Praying To A Tree Trunk: Will The Tree Trunk Help?

Divinity-of-Doubt-Bugliosi-Vincent-9781593156299One of the main things people pray for is peace. But there have already been trillions upon trillions of prayers for peace through the years, yet peace remains as elusive as mercury, as groups and factions and nations persist in warring viciously with each other, the violence continuing unabated.

Wouldn’t one think that people would finally come to the realization that either there’s no one up there listening to their prayers for peace, or if there is, he doesn’t have the power to stop the violence, or if he does, he has no desire to do so? That they may just as well be praying to a tree trunk?

I’ve been told there is some religious sect in the Himalayan Mountains that has been praying for peace, twenty-four hours a day in shifts, for more than five hundred years. Nuns of the Franciscan Sisters in La Crosse, Wisconsin, have been praying for world peace in thirty-minute rotating shifts twenty four hours a day in an unbroken chain of perpetual prayers dating back to 1878. Even a fire that reached the chapel doors in 1923 never stopped the nuns from praying inside.

When will the poor nuns and millions of others give up? How many more centuries are people going to have to pray and how many more trillions of prayers are they going to have to say before they wake up to the fact that no one is listening to their prayers? (I mean, if whoever is up there ignores even the pope when he prays for peace, and the pope is the spiritual leader of more than 1 billion Catholics and, per Catholicism, God’s chief representative on this earth, why would people think that God would listen to common folk like them?) Not only do they seem incapable of waking up to this fact, but they compound the idiocy of it all by always talking about “the power of prayer.”

How is it that in their daily lives, if these people who pray for peace ask someone to do something for them and they are turned down, they’d probably never ask again. And rarely would they ask a third time. But in praying to God for peace, these same people never give up, and they do this even with the realization and knowledge that there are and have been millions just like them saying prayers for peace to the same God for centuries. Why isn’t this type of behavior considered to be clinically psychotic? But far from being consigned to a diagnosis of psychosis, I have no doubt that these prayers will continue to be considered completely normal, even healthy, and will go on, as an old Indian treaty provided, “as long as the water flows and the wind blows and the grass grows.”

What could possibly be on the minds of the countless who never stop praying for peace in the world? Is this surreal praying without end a grand extrapolation of Jacob Riis’ Stonecutter Credo of the mason who hammers away at his rock, perhaps one hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it, but at the one hundred and first blow it splits in two, and he knows that it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before?

In other words, do these many millions of people praying for peace, think that their prayer for peace, which they remarkably say in all earnestness, will be the one out of the trillions already said down through the years that will finally be the one that breaks the camel’s back with God, that will cause him to say, “Okay, okay, I don’t need, any more prayers. I’ll give you your peace”? Or could they actually believe that God might respond solely and simply because they asked him and he might answer their prayer? Whichever of the two it is, you have to know this is not insanity. It’s beyond insanity. And this is why, though I’d love to approach these people and ask them why they praying for peace, I don’t because I’m afraid to go near them.

It’s hard to know which is a bigger mystery — people saying prayers for peace or people always immediately going to their churches to pray whenever there is a terrible tragedy, such as September 11, 2001, or Hurricane Katrina. I’m serious when I ask, What in the world do people pray about when a tragedy like 9/l1 or Katrina happens? Since God caused 9/l1 and Katrina, or allowed them to happen, I sincerely like to know what the national prayers during these tragedies are all about. (President Bush declared a national day of prayer after both 9/11 and Katrina.) Are people praying to the Lord beseeching him not to do this again or allow it to happen again? Or are they asking him to give them strength to stand the mental and emotional pain caused by the act he caused or allowed to happen? Or asking him to take care of those he just caused or allowed to be killed? I’m absolutely serious. What do the prayers say that could possibly make sense to a rational person? Whatever the prayers are, hasn’t God already shown by what he did or allowed to happen to these people that he couldn’t possibly care less about them? So why are people praying to him?

Frank Geer, a rector at St. Philip’s Church-in-the-Highlands in Garrison, New York, has tried, unsuccessfully, to make sense out of prayers in times like 9/l1. Geer worked at St. Lukes-Roosevelt Hospital in New York City counseling and comforting survivors of 9/l1. During a break in his work, he said he went to St. Paul’s chapel, a 250-year old Episcopal church that was a block from the World Trade Center devastation. In the book Where Was God on September 11? he says he prayed to God “first and foremost for all the people who had died. I prayed for their families, and I prayed for the workers who were risking their lives every day at the site that God would keep them safe.” Speaking of the churches, synagogues, and mosques that were overflowing with people after 9/l1, he remarks, “People wanted to be together with other human beings and with God. Going to church was a way to activate and amplify their sense of God … They wanted to be together with a force that cares about them, that cares for them. Religion [i.e., belief in God] was an incredible source of comfort for people” after 9/l1.

But of course I already knew that religion was a source of comfort for those praying to their God. My question is, How could this possibly be when the God they were praying to caused or allowed to happen the tragedy they were on their knees praying about? (If he didn’t, then he’s not the omnipotent God they believe him to be who can answer their prayers, and hence, why are they praying to him?) How can such numbing, staggering stupidity continue without end? Einstein once said that there are only two things that are infinite: the universe and the stupidity of man. And he added that he was unsure only of the former. With respect to people praying after a tragedy to a God who caused or allowed it, are we dealing here with an indelible, ineradicable, inerasable, inexpungible psychosis that can no more be removed than can the pigmentation of one’s skin? A psychosis that will stop only when the sun rises in the west? When Frenchmen stop drinking wine? Cervantes tells us that every dog has his day, but my God, when is this day ever going to end?

In recognizing the futility of prayer, people could learn from the destitute. They don’t pray. They beg.

The above is an excerpt from the book Divinity of Doubt: The God Question by Vincent Bugliosi, by kind permission of the publisher, Vanguard Press. Copyright © 2011 Vincent Bugliosi.

Vincent Bugliosi, author of Divinity of Doubt: The God Question, received his law degree in 1964. In his career at the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office, he successfully prosecuted 105 out of 106 felony jury trials, including 21 murder convictions without a single loss. His most famous trial, the Charles Manson case, became the basis of his true-crime classic, Helter Skelter , the biggest selling true-crime book in publishing history. Two of Bugliosi’s other true-crime books—And the Sea Will Tell and Outrage — also reached #1 on the New York Times hardcover bestseller list. No other American true-crime writer has ever had more than one book that achieved this ranking. His latest book, Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, was also a New York Times bestseller, and is being made into a ten-part HBO miniseries, for which Tom Hanks will be a producer. Bugliosi lives with his wife of many years in Los Angeles. For more information follow the author on Facebook.

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  • Anon

    Peace begins within-the more people seeking peace (or praying for peace), the less people seeking animosity toward others.

  • Anon

    Peace begins within-the more people seeking peace (or praying for peace), the less people seeking animosity toward others.

  • justagirl

    you wrote an entire book on your confusion? wow. they will publish anything for you now.

    • Andrew

      Hey, they publish books on believers’ various delusions, so they might as well publish this.

      • justagirl

        yes. chop down more trees to make crappy books. no wonder the tree trunk won’t answer prayers. (lol).

        • Andrew

          “The Tree Trunk is dead!” — Nietzsche

          “They made me into your coffin, bitch!” — the Tree Trunk

    • Dave_Plankton

      All philosophy begins with confusion.

      • justagirl

        or vision.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=580380351 Potter Dee

          or delusion

          • justagirl

            i shall begin my masterpiece immediately. *bow*

  • justagirl

    you wrote an entire book on your confusion? wow. they will publish anything for you now.

  • Andrew

    Hey, they publish books on believers’ various delusions, so they might as well publish this.

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  • justagirl

    yes. chop down more trees to make crappy books. no wonder the tree trunk won’t answer prayers. (lol).

  • Andrew

    “The Tree Trunk is dead!” — Nietzsche

    “They made me into your coffin, bitch!” — the Tree Trunk

  • Anonymous

    All philosophy begins with confusion.

  • justagirl

    or vision.

  • Ricky Jazzercise

    Ever occur to you that praying just doesn’t work by method alone. I was a Christian until I was about 16. I went to church every Sunday and prayed all the time. Never did much as far as creating a “spiritual” experience. But then I tried psychedelic drugs, astral projection, and sigil magick, and those all worked swimmingly as far as warping my brain to the point where it felt as if I was communicating with the spirit realm.

    It’s basic methodology. To produce a spiritual experience you have to create an altered head space. This doesn’t have to be chemical (although that’s the easiest way to induce them), but can be done by a wide variety of very natural methods. To contact the spirit world, you have to put yourself more into it, and away from normal thought patterns. When you pray, you’re just thinking in a normal sober headspace. That’s all you’re doing. That’s why it doesn’t work very well. Pretty simple shit, but I’m sure we’ll have to endure thousands upon thousands of new stupid books about how religion is wrong and scientific rationality is right which fail to mention the insane bias in both the sciences and our religious institutions to not study any kind of alternative spiritual practice. The best way to understand something, is to know as little about it as humanly possible. Clearly.

  • Ricky Jazzercise

    Ever occur to you that praying just doesn’t work by method alone. I was a Christian until I was about 16. I went to church every Sunday and prayed all the time. Never did much as far as creating a “spiritual” experience. But then I tried psychedelic drugs, astral projection, and sigil magick, and those all worked swimmingly as far as warping my brain to the point where it felt as if I was communicating with the spirit realm.

    It’s basic methodology. To produce a spiritual experience you have to create an altered head space. This doesn’t have to be chemical (although that’s the easiest way to induce them), but can be done by a wide variety of very natural methods. To contact the spirit world, you have to put yourself more into it, and away from normal thought patterns. When you pray, you’re just thinking in a normal sober headspace. That’s all you’re doing. That’s why it doesn’t work very well. Pretty simple shit, but I’m sure we’ll have to endure thousands upon thousands of new stupid books about how religion is wrong and scientific rationality is right which fail to mention the insane bias in both the sciences and our religious institutions to not study any kind of alternative spiritual practice. The best way to understand something, is to know as little about it as humanly possible. Clearly.

    • Dogsinus

      Its not the spirit world, its Just being on drugs. Im not saying its not good or that you cant take something valuable from It. its Just not the spirit world.

      • Jim Houser

        It be the spirit world. Who cares what chemicals open up the paths? Just a glimpse is sometimes enough…

      • Tuna Ghost

        what exactly does that mean? In terms of process and stuff

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=580380351 Potter Dee

    or delusion

  • justagirl

    i shall begin my masterpiece immediately. *bow*

  • Tuna Ghost

    I remember when I was in second grade and my family was moving to Chicago, and I begged and begged my father not to make us move. We moved anyway, and that was the day I realized that Dads don’t exist. Anyone who says they do is either stupid or deluding themselves.

  • Tuna Ghost

    I remember when I was in second grade and my family was moving to Chicago, and I begged and begged my father not to make us move. We moved anyway, and that was the day I realized that Dads don’t exist. Anyone who says they do is either stupid or deluding themselves.

    • Geomaldo

      The advantage that you had with daddy and that you could look him in the eye and beg not to go.

      • Tuna Ghost

        Didn’t make any difference, so I’m not sure how that is an advantage. Point is, if we’re theorizing God as a higher and more powerful intelligence, the fact that It is not acquiescing to billions of often conflicting pleas and demands like a magical genie is not a sign of Its powerlessness or apathy in regard to the human race, only a sign of an author attributing human intelligence, desire and vision to something that is (allegedly) a much more intelligent, observant and powerful being.

        The problem I have with this article is that it is basically placing prayer on level with begging a parent for a new toy or some other boon. I don’t doubt that for many people that’s exactly what it is, but that is hardly the consensus nor the intentions of god knows how many people that pray. Communion with your god of choice can have several purposes, even in Abrahamic faiths.

    • feintruled

      So, let us follow your logic.

      A. You ask your Dad for something
      B. It does not happen
      C. People ask God for something
      D. It does not happen
      E. Your Dad exists
      F. Therefore, God exists

      There’s a new one.

      • Tuna Ghost

        My dad doesn’t exist, you silly goose. I just explained that. I asked for something and didn’t get it, therefore he can’t exist. I don’t know how to explain to you this any easier.

      • Tuna Ghost

        A less sarcastic response would be: you’ve got it backwards. To put it simply:

        X loves me and is interested in my well being as well as that of my family.
        I asked X for Y.
        I didn’t get Y.
        Therefore, X either doesn’t exist or X is powerless to give me what I want.

        If we accept this argument as valid (which the article above appears to be doing), I can disprove the existence of any number individuals simply by plugging them into X (assuming they are supposed to have had some interest in my well being). There is nothing in this article or my posts that is at all concerned with proving the existence of anything. What you posted is a prime example of a rather famous logical fallacy, but I’ve just drank a shit ton of brown liquor and can’t remember the name. Come to think, my philosophy degree is pretty much being washed down the drain with cheap bourbon and Soju. I asked my local social worker to help me, but then I found out she doesn’t exist. Crazy, right?

  • Anonymous

    Get it straight.
    Your spirt exists separate from your body.
    It’s yours forever. Keep it happy.
    You’ve already sensed it to be true.

    Making noises with your mouth to satisfy yourself or others curiosity
    about this fact, is a fools venture. Spirit doesn’t need words. Spirit
    is S p i r i t. Just letters, not actually “it”. Like an atom.

    Don’t go looking under rocks for something you already possess.

    Big Abs has told the truth again.

  • BigAbs

    Get it straight.
    Your spirt exists separate from your body.
    It’s yours forever. Keep it happy.
    You’ve already sensed it to be true.

    Making noises with your mouth to satisfy yourself or others curiosity
    about this fact, is a fools venture. Spirit doesn’t need words. Spirit
    is S p i r i t. Just letters, not actually “it”. Like an atom.

    Don’t go looking under rocks for something you already possess.

    Big Abs has told the truth again.

    • Andrew

      “Big Abs has told the truth again.”

      That should be emblazoned on billboards. It should be stamped on every Bible and every Qur’an. It should be printed on our money.

    • Jim Houser

      Obviously, whoever wrote this is an amateur.

  • Andrew

    “Big Abs has told the truth again.”

    That should be emblazoned on billboards. It should be stamped on every Bible and every Qur’an. It should be printed on our money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=724889371 Aron Stein

    Nice of you to stop by and pimp your book. If this excerpt is any example its both poorly written and even more poorly constructed. I’ve read better essays from my Philosophy 101 students.

    • Tuna Ghost

      Looks like he’s making a move into the “New Atheism” market. I guess no one told this lawyer you have to be human to be a Humanist (get it? ‘Cause lawyers aren’t human? They’re not…ah forget it).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=724889371 Aron Stein

    Nice of you to stop by and pimp your book. If this excerpt is any example its both poorly written and even more poorly constructed. I’ve read better essays from my Philosophy 101 students.

  • Don Dodson

    I prayed for peace and God gave it to me.

    • sniper

      oh yeah.your god just did his job

  • Don Dodson

    I prayed for peace and God gave it to me.

  • FrankRizzo

    Atheists are as dumb and deluded as any other religious group. We don’t know anything about anything. I don’t want to hear about what God is, I don’t want to hear there is no God. Just fuck off and let be.

    • HumbleAgnostic

      Could not agree with you more…atheists have their heads shoved just as far up their own asses as most religious fundamentalists and and this is why I try to be agnostic about everything, from religion to politics. And when people ask, I like to say that I am a humble agnostic versus a proud atheist and/or a proud Christian. Their pride has always been a huge turn-off…the inability to admit that maybe – just maybe! – they might be wrong about anything.

      • sniper

        that doesnt make you right either being half baked.

        • FrankRizzo

          Thats kind of the point GENIUS!! NO ONE KNOWS SHIT! Hey sniper, why don’t you take aim on a concept instead of making smart ass comments.

  • FrankRizzo

    Atheists are as dumb and deluded as any other religious group. We don’t know anything about anything. I don’t want to hear about what God is, I don’t want to hear there is no God. Just fuck off and let be.

  • Geomaldo

    The advantage that you had with daddy and that you could look him in the eye and beg not to go.

  • Geomaldo

    The advantage that you had with daddy and that you could look him in the eye and beg not to go.

  • maniaroma

    Are you sayimng that the people doing all the prayimng are being attacked dailly?

  • Maniaroma

    Are you sayimng that the people doing all the prayimng are being attacked dailly?

  • Maniaroma

    Are you sayimng that the people doing all the prayimng are being attacked dailly?

  • emperorreagan

    The excerpts I’ve read from this book on here seem like its amateur hour for someone trying to cash in on the surge in atheist/agnostic books in recent years. Are the dollars running low from the old work, or does he want fame for something other than true-crime writing?

    • Tuna Ghost

      I know, right? Its even aping the book-jacket style of Dawkins and Hitchens. But given the level of critical thinking in the States, don’t be surprised if it spends some time on the best-sellers list.

  • emperorreagan

    The excerpts I’ve read from this book on here seem like its amateur hour for someone trying to cash in on the surge in atheist/agnostic books in recent years. Are the dollars running low from the old work, or does he want fame for something other than true-crime writing?

  • Tuna Ghost

    Didn’t make any difference, so I’m not sure how that is an advantage. Point is, if we’re theorizing God as a higher and more powerful intelligence, the fact that It is not acquiescing to billions of often conflicting pleas and demands like a magical genie is not a sign of Its powerlessness or apathy in regard to the human race, only a sign of an author attributing human intelligence, desire and vision to something that is (allegedly) a much more intelligent, observant and powerful being.

    The problem I have with this article is that it is basically placing prayer on level with begging a parent for a new toy or some other boon. I don’t doubt that for many people that’s exactly what it is, but that is hardly the consensus nor the intentions of god knows how many people that pray. Communion with your god of choice can have several purposes, even in Abrahamic faiths.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Looks like he’s making a move into the “New Atheism” market. I guess no one told this lawyer you have to be human to be a Humanist (get it? ‘Cause lawyers aren’t human? They’re not…ah forget it).

  • feintruled

    So, let us follow your logic.

    A. You ask your Dad for something
    B. It does not happen
    C. People ask God for something
    D. It does not happen
    E. Your Dad exists
    F. Therefore, God exists

    There’s a new one.

  • Gregory

    Well…like most things atheists say, it’s complete twaddle and a sign of having a head that sloshes when you do jumping jacks.

    The problem isn’t praying for peace and whatever deity not paying any attention, it’s a misunderstanding on the part of those people of the nature of reality. Oh, excuse me “reality.” We are in a cycle in the material universe of life and death, of change. Which is why conservatives like Xians and Atheists are having such a hard time right now. We have chaos and order in a system to creates a stability, yet a stability that is always in a state of flux.

    In the cycle of life and death, there is death, you might notice. Are you paying attention, atheists, this is hard stuff here. This means things die, they don’t last and shit happens. Life isn’t fair. And yes, often it seems like people are the ones who are making it unfair. But that’s not true. For there to be peace, there also has to be entropy which leads to torpor and stagnation. There is as much “violence” in a plant growing as there is in one person killing another because they have land/resources the other person wants…or just because they look different or recognize different kinds of “sky fairies.” We cannot have peace, it’s not part of the system.

    When an Uhmurkan Xian prays for peace, what they’re wanting is peace for themselves, without realizing that on a national and global scale, for Uhmurkah to have peace, the rest of the country and the world has to treated the same way they want to be treated…as in Love Thy Neighbor As You Love Thyself. OR…the rest of the world and the rest of the country can be treated as heathens and just another renewable resource to benefit you, and by a neat trick, established by an ignorance of the Rule Book you’re supposed to follow and instead letting others tell you what Xianity is REALLY about and imaging that your god is the only god and that your country is THE country that he uses to work his will (which is heresy and blasphemy just as thanking Jesus and/or Yahweh when you win a Nascar race).

    All these reasons is why praying for peace on a global scale and hoping that you won’t have to talk to anyone today that is a complete sociopath and waterhead is in vain. Peace on earth, good will toward men can’t happen unless the things that divide us are set aside and we stop either imagining that your god and religion is the only true one or swinging all the other way and imaging that all gods and religions are null and void.

    Peace for you can’t mean putting your jackboot on someone else’s neck because they don’t think they same things you do. We all think the same things, we’re all humans. When we realize that all other variables are just gilding the lily, then we can sit down and have a nice picnic.

    But when Xians, Muslims and Atheists (etc) demand that you obey their fundamentalism, we are well doomed and I will definitely be having a conversation with someone today who has their head so far up their ass they have to duck when they put on a tie.

    fiat lux

    • Jim Houser

      It goes both ways. Atheist or not, (-a), if you have an idea, it’s wrong.

  • Gregory

    Well…like most things atheists say, it’s complete twaddle and a sign of having a head that sloshes when you do jumping jacks.

    The problem isn’t praying for peace and whatever deity not paying any attention, it’s a misunderstanding on the part of those people of the nature of reality. Oh, excuse me “reality.” We are in a cycle in the material universe of life and death, of change. Which is why conservatives like Xians and Atheists are having such a hard time right now. We have chaos and order in a system to creates a stability, yet a stability that is always in a state of flux.

    In the cycle of life and death, there is death, you might notice. Are you paying attention, atheists, this is hard stuff here. This means things die, they don’t last and shit happens. Life isn’t fair. And yes, often it seems like people are the ones who are making it unfair. But that’s not true. For there to be peace, there also has to be entropy which leads to torpor and stagnation. There is as much “violence” in a plant growing as there is in one person killing another because they have land/resources the other person wants…or just because they look different or recognize different kinds of “sky fairies.” We cannot have peace, it’s not part of the system.

    When an Uhmurkan Xian prays for peace, what they’re wanting is peace for themselves, without realizing that on a national and global scale, for Uhmurkah to have peace, the rest of the country and the world has to treated the same way they want to be treated…as in Love Thy Neighbor As You Love Thyself. OR…the rest of the world and the rest of the country can be treated as heathens and just another renewable resource to benefit you, and by a neat trick, established by an ignorance of the Rule Book you’re supposed to follow and instead letting others tell you what Xianity is REALLY about and imaging that your god is the only god and that your country is THE country that he uses to work his will (which is heresy and blasphemy just as thanking Jesus and/or Yahweh when you win a Nascar race).

    All these reasons is why praying for peace on a global scale and hoping that you won’t have to talk to anyone today that is a complete sociopath and waterhead is in vain. Peace on earth, good will toward men can’t happen unless the things that divide us are set aside and we stop either imagining that your god and religion is the only true one or swinging all the other way and imaging that all gods and religions are null and void.

    Peace for you can’t mean putting your jackboot on someone else’s neck because they don’t think they same things you do. We all think the same things, we’re all humans. When we realize that all other variables are just gilding the lily, then we can sit down and have a nice picnic.

    But when Xians, Muslims and Atheists (etc) demand that you obey their fundamentalism, we are well doomed and I will definitely be having a conversation with someone today who has their head so far up their ass they have to duck when they put on a tie.

    fiat lux

  • Tuna Ghost

    My dad doesn’t exist, you silly goose. I just explained that. I asked for something and didn’t get it, therefore he can’t exist. I don’t know how to explain to you this any easier.

  • HumbleAgnostic

    Could not agree with you more…atheists have their heads shoved just as far up their own asses as most religious fundamentalists and and this is why I try to be agnostic about everything, from religion to politics. And when people ask, I like to say that I am a humble agnostic versus a proud atheist and/or a proud Christian. Their pride has always been a huge turn-off…the inability to admit that maybe – just maybe! – they might be wrong about anything.

  • Tuna Ghost

    A less sarcastic response would be: you’ve got it backwards. To put it simply:

    X loves me and is interested in my well being as well as that of my family.
    I asked X for Y.
    I didn’t get Y.
    Therefore, X either doesn’t exist or X is powerless to give me what I want.

    If we accept this argument as valid (which the article above appears to be doing), I can disprove the existence of any number individuals simply by plugging them into X (assuming they are supposed to have had some interest in my well being). There is nothing in this article or my posts that is at all concerned with proving the existence of anything. What you posted is a prime example of a rather famous logical fallacy, but I’ve just drank a shit ton of brown liquor and can’t remember the name. Come to think, my philosophy degree is pretty much being washed down the drain with cheap bourbon and Soju. I asked my local social worker to help me, but then I found out she doesn’t exist. Crazy, right?

  • Tuna Ghost

    I know, right? Its even aping the book-jacket style of Dawkins and Hitchens. But given the level of critical thinking in the States, don’t be surprised if it spends some time on the best-sellers list.

  • sniper

    that doesnt make you right either being half baked.

  • sniper

    oh yeah.your god just did his job

  • Kurt h-f

    I know, my ‘Jesus appears on an Ashtray after party in Australia’ has brought me nothing but trouble. After being published in Harry Charon’s: “Look: It’s Jesus”, I have had hundreds of nut~bag Christians trekking across the world to try to touch or see my ashtray. I say ‘piss off’ to all of them, Ashtray Jesus is MINE!…I still smoke after all this too.. thanks a lot, Jesus!

  • Kurt h-f

    I know, my ‘Jesus appears on an Ashtray after party in Australia’ has brought me nothing but trouble. After being published in Harry Charon’s: “Look: It’s Jesus”, I have had hundreds of nut~bag Christians trekking across the world to try to touch or see my ashtray. I say ‘piss off’ to all of them, Ashtray Jesus is MINE!…I still smoke after all this too.. thanks a lot, Jesus!

  • Dogsinus

    Its not the spirit world, its Just being on drugs. Im not saying its not good or that you cant take something valuable from It. its Just not the spirit world.

  • http://lougold.blogspot.com Lou Gold

    The error is obvious. It is futile to pray for peace in others. One can only make peace within oneself. This is achievable. Check out: http://lougold.blogspot.com/2009/05/peace-is-every-step-last-weekend-at.html

    BTW, I’ve spent a lot of time praying to a tree trunk. It’s a good path, I believe. Take a look at http://lougold.blogspot.com/2010/07/ancient-future-path-ancient-path-by.html

  • http://lougold.blogspot.com Lou Gold

    The error is obvious. It is futile to pray for peace in others. One can only make peace within oneself. This is achievable. Check out: http://lougold.blogspot.com/2009/05/peace-is-every-step-last-weekend-at.html

    BTW, I’ve spent a lot of time praying to a tree trunk. It’s a good path, I believe. Take a look at http://lougold.blogspot.com/2010/07/ancient-future-path-ancient-path-by.html

  • Jim Houser

    Sorry dude, your argument broke down towards the end. Was this the first draft? more thinking….

  • Jim Houser

    Sorry dude, your argument broke down towards the end. Was this the first draft? more thinking….

  • Jim Houser

    Obviously, whoever wrote this is an amateur.

  • Jim Houser

    It be the spirit world. Who cares what chemicals open up the paths? Just a glimpse is sometimes enough…

  • Jim Houser

    It goes both ways. Atheist or not, (-a), if you have an idea, it’s wrong.

  • FrankRizzo

    Thats kind of the point GENIUS!! NO ONE KNOWS SHIT! Hey sniper, why don’t you take aim on a concept instead of making smart ass comments.

  • Tuna Ghost

    what exactly does that mean? In terms of process and stuff

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