More Americans Work For the Government Than In Manufacturing, Farming, Fishing, Forestry, Mining & Utilities Combined

Charlie Chaplin in 'Modern Times'Stephen Moore writes in the Wall Street Journal:

If you want to understand better why so many states — from New York to Wisconsin to California — are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, consider this depressing statistic: Today in America there are nearly twice as many people working for the government (22.5 million) than in all of manufacturing (11.5 million). This is an almost exact reversal of the situation in 1960, when there were 15 million workers in manufacturing and 8.7 million collecting a paycheck from the government.

It gets worse. More Americans work for the government than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined. We have moved decisively from a nation of makers to a nation of takers. Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees. Is it any wonder that so many states and cities cannot pay their bills?

Every state in America today except for two — Indiana and Wisconsin — has more government workers on the payroll than people manufacturing industrial goods. Consider California, which has the highest budget deficit in the history of the states. The not-so Golden State now has an incredible 2.4 million government employees — twice as many as people at work in manufacturing. New Jersey has just under two-and-a-half as many government employees as manufacturers. Florida’s ratio is more than 3 to 1. So is New York’s.

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  • Honu

    Boy Stephen Moore sure makes the government jobs is socialism meme a scary one doesn’t he? Stacking stat on stat of all the terrible states that have more government jobs than manufacturing jobs. By gum what has this country come to?!

    Funny how he never mentions the sheer volume of outsourcing of jobs by corporations to other countries in search of cheap labor. Wonder why that doesn’t get mentioned as an unbelievably relevant fact. I’m not for bigger government but with no one else hiring in large numbers, I’m not gonna begrudge someone for having a government job. Don’t talk to me about the travesty of big government and government jobs without telling me how to incentivize businesses to hire American workers. That article is a bunch of bullsh-t.

  • Honu

    Boy Stephen Moore sure makes the government jobs is socialism meme a scary one doesn’t he? Stacking stat on stat of all the terrible states that have more government jobs than manufacturing jobs. By gum what has this country come to?!

    Funny how he never mentions the sheer volume of outsourcing of jobs by corporations to other countries in search of cheap labor. Wonder why that doesn’t get mentioned as an unbelievably relevant fact. I’m not for bigger government but with no one else hiring in large numbers, I’m not gonna begrudge someone for having a government job. Don’t talk to me about the travesty of big government and government jobs without telling me how to incentivize businesses to hire American workers. That article is a bunch of bullsh-t.

    • Mamagriff50

      Honu……….Good point. It’s time we started penalizing companies for out-sourcing jobs. Instead of giving them tax breaks.

      • Ironaddict06

        No, that’s not the answer either. The answer is to demolish the IRS and the current tax system, and install a new national sales tax. Say there is a %20 tax on all goods except FOOD, MEDICINE, and BABY NEEDS. Everyone would end up paying taxes into the system from the Elite to the Illegals. As the population grows there will be more business transactions. This will encourage business to grow.
        If you start penalizing companies, many will say F-U-i’ll make money some where else. Honestly, if you owned a company that could make product X at 75% off or more and the quality just as good you wouldn’t do it? You would have to be a fool not to.

        • razzlebathbone

          Sales taxes are regressive because the rich make lousy consumers.
          Try something less plutocratic.

          • E.B. Wolf

            Clearly you have never been to Beverly Hills, South Beach, or Manhattan.

    • E.B. Wolf

      That’s simple, tear up all these “free trade” agreements enacted under Clinton, Bush II, and Obama. Make sure it doesn’t pay for companies to export their manufacturing and tech support jobs. But any politician who seriously suggests it won;t have much luck with their next fundraising effort.

  • Mamagriff50

    Honu……….Good point. It’s time we started penalizing companies for out-sourcing jobs. Instead of giving them tax breaks.

  • Beltonaki

    Ahh.. fat government, not good. Not good at all. Reminds me of the broken window parable.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

  • Beltonaki

    Ahh.. fat government, not good. Not good at all. Reminds me of the broken window parable.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

  • E.B. Wolf

    That’s simple, tear up all these “free trade” agreements enacted under Clinton, Bush II, and Obama. Make sure it doesn’t pay for companies to export their manufacturing and tech support jobs. But any politician who seriously suggests it won;t have much luck with their next fundraising effort.

  • Ironaddict06

    No, that’s not the answer either. The answer is to demolish the IRS and the current tax system, and install a new national sales tax. Say there is a %20 tax on all goods except FOOD, MEDICINE, and BABY NEEDS. Everyone would end up paying taxes into the system from the Elite to the Illegals. As the population grows there will be more business transactions. This will encourage business to grow.
    If you start penalizing companies, many will say F-U-i’ll make money some where else. Honestly, if you owned a company that could make product X at 75% off or more and the quality just as good you wouldn’t do it? You would have to be a fool not to.

  • Anonymous

    The stupid it burns.
    US population 1960 179,323,175.
    US population 2011 307,006,550
    a 71% increase now take out the Republican Department of Homeland Security et al and where do you end up.
    Next the damage caused by the US created WTO World Trade Organisation and the right wing desire to cripple workers rights by allowing imported products to enter the country that do not adhere to the same reasonable cost forced upon locally produced product by legislations and regulation but those crap products along with a veritable flood of bullshit advertising do allow for grossly inflated profit margins.
    You can easily export manufacturing jobs but it is difficult to export government jobs but hey wait the Republicans are going solve that by not bid out sourcing to Halliburton a Dubai company. How many other Republican politicians loved practically adored off shore outsourcing and it’s ability to cripple unions and workers rights.
    Of course do not expect the Wall Street Journal a Fox not-News rag, to point out reality and of course who fucked it all up, not government workers but corporations and the insanely rich and greedy.

  • Anonymous

    The stupid it burns.
    US population 1960 179,323,175.
    US population 2011 307,006,550
    a 71% increase now take out the Republican Department of Homeland Security et al and where do you end up.
    Next the damage caused by the US created WTO World Trade Organisation and the right wing desire to cripple workers rights by allowing imported products to enter the country that do not adhere to the same reasonable cost forced upon locally produced product by legislations and regulation but those crap products along with a veritable flood of bullshit advertising do allow for grossly inflated profit margins.
    You can easily export manufacturing jobs but it is difficult to export government jobs but hey wait the Republicans are going solve that by not bid out sourcing to Halliburton a Dubai company. How many other Republican politicians loved practically adored off shore outsourcing and it’s ability to cripple unions and workers rights.
    Of course do not expect the Wall Street Journal a Fox not-News rag, to point out reality and of course who fucked it all up, not government workers but corporations and the insanely rich and greedy.

  • Ironaddict06

    Yea, this should be scary. I don’t fault individuals for taking a government job. The fault is at the U.S. gov’t tax system. Private workers in America should be mad, because they are the ones supporting these systems. Also look at many of these government workers-they work for the gov’t because they would not make it in the real world. Look at the TSA agents. REALLY? These people are supposed to be highly trained and professional security agents? They are glorified night security gurads. The department of homeland security-This is Americas SS. Know I understand how Germany’s SS became so powerfull. These people that work/worked for the SS were ir-revelent before the creation of the SS program. Now these people have enormous power at their fingertips. After a long life of being down and an outcast, now they have power they could have never imagined.

  • Ironaddict06

    Yea, this should be scary. I don’t fault individuals for taking a government job. The fault is at the U.S. gov’t tax system. Private workers in America should be mad, because they are the ones supporting these systems. Also look at many of these government workers-they work for the gov’t because they would not make it in the real world. Look at the TSA agents. REALLY? These people are supposed to be highly trained and professional security agents? They are glorified night security gurads. The department of homeland security-This is Americas SS. Know I understand how Germany’s SS became so powerfull. These people that work/worked for the SS were ir-revelent before the creation of the SS program. Now these people have enormous power at their fingertips. After a long life of being down and an outcast, now they have power they could have never imagined.

  • rtb61

    The stupid it burns.
    US population 1960 179,323,175.
    US population 2011 307,006,550
    a 71% increase now take out the Republican Department of Homeland Security et al and where do you end up.
    Next the damage caused by the US created WTO World Trade Organisation and the right wing desire to cripple workers rights by allowing imported products to enter the country that do not adhere to the same reasonable cost forced upon locally produced product by legislations and regulation but those crap products along with a veritable flood of bullshit advertising do allow for grossly inflated profit margins.
    You can easily export manufacturing jobs but it is difficult to export government jobs but hey wait the Republicans are going solve that by not bid out sourcing to Halliburton a Dubai company. How many other Republican politicians loved practically adored off shore outsourcing and it’s ability to cripple unions and workers rights.
    Of course do not expect the Wall Street Journal a Fox not-News rag, to point out reality and of course who fucked it all up, not government workers but corporations and the insanely rich and greedy.

  • Ironaddict06

    Yea, this should be scary. I don’t fault individuals for taking a government job. The fault is at the U.S. gov’t tax system. Private workers in America should be mad, because they are the ones supporting these systems. Also look at many of these government workers-they work for the gov’t because they would not make it in the real world. Look at the TSA agents. REALLY? These people are supposed to be highly trained and professional security agents? They are glorified night security gurads. The department of homeland security-This is Americas SS. Know I understand how Germany’s SS became so powerfull. These people that work/worked for the SS were ir-revelent before the creation of the SS program. Now these people have enormous power at their fingertips. After a long life of being down and an outcast, now they have power they could have never imagined.

  • DeepCough

    This is a sign of how we Americans have forgotten to govern ourselves: we failed to pass legislation by us, now it’s being done for us, and worse yet, we somehow got comfortable with that, and this is the result.

  • DeepCough

    This is a sign of how we Americans have forgotten to govern ourselves: we failed to pass legislation by us, now it’s being done for us, and worse yet, we somehow got comfortable with that, and this is the result.

  • Anonymous

    Sales taxes are regressive because the rich make lousy consumers.
    Try something less plutocratic.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EAPUJHWIYQJWKN7HUCSCVHKVTQ David Meadows

    Service Industry jobs probably trump them all.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EAPUJHWIYQJWKN7HUCSCVHKVTQ David Meadows

    Service Industry jobs probably trump them all.

  • E.B. Wolf

    Clearly you have never been to Beverly Hills, South Beach, or Manhattan.

  • E.B. Wolf

    Clearly you have never been to Beverly Hills, South Beach, or Manhattan.

  • Guest

    Boy, this sure does help the fear-mongering behind the government shutdown. Everything I see talking about that is like “5 things that you will immediately need if the govt shuts down.” So, throw in there the millions of people who will be not working because they all work for the govt… and voila! Bow to your masters.

  • Guest

    Boy, this sure does help the fear-mongering behind the government shutdown. Everything I see talking about that is like “5 things that you will immediately need if the govt shuts down.” So, throw in there the millions of people who will be not working because they all work for the govt… and voila! Bow to your masters.

  • Anonymous

    Disinformation indeed!

    The manufacturing sector has been gutted as a result of the free-trade policies cheered on by the WSJ. These policies outsource the very jobs Stephen Moore grieves for American workers, yet he makes no mention of them. What’s left of the American industrial economy is dominated by weapons manufacturing, a sector of the economy subsidized by the American taxpayer, who then sees none of the profits.

    In no place his diatribe does he talk about the over 27 million unemployed. This number does not count the tens of millions who are underemployed, or unemployed and not receiving benefits. Many of these people lost their jobs as a result of the malfeasance of Wall St. But this is not mentioned in the Wall Street Journal editorial page.

    Mr. Moore has plenty of blame for unions, teachers, and young people. Maybe he’d welcome a return to the days before unions, when miners, farmers, and industrial workers led hard short lives, living in poverty but making plenty for the Carnegies and Morgans of the world. He scorns the paltry budget of public transit, but of course ignores the 41 billion spent by the Federal Highway Administration alone.

    Stephen Moore and the WSJ would have the American taxpayer privatize the entire government. In plain words that means working people pay for it, and the private owners receive the profits.

  • hypnos

    Disinformation indeed!

    The manufacturing sector has been gutted as a result of the free-trade policies cheered on by the WSJ. These policies outsource the very jobs Stephen Moore grieves for American workers, yet he makes no mention of them. What’s left of the American industrial economy is dominated by weapons manufacturing, a sector of the economy subsidized by the American taxpayer, who then sees none of the profits.

    In no place his diatribe does he talk about the over 27 million unemployed. This number does not count the tens of millions who are underemployed, or unemployed and not receiving benefits. Many of these people lost their jobs as a result of the malfeasance of Wall St. But this is not mentioned in the Wall Street Journal editorial page.

    Mr. Moore has plenty of blame for unions, teachers, and young people. Maybe he’d welcome a return to the days before unions, when miners, farmers, and industrial workers led hard short lives, living in poverty but making plenty for the Carnegies and Morgans of the world. He scorns the paltry budget of public transit, but of course ignores the 41 billion spent by the Federal Highway Administration alone.

    Stephen Moore and the WSJ would have the American taxpayer privatize the entire government. In plain words that means working people pay for it, and the private owners receive the profits.

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