US, UK Nuclear Submarine Secrets Accidentally Published Online

Los Angeles Class SubmarineThe original is no longer available, but the redacted PDF is here. Via Yahoo News:

A “technical error” has caused Britain’s Ministry of Defense to inadvertently publish classified sections of a report containing sensitive information about US Navy and British military nuclear submarines, the BBC reports.

Sensitive information in the report, which was published to Parliament’s website after a Freedom of Information request by anti-nuclear campaigners, includes how much structural damage British subs can take before a full meltdown takes place, as well as US vessels’ abilities to handle nuclear core failure.

The “schoolboy error,” as the MoD has called it, was due to improper redaction in the PDF document. As British tabloid the Daily Star Sunday, which first reported the gargantuan slip-up, points out, “anyone wanting to read the censored sections just had to copy the text.” This was most likely because whomever attempted to redact the document did so with the digital black highlighter, which simply covers up, rather than fully redacts, the text in a PDF.

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  • Targeteer

    ASW is still a top priority for the US Navy even tho the mission assignments of “sub killer” assets has been scaled back since the collapse of the Soviet Union & tensions between Russia & our allies have been “relaxed.” The location of operating submarines is highly classified as is their vulnerability – if they can be located, identified & destroyed by using conventional, subsurface weapons or nuclear depth charges, than the vessel could sink to great depth(or not) causing a nuclear catastrophe either way. Or if the sub sinks for any reason & exceeds it’s maximum dive capability(not much considering deep ocean depths) the hull will collapse like a beer can effecting more than just bottom dwellers.

    Also classified is the maximum safe operating depths of each particular class of submarine, as well as it’s subsurface speed, mission & payload.

    A nuclear powered, ICBM toting sub, with nuclear warheads targeted and ready to launch, poses a threat to all living things, friend or foe regardless of the mishap. U B the judge: is this info leak a good thing or not? Keep in mind, military assets of all nature, from all quarters are going to be deployed, to their maximum effect & benefit, as long as the programs are funded & for long as we can cast a gaze into the future. BTW our shortsighted collective governments need a new eyeglass prescription.

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      Sometimes however their vision gets clouded by cataracts, making eyeglasses useless. Sometimes we just need some healthy youthful vision to look to the future.

      • Targeteer

        Yer right! The youth of this world ARE our future. They are serious players in the game, whether or not their “vision” is taken seriously. When I was young I felt that my vision was clear: idealistic? Yes; revolutionary? No; insightful? Marginal at best.

        Now, at age 62, a retired Navy photographer & image interpretation intel analyst, I tend to be more pragmatic & dogged in my pursuit of equanimity. I find the generational, cultural, intellectual & political differences that separate me from what I consider to be mainstream thought at every level & and on every issue, from the basic acquisition & practice of socialization skills(being polite, respectful, positive & supportive) to holding informed, unbiased, nonprejudicial, inclusive & sensitive views regarding people, places, institutions & global social customs & traditions, very troublesome to me across the board & across all age groups.

        In short, citizens of the USA need a reality check as well as the ability to check their puffed up little egos at the door before opening there mouths, becoming rude & disrespectful at every turn & quarter that constitute life’s acquaintances & promises.

        If this doesn’t happen, and happen soon, I promise you that we as Earthlings will destroy ourselves through greed, misdeeds, moral debauchery, social decline, and, most important, the erosion of the values that were set forth for us in our founding documents that could & should enable us to survive a thousand years as a cohesive, positive force in the world, but instead has been plundered by misguided, poisonous ambition.

        Our “vision” now can no longer comprehend the importance, significance & contributions of the Roman Empire to our modern, Western greatness. We inherited much from this ancient society that lasted eleven hundred years with its vestiges still intact after its demise almost two thousand years ago – a distant mirror that would show us our reflection if we only cared to peer within.

        Cataract surgery is relatively simple, but we, the simple minded, spoiled children that we are may never “take the cure.” it would be nice if I could “see” it happen, but the Hell we created here on Earth will not freeze over during my lifetime.

        • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

          I couldn’t have said it better myself. Unfortunately our entire culture is fractured in multidimensional ways. The obvious yet (only slightly) less important fault line lies in cultural bounds such as race, politics, and religion etc. We have a dire problem of age-wise, time-based fracturing. The real cracks in our society that trickle down into the obvious problems are our separation between the youth and the old.

          It only takes 2 or 3 generations to completely destroy the foundation of a culture. If a generation thinks all that their parents thought was wrong, and their children do the same to them, it leaves a completely chaotic mess of youth that have no idea what is right. You could delineate people by how they connect to their past(their elders). Some (fewer and fewer now) still learn life lessons from religion, some think the religion of the state, doing whatever they say, and some still, the patriots, treat the constitution as their holy book. However for most people, the most significant way the old and the new trade words is with litigation.

          I could go on about how there are so many different ways a young person could expect to be following the right path, simply because they are learning from some elder, but there are literally endless numbers of belief systems that fracture us all.

          However, once chaos is taking over like it is now, the youth begin to notice it, and look to themselves. They create their own belief system from the ashes of the dying phoenix. What it will be like is completely unknown to anyone. This scares the shit out of the elders who can see it happening. Thus we have a mythic reality where the old and the new are literally warring with each other. If anyone is confused about the world, know that the framework we live in is this complex.

          • Targeteer

            Great reply! Thanks for responding & adding to the discussion – you’ve given me a lot of fresh fodder to satisfy my need of “food for thought.”

            I particularly enjoyed the strong points you made in the 2nd & 4th paragraphs. Although I mention the US Constitution, I do not support constitutionalism, nor do I wonder what the founding fathers would do. That to me is irrelevant. Instead, the document represents, to me, a liberal view & supports the dynamic process of change that allows our society to adapt and carry on, even though we flail madly at every juncture & endure corruption of values, laws, government & most important, the wielding & administration of power. Every American should find extremism abhorrent, even though tolerance is built into, and necessarily so, our “complex framework.” We should never treat the Constitution as a “holy book.”(well put & so true!).

            In recent decades, I would also include as “religion of the state” the pendulum swing to the right that appeals to many US citizens young & old, as they feed on it incessantly, not understanding that they are swallowing as sustenance, conservative, business as usual propaganda whose sole purpose is to keep the humble masses humble, shackled by religious servitude. BTW, I consider all religion to be a keg of dynamite with a short fuse that fuels the “chaos” you speak of.

            I consider myself one of the “elders” you mention, but I am reluctant to interface with young people in that regard. In my experience working as a volunteer in elder care programs funded through government agencies and grants, mentally & emotionally disturbed adults supported by an agency that receives their funding through private donations & grants, and now with a chapter of the Arc that provides care & services to adults who are developmentally delayed, I see an increase in societal marginalization that will impact the “Baby Boom” generation, of which I am a part, more than ever. I find your use of the word “fracturing” very relevant & astute.

            I fear what you say is so true: that youth will “look to themselves.” The intervention of adults in their lives is only tolerated if it is supportive of their transitory “needs,” which in my view only supports the “fluff” in their lives. Even the best and brightest of them seem so smug and self satisfied that it diminishes their accomplishments, and couple that with their diminished sense of trust in our country’s institutions due to our lack of will to support them ourselves, we’ve got no sense of what their “belief system” forged from “the ashes of the dying phoenix” will be like, and how, if possible, it will secure their future.

            The wars of human conflict will come to their shores as they have for every generation. Will they be prepared for, and willing to fight for what they now believe, or let themselves be swept away in the chaos of the collapse of our civilization. I fear that they will succumb – and sooner than they think, if they think anything at all.

  • Targeteer

    ASW is still a top priority for the US Navy even tho the mission assignments of “sub killer” assets has been scaled back since the collapse of the Soviet Union & tensions between Russia & our allies have been “relaxed.” The location of operating submarines is highly classified as is their vulnerability – if they can be located, identified & destroyed by using conventional, subsurface weapons or nuclear depth charges, than the vessel could sink to great depth(or not) causing a nuclear catastrophe either way. Or if the sub sinks for any reason & exceeds it’s maximum dive capability(not much considering deep ocean depths) the hull will collapse like a beer can effecting more than just bottom dwellers.

    Also classified is the maximum safe operating depths of each particular class of submarine, as well as it’s subsurface speed, mission & payload.

    A nuclear powered, ICBM toting sub, with nuclear warheads targeted and ready to launch, poses a threat to all living things, friend or foe regardless of the mishap. U B the judge: is this info leak a good thing or not? Keep in mind, military assets of all nature, from all quarters are going to be deployed, to their maximum effect & benefit, as long as the programs are funded & for long as we can cast a gaze into the future. BTW our shortsighted collective governments need a new eyeglass prescription.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Sometimes however their vision gets clouded by cataracts, making eyeglasses useless. Sometimes we just need some healthy youthful vision to look to the future.

  • Targeteer

    Yer right! The youth of this world ARE our future. They are serious players in the game, whether or not their “vision” is taken seriously. When I was young I felt that my vision was clear: idealistic? Yes; revolutionary? No; insightful? Marginal at best.

    Now, at age 62, a retired Navy photographer & image interpretation intel analyst, I tend to be more pragmatic & dogged in my pursuit of equanimity. I find the generational, cultural, intellectual & political differences that separate me from what I consider to be mainstream thought at every level & on every issue, from the basic acquisition & practice of socialization skills(being polite, respectful, positive & supportive) to holding informed, unbiased, nonprejudicial, inclusive & sensitive views regarding people, places, institutions & global social customs & traditions, very troublesome to me across the board & across all age groups.

    In short, citizens of the USA need a reality check as well as the ability to check their puffed up little egos at the door before opening there mouths, becoming rude & disrespectful at every turn & quarter that constitute life’s acquaintances & promises.

    If this doesn’t happen, and happen soon, I promise you that we as Earthlings will destroy ourselves through greed, misdeeds, moral debauchery, social decline, and, most important, the erosion of the values that were set forth for us in our founding documents that could & should enable us to survive a thousand years as a cohesive, positive force in the world, but instead has been plundered by misguided, poisonous ambition.

    Our “vision” now can no longer comprehend the importance, significance & contributions of the Roman Empire to our modern, Western greatness. We inherited much from this ancient society that lasted eleven hundred years with its vestiges still intact after its demise almost two thousand years ago – a distant mirror that would show us our reflection if we only cared to peer within.

    Cataract surgery is relatively simple, but we, the simple minded, spoiled children that we are may never “take the cure.” it would be nice if I could “see” it happen, but the Hell we created here on Earth will not freeze over during my lifetime.

  • Targeteer

    Yer right! The youth of this world ARE our future. They are serious players in the game, whether or not their “vision” is taken seriously. When I was young I felt that my vision was clear: idealistic? Yes; revolutionary? No; insightful? Marginal at best.

    Now, at age 62, a retired Navy photographer & image interpretation intel analyst, I tend to be more pragmatic & dogged in my pursuit of equanimity. I find the generational, cultural, intellectual & political differences that separate me from what I consider to be mainstream thought at every level & on every issue, from the basic acquisition & practice of socialization skills(being polite, respectful, positive & supportive) to holding informed, unbiased, nonprejudicial, inclusive & sensitive views regarding people, places, institutions & global social customs & traditions, very troublesome to me across the board & across all age groups.

    In short, citizens of the USA need a reality check as well as the ability to check their puffed up little egos at the door before opening there mouths, becoming rude & disrespectful at every turn & quarter that constitute life’s acquaintances & promises.

    If this doesn’t happen, and happen soon, I promise you that we as Earthlings will destroy ourselves through greed, misdeeds, moral debauchery, social decline, and, most important, the erosion of the values that were set forth for us in our founding documents that could & should enable us to survive a thousand years as a cohesive, positive force in the world, but instead has been plundered by misguided, poisonous ambition.

    Our “vision” now can no longer comprehend the importance, significance & contributions of the Roman Empire to our modern, Western greatness. We inherited much from this ancient society that lasted eleven hundred years with its vestiges still intact after its demise almost two thousand years ago – a distant mirror that would show us our reflection if we only cared to peer within.

    Cataract surgery is relatively simple, but we, the simple minded, spoiled children that we are may never “take the cure.” it would be nice if I could “see” it happen, but the Hell we created here on Earth will not freeze over during my lifetime.

    • Concerned U.S. Citizen

      If you are going to be hypocritical, it doesn’t hurt to try and separate it by a few paragraphs. How can you possibly claim nonprejudicial views regarding people and places and then one sentence later make a huge biased argument that all the citizens of the United States have “puffed up” egos and need “reality checks.” Perhaps you should consider that if you are going to speak out against an entire nation, you had better be sure that they all fall into your generalizations. I’m not one to be adverse to criticism I can’t help you are bordering on hate-speech. The problem isn’t that all US citizens have big egos, the problem is that people who think like you read one or two articles about a few ignorant people and then assume that they speak for the entire nation. In summation, because I don’t believe you have met all 307+ million US citizens I don’t think you’re in any place to tell us what ALL of us need to do. Yes, some of us have big egos and some of us need a reality check, but your assumptions are an ignorant and weak attempt to belittle a nation.

      • Targeteer

        I appreciate your reply, and assume you haven’t taken my reply to “Chaorder Gradient” out of context within the comment stream, as I double posted it unwittingly.

        That being said, I’m fairly sure it doesn’t change the broad stroke of your assessment, which I feel has value in its criticism, as my “assumptions” could and perhaps should be construed as “an ignorant and weak attempt to belittle a nation.”

        I have a lot vested in the security of our nation, and for that matter, the world as well. Indeed I hope that you are right as rain and I am wrong as hell.

    • Hadrian999

      whats the point in being alive without moral debauchery?

      • Targeteer

        The hedonist, or as I prefer, Epicurean, in me tends to agree with you!

  • Targeteer

    Yer right! The youth of this world ARE our future. They are serious players in the game, whether or not their “vision” is taken seriously. When I was young I felt that my vision was clear: idealistic? Yes; revolutionary? No; insightful? Marginal at best.

    Now, at age 62, a retired Navy photographer & image interpretation intel analyst, I tend to be more pragmatic & dogged in my pursuit of equanimity. I find the generational, cultural, intellectual & political differences that separate me from what I consider to be mainstream thought at every level & and on every issue, from the basic acquisition & practice of socialization skills(being polite, respectful, positive & supportive) to holding informed, unbiased, nonprejudicial, inclusive & sensitive views regarding people, places, institutions & global social customs & traditions, very troublesome to me across the board & across all age groups.

    In short, citizens of the USA need a reality check as well as the ability to check their puffed up little egos at the door before opening there mouths, becoming rude & disrespectful at every turn & quarter that constitute life’s acquaintances & promises.

    If this doesn’t happen, and happen soon, I promise you that we as Earthlings will destroy ourselves through greed, misdeeds, moral debauchery, social decline, and, most important, the erosion of the values that were set forth for us in our founding documents that could & should enable us to survive a thousand years as a cohesive, positive force in the world, but instead has been plundered by misguided, poisonous ambition.

    Our “vision” now can no longer comprehend the importance, significance & contributions of the Roman Empire to our modern, Western greatness. We inherited much from this ancient society that lasted eleven hundred years with its vestiges still intact after its demise almost two thousand years ago – a distant mirror that would show us our reflection if we only cared to peer within.

    Cataract surgery is relatively simple, but we, the simple minded, spoiled children that we are may never “take the cure.” it would be nice if I could “see” it happen, but the Hell we created here on Earth will not freeze over during my lifetime.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    I couldn’t have said it better myself. Unfortunately our entire culture is fractured in multidimensional ways. The obvious yet (only slightly) less important fault line lies in cultural bounds such as race, politics, and religion etc. We have a dire problem of age-wise, time-based fracturing. The real cracks in our society that trickle down into the obvious problems are our separation between the youth and the old.

    It only takes 2 or 3 generations to completely destroy the foundation of a culture. If a generation thinks all that their parents thought was wrong, and their children do the same to them, it leaves a completely chaotic mess of youth that have no idea what is right. You could delineate people by how they connect to their past(their elders). Some (fewer and fewer now) still learn life lessons from religion, some think the religion of the state, doing whatever they say, and some still, the patriots, treat the constitution as their holy book. However for most people, the most significant way the old and the new trade words is with litigation.

    I could go on about how there are so many different ways a young person could expect to be following the right path, simply because they are learning from some elder, but there are literally endless numbers of belief systems that fracture us all.

    However, once chaos is taking over like it is now, the youth begin to notice it, and look to themselves. They create their own belief system from the ashes of the dying phoenix. What it will be like is completely unknown to anyone. This scares the shit out of the elders who can see it happening. Thus we have a mythic reality where the old and the new are literally warring with each other. If anyone is confused about the world, know that the framework we live in is this complex.

  • Targeteer

    Great reply! Thanks for responding & adding to the discussion – you’ve given me a lot of fresh fodder to satisfy my need of “food for thought.”

    I particularly enjoyed the strong points you made in the 2nd & 4th paragraphs. Although I mention the US Constitution, I do not support constitutionalism, nor do I wonder what the founding fathers would do. That to me is irrelevant. Instead, the document represents, to me, a liberal view & supports the dynamic process of change that allows our society to adapt and carry on, even though we flail madly at every juncture & endure corruption of values, laws, government & most important, the wielding & administration of power. Every American should find extremism abhorrent, even though tolerance is built into, and necessarily so, our “complex framework.” We should never treat the Constitution as a “holy book.”(well put & so true!).

    In recent decades, I would also include as “religion of the state” the pendulum swing to the right that appeals to many US citizens young & old, as they feed on it incessantly, not understanding that they are swallowing as sustenance, conservative, business as usual propaganda whose sole purpose is to keep the humble masses humble, shackled by religious servitude. BTW, I consider all religion to be a keg of dynamite with a short fuse that fuels the “chaos” you speak of.

    I consider myself one of the “elders” you mention, but I am reluctant to interface with young people in that regard. In my experience working as a volunteer in elder care programs funded through government agencies and grants, mentally & emotionally disturbed adults supported by an agency that receives their funding through private donations & grants, and now with a chapter of the Arc that provides care & services to adults who are developmentally delayed, I see an increase in societal marginalization that will impact the “Baby Boom” generation, of which I am a part, more than ever. I find your use of the word “fracturing” very relevant & astute.

    I fear what you say is so true: that youth will “look to themselves.” The intervention of adults in their lives is only tolerated if it is supportive of their transitory “needs,” which in my view only supports the “fluff” in their lives. Even the best and brightest of them seem so smug and self satisfied that it diminishes their accomplishments, and couple that with their diminished sense of trust in our country’s institutions due to our lack of will to support them ourselves, we’ve got no sense of what their “belief system” forged from “the ashes of the dying phoenix” will be like, and how, if possible, it will secure their future.

    The wars of human conflict will come to their shores as they have for every generation. Will they be prepared for, and willing to fight for what they now believe, or let themselves be swept away in the chaos of the collapse of our civilization. I fear that they will succumb – and sooner than they think, if they think anything at all.

  • Concerned U.S. Citizen

    If you are going to be hypocritical, it doesn’t hurt to try and separate it by a few paragraphs. How can you possibly claim nonprejudicial views regarding people and places and then one sentence later make a huge biased argument that all the citizens of the United States have “puffed up” egos and need “reality checks.” Perhaps you should consider that if you are going to speak out against an entire nation, you had better be sure that they all fall into your generalizations. I’m not one to be adverse to criticism I can’t help you are bordering on hate-speech. The problem isn’t that all US citizens have big egos, the problem is that people who think like you read one or two articles about a few ignorant people and then assume that they speak for the entire nation. In summation, because I don’t believe you have met all 307+ million US citizens I don’t think you’re in any place to tell us what ALL of us need to do. Yes, some of us have big egos and some of us need a reality check, but your assumptions are an ignorant and weak attempt to belittle a nation.

  • Hadrian999

    whats the point in being alive without moral debauchery?

  • Targeteer

    The hedonist, or as I prefer, Epicurean, in me tends to agree with you!

  • Targeteer

    I appreciate your reply, and assume you haven’t taken my reply to “Chaorder Gradient” out of context within the comment stream, as I double posted it unwittingly.

    That being said, I’m fairly sure it doesn’t change the broad stroke of your assessment, which I feel has value in its criticism, as my “assumptions” could and perhaps should be construed as “an ignorant and weak attempt to belittle a nation.”

    I have a lot vested in the security of our nation, and for that matter, the world as well. Indeed I hope that you are right as rain and I am wrong as hell.

  • Targeteer

    I appreciate your reply, and assume you haven’t taken my reply to “Chaorder Gradient” out of context within the comment stream, as I double posted it unwittingly.

    That being said, I’m fairly sure it doesn’t change the broad stroke of your assessment, which I feel has value in its criticism, as my “assumptions” could and perhaps should be construed as “an ignorant and weak attempt to belittle a nation.”

    I have a lot vested in the security of our nation, and for that matter, the world as well. Indeed I hope that you are right as rain and I am wrong as hell.

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