Religion May Become Extinct In Nine Nations

chrchNot to imply a causal relationship, but the nine countries pinpointed to become religion-free are among the healthiest, happiest, and most prosperous in the world — shouldn’t God be giving them a dose of wrath as comeuppance? BBC News reports:

A study using census data from nine countries shows that religion there is set for extinction, say researchers. The result, reported at the American Physical Society meeting in Dallas, US, indicates that religion will all but die out altogether in those countries.

The team took census data stretching back as far as a century from countries in which the census queried religious affiliation: Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.

The team’s mathematical model attempts to account for the interplay between the number of religious respondents and the social motives behind being one.

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  • JoiquimCouteau

    Hooray!

  • Lgolos

    Hooray!

  • Carl

    Awesome

  • Carl

    Awesome

  • Blah

    Apparently some people know there is no moral standard.

  • Blah

    Apparently some people know there is no moral standard.

  • MrPINKi

    Boooo

  • MrPINKi

    Boooo

  • Andrew

    I’ll bet it doesn’t.

    • sandwyrm

      Communism is a religion. Socialism is a religion. Environmentalism is a religion. Democracy, Capitalism, Protectionism, Free Trade, Racism, Anti-Racism, The Big Bang. Etc. All are beliefs which propagate through groups. All requite adherents to take most of their tenents on faith, as no one person can test every assumption rigorously. At best, we test a few and assume the rest are correct. Most people defend these beliefs irrationally in the face of evidence to the contrary. Most people keep their unorthodox doubts concealed in order to get along with larger groups of believers.

      “Religion” isn’t dying out. It’s fragmenting, and the fragments overlap. We all subscribe to multiple religions every day.  The belief in God/Gods is just one of these beliefs that addresses a specific set of human spiritual needs. Some of the organizations that provide these answers may fall, but the needs (and those that service them) will live on. Because there are limits to what science (which has it’s own religious dogmas) can explain.

  • Andrew

    I’ll bet it doesn’t.

  • dumbsaint

    I’m fairly surprised to see Australia on the list. Sure religion isn’t all that significant down here culturally but it’s still everywhere. Immigrants from Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist countries seem to be quite religious. Hell a young coworker of mine was a bat-shit christian that would put a lot of yanks to shame. He wouldn’t let himself watch ‘Heroes’ because of a perceived Satanic message.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

      It’s a matter of percentages. Below a certain threshold, I suppose it could be said that there aren’t enough religious people to declare that a country is primarily religious.

  • Anonymous

    I’m fairly surprised to see Australia on the list. Sure religion isn’t all that significant down here culturally but it’s still everywhere. Immigrants from Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist countries seem to be quite religious. Hell a young coworker of mine was a bat-shit christian that would put a lot of yanks to shame. He wouldn’t let himself watch ‘Heroes’ because of a perceived Satanic message.

  • grooveboss

    Its extinct until they start to worship me. Their new bullshit provider !!!

  • grooveboss

    Its extinct until they start to worship me. Their new bullshit provider !!!

  • Heathen Ledger

    “God is dead.” – Nietzsche
    “Nietzsche is dead.” – God

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

      Correction: Nietzsche is more alive than God is. They both exist today only as ideas, but there’s much greater reason to believe Nietzsche actually did physically exist at one time.

      • Joanarbil

        so true

      • Godsfriend

        Correction: For man to define God is to dwarf the true idea of God itself . . . Basic Ideas of Occult Wisdom . . . Michael the “man” has his physical reality to experience . . . judge and ponder . . . he will grow old and die doing so because he believes in time . . The New Man knows he “projects” this reality you refer to as “physical” . . . . creating it from the “inside” to the “outside” . . . and experiences it in the “now” . . . no place called future . . . no place called “past” . . only “now” . . . no time/ illusion . . . I love God . . I love Nietzsche . . . I love . ……. I am . . . . . now

        • Lonnieblakley

          Hay can I have some of whatever your smoking?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

            don’t bogart — hit it and quit it yo.

        • chimthegrim

          God is a Vagina, hence “Jesus remember me when I come into your kingdom”

    • justagirl

      so cometh the Superman.

      <3

    • Mattman

      except god never said Nietzsche is dead, because god doesn’t exist.

      • Godsfriend

        Doesn’t exist for you “Mattman” . . . . you prefer to cling to the opinion you have , to make everything as easy as possible for yourself. . Enjoy ‘time’ Mattman . . . God doesn’t know ‘time’ . . . and God hasn’t been introduced to Mattman so God doesn’t know Mattman . . . perfection . . . perfection . . love is . . I am . . now . . . I am eternal . . . I am in joy . . .

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

          so god is NOT omniscient?
          i mean, if he needs a formal introduction to one of his creatures … ?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

      “Heathen Ledger is dead”– laws of nature, time, whatever … ?
      just sayin’ champ
      ;-)

  • Heathen Ledger

    “God is dead.” – Nietzsche
    “Nietzsche is dead.” – God

  • DeepCough

    Agh. As always, the U.S. is behind the curve.

  • DeepCough

    Agh. As always, the U.S. is behind the curve.

  • Skleptic

    Happiest countries?

    With the exception of Austrailia and the Netherlands, all of those countries are in the top 35 for suicide. Finland is 14th. That doesn’t sound happy to me.

    • Skleptic

      Also from the article
      “The team then applied their nonlinear dynamics model, adjusting parameters for the relative social and utilitarian merits of membership of the “non-religious” category.”

      If that isn’t another way of saying “pulling numbers out of our asses to fit the message we want to present,” I don’t know what is.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

        That’s why they compared the predictions of the model to actual observed religious observance statistical data from the countries under study. You do understand how that makes a big difference for the credibility of the model, right?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

      So … out of the top 35 suicide countries, 7 of them are losing their religion? And this means that non-religious countries are unhappy? What about the other 28 out of the top 35?

      • Skleptic

        I have no idea what role religion plays in suicide rate, except perhaps being a deterrant. Thats not really the point I was attempting to make.

        Rather the point is that it’s odd to point to countries with an extremely high suicide rate and call them “the happiest in the world.” Happy people typically don’t off themselves.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

          How on Earth is religion a deterrent to suicide? It tells you that a better life awaits you after this one. If anything, religion should encourage suicide.

          • Skleptic

            Good question, like I said, I have no idea, although there are several hyper-religious countries very low on the list.

            Anyway, another good question would be “Why you feel the need to derail my point?”

          • http://twitter.com/Cretaceous_one Ambulo cetus

            “on almost every measure of societal health, the least religious countries are
            better off than the most religious. Countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the
            Netherlands—which are the most atheistic societies on earth—consistently rate better than religious nations on measures like life expectancy, infant mortality, crime, literacy,
            GDP, child welfare, economic equality, economic competitiveness, gender equality,
            health care, investments in education, rates of university enrollment, internet access,
            environmental protection, lack of corruption, political stability, and charity to poorer
            nations, etc.”

            The Moral Landscape – Sam Harris

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

            shhh– don’t let facts interfere with his delusion …

            or her– don’t mean to be sexist.

          • supervexi

            “It tells you that a better life awaits you after this one. If anything, religion should encourage suicide.”

            That’s using a rather broad brush to paint the teachings of any given religion. Besides being patently in many cases, it is a misstatement for others. Lets assume a religion that does actually promise a better life-after. Most of these (if not all) include a negation of this promise for those who commit suicide. Several even promise a worse life-after as punishment for the act.

            And I would ask on what basis do you make the statement that “we know that people in Haiti are living absolutely miserable lives”? Really? Because they have a lower average standard of living than developed nations? Because they recently had a horrible natural disaster? This automatically means they are all miserable? Pretty presumptuous statement, with absolutely zero evidence presented to back it up.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

      By the way, the country which scores the lowest on suicide rates is Haiti, and yet we know that people in Haiti are living absolutely miserable lives. Egypt is also one of the best-performing countries on this metric, and they were so unhappy there that they recently overthrew their government. Perhaps there is something wrong with this entire method of determining how happy a society is.

      • Skleptic

        Hey, to be fair, in ’09 Haitians rated themselves on Happiness. They rated in at #42, higher than any of these “Happiest” countries, although Netherlands clocked in at #43.

        With a very low suicide rate and rating themselves in the top 50 for happiness, obviously The Netherlands is doing something right.

        • Synapse

          Yeah, they’re doing pot, and lots of it. Hint hint hint.

        • Xxlmax

          Austria’s #3

      • grooveboss

        suicide is the ultimate right.

    • Guest

      In some countries, suicide is a crime. Therefore, a person would forfeit all of their assets to the state, or a good portion. If the person had kids, or wanted to leave something to someone, then they could not. That and the extra stigma attached to families with a suicide. Freer countries don’t necessarily have the same social mores and legal statutes that would make suicide even more painful.

  • Skleptic

    Happiest countries?

    With the exception of Austrailia and the Netherlands, all of those countries are in the top 35 for suicide. Finland is 14th. That doesn’t sound happy to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

    Correction: Nietzsche is more alive than God is. They both exist today only as ideas, but there’s much greater reason to believe Nietzsche actually did physically exist at one time.

  • Skleptic

    Also from the article
    “The team then applied their nonlinear dynamics model, adjusting parameters for the relative social and utilitarian merits of membership of the “non-religious” category.”

    If that isn’t another way of saying “pulling numbers out of our asses to fit the message we want to present,” I don’t know what is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

    So … out of the top 35 suicide countries, 7 of them are losing their religion? And this means that non-religious countries are unhappy? What about the other 28 out of the top 35?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

    It’s a matter of percentages. Below a certain threshold, I suppose it could be said that there aren’t enough religious people to declare that a country is primarily religious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

    By the way, the country which scores the lowest on suicide rates is Haiti, and yet we know that people in Haiti are living absolutely miserable lives. Egypt is also one of the best-performing countries on this metric, and they were so unhappy there that they recently overthrew their government. Perhaps there is something wrong with this entire method of determining how happy a society is.

  • Skleptic

    I have no idea what role religion plays in suicide rate, except perhaps being a deterrant. Thats not really the point I was attempting to make.

    Rather the point is that it’s odd to point to countries with an extremely high suicide rate and call them “the happiest in the world.” Happy people typically don’t off themselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

    That’s why they compared the predictions of the model to actual observed religious observance statistical data from the countries under study. You do understand how that makes a big difference for the credibility of the model, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

    That’s why they compared the predictions of the model to actual observed religious observance statistical data from the countries under study. You do understand how that makes a big difference for the credibility of the model, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/garebear409 Garrett Schaefer

    Just came up with a new list of countries to relocate to :D

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

      i’m still thinking either Canada or Costa Rica– although if their economy stabilizes after telling the UK to stuff their $4Bn demand, i’d head there– the wimmin are hawt!

  • http://www.facebook.com/garebear409 Garrett Schaefer

    Just came up with a new list of countries to relocate to :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/garebear409 Garrett Schaefer

    Just came up with a new list of countries to relocate to :D

  • Stripedrabbit

    What did they use as their definition of “happier”?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

    How on Earth is religion a deterrent to suicide? It tells you that a better life awaits you after this one. If anything, religion should encourage suicide.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Wong/100001320726172 Michael Wong

    How on Earth is religion a deterrent to suicide? It tells you that a better life awaits you after this one. If anything, religion should encourage suicide.

  • Stripedrabbit

    What did they use as their definition of “happier”?

    • Chauvinist

      Amount of BJ’s received monthly, duh. That’s how how I define it!

  • Skleptic

    Hey, to be fair, in ’09 Haitians rated themselves on Happiness. They rated in at #42, higher than any of these “Happiest” countries, although Netherlands clocked in at #43.

    With a very low suicide rate and rating themselves in the top 50 for happiness, obviously The Netherlands is doing something right.

  • Skleptic

    Good question, like I said, I have no idea, although there are several hyper-religious countries very low on the list.

    Anyway, another good question would be “Why you feel the need to derail my point?”

  • grooveboss

    Religion is sports,politics, labor, science, and the law everything else is mysticism and can’t be contained, controlled or explained. yet? Church was the way people were entertained back when there was no global electronic multimedia network. So people would break out of the routine of primitive life by hearing tales of a mystical being manipulating his grand creation that well might exist (in another more complex form) and socializing to study god and hopefully help each other adhere to he philosophy each sect brings . But these days people can revere and worship god by enjoying their lives and making their lives and the lives of others better by being creative, friendly, caring and free (like the sun card in the TAROT). There should be an organized central forum in town that people can attend from time to time just to make sure people come in contact and know each other, which is what church is except for the infection of these hypnotic ideas of a being that takes care of us from behind the curtains. What I get from religions are the deadly sins and the heavenly virtues either then that its just really effective literature and stage shows and last but not least mass hypnotism. Amen!

  • grooveboss

    Religion is sports,politics, labor, science, and the law everything else is mysticism and can’t be contained, controlled or explained. yet? Church was the way people were entertained back when there was no global electronic multimedia network. So people would break out of the routine of primitive life by hearing tales of a mystical being manipulating his grand creation that well might exist (in another more complex form) and socializing to study god and hopefully help each other adhere to he philosophy each sect brings . But these days people can revere and worship god by enjoying their lives and making their lives and the lives of others better by being creative, friendly, caring and free (like the sun card in the TAROT). There should be an organized central forum in town that people can attend from time to time just to make sure people come in contact and know each other, which is what church is except for the infection of these hypnotic ideas of a being that takes care of us from behind the curtains. What I get from religions are the deadly sins and the heavenly virtues either then that its just really effective literature and stage shows and last but not least mass hypnotism. Amen!

  • grooveboss

    Religion is sports,politics, labor, science, and the law everything else is mysticism and can’t be contained, controlled or explained. yet? Church was the way people were entertained back when there was no global electronic multimedia network. So people would break out of the routine of primitive life by hearing tales of a mystical being manipulating his grand creation that well might exist (in another more complex form) and socializing to study god and hopefully help each other adhere to he philosophy each sect brings . But these days people can revere and worship god by enjoying their lives and making their lives and the lives of others better by being creative, friendly, caring and free (like the sun card in the TAROT). There should be an organized central forum in town that people can attend from time to time just to make sure people come in contact and know each other, which is what church is except for the infection of these hypnotic ideas of a being that takes care of us from behind the curtains. What I get from religions are the deadly sins and the heavenly virtues either then that its just really effective literature and stage shows and last but not least mass hypnotism. Amen!

  • grooveboss

    suicide is the ultimate right.

  • grooveboss

    suicide is the ultimate right.

  • Anonymous

    in austria you have to pay taxes to the (catholic) church, so a lot of people quit the church. this (and lack of interest) was my main reason to change my official status to “without religious affiliation”: why pay for something i don’t care about?
    i think without the monetary factor a lot of people would simply not care what an official document says about their religious beliefs, with the exeption of religious holidays of course. the “drop-out rate” raises every year, mostly after a new scandal about sexual abuse in the church or its schools of which there is no shortage of.

  • 99prozent

    in austria you have to pay taxes to the (catholic) church, so a lot of people quit the church. this (and lack of interest) was my main reason to change my official status to “without religious affiliation”: why pay for something i don’t care about?
    i think without the monetary factor a lot of people would simply not care what an official document says about their religious beliefs, with the exeption of religious holidays of course. the “drop-out rate” raises every year, mostly after a new scandal about sexual abuse in the church or its schools of which there is no shortage of.

  • Will

    Hey, don’t forget that the biblical god committed suicide for your sins. Suicide by cop (roman centurion).

  • Will

    Hey, don’t forget that the biblical god committed suicide for your sins. Suicide by cop (roman centurion).

    • http://www.facebook.com/m.k.winemiller Megan Winemiller

      Biblical son of a fictional deity.

      It kills me that religious people can’t ever get that fact straight, it seems.

      I mean, by worshiping Jesus instead of ‘God’, wouldn’t that be considered worshiping a false idol or something along those lines?

      I don’t really know, nor do I really care; it’s just that it’s always confused me so.

      • Felis

        Just to clarify (or possibly confuse further) – when Christinans talk about God, they often refer to the three “faces”; that’s where all that “the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”-talk comes in. My interpretation is that they should all be seen as three sides to the same coin (or pyramid, I guess) but essentially the same being. Kind of nifty device since it lets you get around both the polytheistic vibes and the false idol stuff. Then again, there’s definitiely a dissonace when you’re referring to Jesus as the son of God but I guess organized religion never has been big on continuity.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

          pyramid has four sides …
          just sayin’

  • Anonymous

    “It tells you that a better life awaits you after this one. If anything, religion should encourage suicide.”

    That’s using a rather broad brush to paint the teachings of any given religion. Besides being patently in many cases, it is a misstatement for others. Lets assume a religion that does actually promise a better life-after. Most of these (if not all) include a negation of this promise for those who commit suicide. Several even promise a worse life-after as punishment for the act.

    And I would ask on what basis do you make the statement that “we know that people in Haiti are living absolutely miserable lives”? Really? Because they have a lower average standard of living than developed nations? Because they recently had a horrible natural disaster? This automatically means they are all miserable? Pretty presumptuous statement, with absolutely zero evidence presented to back it up.

  • Anonymous

    I think that the real issue here is more of a correction in statistics based on prevailing notions of what is socially acceptable. There may be a real decline in people who honestly and personally believe in some given faith-system, but I think it is more likely that the apathetic masses who don’t really believe anything no longer feel compelled to pretend that they do.

    People who honestly and personally believe in the absence of god have rarely (especially in the past two-hundred years across the developed world) not been able to voice their dissent, one way or another.

    The real decline, I believe, is of people who only ever went to church, or synagogue, or temple, or whatever, simply because their parents did (and they only because their parents did, and so on, ad nauseum).

  • supervexi

    I think that the real issue here is more of a correction in statistics based on prevailing notions of what is socially acceptable. There may be a real decline in people who honestly and personally believe in some given faith-system, but I think it is more likely that the apathetic masses who don’t really believe anything no longer feel compelled to pretend that they do.

    People who honestly and personally believe in the absence of god have rarely (especially in the past two-hundred years across the developed world) not been able to voice their dissent, one way or another.

    The real decline, I believe, is of people who only ever went to church, or synagogue, or temple, or whatever, simply because their parents did (and they only because their parents did, and so on, ad nauseum).

    • Enigman69

      Here’s the thing. The anti-religionists, atheists, hate any religion. But they can’t prove that God does not exist so they have to belittle God to the rest of us. And when that fails, they then belittle us. So just what is it about God that scares the hell out of them anyway?

  • samson147

    There is always a “religion” in practice no matter where you are in the world. Just because a group of people inside certain boundaries do not go to a building to worship a certain deity does not mean that they do not have a belief inside them of a higher power. I would bet in these same countries that these people celebrate Christmas, Easter, and other holidays that are related to religion. No matter how much you wish that there were parts of the world that were religion free, it isn’t going to happen. Lack of “religion” is not the same as atheism.

  • samson147

    There is always a “religion” in practice no matter where you are in the world. Just because a group of people inside certain boundaries do not go to a building to worship a certain deity does not mean that they do not have a belief inside them of a higher power. I would bet in these same countries that these people celebrate Christmas, Easter, and other holidays that are related to religion. No matter how much you wish that there were parts of the world that were religion free, it isn’t going to happen. Lack of “religion” is not the same as atheism.

    • Jesusstolemyhubcaps

      I don’t know about the other countries but I loved in both Australia and New Zealand and they don’t celebrate Christmas. They celebrate “Boxing Day” which has nothing to do with Jesus dying for anyones sins or being resurrected three days later. Weird how that reminds me of the suns procession at that time of year…what a coinky dink!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_day

      • Robot Alien

        I think someone is having you on…….hahaha

      • Antoniomorales915

        australia and new zealand do celebrate christmas
        christmas is to celebrate Jesus birth not to celebrate him dying for our sins

        • Wiicamper

          And here I thought christmas was to celebrate materialism. I dont know many people anymore that celebrate some imaginary timeless sky man who fathered himself to die to absolve sin that was placed on man by him.

          Everyone I know celebrates christmas by celebrating friends and family, not Jesus

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

            isn’t christmas just a revisionism of pagan solstice celebrations? wasn’t historical jesus born in April– or was it May?
            maybe November … ?
            then there’s the whole vernal equinox Eostre thingy …
            and Zoroaster/ Mithra parallels, no?
            read your Joseph Campbell peoples.
            might as well invest yourself in the Star Wars mythos.

    • Felis

      There doesn’t have to be any correlation between “active” spirituality/religion and the celebration of religious holidays. Our religious history has been well enough integrated into our culture and values to survive without any actual belief in any kind of deity. I’ll bet that a lot of people who celebrate Christmas religiously (pun most def intended) could care less about the Jesus side of it. I for one enjoy Christmas and even go to mass every year – that doesn’t make me less of an atheist, it just means I’m interested in my own history and happen to like nice stories about camels, men in beards and babies being born. Celebrating traditional holidays does not mean you actually believe in a higher power.

  • Gregory

    Woohoo, yes, once religion goes away, I can worship Vishnu without anybody hasslin’ me.

  • Gregory

    Woohoo, yes, once religion goes away, I can worship Vishnu without anybody hasslin’ me.

    • supervexi

      Because, of course, there isn’t one of the largest religions in the world that worship vishnu and ganesha. Oh wait, I forgot. Yes there is.

  • Synapse

    Yeah, they’re doing pot, and lots of it. Hint hint hint.

  • Gregory

    What we’re talking about is organized religion of course, you could argue there is no organized religion among, say, the Australian aborigines, yet they clearly have an understanding along those lines. It’s so integrated into their life, they don’t think of it as such, and that’s how the world used to be way back.

    What we’re seeing now is the pending end, across the world, of the organized religions that replaced in most places, the aboriginal, ancestral, traditional ways of the people before this new religion came in. Which is why it is so funny for Xians in Uhmurkah to protest the influx of Islam, due to their fears of Islam spreading and wiping out Xianity…when Xianity did the same thing to these European descendants a few centuries back. Serves ‘em right. Which is why a lot of Xians are losing their minds right now. They practice a religion that they have zero connection with, that their ancestors were forced to accept, that doesn’t refer to the instruction guide any more and now we have in Uhmurkah a continuation toward Theocracy where these Xians have no problem forcing their religion on others and persecuting others for their beliefs, when the only reason there are so many of these Xians running around like cockatrices with their heads cut off in Uhmurkah is their ancestors came to the “New World” to escape religious persecution and intolerance in Europe. The Puritans didn’t apparently come to Uhmurkah to escape persecution so much as they were upset they weren’t the ones doing the persecuting themselves. Which is all proof that *G*O*D* loves irony and has the kind of sense of humor like that guy, y’know…the one in fifth grade who was the class clown and ate his own boogers and who would do anything you ask him to who is now in law enforcement…yeah, him.

    Having your own special, unique religion was all well and good when you were a small village or a city-state or a nation of a limited number of people as your ways and your gods were your own specific, ethnic, narrow interpretation of the unseen…but having a unique, opaque view of gods and symbols (same thing, essentially) and everything else that goes into trying to make sense of what science can’t make sense of in this day and age is patently silly and will soon be extinct.

    Once we all get to the point where we understand we are humans and those similarities outweigh the differences like race, gender and whether you say toe-may-to or tah-may-ter. Then we can start seeing much clearer what the human experience is all about and we won’t talk in terms of eastern vs western, good vs evil, Yahweh vs Satan, paper vs plastic, etc etc etc.

    Even today, in an era of globalization, picking and choosing which gods you want to hook your wagon to is like sampling the salad bar at Ruby Tuesday’s. Because chances are whatever religion you are now, it is not the religion of your ancestral people, so it is really of no value to you. It’s like trying to put a nine-volt battery in a vibrator that just takes AA’s…you can’t get no satisfaction.

    And that is why today, Xians who claim to really believe are just holding on to a political/cultural ideology that was grafted on to them while they totally blaspheme the god(s) (since Xianity is polytheistic) they claim to represent by trying to “take the Kingdom of Heaven by force” as Jesus warned us that they would.

    This message was brought to you by Ganesha. Who wants you to worship him. Or not. It’s okay, just have a nice day.

    Fiat lux.

  • Gregory

    What we’re talking about is organized religion of course, you could argue there is no organized religion among, say, the Australian aborigines, yet they clearly have an understanding along those lines. It’s so integrated into their life, they don’t think of it as such, and that’s how the world used to be way back.

    What we’re seeing now is the pending end, across the world, of the organized religions that replaced in most places, the aboriginal, ancestral, traditional ways of the people before this new religion came in. Which is why it is so funny for Xians in Uhmurkah to protest the influx of Islam, due to their fears of Islam spreading and wiping out Xianity…when Xianity did the same thing to these European descendants a few centuries back. Serves ‘em right. Which is why a lot of Xians are losing their minds right now. They practice a religion that they have zero connection with, that their ancestors were forced to accept, that doesn’t refer to the instruction guide any more and now we have in Uhmurkah a continuation toward Theocracy where these Xians have no problem forcing their religion on others and persecuting others for their beliefs, when the only reason there are so many of these Xians running around like cockatrices with their heads cut off in Uhmurkah is their ancestors came to the “New World” to escape religious persecution and intolerance in Europe. The Puritans didn’t apparently come to Uhmurkah to escape persecution so much as they were upset they weren’t the ones doing the persecuting themselves. Which is all proof that *G*O*D* loves irony and has the kind of sense of humor like that guy, y’know…the one in fifth grade who was the class clown and ate his own boogers and who would do anything you ask him to who is now in law enforcement…yeah, him.

    Having your own special, unique religion was all well and good when you were a small village or a city-state or a nation of a limited number of people as your ways and your gods were your own specific, ethnic, narrow interpretation of the unseen…but having a unique, opaque view of gods and symbols (same thing, essentially) and everything else that goes into trying to make sense of what science can’t make sense of in this day and age is patently silly and will soon be extinct.

    Once we all get to the point where we understand we are humans and those similarities outweigh the differences like race, gender and whether you say toe-may-to or tah-may-ter. Then we can start seeing much clearer what the human experience is all about and we won’t talk in terms of eastern vs western, good vs evil, Yahweh vs Satan, paper vs plastic, etc etc etc.

    Even today, in an era of globalization, picking and choosing which gods you want to hook your wagon to is like sampling the salad bar at Ruby Tuesday’s. Because chances are whatever religion you are now, it is not the religion of your ancestral people, so it is really of no value to you. It’s like trying to put a nine-volt battery in a vibrator that just takes AA’s…you can’t get no satisfaction.

    And that is why today, Xians who claim to really believe are just holding on to a political/cultural ideology that was grafted on to them while they totally blaspheme the god(s) (since Xianity is polytheistic) they claim to represent by trying to “take the Kingdom of Heaven by force” as Jesus warned us that they would.

    This message was brought to you by Ganesha. Who wants you to worship him. Or not. It’s okay, just have a nice day.

    Fiat lux.

    • Jason

      “What we’re seeing now is the pending end, across the world, of the organized religion….”

      You’re extrapolating WAY too much from these nine countries. There are a couple hundred others to look at, and they aren’t all going the same way. Whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing is another question.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

      Ruby Tuesday’s has a salad bar?

    • Holindahed

      let me guess.. lol.. you’re humanist. 

  • 5by5

    Wow, there’s a positive sign….

  • 5by5

    Wow, there’s a positive sign….

  • justagirl

    so cometh the Superman.

    <3

  • Jesusstolemyhubcaps

    I don’t know about the other countries but I loved in both Australia and New Zealand and they don’t celebrate Christmas. They celebrate “Boxing Day” which has nothing to do with Jesus dying for anyones sins or being resurrected three days later. Weird how that reminds me of the suns procession at that time of year…what a coinky dink!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_day

  • Chauvinist

    Amount of BJ’s received monthly, duh. That’s how how I define it!

  • Apathy

    Strange how the actual article does not infer anything about the well-being of the residents of those countries.

  • Apathy

    Strange how the actual article does not infer anything about the well-being of the residents of those countries.

  • Bwmmiller

    Look closely now! Christianity growing rapidly on communist China. Goddammit!

  • Bwmmiller

    Look closely now! Christianity growing rapidly on communist China. Goddammit!

  • Anonymous

    Because, of course, there isn’t one of the largest religions in the world that worship vishnu and ganesha. Oh wait, I forgot. Yes there is.

  • NorthernRapture

    Not true. The religious fanatics of third world nations are being imported to those nine nations ( and others) and they tend to have very large families “because God told them to”. We will be out-bred,just like the peaceful Neanderthals were.

  • NorthernRapture

    Not true. The religious fanatics of third world nations are being imported to those nine nations ( and others) and they tend to have very large families “because God told them to”. We will be out-bred,just like the peaceful Neanderthals were.

  • John

    Atheists! Suck My Willy!

  • Soundofthesage

    I live in Ireland and have seen no signs recently of religion becoming a thing of the past. With all the death and destruction caused in the name of religion over the last 500 years you would think that people would wise up and accept each other for who they are and not which church they attend. What really makes me laugh though is that both sides of the barricades are the same religion, Christians!! The differences in Catholacism and Protestism is minimal, so is religion the real problem or simply the excuse for violence? Then let us not forget about the cover ups by churchs when the people preaching to us about how to live life are getting away with abusing children!! Times are changing though because even a generation ago if a male member of a family had any doubts about his sexuality he was sent away to join the priesthood. Nowadays though people are more able to accept homosexuality and families no longer have to send them away to hide the dark secret. I think this plays a big part in why Priests are often reveiled as child abusers and nowadays the numbers of people entering the priesthood has dropped dramatically. Anyway even after all this let me just state that organized religion has been the biggest killer in the world’s history!!

  • Soundofthesage

    I live in Ireland and have seen no signs recently of religion becoming a thing of the past. With all the death and destruction caused in the name of religion over the last 500 years you would think that people would wise up and accept each other for who they are and not which church they attend. What really makes me laugh though is that both sides of the barricades are the same religion, Christians!! The differences in Catholacism and Protestism is minimal, so is religion the real problem or simply the excuse for violence? Then let us not forget about the cover ups by churchs when the people preaching to us about how to live life are getting away with abusing children!! Times are changing though because even a generation ago if a male member of a family had any doubts about his sexuality he was sent away to join the priesthood. Nowadays though people are more able to accept homosexuality and families no longer have to send them away to hide the dark secret. I think this plays a big part in why Priests are often reveiled as child abusers and nowadays the numbers of people entering the priesthood has dropped dramatically. Anyway even after all this let me just state that organized religion has been the biggest killer in the world’s history!!

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t odd that none of these countries have firebombed civilians lately? Ireland has a history, but back when they were hurling petrol, religion was the excuse. Another good list might be nations that have thrown off rule by corporations, The American colonies did that in 1776 but they didn’t put enough safeguards in place to stop reinfection.
    As for the comments about suicide, I don’t think religion enters into that, people suicide because they are suicidal, but no one seems to know just what that means. Taboo subject I guess.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t odd that none of these countries have firebombed civilians lately? Ireland has a history, but back when they were hurling petrol, religion was the excuse. Another good list might be nations that have thrown off rule by corporations, The American colonies did that in 1776 but they didn’t put enough safeguards in place to stop reinfection.
    As for the comments about suicide, I don’t think religion enters into that, people suicide because they are suicidal, but no one seems to know just what that means. Taboo subject I guess.

  • WoodGas1

    Isn’t odd that none of these countries have firebombed civilians lately? Ireland has a history, but back when they were hurling petrol, religion was the excuse. Another good list might be nations that have thrown off rule by corporations, The American colonies did that in 1776 but they didn’t put enough safeguards in place to stop reinfection.
    As for the comments about suicide, I don’t think religion enters into that, people suicide because they are suicidal, but no one seems to know just what that means. Taboo subject I guess.

  • grooveboss

    I agree that it is taboo and suicide should not be spoken about in the news, but this is disinformation, nothing is true and everything is permitted.

  • Mattman

    except god never said Nietzsche is dead, because god doesn’t exist.

  • Robot Alien

    I think someone is having you on…….hahaha

  • Antoniomorales915

    australia and new zealand do celebrate christmas
    christmas is to celebrate Jesus birth not to celebrate him dying for our sins

  • Antoniomorales915

    Canada 72% Christian
    Australia 64% Christian
    Finland 78% Christian
    Austria 76% Christian
    Ireland 86.6% Christian
    New Zealand 60% Christian
    Switzerland 82% Christian
    extinct yeah right

  • Antoniomorales915

    Canada 72% Christian
    Australia 64% Christian
    Finland 78% Christian
    Austria 76% Christian
    Ireland 86.6% Christian
    New Zealand 60% Christian
    Switzerland 82% Christian
    extinct yeah right

  • Antoniomorales915

    Canada 72% Christian
    Australia 64% Christian
    Finland 78% Christian
    Austria 76% Christian
    Ireland 86.6% Christian
    New Zealand 60% Christian
    Switzerland 82% Christian
    extinct yeah right

  • Antoniomorales915

    Canada 72% Christian
    Australia 64% Christian
    Finland 78% Christian
    Austria 76% Christian
    Ireland 86.6% Christian
    New Zealand 60% Christian
    Switzerland 82% Christian
    extinct yeah right

  • odjrsmitty

    Now we just need nations, politicians, and money to go extinct.

  • odjrsmitty

    Now we just need nations, politicians, and money to go extinct.

  • MLC

    A person would have to know everything there is to know in the universe to be absolutely sure that God doesn’t exist. Since no person has that knowledge, no one can honestly say with certainty that God isn’t real. Hence, atheism is an untenable position and the person who states unequivocally that God isn’t real is believing something he or she cannot prove which isn’t particularly reasonable even though they believe themselves to be the most reasonable of people.

    On the other hand, there are a number of rational, intelligent and valid evidences for the existence of God including cosmological, teleological, and axiological arguments. Check out pleaseconvinceme.com for more information.

  • http://www.newsblok.com newsblok.com

    “When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion.” – Robert M. Pirsig

    Very true.

    Newsblok – feeding headlines from 18 of the best alternative news sources to one simple page. Includes disinfo, abovetopsecret, counterpunch and many more

  • http://www.newsblok.com newsblok.com

    “When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion.” – Robert M. Pirsig

    Very true.

    Newsblok – feeding headlines from 18 of the best alternative news sources to one simple page. Includes disinfo, abovetopsecret, counterpunch and many more

  • Joanarbil

    so true

  • Errex

    brb new zealand

  • Errex

    brb new zealand

  • Potricio

    ¿Irlanda?. No se lo creen ni ellos. Que tontería de noticia.

  • Potricio

    ¿Irlanda?. No se lo creen ni ellos. Que tontería de noticia.

  • http://www.facebook.com/m.k.winemiller Megan Winemiller

    Biblical son of a fictional deity.

    It kills me that religious people can’t ever get that fact straight, it seems.

    I mean, by worshiping Jesus instead of ‘God’, wouldn’t that be considered worshiping a false idol or something along those lines?

    I don’t really know, nor do I really care; it’s just that it’s always confused me so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/m.k.winemiller Megan Winemiller

    Biblical son of a fictional deity.

    It kills me that religious people can’t ever get that fact straight, it seems.

    I mean, by worshiping Jesus instead of ‘God’, wouldn’t that be considered worshiping a false idol or something along those lines?

    I don’t really know, nor do I really care; it’s just that it’s always confused me so.

  • BibleBeltAtheist

    I have been religion free since I was 13, and am now 62. Problem is, everybody in the USA is exposed to & effected by religious, dogmatic, crap just like side stream tobacco smoke. And just like nicotine addicts, religion has people harnessed to their insidious “habit” like a draft animal with blinders on with it’s nose & mouth in the feed bag gobbling up horse shit.

    • Labpup223

      what you don’t understand is that is that God doesn’t want us to be “religious”. He only wants a relationship with us. Jesus/God never set foot in a church and spent his life helping those who were dying, poor, training others to help the hurting souls of this earth. I am sad that you have such a convoluted image of Jesus/God. You obviously never have understood who God really is. Hopefully you will decide to seek who God is and not what others have told you he is, because you obviously haven’t done this on your own.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

        i guess i missed that convo with god– glad you didn’t

        you hear a lot of voices in your head?

  • BibleBeltAtheist

    I have been religion free since I was 13, and am now 62. Problem is, everybody in the USA is exposed to & effected by religious, dogmatic, crap just like side stream tobacco smoke. And just like nicotine addicts, religion has people harnessed to their insidious “habit” like a draft animal with blinders on with it’s nose & mouth in the feed bag gobbling up horse shit.

  • Felis

    Just to clarify (or possibly confuse further) – when Christinans talk about God, they often refer to the three “faces”; that’s where all that “the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”-talk comes in. My interpretation is that they should all be seen as three sides to the same coin (or pyramid, I guess) but essentially the same being. Kind of nifty device since it lets you get around both the polytheistic vibes and the false idol stuff. Then again, there’s definitiely a dissonace when you’re referring to Jesus as the son of God but I guess organized religion never has been big on continuity.

  • Felis

    There doesn’t have to be any correlation between “active” spirituality/religion and the celebration of religious holidays. Our religious history has been well enough integrated into our culture and values to survive without any actual belief in any kind of deity. I’ll bet that a lot of people who celebrate Christmas religiously (pun most def intended) could care less about the Jesus side of it. I for one enjoy Christmas and even go to mass every year – that doesn’t make me less of an atheist, it just means I’m interested in my own history and happen to like nice stories about camels, men in beards and babies being born. Celebrating traditional holidays does not mean you actually believe in a higher power.

  • Godsfriend

    Correction: For man to define God is to dwarf the true idea of God itself . . . Basic Ideas of Occult Wisdom . . . Michael the “man” has his physical reality to experience . . . judge and ponder . . . he will grow old and die doing so because he believes in time . . The New Man knows he “projects” this reality you refer to as “physical” . . . . creating it from the “inside” to the “outside” . . . and experiences it in the “now” . . . no place called future . . . no place called “past” . . only “now” . . . no time/ illusion . . . I love God . . I love Nietzsche . . . I love . ……. I am . . . . . now

  • Godsfriend

    Doesn’t exist for you “Mattman” . . . . you prefer to cling to the opinion you have , to make everything as easy as possible for yourself. . Enjoy ‘time’ Mattman . . . God doesn’t know ‘time’ . . . and God hasn’t been introduced to Mattman so God doesn’t know Mattman . . . perfection . . . perfection . . love is . . I am . . now . . . I am eternal . . . I am in joy . . .

  • Ma’at

    ’bout damned time.

    Mankind has lived in this fantasy world long enough.

  • Ma’at

    ’bout damned time.

    Mankind has lived in this fantasy world long enough.

  • Guest

    In some countries, suicide is a crime. Therefore, a person would forfeit all of their assets to the state, or a good portion. If the person had kids, or wanted to leave something to someone, then they could not. That and the extra stigma attached to families with a suicide. Freer countries don’t necessarily have the same social mores and legal statutes that would make suicide even more painful.

  • http://www.inzencareerservices.be Horeca Jobs

    What about Belgium ……. ??

  • DrinkyMcGee

    I’m not encouraged. There are a substantial number of people who replace their belief in an organized religion with a belief in vast conspiracy theories or aliens or trolls or whatever. It’s like there’s a bucket in the human mind specifically meant to be filled with bullshit. People free of religion are still people, and history teaches us that people kind of suck.

  • DrinkyMcGee

    I’m not encouraged. There are a substantial number of people who replace their belief in an organized religion with a belief in vast conspiracy theories or aliens or trolls or whatever. It’s like there’s a bucket in the human mind specifically meant to be filled with bullshit. People free of religion are still people, and history teaches us that people kind of suck.

  • Wiicamper

    And here I thought christmas was to celebrate materialism. I dont know many people anymore that celebrate some imaginary timeless sky man who fathered himself to die to absolve sin that was placed on man by him.

    Everyone I know celebrates christmas by celebrating friends and family, not Jesus

  • Lonnieblakley

    Hay can I have some of whatever your smoking?

  • http://twitter.com/Cretaceous_one Ambulo cetus

    “on almost every measure of societal health, the least religious countries are
    better off than the most religious. Countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the
    Netherlands—which are the most atheistic societies on earth—consistently rate better than religious nations on measures like life expectancy, infant mortality, crime, literacy,
    GDP, child welfare, economic equality, economic competitiveness, gender equality,
    health care, investments in education, rates of university enrollment, internet access,
    environmental protection, lack of corruption, political stability, and charity to poorer
    nations, etc.”

    The Moral Landscape – Sam Harris

  • Anonymous

    God is a Vagina, hence “Jesus remember me when I come into your kingdom”

  • Jason

    “What we’re seeing now is the pending end, across the world, of the organized religion….”

    You’re extrapolating WAY too much from these nine countries. There are a couple hundred others to look at, and they aren’t all going the same way. Whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing is another question.

  • Jack

    Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Man is nothing but solidfied energy or frozen energy. Man cannot be created or destroyed. When man dies, solidfied energy or frozen energy becomes active energy in the air, in the dirt or stored in animals’ body. God is irrelevant or unnecessary in this process.

  • Jack

    Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Man is nothing but solidfied energy or frozen energy. Man cannot be created or destroyed. When man dies, solidfied energy or frozen energy becomes active energy in the air, in the dirt or stored in animals’ body. God is irrelevant or unnecessary in this process.

  • http://twitter.com/audiotruther Audio Truther

    The end of Religion, well Amen to that > It’s all good I interviewed Yahweh aka the reincarnated Jesus yes he’s alieve and well on Earth he ain’t coming down on a white horse , and he said the End of Evil is in 2012 , but we all have to do our part to fight against the corruption. anyways as you can understand he has a lot to say about whats going on , listen below , and decide for yourself.
    http://fightthe.podomatic.com/entry/2011-02-08T22_20_10-08_00

  • http://twitter.com/audiotruther Audio Truther

    The end of Religion, well Amen to that > It’s all good I interviewed Yahweh aka the reincarnated Jesus yes he’s alieve and well on Earth he ain’t coming down on a white horse , and he said the End of Evil is in 2012 , but we all have to do our part to fight against the corruption. anyways as you can understand he has a lot to say about whats going on , listen below , and decide for yourself.
    http://fightthe.podomatic.com/entry/2011-02-08T22_20_10-08_00

  • Ingrum

    Irelands kind of hard to believe given how the catholics and protestants were fighting over who was right about 40ish years ago..im not saying its not very different now but i’d have thought that war would of thrown the scales off just a bit

  • Ingrum

    Irelands kind of hard to believe given how the catholics and protestants were fighting over who was right about 40ish years ago..im not saying its not very different now but i’d have thought that war would of thrown the scales off just a bit

  • Xxlmax

    Austria’s #3

  • Miri

    The thing is who made religion God or us? With the opinion that God does exist he’s not been on earth for the past 2000 years therefore we’ve made what religion it is today.

  • Miri

    The thing is who made religion God or us? With the opinion that God does exist he’s not been on earth for the past 2000 years therefore we’ve made what religion it is today.

  • Zack

    I’m Australian and I’m really not sure where they get the idea that Australia is religion-free. There are churches scattered about. The pope came by a few years ago. Mosques are starting to pop up. Heck, take a walk around and you’ll find a few religious ‘salesmen’.

  • Zack

    I’m Australian and I’m really not sure where they get the idea that Australia is religion-free. There are churches scattered about. The pope came by a few years ago. Mosques are starting to pop up. Heck, take a walk around and you’ll find a few religious ‘salesmen’.

  • Bob

    Yeah … there is hope after a long dark tunnel!!

  • Bob

    Yeah … there is hope after a long dark tunnel!!

  • RStarr

    Its just taking its true for as politcal parties

  • RStarr

    Its just taking its true for as politcal parties

  • RStarr

    Its just taking its true for as politcal parties

  • Agnostic

    man made religion. duh. anything that is completely effed up was made by man.

  • Agnostic

    man made religion. duh. anything that is completely effed up was made by man.

  • Madpoet0

    HFS,
    death by disinterest.
    ISN
    666

  • Madpoet0

    HFS,
    death by disinterest.
    ISN
    666

  • Labpup223

    what you don’t understand is that is that God doesn’t want us to be “religious”. He only wants a relationship with us. Jesus/God never set foot in a church and spent his life helping those who were dying, poor, training others to help the hurting souls of this earth. I am sad that you have such a convoluted image of Jesus/God. You obviously never have understood who God really is. Hopefully you will decide to seek who God is and not what others have told you he is, because you obviously haven’t done this on your own.

  • John

    You like to blow goat penis don’t you?

  • John

    YOUR a vagina! A whores vagina!

  • Munchy

    You talk silly

  • Munchy

    You talk silly

  • http://www.facebook.com/GTBurns Gary Burnaska

    The only church that is any worth being a part of is the Church of the Subgenius, because they offer Eternal Salvation or Triple your money back.

  • http://www.facebook.com/GTBurns Gary Burnaska

    The only church that is any worth being a part of is the Church of the Subgenius, because they offer Eternal Salvation or Triple your money back.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

    Ruby Tuesday’s has a salad bar?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

    “Heathen Ledger is dead”– laws of nature, time, whatever … ?
    just sayin’ champ
    ;-)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

    don’t bogart — hit it and quit it yo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

    so god is NOT omniscient?
    i mean, if he needs a formal introduction to one of his creatures … ?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

    i’m still thinking either Canada or Costa Rica– although if their economy stabilizes after telling the UK to stuff their $4Bn demand, i’d head there– the wimmin are hawt!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

    i guess i missed that convo with god– glad you didn’t

    you hear a lot of voices in your head?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

    pyramid has four sides …
    just sayin’

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

    shhh– don’t let facts interfere with his delusion …

    or her– don’t mean to be sexist.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XFMMVBQQFHSWBLHZR5T74P564E memries

    isn’t christmas just a revisionism of pagan solstice celebrations? wasn’t historical jesus born in April– or was it May?
    maybe November … ?
    then there’s the whole vernal equinox Eostre thingy …
    and Zoroaster/ Mithra parallels, no?
    read your Joseph Campbell peoples.
    might as well invest yourself in the Star Wars mythos.

  • Manwhocouldfly

    I think that spirituality is hugely important to the happiness of an individual. It’s not like the western world has done such a great job since it institutionalized science in the place of religion. . .

    . . .basically, the bottom line is that the default state for people tends to be ‘happy,’ but the default state for a domesticated human being who is in many ways subservient to the systems his / her society imposed upon them is ‘unhappy’

    People who get rid of religion in order to worship the uber-rational science don’t really fare any better than religious goons when it comes to realizing themselves an achieving self respect, confidence, control, and happiness.

    Either way, they are both myths. Science is as much of a myth as religion is- it just explains itself a helluva lot better than religion does in the material world that we live in.

    I’m wary of anybody or anything that externalizes perfection or ideals. . .

  • Manwhocouldfly

    I think that spirituality is hugely important to the happiness of an individual. It’s not like the western world has done such a great job since it institutionalized science in the place of religion. . .

    . . .basically, the bottom line is that the default state for people tends to be ‘happy,’ but the default state for a domesticated human being who is in many ways subservient to the systems his / her society imposed upon them is ‘unhappy’

    People who get rid of religion in order to worship the uber-rational science don’t really fare any better than religious goons when it comes to realizing themselves an achieving self respect, confidence, control, and happiness.

    Either way, they are both myths. Science is as much of a myth as religion is- it just explains itself a helluva lot better than religion does in the material world that we live in.

    I’m wary of anybody or anything that externalizes perfection or ideals. . .

  • Manwhocouldfly

    I think that spirituality is hugely important to the happiness of an individual. It’s not like the western world has done such a great job since it institutionalized science in the place of religion. . .

    . . .basically, the bottom line is that the default state for people tends to be ‘happy,’ but the default state for a domesticated human being who is in many ways subservient to the systems his / her society imposed upon them is ‘unhappy’

    People who get rid of religion in order to worship the uber-rational science don’t really fare any better than religious goons when it comes to realizing themselves an achieving self respect, confidence, control, and happiness.

    Either way, they are both myths. Science is as much of a myth as religion is- it just explains itself a helluva lot better than religion does in the material world that we live in.

    I’m wary of anybody or anything that externalizes perfection or ideals. . .

  • Gayman

    Aw whats the matter are we telling you not to suck dick for crack?

  • Holindahed

    let me guess.. lol.. you’re humanist. 

  • Faux_box

    Once could just hope it disappears altogether……

  • Faux_box

    Once could just hope it disappears altogether……

  • Faux_box

    Once could just hope it disappears altogether……

  • Anonymous

    Communism is a religion. Socialism is a religion. Environmentalism is a religion. Democracy, Capitalism, Protectionism, Free Trade, Racism, Anti-Racism, The Big Bang. Etc. All are beliefs which propagate through groups. All requite adherents to take most of their tenents on faith, as no one person can test every assumption rigorously. At best, we test a few and assume the rest are correct. Most people defend these beliefs irrationally in the face of evidence to the contrary. Most people keep their unorthodox doubts concealed in order to get along with larger groups of believers.

    “Religion” isn’t dying out. It’s fragmenting, and the fragments overlap. We all subscribe to multiple religions every day.  The belief in God/Gods is just one of these beliefs that addresses a specific set of human spiritual needs. Some of the organizations that provide these answers may fall, but the needs (and those that service them) will live on. Because there are limits to what science (which has it’s own religious dogmas) can explain.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJDYM3LJESC7S37MAB5IVANPGM DGhF71dIfISIAp E4AP3

    I think it is not show as you write.  Religion is the faith which never be extinct.
    http://couponjet.org/vistaprint-coupons-vista-print-coupon-code.htm

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZXOIGRMLD5QRRBUVDT5L43Y4XE K5MTUOEb Cy5gx3z5jO2jsqs

    It the bad for the human beings, because religion  is faith. If there is no religion therefor there is no faith.

    http://jabberwabble.ning.com/profiles/blogs/importance-of-business

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZXOIGRMLD5QRRBUVDT5L43Y4XE K5MTUOEb Cy5gx3z5jO2jsqs

    It the bad for the human beings, because religion  is faith. If there is no religion therefor there is no faith.

    http://jabberwabble.ning.com/profiles/blogs/importance-of-business

  • Anonymous

     Basically Religion has been respect in the Nine Nation and should be respect every religion.
    http://goarticles.com/article/Boost-Your-Muscular-Power/4940998/

  • Dorianosmith

     Basically Religion has been respect in the Nine Nation and should be respect every religion.
    http://goarticles.com/article/Boost-Your-Muscular-Power/4940998/

  • Anonymous

     Basically every country may be approves religion  extinct  in nine nation.
    http://evorapetsite.com

  • Renardsmith

    yes religion is respect in somewhere .every religion should be   respect  in every country.
    http://forum.udnr.org/showthread.php?928-Never-miss-this-guide-when-shopping.&p=5412&viewfull=1#post5412

  • Anonymous

    yes religion is respect in somewhere .every religion should be   respect  in every country.
    http://forum.udnr.org/showthread.php?928-Never-miss-this-guide-when-shopping.&p=5412&viewfull=1#post5412

  • Enigman69

    Here’s the thing. The anti-religionists, atheists, hate any religion. But they can’t prove that God does not exist so they have to belittle God to the rest of us. And when that fails, they then belittle us. So just what is it about God that scares the hell out of them anyway?

  • desa

    I’ve met religious Christians from most of these countries.  No doubt there are plenty of Jews, Muslims, and other religions too.

  • desa

    I’ve met religious Christians from most of these countries.  No doubt there are plenty of Jews, Muslims, and other religions too.

  • Anonymous

    Basically every religion should be respect in the nine nation .firstly everyone have been the right to expression and feeling to other person.
    http://www.flixya.com/blog/3133358/Vista-Print-Appointment-Cards-A-Quality-Reliable-Deal
     

  • grooveboss

    I agree that it is taboo and suicide should not be spoken about in the news, but this is disinformation, nothing is true and everything is permitted.

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