Low-Budget Movie Companies Using BitTorrent Lawsuits As Business Strategy

Nude Nuns With Big GunsDavid Kravets writes in Wired:

On March 7, Camelot Distribution Group, an obscure film company in Los Angeles, unveiled its latest and potentially most profitable release: a federal lawsuit against BitTorrent users who allegedly downloaded the company’s 2010 B-movie revenge flick Nude Nuns With Big Guns between January and March of this year. The single lawsuit targets 5,865 downloaders, making it theoretically worth as much as $879,750,000 — more money than the U.S. box-office gross for Avatar.

At the moment, the targets of the litigation are unknown, even to Camelot. The mass lawsuit lists the internet IP addresses of the downloaders (.pdf), and asks a federal judge to order ISPs around the country to dig into their records for each customer’s name.

It’s the first step in a process that could lead to each defendant getting a personalized letter in the mail from Camelot’s attorneys suggesting they settle the case, lest they wind up named in a public lawsuit as having downloaded Nude Nuns With Big Guns.

A hearing on that request is set for April 13. In all probability none of the alleged downloaders know it’s happening.

Welcome to the future of Hollywood, or at least the less glittery outskirts of Tinsel Town that produce art films, exploitation flicks and porn. Over the past year, small-budget film producers have nearly perfected a slick, courtroom-based business strategy that’s targeted more than 130,000 suspected movie downloaders.

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  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    I think this is a good thing in a really roundabout way:
    People can realize how absurd these lawsuits really are. I hope there is some outcry if they even get a fraction of that 9 digit number.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    I think this is a good thing in a really roundabout way:
    People can realize how absurd these lawsuits really are. I hope there is some outcry if they even get a fraction of that 9 digit number.

  • $927230

    I download all kinds of stuff.

  • Anonymous

    I download all kinds of stuff.

  • Paul Panza (who are you)

    In the communistic world of torrent there is no private property – the real new world order.

    • Simiantongue

      Torrents are a communist conspiracy to undermine private property? Wow, I’ve seen some really insane things said on here and that is definitely in the top ten.

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      Or maybe torrents are the obvious result and consequence of giving general people the right to produce in the digital age. The only way to end torrents is to end the “personal” computer. macintosh is the prototype for this, keeping people in a locked in system such that they feel like they have to be spoon-fed everything in a pre-packaged manner. Why do you think the newest and most popular macintosh products are being more locked down, but its shinier and has more bells and whistles. Its the equivalent of a movie called “big big explosions” with no real story and tons of things that make the lowest common denominator get excited.

      Torrents are the spit in the face of those that monetize on digital culture. It is the glaring elephant in the room that information can be copied at will in hours to minutes to seconds of time, even if it took a million man hours to design this stream of data, be it an executable program, a game, a movie, or a song track. The torrent is the black hole that was opened up in attempts to simplify the world with digital technology. This black hole must either be sealed up or it will consume the current world and replace it with something completely different (and no.. its not communism, stop using whitewash words for something unknown to Everyone).

      Which side am I on? Neither, I just want to watch the show.

  • Paul Panza (who are you)

    In the communistic world of torrent there is no private property – the real new world order.

  • Simiantongue

    Torrents are a communist conspiracy to undermine private property? Wow, I’ve seen some really insane things said on here and that is definitely in the top ten.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Or maybe torrents are the obvious result and consequence of giving general people the right to produce in the digital age. The only way to end torrents is to end the “personal” computer. macintosh is the prototype for this, keeping people in a locked in system such that they feel like they have to be spoon-fed everything in a pre-packaged manner. Why do you think the newest and most popular macintosh products are being more locked down, but its shinier and has more bells and whistles. Its the equivalent of a movie called “big big explosions” with no real story and tons of things that make the lowest common denominator get excited.

    Torrents are the spit in the face of those that monetize on digital culture. It is the glaring elephant in the room that information can be copied at will in hours to minutes to seconds of time, even if it took a million man hours to design this stream of data, be it an executable program, a game, a movie, or a song track. The torrent is the black hole that was opened up in attempts to simplify the world with digital technology. This black hole must either be sealed up or it will consume the current world and replace it with something completely different (and no.. its not communism, stop using whitewash words for something unknown to Everyone).

    Which side am I on? Neither, I just want to watch the show.

  • Marklar_Prime

    Of course the only way that these IPs can be collected is for the original copyright owner to seed the file(s) online which means they are all legal downloads. They have chosen to distribute their crappy film via P2P and therefore have no standing whatsoever.

    • 5by5

      :ALW: “Not a snowballs chance in he’ll this will work. Even the record industry gave up prosecuting individual users who download music ‘illegally’….”

      You know who it’ll work with? That one judge who’s allowing these frivolous lawsuits to proceed, who used to be a lobbyist for the recording industry.

      And you thought the revolving door between politicians and corporate hackery was bad — it’s 10 times worse when it’s corporate pigs sliding into a a judge’s chair.

      Now a responsible man would recuse himself from the case, but if he was responsible, he wouldn’t have been lobbying against people’s fair use rights on behalf of the real thieves in the recording industry in the first place.

      Anyways, if I was someone going into a trial with that guy on the bench, his very presence would be grounds for my appeal.

  • http://twitter.com/Marklar_Prime Marklar Kronkite

    Of course the only way that these IPs can be collected is for the original copyright owner to seed the file(s) online which means they are all legal downloads. They have chosen to distribute their crappy film via P2P and therefore have no standing whatsoever.

  • :ALW

    Not a snowballs chance in he’ll this will work. Even the record industry gave up prosecuting individual users who download music ‘illegally’ this is just a marketing ploy to gain attention for their company. Boo on them.

  • :ALW

    Not a snowballs chance in he’ll this will work. Even the record industry gave up prosecuting individual users who download music ‘illegally’ this is just a marketing ploy to gain attention for their company. Boo on them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IEM2NDM6HHUUSE263ZKI3P5E7M encrypted

    seems benign compared to that law firm that trolls for copyright infringement in blogs and then buys the underlying copyright and takes legal action.

    A second part of this strategy should involve a bot net that takes over computers in wealth zip codes and then illegally violates copyright laws.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IEM2NDM6HHUUSE263ZKI3P5E7M encrypted

    seems benign compared to that law firm that trolls for copyright infringement in blogs and then buys the underlying copyright and takes legal action.

    A second part of this strategy should involve a bot net that takes over computers in wealth zip codes and then illegally violates copyright laws.

  • http://profiles.google.com/cattusnero Jason Slupski

    900 million dollar lawsuit for a sad flick that would have a hard time making 9 THOUSAND DOLLARS at the theatres!

    Only in AmeriKKKa! BURN HOLLYWOOD, BURN!!

  • Jason Slupski

    900 million dollar lawsuit for a sad flick that would have a hard time making 9 THOUSAND DOLLARS at the theatres!

    Only in AmeriKKKa! BURN HOLLYWOOD, BURN!!

  • Matzerath

    Any actual court case is dubious, of course. What they want is naive individuals to settle out of court. The old ‘scary letter’ or ‘scary phone-call’ ruse.

  • Matzerath

    Any actual court case is dubious, of course. What they want is naive individuals to settle out of court. The old ‘scary letter’ or ‘scary phone-call’ ruse.

  • AndyUK

    … $150,000 per downloader? I don’t think so!

  • AndyUK

    … $150,000 per downloader? I don’t think so!

  • Warner Brown

    Looks like a stupid movie and probably a failure. We should sue them for being bad filmmakers screwing their fans over. They’re lucky they got that many downloads

  • Warner Brown

    Looks like a stupid movie and probably a failure. We should sue them for being bad filmmakers screwing their fans over. They’re lucky they got that many downloads

  • Anonymous

    “Nude Nuns With Big Guns” -well thats just fuckin-A-awsome…

  • GoodDoktorBad

    “Nude Nuns With Big Guns” -well thats just fuckin-A-awsome…

  • Anonymous

    It is the elephant in the room clear that the information can be copied at will from hours to minutes to seconds of time, even if it took a million man-hours to design this data flow, either an executable program, a game , film

    self catering cottages

  • 5by5

    :ALW: “Not a snowballs chance in he’ll this will work. Even the record industry gave up prosecuting individual users who download music ‘illegally’….”

    You know who it’ll work with? That one judge who’s allowing these frivolous lawsuits to proceed, who used to be a lobbyist for the recording industry.

    And you thought the revolving door between politicians and corporate hackery was bad — it’s 10 times worse when it’s corporate pigs sliding into a a judge’s chair.

    Now a responsible man would recuse himself from the case, but if he was responsible, he wouldn’t have been lobbying against people’s fair use rights on behalf of the real thieves in the recording industry in the first place.

    Anyways, if I was someone going into a trial with that guy on the bench, his very presence would be grounds for my appeal.

  • Smashandgrabprod

    How about everyone start realizing that all your illegal downloading and online theft is HURTING ordinary people just like you on an incredible level.

    Stop with your ‘We’re sticking it to the man, rah rah rah!” shouts and your misguided belief that you’re kicking corporate America in the balls with your theft. Most of the time you’re kicking the guy sitting next to you on the subway, or the dude you’re having a beer with. Stop telling yourselves that you’re not doing anything wrong and that your actions don’t have severe and brutal consequences.

    The people being affected most by piracy are those just like YOU. We’re the film editors, the assistant producers, the sound engineers, the cameramen, the article writers, the stagehands, the grips, the laborers. We’re the ones getting pink slipped from work and sent home WITHOUT A JOB ANYMORE because you guys want, want, want, but don’t want to pay anything for all the blood, sweat and tears that other people put into entertaining you.

    Do you have any idea how long and hard a road it is to make an album or a movie??? You think its FUN or EASY? You think we don’t pull 11-16 hour work days while trying to raise our children and be there for our spouses and pay our rent, bills and groceries?

    You’re going to argue about the being a misuse of the judicial system? What about your MISUSE OF THE INTERNET??? Oh, I forgot. No one likes to talk about themselves being implicated in injuring people. We’ll just turn a blind eye to that and point the finger at someone else.

  • Smashandgrabprod

    How about everyone start realizing that all your illegal downloading and online theft is HURTING ordinary people just like you on an incredible level.

    Stop with your ‘We’re sticking it to the man, rah rah rah!” shouts and your misguided belief that you’re kicking corporate America in the balls with your theft. Most of the time you’re kicking the guy sitting next to you on the subway, or the dude you’re having a beer with. Stop telling yourselves that you’re not doing anything wrong and that your actions don’t have severe and brutal consequences.

    The people being affected most by piracy are those just like YOU. We’re the film editors, the assistant producers, the sound engineers, the cameramen, the article writers, the stagehands, the grips, the laborers. We’re the ones getting pink slipped from work and sent home WITHOUT A JOB ANYMORE because you guys want, want, want, but don’t want to pay anything for all the blood, sweat and tears that other people put into entertaining you.

    Do you have any idea how long and hard a road it is to make an album or a movie??? You think its FUN or EASY? You think we don’t pull 11-16 hour work days while trying to raise our children and be there for our spouses and pay our rent, bills and groceries?

    You’re going to argue about the being a misuse of the judicial system? What about your MISUSE OF THE INTERNET??? Oh, I forgot. No one likes to talk about themselves being implicated in injuring people. We’ll just turn a blind eye to that and point the finger at someone else.

  • Anonymous

    This, fellas, is why we sign up for “Jury Duty”…

    Time to NULLIFY stuff. No need to make an issue, just nullify stuff you don’t like. They’ll stop suing if they can’t get $ out of it.

    And, IMO, this trash movie deliberately uploaded itself to get $ in a scheme. IMO, that should be “Entrapment”. No, I’ve never downloaded, watched, etc. the movie. IMO again, looks so awful they deserve to be punished for making it…

  • greengestalt

    This, fellas, is why we sign up for “Jury Duty”…

    Time to NULLIFY stuff. No need to make an issue, just nullify stuff you don’t like. They’ll stop suing if they can’t get $ out of it.

    And, IMO, this trash movie deliberately uploaded itself to get $ in a scheme. IMO, that should be “Entrapment”. No, I’ve never downloaded, watched, etc. the movie. IMO again, looks so awful they deserve to be punished for making it…

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