Jim Marrs On Obama And Osama

JimMarrsLet me get this straight:

A super-secret U.S. team of death-dealing operatives claims to have killed an unarmed Osama bin Laden and killed or wounded about two dozen other people in Pakistan, a nation with which we are not at war (yet), then dumped his body into the ocean saying it was custom in his homeland of Saudi Arabia—a predominately desert country—and without any objective forensics performed.

Even though several Congressmen have stated publicly that they were shown photos of the dead Osama which turned out to be fakes, the Government now tells us that this was all a victory, a great achievement and everything is now okay, although the fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya continues, as does the lethal Corexit spraying of the Gulf and the ongoing spewing of deadly radiation from the Fukushima reactors.

Despite all the celebrating over this proclaimed “achievement” over Bin Laden and his terrorists, there has been no talk of doing away with the odious Patriot Act, the Real ID Act, the Military Commissions Act or any of the other Constitution-shredding legislation rammed through a cowed and cowardly Congress and a stupefied public.

One last thought (for now): If he wasn’t armed, why didn’t they capture Osama, bring him back to stand a fair trial and prove to the world that he was behind 9/11 and that the U.S. does not pursue assassination but justice? Of course, you and I both know the answer to that one: Osama’s been dead since 2001!

Jim Marrs is the New York Times-bestselling author of Rule By Secrecy, The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy, Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy and Above Top Secret. His next book, The Terror Conspiracy Revisited: What Really Happened On 9/11, And Why We’re Still Paying The Price, will include more commentary and information on the unanswered questions surrounding the death of Osama bin Laden.

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  • Anonymous

    Amen.

  • CeleryGeneral

    Amen.

    • spartacuzzle

      Type your comment here.Mr. Marrs may believe some questionable things, but the thing that stands out most on this page is the reactionary responses. Isn’t it the point of sites like Disinfo to question the official story? Let’s also acknowledge that the official story has changed at least 4 or 5 times since Sunday. Let’s also acknowledge that Bin Laden’s death has no bearing on the fact that our government has used the threat of terrorist attack(statistically thousands of times less likely to be an actual threat than being hit by lightning) to destroy the Constitutional rights supposedly garaunteed by our government? Seems to me people are really dumb or really cowardly. At least Mr Marrs has the cojones to ask some real questions.

      • http://twitter.com/dcuo_red_rose Red Rose

        I hope more of you ppl. wake up, and soon. One more false flag, and we will all be in the middle of WW3

        • Anonymous_Reader

          May I make a prediction. I hope I am wrong: 9-11 version 2.0 will be a nuke in Washington DC. Obama will be martyred (“birthers” become irrelevant). Much of civilian government infrastructure destroyed. Martial law. Get on the bus. Get in the cattle car. Repeat history.

          • ArgosyJones

            It would almost be worth it if I could watch the tinfoil hat brigade marched onto the cattle cars.

          • Anonymous_Reader

            You’ll be marched there too, if you are a “useless eater” (Kissinger’s term).

            I’ve been trying to find some tin foil for my hat, but all I can find is aluminum. Conspiracy!

            Don’t worry. This is America. It can’t happen here.

  • emperorreagan

    I don’t see why killing the bogey man now makes sense. The whole Obama approval rating and birther issue blowing up in Obama’s face that dr. pieczenik gave as a reason is a silly, absurd reason to kill the bogey man now. Of all of the politically expedient times that Bush Jr or Obama could have trotted this, they do it now?

  • emperorreagan

    I don’t see why killing the bogey man now makes sense. The whole Obama approval rating and birther issue blowing up in Obama’s face that dr. pieczenik gave as a reason is a silly, absurd reason to kill the bogey man now. Of all of the politically expedient times that Bush Jr or Obama could have trotted this out, they do it now?

    • JoiquimCouteau

      Might have something to do with the taliban’s announcement the day before of the start of their ‘spring offensive’. This way it can be played off as ‘retaliation’ when it would’ve happened anyway.

      • emperorreagan

        Also doesn’t make sense, because the Taliban routinely announces offensives.

        It only makes sense as it’s posed (as far as I can see), if it is followed up with an enormous false-flag attack to end up clamping down more on civil liberties. In a pragmatic, wag the dog sort of way, it makes no sense at all.

        • JoiquimCouteau

          Right, but last week 400 of them escaped from prison. And it’s not a ‘false flag attack’, it’s simply saying what people want to hear.

          • emperorreagan

            This is also not the first time a bunch of Taliban members have escaped from prison. And even if this was the first time, it still doesn’t make sense to waste your bogey man on that – like you said, it was going to happen either way and the incompetence of the Afghan jailers is to blame. That’s not something you cash a high value political chip in on.

            And by enormous false flag attack, I meant that Osama’s execution would be used as a prelude to a retaliatory “terrorist attack” in the US or Europe on par or larger than 9-11. That’s the only way it makes sense for the government to kill their imaginary bogey man now (if you’re operating under the premise that he’s been dead for 10 years with the government’s knowledge).

  • Anonymous

    Might have something to do with the taliban’s announcement the day before of the start of their ‘spring offensive’. This way it can be played off as ‘retaliation’ when it would’ve happened anyway.

  • conspiracy theory inquiry

    Wow no one ever said burial at sea was part of Islamic or Saudi Arabian custom. The tradition they were referring to was the wrapping of the body in a white cloth and possibly reciting some kind of Islamic prayer before the body was sunk into the water.

    Marrs hasn’t seen the photographs that the congressmen saw so how can he say they were fakes? Even if they were fakes how would this hack know? A photograph of someone with a part of their skull blow through might not be recognizable to the untrained eye. The release of such a photograph may just raise more questions and inflame Islamic extremist groups. While Bin Laden’s own supporters (some of the most skeptical and distrusting of claims by the United States), are acknowledging his death, why is it so difficult for for anyone else to believe?

    Although he was unarmed Bin Laden did not surrender which one could argue would have been grounds for his capture. Osama Bin Laden was not a U.S. citizen but a admitted terrorist who claimed responsibility for 9/11 as well as other surprise attacks on civilians and non-combatants. He essentially already plead guilty to these attacks. In the U.S. court system an admission of guilt does not automatically warrant an execution but as I said this man was not a U.S. citizen and he wasn’t even in his own country. What right did he have to a trial?

  • conspiracy theory inquiry

    Wow no one ever said burial at sea was part of Islamic or Saudi Arabian custom. The tradition they were referring to was the wrapping of the body in a white cloth and possibly reciting some kind of Islamic prayer before the body was sunk into the water.

    Marrs hasn’t seen the photographs that the congressmen saw so how can he say they were fakes? Even if they were fakes how would this hack know? A photograph of someone with a part of their skull blow through might not be recognizable to the untrained eye. The release of such a photograph may just raise more questions and inflame Islamic extremist groups. While Bin Laden’s own supporters (some of the most skeptical and distrusting of claims by the United States), are acknowledging his death, why is it so difficult for for anyone else to believe?

    Although he was unarmed Bin Laden did not surrender which one could argue would have been grounds for his capture. Osama Bin Laden was not a U.S. citizen but a admitted terrorist who claimed responsibility for 9/11 as well as other surprise attacks on civilians and non-combatants. He essentially already plead guilty to these attacks. In the U.S. court system an admission of guilt does not automatically warrant an execution but as I said this man was not a U.S. citizen and he wasn’t even in his own country. What right did he have to a trial?

    • http://twitter.com/BoomBriggs Al Briggs

      the white house admitted those were fakes, and have not released the pictures.

    • Nbjay2000

      Bin Ladden NEVER claimed responsability for 9-11…. The US Government said he was the mastermind behind it all.,… Why is it that he was never on the FBI’s most wanted list for the 9-11 terrorist acts. He was wanted for other attecks but not 9-11.

    • ArgosyJones

      I might add that the relevant custom was quick burial –within 24hrs. I’m not sure why conspiracy theorists can’t get this right. Steve Coll discusses this in the book ‘the bin ladens’ chronicling the rags to riches story of the family.

      • quartz99

        Exactly. And they sent him into the ocean because no country that it might have been appropriate to send his corpse wanted him. Sure, it’s convenient for them that they can’t get to the body anymore. I doubt they tried too hard to convince any of the countries to take him either. But taking advantage of the situation is not the same thing as proof of a conspiracy. And if they hadn’t respected muslim custom in burial it would have caused a lot more problems for us abroad than respecting it will cause at home. So I think I can pretty safely say I would have done the same.

  • chinagreenelvis

    This is insanely ignorant.

    “If he wasn’t armed, why didn’t they capture Osama…”

    All reports so far have indicated that Bin Laden used a rifle and took part in the firefight, even using a woman as a human shield before being taken out. Perhaps you should actually read the reports before you begin touting conspiracy theories?

  • chinagreenelvis

    This is insanely ignorant.

    “If he wasn’t armed, why didn’t they capture Osama…”

    All reports so far have indicated that Bin Laden used a rifle and took part in the firefight, even using a woman as a human shield before being taken out. Perhaps you should actually read the reports before you begin touting conspiracy theories?

    • chinagreenelvis

      I take it back, apparently there are reports coming out now that say he was unarmed. That serves as supporting evidence that this really did happen.

      Even still, common sense would say that if this operation took place, they wouldn’t be admitting such a thing. If the U.S. was going to concoct a story to “fake” the death of Bin Laden, they would be pretty silly to make that detail part of the official report.

      The only conspiracy that can possibly hold water at this point is that Bin Laden was indeed not responsible for the actions of the September 11th terrorists. Whether or not that accusation is asinine is anyone’s call.

      • conspiracy theory inquiry

        Bin Laden and his organization, Al Quada, admitted responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. How is that a conspiracy?

        • chinagreenelvis

          The only reason we think that Bin Laden and his organization admitted responsibility for the 9/11 attacks is because of what worldwide media organizations have released to the public. The authenticity of the tapes in which Bin Laden has been disputed.

          That being said, I see no reason to even suspect that our government is lying to us in this case. You can’t suggest that the government might be lying with nothing to substantiate it. If you do, your suggestion is completely arbitrary. It’s like trying to argue for the possibility of God. What would make you even consider a thing such as God in the first place apart from your own imagination? Likewise, what is there to suggest that this is a coverup?

          On the one extreme, we have a public that will believe anything it sees, hears, or reads. Instead, what we should be asking of any information that comes our way is how well we can verify it. Unless information arises that explicitly suggests or infers in some way that the first information is a direct fabrication or lie, I see no reason to bend to the other extreme.

      • superfluous

        one possibility with regards to the unarmed story is that it doesn’t make it a “heroic last stand with guns blazing” for osama, demoralizing those who would romanticize the deaths of “martyrs” (and be tempted to join their ranks at the prospect of dying “honorably”).

        though i suppose a certain risk assessment might
        be involved, choosing between a “dishonorable” execution and a “courageous” firefight,
        i don’t think we can
        verify/discredit this story solely on the basis of a single piece of narrative circumstance.

    • Mr.Thinker

      You know what’s insanely ignorant, believing everything you read. If all you know is what you have read, then you know nothing.

      • conspiracy theory inquiry

        If that’s the case then how do you know anything about this? You weren’t there so you also must rely on the information of others.

        • Mr.Thinker

          Where did I say I knew anything about this? That was the whole point, none of us knows shit.

          • chinagreenelvis

            By whittling away the notion that anybody can know anything, you whittle away your own article, your own argument, and your whole purpose in speaking to begin with.

          • Mr.Thinker

            What article? What argument? All I made was a statement. What do you know of my purpose for speaking? I once knew a man who knew a lot, it turns out everything he knew was wrong.

          • chinagreenelvis

            My mistake, I thought you were the author when I posted that. Had he been the one making the comment, it would have been highly irregular.

          • MrPINKi

            All of you are mad, none of this is real. We live in the matrix and the spoon isn’t really there. Swallow the blue pill and wake up sheeple.

          • Mr.Thinker

            No kidding. Does it sound like I think any of this is real?

          • Tom

            Don’t believe everything you see in a mainstream Hollywood action blockbuster designed to cash in on pre-milenial tension.

            Use of “sheeple” on Disinfo = instant fail

      • chinagreenelvis

        I would sooner believe that which I have read than believe that which I have never read.

        • Mr.Thinker

          I am not sure how you can believe in something you have never read. Do you not need an exchange of information before you decide if you believe that information? Experiences, on the other hand, are easily believable, no reading required.

          • chinagreenelvis

            People believe that the man killed on Sunday was a fake, but there are no reports that suggest he was. Therefore, they believe something they have never read. People believe things that come from their own imaginations all the time without any real-world genesis to produce those ideas.

          • Mr. Thinker

            I see what your getting at. I believe we all want to know the truth, it’s just so damn hard.

    • sonicbphuct

      perhaps you can read german, because I can’t find an english equivalent:

      http://blogs.sueddeutsche.de/schaltzentrale/2011/05/04/ach-nee-doch-nicht/

      There you can see the MISinformation being given out by our very own government. If you can’t read German, well, I guess you’ll be left insanely ignorant.

      • Anonymous_Reader

        Google Chrome (my favorite browser) translated it.

    • Seand

      Those reports were proven to be inacurate. The GOV itself said that. The truth is, he was NOT using his wife as a shield, as the SEALs shot her in the leg when she lunged for them. Osama was UNARMED. The excuse of “he may have had a suicide vest on” is void because the same excuse could have been used for the wife.

  • chinagreenelvis

    I take it back, apparently there are reports coming out now that say he was unarmed. That serves as supporting evidence that this really did happen.

    Even still, common sense would say that if this operation took place, they wouldn’t be admitting such a thing. If the U.S. was going to concoct a story to “fake” the death of Bin Laden, they would be pretty silly to make that detail part of the official report.

    The only conspiracy that can possibly hold water at this point is that Bin Laden was indeed not responsible for the actions of the September 11th terrorists. Whether or not that accusation is asinine is anyone’s call.

  • chinagreenelvis

    I take it back, apparently there are reports coming out now that say he was unarmed. That serves as supporting evidence that this really did happen.

    Even still, common sense would say that if this operation took place, they wouldn’t be admitting such a thing. If the U.S. was going to concoct a story to “fake” the death of Bin Laden, they would be pretty silly to make that detail part of the official report.

    The only conspiracy that can possibly hold water at this point is that Bin Laden was indeed not responsible for the actions of the September 11th terrorists. Whether or not that accusation is asinine is anyone’s call.

  • Mr.Thinker

    You know what’s insanely ignorant, believing everything you read. If all you know is what you have read, then you know nothing.

  • conspiracy theory inquiry

    Bin Laden and his organization, Al Quada, admitted responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. How is that a conspiracy?

  • conspiracy theory inquiry

    If that’s the case then how do you know anything about this? You weren’t there so you also must rely on the information of others.

  • conspiracy theory inquiry

    If that’s the case then how do you know anything about this? You weren’t there so you also must rely on the information of others.

  • Gjqlong

    Dead since 2001? Are you serious? DNA 99.5% accurate. I guess it MIGHT not have been him. Probably a lot of 6 plus footers looking just like him hanging out in fancy compounds with a ton of kids and his own wife I guess. But really, it’s pretty solid science isn’t it? Objective point of view would mean nothing. I’m sure the results and pics will eventually leak to the net anyway. If it weren’t him don’t you think a video or audio by him would have been released? As far as catching him goes. That would be just more problems for the U.S. just giving them more reason to do more crazy shit. Ask 100 American citizens what they would have done in this exact situation and well over 95% would have blown him away too. One on one armed or not. Liberal or not. He’s done. Orders or not. This seems pretty simple to me.

    I agree that all the other stuff should end and should have never been in the first place. Don’t forget what genius got us into that though.

  • Gjqlong

    Dead since 2001? Are you serious? DNA 99.5% accurate. I guess it MIGHT not have been him. Probably a lot of 6 plus footers looking just like him hanging out in fancy compounds with a ton of kids and his own wife I guess. But really, it’s pretty solid science isn’t it? Objective point of view would mean nothing. I’m sure the results and pics will eventually leak to the net anyway. If it weren’t him don’t you think a video or audio by him would have been released? As far as catching him goes. That would be just more problems for the U.S. just giving them more reason to do more crazy shit. Ask 100 American citizens what they would have done in this exact situation and well over 95% would have blown him away too. One on one armed or not. Liberal or not. He’s done. Orders or not. This seems pretty simple to me.

    I agree that all the other stuff should end and should have never been in the first place. Don’t forget what genius got us into that though.

    • CeleryGeneral

      Hmm.. your argument would be flawless if it did not assume everything you heard was true. How do you know the DNA was accurate? Pretty solid science, I think not. And you also contradict yourself by stating what the author believes, which is that he has been dead since 2001, yet you ask ”
      If it weren’t him don’t you think a video or audio by him would have been released?” Again, I’m curious as to how you believe it is even OBL releasing the videos or audio, as opposed to somebody else releasing old footage to make us think he is still alive. So, no, to answer your question, OBL wouldn’t release any more footage to let us know he was alive because it has not been released by him all along, I suspect. I don’t know for sure, just like you don’t. And going by the public’s response after OBL’s alleged death, I doubt 95% of Americans “would have blown him away.”

      • chinagreenelvis

        Why would anyone have reason to believe that it might not have been Osama Bin Laden?

        • De Carabas

          Credibility. When a person who has lied to you countless times tells you something that they think makes themselves look very good, especially during a time when your opinion of them is very low, you would do well to fact check everything they say. When they then tell you that they destroyed the evidence of their claims except for this one test that they have the results from but cannot be repeated…. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me enough times and I’ll check the sky if you tell me its blue.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EAPUJHWIYQJWKN7HUCSCVHKVTQ David Meadows

            hmm

          • chinagreenelvis

            Inclination to question all information is not the same thing as reason to believe the information is false. It’s like the difference between an atheist and an atheist: One of them does not believe there is a god, the other believes that there is no god.

            I ask again: What reason would anyone have to believe that it might not have been Osama Bin Laden? If you have no specific evidence that points even remotely to that exact conclusion, the idea itself is arbitrary.

            Say I have a friend who works for the Pakistani government, and that friend has told me that he knows a guy who looks like Bin Laden and has been pretending to be him and he shows me a copy of a government memo that states it. Now I have reason to believe that the man who was killed on Sunday might have been a fake.

            Extraordinary claims require extraordinary support. Questioning our government on their claim is one thing, but suggesting any alternate string of events can only come from your imagination.

          • Simiantongue

            “I ask again: What reason would anyone have to believe that it might not
            have been Osama Bin Laden? If you have no specific evidence that points
            even remotely to that exact conclusion, the idea itself is arbitrary.”

            I would like to agree with this premise as your overall post is arguing for something I agree with. But honesty compels me to ask about the above quoted from you.

            Isn’t that asking someone to prove a negative? Since you used the atheist analogy I’ll put it this way. A theist says “There is a god”. The atheist says “prove it”. Now the onus is on the theist to prove their assertion with evidence as they are the one making the claim, if they cannot prove it then there is no good reason for the atheist to believe their assertion that there is a god.

            Now if we take that reasoning and apply it to this situation, as you tried to do. The government says “We’ve killed Bin laden last weekend”. Someone asks “Prove it”. The onus is now on the government to prove their assertion with evidence, if they cannot then there is no good reason for someone to believe their assertion.

            A theist might claim the existence of a god by saying “You can’t prove there isn’t a god”

            You’ve actually pulled the same thing in the quote above by saying that the government is telling the truth simply because “You have no evidence they didn’t kill Bin Laden”.

            In that argument it’s not arbitrary at all. The onus is on the one making the claim to provide the evidence.

            Now if someone wishes to go beyond merely not accepting the governments account because they believe there is not enough evidence. Lets say they further claim “Bin Laden was killed in 2001″ THEN the onus is now on them to prove that assertion. Where is the evidence to support that assertion.

            “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary support. Questioning our
            government on their claim is one thing, but suggesting any alternate
            string of events can only come from your imagination.”

            I’d agree with this partially. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Questioning our government on their claim is one thing, but suggesting any alternate string of events requires evidence. Lets say that the government has not proved sufficiently to someone that thier narrative is true. That’s fine. But insufficent evidence for the government does not give credence to alternative narrative. Absence of evidence for narrative “A”, s not evidence that narrative “B” is true.

            To put it another way. Even if narrative A is false
            , you’ve still got all your work ahead of you to prove narrative B.

      • Gjqlong

        Silly Celery, you missed my smirk when I typed the “I guess it MIGHT” geez. I thought it was pretty straight forward with the following sentence. I understand your wanting to question everything and all. This just seems to be not that big of a conspiracy creating sort of thing though. I suppose you saw the video released showing the 2010 Obama in the background with him sitting in front if the TV then right? Seriously, I understand your wanting to not believe things reported. Please remember though, at least in general, that’s what reporting is all about. I know lies can and are told which end up reported as truth, but the guys dead, they just killed him It’s admitted by EVERYONE. Minus Pakistan. But that’s for another thread. What else can you really say?

        Lastly, your doubt about the 95% “blowing him away” was correct. I’m sorry for spewing an guesstimate without all facts behind it. It was just that. An educated guess. I wasn’t really THAT far off though. The poll I just read said about 80. But, I suppose you can’t believe any poll that you didn’t do yourself. A report by reporters just can’t be true. Why would it?

    • Gjqlong

      Hey Celery, just saw it was 80% sorry, I was a little off. My bad. Oh, and the science is to accurate. But I guess I’ll just keep saying that everything is a lie till official documents are released. Why would any ever tell us the truth.

    • Neums1

      How about asking 100 Americans how to spell Osama bin Laden.

  • http://twitter.com/Boom_Briggs Al Briggs

    the white house admitted those were fakes, and have not released the pictures.

  • Dbenge947

    You sir are a moron, seriously you are the first person I have read say that the operatives “killed or wounded about two dozen other people”. While I believe that it is ridiculous that hey will not show us pictures of bin Laden I think it is twice as ridiculous that you honestly believe that this man has been dead since 2001 and for some reason they decide to fake this mission that involved a wide array of people on some random May day in 2011, just for the hell of it, right?

  • Dbenge947

    You sir are a moron, seriously you are the first person I have read say that the operatives “killed or wounded about two dozen other people”. While I believe that it is ridiculous that hey will not show us pictures of bin Laden I think it is twice as ridiculous that you honestly believe that this man has been dead since 2001 and for some reason they decide to fake this mission that involved a wide array of people on some random May day in 2011, just for the hell of it, right?

  • http://twitter.com/Boom_Briggs Al Briggs
  • Simiansink

    “Let me get this straight.”

    You didn’t.

  • Simiansink

    “Let me get this straight.”

    You didn’t.

  • kevingt

    Coo-coo! Coo-coo! Take off the tin foil-lined hat, old man. “Osama’s been dead since 2001″ Osama has released videos periodically that reference specific events that are happening at that time, well after 2001. Now unless he used his magic crystal ball to foresee the future and make a whole stack of videos about events that were to happen in the future, then you sir, are a proven nutcase. Osama may not have been armed at the time but it was reported that he was going for a gun (which he kept several in the room). It wouldn’t be surprising that Osama had a gun nearby since he ALWAYS had a gun on or near him in almost all photos and videos.

    And the killing of bin Laden had nothing to do with Iraq or Libya, and barely anything to do with Afghanistan. True, the war in Afghanistan was started because of Osama but he left years ago and the US is currently fighting the Taliban extremists in Afghanistan, not al Queda. Iraq was a Bush lie that had nothing to do with Osama but that is winding down. Libya is merely a NATO mission where we fire a few missiles and send in a few drones to prevent Gaddafi from blowing his own people to smithereens. We are not involved in a war there per se since we have committed no combat troops to there. Very little of what you say makes sense except in conspiracy theory circles.

    • CeleryGeneral

      Would you mind posting some of those videos of OBL that mention current events here so I can see? I’ve tried looking them up, but have only found audio releases which have not been confirmed to be the voice of OBL.

    • JoiquimCouteau

      His son watched those videos and said it was not his father. How hard do you think it is to find other men in the middle east who look like bin-laden?

      • Masomystic

        It really amazes me the stupidity of this disinformation population. Just when I think Americans might have a chance to get their country back i read these message boards and realize, they are far more fucking gone then they could ever imagnie.

        • JoiquimCouteau

          Thank allah we have people like you, then

  • kevingt

    Coo-coo! Coo-coo! Take off the tin foil-lined hat, old man. “Osama’s been dead since 2001″ Osama has released videos periodically that reference specific events that are happening at that time, well after 2001. Now unless he used his magic crystal ball to foresee the future and make a whole stack of videos about events that were to happen in the future, then you sir, are a proven nutcase. Osama may not have been armed at the time but it was reported that he was going for a gun (which he kept several in the room). It wouldn’t be surprising that Osama had a gun nearby since he ALWAYS had a gun on or near him in almost all photos and videos.

    And the killing of bin Laden had nothing to do with Iraq or Libya, and barely anything to do with Afghanistan. True, the war in Afghanistan was started because of Osama but he left years ago and the US is currently fighting the Taliban extremists in Afghanistan, not al Queda. Iraq was a Bush lie that had nothing to do with Osama but that is winding down. Libya is merely a NATO mission where we fire a few missiles and send in a few drones to prevent Gaddafi from blowing his own people to smithereens. We are not involved in a war there per se since we have committed no combat troops to there. Very little of what you say makes sense except in conspiracy theory circles.

  • Anonymous

    Hmm.. your argument would be flawless if it did not assume everything you heard was true. How do you know the DNA was accurate? Pretty solid science, I think not. And you also contradict yourself by stating what the author believes, which is that he has been dead since 2001, yet you ask ”
    If it weren’t him don’t you think a video or audio by him would have been released?” Again, I’m curious as to how you believe it is even OBL releasing the videos or audio, as opposed to somebody else releasing old footage to make us think he is still alive. So, no, to answer your question, OBL wouldn’t release any more footage to let us know he was alive because it has not been released by him all along, I suspect. I don’t know for sure, just like you don’t. And going by the public’s response after OBL’s alleged death, I doubt 95% of Americans “would have blown him away.”

  • emperorreagan

    Also doesn’t make sense, because the Taliban routinely announces offensives.

    It only makes sense as it’s posed (as far as I can see), if it is followed up with an enormous false-flag attack to end up clamping down more on civil liberties. In a pragmatic, way the dog sort of way, it makes no sense at all.

  • emperorreagan

    Also doesn’t make sense, because the Taliban routinely announces offensives.

    It only makes sense as it’s posed (as far as I can see), if it is followed up with an enormous false-flag attack to end up clamping down more on civil liberties. In a pragmatic, way the dog sort of way, it makes no sense at all.

  • Hadrian999

    Marrs is entertaining but man does he go off the rails sometime, try reading his book “rule by secrecy” is like a conspiracy unified field theory

  • Hadrian999

    Marrs is entertaining but man does he go off the rails sometime, try reading his book “rule by secrecy” is like a conspiracy unified field theory

  • spartacuzzle

    Type your comment here.Mr. Marrs may believe some questionable things, but the thing that stands out most on this page is the reactionary responses. Isn’t it the point of sites like Disinfo to question the official story? Let’s also acknowledge that the official story has changed at least 4 or 5 times since Sunday. Let’s also acknowledge that Bin Laden’s death has no bearing on the fact that our government has used the threat of terrorist attack(statistically thousands of times less likely to be an actual threat than being hit by lightning) to destroy the Constitutional rights supposedly garaunteed by our government? Seems to me people are really dumb or really cowardly. At least Mr Marrs has the cojones to ask some real questions.

  • superfluous

    one possibility with regards to the unarmed story is that it doesn’t make it a “heroic last stand with guns blazing” for osama, demoralizing those who would romanticize the deaths of “martyrs” (and be tempted to join their ranks at the prospect of dying “honorably”).

    though i suppose a certain risk assessment might
    be involved, choosing between a “dishonorable” execution and a “courageous” firefight,
    i don’t think we can
    verify/discredit this story solely on the basis of a single piece of narrative circumstance.

  • superfluous

    one possibility with regards to the unarmed story is that it doesn’t make it a “heroic last stand with guns blazing” for osama, demoralizing those who would romanticize the deaths of “martyrs” (and be tempted to join their ranks at the prospect of dying “honorably”).

    though i suppose a certain risk assessment might
    be involved, choosing between a “dishonorable” execution and a “courageous” firefight,
    i don’t think we can
    verify/discredit this story solely on the basis of a single piece of narrative circumstance.

  • Nunzio X

    All we “know” is…

    …well, hell. I don’t guess we “know” anything except what we’ve been told.

    Jessica Lynch got “rescued” and Pat Tillman was “killed by the enemy.”
    Remember that bullshit?

    Why anyone feels compelled to believe anything they hear or see anywhere is beyond me, especially in this day and age.

  • Anonymous

    Would you mind posting some of those videos of OBL that mention current events here so I can see? I’ve tried looking them up, but have only found audio releases which have not been confirmed to be the voice of OBL.

  • Anonymous

    Would you mind posting some of those videos of OBL that mention current events here so I can see? I’ve tried looking them up, but have only found audio releases which have not been confirmed to be the voice of OBL.

  • John Myers

    Oh so this was just a fake white house press release? I didn’t know it was that easy. Too bad Bush didn’t think to do one when he was president.

  • Nunzio X

    All we “know” is…

    …well, hell. I don’t guess we “know” anything except what we’ve been told.

    Jessica Lynch got “rescued” and Pat Tillman was “killed by the enemy.”
    Remember that bullshit?

    Why anyone feels compelled to believe anything they hear or see anywhere is beyond me, especially in this day and age.

    • Laws456

      This is what I say. All the idiots on tv and radio are publicly executing those who don’t go along with the official story and chanting USA. A nation of idiots.

  • John Myers

    Oh so this was just a fake white house press release? I didn’t know it was that easy. Too bad Bush didn’t think to do one when he was president.

  • Nbjay2000

    Bin Ladden NEVER claimed responsability for 9-11…. The US Government said he was the mastermind behind it all.,… Why is it that he was never on the FBI’s most wanted list for the 9-11 terrorist acts. He was wanted for other attecks but not 9-11.

  • Nbjay2000

    Bin Ladden NEVER claimed responsability for 9-11…. The US Government said he was the mastermind behind it all.,… Why is it that he was never on the FBI’s most wanted list for the 9-11 terrorist acts. He was wanted for other attecks but not 9-11.

  • http://profiles.google.com/devanate Deva O’Donnell

    He hasn’t been dead since 2001, because he never existed in the first place.

  • http://profiles.google.com/devanate Deva O’Donnell

    He hasn’t been dead since 2001, because he never existed in the first place.

  • http://profiles.google.com/devanate Deva O’Donnell

    He hasn’t been dead since 2001, because he never existed in the first place.

    • sonicbphuct

      Osama Goldstein – and don’t forget to be extra angry during the 3 minute hate today! Also, @google-fcc9758ddee3945a70f601dec142ad9d:disqus , you’re off to the ministry of love soon if you keep repeating non-truths about unpeople!

    • MrPINKi

      Right, because he was our Emmanuel Goldstein. Sorry, that’s a tough one to swallow and highly doubtful.

  • Mr.Thinker

    Where did I say I knew anything about this? That was the whole point, none of us knows shit.

  • Anonymous

    Right, but last week 400 of them escaped from prison. And it’s not a ‘false flag attack’, it’s simply saying what people want to hear.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    His son watched those videos and said it was not his father. How hard do you think it is to find other men in the middle east who look like bin-laden?

  • http://twitter.com/dcuo_red_rose Red Rose

    I hope more of you ppl. wake up, and soon. One more false flag, and we will all be in the middle of WW3

  • superfluous

    if it means not invading the entire effin planet then to hell with justice and lets give this assassination concept one more day in court.

    either that, or bring 1 million (?) dead afghans over for a fair, post mortem trial.

    “prove to the world” … right…

  • superfluous

    if it means not invading the entire effin planet then to hell with justice and lets give this assassination concept one more day in court.

    either that, or bring 1 million (?) dead afghans over for a fair, post mortem trial.

    “prove to the world” … right…

  • ArgosyJones

    I might add that the relevant custom was quick burial –within 24hrs. I’m not sure why conspiracy theorists can’t get this right. Steve Coll discusses this in the book ‘the bin ladens’ chronicling the rags to riches story of the family.

  • chinagreenelvis

    By whittling away the notion that anybody can know anything, you whittle away your own article, your own argument, and your whole purpose in speaking to begin with.

  • chinagreenelvis

    By whittling away the notion that anybody can know anything, you whittle away your own article, your own argument, and your whole purpose in speaking to begin with.

  • chinagreenelvis

    By whittling away the notion that anybody can know anything, you whittle away your own article, your own argument, and your whole purpose in speaking to begin with.

  • chinagreenelvis

    The only reason we think that Bin Laden and his organization admitted responsibility for the 9/11 attacks is because of what worldwide media organizations have released to the public. The authenticity of the tapes in which Bin Laden has been disputed.

    That being said, I see no reason to even suspect that our government is lying to us in this case. You can’t suggest that the government might be lying with nothing to substantiate it. If you do, your suggestion is completely arbitrary. It’s like trying to argue for the possibility of God. What would make you even consider a thing such as God in the first place apart from your own imagination? Likewise, what is there to suggest that this is a coverup?

    On the one extreme, we have a public that will believe anything it sees, hears, or reads. Instead, what we should be asking of any information that comes our way is how well we can verify it. Unless information arises that explicitly suggests or infers in some way that the first information is a direct fabrication or lie, I see no reason to bend to the other extreme.

  • chinagreenelvis

    I would sooner believe that which I have read than believe that which I have never read.

  • snojob

    There is a reason this website is named Disinformation and you sir, just made it all the more disinformational.

  • snojob

    There is a reason this website is named Disinformation and you sir, just made it all the more disinformational.

  • Guest

    No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11

    The Muckraker Report, June 6, 2006, and Ithaca Journal, June 29, 2006

    Title: “FBI says, ‘No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11’”

    Author: Ed Haas

    http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

    Student Researcher: Bianca May and Morgan Ulery

    Faculty Evaluator: Ben Frymer, Ph.D.

    Osama bin Laden’s role in the events of September 11, 2001 is not mentioned on the FBI’s

    “Ten Most Wanted” poster.

  • Anonymous

    No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11

    The Muckraker Report, June 6, 2006, and Ithaca Journal, June 29, 2006

    Title: “FBI says, ‘No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11’”

    Author: Ed Haas

    http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

    Student Researcher: Bianca May and Morgan Ulery

    Faculty Evaluator: Ben Frymer, Ph.D.

    Osama bin Laden’s role in the events of September 11, 2001 is not mentioned on the FBI’s

    “Ten Most Wanted” poster.

  • chinagreenelvis

    Why would anyone have reason to believe that it might not have been Osama Bin Laden?

  • Sonicbphuct

    Osama Goldstein – and don’t forget to be extra angry during the 3 minute hate today! Also, @google-fcc9758ddee3945a70f601dec142ad9d:disqus , you’re off to the ministry of love soon if you keep repeating non-truths about unpeople!

  • Sonicbphuct

    perhaps you can read german, because I can’t find an english equivalent:

    http://blogs.sueddeutsche.de/schaltzentrale/2011/05/04/ach-nee-doch-nicht/

    There you can see the MISinformation being given out by our very own government. If you can’t read German, well, I guess you’ll be left insanely ignorant.

  • emperorreagan

    This is also not the first time a bunch of Taliban members have escaped from prison. And even if this was the first time, it still doesn’t make sense to waste your bogey man on that – like you said, it was going to happen either way and the incompetence of the Afghan jailers is to blame. That’s not something you cash a high value political chip in on.

    And by enormous false flag attack, I meant that Osama’s execution would be used as a prelude to a retaliatory “terrorist attack” in the US or Europe on par or larger than 9-11. That’s the only way it makes sense for the government to kill their imaginary bogey man now (if you’re operating under the premise that he’s been dead for 10 years with the government’s knowledge).

  • Alien with an Agenda!

    This might be a little more credible if it came from somebody other than Jim Marrs, read any of the books he wrote, seriously a fun read, but if you think its real you need to set down the crack pipe and check yourself into a mental hospital.

  • Alien with an Agenda!

    This might be a little more credible if it came from somebody other than Jim Marrs, read any of the books he wrote, seriously a fun read, but if you think its real you need to set down the crack pipe and check yourself into a mental hospital.

  • De Carabas

    Credibility. When a person who has lied to you countless times tells you something that they think makes themselves look very good, especially during a time when your opinion of them is very low, you would do well to fact check everything they say. When they then tell you that they destroyed the evidence of their claims except for this one test that they have the results from but cannot be repeated…. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me enough times and I’ll check the sky if you tell me its blue.

  • De Carabas

    Credibility. When a person who has lied to you countless times tells you something that they think makes themselves look very good, especially during a time when your opinion of them is very low, you would do well to fact check everything they say. When they then tell you that they destroyed the evidence of their claims except for this one test that they have the results from but cannot be repeated…. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me enough times and I’ll check the sky if you tell me its blue.

  • Anonymous

    Google Chrome (my favorite browser) translated it.

  • Anonymous

    May I make a prediction. I hope I am wrong: 9-11 version 2.0 will be a nuke in Washington DC. Obama will be martyred (“birthers” become irrelevant). Much of civilian government infrastructure destroyed. Martial law. Get on the bus. Get in the cattle car. Repeat history.

  • Mr.Thinker

    What article? What argument? All I made was a statement. What do you know of my purpose for speaking? I once knew a man who knew a lot, it turns out everything he knew was wrong.

  • Mr.Thinker

    I am not sure how you can believe in something you have never read. Do you not need an exchange of information before you decide if you believe that information? Experiences, on the other hand, are easily believable, no reading required.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. And they sent him into the ocean because no country that it might have been appropriate to send his corpse wanted him. Sure, it’s convenient for them that they can’t get to the body anymore. I doubt they tried too hard to convince any of the countries to take him either. But taking advantage of the situation is not the same thing as proof of a conspiracy. And if they hadn’t respected muslim custom in burial it would have caused a lot more problems for us abroad than respecting it will cause at home. So I think I can pretty safely say I would have done the same.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EAPUJHWIYQJWKN7HUCSCVHKVTQ David Meadows

    hmm

  • MrPINKi

    Bringing Osama back for a trial would have been a huge waist of time and tax payers money. You think Saddams trial was bad. Imagine all of the lawyers involved and jurors, they would’ve been asassinated one at a time. Wheather he died in 2001 or 2011, the fucker is dead, good lets move one. And so what if there’s no proof if he was connected to 9/11, he obvioulsy is a terrorist and admits to that with every video he put out. He was a waist of flesh, good ridens. I hope he’s burning in hell with his 72 virgin demons ripping his ass apart. OBL=POS

  • MrPINKi

    Bringing Osama back for a trial would have been a huge waist of time and tax payers money. You think Saddams trial was bad. Imagine all of the lawyers involved and jurors, they would’ve been asassinated one at a time. Wheather he died in 2001 or 2011, the fucker is dead, good lets move one. And so what if there’s no proof if he was connected to 9/11, he obvioulsy is a terrorist and admits to that with every video he put out. He was a waist of flesh, good ridens. I hope he’s burning in hell with his 72 virgin demons ripping his ass apart. OBL=POS

  • MrPINKi

    Right, because he was our Emmanuel Goldstein. Sorry, that’s a tough one to swallow and highly doubtful.

  • Seand

    Those reports were proven to be inacurate. The GOV itself said that. The truth is, he was NOT using his wife as a shield, as the SEALs shot her in the leg when she lunged for them. Osama was UNARMED. The excuse of “he may have had a suicide vest on” is void because the same excuse could have been used for the wife.

  • Jim

    Who is going to be the next spook for the USA?

  • Jim

    Who is going to be the next spook for the USA?

  • MrPINKi

    All of you are mad, none of this is real. We live in the matrix and the spoon isn’t really there. Swallow the blue pill and wake up sheeple.

  • MrPINKi

    With what most people on this thread believe or don’t believe, why on earth even turn your computer on or your TV for that matter. Nothing is real and nothing can be verified, unless your superman and can fly anywhere in the world to verify it for yourself. What a web we weave when we conspire to deceive.

  • MrPINKi

    With what most people on this thread believe or don’t believe, why on earth even turn your computer on or your TV for that matter. Nothing is real and nothing can be verified, unless your superman and can fly anywhere in the world to verify it for yourself. What a web we weave when we conspire to deceive.

  • ArgosyJones

    It would almost be worth it if I could watch the tinfoil hat brigade marched onto the cattle cars.

  • Mr.Thinker

    No kidding. Does it sound like I think any of this is real?

  • Anonymous

    You’ll be marched there too, if you are a “useless eater” (Kissinger’s term).

    I’ve been trying to find some tin foil for my hat, but all I can find is aluminum. Conspiracy!

    Don’t worry. This is America. It can’t happen here.

  • http://newdruidexpress.blogspot.com Symbollocks The Druid

    C’mon there now, Jim. I hate to be the spoiler, but it’s pretty clear that this is all to gin up attention for the Sunday release of your new book: “Conspiracy Culture Hits Home: Your Mama Don’t Love You and You Were Adopted”.

  • http://newdruidexpress.blogspot.com Symbollocks The Druid

    C’mon there now, Jim. I hate to be the spoiler, but it’s pretty clear that this is all to gin up attention for the Sunday release of your new book: “Conspiracy Culture Hits Home: Your Mama Don’t Love You and You Were Adopted”.

  • chinagreenelvis

    Inclination to question all information is not the same thing as reason to believe the information is false. It’s like the difference between an atheist and an atheist: One of them does not believe there is a god, the other believes that there is no god.

    I ask again: What reason would anyone have to believe that it might not have been Osama Bin Laden? If you have no specific evidence that points even remotely to that exact conclusion, the idea itself is arbitrary.

    Say I have a friend who works for the Pakistani government, and that friend has told me that he knows a guy who looks like Bin Laden and has been pretending to be him and he shows me a copy of a government memo that states it. Now I have reason to believe that the man who was killed on Sunday might have been a fake.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary support. Questioning our government on their claim is one thing, but suggesting any alternate string of events can only come from your imagination.

  • chinagreenelvis

    My mistake, I thought you were the author when I posted that. Had he been the one making the comment, it would have been highly irregular.

  • chinagreenelvis

    People believe that the man killed on Sunday was a fake, but there are no reports that suggest he was. Therefore, they believe something they have never read. People believe things that come from their own imaginations all the time without any real-world genesis to produce those ideas.

  • Mr. Thinker

    I see what your getting at. I believe we all want to know the truth, it’s just so damn hard.

  • Simiantongue

    “I ask again: What reason would anyone have to believe that it might not
    have been Osama Bin Laden? If you have no specific evidence that points
    even remotely to that exact conclusion, the idea itself is arbitrary.”

    I would like to agree with this premise as your overall post is arguing for something I agree with. But honesty compels me to ask about the above quoted from you.

    Isn’t that asking someone to prove a negative? Since you used the atheist analogy I’ll put it this way. A theist says “There is a god”. The atheist says “prove it”. Now the onus is on the theist to prove their assertion with evidence as they are the one making the claim, if they cannot prove it then there is no good reason for the atheist to believe their assertion that there is a god.

    Now if we take that reasoning and apply it to this situation, as you tried to do. The government says “We’ve killed Bin laden last weekend”. Someone asks “Prove it”. The onus is now on the government to prove their assertion with evidence, if they cannot then there is no good reason for someone to believe their assertion.

    A theist might claim the existence of a god by saying “You can’t prove there isn’t a god”

    You’ve actually pulled the same thing in the quote above by saying that the government is telling the truth simply because “You have no evidence they didn’t kill Bin Laden”.

    In that argument it’s not arbitrary at all. The onus is on the one making the claim to provide the evidence.

    Now if someone wishes to go beyond merely not accepting the governments account because they believe there is not enough evidence. Lets say they further claim “Bin Laden was killed in 2001″ THEN the onus is now on them to prove that assertion. Where is the evidence to support that assertion.

    “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary support. Questioning our
    government on their claim is one thing, but suggesting any alternate
    string of events can only come from your imagination.”

    I’d agree with this partially. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Questioning our government on their claim is one thing, but suggesting any alternate string of events requires evidence. Lets say that the government has not proved sufficiently to someone that thier narrative is true. That’s fine. But insufficent evidence for the government does not give credence to alternative narrative. Absence of evidence for narrative “A”, s not evidence that narrative “B” is true.

    To put it another way. Even if narrative A is false
    , you’ve still got all your work ahead of you to prove narrative B.

  • Jahopson Tx

    First, Jim, I’m on your side. But “our” side HAS to be the one to tell the truth as accurately as possible and not use spins or disinformation to color it our way. The “burial” rule was a religious one that states that the deceased must be buried within 24 hours (of course it was all BS to start with – our guys don’t give a shit whether or not we follow Muslim protocall for burial!). It wasn’t that he be dumped in the sea – but that he be buried in 24 hours post-death. I personally lean to the side that he died years ago – there seems to be no proof, but I smelled a rat as soon as I saw Obama’s speech telling us bin Laden had been killed. I’m not buying it.

  • Jahopson Tx

    First, Jim, I’m on your side. But “our” side HAS to be the one to tell the truth as accurately as possible and not use spins or disinformation to color it our way. The “burial” rule was a religious one that states that the deceased must be buried within 24 hours (of course it was all BS to start with – our guys don’t give a shit whether or not we follow Muslim protocall for burial!). It wasn’t that he be dumped in the sea – but that he be buried in 24 hours post-death. I personally lean to the side that he died years ago – there seems to be no proof, but I smelled a rat as soon as I saw Obama’s speech telling us bin Laden had been killed. I’m not buying it.

  • kevingt

    Let’s see, the Navy Seals are going to use one of their most secret weapons, a stealth helicopter, on a secret mission that never really happened? Bin Laden’s wives are going to make statements about their dead husband in 2011 that you say actually died in 2001? We leave a trail of bodies at the compound (bin Laden’s courier, his son, etc) all as an elaborate ruse?

    The stealth helicopter that malfunctioned and had to be blown up was one of the military’s most guarded secrets. It had been rumored but never confirmed – until now! Now everyone who has wanted to make similar equipment has just been given a big boost and you say it’s fake? A stealth helicopter was one of the holy grails of military technology – a way to baffle the sound making it hard to detect directionally, a way to elude radar detection, a way to quiet the engine, etc. Now we have video of kids and adults picking up the parts of this technology which will no doubt be on the way to China soon.

    Why would the Obama and the Navy Seals put their reputation on the line for a ruse? All Osama would have to do is to show his face to disprove he was killed. But then again, you claim he was killed in 2001. Why wouldn’t Bush have just done the same thing to boost his legacy. That was one of the biggest failures of his presidency – in addition to starting an unjustified war in Iraq based on lies and deception. If bin Laden had really died in 2001, then Bush could have done the same thing at any point in the next 7 years to show his righteousness. Bush lived for this shit. “Mission Accomplished”? You’re definitely in tin-foil hat territory if you think Osama died in 2001.

    • Jahopson Tx

      No one (not me, anyway) is saying that a raid involving Navy Seals and stealth helicopters didn’t occur. I am just aware of too many conflicting stories about what’s going on here and no side is “proving” anything. There is Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik’s statements that are pretty damning. Several top officials over the years have presumed him dead long ago. WAS bin Laden really SICK at all? In these newly released videos he looks just as healthy as he did in 2001 in his camo coat and gray beard 10 YRS AGO! (yes, that was 2001!) If he was NOT sick then WHO’S LIE was that?? If sick, then was it it Marfan Syndrome?? Was it diabetes? Was it failing kidneys? DID he have dialysis a few times a week?? How is he still living?? None of this is making sense and I am NOT a “BELIEVER” (i.e. Those who believe everyrthing their gov’t tells them, its what they do, they believe and do not question. They are any government’s FAVORITE citizens) I have to ask, I am not gullible. I don’t even trust much of the “Truthers” movements because EVERYONE is spreading spins and disinformation to color it their own way.

  • kevingt

    Let’s see, the Navy Seals are going to use one of their most secret weapons, a stealth helicopter, on a secret mission that never really happened? Bin Laden’s wives are going to make statements about their dead husband in 2011 that you say actually died in 2001? We leave a trail of bodies at the compound (bin Laden’s courier, his son, etc) all as an elaborate ruse?

    The stealth helicopter that malfunctioned and had to be blown up was one of the military’s most guarded secrets. It had been rumored but never confirmed – until now! Now everyone who has wanted to make similar equipment has just been given a big boost and you say it’s fake? A stealth helicopter was one of the holy grails of military technology – a way to baffle the sound making it hard to detect directionally, a way to elude radar detection, a way to quiet the engine, etc. Now we have video of kids and adults picking up the parts of this technology which will no doubt be on the way to China soon.

    Why would the Obama and the Navy Seals put their reputation on the line for a ruse? All Osama would have to do is to show his face to disprove he was killed. But then again, you claim he was killed in 2001. Why wouldn’t Bush have just done the same thing to boost his legacy. That was one of the biggest failures of his presidency – in addition to starting an unjustified war in Iraq based on lies and deception. If bin Laden had really died in 2001, then Bush could have done the same thing at any point in the next 7 years to show his righteousness. Bush lived for this shit. “Mission Accomplished”? You’re definitely in tin-foil hat territory if you think Osama died in 2001.

  • Tom

    Don’t believe everything you see in a mainstream Hollywood action blockbuster designed to cash in on pre-milenial tension.

    Use of “sheeple” on Disinfo = instant fail

  • Masomystic

    It really amazes me the stupidity of this disinformation population. Just when I think Americans might have a chance to get their country back i read these message boards and realize, they are far more fucking gone then they could ever imagnie.

  • Anonymous

    Thank allah we have people like you, then

  • Gjqlong

    Hey Celery, just saw it was 80% sorry, I was a little off. My bad. Oh, and the science is to accurate. But I guess I’ll just keep saying that everything is a lie till official documents are released. Why would any ever tell us the truth.

  • Gjqlong

    Hey Celery, just saw it was 80% sorry, I was a little off. My bad. Oh, and the science is to accurate. But I guess I’ll just keep saying that everything is a lie till official documents are released. Why would any ever tell us the truth.

  • Jahopson Tx

    No one (not me, anyway) is saying that a raid involving Navy Seals and stealth helicopters didn’t occur. I am just aware of too many conflicting stories about what’s going on here and no side is “proving” anything. There is Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik’s statements that are pretty damning. Several top officials over the years have presumed him dead long ago. WAS bin Laden really SICK at all? In these newly released videos he looks just as healthy as he did in 2001 in his camo coat and gray beard 10 YRS AGO! (yes, that was 2001!) If he was NOT sick then WHO’S LIE was that?? If sick, then was it it Marfan Syndrome?? Was it diabetes? Was it failing kidneys? DID he have dialysis a few times a week?? How is he still living?? None of this is making sense and I am NOT a “BELIEVER” (i.e. Those who believe everyrthing their gov’t tells them, its what they do, they believe and do not question. They are any government’s FAVORITE citizens) I have to ask, I am not gullible. I don’t even trust much of the “Truthers” movements because EVERYONE is spreading spins and disinformation to color it their own way.

  • Jahopson Tx
  • Gjqlong

    Silly Celery, you missed my smirk when I typed the “I guess it MIGHT” geez. I thought it was pretty straight forward with the following sentence. I understand your wanting to question everything and all. This just seems to be not that big of a conspiracy creating sort of thing though. I suppose you saw the video released showing the 2010 Obama in the background with him sitting in front if the TV then right? Seriously, I understand your wanting to not believe things reported. Please remember though, at least in general, that’s what reporting is all about. I know lies can and are told which end up reported as truth, but the guys dead, they just killed him It’s admitted by EVERYONE. Minus Pakistan. But that’s for another thread. What else can you really say?

    Lastly, your doubt about the 95% “blowing him away” was correct. I’m sorry for spewing an guesstimate without all facts behind it. It was just that. An educated guess. I wasn’t really THAT far off though. The poll I just read said about 80. But, I suppose you can’t believe any poll that you didn’t do yourself. A report by reporters just can’t be true. Why would it?

  • Anonymous

    This is what I say. All the idiots on tv and radio are publicly executing those who don’t go along with the official story and chanting USA. A nation of idiots.

  • Neums1

    How about asking 100 Americans how to spell Osama bin Laden.

  • hdcase

    con·spir·a·cy   /kənˈspɪrəsi/ Show Spelled[kuhn-spir-uh-see]
    –noun, plural -cies.
    1. To work together towards common aim or goal

  • Anonymous

    con·spir·a·cy   /kənˈspɪrəsi/ Show Spelled[kuhn-spir-uh-see]
    –noun, plural -cies.
    1. To work together towards common aim or goal

  • Bearcatty1

    Absolutely hilarious stuff. You all crack me up! Stay the course.

  • Bearcatty1

    Absolutely hilarious stuff. You all crack me up! Stay the course.