to get in on it for kicks; I know, silly me. Sometimes I just can’t resist the fundie baiting.

    As for personal drug use…yes I sometimes use illegal substances, but I stick to marijuana and entheogens; no synthetic shit for me, thank you. If you think that makes me deluded, or a bad person, or just a loser in your estimation well then so be it, I certainly wouldn’t expect much less of a judgment from you. And you are a self-righteous, judgmental person, it’s patently obvious.

    By all means, continue to feel superior and very well-versed in the grand game of life; if I was a betting man (I’m not, never been a vice I could get into), then I would say that you, like virtually everyone on this planet, will be VERY surprised when the last moments come. Or do you have “God’s Will” figured out as well? I use those terms because they likely hold a personal meaning for you, and can basically mean anything an individual wants them to, regardless of one’s personal belief or thought system. Point being: you are in the same boat as everyone else here, whether you, they, or even I want to admit it; at the very core of your being, you doubt, you question, you search, you argue, you hope, you fear. To quote one of the great philosophers of our age: “it’s all just a ride.” Have a good one.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, Jim Morrison, Linda Blair, Richard Pryor and Barney the dinosaur together in one eeeeevil body.
    You’ll make a great addition to the Circle of the 6 Pale-face Satanists! Rock on….

  • Madpoet0

    Thank You Disinfo and readers for making my Ten Commandments a featured article.

  • Madpoet0

    Thank You Disinfo and readers for making my Ten Commandments a featured article.

  • http://twitter.com/KnifeDogg ”Knife” Sotelo

    HAH just shut up already, you’re far from the point I was making anyways. I never said anything about following these commandments nor replacing the old ones (at least not yet). There’s a couple “Ten Commandment Alternatives” that I’m already familiar with ie. Dawkins and Hitchens, Hell the Georgia Guidestones are way better than the biblical commandments and trust me several alternative versions have been created so this is nothing new and no consensus exists as to a single authoritative version anyways.

    P.S. I’m a Catholic ;)

  • Guest

    Interesting that #10 would put love as the law… but love under will.. what if i will not to love ? would that law still be in place – if its my will that should prevail ?

  • Guest

    Interesting that #10 would put love as the law… but love under will.. what if i will not to love ? would that law still be in place – if its my will that should prevail ?

  • Tuna Ghost

    This is how you make excuses for not knowing what you’re talking about, isn’t it.

    C’mon guy. Admit it. You haven’t actually read any philosophy, and your theology is completely mainstream. It’s shameful, sure, but we can talk about something else if you want, like why your dedication to being a good person didn’t leave time for a decent education.

  • Tuna Ghost

    By the by, Crowley was prescribed morphine for his lukemia, a common practice at the time. He did not use heroin recreationally nor did he recommend heroin to people.

  • anti-crowley

    no infinite.

  • anti-crowley

    I mean yes infinite…crap!

  • anti-crowley

    Georgia guidestones? So you believe the world population should be reduced to 500,000,000? Are you a fan of Eugenics? I assume that by the parenthetical statement “at least not yet” you mean that you are waiting for the Vatican to revise the Old Testament.

    P.S. The Roman Catholic Church is hardly a change from the Mystics, Satanist, Gnostic, Cabal ect.

  • anti-crowley

    A big part of why I posted on hear is because I didn’t see any balance that is suppose to be the hallmark of Disinfo. Just a bunch of Crowley’s making out with each other and telling one another how brilliant they are. That and I have stumbled on some pretty entertaining debate here, at least by a few of you.

    Books? You mean the ones that are a plenty in digital form on the internet? Can you seriously not find Crowley’s work on the web? It takes all of about 5 minutes.

    Anyway, got a flight to catch. You all can continue your self fellatio, free of dissent!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lanceaworth Lance Worth

    I LOVE THIS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lanceaworth Lance Worth

    I LOVE THIS.

  • sssseth

    So, though I’m sure Anti-Crowley and I would probably disagree on most things, but he is entertaining and seemingly intelligent. Which makes me wonder, why he would assume everyone on this site to be on drugs, a teenager, or some basement dwelling loser adult? Is it really that hard to picture any actual freethinking, intelligent and responsible adults using this site? Why so much hate for drugs and sex? Have you ever thought that maybe drugs and sex aren’t the problems but the irresponsible ways in which people use and practice them are? Ignorant use or practice of anything potentially dangerous can be life damaging, but that doesn’t make cars or guns the root problem. As far as mind altering, our own bodies release “mind altering” substances all the time, which give us emotions that we often become addicted to, why not choose to alter your own mind and gain a different perspective from time to time? It could become a crutch if you let it, the same way people become overly dependent on the emotional addictions of religion or even sports for that matter.

    I was interested to read the 10 New Commandments, but certainly can’t agree with them. Earlier I questioned the “Synagogue of Satan” and was politely corrected that it’s actually the “SINagogue of Satan.” Which is fine, you guys do your thing, but I have to say that whole shock value thing is so tired. As is the idea of being proud of being a “sinner”, or what that would even mean to a group of people who don’t believe that sin is actually wrong in the first place. I’m fairly well read on Christianity and religion in general and I’ve always read that to sin was to “miss the mark”, to go against your personal best, and idea I (and probably a satanist) could get behind, not to break some detached deities moral code.

    I’m new at posting, but have read comments forever, don’t be gentle.

  • Madpoet0

    You are making the same mistake Fred Phelps and folks make.
    Harassment and freedom of speech are two different things.
    You harass people under the guise of Freedom of speech just like Phelps and friends.

  • Tuna Ghost

    So, though I’m sure Anti-Crowley and I would probably disagree on most things, but he is entertaining and seemingly intelligent.

    I would…strongly disagree with that statement, to put it mildly.

    Which is fine, you guys do your thing, but I have to say that whole shock value thing is so tired.

    I doubt many (if any) people here are actual Satanists, either in the baby-sacrificing sense or the far more boring Anton Lavey watered-down Nietzsche stuff, for the reason you just mentioned.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, the definition of respect is to “look again”. “re” – again “spect” -to look, to see, to witness
    The modern meanings are much more diverse of course, but they branch off from this basic concept.

    respect (n.)
    c.1300, from L. respectus “regard,” lit. “act of looking back at one,” pp. of respicere “look back at, regard, consider,” from re- “back” + specere “look at” (see scope (1)). The verb is 1540s, from the noun. Meaning “treat with deferential regard or esteem” is from 1550s.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=respect

  • Anonymous

    That was absolute rubbish. Ethics and our way of life came from the enlightenment. Not christianity. Our founders were in no way devout christians. They were free thinkers and deist. The despised the rigid philosophy of the church and recognized that religion had no place in the founding of the US. They made this abundantly clear to anyone who takes the time to read their works and doesn’t fall victim to the lies and propoganda of the religous right.

  • Hueffenhardt

    Here are mine:
    1) Strive to use your best judgment. Realize that these guidelines are aspirational in nature. Their intent is to guide and inspire toward the very highest ethical ideals. There may be times when the most appropriate course is to supercede one of these principles, so use your best judgment. Practice moderation – you need not run faster than you have strength.

    2) Strive to limit the harm one causes. Be aware of the possible consequences of your actions, and make a reasonable effort to not cause unnecessary injury or obstruction or damage. This includes harm to one’s self, others, all living things and the environment. This does not mean that you should seclude yourself so as to limit the chances of doing anyone harm and it is understood that by living you will cause some harm – you have to eat something, your body fights bacteria, you will produce some waste products, etc. Be reasonable with one’s expectations on this point.

    3) Strive to benefit one’s self, others, and the environment. In as much as it is possible, and with respect for the desires of others (i.e., don’t help when your help is reasonably not wanted), help all to live healthily and adaptively.

    4) Strive to be trustworthy. Excepting times when honesty puts others in danger, seek to be honest in your dealings with others. Hold in confidence information that should be kept confidential. Act with integrity and be true and honest with one’s self.

    5) Strive to take appropriate responsibility for one’s actions. Keep your word and uphold your commitments. Repair the damage your actions may have caused. Sincerely apologize to, and if possible reimburse, individuals you may have injured. Know the laws and what is expected of you. Once you have done what you can to right your wrongs, forgive yourself and move on.

    6) Strive to be fair and just. Inasmuch as possible practice equity. Be aware of and try to limit the influence of one’s biases and prejudices.

    7) Strive to respect and protect the rights and dignity of one’s self, others, and all of creation. It is not enough to ensure that you are not mistreating others, you must strive for social justice for humans and the humane treatment of animals. All people have a right to self-determination. Special safeguards may be necessary to protect the rights and welfare of persons or communities whose vulnerabilities impair autonomous decision making.

    8) Strive to be patient and forgiving. Try to have patience with one’s self, others, and anticipated events in life. Free yourself of the bondage of resentment and prolonged disappointment.

    9) Strive to gain understanding. Knowledge enables one to make better use of that which is available and helps one to successfully adapt to one’s environment.

    10) Strive to love, show empathy, and be compassionate. We are a social species and for much of our lives are dependent on one another. It is important to our well-being and mental and emotional health to have strong relationships with others. Loving is satisfying to the soul and beautiful. Empathy and compassion can calm arguments and disagreements.

  • Hueffenhardt

    Here are mine:
    1) Strive to use your best judgment. Realize that these guidelines are aspirational in nature. Their intent is to guide and inspire toward the very highest ethical ideals. There may be times when the most appropriate course is to supercede one of these principles, so use your best judgment. Practice moderation – you need not run faster than you have strength.

    2) Strive to limit the harm one causes. Be aware of the possible consequences of your actions, and make a reasonable effort to not cause unnecessary injury or obstruction or damage. This includes harm to one’s self, others, all living things and the environment. This does not mean that you should seclude yourself so as to limit the chances of doing anyone harm and it is understood that by living you will cause some harm – you have to eat something, your body fights bacteria, you will produce some waste products, etc. Be reasonable with one’s expectations on this point.

    3) Strive to benefit one’s self, others, and the environment. In as much as it is possible, and with respect for the desires of others (i.e., don’t help when your help is reasonably not wanted), help all to live healthily and adaptively.

    4) Strive to be trustworthy. Excepting times when honesty puts others in danger, seek to be honest in your dealings with others. Hold in confidence information that should be kept confidential. Act with integrity and be true and honest with one’s self.

    5) Strive to take appropriate responsibility for one’s actions. Keep your word and uphold your commitments. Repair the damage your actions may have caused. Sincerely apologize to, and if possible reimburse, individuals you may have injured. Know the laws and what is expected of you. Once you have done what you can to right your wrongs, forgive yourself and move on.

    6) Strive to be fair and just. Inasmuch as possible practice equity. Be aware of and try to limit the influence of one’s biases and prejudices.

    7) Strive to respect and protect the rights and dignity of one’s self, others, and all of creation. It is not enough to ensure that you are not mistreating others, you must strive for social justice for humans and the humane treatment of animals. All people have a right to self-determination. Special safeguards may be necessary to protect the rights and welfare of persons or communities whose vulnerabilities impair autonomous decision making.

    8) Strive to be patient and forgiving. Try to have patience with one’s self, others, and anticipated events in life. Free yourself of the bondage of resentment and prolonged disappointment.

    9) Strive to gain understanding. Knowledge enables one to make better use of that which is available and helps one to successfully adapt to one’s environment.

    10) Strive to love, show empathy, and be compassionate. We are a social species and for much of our lives are dependent on one another. It is important to our well-being and mental and emotional health to have strong relationships with others. Loving is satisfying to the soul and beautiful. Empathy and compassion can calm arguments and disagreements.

  • Madpoet0

    Thank you I wish there were a million more like you.
    Jefferson and Adams and more made this very clear.
    http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/nation.html

  • Madpoet0

    Thank you I wish there were a million more like you.
    Jefferson and Adams and more made this very clear.
    http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/nation.html

  • Madpoet0

    Thank you I wish there were a million more like you.
    Jefferson and Adams and more made this very clear.
    http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/nation.html

  • Jawz

    I’d agree with everything except #6 and a view within #8.

    #6 would depend on either a thiestic or non-thiestic view concerning heaven’s rewards. Being thiestic, I’d live for ‘rewards of heaven’. I don’t believe in rewards as gold, virgins, or anything materialistic (which is really a sad/cliche/corrupt view of heavenly rewards, but I believe the reward is social order, thus is why I give up my selfish desires for the sake of others rather than live for only my sake. Trying to retrieve my own happiness would contradict many of these commandments. #6 sounds like a full opposite statment compared to #5.

    #8 is a panthiestic view. Being theistic, I wouldn’t agree with the community making up God. However, being thiestic, I’d say that the community makes up the Kingdom of God which goes back to my view of #6; heaven being social order rather than something materialistic fueled by crappy desires for things which harm order. Of course though, this isn’t argument with the full context of the statment, but just with the definition of God and the peaceful community it mentions.

  • Jawz

    I’d agree with everything except #6 and a view within #8.

    #6 would depend on either a thiestic or non-thiestic view concerning heaven’s rewards. Being thiestic, I’d live for ‘rewards of heaven’. I don’t believe in rewards as gold, virgins, or anything materialistic (which is really a sad/cliche/corrupt view of heavenly rewards, but I believe the reward is social order, thus is why I give up my selfish desires for the sake of others rather than live for only my sake. Trying to retrieve my own happiness would contradict many of these commandments. #6 sounds like a full opposite statment compared to #5.

    #8 is a panthiestic view. Being theistic, I wouldn’t agree with the community making up God. However, being thiestic, I’d say that the community makes up the Kingdom of God which goes back to my view of #6; heaven being social order rather than something materialistic fueled by crappy desires for things which harm order. Of course though, this isn’t argument with the full context of the statment, but just with the definition of God and the peaceful community it mentions.

  • supervexi

    There seems to be a lot of vitriol spewing about here in the comments. Many complaints/concerns have been raised, and a few of them have actually been dealt with in a civil and serious manner. There are, however, a few that were either dismissed or ignored, and I would like to raise them again:

    - While most of these ‘commandments’ espouse nice sentiments, a few of them aren’t really commandments at all, and most are vague/unenforceable/subjective to the extreme.

    - I expect that the OP would suggest that these commandments could or should apply to all humankind. I further expect that he would support the idea that we can all freely choose our own religious or spiritual beliefs. Yet this list has an embedded belief system every bit as specific and exclusive as that found in the original Ten Commandments.

    - If we are presuming the existence of a TRUE belief system, and that the enemy of the success of a commandment list is the lack of cooperation, then I would say the only benefit of your list over the original would be if your belief system were TRUE. If the original’s belief system is TRUE, then only the lack of cooperation in following the laws laid down prevent a better society – not the list itself.

    - It seems that reading #5 after #1 means that anyone who follows this list would become an enemy of the cooperative. After all, virtually every coercive system of rule is founded on the ability of the group to deprive individuals of their rights – although it is always couched rather more gently than this.

    Interesting debate!

    • Madpoet0

      “every coercive system of rule is founded on the ability of the group to deprive individuals of their rights”
      This isn’t a system of rule, it is a code of conduct that encourages social cooperation and personal responsibility. In fact rule would decrease due to a lack of a need for it. The more we can do for ourselves the less government we need. The more we cooperate and respect each others rights the more crime will decline.

  • Anonymous

    There seems to be a lot of vitriol spewing about here in the comments. Many complaints/concerns have been raised, and a few of them have actually been dealt with in a civil and serious manner. There are, however, a few that were either dismissed or ignored, and I would like to raise them again:

    - While most of these ‘commandments’ espouse nice sentiments, a few of them aren’t really commandments at all, and most are vague/unenforceable/subjective to the extreme.

    - I expect that the OP would suggest that these commandments could or should apply to all humankind. I further expect that he would support the idea that we can all freely choose our own religious or spiritual beliefs. Yet this list has an embedded belief system every bit as specific and exclusive as that found in the original Ten Commandments.

    - If we are presuming the existence of a TRUE belief system, and that the enemy of the success of a commandment list is the lack of cooperation, then I would say the only benefit of your list over the original would be if your belief system were TRUE. If the original’s belief system is TRUE, then only the lack of cooperation in following the laws laid down prevent a better society – not the list itself.

    - It seems that reading #5 after #1 means that anyone who follows this list would become an enemy of the cooperative. After all, virtually every coercive system of rule is founded on the ability of the group to deprive individuals of their rights – although it is always couched rather more gently than this.

    Interesting debate!

  • http://twitter.com/GardenOfChaos Allison H

    UGH, Why are people so focused on calling something from a name from an old used up theology? Be more creative.

    • Madpoet0

      It’s called exploitation, it’s %99 of advertising.
      My 10 commandments would not have received the views it did if I named it “My Ten General guide lines for a pleasant society ”

      • Jahopson Tx

        Hahaha! Good answer, dude!

  • http://twitter.com/GardenOfChaos Allison H

    UGH, Why are people so focused on calling something from a name from an old used up theology? Be more creative.

  • ChinaLaowai

    Of all the stories in the Bible, the description of Moses receiving, destroying, and again receiving the Ten Commandments certainly has great potential for disinformation. I have always believed what was written on the first set of tablets was different from the second set. We can only know what was on the second set, since Moses destroyed the first (and even that is hearsay). It seems likely that Moses and/or “god”, in anger, revamped the second set of commandments to create suffering and misery, as punishment for a loss of faith by the freed Hebrew slaves.

    Yours is as good a substitute as any.

  • ChinaLaowai

    Of all the stories in the Bible, the description of Moses receiving, destroying, and again receiving the Ten Commandments certainly has great potential for disinformation. I have always believed what was written on the first set of tablets was different from the second set. We can only know what was on the second set, since Moses destroyed the first (and even that is hearsay). It seems likely that Moses and/or “god”, in anger, revamped the second set of commandments to create suffering and misery, as punishment for a loss of faith by the freed Hebrew slaves.

    Yours is as good a substitute as any.

  • ChinaLaowai

    Of all the stories in the Bible, the description of Moses receiving, destroying, and again receiving the Ten Commandments certainly has great potential for disinformation. I have always believed what was written on the first set of tablets was different from the second set. We can only know what was on the second set, since Moses destroyed the first (and even that is hearsay). It seems likely that Moses and/or “god”, in anger, revamped the second set of commandments to create suffering and misery, as punishment for a loss of faith by the freed Hebrew slaves.

    Yours is as good a substitute as any.

  • Garathorn

    Eh…think I’ll stick w/the Original. Can’t trust a plain old human to come up w/anything really good.

  • Garathorn

    Eh…think I’ll stick w/the Original. Can’t trust a plain old human to come up w/anything really good.

  • http://twitter.com/audiotruther Audio Truther

    There only Law you need 2 know and thats don’t f*ck with Audio Truther
    http://www.audiotruther.blogspot.com

  • Ben L.

    I’ve read extensively and carefully from the Bible. I can’t remember where the NT has anything to say against slavery. Can you tell me where to look? Thanks.

  • Reasonable Individual

    who the fuck are you to try to box everyone that is a Baptist or Pentecostal as being hateful and asinine?

    I grew up in both of those churches, and couldnt imagine a more caring community than that fostered by those people.

    Implying that anyone who is in that denomination is hateful shows your own ignorance. And it is a slap in the face of people like my dear grandmother, who has shown nothing but kindness to everyone she has met.

    You seem like someone trying to come off as smarter than they actually are. Maybe you should rethink your words before displaying your own ignorance.

    Hope the advice helps you. I truly do (although if you are like most anti-religious people who try to be more intellectual than they actually are, you won’t head helpful advice and instead try to attack comments meant to help you)

  • Reasonable Individual

    You know…disregard my post. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and who am I to judge someone just because they have an opinion that is contradictory to mine.

  • Reasonable Individual

    You know…disregard my post. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and who am I to judge someone just because they have an opinion that is contradictory to mine.

  • Prodrummer143

    your view on the ten commandments are astounding!, perhaps in another culture, or of an other world, but as far
    as Christianity, you have absolutely no idea of what the concepts are, obviously as you make up your own ideas
    of what it should be, Are you a minister, or a priest?, have you taken any seminary courses or classes?, I think not.. You should re-evaluate your writings “young prophet” and when ready… please state your theory to the concept of real theologians who might…. MIGHT take you seriously. but then yet… this is my opinion as a Minister of Gods word.

    • Madpoet0

      I was not raised with Christianity so I am not a Christian.
      I am an ordained minister of U.L.C.M. and went on to make my own religion,
      http://www.sosatan.org which is based on freedom of religion for freedom of religion undermines religion by taking away the “I’m right, you’re wrong” issue. Making everyone is right for themselves. It applies to my own religion as well for I didn’t want my religion to become the next bully on the block. I neutered “God” in all religions and put the reins of society in the hands of the secular. At least the secular do not live to fulfill “End of the World” prophecies.

      • supervexi

        Wait, wait, wait! Let me get this straight…

        In order to undermine religion, and hand the reigns of society to the secular, you started a religion, based on freedom of religion?

        I mean, come on.

        I went to your website, and it is clear that you are aware of how preposterous your claim in. Maybe you even revel in it a bit. I cannot help but catch a tongue-in-cheek vibe as I read your main page. But a question or two for you:

        If any member of your church is free to believe whatever they wish, why would they join? They could continue believing what they have all along in some sort of religious community that shares those beliefs. And it definitely seems that you are promoting a bit, having read through all of the comments on this article.

        If the real aim of your religion is to destroy religion, and convert the world to secularism (and presumably that the main shared characteristic of your followers is a lack of real belief or faith in their ‘beliefs’) why muck about with all the spiritual and religious trappings. Further, why adopt not an anti-religious tone, but a specifically anti-Judeo-Christian one? After all, the ideas of Satan being the negation of God depend on a very specific idea of God. One that is incompatible with many belief-systems.

        Finally, do you not recognize the distinction between freedom of religion, and a system that mandates that all beliefs are equally valid, and none are better or more right or wrong? After all, in most countries in the world today, we HAVE freedom of religion. What we don’t have, and what I suspect you want, is freedom FROM religion.

        Ah, one last thing, more or a comment really. Saying that a group of people aren’t living in order to bring about the end of the world is hardly a glowing endorsement.

        • Madpoet0

          Most join because they hate their church but love their religion and in the 12 years of our existence we have proven to our members, unlike others we practice what we preach.

  • Prodrummer143

    your view on the ten commandments are astounding!, perhaps in another culture, or of an other world, but as far
    as Christianity, you have absolutely no idea of what the concepts are, obviously as you make up your own ideas
    of what it should be, Are you a minister, or a priest?, have you taken any seminary courses or classes?, I think not.. You should re-evaluate your writings “young prophet” and when ready… please state your theory to the concept of real theologians who might…. MIGHT take you seriously. but then yet… this is my opinion as a Minister of Gods word.

  • Madpoet0

    It’s Christians like you that help to give Christianity a good name.
    It’s Christians like Anti-Crowley that the rest of us think of when we hear the name Christian.

  • Madpoet0

    You don’t use freedom of speech, you EXPLOIT IT!
    You HARASS people under the guise of FREEDOM of SPEECH!
    It’s actions like these that threaten our constitution, not rules that ask us to respect each others right to live un-harassed. When this point is exposed to the general public enough the Supreme Court will reverse its ruling on Fred Phelps & Co.

  • Madpoet0

    You don’t use freedom of speech you abuse it and then you hide behind it when you are called to the mat for your abuses.

  • Madpoet0

    I was not raised with Christianity so I am not a Christian.
    I am an ordained minister of U.L.C.M. and went on to make my own religion,
    http://www.sosatan.org which is based on freedom of religion for freedom of religion undermines religion by taking away the “I’m right, you’re wrong” issue. Making everyone is right for themselves. It applies to my own religion as well for I didn’t want my religion to become the next bully on the block. I neutered “God” in all religions and put the reins of society in the hands of the secular. At least the secular do not live to fulfill “End of the World” prophecies.

  • Adam

    Look, I grew up in a religious Christian household as well, and although I never shared the faith of my parents or grandparents (and they all knew that), I still had respect for the way they practiced it; in addition, a lot of folks at the church they attended were and are very good people: kind, hard-working, honest. I used those two denominations as examples because they have a reputation as being part of the more fundamentalist, intolerant strain in American Christianity, and they seemed appropriate for the point I was making. Was I also making an unfair assumption about the people in those churches? Yes, and for that I sincerely apologize; I really don’t assume all Christians are judgmental hypocrites or bigots.

    Sorry, just felt like I had to respond even though you retracted your comment; I’ve been taking this discussion a little too seriously. Peace.

  • Anonymous

    Wait, wait, wait! Let me get this straight…

    In order to undermine religion, and hand the reigns of society to the secular, you started a religion, based on freedom of religion?

    I mean, come on.

    I went to your website, and it is clear that you are aware of how preposterous your claim in. Maybe you even revel in it a bit. I cannot help but catch a tongue-in-cheek vibe as I read your main page. But a question or two for you:

    If any member of your church is free to believe whatever they wish, why would they join? They could continue believing what they have all along in some sort of religious community that shares those beliefs. And it definitely seems that you are promoting a bit, having read through all of the comments on this article.

    If the real aim of your religion is to destroy religion, and convert the world to secularism (and presumably that the main shared characteristic of your followers is a lack of real belief or faith in their ‘beliefs’) why muck about with all the spiritual and religious trappings. Further, why adopt not an anti-religious tone, but a specifically anti-Judeo-Christian one? After all, the ideas of Satan being the negation of God depend on a very specific idea of God. One that is incompatible with many belief-systems.

    Finally, do you not recognize the distinction between freedom of religion, and a system that mandates that all beliefs are equally valid, and none are better or more right or wrong? After all, in most countries in the world today, we HAVE freedom of religion. What we don’t have, and what I suspect you want, is freedom FROM religion.

    Ah, one last thing, more or a comment really. Saying that a group of people aren’t living in order to bring about the end of the world is hardly a glowing endorsement.

  • Sameguy2010

    This is laughable…some folks like to sound really informed and intellectual but are themselves highly uninformed about the matters that they speak of but…this is the internet world we live in.

  • Sameguy2010

    This is laughable…some folks like to sound really informed and intellectual but are themselves highly uninformed about the matters that they speak of but…this is the internet world we live in.

  • Sameguy2010

    This is laughable…some folks like to sound really informed and intellectual but are themselves highly uninformed about the matters that they speak of but…this is the internet world we live in.

  • Sameguy2010

    This is laughable…some folks like to sound really informed and intellectual but are themselves highly uninformed about the matters that they speak of but…this is the internet world we live in.

  • ChrisG

    That’s DISGRACEFUL.

    To Hell w/ “the cooperative”. Granted, I don’t intend to violate the rights of others, but in my world, there is NO cooperative!

    Who decides what “the needs of society” are…an all-powerful State? Is it not true that if we follow the Golden Rule (!) that “the needs of society” would be taken care of simply by our own, personal needs?

    • Madpoet0

      No, it’s not true and my proof is the current state of society.
      Christianity had 2,000 years to make this world a better place but instead we have Christians killing Christians, Muslims killing Muslims and so on.
      Religion is not the answer, but accepting personal responsibility and social activism is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

    That’s DISGRACEFUL.

    To Hell w/ “the cooperative”. Granted, I don’t intend to violate the rights of others, but in my world, there is NO cooperative!

    Who decides what “the needs of society” are…an all-powerful State? Is it not true that if we follow the Golden Rule (!) that “the needs of society” would be taken care of simply by our own, personal needs?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

    That’s DISGRACEFUL.

    To Hell w/ “the cooperative”. Granted, I don’t intend to violate the rights of others, but in my world, there is NO cooperative!

    Who decides what “the needs of society” are…an all-powerful State? Is it not true that if we follow the Golden Rule (!) that “the needs of society” would be taken care of simply by our own, personal needs?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

    That’s DISGRACEFUL.

    To Hell w/ “the cooperative”. Granted, I don’t intend to violate the rights of others, but in my world, there is NO cooperative!

    Who decides what “the needs of society” are…an all-powerful State? Is it not true that if we follow the Golden Rule (!) that “the needs of society” would be taken care of simply by our own, personal needs?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

    That’s DISGRACEFUL.

    To Hell w/ “the cooperative”. Granted, I don’t intend to violate the rights of others, but in my world, there is NO cooperative!

    Who decides what “the needs of society” are…an all-powerful State? Is it not true that if we follow the Golden Rule (!) that “the needs of society” would be taken care of simply by our own, personal needs?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

    That’s DISGRACEFUL.

    To Hell w/ “the cooperative”. Granted, I don’t intend to violate the rights of others, but in my world, there is NO cooperative!

    Who decides what “the needs of society” are…an all-powerful State? Is it not true that if we follow the Golden Rule (!) that “the needs of society” would be taken care of simply by our own, personal needs?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

    That’s DISGRACEFUL.

    To Hell w/ “the cooperative”. Granted, I don’t intend to violate the rights of others, but in my world, there is NO cooperative!

    Who decides what “the needs of society” are…an all-powerful State? Is it not true that if we follow the Golden Rule (!) that “the needs of society” would be taken care of simply by our own, personal needs?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

    That’s DISGRACEFUL.

    To Hell w/ “the cooperative”. Granted, I don’t intend to violate the rights of others, but in my world, there is NO cooperative!

    Who decides what “the needs of society” are…an all-powerful State? Is it not true that if we follow the Golden Rule (!) that “the needs of society” would be taken care of simply by our own, personal needs?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

    That’s DISGRACEFUL.

    To Hell w/ “the cooperative”. Granted, I don’t intend to violate the rights of others, but in my world, there is NO cooperative!

    Who decides what “the needs of society” are…an all-powerful State? Is it not true that if we follow the Golden Rule (!) that “the needs of society” would be taken care of simply by our own, personal needs?

  • Zuse10

    Hello Ben, Here is your Answer… Do on to others as YOU will have others do on to you… The NT does not rewrite the OLD T, it is used together so, if its in the OLD T, you must obey that what is said…

  • Madpoet0

    No, it’s not true and my proof is the current state of society.
    Christianity had 2,000 years to make this world a better place but instead we have Christians killing Christians, Muslims killing Muslims and so on.
    Religion is not the answer, but accepting personal responsibility and social activism is.

  • Madpoet0

    Most join because they hate their church but love their religion and in the 12 years of our existence we have proven to our members, unlike others we practice what we preach.

  • Khaldicom

    Forgetting about the First Commandment is what led to the others being ignored. I’ll stick with the originals, I like their author better. Thanks anyway.

  • Khaldicom

    Forgetting about the First Commandment is what led to the others being ignored. I’ll stick with the originals, I like their author better. Thanks anyway.

  • Yours Truly.

    You christians.. Always taking things toooo literally. God is not proven either, by any stretch of the imagination. Lets say just because 70%, or even 100% of the world believes that jello can rain down from the skies at any moment, it doesn’t make it true or any more likely to happen. humans have made a little virtual world for themselves from what they think and want the world to be, instead of looking what it actually is. Believing in god souly on faith and an ancient outdated book written by man is equally absurd. The universe does not need religion, it is one of the most harmful and regressive institutions in our modern world today. I do believe it did have its place in ancient times, but those times are long gone. And people need to start waking up from this God conspiracy.

  • Bob Webster

    Karl Marx couldn’t have proposed a more fitting set of commandments for his statist philosophy.

  • Bob Webster

    Karl Marx couldn’t have proposed a more fitting set of commandments for his statist philosophy.

    • Madpoet0

      Thank you.

  • Jadelupin

    Although I do not accept any form of Satanism in my life, I cannot condemn those who do practice it, as I believe that at least in America, all people have the right to freedom of and/or from religion. However, in reading your post, you have an angry, ignorant judgmental attitude yourself. How can you justify your faith while condemning others’ Your writings seem extremely asinine and hateful when it comes to Christians, and I’m a Jew!

  • Jadelupin

    Number 8 is horsesh*t!!!! I don’t care who is in this “collective”, there is no way that ” …but leave justice and punishment to the cooperative for none of us alone are God but all of us together are.” has any validity or value in the least. This is like the idiots who built the Tower of Babel to get to G-d. There is and will always be one G-d. There are many paths to the Holy One, and Satanism is NOT one of them, nor is glorified humanity. We are simply sparks of G-d’s love in human bodies, learning how to create a peaceful and divine world. Combine us all, and you will still NEVER have us be G-d. Also, the idea of the human collective has got to be the most idiotic piece of warped mind control ever. G-d granted us all with free will to follow His way or not. Only G-d can reward and punish, but mankind can and should strive to protect each other in fairness and kindness.

    #10 needs work. You cannot legislate love or make love a law anymore than you can legislate who may love whom. Any religious or political view that wishes to constrain upon others and violate their beliefs is, according to your 5th commandment, an enemy of the collective, so your 10th violates your collective.

    I love the ideas of most of these “commandments” and would suggest not a new 10 commandments, but a supplement of virtues for others to consider following along with the original 10, once you get thte horsedung cleaned out of them.

    • Madpoet0

      Too funny I was wondering when someone would spaz out over #8, thank you.
      As far as #10 that is partly from Aleister Crowley I should have put quotes on the “Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will.”
      By the way the Hindus have many Gods and so do many other religions, this is not a Christian world this is a religiously diverse world. So diverse we even have Atheists, though Atheism is not a religion it is a belief no more or less valid than any other belief.

  • Jadelupin

    Number 8 is horsesh*t!!!! I don’t care who is in this “collective”, there is no way that ” …but leave justice and punishment to the cooperative for none of us alone are God but all of us together are.” has any validity or value in the least. This is like the idiots who built the Tower of Babel to get to G-d. There is and will always be one G-d. There are many paths to the Holy One, and Satanism is NOT one of them, nor is glorified humanity. We are simply sparks of G-d’s love in human bodies, learning how to create a peaceful and divine world. Combine us all, and you will still NEVER have us be G-d. Also, the idea of the human collective has got to be the most idiotic piece of warped mind control ever. G-d granted us all with free will to follow His way or not. Only G-d can reward and punish, but mankind can and should strive to protect each other in fairness and kindness.

    #10 needs work. You cannot legislate love or make love a law anymore than you can legislate who may love whom. Any religious or political view that wishes to constrain upon others and violate their beliefs is, according to your 5th commandment, an enemy of the collective, so your 10th violates your collective.

    I love the ideas of most of these “commandments” and would suggest not a new 10 commandments, but a supplement of virtues for others to consider following along with the original 10, once you get thte horsedung cleaned out of them.

  • Adam

    I never claimed to be a Satanist, nor did I ever express a faith of any kind; please read my comments a little more closely. Thank you.

  • Adam

    By the way, what comments of mine in particular reveal an angry, judgmental attitude?

    Damn, I really do need to have the last word, don’t I? :)

  • Adam

    By the way, what comments of mine in particular reveal an angry, judgmental attitude?

    Damn, I really do need to have the last word, don’t I? :)

  • Madpoet0

    Too funny I was wondering when someone would spaz out over #8, thank you.
    As far as #10 that is partly from Aleister Crowley I should have put quotes on the “Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will.”
    By the way the Hindus have many Gods and so do many other religions, this is not a Christian world this is a religiously diverse world. So diverse we even have Atheists, though Atheism is not a religion it is a belief no more or less valid than any other belief.

  • Madpoet0

    Too funny I was wondering when someone would spaz out over #8, thank you.
    As far as #10 that is partly from Aleister Crowley I should have put quotes on the “Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will.”
    By the way the Hindus have many Gods and so do many other religions, this is not a Christian world this is a religiously diverse world. So diverse we even have Atheists, though Atheism is not a religion it is a belief no more or less valid than any other belief.

  • Madpoet0

    Too funny I was wondering when someone would spaz out over #8, thank you.
    As far as #10 that is partly from Aleister Crowley I should have put quotes on the “Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will.”
    By the way the Hindus have many Gods and so do many other religions, this is not a Christian world this is a religiously diverse world. So diverse we even have Atheists, though Atheism is not a religion it is a belief no more or less valid than any other belief.

  • Madpoet0

    Thank you.

  • Madpoet0

    Thank you.

  • Madpoet0

    Thank you.

  • Madpoet0

    It’s called exploitation, it’s %99 of advertising.
    My 10 commandments would not have received the views it did if I named it “My Ten General guide lines for a pleasant society ”

  • Madpoet0

    “every coercive system of rule is founded on the ability of the group to deprive individuals of their rights”
    This isn’t a system of rule, it is a code of conduct that encourages social cooperation and personal responsibility. In fact rule would decrease due to a lack of a need for it. The more we can do for ourselves the less government we need. The more we cooperate and respect each others rights the more crime will decline.

  • Lawrencesroberts

    The First Commandment should be environmental.
    The second Judea-christian one was always problematic for people who didn’t love themselves.

  • Lawrencesroberts

    The First Commandment should be environmental.
    The second Judea-christian one was always problematic for people who didn’t love themselves.

  • John

    Athiests! My willy is here for the sucking!

    • Madpoet0

      John, is this the maturity level of the average Christian these days?

      • John

        I don’t know I’m agnostic.

  • John

    Athiests! My willy is here for the sucking!

  • Jahopson Tx

    Bravo, Adam! By the way – “Magika” was a Dio cd wasn’t it? ; ) But Mr. Anti-Crowley probably believes Dio worshipped Satan too. The esoteric value of “Lucifer” is actually diametrically opposite of that of “Satan”. Albert Pike, another favorite boogeyman of fundamentalist christians, made it very clear, in his “Morals & Dogma, that the idea of Lucifer and that of Satan to be 2 different and opposing ideas, a notion that I concur with. The OT rantings of Isaiah regarding the fall of the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14: 12-15) are among the most distorted and removed from context verses in scripture.
    As for the “new” 10 commandments, some of his reccomendations are already incorporated in the old ten.

  • Blackcat1018

    The NT does rewrite the OT. In the sense that Christ is supposed to create a new relationship between man and God, not continue the old Jewish tradition. This is spoken about heavily in the NT. If you statement was correct modern Christians would be expected to follow Mosaic law, which they do not. You can not have it both ways, understand that before you make a comment which such a bold statement. However you may want to read the new testament when it says, Ephesians 6:5-9: “Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.” OR Colossians 4:1: “Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.” there are many others. The NT says that slavery is acceptable, and only states that the master (owner) treats his servants/maids/slaves (all equal to forced labor or slavery) well.

  • Blackcat1018

    wow, where to start. First off you sound incredibly ignorant. The war on drugs is the only reason people are dying violent deaths from drugs. If drugs were not illegal then gangs and criminals would not be the only ones controlling the sale. Look at California or Colorado, where pot is legal for sale. Nice, respectable shops are all over the place, in upscale malls and nice “upstanding” and maybe even, gasp Christian, people shopping there. No violence, no death. It is the “war on drugs” that is the problem, not the drugs. You think drugs are bad, because you were programmed that way growing up in your church, yet you never had the balls to think for yourself. Certain drugs are illegal because, A) they are cheap to produce with little profit margin in a legal environment, thus corporations can make money off them. (compare the effects of weed or mushrooms to your antidepressant or migraine medicine some time, see which is worse, also compare the cost, see which is worse) B) they open your mind to new ways of thinking, which makes you question authority and start thinking independently and asking questions. Thats it. Can be get addicted, sure, but that is not why their illegal, people get addicted to smoking, drinking, (legal) painkillers, etc, all the time. This is not limited to certain drugs, but rather a possible condition for any chemical that enters the body.

    As for the tyrannical form of government it would not come from these commandments, although I agree with you that they are contradictory at times, reflect the same general morals as most major world religions, and are generally poorly written. Yet, I don’t find them tyrannical, as they make several references to individual rights, taking responsibility for oneself and ones family. It mentions respecting others, removing social classes, and implies freedom of choice in most matters. look at tyrannical governments, and you will see a total lack of personal rights, turning over responsibility of your own and your family’s life to the government, a distrust of others, two, maybe three, classes of people the elite governmental rulers, and the surfs. The possible third class would be in-between and would be small and serve to manage the day to day of the serfs with would make up 95-99% of the population (often this is a religious class such as priests or moral police).

    As for the “druggy” (not a real word btw) Satanist comment, the reason he was asked is because he was a respected leader of a large group of people and his opinion, unlike say yours, was considered valuable. He experimented with drugs and keep extensive logs on them to show their effects. This is now different then any other scientist except he experimented on himself rather then risk harm to others. As with most true occult followers “Satan” or Lucifer is seen as a good and enlightening force, not as the evil Christian devil, so this changes the context of the comment and makes it irreverent as the condemnation you intended it to be.

    I agree your opinion matters because you would be subject to these laws if they were implemented. Don’t worry they wont be. Nobody said they would, no one has pushed for them to be, and it is not even in the realm of possibility for the foreseeable future. so calm the fuck down

    You, and every Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc think you know what is best for the entire human race and try to push your belief and tell everyone else how to live their lives. Madpoet is just following your example and doing what you do, isn’t that what you wanted?

  • Jahopson Tx

    Of course in the Old Terstament, Yahweh/Jehovah instituted slavery and advocated the beating of them even!! The OT is full of pro slavery material. BUT…Here are just a few NEW TESTAMENT indications that slavery was an accepted/condoned institution among Christians: Colossians 3:22-4:1, Ephesians 6:5-9, 1 Corinthians 7:20-24, Colossians 3:22-25, 1 Timothy 6:1-2, Also refer to the New Testament books of I Peter 2:18, Philemon, and Titus for more indications that slavery was accepted as commonplace among christians. JESUS on the topic, using a parable of slavery to illustrate a point: Luke 12:45-47. And if you think Jesus came to END all OT law, check this out: Matthew 5:17 – Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

  • Jahopson Tx

    You said – “Anyone who has studied American history and understand the origins of American ethics and morals knows where they came from, Christianity.” I thought American ethics and morals came from all those evil Freemason forefathers? ; )

  • Madpoet0

    John, is this the maturity level of the average Christian these days?

  • Geofrey

    Nice, you almost got it right. However, will is not above love nor is it the whole of the law. The cooperative that is God is the whole of the law. Get over that Crowley shit someone told you. Close though, nice work. Respect, G

    • Madpoet0

      I like this “The cooperative that is God is the whole of the law” good job Geofrey!
      I was in the O.T.O. since my early twenties, I out grew it but not all of it.

  • Geofrey

    Nice, you almost got it right. However, will is not above love nor is it the whole of the law. The cooperative that is God is the whole of the law. Get over that Crowley shit someone told you. Close though, nice work. Respect, G

  • John

    I don’t know I’m agnostic.

  • Fred

    Every ass seems to want to tell other people how to live these days.

    • Madpoet0

      Or criticize others for taking an active role in anything.

  • Fred

    Every ass seems to want to tell other people how to live these days.

  • Madpoet0

    Or criticize others for taking an active role in anything.

  • Madpoet0

    I like this “The cooperative that is God is the whole of the law” good job Geofrey!
    I was in the O.T.O. since my early twenties, I out grew it but not all of it.

  • Eric Sicknessness

    The law states that if a person commits suicide, their body must be stripped and dragged around town by a guy on a horse until everyone had had a good chance to throw rocks at the body. They may not be buried on sacred grounds.

  • Jahopson Tx

    Hahaha! Good answer, dude!

  • Pamelahoga

    The above list of new commandments are not truly commandments. A commandment is an important rule on how to behave. The above are subjective statements. The author misspelled words and used poor sentence structure. Nice picture though.

  • Pamelahoga

    The above list of new commandments are not truly commandments. A commandment is an important rule on how to behave. The above are subjective statements. The author misspelled words and used poor sentence structure. Nice picture though.

  • http://twitter.com/audiotruther Audio Truther

    > It’s all good I interviewed Yahweh aka the reincarnated Jesus yes he’s alieve and well on Earth he ain’t coming down on a white horse , and he said the End of Evil is in 2012 , but we all have to do our part to fight against the corruption. anyways as you can understand he has a lot to say about whats going on , listen below , and decide for yourself.
    http://fightthe.podomatic.com/

  • http://twitter.com/audiotruther Audio Truther

    > It’s all good I interviewed Yahweh aka the reincarnated Jesus yes he’s alieve and well on Earth he ain’t coming down on a white horse , and he said the End of Evil is in 2012 , but we all have to do our part to fight against the corruption. anyways as you can understand he has a lot to say about whats going on , listen below , and decide for yourself.
    http://fightthe.podomatic.com/

  • John

    That sounds retarded!

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