Liberty Dollar ‘Architect’ Convicted Of Conspiracy Against United States

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The Courier Press reports:

The former head of an Evansville-based company that tried to introduce a currency that competed with the U.S. dollar has been found guilty of federal charges in North Carolina.

Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted Friday by a federal jury of making, possessing and selling his own coins, said Anne M. Tompkins, U.S. attorney for the Western District of North Carolina.

After an eight-day trial and less than two hours of deliberation, von NotHaus, the founder and “monetary architect” of a currency known as the Liberty Dollar, was found guilty of making coins resembling and similar to United States coins; of issuing, passing, selling and possessing Liberty Dollar coins; of issuing and passing Liberty Dollar coins intended for use as current money; and of conspiracy against the United States…

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  • Voidthought

    There is no federal law that states that anyone selling things has to accept “U.S. Currency” as payment. That is why there are so many new currencies sprouting up in various states. And who says the dollar is U.S. Currency anyways? That is a FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE, which is basically denoting that it is documentation of debt to someone else. The article says that von NotHaus “claims” that the U.S. Dollar has been devaluing since 1913 and all evidence points to exactly that! The United States is not the fucking dollar so this isn’t a conspiracy against the United States but instead of its “shareholders”, the international bankers. The Federal Reserve owns this bankrupt country and the only reason we are still operating is because, I believe, this is one huge social experiment. It may not be deliberate or intentional but nonetheless it is happening and patterns are emerging from our diseased culture that could have otherwise been avoided.

    One thing that would of revolutionized this planet was conceived by Nikola Tesla and it was the wireless tower which would emit free electric energy for miles, WIRELESSLY…. and this was done in the early 1900s. But the economic czars are too concerned with more money and more stratification in society. If only we lived in a truly free world.

    • GoodDoktorBad

      I agree with everything you said in the first paragraph. What we call money can barely be classified as such.
      As you inferred they’re more like stock certs for buying debt.

      Nikola Tesla’s wireless power transmission idea never actually worked and was frankly -dangerous. Can you imagine a world with arcing power flowing through the air? Exposed electrical sources create ozone, radio interference, and disruption of electronic devices among other bad effects.
      Nikola Tesla was a genius, but this was not one of his better ideas.

      But, there are already technologies available to make “free” or nearly free energy. They simply are not utilized because business interests are threatened by it, not to mention -controling the masses by controlling their ability to provide for their own needs.

      • Voidthought

        Yeah, I never actually read into how it worked, what the ‘side effects’ would entail et cetera. It seemed like a good idea. I used that to illustrate the fact that those people at the top of the human food chain would rather stifle possible progress, either wittingly or unwittingly, than to see if something may work. Kinda like nutritional therapy for cancer patients. I understand that this may not work for all cancer patients but it should certainly be considered first before radiation and chemotherapy, especially considering the latter two damage healthy cells in the process. Most doctors will want to put you on medication(supporting the pharma companies) than to consider telling you to change you dietary intake. I’m sure there are many more examples of how this world could have been improved but hasn’t because of certain political and socio-economic reasons…

        • GoodDoktorBad

          I’m right there with ya on all that……

      • Simiantongue

        “Nikola Tesla’s wireless power transmission idea never actually worked and was frankly -dangerous. Can you imagine a world with arcing power flowing through the air? Exposed electrical sources create ozone, radio interference, and disruption of electronic devices among other bad effects.
        Nikola Tesla was a genius, but this was not one of his better ideas.”

        I’m not arguing with anything you wrote really, I’m going to say up front I know little about Tesla’s wireless system. Just an observation though. When the current(current he he) powerline system we now use first emerged it was nothing like the system we have today. Even the systems we have today are not all that safe. If you think about it there are, I don’t know how many, miles of electrical wire strung on poles all around the country. All of which is vulnerable to every sort of hazard from weather, wind, snow. Pretty much any kind of weather you can think of can affect power lines. Also trees are inimical to power lines. Power lines come down regularly. Even vulnerable to animals, damn squirrels downed my line last summer by chewing it. Little fella bit through enough to shut off my power and his body lit the pole on fire. Which is weird because I’ve never seen one do that before. The point being there that even something minor can lead to very hazardous situations. Lines that run underground in the cities are subject to time and corrosion sometimes leading to large and not so large power surges that can maim and kill right through the ground. There is far more danger inherent with power lines than I could possibly go over here. One thing is for sure it used to be far far worse in the earlier days before it got better. We learned how to do it better by trail and error over a long time. Ever go into a house with wiring from just 50 years ago? Oof, It’s just like fire waiting to happen in and on the walls. Many houses still just 50 years ago had electricity installed so the wires were run outside the plaster. Do we know how many kids have been killed since electricity was widely introduced through lines into homes? I don’t think anyone has kept count.

        Now Tesla’s system was maybe very hazardous in it’s day but so were the systems we use today, Though Tesla’s ended before it started really. Who can say really what system would of ended up being the safer system if his was developed further as the one we now enjoy was.

        • GoodDoktorBad

          We’re way off topic here but oh well. Yes, our electrical grid is fragile, inneficient and unreliable over the long term. Eventually, if we ever wise up, the trend toward home (and for business) power generation will make power plants, power lines etc. nearly unnecessary.

          As for Tesla’s wireless system, he never made it work over any practical distance. It was however, the basis for modern radio communications. His invention was essentially a broadcasting antenna which is used today for radio, TV and more applications too numerous to mention.

          Radio station broadcast antennas are on towers for two main reasons: (1)The higher the tower -the less interference from ground objects like mountains etc. (2)Broadcast antennas emit RF and EM radiation -enough to fry you to a crisp if you were near one with sufficent power. This is true of cellphones to a much smaller extent. I mention all this only to illustrate why his idea was dangerous. I have backround in electronics as a profession so I feel obliged to clarify and inform. Thanks.

  • Voidthought

    There is no federal law that states that anyone selling things has to accept “U.S. Currency” as payment. That is why there are so many new currencies sprouting up in various states. And who says the dollar is U.S. Currency anyways? That is a FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE, which is basically denoting that it is documentation of debt to someone else. The article says that von NotHaus “claims” that the U.S. Dollar has been devaluing since 1913 and all evidence points to exactly that! The United States is not the fucking dollar so this isn’t a conspiracy against the United States but instead of its “shareholders”, the international bankers. The Federal Reserve owns this bankrupt country and the only reason we are still operating is because, I believe, this is one huge social experiment. It may not be deliberate or intentional but nonetheless it is happening and patterns are emerging from our diseased culture that could have otherwise been avoided.

    One thing that would of revolutionized this planet was conceived by Nikola Tesla and it was the wireless tower which would emit free electric energy for miles, WIRELESSLY…. and this was done in the early 1900s. But the economic czars are too concerned with more money and more stratification in society. If only we lived in a truly free world.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with everything you said in the first paragraph. What we call money can barely be classified as such.
    As you inferred they’re more like stock certs for buying debt.

    Nikola Tesla’s wireless power transmission idea never actually worked and was frankly -dangerous. Can you imagine a world with arcing power flowing through the air? Exposed electrical sources create ozone, radio interference, and disruption of electronic devices among other bad effects.
    Nikola Tesla was a genius, but this was not one of his better ideas.

    But, there are already technologies available to make “free” or nearly free energy. They simply are not utilized because business interests are threatened by it, not to mention -controling the masses by controlling their ability to provide for their own needs.

  • Voidthought

    Yeah, I never actually read into how it worked, what the ‘side effects’ would entail et cetera. It seemed like a good idea. I used that to illustrate the fact that those people at the top of the human food chain would rather stifle possible progress, either wittingly or unwittingly, than to see if something may work. Kinda like nutritional therapy for cancer patients. I understand that this may not work for all cancer patients but it should certainly be considered first before radiation and chemotherapy, especially considering the latter two damage healthy cells in the process. Most doctors will want to put you on medication(supporting the pharma companies) than to consider telling you to change you dietary intake. I’m sure there are many more examples of how this world could have been improved but hasn’t because of certain political and socio-economic reasons…

  • Anonymous

    I’m right there with ya on all that……

  • Anonymous

    I’m right there with ya on all that……

  • Drinky McGee

    I’m not a fan of money or taxes, but I’m even less a fan of going to jail. Fight smart, people. Pretending that the government doesn’t exist won’t actually make it go away. Save up your Bazooka Joe wrappers and use them to buy a friggin’ clue.

    However, should you decide to tilt at those particular windmills, take heart. The barter system is used extensively in our prison system.

    • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

      …as Bernhard VonPoopenchest is about to find out. Srsly…what is it with these guys? Make believe time is supposed to end after kindergarten.

    • Blackcat1018

      I agree with you,, Drinky McGee, in that we can not make the government go away with hopes and prayer, or pretending it is not there. However, I can not just accept that we are letting a corrupt government put someone in jail that broke no law, didn’t harm anyone, didn’t cheat anyone, didn’t steal anything, or even so much as threaten anyone. What harm does this currency do? And instead of fighting for this man’s, and in essence all of our, freedom we are talking about freaking Tesla, (who’s flying machines are reported by UFO spotters all the time, just FYI) My point is this is one of many injustices and while we can not pretend it away, just shaking our heads and going, “man he should have been smarter than exercise his rights as a person” and “glad that is not me” Because one day it will be you, for exercising your right of religion, gun ownership, personal property, parental rights, free assembly, etc. If we don’t stop this now, the government will NEVER stop itself. And criticizing and mocking the victim for not knowing better, is like telling the rape victim its her fault for dressing immodestly, and then mocking her by saying, “hey take heart now you have lots of attention just like you wanted”. You make me sick, McGee, how dare you and VoxMagi consider yourself smart and him dumb, when in reality he is brave and you are cowards.

      • Drinky McGee

        What harm does the currency do? Hell, what harm do a lot of illegal things do. Certain drugs shouldn’t be illegal, yet they are. Civil disobedience has its place, but this fear of the federal reserve, etc tends to be the bugaboo of the right-wing militia, Alex Jones, batshit crazy, fucking dangerous, incivilly disobedient strain of American society that I want nothing to do with.

        Actually, as I try to imagine a country in which limitless different kinds of currency would circulate with no uniform standard . . . yeah, that would clearly precipitate an economic nightmare.

        • Blackcat1018

          Again I completely agree with you about the drug thing. I won’t go off on a tangent, but weed is only illegal because of its industrial uses, hemp, and this gave them a way of demonizing hemp so they could make more money. (simple internet search for uses of industrial hemp will amaze must people) However, I disagree with you about the danger of the federal reserve. I do not agree with AJ on a lot of stuff and feel he makes a living off of fear-mongering, However, I do take issue with an foreign controlled private bank controlling the currency of our nation. No body disagrees that the Fed is a private bank with little over site, some people just trust them more then I do.. I do not feel that have a tract record that justifies trust on my part. Our country was set up specifically and purposefully without a central bank, and the concept was very big at the time. England of course had it so all of the “founding fathers” knew about it, yet chose to not have one. Just as corporations were limited in how long they could exist and for what purpose, the founders recognized that one large organization has the potential to apply disproportionate influence on the nation at the expense of the people. This is what we have seen with in the past 100+ years with the so called “military industrial complex” with banks making up a large chuck of that complex.

          As to the many different types of currency: in a true free market such currencies would be subject to mass approval so that “unlimited” currency would not exist, but rather most likely several local currencies would ultimately gain prominence and maintain a steady exchange rate. Unless you are a multi national corp this is not a problem. We need to go back to individual people running their lives and businesses. We have too many sheep all looking for a big corporation or a big government to solve all their problems. We have been trained to distrust our neighbors and obey our government. This is assbackwards from our founding principles.

        • GoodDoktorBad

          ” incivilly disobedient strain of American society that I want nothing to do with.” These people you describe as “incivilly disobedient” (the word you want is un-civil). Just how un-civil can someone be by just speaking their mind? This site for instance is full of people speaking their mind -much like you are. How is this more uncivil than say -the Feds busting this guys door down simply because he competes with certain interests.
          How are words more un-civil than brute force? Ever been to a civil street demonstration? Who carries the guns and riot protection? Who beats protesters for having an opinion and just being present?
          Sorry, words and civil disobediance are our chance to be civil, not uncivil. In this way, even Alex Jones is saintly and CIVIL.
          You might want to examine your own motivations. Fear of change seems to be at the top of the list for you as is it for humanity in general. It’s not fear thats so bad, its the effects of cowardice that really do the damge and allow un-civil and un-just conditions to flourish.

  • Drinky McGee

    I’m not a fan of money or taxes, but I’m even less a fan of going to jail. Fight smart, people. Pretending that the government doesn’t exist won’t actually make it go away. Save up your Bazooka Joe wrappers and use them to buy a friggin’ clue.

    However, should you decide to tilt at those particular windmills, take heart. The barter system is used extensively in our prison system.

  • Simiantongue

    “Nikola Tesla’s wireless power transmission idea never actually worked and was frankly -dangerous. Can you imagine a world with arcing power flowing through the air? Exposed electrical sources create ozone, radio interference, and disruption of electronic devices among other bad effects.
    Nikola Tesla was a genius, but this was not one of his better ideas.”

    I’m not arguing with anything you wrote really, I’m going to say up front I know little about Tesla’s wireless system. Just an observation though. When the current(current he he) powerline system we now use first emerged it was nothing like the system we have today. Even the systems we have today are not all that safe. If you think about it there are, I don’t know how many, miles of electrical wire strung on poles all around the country. All of which is vulnerable to every sort of hazard from weather, wind, snow. Pretty much any kind of weather you can think of can affect power lines. Also trees are inimical to power lines. Power lines come down regularly. Even vulnerable to animals, damn squirrels downed my line last summer by chewing it. Little fella bit through enough to shut off my power and his body lit the pole on fire. Which is weird because I’ve never seen one do that before. The point being there that even something minor can lead to very hazardous situations. Lines that run underground in the cities are subject to time and corrosion sometimes leading to large and not so large power surges that can maim and kill right through the ground. There is far more danger inherent with power lines than I could possibly go over here. One thing is for sure it used to be far far worse in the earlier days before it got better. We learned how to do it better by trail and error over a long time. Ever go into a house with wiring from just 50 years ago? Oof, It’s just like fire waiting to happen in and on the walls. Many houses still just 50 years ago had electricity installed so the wires were run outside the plaster. Do we know how many kids have been killed since electricity was widely introduced through lines into homes? I don’t think anyone has kept count.

    Now Tesla’s system was maybe very hazardous in it’s day but so were the systems we use today, Though Tesla’s ended before it started really. Who can say really what system would of ended up being the safer system if his was developed further as the one we now enjoy was.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    …as Bernhard VonPoopenchest is about to find out. Srsly…what is it with these guys? Make believe time is supposed to end after kindergarten.

  • Anonymous

    We’re way off topic here but oh well. Yes, our electrical grid is fragile, inneficient and unreliable over the long term. Eventually, if we ever wise up, the trend toward home (and for business) power generation will make power plants, power lines etc. nearly unnecessary.

    As for Tesla’s wireless system, he never made it work over any practical distance. It was however, the basis for modern radio communications. His invention was essentially a broadcasting antenna which is used today for radio, TV and more applications too numerous to mention.

    Radio station broadcast antennas are on towers for two main reasons: (1)The higher the tower -the less interference from ground objects like mountains etc. (2)Broadcast antennas emit RF and EM radiation -enough to fry you to a crisp if you were near one with sufficent power. This is true of cellphones to a much smaller extent. I mention all this only to illustrate why his idea was dangerous. I have backround in electronics as a profession so I feel obliged to clarify and inform. Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    I’m just wondering here, but why should the United States feel threatened by people using a currency other than the US Dollar? It seems that the main problem they had was certain similarities the Liberty Dollar had with the US Dollar. But I doubt that anyone was under the impression that the Liberty dollars they bought were US dollars. After all, it was supposedly created to compete with the US dollar.

    So, again, why should the government feel threatened, and in what way was this possibly construed as being conspiracy against the United States?

  • supervexi

    I’m just wondering here, but why should the United States feel threatened by people using a currency other than the US Dollar? It seems that the main problem they had was certain similarities the Liberty Dollar had with the US Dollar. But I doubt that anyone was under the impression that the Liberty dollars they bought were US dollars. After all, it was supposedly created to compete with the US dollar.

    So, again, why should the government feel threatened, and in what way was this possibly construed as being conspiracy against the United States?

    • Voidthought

      Read the first post. You could also watch the Zeitgeist film and it gives a pretty good layout on why our system is the way it is. Our monetary system is a monopoly basically and doesn’t want any competition; economics and how it effects governments and even people in general is worthy of researching on your own.

  • http://www.nickmeador.org/ ndmeador

    This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in a while. Bog condemn Amewreckah

  • http://www.nickmeador.org/ ndmeador

    This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in a while. Bog condemn Amewreckah

  • 5by5

    I’m sorry but, why exactly is this illegal?

    He wasn’t counterfeiting U.S. currency. He was creating an alternative means of monetary exchange, which in principle, people are free to determine on their own as to whether it has any value to them or not.

    All forms of such symbolic exchange are mere constructs anyways….

    This is weird.

  • 5by5

    I’m sorry but, why exactly is this illegal?

    He wasn’t counterfeiting U.S. currency. He was creating an alternative means of monetary exchange, which in principle, people are free to determine on their own as to whether it has any value to them or not.

    All forms of such symbolic exchange are mere constructs anyways….

    This is weird.

    • Blackcat1018

      It’s not illegal. but the state is good at convicting people with out the petty detail of a law. Look how many people have gone to jail for not paying income tax. Not only is there no income tax law, such a law would be unconstitutional. This conviction is about control not justice. They want control over the money, and by extension, everyone who uses it. Namely you.

  • Voidthought

    Read the first post. You could also watch the Zeitgeist film and it gives a pretty good layout on why our system is the way it is. Our monetary system is a monopoly basically and doesn’t want any competition; economics and how it effects governments and even people in general is worthy of researching on your own.

  • Blackcat1018

    It’s not illegal. but the state is good at convicting people with out the petty detail of a law. Look how many people have gone to jail for not paying income tax. Not only is there no income tax law, such a law would be unconstitutional. This conviction is about control not justice. They want control over the money, and by extension, everyone who uses it. Namely you.

  • Blackcat1018

    I agree with you,, Drinky McGee, in that we can not make the government go away with hopes and prayer, or pretending it is not there. However, I can not just accept that we are letting a corrupt government put someone in jail that broke no law, didn’t harm anyone, didn’t cheat anyone, didn’t steal anything, or even so much as threaten anyone. What harm does this currency do? And instead of fighting for this man’s, and in essence all of our, freedom we are talking about freaking Tesla, (who’s flying machines are reported by UFO spotters all the time, just FYI) My point is this is one of many injustices and while we can not pretend it away, just shaking our heads and going, “man he should have been smarter than exercise his rights as a person” and “glad that is not me” Because one day it will be you, for exercising your right of religion, gun ownership, personal property, parental rights, free assembly, etc. If we don’t stop this now, the government will NEVER stop itself. And criticizing and mocking the victim for not knowing better, is like telling the rape victim its her fault for dressing immodestly, and then mocking her by saying, “hey take heart now you have lots of attention just like you wanted”. You make me sick, McGee, how dare you and VoxMagi consider yourself smart and him dumb, when in reality he is brave and you are cowards.

  • Drinky McGee

    What harm does the currency do? Hell, what harm do a lot of illegal things do. Certain drugs shouldn’t be illegal, yet they are. Civil disobedience has its place, but this fear of the federal reserve, etc tends to be the bugaboo of the right-wing militia, Alex Jones, batshit crazy, fucking dangerous, incivilly disobedient strain of American society that I want nothing to do with.

    Actually, as I try to imagine a country in which limitless different kinds of currency would circulate with no uniform standard . . . yeah, that would clearly precipitate an economic nightmare.

  • Blackcat1018

    Again I completely agree with you about the drug thing. I won’t go off on a tangent, but weed is only illegal because of its industrial uses, hemp, and this gave them a way of demonizing hemp so they could make more money. (simple internet search for uses of industrial hemp will amaze must people) However, I disagree with you about the danger of the federal reserve. I do not agree with AJ on a lot of stuff and feel he makes a living off of fear-mongering, However, I do take issue with an foreign controlled private bank controlling the currency of our nation. No body disagrees that the Fed is a private bank with little over site, some people just trust them more then I do.. I do not feel that have a tract record that justifies trust on my part. Our country was set up specifically and purposefully without a central bank, and the concept was very big at the time. England of course had it so all of the “founding fathers” knew about it, yet chose to not have one. Just as corporations were limited in how long they could exist and for what purpose, the founders recognized that one large organization has the potential to apply disproportionate influence on the nation at the expense of the people. This is what we have seen with in the past 100+ years with the so called “military industrial complex” with banks making up a large chuck of that complex.

    As to the many different types of currency: in a true free market such currencies would be subject to mass approval so that “unlimited” currency would not exist, but rather most likely several local currencies would ultimately gain prominence and maintain a steady exchange rate. Unless you are a multi national corp this is not a problem. We need to go back to individual people running their lives and businesses. We have too many sheep all looking for a big corporation or a big government to solve all their problems. We have been trained to distrust our neighbors and obey our government. This is assbackwards from our founding principles.

  • Anonymous

    ” incivilly disobedient strain of American society that I want nothing to do with.” These people you describe as “incivilly disobedient” (the word you want is un-civil). Just how un-civil can someone be by just speaking their mind? This site for instance is full of people speaking their mind -much like you are. How is this more uncivil than say -the Feds busting this guys door down simply because he competes with certain interests.
    How are words more un-civil than brute force? Ever been to a civil street demonstration? Who carries the guns and riot protection? Who beats protesters for having an opinion and just being present?
    Sorry, words and civil diobediance are our chance to be civil, not uncivil. In this way, even Alex Jones is saintly and CIVIL.
    You might want to examine your own motivations. Fear of change seems to be at the top of the list for you as is it for humanity in general. It’s not fear thats so bad, its the effects of cowardice that really do the damge and allow un-civil and un-just conditions to flourish.