Because I Can: How This American Celebrates Osama Bin Laden’s Demise (Video)

By vulcan on May 4, 2011 in News 71

Adrian Chen on Gawker got in touch with the video’s creator:

I made this video because I felt like it represented a feeling many Americans shared regarding the brave and daring actions of our service members who tenaciously and doggedly pursued Osama Bin Laden. I feel like it represents something in the collective consciousness of America at that particular moment in time. A cathartic release.

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http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

That is an AMAZING similarity…to the way jihadists celebrate their enemies deaths. Truly…’shithead’ is a universal language.
http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

That is an AMAZING similarity…to the way jihadists celebrate their enemies deaths. Truly…’shithead’ is a universal language.
mrtastycakes

I agree with the sentiment, ATVing, flag-waving, and revolver-firing, but doing them all at the same time seems a little dangerous. Especially when you’re shooting up in the air. And when it’s windy. And when you’re probably drunk.
mrtastycakes

I agree with the sentiment, ATVing, flag-waving, and revolver-firing, but doing them all at the same time seems a little dangerous. Especially when you’re shooting up in the air. And when it’s windy. And when you’re probably drunk.
- Navysealteam7
  
  lol, maybe you should go talk to him and tell him how you feel… Of course, he probably lives in the middle of Nowhere, Arkansas, on 40+ acres of wilderness in the mountains, where the only fun thing to do some days is drive around on your ATV and shoot shit, and getting drunk is just something that happens almost on it’s own… Poor Randy, he might hurt himself
Robo Ky

I mean, who DIDN’T celebrate this way?
RoboKy

I mean, who DIDN’T celebrate this way?
Navysealteam7

Hahahaha!! Hey I think that’s my nieghbor Randy! I gotta go have a beer with that guy sometime soon ;D We’re all shitheads people, get over yourselves. We’re just animals,.. It’s that simple. Have respect for my brother Randy here, I’m sure all of you got drunk one time and did something other people thought was really effin’ childish,.. Personally I’d be lighting off some fireworks to boot. Some of the people on here seem like they’re in a nanny-state-of-mind themselves, judging every little damn detail like they got all the answers. If you do, I WANT EM! Stop hoggin’ them and start sharing Gawddamnit! I want to know EXACTLY HOW TO THINK AND FEEL ABOUT EVERYTHING!!! Write a book or something like everyone else who wants to save the world. Meanwhile, me and my boy Randy here are gonna be having a barbeque,.. Ya’ll are invited if you ever get over youselves
Navysealteam7

Hahahaha!! Hey I think that’s my nieghbor Randy! I gotta go have a beer with that guy sometime soon ;D We’re all shitheads people, get over yourselves. We’re just animals,.. It’s that simple. Have respect for my brother Randy here, I’m sure all of you got drunk one time and did something other people thought was really effin’ childish,.. Personally I’d be lighting off some fireworks to boot. Some of the people on here seem like they’re in a nanny-state-of-mind themselves, judging every little damn detail like they got all the answers. If you do, I WANT EM! Stop hoggin’ them and start sharing Gawddamnit! I want to know EXACTLY HOW TO THINK AND FEEL ABOUT EVERYTHING!!! Write a book or something like everyone else who wants to save the world. Meanwhile, me and my boy Randy here are gonna be having a barbeque,.. Ya’ll are invited if you ever get over youselves
- Guest
  
  Right on man! But wasn’t it Navy Seal Team 6?
RedHerring

Right on man! But wasn’t it Navy Seal Team 6?
Navysealteam7

lol, maybe you should go talk to him and tell him how you feel… Of course, he probably lives in the middle of Nowhere, Arkansas, on 40+ acres of wilderness in the mountains, where the only fun thing to do some days is drive around on your ATV and shoot shit, and getting drunk is just something that happens almost on it’s own… Poor Randy, he might hurt himself
Rebuaskcin

did you see the flag play defense?
Rebuaskcin

did you see the flag play defense?
Haystack

You could have posted any number videos that better represented Americans celebrating bin Laden’s death; you chose the one portraying the most jingoistic, inbred idiot you could find. You also posted the picture of the little girl holding a sign in Times Square, implying that she is being raised by violent, barbaric psychopaths. Why is it so important to you to demonize Americans for celebrating the death of a mass murderer whose organization is still actively seeking to kill innocent civilians?

Nobody is insisting that YOU celebrate bin Laden’s death. If you wish to have compassion for him as a human being, I won’t begrudge you for it. Hold a candlelight vigil if you want. However, for those of us who still feel outrage over the events of 9/11 and their far reaching impact upon the world, momentary celebration is an entirely human and legitimate response to the death of the man we hold responsible.

I’ll be the first one to say that the “War on Terror” has been one long crime against humanity; but, like it or not, America does not have a monopoly on evil. It seems that many in the left/conspiracy set are only capable of expressing outrage when it is directed at America, or the American Right, and are only capable of summoning empathy for victims of America’s crimes. The overwhelming way in which people here have immediately sought to deny, downplay, or shift responsibility for bin Laden’s crimes is disheartening.

If only a small majority of us here are willing to greet the death of Osama bin Laden as a basically good news, whether we choose to celebrate it or not, then do we really need to wonder why conservatives all think that we hate America?
Haystack

You could have posted any number videos that better represented Americans celebrating bin Laden’s death; you chose the one portraying the most jingoistic, inbred idiot you could find. You also posted the picture of the little girl holding a sign in Times Square, implying that she is being raised by violent, barbaric psychopaths. Why is it so important to you to demonize Americans for celebrating the death of a mass murderer whose organization is still actively seeking to kill innocent civilians?

Nobody is insisting that YOU celebrate bin Laden’s death. If you wish to have compassion for him as a human being, I won’t begrudge you for it. Hold a candlelight vigil if you want. However, for those of us who still feel outrage over the events of 9/11 and their far reaching impact upon the world, momentary celebration is an entirely human and legitimate response to the death of the man we hold responsible.

I’ll be the first one to say that the “War on Terror” has been one long crime against humanity; but, like it or not, America does not have a monopoly on evil. It seems that many in the left/conspiracy set are only capable of expressing outrage when it is directed at America, or the American Right, and are only capable of summoning empathy for victims of America’s crimes. The overwhelming way in which people here have immediately sought to deny, downplay, or shift responsibility for bin Laden’s crimes is disheartening.

If only a small majority of us here are willing to greet the death of Osama bin Laden as a basically good news, whether we choose to celebrate it or not, then do we really need to wonder why conservatives all think that we hate America?
- Hadrian999
  
  I think you are missing the point, I don’t see many people being sorry he is dead but in the end his death is nothing but a PR stunt, it achieves nothing. Killing him doesn’t get any of his followers to lay down arms. it doesn’t make civilians in Afghanistan any safer from being killed by allied or Taliban attacks. killing him did make him a martyr and will probably increase recruitment. killing him in Pakistan will probably increase anti democracy pro Taliban sentiment in the tribal areas and among conservatives in the country and make it impossible for the Pakistan government to do anything that will be perceived as pro western, all in all nothing worth celebrating happened.
  - Haystack
    
    No, I understand that his death achieves little in a big picture sort of way. I just see it as welcome justice for the people he killed.
    
    As for any backlash, we can’t let that dictate whether or not we protect our citizens. It’s much riskier to send the message that we’re too afraid of retribution to punish those who murder Americans.
    
    The torture, military occupations and such have certainly been immoral and counterproductive. Bin Laden’s killing is, in my opinion, one of the very few things we’ve done in response to 9/11 which was justified.
    - Hadrian999
      
      how did the act of killing him make protect anyone?
      - Haystack
        
        By preventing him from killing anyone else.
        
        That is not to imply that it had to be death–If he could have been captured, put on trial, and imprisoned for life, then he ought to have been.
        Is it your argument that we shouldn’t have taken any action against him for fear of a jihadi backlash?
      - Hadrian999
        
        that is not what i mean, but what is the use of a meaningless action that has no tangible benefits and may have the effect of totally cutting us off from a one time ally? there were much smarter things that could have been done that would have had positive effects without the silly action movie set up.
Prof. J Randall

Douche bag. I’m inclined to celebrate when he is violently murdered.
DrDavidKelly

Douche bag. I’m inclined to celebrate when he is violently murdered.
Kronos2400

Yeah and right there is the problem.
DrDavidKelly

Yeah and right there is the problem.
Jackedu317

celebrating anyone’s death is pretty fucked up… and i think we’re only animals if we keep treating eachother like animals… besides the fact that his death changes NOTHING but the way dumb people feel about Obama… sorry, i tell it like i see it…
Jackedu317

celebrating anyone’s death is pretty fucked up… and i think we’re only animals if we keep treating eachother like animals… besides the fact that his death changes NOTHING but the way dumb people feel about Obama… sorry, i tell it like i see it…
- Navysealteam7
  
  No,.. we’re animals. We just have fantasies that were something different. And who has the appropriate definition to whats, “fucked up?” I think that varies from person to person. You fucked up SOB ;D
  - http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient
    
    The first stage of evolution which humans did a LONG time ago, is cultural separation. We are culturally separate from animals, and thats why we can say that we are different from them. The new realization of darwinism has brought people back to the idea that we are synonymous with the rest of the animals, but in reality, the “fantasy” that we are separate from them is a self-fulfilling prophecy
    
    Now everything is fucked up, we forgot that we are separate but care for the animals… we now have 2 polarities one screaming “we are animals, do like an animal does” and the other screaming “no we’re not, animals are weak in mind and base.” We have forgotten to love that which is different than us.
    - Navysealteam7
      
      Just because we have more brain matter we can work with and the fact that we have opposable thumbs doesn’t mean we are inherently different from other creatures such as dogs. We still eat, shit, play, hump and continually spend most of our time doing these same things that other mammals do, just in our own manner. Someone smarter than me made the statement, “culture is just the result of genes and geography.” It’s taken me awhile to appreciate the content of that simple sentance but I’m in almost total agreement with it.
      I think having more brain matter to work with and the fact that I have opposable thumbs gives me the option of becoming something more than just a simple humanimal but that’s based off my willingness to practice becoming a ‘something more’ consistently, whatever that particular endevour may be.
      I think most people are bored though and just use their thumbs and extra gray matter for pointing fingers and finding faults in others without using them otherwise
      - http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient
        
        You just don’t get it, Like a squirrel is (i know i’m stretching the word) culturally different from insects, we are culturally different from the squirrel. Just because if we so choose, we can just run around eat stuff, screw things, shit, and play as the end-all-be-all of our lives, many (I hesitate to say “most” nowadays..) choose to do something else with their lives. Just because you can name a few differences and claim that is all that is different between us and animals, does not make it so.
        
        Maybe its easier for you to think that you are “just an animal” but you will continually get screwed over by those that know quite the opposite. Alternatively having that thought in your mind puts you on the other side of a highly dividing cultural boundary, where you cannot fathom what is more than simply being “just an animal”. Imagine what you’re kids, or their kids will be like raised generation after generation of thinking they are “just an animal”. It is a taboo phrase not taught in schools yet the other necessary side of the coin to evolution: Devolution.
        
        And people wonder what exactly the “mark of the beast” means…
      - Navysealteam7
        
        Hahaha! Gotta love the fight you got for your cause man, you remind me of a Preacher.
        
        What I’m saying but you’re not understanding is that culture is just a by product of imagination wrapped up in our biology contrasting against our current location on this rock we call planet earth. Culture is just something we invented to pass time, it has no real value, other than what we ascribe to it.
        
        I think you’ve devolved yourself quite successfully believing you have a uniqueness about you that is somehow special and different. Your choice man.
        
        Real power, or awareness, comes through realizing we are just a type of animal, and then getting over it. Personally, I think if we were raised in light of this information we wouldn’t have such a hard time trying to fit in or adjust to our environment. This belief that we are something special is what is keeping us back from really, “Growing up” and the reason why we’ve already devolved ourselves to a point of pathetic pacifism. The ones who know and accept their ‘animal’ heritage seem to excell and undermine those who won’t and those that want to live in a dream-land where everyone is equal and has a special purpose.. Let the sheep the eat grass.
        
        Culture is just the by-product of a strange beast, eating, shitting, humping, playing, and destroying things in his environment. Like a bacteria culture, people’s culture is just the fungus that grows on the shit of that person’s inherited or collected ways of moving through the world, from birth to death. The way you eat, shit and hump doesn’t amount to anything, what you do in the world, MIGHT though.
        
        If you wanna play in feces though and believe it’s special, then go ahead man. Monkey’s love playing with their own shit and throwing it around at eachother, have fun
      - http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient
        
        It seems we’re arguing some of the same points, and I don’t want us to be at each other’s throats about it.
        You seem to have turned it around a bit though. You were the one originally saying we are just animals, but the mere realization that we are animals sets us apart as you have said: the real power and awareness. That is part of what does set us apart from the animals (human-like, non humans). This is the uniqueness, specialness, and difference that you are saying takes me back. The understanding brings us up. Its not that I believe we have some sot of divine rite, but that our cultural idea (a meme) that we are different, frankly makes us different. This does not happen in reality within the simple realization of the idea. It comes with generations of this belief.
        These things do however have important consequences. Just like we have the taboo of bestiality, those elitists based on genetics, find breeding with “lesser” humans equally bad, if not worse. They frankly have the genuine belief that they are of a separate and superior race, and they have completely severed ties with the “lesser” humans culturally. Do you know what Nazism was really about?
        Culture is the human vector for evolution. I was not clear on this enough earlier I suppose, but there is a common tendency among the majority to stick to their own culture, breed, and multiply that culture. This is what I am talking about when I say cultural separation is the first step toward evolution.
      - Navysealteam7
        
        Wow,.. That 1st sentance in that last paragraph made me realize who I am talking to. Fling poo monkey, lol. If you really believe culture is in any way related to ‘evolution’ then I don’t need to argue further, you definitely have your own idea of what the word means. But I will for fun
        
        You’re really just lazy about it and like your own definitions and terms, which is natural for animals to like things in their personal fashion. But just because you’ve adapted to something does it mean your in control of yourself, it means you can follow orders. You have to WORK at it, and through this work you can achieve more, but your still a fucking animal sir, lol.
        
        Until we have creative people who can WORK out new technologies that can change our DNA structure or add mechanized, cyborg-like enhancements will we be any really much different. And even then, we’ll just be a stranger creature in and of itself. There’s no real rules here.
        
        By learning to RELAX into our animal nature can we thereby free up some more of this awareness and if we have the Will, put it to WORK for ourselves. But this in an individual effort, that’s why culture is NOT relative. By choosing to relax into our nature, we can gather power and get more work done.
        
        Words like culture, memes, nazi, just give us things for our minds to chew on but don’t really get anything done. Just because you know alot of words you can throw around, doesn’t mean you know anything or have learned something. And understanding all this DOES NOT bring us up in any way, but the belief that it does keeps us from working anything out because we believe we already have the reward of understanding a SOMETHING. The awareness just gives us the option of becoming a ‘more-than’ humanimal, lol.
        
        Your first sentance in that last paragraph stated your position quite clear though, and I don’t feel any further need to relate on this subject matter when frankly, we’re not in the same ball park. Believing your something special is the little leagues.. Does mommy still pack a lunch for you?
      - http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient
        
        Meh. Evolution is a concept that requires you to think in larger time scales. Some people don’t like to, thats okay. Apparently large words like culture are meaningless? I don’t know, you’re definitely right that we’re in completely different ballparks… Normally I enjoy discussions with people who think differently than me, but its clear you’re not going to be very entertaining. I’m out. Enjoy existence.
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Blah

RT: As the US and US-based media has reported, Osama Bin Laden was killed at point-blank range, then buried at sea. Does this seem strange to you, and how would you explain it?

Maksim Shevchenko: The US ruling elite and society is in a craze over religion and mysticism. Even if Americans deny that, claiming that their state is secular, the semantics of having the man labeled “the world’s most wanted terrorist” buried at sea tell us that vulgar, fundamentally protestant mysticism still dominates the US psyche. All kinds of American priests and preachers, especially those in the dispensationalist branch, have compared Osama to a beast, emerging from the sea and called Islam the religion of the antichrist.
The ritualistic meaning of burying Osama at sea – if it was in fact Osama and not just another poor nameless soul murdered by the Americans – is therefore interpreted in that line of thinking as the beast’s return to the sea. The US is fundamentalist to a degree when this kind of vulgar mysticism defines on the subconscious level where the US military machine will go. It is a country full of Freemason lodges, spiritualist communities and protestant churches. That is why this nation’s actions, sentences and executions are packaged to have a mystical flavor.

RT: Young people are celebrating Osama’s death outside the White House and all across the US. Why are they celebrating?

MS: What do we care about US youngsters? They celebrate when their favorite baseball team wins. They celebrate the royal wedding in Britain. They cheer when they see the American flag. They weep when a pop star of a TV anchor dies. The joy and tears of these young people are deeply manipulated. The US society is controlled by the media. It is a deeply totalitarian society.
What’s funny is that they don’t understand that Bin Laden was just a figurehead. A myth made up by Republican fundamentalists to justify their goal of taking over the world.
Obama destroyed this myth today in order to reverse the American scenarios – to bring troops out of Afghanistan.

http://rt.com/news/bin-laden-us-myth/
Blah

RT: As the US and US-based media has reported, Osama Bin Laden was killed at point-blank range, then buried at sea. Does this seem strange to you, and how would you explain it?

Maksim Shevchenko: The US ruling elite and society is in a craze over religion and mysticism. Even if Americans deny that, claiming that their state is secular, the semantics of having the man labeled “the world’s most wanted terrorist” buried at sea tell us that vulgar, fundamentally protestant mysticism still dominates the US psyche. All kinds of American priests and preachers, especially those in the dispensationalist branch, have compared Osama to a beast, emerging from the sea and called Islam the religion of the antichrist.
The ritualistic meaning of burying Osama at sea – if it was in fact Osama and not just another poor nameless soul murdered by the Americans – is therefore interpreted in that line of thinking as the beast’s return to the sea. The US is fundamentalist to a degree when this kind of vulgar mysticism defines on the subconscious level where the US military machine will go. It is a country full of Freemason lodges, spiritualist communities and protestant churches. That is why this nation’s actions, sentences and executions are packaged to have a mystical flavor.

RT: Young people are celebrating Osama’s death outside the White House and all across the US. Why are they celebrating?

MS: What do we care about US youngsters? They celebrate when their favorite baseball team wins. They celebrate the royal wedding in Britain. They cheer when they see the American flag. They weep when a pop star of a TV anchor dies. The joy and tears of these young people are deeply manipulated. The US society is controlled by the media. It is a deeply totalitarian society.
What’s funny is that they don’t understand that Bin Laden was just a figurehead. A myth made up by Republican fundamentalists to justify their goal of taking over the world.
Obama destroyed this myth today in order to reverse the American scenarios – to bring troops out of Afghanistan.

http://rt.com/news/bin-laden-us-myth/
- Liam_McGonagle
  
  You put a lot on the plate there. Not sure I got it all. But do I understand you right to think that you believe Obama’s gonna be announcing a pull out from Afghanistan soon?
  
  I’d like to believe that, but given Fumblenutz-in-Chiefs profound ability to f*ck up every advantage he’s been given so far, if not outright betray the agenda he purported to have during 2008, I very much doubt that’ll be happening anytime soon. Oh I’d agree that it SHOULD happen–I just have zero faith in his ability or willingness to actually do it.
Markov Cheney

This is the most American video I will ever see, ever.
Markov Cheney

This is the most American video I will ever see, ever.
Gregory

Yeah…wow. That’s a proud Uhmurkan.

I like the touch where the flag is trying to get in his face so he can’t see where he’s shooting. An omen?
Gregory

Yeah…wow. That’s a proud Uhmurkan.

I like the touch where the flag is trying to get in his face so he can’t see where he’s shooting. An omen?
Gregory

Yeah…wow. That’s a proud Uhmurkan.

I like the touch where the flag is trying to get in his face so he can’t see where he’s shooting. An omen?
- quartz99
  
  I know, right? And the way he shoved it aside as an annoyance as soon as it got in his way, even though the whole point of the video was “flag waving rah rah rah!” was telling. The whole video is a great (if unintentional) metaphor for the last several years of US policy and politics.
Darthtim23

What an absolute knob.
Darthtim23

What an absolute knob.
Navysealteam7

No,.. we’re animals. We just have fantasies that were something different. And who has the appropriate definition to whats, “fucked up?” I think that varies from person to person. You fucked up SOB ;D
Hadrian999

I think you are missing the point, I don’t see many people being sorry he is dead but in the end his death is nothing but a PR stunt, it achieves nothing. Killing him doesn’t get any of his followers to lay down arms. it doesn’t make civilians in Afghanistan any safer from being killed by allied or Taliban attacks. killing him did make him a martyr and will probably increase recruitment. killing him in Pakistan will probably increase anti democracy pro Taliban sentiment in the tribal areas and among conservatives in the country and make it impossible for the Pakistan government to do anything that will be perceived as pro western, all in all nothing worth celebrating happened.
Anonymous

I know, right? And the way he shoved it aside as an annoyance as soon as it got in his way, even though the whole point of the video was “flag waving rah rah rah!” was telling. The whole video is a great (if unintentional) metaphor for the last several years of US policy and politics.
Liam_McGonagle

You put a lot on the plate there. Not sure I got it all. But do I understand you right to think that you believe Obama’s gonna be announcing a pull out from Afghanistan soon?

I’d like to believe that, but given Fumblenutz-in-Chiefs profound ability to f*ck up every advantage he’s been given so far, if not outright betray the agenda he purported to have during 2008, I very much doubt that’ll be happening anytime soon. Oh I’d agree that it SHOULD happen–I just have zero faith in his ability or willingness to actually do it.
Elmyr23

even the american flag is trying to stop this idiot
Elmyr23

even the american flag is trying to stop this idiot
Elmyr23

even the american flag is trying to stop this idiot
http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

The first stage of evolution which humans did a LONG time ago, is cultural separation. We are culturally separate from animals, and thats why we can say that we are different from them. The new realization of darwinism has brought people back to the idea that we are synonymous with the rest of the animals, but in reality, the “fantasy” that we are separate from them is a self-fulfilling prophecy

Now everything is fucked up, we forgot that we are separate but care for the animals… we now have 2 polarities one screaming “we are animals, do like an animal does” and the other screaming “no we’re not, animals are weak in mind and base.” We have forgotten to love that which is different than us.
Haystack

No, I understand that his death achieves little in a big picture sort of way. I just see it as welcome justice for the people he killed.

As for any backlash, we can’t let that dictate whether or not we protect our citizens. It’s much riskier to send the message that we’re too afraid of retribution to punish those who murder Americans.

The torture, military occupations and such have certainly been immoral and counterproductive. Bin Laden’s killing is, in my opinion, one of the very few things we’ve done in response to 9/11 which was justified.
Hadrian999

how did the act of killing him make protect anyone?
Haystack

By preventing him from killing anyone else.

That is not to imply that it had to be death–If he could have been captured, put on trial, and imprisoned for life, then he ought to have been.
Is it your argument that we shouldn’t have taken any action against him for fear of a jihadi backlash?
CeleryGeneral

I have to confess I’ve watched this at least 4 or 5 times now and find it hilarious, although it is ignorant. My favorite part is at 0:29.
Anonymous

I have to confess I’ve watched this at least 4 or 5 times now and find it hilarious, although it is ignorant. My favorite part is at 0:29.
Hadrian999

that is not what i mean, but what is the use of a meaningless action that has no tangible benefits and may have the effect of totally cutting us off from a one time ally? there were much smarter things that could have been done that would have had positive effects without the silly action movie set up.
Navysealteam7

Just because we have more brain matter we can work with and the fact that we have opposable thumbs doesn’t mean we are inherently different from other creatures such as dogs. We still eat, shit, play, hump and continually spend most of our time doing these same things that other mammals do, just in our own manner. Someone smarter than me made the statement, “culture is just the result of genes and geography.” It’s taken me awhile to appreciate the content of that simple sentance but I’m in almost total agreement with it.
I think having more brain matter to work with and the fact that I have opposable thumbs gives me the option of becoming something more than just a simple humanimal but that’s based off my willingness to practice becoming a ‘something more’ consistently, whatever that particular endevour may be.
I think most people are bored though and just use their thumbs and extra gray matter for pointing fingers and finding faults in others without using them otherwise
http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

You just don’t get it, Like a squirrel is (i know i’m stretching the word) culturally different from insects, we are culturally different from the squirrel. Just because if we so choose, we can just run around eat stuff, screw things, shit, and play as the end-all-be-all of our lives, many (I hesitate to say “most” nowadays..) choose to do something else with their lives. Just because you can name a few differences and claim that is all that is different between us and animals, does not make it so.

Maybe its easier for you to think that you are “just an animal” but you will continually get screwed over by those that know quite the opposite. Alternatively having that thought in your mind puts you on the other side of a highly dividing cultural boundary, where you cannot fathom what is more than simply being “just an animal”. Imagine what you’re kids, or their kids will be like raised generation after generation of thinking they are “just an animal”. It is a taboo phrase not taught in schools yet the other necessary side of the coin to evolution: Devolution.

And people wonder what exactly the “mark of the beast” means…
Navysealteam7

Hahaha! Gotta love the fight you got for your cause man, you remind me of a Preacher.

What I’m saying but you’re not understanding is that culture is just a by product of imagination wrapped up in our biology contrasting against our current location on this rock we call planet earth. Culture is just something we invented to pass time, it has no real value, other than what we ascribe to it.

I think you’ve devolved yourself quite successfully believing you have a uniqueness about you that is somehow special and different. Your choice man.

Real power, or awareness, comes through realizing we are just a type of animal, and then getting over it. Personally, I think if we were raised in light of this information we wouldn’t have such a hard time trying to fit in or adjust to our environment. This belief that we are something special is what is keeping us back from really, “Growing up” and the reason why we’ve already devolved ourselves to a point of pathetic pacifism. The ones who know and accept their ‘animal’ heritage seem to excell and undermine those who won’t and those that want to live in a dream-land where everyone is equal and has a special purpose.. Let the sheep the eat grass.

Culture is just the by-product of a strange beast, eating, shitting, humping, playing, and destroying things in his environment. Like a bacteria culture, people’s culture is just the fungus that grows on the shit of that person’s inherited or collected ways of moving through the world, from birth to death. The way you eat, shit and hump doesn’t amount to anything, what you do in the world, MIGHT though.

If you wanna play in feces though and believe it’s special, then go ahead man. Monkey’s love playing with their own shit and throwing it around at eachother, have fun
http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

It seems we’re arguing some of the same points, and I don’t want us to be at each other’s throats about it.
You seem to have turned it around a bit though. You were the one originally saying we are just animals, but the mere realization that we are animals sets us apart as you have said: the real power and awareness. That is part of what does set us apart from the animals (human-like, non humans). This is the uniqueness, specialness, and difference that you are saying takes me back. The understanding brings us up. Its not that I believe we have some sot of divine rite, but that our cultural idea (a meme) that we are different, frankly makes us different. This does not happen in reality within the simple realization of the idea. It comes with generations of this belief.
These things do however have important consequences. Just like we have the taboo of bestiality, those elitists based on genetics, find breeding with “lesser” humans equally bad, if not worse. They frankly have the genuine belief that they are of a separate and superior race, and they have completely severed ties with the “lesser” humans culturally. Do you know what Nazism was really about?
Culture is the human vector for evolution. I was not clear on this enough earlier I suppose, but there is a common tendency among the majority to stick to their own culture, breed, and multiply that culture. This is what I am talking about when I say cultural separation is the first step toward evolution.
http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

It seems we’re arguing some of the same points, and I don’t want us to be at each other’s throats about it.
You seem to have turned it around a bit though. You were the one originally saying we are just animals, but the mere realization that we are animals sets us apart as you have said: the real power and awareness. That is part of what does set us apart from the animals (human-like, non humans). This is the uniqueness, specialness, and difference that you are saying takes me back. The understanding brings us up. Its not that I believe we have some sot of divine rite, but that our cultural idea (a meme) that we are different, frankly makes us different. This does not happen in reality within the simple realization of the idea. It comes with generations of this belief.
These things do however have important consequences. Just like we have the taboo of bestiality, those elitists based on genetics, find breeding with “lesser” humans equally bad, if not worse. They frankly have the genuine belief that they are of a separate and superior race, and they have completely severed ties with the “lesser” humans culturally. Do you know what Nazism was really about?
Culture is the human vector for evolution. I was not clear on this enough earlier I suppose, but there is a common tendency among the majority to stick to their own culture, breed, and multiply that culture. This is what I am talking about when I say cultural separation is the first step toward evolution.
Navysealteam7

Wow,.. That 1st sentance in that last paragraph made me realize who I am talking to. Fling poo monkey, lol. If you really believe culture is in any way related to ‘evolution’ then I don’t need to argue further, you definitely have your own idea of what the word means. But I will for fun

You’re really just lazy about it and like your own definitions and terms, which is natural for animals to like things in their personal fashion. But just because you’ve adapted to something does it mean your in control of yourself, it means you can follow orders. You have to WORK at it, and through this work you can achieve more, but your still a fucking animal sir, lol.

Until we have creative people who can WORK out new technologies that can change our DNA structure or add mechanized, cyborg-like enhancements will we be any really much different. And even then, we’ll just be a stranger creature in and of itself. There’s no real rules here.

By learning to RELAX into our animal nature can we thereby free up some more of this awareness and if we have the Will, put it to WORK for ourselves. But this in an individual effort, that’s why culture is NOT relative. By choosing to relax into our nature, we can gather power and get more work done.

Words like culture, memes, nazi, just give us things for our minds to chew on but don’t really get anything done. Just because you know alot of words you can throw around, doesn’t mean you know anything or have learned something. And understanding all this DOES NOT bring us up in any way, but the belief that it does keeps us from working anything out because we believe we already have the reward of understanding a SOMETHING. The awareness just gives us the option of becoming a ‘more-than’ humanimal, lol.

Your first sentance in that last paragraph stated your position quite clear though, and I don’t feel any further need to relate on this subject matter when frankly, we’re not in the same ball park. Believing your something special is the little leagues.. Does mommy still pack a lunch for you?
http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

Meh. Evolution is a concept that requires you to think in larger time scales. Some people don’t like to, thats okay. Apparently large words like culture are meaningless? I don’t know, you’re definitely right that we’re in completely different ballparks… Normally I enjoy discussions with people who think differently than me, but its clear you’re not going to be very entertaining. I’m out. Enjoy existence.
Guest

hahahahaha what a douche you think the death of one man is going to stop terrorism? America made terrorism worse when we invaded and killed innocent people. terrorist attacks have gone up. Fuck this nonsense about the “War on Terror” its all bullshit. lies being fed to the brainwashed zombies that watch T.V. and participate in american elections. nothing we say matters and what every we can say is being watched and some times taken out of public eye. i really dont care who you are if your an american patriot i have know feelings for you what so ever. have a nice day assholes
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when i was a child i didnt play with guns and carry an american flag around