Joe Rogan On WTC 7 And The Military Industrial Complex

By Camron Wiltshire on March 22, 2011 in News 216

Joe Rogan takes on the Military Industrial Complex and questions World Trade Center Building 7′s Immaculate Collapse.

Thank you Joe Rogan! I hope you can convince many of the young warriors in MMA of the difference between Warriors and Soldiers. Soldiers do what they are told, Warriors make their own fate.

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I agree with all of it except the use of the term “we.” It’s not “we” it’s THEM – the plutorcrat fascists on the other side of the guns pointed at us.
- Hank
  
  Absolutely. Ike was our best President because he is the last one who told us the truth. I used to abhor the F word when used by people ranting. In consideration of 9/11, Operation Northwoods and on and on, all I can say is FUCK IT. I have had enough.
Anonymous

I agree with all of it except the use of the term “we.” It’s not “we” it’s THEM – the plutorcrat fascists on the other side of the guns pointed at us.
E.B. Wolf

I wonder how Rogan’s comments about things like this go over since Dana White is cozying the UFC up to the military.
- WeAreChangeAtlanta
  
  Good question, Dana is probably indifferent to the moral dilemas of endorsing the military industrial complex and is just thinking of expanding his audience. I appreciate that he doesn’t censor Joe though as many would.
  - E.B. Wolf
    
    I’m sure it’s just a smart business/PR move for Dana, but I’m sure it must be an awkward situation for the army brass who are using MMA as a PR/recruiting tool to have somebody like Rogan commenting on such dirty little secrets.
E.B. Wolf

I wonder how Rogan’s comments about things like this go over since Dana White is cozying the UFC up to the military.
Hank

Absolutely. Ike was our best President because he is the last one who told us the truth. I used to abhor the F word when used by people ranting. In consideration of 9/11, Operation Northwoods and on and on, all I can say is FUCK IT. I have had enough.
Ricky Jazzercise

Might as well be proof that DMT has the ability to radically transform personalities for the better.

Joe Rogan pre-DMT = total douche.

Joe Rogan now = kind of interesting.

If someone legalized it, or even created a mass supply, the world would change pretty quickly. Fuck all this protesting shit. Obviously, that doesn’t work very well. Time for something new.
- Zombiefreeworld
  
  Yea i have to totally agree. I have done DMT and had pretty much the same experience as joe rogan. And i didn’t even know about his video on youtube when i did it. DMT should be produced in mass quantities
  - Sometimesfree
    
    And technically – if DMT is illegal then we’re all criminals because the brain produces DMT every time we dream. sometimes it shows you things you’d normally not see. Crazy geometric patterns, insane imagery and in Joe Rogan’s case… the truth
Ricky Jazzercise

Might as well be proof that DMT has the ability to radically transform personalities for the better.

Joe Rogan pre-DMT = total douche.

Joe Rogan now = kind of interesting.

If someone legalized it, or even created a mass supply, the world would change pretty quickly. Fuck all this protesting shit. Obviously, that doesn’t work very well. Time for something new.
Joe

WTC7 can clearly be seen being struck by debris by at least one camera angle. We’re talking tons of fuel, as well as a good chunk of a building. This constant denial of reality casts a taint on all other claims.
- WeAreChangeAtlanta
  
  Ok how many tons of fuel? How big of a chunk of building? Let’s get empirical and specific so you can support your view of reality. Have you ever seen this picture. This is at 3pm before the buildings were imploded. No raging fires to be seen. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/cutter.html
  
  Here is NIST own admission at the likelihood of the likelihood of their BEST theory.
  “The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain UNKNOWN (emphasis mine) at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence..” [WTC 7 Report]
  
  So this kind of blows your whole raging fires and tons of fuel statement out of the water.
  
  Also that would be the first time in history (other than the 2 towers on 9/11) where fires completely destroyed a steel framed structure. ( you may want to reconsider your reality here)
  
  And finally here is a video that demonstrates beyond the shadow of the doubt that the crime of the century needs to be reinvestigated.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0
  
  Oh one more thing. What about the Nano-Thermite conclusively discovered in the dust?
Joe

WTC7 can clearly be seen being struck by debris by at least one camera angle. We’re talking tons of fuel, as well as a good chunk of a building. This constant denial of reality casts a taint on all other claims.
HCE

Someone needs to start dosing all the water and food they can.
HCE

Someone needs to start dosing all the water and food they can.
Anonymous

http://911realtruth.net/docs/wtc7_damage.htm

The above site contains a pretty decent explanation of what caused the collapse of WTC 7.

There are various photos and video showing significant damage from chunks of one of the towers that fell on it.
I don’t blame people for having doubts as to what happened especially when our own incompetent governments 9/11 commission report does not even mention WTC 7.

This thing is though that when you form a hypothesis you should not be afraid of having to alter it with new information or even having it disproved. Just picking a side and defending it no matter what doesn’t usually lead to much understanding.
hunter349

http://911realtruth.net/docs/wtc7_damage.htm

The above site contains a pretty decent explanation of what caused the collapse of WTC 7.

There are various photos and video showing significant damage from chunks of one of the towers that fell on it.
I don’t blame people for having doubts as to what happened especially when our own incompetent governments 9/11 commission report does not even mention WTC 7.

This thing is though that when you form a hypothesis you should not be afraid of having to alter it with new information or even having it disproved. Just picking a side and defending it no matter what doesn’t usually lead to much understanding.
- LCD USMC
  
  why didn’t any of the buildings directly around the towers fall?
  
  Barry Jennings, Guiliani’s Coordinator for emergency management explains that the hole in building 7 happened while he was IN the building there was an explosion beneath him he was trapped in before the buildings fell. he was trapped on the 8th floor for hours
  
  Barry Jennings however , is now dead . he died 2 days before the commission report was released.
Yith

Yeah, and Rogan also disbelieved in the Moon landing — or rather, “Hey, I’m just askin’ questions”. See his “debate” with Phil Plait.

The Truth is not the Troof as Mikey Metzger discovered:

http://extruther.blogspot.com/2007/09/letter-of-resignation.html

And the Truth set him free:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

(Pay particular attention to the pages about ae911turth and Richard Gage, both of which are analyzed in detail. Take a look at “That magical thermite stuff”.)

I was hopeful there for a while that that whole Luke Rodkowski thing would give ^some^ people pause… but then there’s that P. T. Barnum quote.
Yith

Yeah, and Rogan also disbelieved in the Moon landing — or rather, “Hey, I’m just askin’ questions”. See his “debate” with Phil Plait.

The Truth is not the Troof as Mikey Metzger discovered:

http://extruther.blogspot.com/2007/09/letter-of-resignation.html

And the Truth set him free:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

(Pay particular attention to the pages about ae911turth and Richard Gage, both of which are analyzed in detail. Take a look at “That magical thermite stuff”.)

I was hopeful there for a while that that whole Luke Rodkowski thing would give ^some^ people pause… but then there’s that P. T. Barnum quote.
- WeAreChangeAtlanta
  
  Ok how many tons of fuel? How big of a chunk of building? Let’s get empirical and specific so you can support your view of reality. Have you ever seen this picture. This is at 3pm before the buildings were imploded. No raging fires to be seen. http://whatreallyhappened.com/…
  
  Here is NIST own admission at the likelihood of the likelihood of their BEST theory.
  “The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain UNKNOWN (emphasis mine) at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence..” [WTC 7 Report]
  
  So this kind of blows your whole raging fires and tons of fuel statement out of the water.
  
  Also that would be the first time in history (other than the 2 towers on 9/11) where fires completely destroyed a steel framed structure. ( you may want to reconsider your reality here)
  
  And finally here is a video that demonstrates beyond the shadow of the doubt that the crime of the century needs to be reinvestigated.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
  
  Oh one more thing. What about the Nano-Thermite conclusively discovered in the dust?
- Nano_Thermite_911
  
  So let’s see, you started with trying to discredit Rogan because he dare question the gov’t and Phil Plait? Then you insinuate that Richard Gage and Nano-Thermite are somehow in disrepute and you finish with bringing Luke Rudkowski somehow into the mix. Amazing.
  
  I would just say anyone with any sense whatsoever realizes that 9/11 needs a real investigation. Including 6/10 9/11 commissioners believe we need a new investigation. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090930073239AAPtJkO
  
  Here are a few quotes
  
  9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton himself says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.
  
  Similarly, 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” . He also says that he had long feared that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking, and that it might take “a permanent 9/11 commission” to end the remaining mysteries of September 11.
  
  And 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America.”
  http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/03/pentagon-papers-whistleblowers.html
  
  http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090930073239AAPtJkO
  - Yith
    
    “9`/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton himself says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.”
    
    Not getting everything 100 percent correct is not the same as getting everything 100 percent wrong or even mostly wrong. Ask most anyone about anything — even things they know really well — and they will surely get a few things wrong.
    
    Yes, he did say “set up to faill” in his book “Without Precedent”. But did he believe that it actually did mostly fail? And, again, by “fail” I don’t mean he “failed to get everything 100 percent correct”.
    
    See the following link:
    
    http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/12/oldie-but-goodie.html
    
    and in particular Solomon’s quote of Lee Hamilton: “’The only thing I ask in the future is that the conspiracy theory people do not apply a double standard, that is to say, they want us to provide an airtight case for any assertion that we make, whereas when they make an assertion, they often do it on very flimsy evidence.”
    
    What do you suppose he means by “conspiracy theory people” and “very flimsy evidence”?
    
    “Similarly, 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerry said… ”
    
    The original source was a Salon.com article:
    
    http://www.salon.com/entertainment/feature/2006/06/27/911_conspiracies/index4.html
    
    Here is a little more from that article: “Kerry was dismissive of the conspiracy theories as well. Asked about the possibility of a controlled demolition at the World Trade Center, he scoffed, “There’s no evidence for that.” But he also noted that, quite apart from what Avery and others in the “truth movement” have proposed, many legitimate mysteries still surround the events of that day. “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version,” Kerrey said.”
    
    When he says `some alternative’ here he isn’t referring to controlled-demolition theories, obviously.
    
    “And 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned…”
    
    More context is important here as well: you make it sound like Max Cleland resigned because they weren’t going after “the full story”. In fact, he resigned early because G. W. Bush appointed him to the Export-Import Bank, as he says in his resignation letter, which you can easily find on the internet. Furthermore, his problems with the 9/11 commission were not because of inadequate investigation into controlled-demolition theories, for example; they were because the commission wasn’t also investigating the case for going to war with Iraq.
    - Nano_Thermite_911
      
      http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t4662.html
      
      “9`/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton himself says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.” (Yes I agree)
      
      Here is the video and you can see the man making the following quote if you want to.
      http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t4662.html
      
      Lee Hamilton says that the 9/11 Commission was “set up to fail” and that “you can go down the list, at least 100 people have something to hide.” He also says that people will be investigating 9/11 for a century and, IMO, irritably implies that the interviewer knows what he’s talking about
      
      As for Senator Max Cleland
      “The commission had to subpoena the F.A.A. for documents, had to subpoena NORAD for documents and they will never get the full story. That is one of the tragedies. One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up.”
      http://911truthnews.com/max-cleland-on-the-whitehouse-cover-up/
      
      Bob Kerry admits 9/11 “is a 30 year conspiracy” Interesting that he would use those choice words of his own volition, maybe he actually means it is a conspiracy?? http://maya12-21-2012.com/2012forum/index.php?topic=9595.0
      
      Also they know that if they go to far to reveal the truth, the Kennedy treatment is not so outlandish given the stakes, do you really think they are so naive? Of course they may follow up with statements that provide them some semblance of cover but I am skeptical of your accounting of their intentions. Bottom line is we don’t have the answers and they admit as much.
      
      Interesting you guys never addressed most of my facts. Let me remind you.
      
      1. Bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI for 9/11
      http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists
      
      2. Building 7 (ever watched this collapse before?) how the hell can you explain what would have required 400 redundantly reinforced welded bolts simultaneously unwelding per second and per floor in order for the structure to fall into the path of greatest resistance at free fall velocities (Admitted by NIST) for the beginning 2.25 seconds?? Explain that one. NIST tried and of course won’t share their computer model code for others to see. How convenient. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0
      
      3. Destruction of financial data used for investigations in to Worldcom, Enron and the missing 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS (That is 3x’s the amount spent on Iraq and Afghan Wars in the last 7 years approx) just poof disappears and is admitted on record on 9/10/01 Thanks to Cynthia Mckinney. It just so happens that the very part of the pentagon that housed these documents as well as building 7 which housed this evidence miraculously implodes 7 hours later with no plane striking the building. You really have to have a kool aid IV and Enmea simultaneously to ignore this information. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLGkEwVH9g4
      
      I could go on and on but let’s face it. You can’t answer the basic 3 points above. You are not interested in debating an expert for a moment. You don’t want to know the truth.
      
      For those that do and have enough guts to look and think for themselves please watch
      Blue Print For Truth and ask why is this not broadcast far and wide? Do we need the corporate/media/industrial complex to give us the permission to see with our own eyes?
      
      “A man who Stands for nothing Will Fall for anything”.
      - Yith
        
        About the Hamilton quotes: he doesn’t have much respect for theories like controlled-demolition, HAARP, cold fusion explosives, and the like; You didn’t write down any evidence that he thought that the commission actually DID fail (as I already pointed out to you); Regarding the “100 people” who had something to hide, he didn’t mean secret government agencies conspiring about false flag attacks; Lastly, there really ARE enough unanswered questions to spend 100 years working over… just as there are about virtually any major historical event, as any historian will tell you.
        
        About the Max Cleland “cover it up” quote: you didn’t say what he thinks they want to “cover up”. A false flag attack on the WTC buildings is not what he had in mind.
        
        Bob Kerrey’s “30 year conspiracy”: 911 most definitely was a conspiracy… a conspiracy of 19 (or 20) hijackers and their various comrades. But without more detailed information, including context, it is hard to say exactly what Kerrey had in mind.
        
        `Context’ really seems to be a problem for troofers. It’s like the old Beevis and Butthead cartoons where upon hearing a word like “ask”, Butthead would say, “UHuuuh… huuhh… he said ASS.” (and then Beevis would say, “Yeah! Yeah! hehhhh!”). You really need to read the quotes in their full context, and investigate claims IN CONTEXT to decide whether they are credible or not.
        
        Now, about the three points above:
        
        1. Why is Bin Laden not wanted for 9/11? Fortunately, I don’t have to look this up myself… others have done it for me:
        
        http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Connecting_bin_Laden_to_9-11
        
        Also: what did the G-men go after Al Capone for? It was income tax evasion. Why?
        
        2. See
        
        http://www.structuremag.org/Archives/2007-11/SF-WTC7-Gilsanz-Nov07.pdf
        
        Looks like a better theory than controlled-demolition to me.
        
        Please supply for me a TEXT link to a statement that NIST will not share their computer code. (And, just as important, the precise context — were parts of the code classified? Copyrighted? )
        
        3. You don’t seriously believe that do you?
        
        The first thing I want to point out to you is the fact that the problem of the “2.3 trillion dollars” had been announced long before 9/10/01:
        
        http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002hxm
        
        Second, it couldn’t have been in relation to “assets on hand”, as you can see from the list of DoD assets in that AP article. It rather involved long-term records of charges (maybe going back 30 years or more — ooh! 30-year conspiracy). More precisely, according to the Hearings before the Committee on Armed Services United States Senate before the 107th Congress: “That audit report found that out of $7.6 trillion in Department level accounting interest, $2.3 trillion in entries either did not contain adequate documentation or were improperly reconciled, or were made to force buyer and seller data to agree.” No stealing, no “missing money” (e.g. to pay for nano-termite and HAARP beam weapons).
        
        Show me an authoritative source (which doesn’t include Cynthia McKinney) attesting to the fact that all the records regarding the “2.3 trillion dollar accounting errors” were lost on 9/11.
        
        ^^^^^
        
        Let me finish by pointing out one more thing: there are many very basic questions about everyday things that are not easy to answer, yet we just accept that we “know things”. Why not apply the same reasoning to large-scale investigations? Or to the moon landing, for that matter?
        
        Here are a few examples of what I mean:
        
        1. What causes you to more forward when you walk? Is it that you push off on your back foot? Or that you rock and fall forward? Or that you push up and off with your front foot? Ever think about that question? (It has an easy answer — but it might take you a second or two to work it out).
        
        2. When you hold up a piece of paper in a mirror, it appears to reverse everything from right-to-left, but up-and-down appears to not be reversed. Why is this? (Could it be a “conspiracy of mirrors”?)
        
        3. A federal agent tells you he will pay you a visit some time next week (to investigate your drug use) on a weekday (M-F, 9-5 sometime). He tells you the day he will show up will be a “surprise”. But you know better, reasoning as follows: “well, he can’t show up on Friday, because by Thursday if he hadn’t shown I’d know he’ll be here tomorrow, making it not a surprise. But I can also eliminate Thursday by the same reasoning, since I know he’ll be here MTW or R. Continuing, I can eliminate every day of the week.” Now of course there’s a problem with this line of reasoning, but what is it? And if you can’t find it, does it mean there must be a conspiracy somewhere?
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        So you’re not going to offer an answer for Bin Laden not being wanted for the crimes of 9/11. Then who masterminded it? I mean they somehow fingered the boogeyman bin laden within hours of the attacks but there is no huge outrage in mainstream media when he is not wanted by the FBI for the crimes of 9/11? If I lost a loved one I sure as hell would want to know who did it. Sad that you are so willing to gloss over this and then focus on aspects less central but equally telling.
        
        Classic misdirection techniques.
        I’m not going to argue with you on all points not because I cannot but I prefer to focus on building the way for people to see what you are hiding.
        
        You can read any of my posts on this thread and feel free to review the evidence provided. If you choose not to I can’t really pretend a real discussion is what you want in the first place.
      - Yith
        
        “So you’re not going to offer an answer for Bin Laden not being wanted for crimes of 9/11. Then who masterminded it?”
        
        I think that the government was actually responsible for all the mass murder that Al Capone was accused of by the public. My argument? Well, just look at why “they” went after him: tax evasion. I mean, obviously since “mass murder” wasn’t right at the top of the list, simple logic dictates it must have been the government who did the “mass murder”. Am i right? Am I right? I mean this isn’t rocket science here…
        
        “Classic misdirection techniques.”
        
        Ohhhhhh…. I know what you need to see:
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBHEsEshhLs
      - Tuna Ghost
        
        Building 7. Has. Been. Explained. I’ve personally shown you the evidence. How long are you going to keep spouting half-truths and all-out lies?
- Drinky McGee
  
  Don’t try to argue with these folks, Yith. They formed a conclusion before the facts were ever known and nothing will ever shake their faith.
  
  I remember when Disinformation used to make fun of outlandish conspiracy theories. Those were the days. The only difference between the 9/11 falderal and the Montauk Project is that the Montauk Project is fun to read about.
  - ArgosyJones
    
    I second that. Sadly there may be many secrets hidden from the public in the 9/11 story. But they won’t be discovered by watching youtube videos over and over, or nattering on and on about nano thermite paint, or taking DMT. The Troofers have become a kind of internet cult, like Ron Paul enthusiasts or ‘Austrian’ economists. It’s no coincidence that there is such a large overlapping membership between the groups.
    
    These people can’t handle the truth– they must have the TROOF, and nothing less wil do.
    - Nano_Thermite_911
      
      Umm WTF? This makes no fucking sense at all. So yeah I guess if you stand up and question your gov’t and their atrocities that you are “nattering”. You don’t sound like a disinfo shill at all.
      
      “These people can’t handle the truth–” Um which people are you referring too? Millions around the world know the gig is up. Some people want to to escape to the comfort of dorritos, xbox and internet porn because that is all they have and all they know. Real Men and Women are not internet cowards who spit upon everything great about our nation with mindless rants that expose their complete lack of humanity or courage.
      
      For those with two brain cells to rub together speak out and don’t let cowards like Argosy discourage you.
      
      Examine the Evidence for yourselves.
      ae911truth.org
      - ArgosyJones
        
        This makes no fucking sense at all.
        
        I was pointing out that you, and thousands of your allies, are not after the truth. Instead, you are members of an evangelical cult whose primary activity is internet trolling. I wouldn’t expect you to understand that, just as I wouldn’t expect a scientologist to refer to himself as a cultist.
        
        So yeah I guess if you stand up and question your gov’t and their atrocities that you are “nattering”.
        
        In this case, yes. Nanothermite on 9/11 is a nonsense theory. It only was proposed years after the fact by conspiracy theorists who were trying to maintain the viability of controlled demolition theories in the abscence of evidence of explosives. It is essentially hush-a-boom, a silent and invisible explosive that can be installed without a trace, and take down a skyscraper without emitting sound or light.
        
        You don’t sound like a disinfo shill at all.
        
        Paranoid, Hmm. You don’t have any evidence that I’m a shill, or otherwise working for the bad guys, but you’re willing to slander me as one.
        
        “These people can’t handle the truth–” Um which people are you referring too?
        
        I’m referring to you and your fellow internet cult-members, of course.
        
        Some people want to to escape to the comfort of dorritos, xbox and internet porn because that is all they have and all they know.
        
        And some people want to escape from comfort of dorritos, xbox and internet porn because that is all they have and all they know. I support that impulse, but joining a cult of internet trolls is not the answer.
        
        Real Men and Women are not internet cowards who spit upon everything great about our nation with mindless rants that expose their complete lack of humanity or courage.
        
        You scored an “own goal”! You make this too easy.
        
        For those with two brain cells… don’t let cowards like Argosy discourage you.
        
        People with only two brain cells are hard to discourage anyway, which should be clear, based on the number of posts you make. See what I mean? It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
        
        Examine the Evidence for yourselves.
        ae911truth.org
        
        Nice, linking to Richard Gage. I counted up the licensed architects who have signed the petition. It is fewer than 250. There are 96,000+ licensed architects in the United states. Gage has had almost 10 years now to gather the signatures of a fraction of a percent of licensed architects. I’m not very impressed, and you shouldn’t be either.
        
        edited for formatting and to say this:
        Richard gage bought a lot of those architects lunch.
        http://www2.ae911truth.org/donate.php
        As he freely admits, Gage gives presentations over a free lunch. This buys him a captive audience for about an hour. During that time he presents only the evidence that he wants his audience to see. Even with this much advantage, Gage has in 10 years since 9/11 managed to convince approximately 1/4 of a percent of architects to sign a petition that only calls for a new investigation, and does not support any of Gage’s conspiracy theories.
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        So in other words all you can do to answer scientific facts is to pour on Ad hominem attacks? Obviously.
        
        Um first of all Richard Gage didn’t start Architects and Engineers on September 11th 2001 Dumb Ass.
        So again your statements are demonstrably false. AE911Truth.Org was founded in 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architects_%26_Engineers_for_9/11_Truth
        
        Second of all just because there are 96,000 Architects in the world doesn’t mean that Richard Gage has managed to contact them all let alone get them to watch Blueprint for Truth. Anyone watching on the sidelines, feel free to watch Blueprint for Truth, and then you will see why this individual only has one card to play and that is slander. It’s a grassroots movement meaning we don’t get funded by the government like the shills from the pentagon who get paid to troll. Therefore, again, your assumptions are illogical.
        
        Now people are waking up and I know that scares you. Grassroot funded commercials like the buildingwhat.org campaign have showed many New Yorkers the truth about Building 7 for the very first time. If Building 7 is no big deal than why hide it? Maybe it’s because Larry don’t like that he admitted he pulled it and Karma is BITCH. I feel bad for that evil troll because when New Yorkers find out I would not want to be in Larry’s shoes. They will be finding out very soon as the next round is set to roll out soon. Lupe’s album is #1 and the first single calls out the lies. 200,000 sold in the first week. 200,000 souls learn the truth and then it multiplies. Smothering your lies.
        
        It doesn’t take a majority of anyone to make change, how many people does it take for the Pentagon Papers to be read into congressional record and end the war earlier than the war profiteers would like? Answer 1. Senator Mike Gravel so you can keep trying your mind tricks but the Truth is too powerful for your lies.
        
        By the way why is Bin Laden not officially wanted for the crimes of 9/11?? How do you explain this? It should be real simple. Not enough evidence, so that would support what then? That the real perpetrators are still on the loose. Therefore it only makes sense that we should have a real investigation.
        http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists
        
        USAMA BIN LADEN
        Murder of U.S. Nationals Outside the United States; Conspiracy to Murder U.S. Nationals Outside the United States; Attack on a Federal Facility Resulting in Death
        REWARD: The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.
        Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.
        Bin Laden is left-handed and walks with a cane.
        
        Notice 9/11 is not mentioned there at ALL. Care to explain??
        
        As for bringing up dirty words like Cult to diminish the work of Proud, Courageous, Intelligent, and Patriotic American’s all I can say is it’s obvious you can’t deal with the facts so you must resort to slander.
        
        Oh just a couple more. How does Weapons grade Nano-Thermite end up in the dust of all 3 world trade centers? Isn’t it funny that NIST didn’t even look for explosives?? Can’t find what you’re not looking for huh! What were the box cutters made out of nano thermite? What about the stand down orders from Cheney as recalled by Norman Minetta. He was in charge of NORAD that day after all. But of course your mind is incapable of seeing the bigger picture. This is all covered in Blueprint for Truth. Good luck trying to debunk that.
        
        So you’re telling me you went through all of the almost 1,500 hundred Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth and only found 250 liscensed. Prove it. What are there names and how did you determine this supposed fact?
        
        Dude I can keep this up all day. You can’t answer the facts. You should be Ashamed of yourself. Your are complicit in the suffering of millions by ignoring evidence of this crime.
        
        Peace Out Beeyatch!
        
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      - ArgosyJones
        
        So in other words all you can do to answer scientific facts is to pour on Ad hominem attacks?
        
        No. If you were putting out some scientific facts, I would respect you. But when confronted with lame incoherent conspiracy theories that slander my government in an attempt to divide my country even further based on false premises and lies, I refuse to treat my debating partners with that respect. So: you are like a cretinous turd who wraps himself in the flag, fouling all that he touches. You are like a verminous rat who eats America’s seed corn, leaving only turds in exchange. You repeatedly congratulate yourself and your fellow cultists for “courage”, for “standing up”, for being “intelligent”, but a world where you exemplify these virtues would be a world without them. If the US government was as evil and all seeing and murderous as you pretend, you would be long dead. No internet troll is worthy of the appellation ‘courageous’.
        
        …AE911Truth.Org was founded in 2006…
        
        Well I guess you told me. Looks like you win. Oh wait, that changes nothing of substance, so I still win. Richard Gage has had plenty of time to persuade america’s architects. So far he has managed to actually persuade about 250. That’s about 50 per year of the existence of his group.
        Want to Know why Richard is not successful? Check out this video. His ignorance is on display in full force http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFVoencqfZw Gage is about on a level with you internet cultists.
        
        It’s a grassroots movement meaning we don’t get funded by the government like the shills from the pentagon who get paid to troll.
        
        You know how crazy you sound when you say that, right? Cause you sound very f’ing crazy. You are not doing battle with the forces of evil here. I am not typing this from a secure location near DC. I am not drawing a check either. Your drug abuse is making you paranoid. Maybe you need to go on a cleanse, man.
        
        If Building 7 is no big deal than why hide it?
        
        It was never hidden, you ignorant dillweed. You should know this, having watched youtube footage from the day it fell down many thousands of times. I’m telling you man, get off drugs just for a few days, and see if I am on to something. Where did you get the idea that it was hidden? And how could it possibly be hidden? Carlos Castenada called…he wants his peyote back.
        
        How does Weapons grade Nano-Thermite end up in the dust of all 3 world trade centers? Isn’t it funny that NIST didn’t even look for explosives??
        
        I covered that in my previous comment, but I shoud add that you are a deluded fool.
        
        So you’re telling me you went through all of the almost 1,500 hundred Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth and only found 250 liscensed. Prove it. What are there names and how did you determine this supposed fact?
        
        OK, this is rich. You link to AE911TROOF in every post, but you never looked at the list of architects?
        It’s right here: http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php#supporters those architects listed as ‘degreed and licenced’ are fewer than 250. I determined that fact by a method known as counting; I learned it in grade school. Their names are right out in the open for all to see; that is the nature of a petition. You can find the total number of architects in the US here; http://www.ncarb.org/en/News-and-Events/News/1999/06-Survey-Reveals-Number-of-Architects-in-the-US.aspx It is 96,966.
        Richard Gage and his cadre of jerks have utterly failed to persuade america’s architects, and they’ve given up. That’s why they’ve gone on to making TV commercials.
        
        Please f’ing tell me that you are on SSI Disability or won the lottery. I should hate to think that you’re walking around with actual responsibilities.
        
        I can’t wait for the day that you troofers crawl back inside the leprous manatees that spawned you all those years ago. Please take Ron Paul with you.
      - Investinourftre
        
        Wow Jones, even a layman can tell that you have no real argument here, rather you talk much like the politicians of today. I question who do you work for Mr. Jones? Why are you so steadfast in opposing Nano? What do you have to gain? Or are you just another Gov bot sent to make the populace think anyone with an opinion is a drunk and a freeloader?
      - ArgosyJones
        
        …who do you work for Mr. Jones? …. are you just another Gov bot sent to make the populace think anyone with an opinion is a drunk and a freeloader?
        
        Another paranoiac. You guys love to impugn the motives of your sparring partners. Somehow anyone who disagrees with you must somehow be on the take, hushing up crimes for pay, or maybe a member of the conspiracy himself. having established the criminality of all opposition, you can safely ignore them.
        
        I’ll tell you what, here’s a hypothetical situation. You’re in your back yard. you take a shovel and you start to dig a pit straight down. Deeper and deeper you go, until you dig too deep, and the walls of the pit collapse on top of you, suffocating you to death. Problem solved.
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        Argosy who are you really? Care to debate a rep from AE911?? I bet you won’t last 10 minutes. Step up to the plate!
        Lets make this happen. You got a web cam? I can make this happen easy and we can put it on the front page baby. Let’s let the audience decide how about it??
        ae911truth.org
      - ArgosyJones
        
        Interesting proposition. What is the debate format? who will moderate? Which representative will I debate? When will the debate take place. May I use slides and movies? How about name calling? What are the technical requirements.
        
        Are you an official representative of AE911truth.org? How long will the debate remain on the front page of that website?
        
        We’ll keep in touch.
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        I am not an official representative just a volunteer. That being said we could start with respectful emails where you bring your evidence and contention forward and one of the representatives could reply in kind.
        
        We could then post this on Disinfo and let the audience weigh in. As for name calling, that was initially your sides tactic so don’t start any won’t be any.
        
        What are your qualifications? You would have to drop anonymity I’m afraid to participate.
      - ArgosyJones
        
        I am not an official representative just a volunteer.
        
        So I guess when you said “I can make this happen easy and we can put it on the front page baby” was just bluster. I thought as much.
        
        We could then post this on Disinfo and let the audience weigh in.
        
        Aren’t we doing that already?
        
        As for name calling, that was initially your sides tactic so don’t start any won’t be any.
        
        No, no, you have it backwards. Name calling is a necessity, especially when debating the mooncalves in the truth movement.
        
        What are your qualifications?
        
        I have a Ph.D in bulllshit detection from Wottsamatta U.
        
        You would have to drop anonymity…
        
        You first, buckaroo.
        
        …I’m afraid…
        
        Be very afraid. Your reign of terror is over, NanoTermite.
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        No I could have a representative debate you anytime but you don’t really care about the facts do you.
        I guess this is why no architects or engineers will stand up for the government’s conspiracy theory in a man to man debate.
        http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news/41-articles/381-strongest-911-myth-arguments-crumble-as-truth-prevails.html
      - ArgosyJones
        
        No I could have a representative debate you anytime
        
        Aaand we’e back to bluster.
        
        this is why no architects or engineers will stand up for the government’s conspiracy theory in a man to man debate
        
        It’s bad enough just that you troll this website incessantly, but your online persona is too much entirely. If you expect anyone to be intimidated by the posturing and bluffing, please check out the WWE forums.
        
        I’ll get back to the more substantive of your posts within a few days. But in the meantime I would like to ask you to stop lying about the number of architects and engineers that have signed Richard Gage’s petition. It is less than 500. I have pointed this out to you several times. Why do you insist upon misrepresenting the facts?
        
        I’ll deal with your (non)claim about Bin Laden immediately since its so easy.
        
        blockquote>7. Osama Bin Laden not wanted for 9/11 according to FBI Web-site (how does this not bother you??)
        
        Well it’s simple: you don’t care, so I don’t care either. If the FBI had put 9/11 on Osama’s sheet, you would just say it was a big fat lie, and claim it wasn’t evidence of anything. So stop pretending that this is evidence that you care about, please, and stop bringing up these random distractions.
        
        The rest of your claims are going to take a while to make sense of. You seem to be spiraling out of control.
        
        Talk to you soon, NanoTermite,
        -AJ
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        No bluster, you’re just not worth the effort. The Architects an Engineers (1469 as of today and growing) http://ae911truth.org/ Will continue this good work. You can continue doing whatever it is you do.
        
        I guess you are not so interested in the truth as in doing your best to distract, discredit, and discourage others from finding out what has really happened and what is really happening in the world of 9/11 truth.
        
        That is your choice. So I will just let the facts speak for themselves.
        
        Peace
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        PatriotsQuestion911.org
      - ArgosyJones
        
        The Architects an Engineers (1469 as of today and growing) http://ae911truth.org/ Will continue this good work.
        
        Termite, I asked you already; please stop lying about the number of architects and engineers who have signed Gage’s petition. You have already been provided with the link, now you can “do your own research” by counting. If you forgot, here’s the link: http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php#supporters . This really isn’t that hard; you won’t even have to take off your tinfoil hat.
        
        For someone so committed to truth, you sure have a thick skull, which is odd for a spineless worm. Did you ever stop and ask yourself what kind of truth movement it is that lies to its members and asks them to repeat arguments on the internet that they do not even understand? Or what kind of movement consists of internet volunteers who spam popular forums?
        
        Take a look at yourself, Termite. I have pointed out several times that you’re misrepresenting the number of actual architects and engineers who have signed Richard Gage’s petition. But you don’t have the courage to look for yourself. You’re a pathetic shadow of a man, spamming for an internet cult. What are you going to tell your grandchildren you did during this time in your life?
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        It’s called the Architects and Engineers for a reason. There are 57 pages of documentation of the signers and their accreditation. http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php?o=1 1469 and Growing!
        
        Not sure what argument you are trying to make exactly. Are you saying that by using plain english that they are somehow being disingenuous? Man you are really grasping at straws now.
        
        Also you are not really making much sense with your emotionally overdrawn responses. Try to take a deep breath or two and construct a logical argument.
        
        I know you are just trying to get under my skin because you know you have no logical argument for the facts as expressed. You want to insinuate that you know me or my personality as a way to pull me down to your level. Guess what it’s not about me.
        
        This is bigger than any ego on a blog.
        
        911 Truth Ends Wars!
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        “All great truths begin as blasphemies.” – George Bernard Shaw
      - ArgosyJones
        
        It’s called the Architects and Engineers for a reason. There are 57 pages of documentation….
        
        The 57 pages of documentation clearly show that there are fewer than 500 licensed professionals (architects and engineers) who have signed the petition the other 900 people are not architects or engineers. All I was asking you to do is stop claiming almost three times that number. To do otherwise is to perpetuate a falsity. I had held out hope that you could be reasoned with, if I just showed you the facts from sources you link to in every post. I was wrong. You are a basket case, dead from the neck up.
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        So now it’s 500? Last time you said 250? Can’t you keep your red herring arguments straight? By the way
        Here is a link to their process. Maybe you should take it up with them?
        Their claim is that they are Verified. Here is their definition of Verified.
        1,400 of whom are licensed and/or degreed A/E professionals.
        
        Now I know you will probably say they are not licensed and thus we should dismiss them. So would a Doctor who has retired have to revoke the years of experience working in their field if they chose not to go through the expensive and time consuming process of maintaining their licenses? Should they not be allowed to testify or offer advice because a governing body needs to be paid for certificate to allow them to speak from a place of experience?
        
        But again you’re not looking for logical presentation of facts rather you want to attack anything and everything to avoid looking at the real issues. I don’t know what motivates you to do so but I have clearly stated all of the facts that are not in dispute (even by NIST) so you can make of it what you will.
        
        Please find the link below confirming my above statements as well as a very thorough explanation as to the lengths this Volunteer organization goes to to ensure their signers are Verified.
        
        http://ae911truth.org/en/news/41-articles/430-credibility.html
        
        Ensuring Our Credibility: The AE911Truth Verification Team
        Written by Brian Romanoff
        Friday, 07 January 2011 14:27
        Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth has an extraordinary Verification Team. They are a very special group of volunteers – individually responsible for ensuring that signers of the AE911Truth petition are real and the information they provide is accurate. All petition signers are verified, whether they are architects, engineers, or “other” supporters, and regardless of whether they live in the United States. Verifying 13,000 petition signers, 1,400 of whom are licensed and/or degreed A/E professionals, is no small task.
        Sean Brizendine led the Verifications Team with exceptional skills and dedication throughout 2010
        In 2010 alone, more than 400 professional architects and engineers were verified and displayed on the AE911Truth petition. Each of domestic A/E signer is contacted personally by phone by one of the Verification Team volunteers. Most of these professionals are surprised, then satisfied and thankful for the time and effort we spend verifying their credentials. After making personal contact with each signer, the volunteer reviews the signer’s credentials. If contact cannot be made or if appropriate credentials cannot be found, we do not count or display the signer on our A/E professionals list.
        Even the thousands of people who sign our petition in the “others” category are reviewed for valid emails, phone numbers, and other criteria. While reviewing the body of other supporters, we have found many amazingly skilled individuals ranging from physicists to lawyers and veterans. In fact, many people in the others category are also architects or engineers by trade, but without the credentials we need for the professionals category. Please visit and read some of the testimonies from either category, as both have much to offer.
        
        Throughout 2010, the Verifications Team was led by Sean Brizendine, who worked tirelessly to make sure all the volunteers’ questions were answered and issues resolved. He also called most of those professional signers himself.
        
        Sean was backed by a diverse group of volunteers throughout the year, including many who are still with the current Verifications Team. Carol Cleveland, Laura Nieboer, Brian Romanoff, Laila Selk and Blake Shatto make up the Verifications Team heading into 2011. Sean Brizendine has graciously passed the torch on and moved to other necessary AE911Truth operations.
        
        Our weekly Verification Conference calls are a vital communication tool. Emails sometimes just aren’t enough (and sometimes they are too much!). Every week there are more petition signers than days, and some signers offer challenges as well as rewards. A thank-you email is sent to every single signer by the Verifications Team .
        
        We look forward to an exciting year, and are aiming to reach 600 new professional signers which will bring us to a pivotal 2,000 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth in 2011! If you haven’t yet signed the petition, please do so now. It’s never too late to take responsible heroic action.
      - ArgosyJones
        
        fewer than 250 architects plus fewer than 250 engineers equals fewer than 500 licensed professionals in all. Too bad I had to spell that out to you, but what can I expect, this isn’t Harvard.
        
        Anyway, thank you for admitting that my point was correct, even if you argue that it doesn’t matter if someone is licensed. Personally, yes, I think it matters, the license is what separates a professional from a layman; it represents verified achievements, both academic and professional. This is implicit in the very premise of “architects and engineers for 911 truth” it’s unfortunate that you and Richard feel the need to pad your numbers with students, drafters, office boys and other assorted hangers on.
        
        I might also add that it is you who has not responded to any of my point by point rebuttals of your paranoid fantasies.
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        Oh lord…. http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php
        Notice they say Licensed and degreed signers. This is not “padding” you are just looking for a way to dismiss the evidence. They have been nothing but truthful with their declaration and for you to suggest otherwise simply shows the level you will stoop to to sling mud.
        
        Science is not majority rule. If it were we would probably have never evolved out of the dark ages. That nasty Catholic church had a nasty habit of torturing and burning at the stake anyone who challenged their narrow minded, psychopathic control needs.
        
        Sad to say some people continue in these outdated mindsets.
        
        But hey if you need every Architect and Engineer in the world to give you psychological permission to stand up when you see murder being condoned and excused by the priesthood. That is your own issue.
        
        By the way, it is a Volunteer organization after all, no tax derived freebies, hard working AMERICAN’s disagree with their government and thank god The Constitution was written to ensure exactly this dissent. So I ask you. Why do you hate the constitution? See what I did? I used a little of your black magic there. I really don’t assume you hate the Constitution, I just know you don’t understand history or what was really intended with that document. I framed the question trying to corner you as you would I. But I have more ethics than that so just consider that a little nudge as to how you come off.
        
        As for evidence, again it is clearly all listed above in my posts. You can say whatever you want, it’s fine, the facts still stand and anyone who reads through all of this will see your attitude and intentions for what they are. I’ve got to get back to the work of organizing good people who can still think, feel, and act on truth to lead the charge for a new investigation with subpoena power. That way Bush and Co won’t be able to hold hands and not have anything recorded like before when they were questioned by the 9/11 omission commission (no mention of building 7 in that report)
        
        Anyone who sees Building 7 collapse has all the information they need to question the official story. Thank God that there are brave individuals out there who do challenge the lies of empire.
        
        You are not one of them and I’m sorry that you have obviously become so brainwashed that you can’t see the forest for the trees and need to focus on myopic red herrings as a way to bolster your fallacious points. Oh that and name calling, non sequiturs and distraction.
        
        It’s a little too easy now that your pattern has been established.
        Therefore I wish you well you and your doppleganger friends!
        
        AuRevoir and May Liberty, Justice, Freedom, Truth, Honest Inquiry of the Facts and Love Reign!
        
        PS> You don’t happen to work for Ga Tech as an english professor do you?
      - ArgosyJones
        
        Scroll down you moron.
      - LCD USMC
        
        Jones is weak. Don’t give him anymore of your energy patriot. keep fighting the good fight.
      - American_girl
        
        If this doesn’t effect you and its got no merit – then why are you here? why not go comment on something about what ever interests you? You seem soo upset by the folks on here who have questions. You know who had questions? Barry Jennings who worked for Guliani. WTC 7 was the emergency management office. Barry was the manager of that. You should look up his video on youtube. He asks some very relevant questions. – But sadly he’s dead now. He was stuck in building 7 for some reason before it fell. they said the Boiler exploded. If that was the case– dont you think the NIST report would have mentioned that??? – nope – not a word of that in there…
      - LCD USMC
        
        He doesn’t work for anyone. He’s just some weak a$$ punk who will probably kill himself once the media cancels dancing with the stars lol.
      - ArgosyJones
        
        http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/internet-tough-guy.jpg
      - Afua Richardson
        
        yeah– some people get really fired up about telling people they’re wrong. Its cool tho. Just wait till this all comes out. he’ll turn around n say ” Oh yeah well i knew there was something wrong all along” just like when it wasn’t popular to dislike Bush. everyone jumped on the band wagon AFTER he was out of office. But he was an idiot. And everyone knew it and only a few said something.
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        So what you mean to say is, Fire just destroys everything it touches even steel framed buildings. But only on 9/11! How dare I question the government, excuse me Mr. Limbaugh, Your government!
        
        So now that your personal 2 minute hate is over how about we revisit the evidence.
        
        1. Nano Thermite conclusively found in the dust of all 3 World Trade Centers.
        2. First time in history steel framed hi rises completely destroyed due to kerosene according to you and anyone else who doesn’t want to believe they could be lied to by their government.
        3. 2.3 trillion conveniently goes missing the day before 9/11/01
        4. 32 people die who would have had direct knowledge of accounting exactly where the missle struck the pentagon. April Gallup crawls out of the hole notices no plane debris and testifies as much http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88JQL4esHFg
        5. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess stranded in Building 7 before the towers come down. Barry Jennings reports stepping on dead bodies as he is escorted out of Building 7, testifies as much to Loose Change crew, later dies mysteriously…
        6. 1,400 Architects and Engineers stake their reputation and livelihood to question their government’s conspiracy theory of the events of 9/11 (Like real patriots do)
        7. Osama Bin Laden not wanted for 9/11 according to FBI Web-site (how does this not bother you??)
        
        Ae911Truth.Org
        BuildingWhat.Org
        PatriotsQuestion911.com
        FireFightersfor911truth.org
        
        Real patriots stand up!
      - American_girl
        
        Actually, any company who wants to present something to another company does it over lunch. not sure what point you’re making.
        
        You can attack the people. But you can’t debate the science.
      - Sometimesfree
        
        Perhaps you should take a listen to the 4 star general who thinks we should have a new investigation too. He’s got nothing to gain in stating that.
    - American_girl
      
      Truth is – anyone who fought in the Vietnam war fought for nothing.
      Truth is – the event that lead to that war was a false flag attack Re: the gulf of tonkin ( wiki it)
      The truth is – Joe Rogan isn’t a scientist or an FBI whisleblower or a soldier on the ground who’s discovered that
      The truth is— You’re paying for an illegal war and you’re supporting murder.
      
      I’m not a truther – i’m just a real person. Real people were MLK who said we have guided missiles and misguided men.
      
      And the truth is – Mr Jones — You have the luxury of ignoring this war and ignoring the events of that day because you’re not getting your home broken into by soldiers arresting you for having a weapon.
      You’re not having your farm repossessed for the use of growing Opium. Your wife or son or daughter isn’t being returned to you in a box with a flag in it.
      
      Or maybe that IS happening to you and you don’t really care. — Either way don’t get on people for questioning just because you’re okay with being asleep.
  - Nano_Thermite_911
    
    So instead of informed discussion or debate you resort to ad hominem attacks. This is an immediate sign of being overmatched so you choose the only path available to you. Baseless slander and muckraking. So Drinky keep drinking your own kool aid and avoid the real work of thinking.
    
    It’s chic to be incapable of intelligent discourse on the most crucial story/crime of this century. Let’s just let our government lead us down the path of destruction like the pied piper. Drinky Mcgee show us the way!!
    
    Thinking is overrated. We needn’t worry about Building 7. We needn’t heed the evidence that overwhelmingly demonstrates that the War on Terror is a Lie. Let’s send more of our family members to slaughter and be slaughtered for the profit of the war pigs.
    - Drinky McGee
      
      I’ll bow to you when it comes to the ad hominem attacks. You’re clearly an expert. Indeed, you and your ilk are down with all the finest logical fallacies. Straw man. Cherry picking. Argument from incredulity. It’s like I’m back in Logic 101 all over again. Questioning the government is wonderful and necessary. Making up persecution and paranoia fantasies backed by nothing but your own madness is not wonderful or necessary.
      
      I’m afraid that you lot just aren’t worth anyone’s time or attention. I wish you the best, though. WATCH OUT FOR THERMITE!!!
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        You may want to learn about the concept of projection. It’s amazing how you gloss over the points you can’t answer. Here is a link to the peer reviewed data supporting that explosives were used to bring down towers 1,2, and 7. http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
        
        I guess it really is only my own madness and not independent scientists in search of the truth. I don’t care what you say drinky. You are not important in the end as you are representing all of the denial and desecration of an empire in it’s death throes. I’m done as well. You’ve poured a ton of shit into a conversation so you could avoid the facts.
        
        They still stand.
        
        1. Nano Thermite conclusively found in dust
        2. Building 7 not struck by a plane and somehow manages to achieve free fall accelerations for 2.25 seconds for 8 stories (over 100 feet) not to mention NIST own admission that their best theory only has a slight probability of being accurate.
        3. Molten Steel present in the wreckage of all 3 imploded towers (Kerosene does not burn hot enough to create molten steel (not high level math or science required for this)
        4. Over 1,400 Architects and Engineers do support a new investigation based on the immense evidence amassed. By the way since you know so much why don’t you debate one of them on a phone call or skype conference?? I could Easily arrange this. Then we could see who you are and what you really know against an expert.
        
        Do you accept this challenge or is that too much light for your troll ass to handle?
        
        I wonder how you will avoid this?
      - ArgosyJones
        
        Here is a link to the peer reviewed data supporting that explosives were used to bring down towers 1,2, and 7. http://www.benthamscience.com/…
        
        Nice one. The editor of that publication resigned in protest after the article was published without her knowledge. That pretty much says it all. Bentham is the scientific equivalent of vanity press. http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6664637.html
        
        1. Nano Thermite conclusively found in dust
        
        That conclusion has only been reached by conspiracy hound and retired physicist Steven Jones in the very same vanity press article that I mentioned above. Mr. Jones was relieved of his duties after he went off the deep end. His work was rejected by the engineering faculty of BYU.
        
        2. Building 7 not struck by a plane and somehow manages to achieve free fall accelerations for 2.25 seconds for 8 stories (over 100 feet) not to mention NIST own admission that their best theory only has a slight probability of being accurate.
        
        Building 7 was struck by a big ass piece of one of the twin towers and had diesel fuel stored inside which burned. The fire was left to burn by the firefighters, who had already experienced a tremendous loss of life that day in the twin towers’ collapse. IIRC, the Sprinkler system was deprived of water due to water system damage during the towers’ collapse. It’s not that mysterious.
        
        3. Molten Steel present in the wreckage of all 3 imploded towers (Kerosene does not burn hot enough to create molten steel (not high level math or science required for this)
        
        I have yet to see significant evidence of molten steel. What I expect to see is a photograph of steel (not aluminum) that has melted, and subsequently solidified, not merely bent steel, ambiguous glowing substances or thirdhand eyewitness reports.
        
        . Over 1,400 Architects and Engineers do support a new investigation
        
        Another lie. Richard Gage’s petition has been signed by fewer than 250 licensed architects and fewer than 250 licensed engineers. The remaining people on the petition have degrees in many different technical fields not all of which are relevant in the least. In the United States, there are more than 100,000 architects, and more than 260,000 licensed civil engineers. Looked at this way, Richard Gage has convinced 0.14% of the relevant professionals to sign his petition. I have great respect for professionals and educated people. But it is not hard for me to believe that 0.14% of them could be wrong about a controversial subject such as this.
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        I bet I know which “2″ people liked this! hahaha.
        Ok you have made it too easy again.
        
        How about that molten steel. Anyone with eyes and ears can see the witness testimony as well as photographic evidence. But hey why should we trust the heroes on the scene that day? Maybe FireFightersfor911truth.org could answer that question but here is the video evidence for anyone who wants to know how bad these guys are lying.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0
        
        You’re suggesting that Steven Jones was fired because people disagreed with him, it’s amazing what power government pressure to stymie dissent can have in this land of the free. Funny how we treat whistle blowers in this country (Bradley Manning anyone?!?) or how about Kevin Ryan. You really think it’s that easy to question the biggest lie of the new century? Seems anytime someone questions the government and has a case they end up being fired, sabotaged or killed. (Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson come to mind)
        
        Also you are reiterating the official conspiracy theory and suggesting that fires solely were responsible for bringing down all three towers. Let’s just focus on Building 7. What temperature does steel melt at again? Titanium reinforced steel at that? How hot can diesel or hyrdocarbon fed fires burn? Also how is it that random asymmetrical fires can lead to a global collapse across the entire edifice simultaneously again?
        
        How is it possible that freefall could be achieved at all at the onset of global collapse? Please enlighten me how random office fires achieve this. Also you do know that there were no raging fires present at 3pm and again this is all nicely countered here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0
        How do random office fires simultaneously compromise to the point of failure welded steel bolts fastening the building together?
        
        “A single, localized failure (a girder unseated – NIST) could not cause the systematic and totalFAILURE OF 400 OTHER STRUCTURAL STEEL CONNECTIONS PER SECOND.”
        
        Here again is the evidence http://www.scribd.com/doc/34799106/Trust-Your-Eyes-the-Facts-and-the-Laws-of-Physics
        
        The Truth is in the Evidence: FDNY and others found several tons ofmolten metal “flowing like lava” under all 3 high-rises.
        
        1400°F office fires cannot produce 2700+°F molten metal.
        
        Thermite incendiaries can. Microspheres formed from molten iron and aluminum were found in the WTC dust by USGS, the environmental firm RJ Lee, and independent physicists.
        
        Thermite reactions account for this phenomenon. WTC dust samples contain small chips of highly energetic nano-thermitecomposite materials – uniformly nano- sized, proportioned and embedded in an organic gas- generating (explosive) matrix. Evidence Excludedfrom the NIST Report: 123 45 Most of the rubble from the implosion ended up in this neat pile —centered within the original footprint.
        
        The 47-story steel-framed structure was dismembered and reduced to a small pile only a few stories high – with complete destruction- unmistakable signs of a controlled demolition implosion.
        
        Hot spots atop the rubble, detected by NASA infrared imaging, persisted for weeks, indicating temperatures in the pile far above those of normal office fires.
        
        Evidence of melted steel and “severe high temperature corrosion” documented in Appendix C of FEMA report. Problem: FEMA’s May 2002 report concluded that its hypothesis [diesel-fuel-fed fire] had only a “low probability of occurrence” and that “further investigation and analysis were required”, although at that time, removal and destruction of the evidence had already been orchestrated.
        
        Office fires don’t melt steel. Other research revealed the signature of thermite — an incendiary that creates molten iron. The collapse of WTC 7 looks like a classic explosive CONTROLLED DEMOLITION:
        
        The building falls almost straight down in about 7 seconds – and at free-fall acceleration for 100 feet — per NIST
        
        •The overall building mass falls uniformly through what was the path of greatest resistance.This requires a precisely timed, patterned removal of critical columns.
        
        •The kink in the roofline is characteristic of a demolition timing sequence that causes buildings to implode symmetrically by collapsing inward.  SMALL POCKETS OF SHORT-LIVED FIRES could not cause floor system failure by “thermal expansion” (NIST) in this modern fire-proofed steel-framed structure.  A
        
        I do not expect a well founded scientifically valid refutation of the above facts. Here comes the slander, ad hominem, distraction and red herring attacks!
      - Tuna Ghost
        
        All of these claims have been debunked, guy. Long ago. Remember the last time you were singing this song? I told you there were several easy to understand explanations, that I could show you them if you wanted to see them? And you said yeah and I showed them to you? Remember the diagrams, the charts, the actual physics? Remember how you left the conversation and never returned?
      - Drinky McGee
        
        Um, the issue has been settled. Long ago. I suppose a great deal of your identity is tied up in it now, though. You just can’t let go.
      - Nano_Thermite_911
        
        You’re right Drinky! I’m so personally invested in getting to the bottom of the crime of the century! What shall I do? Should I be like you and just pretend that whatever the government says is infallible truth? Should I aspired for a degree in Bullshit detection from whatsamatta U? You’re so wise.
        
        rememberbuilding7.org
      - ArgosyJones
        
        Watch out, New World Order lapdogs and sycophants, Detective McTermite is on the case… he might just stumble into something… probably a patch of poison ivy, but you never know… he might just find… The TROOF.
        
        Seriously, in ten years, I fully expect to be hearing someone “ask questions” about “what really happened that day”…at the burlington coat factory.
        
        Seriously, why are there no conspiracy theories about the Burlington Coat Factory. “They” say it was abandoned and sitting empty, but I have other theories… Why was the media silent on the fact that BCF was damaged on 9/11 right up until the manufactured ground zero mosque controversy almost TEN YEARS later.
      - Tuna Ghost
        
        Yeah, we don’t take you seriously because we’re either government agents or are incapable of believing the US gov’t doesn’t have our best interests at heart. Not because your claims have been debunked repeatedly, or because you sound like an idiot.
        
        Obviously.
      - ahokahai
        
        yeah you’re right – there were never any weapons of mass destruction. We all know that our government launches wars with resource profit in mind. Like Libya being bombed for Humanitarian reasons?? HA – try that have a large oil repository and Gadafi made it so the country is now gaining the benefit of that instead of having other countries come in and drill. Its kinda like you have a orange tree and all our neighbors come to your hard and take and sell your oranges and meanwhile you’re starving and poor then they get mad at you and say you’re a criminal because you’re keeping them for yourself to sell.
        
        The issue is settled – the US is run by a cartel. Time to take our home back!
    - Investinourftre
      
      Oh yeah the moon landing was real, that’s why a place with zero gravity could cause a flag to blow in the wind? Then they state “there are winds on the moon”, impossible in a zero gravity environment.
    - Tuna Ghost
      
      Hey remember when I provided you with a detailed structural account of WTC 7′s collapse? Complete with pictures and diagrams and easy-to-understand physics? And you never replied? Why was that?
      
      And remember when I showed you that the editor of the Chemistry journal that published the “Nano-Thermite” article resigned because everyone knew it was a bullshit article that was inconclusive and had little to do with chemistry? Do you remember that? How you never replied, never responded to the huge amount of evidence supporting the notion that debris and fire were the primary cause of WTC’s collapse? Remember?
  - 1776
    
    Actually you know– I didnt have any opinions about it other than feeling sadness and then just as my father wondered being in the military – WHY was norad told to stand down?? When a place loses contact with Air traffic control that system is enabled in minutes. We have plans that can fly across the united states from end to end on 8 minutes. But a planes were allowed to go off course for a 1/2 hour and that doen’t raise any questions for you??
    
    Don’t dismiss the facts in attempting to dismiss the people.
WeAreChangeAtlanta

Ok how many tons of fuel? How big of a chunk of building? Let’s get empirical and specific so you can support your view of reality. Have you ever seen this picture. This is at 3pm before the buildings were imploded. No raging fires to be seen. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/cutter.html

Here is NIST own admission at the likelihood of the likelihood of their BEST theory.
“The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain UNKNOWN (emphasis mine) at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence..” [WTC 7 Report]

So this kind of blows your whole raging fires and tons of fuel statement out of the water.

Also that would be the first time in history (other than the 2 towers on 9/11) where fires completely destroyed a steel framed structure. ( you may want to reconsider your reality here)

And finally here is a video that demonstrates beyond the shadow of the doubt that the crime of the century needs to be reinvestigated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0

Oh one more thing. What about the Nano-Thermite conclusively discovered in the dust?
WeAreChangeAtlanta

Ok how many tons of fuel? How big of a chunk of building? Let’s get empirical and specific so you can support your view of reality. Have you ever seen this picture. This is at 3pm before the buildings were imploded. No raging fires to be seen. http://whatreallyhappened.com/…

Here is NIST own admission at the likelihood of the likelihood of their BEST theory.
“The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain UNKNOWN (emphasis mine) at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence..” [WTC 7 Report]

So this kind of blows your whole raging fires and tons of fuel statement out of the water.

Also that would be the first time in history (other than the 2 towers on 9/11) where fires completely destroyed a steel framed structure. ( you may want to reconsider your reality here)

And finally here is a video that demonstrates beyond the shadow of the doubt that the crime of the century needs to be reinvestigated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…

Oh one more thing. What about the Nano-Thermite conclusively discovered in the dust?
WeAreChangeAtlanta

Good question, Dana is probably indifferent to the moral dilemas of endorsing the military industrial complex and is just thinking of expanding his audience. I appreciate that he doesn’t censor Joe though as many would.
Nano_Thermite_911

So let’s see, you started with trying to discredit Rogan because he dare question the gov’t and Phil Plait? Then you insinuate that Richard Gage and Nano-Thermite are somehow in disrepute and you finish with bringing Luke Rudkowski somehow into the mix. Amazing.

I would just say anyone with any sense whatsoever realizes that 9/11 needs a real investigation. Including 6/10 9/11 commissioners believe we need a new investigation. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090930073239AAPtJkO

Here are a few quotes

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton himself says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.

Similarly, 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” . He also says that he had long feared that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking, and that it might take “a permanent 9/11 commission” to end the remaining mysteries of September 11.

And 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America.”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/03/pentagon-papers-whistleblowers.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090930073239AAPtJkO
Nano_Thermite_911

So let’s see, you started with trying to discredit Rogan because he dare question the gov’t and Phil Plait? Then you insinuate that Richard Gage and Nano-Thermite are somehow in disrepute and you finish with bringing Luke Rudkowski somehow into the mix. Amazing.

I would just say anyone with any sense whatsoever realizes that 9/11 needs a real investigation. Including 6/10 9/11 commissioners believe we need a new investigation. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090930073239AAPtJkO

Here are a few quotes

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton himself says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.

Similarly, 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” . He also says that he had long feared that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking, and that it might take “a permanent 9/11 commission” to end the remaining mysteries of September 11.

And 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America.”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/03/pentagon-papers-whistleblowers.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090930073239AAPtJkO
Nano_Thermite_911

So let’s see, you started with trying to discredit Rogan because he dare question the gov’t and Phil Plait? Then you insinuate that Richard Gage and Nano-Thermite are somehow in disrepute and you finish with bringing Luke Rudkowski somehow into the mix. Amazing.

I would just say anyone with any sense whatsoever realizes that 9/11 needs a real investigation. Including 6/10 9/11 commissioners believe we need a new investigation. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090930073239AAPtJkO

Here are a few quotes

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton himself says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.

Similarly, 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” . He also says that he had long feared that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking, and that it might take “a permanent 9/11 commission” to end the remaining mysteries of September 11.

And 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America.”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/03/pentagon-papers-whistleblowers.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090930073239AAPtJkO
Nano_Thermite_911

So let’s see, you started with trying to discredit Rogan because he dare question the gov’t and Phil Plait? Then you insinuate that Richard Gage and Nano-Thermite are somehow in disrepute and you finish with bringing Luke Rudkowski somehow into the mix. Amazing.

I would just say anyone with any sense whatsoever realizes that 9/11 needs a real investigation. Including 6/10 9/11 commissioners believe we need a new investigation. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090930073239AAPtJkO

Here are a few quotes

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton himself says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.

Similarly, 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” . He also says that he had long feared that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking, and that it might take “a permanent 9/11 commission” to end the remaining mysteries of September 11.

And 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America.”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/03/pentagon-papers-whistleblowers.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090930073239AAPtJkO
Drinky McGee

Joe Rogan has thermite between his ears.
Drinky McGee

Joe Rogan has thermite between his ears.
- brazi
  
  This is coming from what we can only presume is an alcoholic- drinky? Explains the responses. Only knowing how to name call is the mass media technique. How about a real debate?
  - Drinky McGee
    
    How about you waste someone else’s time?
    - LCD USMC
      
      how about you just post somewhere else son.
  - LCD USMC
    
    they have nothing to debate with. he’s a waste of your time Brazi.
Drinky McGee

Don’t try to argue with these folks, Yith. They formed a conclusion before the facts were ever known and nothing will ever shake their faith.

I remember when Disinformation used to make fun of outlandish conspiracy theories. Those were the days. The only difference between the 9/11 falderal and the Montauk Project is that the Montauk Project is fun to read about.
WhiteRose

Watch all the conspiracy movies and get smart enough to figure out what bits really matter from each.
WhiteRose

Watch all the conspiracy movies and get smart enough to figure out what bits really matter from each.
E.B. Wolf

I’m sure it’s just a smart business/PR move for Dana, but I’m sure it must be an awkward situation for the army brass who are using MMA as a PR/recruiting tool to have somebody like Rogan commenting on such dirty little secrets.
ArgosyJones

I second that. Sadly there may be many secrets hidden from the public in the 9/11 story. But they won’t be discovered by watching youtube videos over and over, or nattering on and on about nano thermite paint, or taking DMT. The Troofers have become a kind of internet cult, like Ron Paul enthusiasts or ‘Austrian’ economists. It’s no coincidence that there is such a large overlapping membership between the groups.

These people can’t handle the truth– they must have the TROOF, and nothing less wil do.
Nano_Thermite_911

So instead of informed discussion or debate you resort to ad hominem attacks. This is an immediate sign of being overmatched so you choose the only path available to you. Baseless slander and muckraking. So Drinky keep drinking your own kool aid and avoid the real work of thinking.

It’s chic to be incapable of intelligent discourse on the most crucial story/crime of this century. Let’s just let our government lead us down the path of destruction like the pied piper. Drinky Mcgee show us the way!!

Thinking is overrated. We needn’t worry about Building 7. We needn’t heed the evidence that overwhelmingly demonstrates that the War on Terror is a Lie. Let’s send more of our family members to slaughter and be slaughtered for the profit of the war pigs.
Nano_Thermite_911

Umm WTF? This makes no fucking sense at all. So yeah I guess if you stand up and question your gov’t and their atrocities that you are “nattering”. You don’t sound like a disinfo shill at all.

“These people can’t handle the truth–” Um which people are you referring too? Millions around the world know the gig is up. Some people want to to escape to the comfort of dorritos, xbox and internet porn because that is all they have and all they know. Real Men and Women are not internet cowards who spit upon everything great about our nation with mindless rants that expose their complete lack of humanity or courage.

For those with two brain cells to rub together speak out and don’t let cowards like Argosy discourage you.

Examine the Evidence for yourselves.
ae911truth.org
ArgosyJones

This makes no fucking sense at all.

I was pointing out that you, and thousands of your allies, are not after the truth. Instead, you are members of an evangelical cult whose primary activity is internet trolling. I wouldn’t expect you to understand that, just as I wouldn’t expect a scientologist to refer to himself as a cultist.

So yeah I guess if you stand up and question your gov’t and their atrocities that you are “nattering”.

In this case, yes. Nanothermite on 9/11 is a nonsense theory. It only was proposed years after the fact by conspiracy theorists who were trying to maintain the viability of controlled demolition theories in the abscence of evidence of explosives. It is essentially hush-a-boom, a silent and invisible explosive that can be installed without a trace, and take down a skyscraper without emitting sound or light.

You don’t sound like a disinfo shill at all.

Paranoid, Hmm. You don’t have any evidence that I’m a shill, or otherwise working for the bad guys, but you’re willing to slander me as one.

“These people can’t handle the truth–” Um which people are you referring too?

I’m referring to you and your fellow internet cult-members, of course.

Some people want to to escape to the comfort of dorritos, xbox and internet porn because that is all they have and all they know.

And some people want to escape from comfort of dorritos, xbox and internet porn because that is all they have and all they know. I support that impulse, but joining a cult of internet trolls is not the answer.

Real Men and Women are not internet cowards who spit upon everything great about our nation with mindless rants that expose their complete lack of humanity or courage.

You scored an “own goal”!

For those with two brain cells… don’t let cowards like Argosy discourage you.

People with only two brain cells are hard to discourage anyway, which should be clear, based on the number of posts you make.

Examine the Evidence for yourselves.
ae911truth.org

Nice, linking to Richard Gage. I counted up the licensed architects who have signed the petition. It is fewer than 250. There are 96,000+ licensed architects in the United states. Gage has had almost 10 years now to gather the signatures of a fraction of a percent of licensed architects. I’m not very impressed, and you shouldn’t be either.
ArgosyJones

This makes no fucking sense at all.

I was pointing out that you, and thousands of your allies, are not after the truth. Instead, you are members of an evangelical cult whose primary activity is internet trolling. I wouldn’t expect you to understand that, just as I wouldn’t expect a scientologist to refer to himself as a cultist.

So yeah I guess if you stand up and question your gov’t and their atrocities that you are “nattering”.

In this case, yes. Nanothermite on 9/11 is a nonsense theory. It only was proposed years after the fact by conspiracy theorists who were trying to maintain the viability of controlled demolition theories in the abscence of evidence of explosives. It is essentially hush-a-boom, a silent and invisible explosive that can be installed without a trace, and take down a skyscraper without emitting sound or light.

You don’t sound like a disinfo shill at all.

Paranoid, Hmm. You don’t have any evidence that I’m a shill, or otherwise working for the bad guys, but you’re willing to slander me as one.

“These people can’t handle the truth–” Um which people are you referring too?

I’m referring to you and your fellow internet cult-members, of course.

Some people want to to escape to the comfort of dorritos, xbox and internet porn because that is all they have and all they know.

And some people want to escape from comfort of dorritos, xbox and internet porn because that is all they have and all they know. I support that impulse, but joining a cult of internet trolls is not the answer.

Real Men and Women are not internet cowards who spit upon everything great about our nation with mindless rants that expose their complete lack of humanity or courage.

You scored an “own goal”!

For those with two brain cells… don’t let cowards like Argosy discourage you.

People with only two brain cells are hard to discourage anyway, which should be clear, based on the number of posts you make.

Examine the Evidence for yourselves.
ae911truth.org

Nice, linking to Richard Gage. I counted up the licensed architects who have signed the petition. It is fewer than 250. There are 96,000+ licensed architects in the United states. Gage has had almost 10 years now to gather the signatures of a fraction of a percent of licensed architects. I’m not very impressed, and you shouldn’t be either.
Bwmmiller

Don’t fear what you do see here. Fear what you don’t see here! Capitalists really have moved massive amounts of American arm-pit generated money, knowledge, away from fumbling American hands, to Asia, to the Shanghai and Beijing stock-exchanges, to the more powerful, safer, less manipulated, Chinese Yuan, to the Mandarin language. Asians now produce most American-driven cars, not Americans. Tsinghua University, China, has developed a new improved, high efficiency, clean, pebble-bed, gas reactor. Who financed this while GE(America) pissed away its time adding expensive digital controls to the existing, American style,’Tea-Pot’ Bull Shiite from the 1950′s? Where will America be, when China’s investment in better, cheaper, safer, Thorium fueled reactors comes to fruition? Will America still be paying off contracts with the parasite OPEC nations? For an expensive oil based economy?
America proved thorium fueled reactors possible, built one at least,in the 50′s then moved on to other things. Once China perfects Thorium fueled reactors, and that is not far off, China will have huge amounts of relatively cheap and convenient thorium fueled nuclear/electric power at its disposal. At this time, China will have the option of releasing the “Population Bomb”, allowing more than one child per family, greatly increasing their already burgeoning population and overwhelming the world with Chinese people. They also have the option of using this cheap electrical energy for Military build-up that can make America’s armaments impotent beside them. China at this time will also increase its demand for petroleum products and they also will be able to out-bid Americans for them. Can you imagine, a powerful Chinese Yuan, with an exchange rate as high as 16 or 20 U.S. dollars each, bargaining with the OPEC parasites, bribing the OPEC parasites for their oil? America would certainly be paying a premium for gasoline, wouldn’t they? Did you know this?
Google, torrent, the documentary, “Who Stole The Electric Car” and study the insidious nature of Corporate control, corporate influence, displayed here. This is but the tip of the ice-berg. Super-insulation, developed for the space age, has been deliberately buried by Corporate interests. This space-age super-insulation can reduce your heating/cooling costs to near zero. That’s why they hid it. To continue making money selling crap insulation, oil, heating plants, air conditioners, current designed stoves, current designed refrigerators. All this would change overnight if the truth about super-insulations were allowed out. Imagine the number of times corporations, big business, have taken this route. American! You most certainly have been screwed over, not by what you can read, not by what you are allowed to know, but by what has been hidden from you.
Beware. The Corporatists face a different challenge in communist China! China does not respect patents, patent law, American patent laws. China believes that every discovery automatically belongs to the whole group – even all humanity. Soon, every new Chinese discovery, every reverse engineered Chinese marvel will be publicly available, in China. Burgeoning Asian growth, and magnificently better Asian schooling have left America reeling. As Asia grows it demands more of the world’s finite resources, like oil, for example. China has already made a petroleum deal with Russia for Siberian petroleum, totally in Yuan, not the so-called, International Currency For Trade, the U.S. dollar. The IMF has considered moving away from the U.S. Dollar, and going to a different currency already. China has asked for its Yuan to be considered. China has said that it wants to get off of the U,S, Dollar in international trade.Does this frighten you? It should, most of America’s riches rest on this.
Did you know that China draws its intelligentsia from a gene pool of 3 Billion souls? Did you know that the smartest rise to the top Universities, not by their families ability to pay, but by their individual I O’s alone? Did you know that China concentrates these folks in Universities, devoted to the will of the Chinese government? Devoted to the new drive for Thorium fueled reactors, as well as many other unspoken projects? Did you know, these folks are bred in China? A new super-race evolving? From a huge population base? Larger than the rest of the world? Smarter than anything the world has ever seen before? American, Fear This.
- Thejakeyl88
  
  Now that you are done talking to yourself, you can read all the comments, including mine. HAVE FUN IN CHINA, as an individual you are nothing. Nothing.
- Thejakeyl88
  
  And if you REALLY think these elitists have nothing more to do than “get more money selling crap” than you are far more caught up in this than you will ever be willing to see.
Bwmmiller

Don’t fear what you do see here. Fear what you don’t see here! Capitalists really have moved massive amounts of American arm-pit generated money, knowledge, away from fumbling American hands, to Asia, to the Shanghai and Beijing stock-exchanges, to the more powerful, safer, less manipulated, Chinese Yuan, to the Mandarin language. Asians now produce most American-driven cars, not Americans. Tsinghua University, China, has developed a new improved, high efficiency, clean, pebble-bed, gas reactor. Who financed this while GE(America) pissed away its time adding expensive digital controls to the existing, American style,’Tea-Pot’ Bull Shiite from the 1950′s? Where will America be, when China’s investment in better, cheaper, safer, Thorium fueled reactors comes to fruition? Will America still be paying off contracts with the parasite OPEC nations? For an expensive oil based economy?
America proved thorium fueled reactors possible, built one at least,in the 50′s then moved on to other things. Once China perfects Thorium fueled reactors, and that is not far off, China will have huge amounts of relatively cheap and convenient thorium fueled nuclear/electric power at its disposal. At this time, China will have the option of releasing the “Population Bomb”, allowing more than one child per family, greatly increasing their already burgeoning population and overwhelming the world with Chinese people. They also have the option of using this cheap electrical energy for Military build-up that can make America’s armaments impotent beside them. China at this time will also increase its demand for petroleum products and they also will be able to out-bid Americans for them. Can you imagine, a powerful Chinese Yuan, with an exchange rate as high as 16 or 20 U.S. dollars each, bargaining with the OPEC parasites, bribing the OPEC parasites for their oil? America would certainly be paying a premium for gasoline, wouldn’t they? Did you know this?
Google, torrent, the documentary, “Who Stole The Electric Car” and study the insidious nature of Corporate control, corporate influence, displayed here. This is but the tip of the ice-berg. Super-insulation, developed for the space age, has been deliberately buried by Corporate interests. This space-age super-insulation can reduce your heating/cooling costs to near zero. That’s why they hid it. To continue making money selling crap insulation, oil, heating plants, air conditioners, current designed stoves, current designed refrigerators. All this would change overnight if the truth about super-insulations were allowed out. Imagine the number of times corporations, big business, have taken this route. American! You most certainly have been screwed over, not by what you can read, not by what you are allowed to know, but by what has been hidden from you.
Beware. The Corporatists face a different challenge in communist China! China does not respect patents, patent law, American patent laws. China believes that every discovery automatically belongs to the whole group – even all humanity. Soon, every new Chinese discovery, every reverse engineered Chinese marvel will be publicly available, in China. Burgeoning Asian growth, and magnificently better Asian schooling have left America reeling. As Asia grows it demands more of the world’s finite resources, like oil, for example. China has already made a petroleum deal with Russia for Siberian petroleum, totally in Yuan, not the so-called, International Currency For Trade, the U.S. dollar. The IMF has considered moving away from the U.S. Dollar, and going to a different currency already. China has asked for its Yuan to be considered. China has said that it wants to get off of the U,S, Dollar in international trade.Does this frighten you? It should, most of America’s riches rest on this.
Did you know that China draws its intelligentsia from a gene pool of 3 Billion souls? Did you know that the smartest rise to the top Universities, not by their families ability to pay, but by their individual I O’s alone? Did you know that China concentrates these folks in Universities, devoted to the will of the Chinese government? Devoted to the new drive for Thorium fueled reactors, as well as many other unspoken projects? Did you know, these folks are bred in China? A new super-race evolving? From a huge population base? Larger than the rest of the world? Smarter than anything the world has ever seen before? American, Fear This.
Nano_Thermite_911

So in other words all you can do to answer scientific facts is to pour on Ad hominem attacks? Obviously.

Um first of all Richard Gage didn’t start Architects and Engineers on September 11th 2001 Dumb Ass.
So again your statements are demonstrably false. AE911Truth.Org was founded in 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architects_%26_Engineers_for_9/11_Truth

Second of all just because there are 96,000 Architects in the world doesn’t mean that Richard Gage has managed to contact them all let alone get them to watch Blueprint for Truth. Anyone watching on the sidelines, feel free to watch Blueprint for Truth, and then you will see why this individual only has one card to play and that is slander. It’s a grassroots movement meaning we don’t get funded by the government like the shills from the pentagon who get paid to troll. Therefore, again, your assumptions are illogical.

Now people are waking up and I know that scares you. Grassroot funded commercials like the buildingwhat.org campaign have showed many New Yorkers the truth about Building 7 for the very first time. If Building 7 is no big deal than why hide it? Maybe it’s because Larry don’t like that he admitted he pulled it and Karma is BITCH. I feel bad for that evil troll because when New Yorkers find out I would not want to be in Larry’s shoes. They will be finding out very soon as the next round is set to roll out soon. Lupe’s album is #1 and the first single calls out the lies. 200,000 sold in the first week. 200,000 souls learn the truth and then it multiplies. Smothering your lies.

It doesn’t take a majority of anyone to make change, how many people does it take for the Pentagon Papers to be read into congressional record and end the war earlier than the war profiteers would like? Answer 1. Senator Mike Gravel so you can keep trying your mind tricks but the Truth is too powerful for your lies.

By the way why is Bin Laden not officially wanted for the crimes of 9/11?? How do you explain this? It should be real simple. Not enough evidence, so that would support what then? That the real perpetrators are still on the loose. Therefore it only makes sense that we should have a real investigation.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists

USAMA BIN LADEN
Murder of U.S. Nationals Outside the United States; Conspiracy to Murder U.S. Nationals Outside the United States; Attack on a Federal Facility Resulting in Death
REWARD: The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.
Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.
Bin Laden is left-handed and walks with a cane.

Notice 9/11 is not mentioned there at ALL. Care to explain??

As for bringing up dirty words like Cult to diminish the work of Proud, Courageous, Intelligent, and Patriotic American’s all I can say is it’s obvious you can’t deal with the facts so you must resort to slander.

Oh just a couple more. How does Weapons grade Nano-Thermite end up in the dust of all 3 world trade centers? Isn’t it funny that NIST didn’t even look for explosives?? Can’t find what you’re not looking for huh! What were the box cutters made out of nano thermite? What about the stand down orders from Cheney as recalled by Norman Minetta. He was in charge of NORAD that day after all. But of course your mind is incapable of seeing the bigger picture. This is all covered in Blueprint for Truth. Good luck trying to debunk that.

So you’re telling me you went through all of the almost 1,500 hundred Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth and only found 250 liscensed. Prove it. What are there names and how did you determine this supposed fact?

Dude I can keep this up all day. You can’t answer the facts. You should be Ashamed of yourself. Your are complicit in the suffering of millions by ignoring evidence of this crime.

Peace Out Beeyatch!

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brazi

This is coming from what we can only presume is an alcoholic- drinky? Explains the responses. Only knowing how to name call is the mass media technique. How about a real debate?
Drinky McGee

I’ll bow to you when it comes to the ad hominem attacks. You’re clearly an expert. Indeed, you and your ilk are down with all the finest logical fallacies. Straw man. Cherry picking. Argument from incredulity. It’s like I’m back in Logic 101 all over again. Questioning the government is wonderful and necessary. Making up persecution and paranoia fantasies backed by nothing but your own madness is not wonderful or necessary.

I’m afraid that you lot just aren’t worth anyone’s time or attention. I wish you the best, though. WATCH OUT FOR THERMITE!!!
Drinky McGee

How about you waste someone else’s time?
ArgosyJones

So in other words all you can do to answer scientific facts is to pour on Ad hominem attacks?

No. If you were putting out some scientific facts, I would respect you. But when confronted with lame incoherent conspiracy theories that slander my government in an attempt to divide my country even further based on false premises and lies, I refuse to treat my debating partners with that respect. So: you are like a cretinous turd who wraps himself in the flag, fouling all that he touches. You are like a verminous rat who eats America’s seed corn, leaving only turds in exchange. You repeatedly congratulate yourself and your fellow cultists for “courage”, for “standing up”, for being “intelligent”, but a world where you exemplify these virtues would be a world without them. If the US government was as evil and all seeing and murderous as you pretend, you would be long dead. No internet troll is worthy of the appellation ‘courageous’.

…AE911Truth.Org was founded in 2006…

Well I guess you told me. Looks like you win. Oh wait, that changes nothing of substance, so I still win. Richard Gage has had plenty of time to persuade america’s architects. So far he has managed to actually persuade about 250. That’s about 50 per year of the existence of his group.
Want to Know why Richard is not successful? Check out this video. His ignorance is on display in full force http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFVoencqfZw Gage is about on a level with you internet cultists.

It’s a grassroots movement meaning we don’t get funded by the government like the shills from the pentagon who get paid to troll.

You know how crazy you sound when you say that, right? Cause you sound very f’ing crazy. You are not doing battle with the forces of evil here. I am not typing this from a secure location near DC. I am not drawing a check either. Your drug abuse is making you paranoid. Maybe you need to go on a cleanse, man.

If Building 7 is no big deal than why hide it?

It was never hidden, you ignorant dillweed. You should know this, having watched youtube footage from the day it fell down many thousands of times. I’m telling you man, get off drugs just for a few days, and see if I am on to something. Where did you get the idea that it was hidden? And how could it possibly be hidden? Carlos Castenada called…he wants his peyote back.

How does Weapons grade Nano-Thermite end up in the dust of all 3 world trade centers? Isn’t it funny that NIST didn’t even look for explosives??

I covered that in my previous comment, but I shoud add that you are a deluded fool.

So you’re telling me you went through all of the almost 1,500 hundred Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth and only found 250 liscensed. Prove it. What are there names and how did you determine this supposed fact?

OK, this is rich. You link to AE911TROOF in every post, but you never looked at the list of architects?
It’s right here: http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php#supporters those architects listed as ‘degreed and licenced’ are fewer than 250. I determined that fact by a method known as counting; I learned it in grade school. Their names are right out in the open for all to see; that is the nature of a petition. You can find the total number of architects in the US here; http://www.ncarb.org/en/News-and-Events/News/1999/06-Survey-Reveals-Number-of-Architects-in-the-US.aspx It is 96,966.
Richard Gage and his cadre of jerks have utterly failed to persuade america’s architects, and they’ve given up. That’s why they’ve gone on to making TV commercials.

Please f’ing tell me that you are on SSI Disability or won the lottery. I should hate to think that you’re walking around with actual responsibilities.

I can’t wait for the day that you troofers crawl back inside the leprous manatees that spawned you all those years ago. Please take Ron Paul with you.
Anonymous

Oh yeah the moon landing was real, that’s why a place with zero gravity could cause a flag to blow in the wind? Then they state “there are winds on the moon”, impossible in a zero gravity environment.
Anonymous

Wow Jones, even a layman can tell that you have no real argument here, rather you talk much like the politicians of today. I question who do you work for Mr. Jones? Why are you so steadfast in opposing Nano? What do you have to gain? Or are you just another Gov bot sent to make the populace think anyone with an opinion is a drunk and a freeloader?
Thejakeyl88

DMT is mass produced, its in everything! Simple nuff’.
Thejakeyl88

DMT is mass produced, its in everything! Simple nuff’.
- 1776
  
  Its in our brains :]
Thejakeyl88

Now that you are done talking to yourself, you can read all the comments, including mine. HAVE FUN IN CHINA, as an individual you are nothing. Nothing.
Thejakeyl88

And if you REALLY think these elitists have nothing more to do than “get more money selling crap” than you are far more caught up in this than you will ever be willing to see.
ArgosyJones

…who do you work for Mr. Jones? …. are you just another Gov bot sent to make the populace think anyone with an opinion is a drunk and a freeloader?

Another paranoiac. You guys love to impugn the motives of your sparring partners. Somehow anyone who disagrees with you must somehow be on the take, hushing up crimes for pay, or maybe a member of the conspiracy himself. having established the criminality of all opposition, you can safely ignore them.

I’ll tell you what, here’s a hypothetical situation. You’re in your back yard. you take a shovel and you start to dig a pit straight down. Deeper and deeper you go, until you dig too deep, and the walls of the pit collapse on top of you, suffocating you to death. Problem solved.
Nano_Thermite_911

You may want to learn about the concept of projection. It’s amazing how you gloss over the points you can’t answer. Here is a link to the peer reviewed data supporting that explosives were used to bring down towers 1,2, and 7. http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

I guess it really is only my own madness and not independent scientists in search of the truth. I don’t care what you say drinky. You are not important in the end as you are representing all of the denial and desecration of an empire in it’s death throes. I’m done as well. You’ve poured a ton of shit into a conversation so you could avoid the facts.

They still stand.

1. Nano Thermite conclusively found in dust
2. Building 7 not struck by a plane and somehow manages to achieve free fall accelerations for 2.25 seconds for 8 stories (over 100 feet) not to mention NIST own admission that their best theory only has a slight probability of being accurate.
3. Molten Steel present in the wreckage of all 3 imploded towers (Kerosene does not burn hot enough to create molten steel (not high level math or science required for this)
4. Over 1,400 Architects and Engineers do support a new investigation based on the immense evidence amassed. By the way since you know so much why don’t you debate one of them on a phone call or skype conference?? I could Easily arrange this. Then we could see who you are and what you really know against an expert.

Do you accept this challenge or is that too much light for your troll ass to handle?

I wonder how you will avoid this?
Nano_Thermite_911

Argosy who are you really? Care to debate a rep from AE911?? I bet you won’t last 10 minutes. Step up to the plate!
Lets make this happen. You got a web cam? I can make this happen easy and we can put it on the front page baby. Let’s let the audience decide how about it??
ae911truth.org
Yith

“9`/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton himself says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.”

Not getting everything 100 percent correct is not the same as getting everything 100 percent wrong or even mostly wrong. Ask most anyone about anything — even things they know really well — and they will surely get a few things wrong.

Yes, he did say “set up to faill” in his book “Without Precedent”. But did he believe that it actually did mostly fail? And, again, by “fail” I don’t mean he “failed to get everything 100 percent correct”.

See the following link:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/12/oldie-but-goodie.html

and in particular Solomon’s quote of Lee Hamilton: “’The only thing I ask in the future is that the conspiracy theory people do not apply a double standard, that is to say, they want us to provide an airtight case for any assertion that we make, whereas when they make an assertion, they often do it on very flimsy evidence.”

What do you suppose he means by “conspiracy theory people” and “very flimsy evidence”?

“Similarly, 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerry said… ”

The original source was a Salon.com article:

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/feature/2006/06/27/911_conspiracies/index4.html

Here is a little more from that article: “Kerry was dismissive of the conspiracy theories as well. Asked about the possibility of a controlled demolition at the World Trade Center, he scoffed, “There’s no evidence for that.” But he also noted that, quite apart from what Avery and others in the “truth movement” have proposed, many legitimate mysteries still surround the events of that day. “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version,” Kerrey said.”

When he says `some alternative’ here he isn’t referring to controlled-demolition theories, obviously.

“And 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned…”

More context is important here as well: you make it sound like Max Cleland resigned because they weren’t going after “the full story”. In fact, he resigned early because G. W. Bush appointed him to the Export-Import Bank, as he says in his resignation letter, which you can easily find on the internet. Furthermore, his problems with the 9/11 commission were not because of inadequate investigation into controlled-demolition theories, for example; they were because the commission wasn’t also investigating the case for going to war with Iraq.
Nano_Thermite_911

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t4662.html

“9`/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton himself says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue.” (Yes I agree)

Here is the video and you can see the man making the following quote if you want to.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t4662.html

Lee Hamilton says that the 9/11 Commission was “set up to fail” and that “you can go down the list, at least 100 people have something to hide.” He also says that people will be investigating 9/11 for a century and, IMO, irritably implies that the interviewer knows what he’s talking about

As for Senator Max Cleland
“The commission had to subpoena the F.A.A. for documents, had to subpoena NORAD for documents and they will never get the full story. That is one of the tragedies. One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up.”
http://911truthnews.com/max-cleland-on-the-whitehouse-cover-up/

Bob Kerry admits 9/11 “is a 30 year conspiracy” Interesting that he would use those choice words of his own volition, maybe he actually means it is a conspiracy?? http://maya12-21-2012.com/2012forum/index.php?topic=9595.0

Also they know that if they go to far to reveal the truth, the Kennedy treatment is not so outlandish given the stakes, do you really think they are so naive? Of course they may follow up with statements that provide them some semblance of cover but I am skeptical of your accounting of their intentions. Bottom line is we don’t have the answers and they admit as much.

Interesting you guys never addressed most of my facts. Let me remind you.

1. Bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI for 9/11
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists

2. Building 7 (ever watched this collapse before?) how the hell can you explain what would have required 400 redundantly reinforced welded bolts simultaneously unwelding per second and per floor in order for the structure to fall into the path of greatest resistance at free fall velocities (Admitted by NIST) for the beginning 2.25 seconds?? Explain that one. NIST tried and of course won’t share their computer model code for others to see. How convenient. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0

3. Destruction of financial data used for investigations in to Worldcom, Enron and the missing 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS (That is 3x’s the amount spent on Iraq and Afghan Wars in the last 7 years approx) just poof disappears and is admitted on record on 9/10/01 Thanks to Cynthia Mckinney. It just so happens that the very part of the pentagon that housed these documents as well as building 7 which housed this evidence miraculously implodes 7 hours later with no plane striking the building. You really have to have a kool aid IV and Enmea simultaneously to ignore this information. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLGkEwVH9g4

I could go on and on but let’s face it. You can’t answer the basic 3 points above. You are not interested in debating an expert for a moment. You don’t want to know the truth.

For those that do and have enough guts to look and think for themselves please watch
Blue Print For Truth and ask why is this not broadcast far and wide? Do we need the corporate/media/industrial complex to give us the permission to see with our own eyes?

“A man who Stands for nothing Will Fall for anything”.
ArgosyJones

Interesting proposition. What is the debate format? who will moderate? Which representative will I debate? When will the debate take place. May I use slides and movies? How about name calling? What are the technical requirements.

Are you an official representative of AE911truth.org? How long will the debate remain on the front page of that website?

We’ll keep in touch.
Nano_Thermite_911

I am not an official representative just a volunteer. That being said we could start with respectful emails where you bring your evidence and contention forward and one of the representatives could reply in kind.

We could then post this on Disinfo and let the audience weigh in. As for name calling, that was initially your sides tactic so don’t start any won’t be any.

What are your qualifications? You would have to drop anonymity I’m afraid to participate.
Nano_Thermite_911

I am not an official representative just a volunteer. That being said we could start with respectful emails where you bring your evidence and contention forward and one of the representatives could reply in kind.

We could then post this on Disinfo and let the audience weigh in. As for name calling, that was initially your sides tactic so don’t start any won’t be any.

What are your qualifications? You would have to drop anonymity I’m afraid to participate.
Nano_Thermite_911

I am not an official representative just a volunteer. That being said we could start with respectful emails where you bring your evidence and contention forward and one of the representatives could reply in kind.

We could then post this on Disinfo and let the audience weigh in. As for name calling, that was initially your sides tactic so don’t start any won’t be any.

What are your qualifications? You would have to drop anonymity I’m afraid to participate.
ArgosyJones

Here is a link to the peer reviewed data supporting that explosives were used to bring down towers 1,2, and 7. http://www.benthamscience.com/…

Nice one. The editor of that publication resigned in protest after the article was published without her knowledge. That pretty much says it all. Bentham is the scientific equivalent of vanity press. http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6664637.html

1. Nano Thermite conclusively found in dust

That conclusion has only been reached by conspiracy hound and retired physicist Steven Jones in the very same vanity press article that I mentioned above. Mr. Jones was relieved of his duties after he went off the deep end. His work was rejected by the engineering faculty of BYU.

2. Building 7 not struck by a plane and somehow manages to achieve free fall accelerations for 2.25 seconds for 8 stories (over 100 feet) not to mention NIST own admission that their best theory only has a slight probability of being accurate.

Building 7 was struck by a big ass piece of one of the twin towers and had diesel fuel stored inside which burned. The fire was left to burn by the firefighters, who had already experienced a tremendous loss of life that day in the twin towers’ collapse. IIRC, the Sprinkler system was deprived of water due to water system damage during the towers’ collapse. It’s not that mysterious.

3. Molten Steel present in the wreckage of all 3 imploded towers (Kerosene does not burn hot enough to create molten steel (not high level math or science required for this)

I have yet to see significant evidence of molten steel. What I expect to see is a photograph of steel (not aluminum) that has melted, and subsequently solidified, not merely bent steel, ambiguous glowing substances or thirdhand eyewitness reports.

. Over 1,400 Architects and Engineers do support a new investigation

Another lie. Richard Gage’s petition has been signed by fewer than 250 licensed architects and fewer than 250 licensed engineers. The remaining people on the petition have degrees in many different technical fields not all of which are relevant in the least. In the United States, there are more than 100,000 architects, and more than 260,000 licensed civil engineers. Looked at this way, Richard Gage has convinced 0.14% of the relevant professionals to sign his petition. I have great respect for professionals and educated people. But it is not hard for me to believe that 0.14% of them could be wrong about a controversial subject such as this.
ArgosyJones

I am not an official representative just a volunteer.

So I guess when you said “I can make this happen easy and we can put it on the front page baby” was just bluster. I thought as much.

We could then post this on Disinfo and let the audience weigh in.

Aren’t we doing that already?

As for name calling, that was initially your sides tactic so don’t start any won’t be any.

No, no, you have it backwards. Name calling is a necessity, especially when debating the mooncalves in the truth movement.

What are your qualifications?

I have a Ph.D in bulllshit detection from Wottsamatta U.

You would have to drop anonymity…

You first, buckaroo.

…I’m afraid…

Be very afraid. Your reign of terror is over, NanoTermite.
Yith

About the Hamilton quotes: he doesn’t have much respect for theories like controlled-demolition, HAARP, cold fusion explosives, and the like; You didn’t write down any evidence that he thought that the commission actually DID fail (as I already pointed out to you); Regarding the “100 people” who had something to hide, he didn’t mean secret government agencies conspiring about false flag attacks; Lastly, there really ARE enough unanswered questions to spend 100 years working over… just as there are about virtually any major historical event, as any historian will tell you.

About the Max Cleland “cover it up” quote: you didn’t say what he thinks they want to “cover up”. A false flag attack on the WTC buildings is not what he had in mind.

Bob Kerrey’s “30 year conspiracy”: 911 most definitely was a conspiracy… a conspiracy of 19 (or 20) hijackers and their various comrades. But without more detailed information, including context, it is hard to say exactly what Kerrey had in mind.

`Context’ really seems to be a problem for troofers. It’s like the old Beevis and Butthead cartoons where upon hearing a word like “ask”, Butthead would say, “UHuuuh… huuhh… he said ASS.” (and then Beevis would say, “Yeah! Yeah! hehhhh!”). You really need to read the quotes in their full context, and investigate claims IN CONTEXT to decide whether they are credible or not.

Now, about the three points above:

1. Why is Bin Laden not wanted for 9/11? Fortunately, I don’t have to look this up myself… others have done it for me:

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Connecting_bin_Laden_to_9-11

Also: what did the G-men go after Al Capone for? It was income tax evasion. Why?

2. See

http://www.structuremag.org/Archives/2007-11/SF-WTC7-Gilsanz-Nov07.pdf

Looks like a better theory than controlled-demolition to me.

Please supply for me a TEXT link to a statement that NIST will not share their computer code. (And, just as important, the precise context — were parts of the code classified? Copyrighted? )

3. You don’t seriously believe that do you?

The first thing I want to point out to you is the fact that the problem of the “2.3 trillion dollars” had been announced long before 9/10/01:

http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002hxm

Second, it couldn’t have been in relation to “assets on hand”, as you can see from the list of DoD assets in that AP article. It rather involved long-term records of charges (maybe going back 30 years or more — ooh! 30-year conspiracy). More precisely, according to the Hearings before the Committee on Armed Services United States Senate before the 107th Congress: “That audit report found that out of $7.6 trillion in Department level accounting interest, $2.3 trillion in entries either did not contain adequate documentation or were improperly reconciled, or were made to force buyer and seller data to agree.” No stealing, no “missing money” (e.g. to pay for nano-termite and HAARP beam weapons).

Show me an authoritative source (which doesn’t include Cynthia McKinney) attesting to the fact that all the records regarding the “2.3 trillion dollar accounting errors” were lost on 9/11.

^^^^^

Let me finish by pointing out one more thing: there are many very basic questions about everyday things that are not easy to answer, yet we just accept that we “know things”. Why not apply the same reasoning to large-scale investigations? Or to the moon landing, for that matter?

Here are a few examples of what I mean:

1. What causes you to more forward when you walk? Is it that you push off on your back foot? Or that you rock and fall forward? Or that you push up and off with your front foot? Ever think about that question? (It has an easy answer — but it might take you a second or two to work it out).

2. When you hold up a piece of paper in a mirror, it appears to reverse everything from right-to-left, but up-and-down appears to not be reversed. Why is this? (Could it be a “conspiracy of mirrors”?)

3. A federal agent tells you he will pay you a visit some time next week (to investigate your drug use) on a weekday (M-F, 9-5 sometime). He tells you the day he will show up will be a “surprise”. But you know better, reasoning as follows: “well, he can’t show up on Friday, because by Thursday if he hadn’t shown I’d know he’ll be here tomorrow, making it not a surprise. But I can also eliminate Thursday by the same reasoning, since I know he’ll be here MTW or R. Continuing, I can eliminate every day of the week.” Now of course there’s a problem with this line of reasoning, but what is it? And if you can’t find it, does it mean there must be a conspiracy somewhere?
Drinky McGee

Um, the issue has been settled. Long ago. I suppose a great deal of your identity is tied up in it now, though. You just can’t let go.
Zombiefreeworld

Yea i have to totally agree. I have done DMT and had pretty much the same experience as joe rogan. And i didn’t even know about his video on youtube when i did it. DMT should be produced in mass quantities
Zombiefreeworld

Yea i have to totally agree. I have done DMT and had pretty much the same experience as joe rogan. And i didn’t even know about his video on youtube when i did it. DMT should be produced in mass quantities
Zombiefreeworld

Yea i have to totally agree. I have done DMT and had pretty much the same experience as joe rogan. And i didn’t even know about his video on youtube when i did it. DMT should be produced in mass quantities
Michael Feldman

This guy is rehasher #47936 of the usual Kiddie Konspiracy pseudoinformation. Operation Northwoods was just a suggested scenario done by some underling. On examination byt eh military it was thoroughly rejected and the guy was fired. The USS Liberty was determined by the navy to have been a friendly fire situation caused by the US wanting to monitor the situation but deceptively informing Israel they didn’t have any vessels within 300 miles.

As for WTC buildings being brought down by controlled demolition. No one can explain why buidings already destroyed by plane crahes with fuel acting like gigantic bombs, then needed to be brought down with explosives. For dramaitc effect? And WTC7 took hours to finally collapse due to overheated steel and loss of structural integrity. Thousands watched it shaking and moaning for hours. No evidence of any explosives or the pattern of demolition.

Truthers can’t accept the buidings collapsing as it happende and in the process deflect from the more serious questions of 9/11 like the failure of intelligence, why the instigators and funding sources in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey – have never been properly identified for the public, etc.
Michael Feldman

This guy is rehasher #47936 of the usual Kiddie Konspiracy pseudoinformation. Operation Northwoods was just a suggested scenario done by some underling. On examination byt eh military it was thoroughly rejected and the guy was fired. The USS Liberty was determined by the navy to have been a friendly fire situation caused by the US wanting to monitor the situation but deceptively informing Israel they didn’t have any vessels within 300 miles.

As for WTC buildings being brought down by controlled demolition. No one can explain why buidings already destroyed by plane crahes with fuel acting like gigantic bombs, then needed to be brought down with explosives. For dramaitc effect? And WTC7 took hours to finally collapse due to overheated steel and loss of structural integrity. Thousands watched it shaking and moaning for hours. No evidence of any explosives or the pattern of demolition.

Truthers can’t accept the buidings collapsing as it happende and in the process deflect from the more serious questions of 9/11 like the failure of intelligence, why the instigators and funding sources in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey – have never been properly identified for the public, etc.
- Nano_Thermite_911
  
  The real failure of intelligence is from those who maintain the official conspiracy theory as their infallible dogma. There is really no discussion of the facts here (well other than me) you guys basically throw out the lamest red herring arguments and avoid explaining the glaring errors in the “official” account.
  
  I would say if you are such an expert why don’t you set up a debate with a representative of the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth.
  
  Here is the link to their site. ae911truth.org
  
  Good day.
- LCD USMC
  
  What about the Molten Steel in the bottom of all 3 buildings reported by firefighters 90 days AFTER the buildings fell.
  
  believing the official story IS conspiracy theory.
Nano_Thermite_911

So what you mean to say is, Fire just destroys everything it touches even steel framed buildings. But only on 9/11! How dare I question the government, excuse me Mr. Limbaugh, Your government!

So now that your personal 2 minute hate is over how about we revisit the evidence.

1. Nano Thermite conclusively found in the dust of all 3 World Trade Centers.
2. First time in history steel framed hi rises completely destroyed due to kerosene according to you and anyone else who doesn’t want to believe they could be lied to by their government.
3. 2.3 trillion conveniently goes missing the day before 9/11/01
4. 32 people die who would have had direct knowledge of accounting exactly where the missle struck the pentagon. April Gallup crawls out of the hole notices no plane debris and testifies as much http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88JQL4esHFg
5. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess stranded in Building 7 before the towers come down. Barry Jennings reports stepping on dead bodies as he is escorted out of Building 7, testifies as much to Loose Change crew, later dies mysteriously…
6. 1,400 Architects and Engineers stake their reputation and livelihood to question their government’s conspiracy theory of the events of 9/11 (Like real patriots do)
7. Osama Bin Laden not wanted for 9/11 according to FBI Web-site (how does this not bother you??)

Ae911Truth.Org
BuildingWhat.Org
PatriotsQuestion911.com
FireFightersfor911truth.org

Real patriots stand up!
Nano_Thermite_911

No I could have a representative debate you anytime but you don’t really care about the facts do you.
I guess this is why no architects or engineers will stand up for the government’s conspiracy theory in a man to man debate.
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news/41-articles/381-strongest-911-myth-arguments-crumble-as-truth-prevails.html
Nano_Thermite_911

You’re right Drinky! I’m so personally invested in getting to the bottom of the crime of the century! What shall I do? Should I be like you and just pretend that whatever the government says is infallible truth? Should I aspired for a degree in Bullshit detection from whatsamatta U? You’re so wise.

rememberbuilding7.org
Nano_Thermite_911

The real failure of intelligence is from those who maintain the official conspiracy theory as their infallible dogma. There is really no discussion of the facts here (well other than me) you guys basically throw out the lamest red herring arguments and avoid explaining the glaring errors in the “official” account.

I would say if you are such an expert why don’t you set up a debate with a representative of the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth.

Here is the link to their site. ae911truth.org

Good day.
Nano_Thermite_911

I bet I know which “2″ people liked this! hahaha.
Ok you have made it too easy again.

How about that molten steel. Anyone with eyes and ears can see the witness testimony as well as photographic evidence. But hey why should we trust the heroes on the scene that day? Maybe FireFightersfor911truth.org could answer that question but here is the video evidence for anyone who wants to know how bad these guys are lying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0

You’re suggesting that Steven Jones was fired because people disagreed with him, it’s amazing what power government pressure to stymie dissent can have in this land of the free. Funny how we treat whistle blowers in this country (Bradley Manning anyone?!?) or how about Kevin Ryan. You really think it’s that easy to question the biggest lie of the new century? Seems anytime someone questions the government and has a case they end up being fired, sabotaged or killed. (Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson come to mind)

Also you are reiterating the official conspiracy theory and suggesting that fires solely were responsible for bringing down all three towers. Let’s just focus on Building 7. What temperature does steel melt at again? Titanium reinforced steel at that? How hot can diesel or hyrdocarbon fed fires burn? Also how is it that random asymmetrical fires can lead to a global collapse across the entire edifice simultaneously again?

How is it possible that freefall could be achieved at all at the onset of global collapse? Please enlighten me how random office fires achieve this. Also you do know that there were no raging fires present at 3pm and again this is all nicely countered here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0
How do random office fires simultaneously compromise to the point of failure welded steel bolts fastening the building together?

“A single, localized failure (a girder unseated – NIST) could not cause the systematic and totalFAILURE OF 400 OTHER STRUCTURAL STEEL CONNECTIONS PER SECOND.”

Here again is the evidence http://www.scribd.com/doc/34799106/Trust-Your-Eyes-the-Facts-and-the-Laws-of-Physics

The Truth is in the Evidence: FDNY and others found several tons ofmolten metal “flowing like lava” under all 3 high-rises.

1400°F office fires cannot produce 2700+°F molten metal.

Thermite incendiaries can. Microspheres formed from molten iron and aluminum were found in the WTC dust by USGS, the environmental firm RJ Lee, and independent physicists.

Thermite reactions account for this phenomenon. WTC dust samples contain small chips of highly energetic nano-thermitecomposite materials – uniformly nano- sized, proportioned and embedded in an organic gas- generating (explosive) matrix. Evidence Excludedfrom the NIST Report: 123 45 Most of the rubble from the implosion ended up in this neat pile —centered within the original footprint.

The 47-story steel-framed structure was dismembered and reduced to a small pile only a few stories high – with complete destruction- unmistakable signs of a controlled demolition implosion.

Hot spots atop the rubble, detected by NASA infrared imaging, persisted for weeks, indicating temperatures in the pile far above those of normal office fires.

Evidence of melted steel and “severe high temperature corrosion” documented in Appendix C of FEMA report. Problem: FEMA’s May 2002 report concluded that its hypothesis [diesel-fuel-fed fire] had only a “low probability of occurrence” and that “further investigation and analysis were required”, although at that time, removal and destruction of the evidence had already been orchestrated.

Office fires don’t melt steel. Other research revealed the signature of thermite — an incendiary that creates molten iron. The collapse of WTC 7 looks like a classic explosive CONTROLLED DEMOLITION:

The building falls almost straight down in about 7 seconds – and at free-fall acceleration for 100 feet — per NIST

•The overall building mass falls uniformly through what was the path of greatest resistance.This requires a precisely timed, patterned removal of critical columns.

•The kink in the roofline is characteristic of a demolition timing sequence that causes buildings to implode symmetrically by collapsing inward.  SMALL POCKETS OF SHORT-LIVED FIRES could not cause floor system failure by “thermal expansion” (NIST) in this modern fire-proofed steel-framed structure.  A

I do not expect a well founded scientifically valid refutation of the above facts. Here comes the slander, ad hominem, distraction and red herring attacks!
ArgosyJones

No I could have a representative debate you anytime

Aaand we’e back to bluster.

this is why no architects or engineers will stand up for the government’s conspiracy theory in a man to man debate

It’s bad enough just that you troll this website incessantly, but your online persona is too much entirely. If you expect anyone to be intimidated by the posturing and bluffing, please check out the WWE forums.

I’ll get back to the more substantive of your posts within a few days. But in the meantime I would like to ask you to stop lying about the number of architects and engineers that have signed Richard Gage’s petition. It is less than 500. I have pointed this out to you several times. Why do you insist upon misrepresenting the facts?

I’ll deal with your (non)claim about Bin Laden immediately since its so easy.

blockquote>7. Osama Bin Laden not wanted for 9/11 according to FBI Web-site (how does this not bother you??)

Well it’s simple: you don’t care, so I don’t care either. If the FBI had put 9/11 on Osama’s sheet, you would just say it was a big fat lie, and claim it wasn’t evidence of anything. So stop pretending that this is evidence that you care about, please, and stop bringing up these random distractions.

The rest of your claims are going to take a while to make sense of. You seem to be spiraling out of control.

Talk to you soon, NanoTermite,
-AJ
ArgosyJones

Watch out, New World Order lapdogs and sycophants, Detective McTermite is on the case… he might just stumble into something… probably a patch of poison ivy, but you never know… he might just find… The TROOF.

Seriously, in ten years, I fully expect to be hearing someone “ask questions” about “what really happened that day”…at the burlington coat factory.

Seriously, why are there no conspiracy theories about the Burlington Coat Factory. “They” say it was abandoned and sitting empty, but I have other theories… Why was the media silent on the fact that BCF was damaged on 9/11 right up until the manufactured ground zero mosque controversy almost TEN YEARS later.
Nano_Thermite_911

No bluster, you’re just not worth the effort. The Architects an Engineers (1469 as of today and growing) http://ae911truth.org/ Will continue this good work. You can continue doing whatever it is you do.

I guess you are not so interested in the truth as in doing your best to distract, discredit, and discourage others from finding out what has really happened and what is really happening in the world of 9/11 truth.

That is your choice. So I will just let the facts speak for themselves.

Peace
ae911truth.org
buildingwhat.org
world911truth.org
911truthnews.com
911blogger.com
Firefightersfor911Truth.org
PatriotsQuestion911.org
Nano_Thermite_911

No bluster, you’re just not worth the effort. The Architects an Engineers (1469 as of today and growing) http://ae911truth.org/ Will continue this good work. You can continue doing whatever it is you do.

I guess you are not so interested in the truth as in doing your best to distract, discredit, and discourage others from finding out what has really happened and what is really happening in the world of 9/11 truth.

That is your choice. So I will just let the facts speak for themselves.

Peace
ae911truth.org
buildingwhat.org
world911truth.org
911truthnews.com
911blogger.com
Firefightersfor911Truth.org
PatriotsQuestion911.org
ArgosyJones

The Architects an Engineers (1469 as of today and growing) http://ae911truth.org/ Will continue this good work.

Termite, I asked you already; please stop lying about the number of architects and engineers who have signed Gage’s petition. You have already been provided with the link, now you can “do your own research” by counting. If you forgot, here’s the link: http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php#supporters . This really isn’t that hard; you won’t even have to take off your tinfoil hat.

For someone so committed to truth, you sure have a thick skull, which is odd for a spineless worm. Did you ever stop and ask yourself what kind of truth movement it is that lies to its members and asks them to repeat arguments on the internet that they do not even understand? Or what kind of movement consists of internet volunteers who spam popular forums?

Take a look at yourself, Termite. I have pointed out several times that you’re misrepresenting the number of actual architects and engineers who have signed Richard Gage’s petition. But you don’t have the courage to look for yourself. You’re a pathetic shadow of a man, spamming for an internet cult. What are you going to tell your grandchildren yo
Nano_Thermite_911

It’s called the Architects and Engineers for a reason. There are 57 pages of documentation of the signers and their accreditation. http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php?o=1 1469 and Growing!

Not sure what argument you are trying to make exactly. Are you saying that by using plain english that they are somehow being disingenuous? Man you are really grasping at straws now.

Also you are not really making much sense with your emotionally overdrawn responses. Try to take a deep breath or two and construct a logical argument.

I know you are just trying to get under my skin because you know you have no logical argument for the facts as expressed. You want to insinuate that you know me or my personality as a way to pull me down to your level. Guess what it’s not about me.

This is bigger than any ego on a blog.

911 Truth Ends Wars!
ae911truth.org
rememberbuilding7.org
pilotsfor911truth.org
http://l911t.com/
http://www.actorsandartistsfor911truth.org/

“All great truths begin as blasphemies.” – George Bernard Shaw
ArgosyJones

It’s called the Architects and Engineers for a reason. There are 57 pages of documentation….

The 57 pages of documentation clearly show that there are fewer than 500 licensed professionals (architects and engineers) who have signed the petition the other 900 people are not architects or engineers. All I was asking you to do is stop claiming almost three times that number. To do otherwise is to perpetuate a falsity. I had held out hope that you could be reasoned with, if I just showed you the facts from sources you link to in every post. I was wrong. You are a basket case, dead from the neck up.
Nano_Thermite_911

So now it’s 500? Last time you said 250? Can’t you keep your red herring arguments straight? By the way
Here is a link to their process. Maybe you should take it up with them?
Their claim is that they are Verified. Here is their definition of Verified.
1,400 of whom are licensed and/or degreed A/E professionals.

Now I know you will probably say they are not licensed and thus we should dismiss them. So would a Doctor who has retired have to revoke the years of experience working in their field if they chose not to go through the expensive and time consuming process of maintaining their licenses? Should they not be allowed to testify or offer advice because a governing body needs to be paid for certificate to allow them to speak from a place of experience?

But again you’re not looking for logical presentation of facts rather you want to attack anything and everything to avoid looking at the real issues. I don’t know what motivates you to do so but I have clearly stated all of the facts that are not in dispute (even by NIST) so you can make of it what you will.

Please find the link below confirming my above statements as well as a very thorough explanation as to the lengths this Volunteer organization goes to to ensure their signers are Verified.

http://ae911truth.org/en/news/41-articles/430-credibility.html

Ensuring Our Credibility: The AE911Truth Verification Team
Written by Brian Romanoff
Friday, 07 January 2011 14:27
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth has an extraordinary Verification Team. They are a very special group of volunteers – individually responsible for ensuring that signers of the AE911Truth petition are real and the information they provide is accurate. All petition signers are verified, whether they are architects, engineers, or “other” supporters, and regardless of whether they live in the United States. Verifying 13,000 petition signers, 1,400 of whom are licensed and/or degreed A/E professionals, is no small task.
Sean Brizendine led the Verifications Team with exceptional skills and dedication throughout 2010
In 2010 alone, more than 400 professional architects and engineers were verified and displayed on the AE911Truth petition. Each of domestic A/E signer is contacted personally by phone by one of the Verification Team volunteers. Most of these professionals are surprised, then satisfied and thankful for the time and effort we spend verifying their credentials. After making personal contact with each signer, the volunteer reviews the signer’s credentials. If contact cannot be made or if appropriate credentials cannot be found, we do not count or display the signer on our A/E professionals list.
Even the thousands of people who sign our petition in the “others” category are reviewed for valid emails, phone numbers, and other criteria. While reviewing the body of other supporters, we have found many amazingly skilled individuals ranging from physicists to lawyers and veterans. In fact, many people in the others category are also architects or engineers by trade, but without the credentials we need for the professionals category. Please visit and read some of the testimonies from either category, as both have much to offer.

Throughout 2010, the Verifications Team was led by Sean Brizendine, who worked tirelessly to make sure all the volunteers’ questions were answered and issues resolved. He also called most of those professional signers himself.

Sean was backed by a diverse group of volunteers throughout the year, including many who are still with the current Verifications Team. Carol Cleveland, Laura Nieboer, Brian Romanoff, Laila Selk and Blake Shatto make up the Verifications Team heading into 2011. Sean Brizendine has graciously passed the torch on and moved to other necessary AE911Truth operations.

Our weekly Verification Conference calls are a vital communication tool. Emails sometimes just aren’t enough (and sometimes they are too much!). Every week there are more petition signers than days, and some signers offer challenges as well as rewards. A thank-you email is sent to every single signer by the Verifications Team .

We look forward to an exciting year, and are aiming to reach 600 new professional signers which will bring us to a pivotal 2,000 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth in 2011! If you haven’t yet signed the petition, please do so now. It’s never too late to take responsible heroic action.
Nano_Thermite_911

So you’re not going to offer an answer for Bin Laden not being wanted for the crimes of 9/11. Then who masterminded it? I mean they somehow fingered the boogeyman bin laden within hours of the attacks but there is no huge outrage in mainstream media when he is not wanted by the FBI for the crimes of 9/11? If I lost a loved one I sure as hell would want to know who did it. Sad that you are so willing to gloss over this and then focus on aspects less central but equally telling.

Classic misdirection techniques.
I’m not going to argue with you on all points not because I cannot but I prefer to focus on building the way for people to see what you are hiding.

You can read any of my posts on this thread and feel free to review the evidence provided. If you choose not to I can’t really pretend a real discussion is what you want in the first place.
ArgosyJones

fewer than 250 architects plus fewer than 250 engineers equals fewer than 500 licensed professionals in all. Too bad I had to spell that out to you, but what can I expect, this isn’t Harvard.

Anyway, thank you for admitting that my point was correct, even if you argue that it doesn’t matter if someone is licensed. Personally, yes, I think it matters, the license is what separates a professional from a layman; it represents verified achievements, both academic and professional. This is implicit in the very premise of “architects and engineers for 911 truth” it’s unfortunate that you and Richard feel the need to pad your numbers with students, drafters, office boys and other assorted hangers on.

I might also add that it is you who has not responded to any of my point by point rebuttals of your paranoid fantasies.
Nano_Thermite_911

Oh lord…. http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php
Notice they say Licensed and degreed signers. This is not “padding” you are just looking for a way to dismiss the evidence. They have been nothing but truthful with their declaration and for you to suggest otherwise simply shows the level you will stoop to to sling mud.

Science is not majority rule. If it were we would probably have never evolved out of the dark ages. That nasty Catholic church had a nasty habit of torturing and burning at the stake anyone who challenged their narrow minded, psychopathic control needs.

Sad to say some people continue in these outdated mindsets.

But hey if you need every Architect and Engineer in the world to give you psychological permission to stand up when you see murder being condoned and excused by the priesthood. That is your own issue.

By the way, it is a Volunteer organization after all, no tax derived freebies, hard working AMERICAN’s disagree with their government and thank god The Constitution was written to ensure exactly this dissent. So I ask you. Why do you hate the constitution? See what I did? I used a little of your black magic there. I really don’t assume you hate the Constitution, I just know you don’t understand history or what was really intended with that document. I framed the question trying to corner you as you would I. But I have more ethics than that so just consider that a little nudge as to how you come off.

As for evidence, again it is clearly all listed above in my posts. You can say whatever you want, it’s fine, the facts still stand and anyone who reads through all of this will see your attitude and intentions for what they are. I’ve got to get back to the work of organizing good people who can still think, feel, and act on truth to lead the charge for a new investigation with subpoena power. That way Bush and Co won’t be able to hold hands and not have anything recorded like before when they were questioned by the 9/11 omission commission (no mention of building 7 in that report)

Anyone who sees Building 7 collapse has all the information they need to question the official story. Thank God that there are brave individuals out there who do challenge the lies of empire.

You are not one of them and I’m sorry that you have obviously become so brainwashed that you can’t see the forest for the trees and need to focus on myopic red herrings as a way to bolster your fallacious points. Oh that and name calling, non sequiturs and distraction.

It’s a little too easy now that your pattern has been established.
Therefore I wish you well you and your doppleganger friends!

AuRevoir and May Liberty, Justice, Freedom, Truth, Honest Inquiry of the Facts and Love Reign!

PS> You don’t happen to work for Ga Tech as an english professor do you?
Nano_Thermite_911

@ Argosy and the Argosy dopple gang

Oh lord…. http://www2.ae911truth.org/sig…
Notice they say Licensed and degreed signers. This is not “padding” you are just looking for a way to dismiss the evidence. They have been nothing but truthful with their declaration and for you to suggest otherwise simply shows the level you will stoop to to sling mud.
http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

Science is not majority rule. If it were we would probably have never evolved out of the dark ages. That nasty Catholic church had a nasty habit of torturing and burning at the stake anyone who challenged their narrow minded, psychopathic control needs.

Sad to say some people continue in these outdated mindsets.

But hey if you need every Architect and Engineer in the world to give you psychological permission to stand up when you see murder being condoned and excused by the priesthood. That is your own issue.

By the way, it is a Volunteer organization after all, no tax derived freebies, hard working AMERICAN’s disagree with their government and thank god The Constitution was written to ensure exactly this dissent. So I ask you. Why do you hate the constitution? See what I did? I used a little of your black magic there. I really don’t assume you hate the Constitution, I just know you don’t understand history or what was really intended with that document. I framed the question trying to corner you as you would I. But I have more ethics than that so just consider that a little nudge as to how you come off.

As for evidence, again it is clearly all listed above in my posts. You can say whatever you want, it’s fine, the facts still stand and anyone who reads through all of this will see your attitude and intentions for what they are. I’ve got to get back to the work of organizing good people who can still think, feel, and act on truth to lead the charge for a new investigation with subpoena power. That way Bush and Co won’t be able to hold hands and not have anything recorded like before when they were questioned by the 9/11 omission commission (no mention of building 7 in that report)

Anyone who sees Building 7 collapse has all the information they need to question the official story. Thank God that there are brave individuals out there who do challenge the lies of empire.

You are not one of them and I’m sorry that you have obviously become so brainwashed that you can’t see the forest for the trees and need to focus on myopic red herrings as a way to bolster your fallacious points. Oh that and name calling, non sequiturs and distraction.

It’s a little too easy now that your pattern has been established.
Therefore I wish you well you and your doppleganger friends!

AuRevoir and May Liberty, Justice, Freedom, Truth, Honest Inquiry of the Facts and Love Reign!

PS> You don’t happen to work for Ga Tech as an english professor do you?
Nano_Thermite_911

@ Argosy and the Argosy dopple gang

Oh lord…. http://www2.ae911truth.org/sig…
Notice they say Licensed and degreed signers. This is not “padding” you are just looking for a way to dismiss the evidence. They have been nothing but truthful with their declaration and for you to suggest otherwise simply shows the level you will stoop to to sling mud.
http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

Science is not majority rule. If it were we would probably have never evolved out of the dark ages. That nasty Catholic church had a nasty habit of torturing and burning at the stake anyone who challenged their narrow minded, psychopathic control needs.

Sad to say some people continue in these outdated mindsets.

But hey if you need every Architect and Engineer in the world to give you psychological permission to stand up when you see murder being condoned and excused by the priesthood. That is your own issue.

By the way, it is a Volunteer organization after all, no tax derived freebies, hard working AMERICAN’s disagree with their government and thank god The Constitution was written to ensure exactly this dissent. So I ask you. Why do you hate the constitution? See what I did? I used a little of your black magic there. I really don’t assume you hate the Constitution, I just know you don’t understand history or what was really intended with that document. I framed the question trying to corner you as you would I. But I have more ethics than that so just consider that a little nudge as to how you come off.

As for evidence, again it is clearly all listed above in my posts. You can say whatever you want, it’s fine, the facts still stand and anyone who reads through all of this will see your attitude and intentions for what they are. I’ve got to get back to the work of organizing good people who can still think, feel, and act on truth to lead the charge for a new investigation with subpoena power. That way Bush and Co won’t be able to hold hands and not have anything recorded like before when they were questioned by the 9/11 omission commission (no mention of building 7 in that report)

Anyone who sees Building 7 collapse has all the information they need to question the official story. Thank God that there are brave individuals out there who do challenge the lies of empire.

You are not one of them and I’m sorry that you have obviously become so brainwashed that you can’t see the forest for the trees and need to focus on myopic red herrings as a way to bolster your fallacious points. Oh that and name calling, non sequiturs and distraction.

It’s a little too easy now that your pattern has been established.
Therefore I wish you well you and your doppleganger friends!

AuRevoir and May Liberty, Justice, Freedom, Truth, Honest Inquiry of the Facts and Love Reign!

PS> You don’t happen to work for Ga Tech as an english professor do you?
- Tuna Ghost
  
  Anyone who sees Building 7 collapse has all the information they need to question the official story.
  
  This is how millions of idiots suddenly feel qualified to toss out mountains of evidence in favor of flimsy conspiracy theories.
ArgosyJones

Scroll down you moron.
Yith

“So you’re not going to offer an answer for Bin Laden not being wanted for crimes of 9/11. Then who masterminded it?”

I think that the government was actually responsible for all the mass murder that Al Capone was accused of by the public. My argument? Well, just look at why “they” went after him: tax evasion. I mean, obviously since “mass murder” wasn’t right at the top of the list, simple logic dictates it must have been the government who did the “mass murder”. Am i right? Am I right? I mean this isn’t rocket science here…

“Classic misdirection techniques.”

Ohhhhhh…. I know what you need to see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBHEsEshhLs
American_girl

I think its great that someone with his platform is speaking out about something that matters. Its really up to scientist who aren’t funded by the government and the people to demand whomever is responsible for this to be brought to justice.

I mean i looked over the NIST report. They even say that their best Hypothesis is unlikely.

Or take James J Farmer , Dean At Rutgers Law — who was Senior adviser of the 9/11 commission report itself said ” There was a deliberate decision at some form of government to lie to the American people about the U.S.’s response to the events of September 11th… we owe it to the American people and the the victim’s family members” – he wrote a BOOK about it.

We don’t have to come up with conspiracy “Theory” when there are plenty of facts and scientific Peer reviewed data to support foul play was at hand.
American_girl

I think its great that someone with his platform is speaking out about something that matters. Its really up to scientist who aren’t funded by the government and the people to demand whomever is responsible for this to be brought to justice.

I mean i looked over the NIST report. They even say that their best Hypothesis is unlikely.

Or take James J Farmer , Dean At Rutgers Law — who was Senior adviser of the 9/11 commission report itself said ” There was a deliberate decision at some form of government to lie to the American people about the U.S.’s response to the events of September 11th… we owe it to the American people and the the victim’s family members” – he wrote a BOOK about it.

We don’t have to come up with conspiracy “Theory” when there are plenty of facts and scientific Peer reviewed data to support foul play was at hand.
- Yith
  
  “I mean i looked over the NIST report. They even say that their best Hypothesis is unlikely.”
  
  You “looked it over”? Really? Pray tell, how many pages was it and how long did it take you to “LOOK IT OVER”?
  
  Perhaps you mean you read a few clips from ae911truth.org or something (likely taken out of context).
  
  “We don’t have to come up with conspiracy “Theory” when there are plenty of facts and scientific Peer reviewed data to support foul play was at hand.”
  
  What is this “plenty of facts and peer-reviewed data” of which you speak? `Data’ or `papers’?
  - LCD USMC
    
    The 911 commission report is a 592 page paperback book – the NIST report is roughly 28 chapters online plus a photo gallery. each chapter or pdf is lengthy or say the least. its not an easy read. No i don’t have a hard copy . Its taken quite some time. I’m not even done yet.
    
    Are you a NYer? I am – you’d have seen the buildings that DIDNT fall but were on fire. You don’t have to be a scientist to see something is really wrong there. Firefighters and police officers talk about Molten Steel. Your air defenses told to stand down. do you know the SOP for a flight being out of contact with ATC?
    Or a building collapse?
    
    Tell me – what other building has fallen from fire? the Nist report didn’t say it fall because a building fell on it. It said debris from the building set the floors on fire, expanding steel beams only being on fire for less than a day. that the floors from 5-8 offered no resistance. What blew up the bottom of building 7′s Lobby? Asymmetrical damage causing symmetrical free fall. not exactly probable. If i kick you in your leg you won’t fall straight down. you’ll lean in the direction of the injury.
    
    but talking with me wont change your mind. All youcan do is question me. You’ve not read any of this stuff because you’re not even questioning it. All you can question is my looking over this material. I’m sorry
    
    You should take a look at the ground truth a book written by John Farmer Senior advisory of the 9/11 commission report. Or Pentagate. I’m attempting to set up a Formal Debate at Georgia Tech.
    - Yith
      
      “The 911 commission report is a 592 page paperback book – the NIST report is roughly 28 chapters online plus a photo gallery. each chapter or pdf is lengthy or say the least. its not an easy read. No i don’t have a hard copy . Its taken quite some time. I’m not even done yet.”
      
      So you haven’t actually read the NIST report, which is at least 10,000 pages.
      
      “You should take a look at the ground truth a book written by John Farmer Senior advisory of the 9/11 commission report. Or Pentagate. I’m attempting to set up a Formal Debate at Georgia Tech.”
      
      What is it with Georgia Tech? Is it a den of troofers or something — this is the second mention of Georgia Tech on this Rogan topic.
      
      Formal or informal debate is the WORST way to get at the truth… as anyone who has been wrongly convicted will tell you: a not especially charismatic or engaging defense attorney who speaks the truth is no match for a silver-tongued, comely prosecutor with no case. The internet age is making us all too aware of this. See, for example, Phil Plait’s comments about his debate with Rogan on the Moon Landing Hoax Conspiracy. Quoting from http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/26/joe-rogan-me-and-penn-and-the-moon-hoax-take-iii/ :
      
      “I do have an advantage over Joe — I’m right, after all! — but he has a lot more rhetorical practice, of course. He’s a standup comic, and an actor, and a TV show host and is a lot more aggressive than I am. On radio, that makes up pretty well for being wrong!”
      
      If you want to come as close to “The Truth” as is possible in this world, try the peer-review process. It’s slow — people take their time — but it works.
      - American_girl
        
        No – I’ve not read the entire thing, I’m STILL reading it. Like i said there are chapters online. The NIST report was separate from the 911 commission report. there was no mention of WTC 7 in the 911 commission report. Not because I’ve read it but because they SAID it. They didn’t focus on it because they didn’t think it was relevant. But too many people had questions. they would not allow the testimony of the firefighters and police officers, 1st responders and volunteers or anyone who mentioned explosions in the report. but i’m sure you’ve read it– right?
        
        I don’t know about the moon landing. Its not changing my life either way. 9/11 has. and 9/11 continues to. No one is getting blown to pieces over the moon landing. So you bringing it up is really just to fill space in your post. I know the Apollo Misson proved several things. they still don’t know why the moon exist and the surface is dense and the body of the interior is a network of hollow caves they theorize. At least according to the seismic data.
        
        Since things don’t seem to be obvious to you, GA tech has a rather large and respected architecture & engineering student body. The Dean of Architecture has been asked to review this data in a formal debate. I’m pretty sure when a theory is up for discussion the standard procedure is to put it out before peers and professionals for review and scrutiny. See unlike the folks who support the official story– they are actually awaiting someone to debate the science who is actually an architect or engineer or building welding inspector. the only people who seem to debate them are journalist.
        
        Also – no is is watching or listening to your TV show. ..just sayin. and with that. I’m off to work.
        
        nice talkin with you.
      - Sometimesfree
        
        you can also look up NIST-NCSTAR 1A (WTC 7 summary report) on http://wtc.nist.gov/ – its a shitty read but you can do it champ.
LCD USCG

Welcome to the new Gulf of Tonkin Event. Wiki said it best:

In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded that
“it is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi’s navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2″

So a war was launched because a US battleship encountered the wreckage of two boats and as per the captains accounts an over excited radar-man confused the sound of his propeller with that of a torpedo hitting the ship.

Millions died. on both sides. They knew they weren’t hit by a torpedo.

Only this time our government launched the torpedo.

or a plane…on 3 buildings.
LCD USCG

Welcome to the new Gulf of Tonkin Event. Wiki said it best:

In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded that
“it is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi’s navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2″

So a war was launched because a US battleship encountered the wreckage of two boats and as per the captains accounts an over excited radar-man confused the sound of his propeller with that of a torpedo hitting the ship.

Millions died. on both sides. They knew they weren’t hit by a torpedo.

Only this time our government launched the torpedo.

or a plane…on 3 buildings.
katrina777

You know what’s going to happen when this all comes out? All the folks who turned a blind eye to not only the suffering of our soldiers and the people in the middle east but the American people who had to pay for this war with their homes with their jobs and with their lives– they will be considered the new Nazis and “good Germans”

thinking that our government is bringing freedom to people by doing this:

Say there is a guy in your apartment building who is a killer or something so instead of doing work to find him they demolish the whole building. They don’t even dignify you with a search just send a drone and blow up yur house. Your baby girl in there your computer. your spouse all to catch this one guy. There are reported 50 supposed terrorist in Afghanistan. so we’ve got 50,000 good people in there fighting, murdering, terrorizing and disrupting civilians. that’s not even practical. Or right. the soldiers know it. more and more each year are committing suicide. Their humanity is interrupting with their duty as a soldier to obey and kill. more suicides than combat related death. Guarding Opium fields. – how is that even right? that isnt conspiracy theory — its something you can find anywhere. My pop is in the military- teaching his students physics – asking them about their detail. And they tell him crazy stories of things that have NOTHING to do with “fighting terror”

Once people realize this is not our war but a war of corporate greed then they will see how easy it is for our government to have orchestrated this.
katrina777

You know what’s going to happen when this all comes out? All the folks who turned a blind eye to not only the suffering of our soldiers and the people in the middle east but the American people who had to pay for this war with their homes with their jobs and with their lives– they will be considered the new Nazis and “good Germans”

thinking that our government is bringing freedom to people by doing this:

Say there is a guy in your apartment building who is a killer or something so instead of doing work to find him they demolish the whole building. They don’t even dignify you with a search just send a drone and blow up yur house. Your baby girl in there your computer. your spouse all to catch this one guy. There are reported 50 supposed terrorist in Afghanistan. so we’ve got 50,000 good people in there fighting, murdering, terrorizing and disrupting civilians. that’s not even practical. Or right. the soldiers know it. more and more each year are committing suicide. Their humanity is interrupting with their duty as a soldier to obey and kill. more suicides than combat related death. Guarding Opium fields. – how is that even right? that isnt conspiracy theory — its something you can find anywhere. My pop is in the military- teaching his students physics – asking them about their detail. And they tell him crazy stories of things that have NOTHING to do with “fighting terror”

Once people realize this is not our war but a war of corporate greed then they will see how easy it is for our government to have orchestrated this.
Garde

Well Joe Rogan is not exactly a scientist. Sure he can be heavy handed but you know what – people listen to him more than 14,000 architects and engineers presenting clear and science based forensic data that Building 7 ‘s collapse defies laws of PHYSICS.
Garde

Well Joe Rogan is not exactly a scientist. Sure he can be heavy handed but you know what – people listen to him more than 14,000 architects and engineers presenting clear and science based forensic data that Building 7 ‘s collapse defies laws of PHYSICS.
American_girl

This is an image from the NIST report saying NO steel from building 7 was used in the investigation….why not?? if this is the biggest crime on US soil and a the largest FBI headquarters outside of LANGLEY was infiltrated and compromised – then why not see how the ” evil doers” got in PAST our defenses- past the pentagon radar- PAST the most expensive counter air strike force in the world and past the front lobby of a building that housed the FBI the CIA and all the Enron investigative materials ( only copy) — why only use SIMULATIONS and computer models instead of doing what standard SOP is for building collapse. SEARCH FOR EXPLOSIVES IN MATERIALS…
American_girl

This is an image from the NIST report saying NO steel from building 7 was used in the investigation….why not?? if this is the biggest crime on US soil and a the largest FBI headquarters outside of LANGLEY was infiltrated and compromised – then why not see how the ” evil doers” got in PAST our defenses- past the pentagon radar- PAST the most expensive counter air strike force in the world and past the front lobby of a building that housed the FBI the CIA and all the Enron investigative materials ( only copy) — why only use SIMULATIONS and computer models instead of doing what standard SOP is for building collapse. SEARCH FOR EXPLOSIVES IN MATERIALS…
American_girl

Truth is – anyone who fought in the Vietnam war fought for nothing.
Truth is – the event that lead to that war was a false flag attack Re: the gulf of tonkin ( wiki it)
The truth is – Joe Rogan isn’t a scientist or an FBI whisleblower or a soldier on the ground who’s discovered that
The truth is— You’re paying for an illegal war and you’re supporting murder.

I’m not a truther – i’m just a real person. Real people were MLK who said we have guided missiles and misguided men.

And the truth is – Mr Jones — You have the luxury of ignoring this war and ignoring the events of that day because you’re not getting your home broken into by soldiers arresting you for having a weapon.
You’re not having your farm repossessed for the use of growing Opium. Your wife or son or daughter isn’t being returned to you in a box with a flag in it.

Or maybe that IS happening to you and you don’t really care. — Either way don’t get on people for questioning just because you’re okay with being asleep.
American_girl

Actually, any company who wants to present something to another company does it over lunch. not sure what point you’re making.

You can attack the people. But you can’t debate the science.
American_girl

If this doesn’t effect you and its got no merit – then why are you here? why not go comment on something about what ever interests you? You seem soo upset by the folks on here who have questions. You know who had questions? Barry Jennings who worked for Guliani. WTC 7 was the emergency management office. Barry was the manager of that. You should look up his video on youtube. He asks some very relevant questions. – But sadly he’s dead now. He was stuck in building 7 for some reason before it fell. they said the Boiler exploded. If that was the case– dont you think the NIST report would have mentioned that??? – nope – not a word of that in there…
American_girl

can any one name any other building that collapsed do to fire and girders expanding?
i can tell you one that DIDNT
Why did a hotel in China stay on fire for 24 hours and not collapse.

or even WTC5 which was at the bottom of WTC 1&2 heavier fire than WTC7. complely engulfed. – smaller building too. had more debris from the towers fall on them and yet… its still there…
American_girl

can any one name any other building that collapsed do to fire and girders expanding?
i can tell you one that DIDNT
Why did a hotel in China stay on fire for 24 hours and not collapse.

or even WTC5 which was at the bottom of WTC 1&2 heavier fire than WTC7. complely engulfed. – smaller building too. had more debris from the towers fall on them and yet… its still there…
- Yith
  
  “can any one name any other building that collapsed do to fire and girders expanding?”
  
  Major earthquakes are rare, as are major breaches of nuclear plant reactor cores. Yet, following the recent Japanese earthquake the Fukushima reactor cores did indeed become exposed — though not immediately after the quake — once the backup generators to cool said cores were made inoperable by the tsunami. This isn’t the first time that a nuclear plant has been hit by a major earthquake and/or flood. Can you name any steel-reinforced nuclear plants that have been exposed brought on by floods/tsunamis?
  
  No? Then, by troofer logic, it follows that it must have been a false-flag attack.
  - American_girl
    
    Lol – you clearly can’t answer that question. the answer is none. The only time in history was all on one day. 3 buildings and one didn’t even make it into the official 9/11 report. I’m saying there is a cover up. Its been used to launch 3 illegal wars. spy on its citizens are warrant the TSA to violate our 4th amendment rights.
    
    Not to mention allocate our tax dollars to the point where 60% of our taxes go to government contracts of war & department of defense. In addition to the troops, planes and ships being deployed, we hire mercenaries and private security companies for what? Allegedly 70 men? a Million Iraqi civilians died for 70 men?
    - Yith
      
      None… just like Fukushima. I WIN!!!!
Dr. Foo

why do i care so much?? i was about to be there. NY is my home. and i know people being sent to die for nothing. I’m sorry i can’t turn off the reality of this situation and watch some propaganda BS that tells me my government cares about its people. we all know they are crooked. Not all of them but at least the way corporations are now given more liberties than people. they run this country. And war profiteering is a real thing. They are willing to do ANYTHING to keep that power. and killing its own people is not beyond them.

In WW2 the us took Americans of Japanese decent and put them in interment camps.

lets switch that to today. – say we went to war with IRELAND. all red heads or folks with Irish names or of Irish decent in the country would be shipped to an “Interment camp” and not released until the war was over to stop resentment —what? Oh but because they are Muslim and most Americans don’t know anything about Muslims then it has nothing to do with them. Just wait until they turn those PTSD riddled soldiers who have been conditioned to see people as expendable come home and taze you for speeding or have no qualms about searching your home and murdering YOU in the name of “freedom” If you can’t see this if you’re not going to do anything then that’s fine. Just don’t get in the way of people are willing to stand up.

In the end – these conversations won’t convince you. Not Joe Rogan’s videos – not Richard Gage – not anyone. You have to find these things out for yourself.

Thankfully the government did a sloppy job with building 7 – science is on our side!
Dr. Foo

why do i care so much?? i was about to be there. NY is my home. and i know people being sent to die for nothing. I’m sorry i can’t turn off the reality of this situation and watch some propaganda BS that tells me my government cares about its people. we all know they are crooked. Not all of them but at least the way corporations are now given more liberties than people. they run this country. And war profiteering is a real thing. They are willing to do ANYTHING to keep that power. and killing its own people is not beyond them.

In WW2 the us took Americans of Japanese decent and put them in interment camps.

lets switch that to today. – say we went to war with IRELAND. all red heads or folks with Irish names or of Irish decent in the country would be shipped to an “Interment camp” and not released until the war was over to stop resentment —what? Oh but because they are Muslim and most Americans don’t know anything about Muslims then it has nothing to do with them. Just wait until they turn those PTSD riddled soldiers who have been conditioned to see people as expendable come home and taze you for speeding or have no qualms about searching your home and murdering YOU in the name of “freedom” If you can’t see this if you’re not going to do anything then that’s fine. Just don’t get in the way of people are willing to stand up.

In the end – these conversations won’t convince you. Not Joe Rogan’s videos – not Richard Gage – not anyone. You have to find these things out for yourself.

Thankfully the government did a sloppy job with building 7 – science is on our side!
1776

Joe Rogan can be a lil douchy – but that doesnt discredit his inquiry. he’s right people are being sent to die for nothing. Its not our fight. Good people are getting used to make money for big companies.

You’d think lives would be treated with more worth. Life is precious. money can be reprinted

i think the truth about 9/11 will start to make people see that we’ve let the dogs run in the yard too long and now they are telling us when to leave our homes when they are supposed to protect and serve and have our interest in mind.
1776

Joe Rogan can be a lil douchy – but that doesnt discredit his inquiry. he’s right people are being sent to die for nothing. Its not our fight. Good people are getting used to make money for big companies.

You’d think lives would be treated with more worth. Life is precious. money can be reprinted

i think the truth about 9/11 will start to make people see that we’ve let the dogs run in the yard too long and now they are telling us when to leave our homes when they are supposed to protect and serve and have our interest in mind.
Ahokahai

911 truth now! remember the fallen. Remember those who still fall
Ahokahai

911 truth now! remember the fallen. Remember those who still fall
ahokahai

yeah you’re right – there were never any weapons of mass destruction. We all know that our government launches wars with resource profit in mind. Like Libya being bombed for Humanitarian reasons?? HA – try that have a large oil repository and Gadafi made it so the country is now gaining the benefit of that instead of having other countries come in and drill. Its kinda like you have a orange tree and all our neighbors come to your hard and take and sell your oranges and meanwhile you’re starving and poor then they get mad at you and say you’re a criminal because you’re keeping them for yourself to sell.

The issue is settled – the US is run by a cartel. Time to take our home back!
Thescarletblue

apparently THIS is bringing people freedom
Thescarletblue

apparently THIS is bringing people freedom
Sometimesfree

And technically – if DMT is illegal then we’re all criminals because the brain produces DMT every time we dream. sometimes it shows you things you’d normally not see. Crazy geometric patterns, insane imagery and in Joe Rogan’s case… the truth
1776

Actually you know– I didnt have any opinions about it other than feeling sadness and then just as my father wondered being in the military – WHY was norad told to stand down?? When a place loses contact with Air traffic control that system is enabled in minutes. We have plans that can fly across the united states from end to end on 8 minutes. But a planes were allowed to go off course for a 1/2 hour and that doen’t raise any questions for you??

Don’t dismiss the facts in attempting to dismiss the people.
Sometimesfree

Perhaps you should take a listen to the 4 star general who thinks we should have a new investigation too. He’s got nothing to gain in stating that.
Sometimesfree

Perhaps you should take a listen to the 4 star general who thinks we should have a new investigation too. He’s got nothing to gain in stating that.
Afua Richardson

yeah– some people get really fired up about telling people they’re wrong. Its cool tho. Just wait till this all comes out. he’ll turn around n say ” Oh yeah well i knew there was something wrong all along” just like when it wasn’t popular to dislike Bush. everyone jumped on the band wagon AFTER he was out of office. But he was an idiot. And everyone knew it and only a few said something.
Afua Richardson

yeah– some people get really fired up about telling people they’re wrong. Its cool tho. Just wait till this all comes out. he’ll turn around n say ” Oh yeah well i knew there was something wrong all along” just like when it wasn’t popular to dislike Bush. everyone jumped on the band wagon AFTER he was out of office. But he was an idiot. And everyone knew it and only a few said something.
LCD USMC

He doesn’t work for anyone. He’s just some weak a$$ punk who will probably kill himself once the media cancels dancing with the stars lol.
LCD USMC

He doesn’t work for anyone. He’s just some weak a$$ punk who will probably kill himself once the media cancels dancing with the stars lol.
LCD USMC

Jones is weak. Don’t give him anymore of your energy patriot. keep fighting the good fight.
Yith

“I mean i looked over the NIST report. They even say that their best Hypothesis is unlikely.”

You “looked it over”? Really? Pray tell, how many pages was it and how long did it take you to “LOOK IT OVER”?

Perhaps you mean you read a few clips from ae911truth.org or something (likely taken out of context).

“We don’t have to come up with conspiracy “Theory” when there are plenty of facts and scientific Peer reviewed data to support foul play was at hand.”

What is this “plenty of facts and peer-reviewed data” of which you speak? `Data’ or `papers’?
ArgosyJones

http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/internet-tough-guy.jpg
LCD USMC

What about the Molten Steel in the bottom of all 3 buildings reported by firefighters 90 days AFTER the buildings fell.

believing the official story IS conspiracy theory.
Yith

“can any one name any other building that collapsed do to fire and girders expanding?”

Major earthquakes are rare, as are major breaches of nuclear plant reactor cores. Yet, following the recent Japanese earthquake the Fukushima reactor cores did indeed become exposed — though not immediately after the quake — once the backup generators to cool said cores were made inoperable by the tsunami. This isn’t the first time that a nuclear plant has been hit by a major earthquake and/or flood. Can you name any steel-reinforced nuclear plants that have been exposed brought on by floods/tsunamis?

No? Then, by troofer logic, it follows that it must have been a false-flag attack.
LCD USMC

why didn’t any of the buildings directly around the towers fall?

Barry Jennings, Guiliani’s Coordinator for emergency management explains that the hole in building 7 happened while he was IN the building there was an explosion beneath him he was trapped in before the buildings fell. he was trapped on the 8th floor for hours

Barry Jennings however , is now dead . he died 2 days before the commission report was released.
LCD USMC

they have nothing to debate with. he’s a waste of your time Brazi.
LCD USMC

how about you just post somewhere else son.
LCD USMC

The 911 commission report is a 592 page paperback book – the NIST report is roughly 28 chapters online plus a photo gallery. each chapter or pdf is lengthy or say the least. its not an easy read. No i don’t have a hard copy . Its taken quite some time. I’m not even done yet.

Are you a NYer? I am – you’d have seen the buildings that DIDNT fall but were on fire. You don’t have to be a scientist to see something is really wrong there. Firefighters and police officers talk about Molten Steel. Your air defenses told to stand down. do you know the SOP for a flight being out of contact with ATC?
Or a building collapse?

Tell me – what other building has fallen from fire? the Nist report didn’t say it fall because a building fell on it. It said debris from the building set the floors on fire, expanding steel beams only being on fire for less than a day. that the floors from 5-8 offered no resistance. What blew up the bottom of building 7′s Lobby? Asymmetrical damage causing symmetrical free fall. not exactly probable. If i kick you in your leg you won’t fall straight down. you’ll lean in the direction of the injury.

but talking with me wont change your mind. All youcan do is question me. You’ve not read any of this stuff because you’re not even questioning it. All you can question is my looking over this material. I’m sorry

You should take a look at the ground truth a book written by John Farmer Senior advisory of the 9/11 commission report. Or Pentagate. I’m attempting to set up a Formal Debate at Georgia Tech.
1776

Its in our brains :]
American_girl

Lol – you clearly can’t answer that question. the answer is none. The only time in history was all on one day. 3 buildings and one didn’t even make it into the official 9/11 report. I’m saying there is a cover up. Its been used to launch 3 illegal wars. spy on its citizens are warrant the TSA to violate our 4th amendment rights.

Not to mention allocate our tax dollars to the point where 60% of our taxes go to government contracts of war & department of defense. In addition to the troops, planes and ships being deployed, we hire mercenaries and private security companies for what? Allegedly 70 men? a Million Iraqi civilians died for 70 men?
Yith

None… just like Fukushima. I WIN!!!!
Yith

“The 911 commission report is a 592 page paperback book – the NIST report is roughly 28 chapters online plus a photo gallery. each chapter or pdf is lengthy or say the least. its not an easy read. No i don’t have a hard copy . Its taken quite some time. I’m not even done yet.”

So you haven’t actually read the NIST report, which is at least 10,000 pages.

“You should take a look at the ground truth a book written by John Farmer Senior advisory of the 9/11 commission report. Or Pentagate. I’m attempting to set up a Formal Debate at Georgia Tech.”

What is it with Georgia Tech? Is it a den of troofers or something — this is the second mention of Georgia Tech on this Rogan topic.

Formal or informal debate is the WORST way to get at the truth… as anyone who has been wrongly convicted will tell you: a not especially charismatic or engaging defense attorney who speaks the truth is no match for a silver-tongued, comely prosecutor with no case. The internet age is making us all too aware of this. See, for example, Phil Plait’s comments about his debate with Rogan on the Moon Landing Hoax Conspiracy. Quoting from http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/26/joe-rogan-me-and-penn-and-the-moon-hoax-take-iii/ :

“I do have an advantage over Joe — I’m right, after all! — but he has a lot more rhetorical practice, of course. He’s a standup comic, and an actor, and a TV show host and is a lot more aggressive than I am. On radio, that makes up pretty well for being wrong!”

If you want to come as close to “The Truth” as is possible in this world, try the peer-review process. It’s slow — people take their time — but it works.
American_girl

No – I’ve not read the entire thing, I’m STILL reading it. Like i said there are chapters online. The NIST report was separate from the 911 commission report. there was no mention of WTC 7 in the 911 commission report. Not because I’ve read it but because they SAID it. They didn’t focus on it because they didn’t think it was relevant. But too many people had questions. they would not allow the testimony of the firefighters and police officers, 1st responders and volunteers or anyone who mentioned explosions in the report. but i’m sure you’ve read it– right?

I don’t know about the moon landing. Its not changing my life either way. 9/11 has. and 9/11 continues to. No one is getting blown to pieces over the moon landing. So you bringing it up is really just to fill space in your post. I know the Apollo Misson proved several things. they still don’t know why the moon exist and the surface is dense and the body of the interior is a network of hollow caves they theorize. At least according to the seismic data.

Since things don’t seem to be obvious to you, GA tech has a rather large and respected architecture & engineering student body. The Dean of Architecture has been asked to review this data in a formal debate. I’m pretty sure when a theory is up for discussion the standard procedure is to put it out before peers and professionals for review and scrutiny. See unlike the folks who support the official story– they are actually awaiting someone to debate the science who is actually an architect or engineer or building welding inspector. the only people who seem to debate them are journalist.

Also – no is is watching or listening to your TV show. ..just sayin. and with that. I’m off to work.

nice talkin with you.
Sometimesfree

you can also look up NIST-NCSTAR 1A (WTC 7 summary report) on http://wtc.nist.gov/ – its a shitty read but you can do it champ.
Tuna Ghost

Hey remember when I provided you with a detailed structural account of WTC 7′s collapse? Complete with pictures and diagrams and easy-to-understand physics? And you never replied? Why was that?

And remember when I showed you that the editor of the Chemistry journal that published the “Nano-Thermite” article resigned because everyone knew it was a bullshit article that was inconclusive and had little to do with chemistry? Do you remember that? How you never replied, never responded to the huge amount of evidence supporting the notion that debris and fire were the primary cause of WTC’s collapse? Remember?
Tuna Ghost

All of these claims have been debunked, guy. Long ago. Remember the last time you were singing this song? I told you there were several easy to understand explanations, that I could show you them if you wanted to see them? And you said yeah and I showed them to you? Remember the diagrams, the charts, the actual physics? Remember how you left the conversation and never returned?
Tuna Ghost

Yeah, we don’t take you seriously because we’re either government agents or are incapable of believing the US gov’t doesn’t have our best interests at heart. Not because your claims have been debunked repeatedly, or because you sound like an idiot.

Obviously.
Tuna Ghost

Building 7. Has. Been. Explained. I’ve personally shown you the evidence. How long are you going to keep spouting half-truths and all-out lies?
Tuna Ghost

Anyone who sees Building 7 collapse has all the information they need to question the official story.

This is how millions of idiots suddenly feel qualified to toss out mountains of evidence in favor of flimsy conspiracy theories.
http://twitter.com/audiotruther Audio Truther

the whole shit is bloody corrupt time to throw them all out , party over Lucifer, Yahweh is here on Earth , wake up ppl..the church is corrupt they don’t want us to realize we are God in the flesh , we were made in his image !!

http://fightthe.podomatic.com/entry/2011-02-08T22_20_10-08_00
http://twitter.com/audiotruther Audio Truther

the whole shit is bloody corrupt time to throw them all out , party over Lucifer, Yahweh is here on Earth , wake up ppl..the church is corrupt they don’t want us to realize we are God in the flesh , we were made in his image !!

http://fightthe.podomatic.com/entry/2011-02-08T22_20_10-08_00