EU To Ban Cars From Cities By 2050

No Cars AllowedBruno Waterfield writes in the Telegraph:

The European Commission on Monday unveiled a “single European transport area” aimed at enforcing “a profound shift in transport patterns for passengers” by 2050.

The plan also envisages an end to cheap holiday flights from Britain to southern Europe with a target that over 50 per cent of all journeys above 186 miles should be by rail.

Top of the EU’s list to cut climate change emissions is a target of “zero” for the number of petrol and diesel-driven cars and lorries in the EU’s future cities.

Siim Kallas, the EU transport commission, insisted that Brussels directives and new taxation of fuel would be used to force people out of their cars and onto “alternative” means of transport.

“That means no more conventionally fuelled cars in our city centres,” he said. “Action will follow, legislation, real action to change behaviour.”

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  • http://strictlyapathy.comoj.com SoulArbiter

    It’s a great idea, but would it really work? I suppose that’s why the 2050 benchmark has been set so people might perhaps warm up to the idea.

  • http://strictlyapathy.comoj.com/ SoulArbiter

    It’s a great idea, but would it really work? I suppose that’s why the 2050 benchmark has been set so people might perhaps warm up to the idea.

  • Oneiric Imperium

    I’ve long suspected that the limiting of individual literal movement is going to be a factor of life on a day to day basis in a NWO situation of totalitarian technocratic police states and dead zones. Remember the automated highways in minority report? Expect to have all your movement charged to the credit account via your biometric implant making it that you cant afford to leave your city-state. Here we have the E.U. calling for the elimination of the use of cars in European cities by the year 2050. Is this a step towards such a future?

  • Oneiric Imperium

    I’ve long suspected that the limiting of individual literal movement is going to be a factor of life on a day to day basis in a NWO situation of totalitarian technocratic police states and dead zones. Remember the automated highways in minority report? Expect to have all your movement charged to the credit account via your biometric implant making it that you cant afford to leave your city-state. Here we have the E.U. calling for the elimination of the use of cars in European cities by the year 2050. Is this a step towards such a future?

    • DeepCough

      Is that you, Alex Jones?

    • PerhapsNextTime

      What medications are you on? Either too many or not enough…yikes! This is a superb idea and one can only hope that the rest of the world will follow in their logical and eco-friendly footsteps. The only frustrating thing about this idea is the amount of time they claim it will take to implement it…

  • Oneiric Imperium

    I’ve long suspected that the limiting of individual literal movement is going to be a factor of life on a day to day basis in a NWO situation of totalitarian technocratic police states and dead zones. Remember the automated highways in minority report? Expect to have all your movement charged to the credit account via your biometric implant making it that you cant afford to leave your city-state. Here we have the E.U. calling for the elimination of the use of cars in European cities by the year 2050. Is this a step towards such a future?

  • DeepCough

    Is that you, Alex Jones?

  • SirZachariah

    From the continent that brought us Nazism and Communism.

    • freetard

      Irrelevant. By 2050 ALL world leaders will be held accountable because of the internet and instant communication. Julian Assange A.K.A Agna Nail Jesus is already promising our “internet freedom”
      The next 40 years will usher in a new age of leaders, of good virtue, intelligence and empathy. This is a NEW age that has begun and some of you may not realize it yet. Let all of your fear go, you won’t need it anymore.

      • Bud Bundy

        What are you smoking and where can I get some

      • E.B. Wolf

        “By 2050 ALL world leaders will be held accountable because of the internet and instant communication.”
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
        You’ve chosen a very appropriate name, freetard.

  • SirZachariah

    From the continent that brought us Nazism and Communism.

  • Haystack

    The automobile has devastated the American landscape. Our downtown areas loud, congested, unpleasant places to be, rather than centers of community. My city just tore down a beautiful, century-old almshouse to make room for a dozen parking spaces. I’d love to move to Europe where at least some consideration is given to keeping urban centers livable.

    • Hadrian999

      good luck getting around a majority of the united states without a automobile, and you are braver than I am if you are willing to go public transport in those urban areas.

      • Haystack

        As it is now, yes. My argument is that we should redesign our infrastructure such that it isn’t so car-dependent.

        • Hadrian999

          it rural areas i don’t see it ever really being possible, large metro areas could, but they will have to make sure it is reliable and safe.

          • emperorreagan

            If you cut government costs on maintaining roads, policing traffic, and having emergency services respond to accidents, among other major traffic-related costs incurred by cities, I’m certain there would be plenty of funds to build and maintain great train, light rail, subway, and bus options.

  • Haystack

    The automobile has devastated the American landscape. Our downtown areas loud, congested, unpleasant places to be, rather than centers of community. My city just tore down a beautiful, century-old almshouse to make room for a dozen parking spaces. I’d love to move to Europe where at least some consideration is given to keeping urban centers livable.

  • Muddi_40

    i think that this is an excellent step towards more sustainable urban centers. cities account for the most carbon emissions in the world, and are only growing larger. in order to sustain these large numbers of people, new strategies must be put in place. The plan is not to simply cut out cars, but increase reliance on public transport. further, without cars congesting the roads, public transit will be far more efficient and may even be faster than using automobile transport… this is a goal to work towards, and will spawn many other positive ideas along the way.

  • Muddi_40

    i think that this is an excellent step towards more sustainable urban centers. cities account for the most carbon emissions in the world, and are only growing larger. in order to sustain these large numbers of people, new strategies must be put in place. The plan is not to simply cut out cars, but increase reliance on public transport. further, without cars congesting the roads, public transit will be far more efficient and may even be faster than using automobile transport… this is a goal to work towards, and will spawn many other positive ideas along the way.

  • Hadrian999

    good luck getting around a majority of the united states without a automobile, and you are braver than I am if you are willing to go public transport in those urban areas.

  • freetard

    Irrelevant. By 2050 ALL world leaders will be held accountable because of the internet and instant communication. Julian Assange A.K.A Agna Nail Jesus is already promising our “internet freedom”
    The next 40 years will usher in a new age of leaders, of good virtue, intelligence and empathy. This is a NEW age that has begun and some of you may not realize it yet. Let all of your fear go, you won’t need it anymore.

  • Haystack

    As it is now, yes. My argument is that we should redesign our infrastructure such that it isn’t so car-dependent.

  • Hadrian999

    it rural areas i don’t see it ever really being possible, large metro areas could, but they will have to make sure it is reliable and safe.

  • Bud Bundy

    What are you smoking and where can I get some

  • Borgar

    The European Commission, like most other commissions and people in general are living in a fantasy bubble. Do they really think there will be any cars to ban by the year 2050? Well there won’t. There also will not be any aviation, cellphones, computers, TVs, refrigerators or even electricity.

    Here’s the immediate future: dry oilwells, massive food shortages, collapse of health care institutions in most countries, pandemic outbreaks, mass migration from uninhabitable areas in Asia, Middle East and Africa, mass death by wars, hunger and disease (and this time not only in Africa and the Middle East), and the possible aftermath of a nuclear war. Prepare for Doomsday, cause it’s coming, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. It’s the end of the cycle, and the beginning of a new one.

    • For the Greater Good

      *YAWN*

      In a Multiverse of Infinite Possibilities, are all of the things which you just mentioned possible? Sure. Inevitable? No.

      We could start making some hardcore decisions right now in order to dampen the potential impact of any of the things which you just mentioned. The Number One thing would be enforced population control: all boys get snipped at puberty (though not before making several sperm-bank deposits) and everyone then has to apply for a parental license…limit of one kid per family. That would drastically reduce our ridiculous consumption of natural resources and might potentially reduce the impact of any pandemic.

      Our reliance upon oil is archaic: the sooner we stop, the better…if takes the oil wells running out first, then so be it. Nuclear war has been heralded by dooms-dayers like you for decades now. Could it happen tomorrow? Five minutes from now? Absolutely. But it does not have to…

      As for massive food shortages…if everyone stopped eating meat and grew crops and vegetables instead, then guess what? We could easily feed everyone in the world. But again…population control would insure that every mouth has food on the table.

      These will not be easy decisions to make/implement and stupid/ignorant people almost always resist being told what to do, even when it is in their own best interests…but those of us who acknowledge and accept that difficult times require difficult solutions in order to avoid scenarios such as the ones which you have described.

      • Borgar

        You’re right. If everyone did this and that we might avoid and accomplish a lot of things. And it might be yawn inducing to point it out, but it’s too late now, and if we still had the time, we wouldn’t have acted differently, because that’s the way we (or most of us) are. In our complacency we refuse to believe in a threat which is not directly before our eyes, until it’s on our doorstep.

        Personally I think it’s destiny in the hindu or Spengler sense. We have reached the end of a cycle, and the time has now come for a new beginning.

        I won’t blame you for being an optimist though. It’s good comfort while it lasts.

        • For the Greater Good

          What exactly is “too late”? None of these things have actually happened…or are you saying we are “too late”because you believe that some sort of dooms-day scenario is inevitable and unavoidable?

          • Borgar

            Too late means irreversible global warming and the accompanying melting of ice caps, the destruction of habitats, depletion of soil, pollution of ocean and land, overexploitation of recources, and overpopulation. All these things are happening right now and will inevitably lead to total destruction of our civilisation. And with it goes all technology, like cars, computers etc.

          • For the Greater Good

            “All these things are happening right now and will inevitably lead to total destruction of our civilization” Our civilization needs a good tweaking, it’s true, though I don’t pretend to understand your uber-pessimism…our species is more than smart enough to adapt to all of these changes. Our biggest obstacles are fear, laziness and selfishness but again, these are not insurmountable. And if it has to come down to destruction, then so be it: destruction of the old leads to creation of the new. Technology might hit a temporary snag, but I find it statistically unlikely that it will come to a complete halt. In the Multiverse, everything is and everything is not…I find this to be a constant source of reassurance. The fact is, you don’t know for sure what will happen (and neither does anyone else, including myself) and while it is your right to believe whatever you want, it is unfortunate that you choose to embrace such extreme negativity instead of encouraging people to try and make whatever realistic changes they can.

          • Borgar

            It might be extreme negativity, but it’s a rational conclusion based upon our present predicament.

            And it’s not a question of smartness. Even though we as a species are endowed with rationality, we’re usually not acting in a rational way, at least not collectively. It’s more like a hive mind.

            The way I see it it’s the optimists on behalf of our terminally ill civilisation who are the irrational ones. Me I’m striving to be a bit like a cancer patient accepting his inevitable demise in the not so distant future: better to let go than struggling too much, because that’s going to cause even more suffering and indignity.

            We are but fleas riding on the back of a great bull, and right now the bull is starting to tire of our bloodsucking.

          • PerhapsNextTime

            “It’s more like a hive mind” So in other words: we need to infect the Hive Mind/Collective Unconscious with a Thought Virus so utterly convincing/devastating/motivating that it will manifest in a way that makes it seem as though they have no choice but to accept it…what would be the method of delivery? You would need everyone (or more people than not) to be hooked up/wired to some central source at the same moment and then send out a signal/message which everyone would experience at the same time…

            “Me I’m striving to be a bit like a cancer patient accepting his inevitable demise…” Please don’t take this the wrong way…but why do you even get up in the morning? If you truly believe that things are that bleak, what exactly are you holding out for? What is it that brings you joy/happiness/hope? And if the answer is nothing, then why not just kill your self? (((Please note: I do NOT want you to kill your self!))) It is simply a question of perspective and I am just trying to comprehend where you are coming from if this is what you truly believe we are heading toward…

            “in the not so distant future” Again, you have absolutely no idea when (regardless of if) any of this will ever actually happen. Presumably we are both smart people who read the news and follow world/current events…I don’t deny that any of these things could happen but it does not have to be quite as epic/dire as you predict. Are you art least open to the idea of alternate realities where there are an number of infinite possibilities?

          • Borgar

            I guess you might think I’m a cynic, but actually I’m not. I believe most people are decent and good people – under the right circumstances. Just look what happens when disaster strikes, like in Japan some weeks ago. I even have an open mind to the idea that love is the most fundamental force in the universe (sounds pretty mushy, I know), although we might easily cut ourselves away from it.

            But nowadays most societies all over the world – especially the western ones – are evil, trying to kill the life quick inside of men and women with fear, money-madness, nasty wars, slavery and a soul-killing mechanical world view. And the way I see it we are now facing the kind of cataclysm that happened to the Mayans and other bygone civilisations, only on a much larger scale.

            I think this has to do with the revolving of the “mill of the universe”, and now we have come to the end of a great revolution. I guess I’m a religious nut (without adhering to a specific religion though) with a sort of fatalistic mindset. We often like to think we are on top of things, but actually we control very little. It’s a kind of hybris created by the great technological “successes” in the past two centuries and the discovery of the energy-rich oil, which will soon be depleted.

            I’m definitely not going to go and kill myself off. I really want to live as long as I can, but I do not believe we can somehow fix this. For the time being I live pretty comfortably in one of the richest countries in the world (I’m norwegian), and while some people might think it’s smug and disgusting to go spouting doomsday scenarios on the internet while sitting snug here on my chair in relative safety, it’s my earnest opinion.

            Wish you well,

            Borgar

          • PerhapsNextTime

            “I guess I’m a religious nut (without adhering to a specific religion though) with a sort of fatalistic mindset” I was raised by apocalyptic fundamentalists of the Baptist variety…have been force-fed this “end of the world” mindset since the moment I was born. They believe there is no hope, except for “divine intervention” via Jebus. And you believe there is no hope, regardless. I have spent the last twelve years of my life trying to deprogram all of the brainwashing which I received while confined in that paranoid and delusional cult and it is my current hope that we – as a species – will be able to adapt to any given situation which may arise. I am living proof that people can change their Minds…it wasn’t easy and the deprogramming is still an ongoing process (and I am – admittedly – in the minority when it comes to those of us who managed to escape) but I know that it is possible and it gives me Hope…

            I fully acknowledge that our species might not ultimately succeed, but I don’t rule it out, either. I would not be able to get out of bed each morning if I thought it was all for naught. I have two beautiful nieces (a one year-old and a three year-old) and my brother is raising them with the same doom-and-gloom worldview that he and I were forced to swallow. Watching him and the rest of my family fill their innocent little Minds with all of that toxic bullshit is more painful then I could ever fully describe, though needless to say it is – for me, personally – like being traumatized all over again.

            But I refuse to give in…for the sake of my nieces, if not for my own. What kind of a future is that to present to a child? Why not just drowned them in the bathtub and save them a whole lot of suffering and grief? The least my brother could have done was adopt some kids who are – like him – “stuck on this hopeless, god-forsaken planet”. I have to maintain a cautiously optimistic worldview so that I have something positive to share with them if/when they ever come seeking solace from the insanity that my family is thrusting upon them.

            Until then, my fingers remain crossed for them and for you and for myself and for all of the other lifeforms that cling so desperately to this spinning hunk of rock.

      • Hadrian999

        Life as a serf is not a life worth living, it would be better to die living as you wish than to live as a shadow.

        • For the Greater Good

          In the face of such dire possibilities (all of which I have freely acknowledged could happen), I think it is more than logical/reasonable/sensible for our species to band together and make a few communal sacrifices. I suspect that the “shadow” of which you speak if much darker in your own head then it has to be in real life. I would rather do what is necessary in the meantime in order to survive/thrive in the long-term. If you would rather die than help pitch and take responsibility, so be it…but please don’t assume that others would not be willing to contribute.

          • Hadrian999

            but who will it be giving you orders as to what sacrifices you have to make and will they make the same ones or will they be living well in mansions while you toil in the dirt?

          • PerhapsNextTime

            “who will it be giving you orders as to what sacrifices you have to make” There is something to be said for transparency/full disclosure, something we have never truly had. You wanna be an elected official? Welcome to the newest reality TV show, called Sacrifice. This camera crew is going to follow you around 24/7 and everything will be streamed live onto the internet. Few would agree to serve under such extreme conditions because – like Arthur C. Clarke said – anyone who wants to run for office should probably be banned from doing so because s/he most likely has an agenda of some sort. Now, if you could actually find someone willing to make such an outrageous sacrifice of their personal privacy for the sake of truly trying to get something accomplished, then that could definitely be interesting…I would tune in :)

            “will they make the same ones or will they be living well in mansions while you toil in the dirt?” It has been a long time since I have read Animal Farm, but if I remember correctly, the farm was functioning quite well before the pigs showed up. The pigs are not necessary and they never were. It is encouraging/inspiring to see what is happening in the Middle East right now as many of the pigs are being called out and challenged. Let us hope that it is a Domino Effect which will continue until it hits every corrupted leader around the world, including Obama who – as far as I am concerned – is just as bad as Bush ever was…

          • Hadrian999

            it’s a nice idea but i don’t think it will ever happen, most people are suckers and if you get rid of the ruling class the suckers will just look for a new one.

        • Oneiric Imperium

          Better to die on your feet then live on your knees! I hope Hakim Bey’s no go zone idea becomes a viable option-
          http://www.t0.or.at/hakimbey/nogozone.htm

  • Anonymous

    The European Commission, like most other commissions and people in general are living in a fantasy bubble. Do they really think there will be any cars to ban by the year 2050? Well there won’t. There also will not be any aviation, cellphones, computers, TVs, refrigerators or even electricity.

    Here’s the immediate future: dry oilwells, massive food shortages, collapse of health care institutions in most countries, pandemic outbreaks, mass migration from uninhabitable areas in Asia, Middle East and Africa, mass death by wars, hunger and disease (and this time not only in Africa and the Middle East), and the possible aftermath of a nuclear war. Prepare for Doomsday, cause it’s coming, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. It’s the end of the cycle, and the beginning of a new one.

  • PerhapsNextTime

    What medications are you on? Either too many or not enough…yikes! This is a superb idea and one can only hope that the rest of the world will follow in their logical and eco-friendly footsteps. The only frustrating thing about this idea is the amount of time they claim it will take to implement it…

  • PerhapsNextTime

    What medications are you on? Either too many or not enough…yikes! This is a superb idea and one can only hope that the rest of the world will follow in their logical and eco-friendly footsteps. The only frustrating thing about this idea is the amount of time they claim it will take to implement it…

  • For the Greater Good

    *YAWN*

    In a Multiverse of Infinite Possibilities, are all of the things which you just mentioned possible? Sure. Inevitable? No.

    We could start making some hardcore decisions right now in order to dampen the potential impact of any of the things which you just mentioned. The Number One thing would be enforced population control: all boys get snipped at puberty (though not before making several sperm-bank deposits) and everyone then has to apply for a parental license…limit of one kid per family. That would drastically reduce our ridiculous consumption of natural resources and might potentially reduce the impact of any pandemic.

    Our reliance upon oil is archaic: the sooner we stop, the better…if takes the oil wells running out first, then so be it. Nuclear war has been heralded by dooms-dayers like you for decades now. Could it happen tomorrow? Five minutes from now? Absolutely. But it does not have to…

    As for massive food shortages…if everyone stopped eating meat and grew crops and vegetables instead, then guess what? We could easily feed everyone in the world. But again…population control would insure that every mouth has food on the table.

    These will not be easy decisions to make/implement and stupid/ignorant people almost always resist being told what to do, even when it is in their own best interests…but those of us who acknowledge and accept that difficult times require difficult solutions in order to avoid scenarios such as the ones which you have described.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right. If everyone did this and that we might avoid and accomplish a lot of things. And it might be yawn inducing to point it out, but it’s too late now, and if we still had the time, we wouldn’t have acted differently, because that’s the way we (or most of us) are. In our complacency we refuse to believe in a threat which is not directly before our eyes, until it’s on our doorstep.

    Personally I think it’s destiny in the hindu or Spengler sense. We have reached the end of a cycle, and the time has now come for a new beginning.

    I won’t blame you for being an optimist though. It’s good comfort while it lasts.

  • For the Greater Good

    What exactly is “too late”? None of these things have actually happened…or are you saying we are “too late”because you believe that some sort of dooms-day scenario is inevitable and unavoidable?

  • Hadrian999

    Life as a serf is not a life worth living, it would be better to die living as you wish than to live as a shadow.

  • Anonymous

    Too late means irreversible global warming and the accompanying melting of ice caps, the destruction of habitats, depletion of soil, pollution of ocean and land, overexploitation of recources, and overpopulation. All these things are happening right now and will inevitably lead to total destruction of our civilisation. And with it goes all technology, like cars, computers etc.

  • For the Greater Good

    “All these things are happening right now and will inevitably lead to total destruction of our civilization” Our civilization needs a good tweaking, it’s true, though I don’t pretend to understand your uber-pessimism…our species is more than smart enough to adapt to all of these changes. Our biggest obstacles are fear, laziness and selfishness but again, these are not insurmountable. And if it has to come down to destruction, then so be it: destruction of the old leads to creation of the new. Technology might hit a temporary snag, but I find it statistically unlikely that it will come to a complete halt. In the Multiverse, everything is and everything is not…I find this to be a constant source of reassurance. The fact is, you don’t know for sure what will happen (and neither does anyone else, including myself) and while it is your right to believe whatever you want, it is unfortunate that you choose to embrace such extreme negativity instead of encouraging people to try and make whatever realistic changes they can.

  • For the Greater Good

    In the face of such dire possibilities (all of which I have freely acknowledged could happen), I think it is more than logical/reasonable/sensible for our species to band together and make a few communal sacrifices. I suspect that the “shadow” of which you speak if much darker in your own head then it has to be in real life. I would rather do what is necessary in the meantime in order to survive/thrive in the long-term. If you would rather die than help pitch and take responsibility, so be it…but please don’t assume that others would not be willing to contribute.

  • E.B. Wolf

    “By 2050 ALL world leaders will be held accountable because of the internet and instant communication.”
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    You’ve chosen a very appropriate name, freetard.

  • Anonymous

    It might be extreme negativity, but it’s a rational conclusion based upon our present predicament.

    And it’s not a question of smartness. Even though we as a species are endowed with rationality, we’re usually not acting in a rational way, at least not collectively. It’s more like a hive mind.

    The way I see it it’s the optimists on behalf of our terminally ill civilisation who are the irrational ones. Me I’m striving to be a bit like a cancer patient accepting his inevitable demise in the not so distant future: better to let go than struggling too much, because that’s going to cause even more suffering and indignity.

    We are but fleas riding on the back of a great bull, and right now the bull is starting to tire of our bloodsucking.

  • Hadrian999

    but who will it be giving you orders as to what sacrifices you have to make and will they make the same ones or will they be living well in mansions while you toil in the dirt?

  • Hadrian999

    but who will it be giving you orders as to what sacrifices you have to make and will they make the same ones or will they be living well in mansions while you toil in the dirt?

  • PerhapsNextTime

    “who will it be giving you orders as to what sacrifices you have to make” There is something to be said for transparency/full disclosure, something we have never truly had. You wanna be an elected official? Welcome to the newest reality TV show, called Sacrifice. This camera crew is going to follow you around 24/7 and everything will be streamed live onto the internet. Few would agree to serve under such extreme conditions because – like Arthur C. Clarke said – anyone who wants to run for office should probably be banned from doing so because s/he most likely has an agenda of some sort. Now, if you could actually find someone willing to make such an outrageous sacrifice of their personal privacy for the sake of truly trying to get something accomplished, then that could definitely be interesting…I would tune in :)

    “will they make the same ones or will they be living well in mansions while you toil in the dirt?” It has been a long time since I have read Animal Farm, but if I remember correctly, the farm was functioning quite well before the pigs showed up. The pigs are not necessary and they never were. It is encouraging/inspiring to see what is happening in the Middle East right now as many of the pigs are being called out and challenged. Let us hope that it is a Domino Effect which will continue until it hits every corrupted leader around the world, including Obama who – as far as I am concerned – is just as bad as Bush ever was…

  • PerhapsNextTime

    “It’s more like a hive mind” So in other words: we need to infect the Hive Mind/Collective Unconscious with a Thought Virus so utterly convincing/devastating/motivating that it will manifest in a way that makes it seem as though they have no choice but to accept it…what would be the method of delivery? You would need everyone (or more people than not) to be hooked up/wired to some central source at the same moment and then send out a signal/message which everyone would experience at the same time…

    “Me I’m striving to be a bit like a cancer patient accepting his inevitable demise…” Please don’t take this the wrong way…but why do you even get up in the morning? If you truly believe that things are that bleak, what exactly are you holding out for? What is it that brings you joy/happiness/hope? And if the answer is nothing, then why not just kill your self? (((Please note: I do NOT want you to kill your self!))) It is simply a question of perspective and I am just trying to comprehend where you are coming from if this is what you truly believe we are heading toward…

    “in the not so distant future” Again, you have absolutely no idea when (regardless of if) any of this will ever actually happen. Presumably we are both smart people who read the news and follow world/current events…I don’t deny that any of these things could happen but it does not have to be quite as epic/dire as you predict. Are you art least open to the idea of alternate realities where there are an number of infinite possibilities?

  • Hadrian999

    it’s a nice idea but i don’t think it will ever happen, most people are suckers and if you get rid of the ruling class the suckers will just look for a new one.

  • Anonymous

    I guess you might think I’m a cynic, but actually I’m not. I believe most people are decent and good people – under the right circumstances. Just look what happens when disaster strikes, like in Japan some weeks ago. I even have an open mind to the idea that love is the most fundamental force in the universe (sounds pretty mushy, I know), although we might easily cut ourselves away from it.

    But nowadays most societies all over the world – especially the western ones – are evil, trying to kill the life quick inside of men and women with fear, money-madness, nasty wars, slavery and a soul-killing mechanical world view. And the way I see it we are now facing the kind of cataclysm that happened to the Mayans and other bygone civilisations, only on a much larger scale.

    I think this has to do with the revolving of the “mill of the universe”, and now we have come to the end of a great revolution. I guess I’m a religious nut (without adhering to a specific religion though) with a sort of fatalistic mindset. We often like to think we are on top of things, but actually we control very little. It’s a kind of hybris created by the great technological “successes” in the past two centuries and the discovery of the energy-rich oil, which will soon be depleted.

    I’m definitely not going to go and kill myself off. I really want to live as long as I can, but I do not believe we can somehow fix this. For the time being I live pretty comfortably in one of the richest countries in the world (I’m norwegian), and while some people might think it’s smug and disgusting to go spouting doomsday scenarios on the internet while sitting snug here on my chair in relative safety, it’s my earnest opinion.

    Wish you well,

    Borgar

  • emperorreagan

    If you cut government costs on maintaining roads, policing traffic, and having emergency services respond to accidents, among other major traffic-related costs incurred by cities, I’m certain there would be plenty of funds to build and maintain great train, light rail, subway, and bus options.

  • PerhapsNextTime

    “I guess I’m a religious nut (without adhering to a specific religion though) with a sort of fatalistic mindset” I was raised by apocalyptic fundamentalists of the Baptist variety…have been force-fed this “end of the world” mindset since the moment I was born. They believe there is no hope, except for “divine intervention” via Jebus. And you believe there is no hope, regardless. I have spent the last twelve years of my life trying to deprogram all of the brainwashing which I received while confined in that paranoid and delusional cult and it is my current hope that we – as a species – will be able to adapt to any given situation which may arise. I am living proof that people can change their Minds…it wasn’t easy and the deprogramming is still an ongoing process (and I am – admittedly – in the minority when it comes to those of us who managed to escape) but I know that it is possible and it gives me Hope…

    I fully acknowledge that our species might not ultimately succeed, but I don’t rule it out, either. I would not be able to get out of bed each morning if I thought it was all for naught. I have two beautiful nieces (a one year-old and a three year-old) and my brother is raising them with the same doom-and-gloom worldview that he and I were forced to swallow. Watching him and the rest of my family fill their innocent little Minds with all of that toxic bullshit is more painful then I could ever fully describe, though needless to say it is – for me, personally – like being traumatized all over again.

    But I refuse to give in…for the sake of my nieces, if not for my own. What kind of a future is that to present to a child? Why not just drowned them in the bathtub and save them a whole lot of suffering and grief? The least my brother could have done was adopt some kids who are – like him – “stuck on this hopeless, god-forsaken planet”. I have to maintain a cautiously optimistic worldview so that I have something positive to share with them if/when they ever come seeking solace from the insanity that my family is thrusting upon them.

    Until then, my fingers remain crossed for them and for you and for myself and for all of the other lifeforms that cling so desperately to this spinning hunk of rock.

  • Oneiric Imperium

    Better to die on your feet then live on your knees! I hope Hakim Bey’s no go zone idea becomes a viable option-
    http://www.t0.or.at/hakimbey/nogozone.htm