Obama Presents Mideast Peace Vision To Arab World

Photo: Elizabeth Cromwell (CC)

Photo: Elizabeth Cromwell (CC)

Via Reuters:

President Barack Obama on Thursday backed a key Palestinian demand on the borders of a future state with Israel as part of his vision for a Middle East peace deal and sought to shape political change convulsing the region.

Obama’s proposal — a policy shift that effectively calls for a negotiated Israeli pullback to 1967 borders that existed before it occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem — drew a swift rejection from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the eve of his Washington visit.

The president’s first public endorsement of the idea — in laying out his most detailed framework yet for an elusive peace deal — came in a much-anticipated “Arab spring” address aimed at recasting the U.S. response to upheaval sweeping the Arab world.

“At a time when the people of the Middle East and North Africa are casting off the burdens of the past, the drive for a lasting peace that ends the conflict and resolves all claims is more urgent that ever,” Obama told an audience of U.S. and foreign diplomats at the State Department.

[Continues at Reuters]

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  • SF2K01

    I don’t see why anyone thinks the 67 boarders will work any better than they did in 66. More logical would be a land swap if they could ever agree on what parts of the land, but I guess if people could agree on anything, we wouldn’t have any issues. At this point, I doubt any solution will work.

    • Mr. Coffee

       The only way to end war is to end life. I’m not keen on that though.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see why anyone thinks the 67 boarders will work any better than they did in 66. More logical would be a land swap if they could ever agree on what parts of the land, but I guess if people could agree on anything, we wouldn’t have any issues. At this point, I doubt any solution will work.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

     “We’ll beat you up until you’re the united states of arabia!”

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

     “We’ll beat you up until you’re the united states of arabia!”

  • Mr. Coffee

     clearly this is the AQUARIAN SPACE EMPIRE trying to soften us up for ENSLAVEMENT BY BEINGS FROM THE SIXTH DIMENSION at the behest of beings from THE 12TH DIMENSION who are backed up by the ALIEN SPACE LIZARDS

  • Mr. Coffee

     clearly this is the AQUARIAN SPACE EMPIRE trying to soften us up for ENSLAVEMENT BY BEINGS FROM THE SIXTH DIMENSION at the behest of beings from THE 12TH DIMENSION who are backed up by the ALIEN SPACE LIZARDS

  • Mr. Coffee

     The only way to end war is to end life. I’m not keen on that though.

  • Mrtchops

    Completely superficial and simplistic article covering the
    President’s token efforts at finding a peaceful solution. Obama is just
    playing at statesman a peacemaker (as have a long line of US Presidents). The
    hawkish Israeli political elites not only have no intention of handing anything
    back, they will continue to “kill” Palestine
    via a death of a thousand cuts.
    The so-called “Arab spring” will be confined to
    the dustbin of history as reality sets in. Democracy? 5000 people in Egypt have been
    jailed by military tribunals since January – no due-process, no respect for
    human rights. US drone strikes in Yemen;
    Blackwater’s mercenary army in the UAE; Saudi intervention in Bahrain; America’s
    completely undemocratic allies in the region pushing for war with Iran.
    Folks,
    don’t be fooled and don’t be distracted, it is business as usual in the Middle East. The American Empire will not willingly give
    up the “grand-prize” and Israel
    is key to control of the region.
    I wish I could say that a popular uprising in
    the US/Western world might change things, but apart from the endless
    brainwashing the mass media subjects us to, the increasingly draconian legal/civil control
    of our own societies makes that highly unlikely. We have become just cattle to the
    elites… keep on grazing and keep your head down and they might leave you alone.
    Unless of course they can make a dollar sacrificing you on the alter of
    capitalism.
     

  • Mrtchops

    Completely superficial and simplistic article covering the
    President’s token efforts at finding a peaceful solution. Obama is just
    playing at statesman a peacemaker (as have a long line of US Presidents). The
    hawkish Israeli political elites not only have no intention of handing anything
    back, they will continue to “kill” Palestine
    via a death of a thousand cuts.
    The so-called “Arab spring” will be confined to
    the dustbin of history as reality sets in. Democracy? 5000 people in Egypt have been
    jailed by military tribunals since January – no due-process, no respect for
    human rights. US drone strikes in Yemen;
    Blackwater’s mercenary army in the UAE; Saudi intervention in Bahrain; America’s
    completely undemocratic allies in the region pushing for war with Iran.
    Folks,
    don’t be fooled and don’t be distracted, it is business as usual in the Middle East. The American Empire will not willingly give
    up the “grand-prize” and Israel
    is key to control of the region.
    I wish I could say that a popular uprising in
    the US/Western world might change things, but apart from the endless
    brainwashing the mass media subjects us to, the increasingly draconian legal/civil control
    of our own societies makes that highly unlikely. We have become just cattle to the
    elites… keep on grazing and keep your head down and they might leave you alone.
    Unless of course they can make a dollar sacrificing you on the alter of
    capitalism.
     

  • D^rail

     The only real answer to this is to abolish the nation of Israel.  End U.S. backing and funding altogether.  

    • Guest

      Dream on.

  • D^rail

     The only real answer to this is to abolish the nation of Israel.  End U.S. backing and funding altogether.  

  • Anonymous

    Weather your for or against Israel, it seems to me with the sanctions Obama slapped on one of the ME nations this week (Was it Yemen?) and their threat of Israel’s’ security not being good any more and Obamas speech yesterday about the 67 lines, we are ripe for a real dirty war about to hit the fan. If we abolish Israel where do the Jewish people go? It also seems to me that more and more people are coming out proclaiming their hate for the Jewish people. I’ve never been there so I don’t know fully what goes on and has gone on between all of the ME nations and Israel but it looks as though everyone around Israel wants to push them into the ocean and eradicate every single one of them. Am I correct in assuming this? Does this not look like the perfect shit storm initiated by Obama?

  • MrPINKi

    Weather your for or against Israel, it seems to me with the sanctions Obama slapped on one of the ME nations this week (Was it Yemen?) and their threat of Israel’s’ security not being good any more and Obamas speech yesterday about the 67 lines, we are ripe for a real dirty war about to hit the fan. If we abolish Israel where do the Jewish people go? It also seems to me that more and more people are coming out proclaiming their hate for the Jewish people. I’ve never been there so I don’t know fully what goes on and has gone on between all of the ME nations and Israel but it looks as though everyone around Israel wants to push them into the ocean and eradicate every single one of them. Am I correct in assuming this? Does this not look like the perfect shit storm initiated by Obama?

    • FD8517

      If Israel were destroyed the Jewish people would not need to go anywhere. There is this myth that circulates about, particularly in the United States, that the Arab world is dead against Israel because they hate Jews. This is not the case. There had always been small numbers of Jews living in Palestine and the Arabs/Palestinians there never had a problem with them. The two communities got on fine.

      The problems that exist there now stem from the late 19th century with the rise of political Zionism. This is a worldwide movement of European Ashkenazi Jews who believe that Palestine should be a homeland for Jews and ONLY Jews. This movement is the underlying philosophy of “Israel” and is the sole cause of the conflict in the area.

      The Palestinians generally do not (or at least did not) have a problem with Jews living there. They just have a problem with Zionist Jews trying to turf them out of their ancestral homeland so that they can create a racially pure Jewish state. This is Israel’s long-term aim and the actual land they want (“Eretz Israel”, or ‘historical Israel’) stems from the Nile to central Iraq, from northern Saudi Arabia to southern Turkey. This is why they will not agree to peace and will slowly keep annexing land bit by bit, and will NEVER agree to going back to 1967 borders no matter what deal is put on the table. 

      This is why Israel must be destroyed. Israel is the idea that the land should be exclusively for Jews and no one else (except perhaps for a controlled minority of Arabs for cheap labour). Israel and the idea it represents could be gotten rid of and Jews could still remain in the area – these two things are not mutually exclusive. 

      You should remember that there are small minorities of Jews in most Arab countries, and about 50,000 Jews living in Iran (remember, the country that apparently wants to reopen Auschwitz and wipe Israel of the map?). Incidently the Jewish communities in Iran were offered $10,000 per head to move to Israel and they pretty much all rejected it saying they were happy living in Iran.

      The biggest joke of all of this is that, as confirmed by geneticists at Tel Aviv University, about 85% of Palestinians are not Arabs at all, but are in fact directly descended from the ancient Israelites. 

      You have to understand that Israel is not a country or a people, it is an idea. And one that most certainly needs to be thrown in the bin. 

  • Anonymous

    If Israel were destroyed the Jewish people would not need to go anywhere. There is this myth that circulates about, particularly in the United States, that the Arab world is dead against Israel because they hate Jews. This is not the case. There had always been small numbers of Jews living in Palestine and the Arabs/Palestinians there never had a problem with them. The two communities got on fine.

    The problems that exist there now stem from the late 19th century with the rise of political Zionism. This is a worldwide movement of European Ashkenazi Jews who believe that Palestine should be a homeland for Jews and ONLY Jews. This movement is the underlying philosophy of “Israel” and is the sole cause of the conflict in the area.

    The Palestinians generally do not (or at least did not) have a problem with Jews living there. They just have a problem with Zionist Jews trying to turf them out of their ancestral homeland so that they can create a racially pure Jewish state. This is Israel’s long-term aim and the actual land they want (“Eretz Israel”, or ‘historical Israel’) stems from the Nile to central Iraq, from northern Saudi Arabia to southern Turkey. This is why they will not agree to peace and will slowly keep annexing land bit by bit, and will NEVER agree to going back to 1967 borders no matter what deal is put on the table. 

    This is why Israel must be destroyed. Israel is the idea that the land should be exclusively for Jews and no one else (except perhaps for a controlled minority of Arabs for cheap labour). Israel and the idea it represents could be gotten rid of and Jews could still remain in the area – these two things are not mutually exclusive. 

    You should remember that there are small minorities of Jews in most Arab countries, and about 50,000 Jews living in Iran (remember, the country that apparently wants to reopen Auschwitz and wipe Israel of the map?). Incidently the Jewish communities in Iran were offered $10,000 per head to move to Israel and they pretty much all rejected it saying they were happy living in Iran.

    The biggest joke of all of this is that, as confirmed by geneticists at Tel Aviv University, about 85% of Palestinians are not Arabs at all, but are in fact directly descended from the ancient Israelites. 

    You have to understand that Israel is not a country or a people, it is an idea. And one that most certainly needs to be thrown in the bin. 

  • Guest

    Dream on.

  • Tuna Ghost

     I see two possible reasons for this announcement (one I basically stole from Chomsky).  

    1.)  The UN resolution used to justify (if that’s even the word for it) the invasion of Iraq has a bit that commits the invaders to establishing a no-nuclear-weapons rule in the area.  Obama has been called on it, and said that he would do exactly that but only when there’s a working peace treaty in effect.  Given that the US has been basically blocking peace attempts in the area for the last 30 years, everyone figured this was his way of subtly saying “yeah, that’s not going to happen fella”.  But now, given that Israel is probably never going to accept this, he can be seen to be attempting to create a working peace treaty and thus keeping to his word without having to actually remove his nukes from the area.

    2.)  Israel’s recent bouts of near-insanity are alienating whatever allies the US has in the area (or even the countries that do not, for the present, out-and-out loathe us), such as Turkey, a very important player in the mid-east.  Given the rise in US military personnel in the area, this will have serious reprocussions for the US, who is seen as basically giving Israel carte blanche to do as they please.   Chomsky predicted that the US would soon be forced to begin publicly treating Israel with a much firmer hand, reminding them who’s interests are to be focused on and supported (the US’s, obviously), and who in the relationship is the vassal and who is the lord.  This is a good way to do just that.  

  • Tuna Ghost

     I see two possible reasons for this announcement (one I basically stole from Chomsky).  

    1.)  The UN resolution used to justify (if that’s even the word for it) the invasion of Iraq has a bit that commits the invaders to establishing a no-nuclear-weapons rule in the area.  Obama has been called on it, and said that he would do exactly that but only when there’s a working peace treaty in effect.  Given that the US has been basically blocking peace attempts in the area for the last 30 years, everyone figured this was his way of subtly saying “yeah, that’s not going to happen fella”.  But now, given that Israel is probably never going to accept this, he can be seen to be attempting to create a working peace treaty and thus keeping to his word without having to actually remove his nukes from the area.

    2.)  Israel’s recent bouts of near-insanity are alienating whatever allies the US has in the area (or even the countries that do not, for the present, out-and-out loathe us), such as Turkey, a very important player in the mid-east.  Given the rise in US military personnel in the area, this will have serious reprocussions for the US, who is seen as basically giving Israel carte blanche to do as they please.   Chomsky predicted that the US would soon be forced to begin publicly treating Israel with a much firmer hand, reminding them who’s interests are to be focused on and supported (the US’s, obviously), and who in the relationship is the vassal and who is the lord.  This is a good way to do just that.  

  • BorderOne

    The only solution for a lasting
    peace is absolute democratic process (that we Americans cherish so
    passionately) for the entire territory in question, otherwise, the peace will
    not last. All people who lived there without regard to religion, race, etc. should
    vote on how they would like their one country to be run. I favor one state
    solution because two states would only attempt to “legalize” Zionist occupation
    that will be remembered in history until it is corrected by future large scale
    conflicts, so no lasting peace will result.

    The only issue with the fair
    democratic process is what to do with all manipulated Jewish people who the
    Zionist regime imported for decades to increase the Jewish population from
    around 100,000 to over 5 Million since the start of the occupation. This is
    obviously an attempt to unjustly manipulate any future democratic process by
    forcefully increasing the occupier’s population at the expense of others. Any
    compromise other than the absolute fair democratic process with no manipulated
    population will be temporary with terrible conflicts looming to correct it in
    the future. The truth is that the Zionist regime will not accept any democratic
    process even if the manipulated Jewish population is included because it cannot
    exist as a democratic country as Zionists will be outvoted by all others who
    live there (Zionists were in an infinite minority before the occupation). The
    Zionist regime can only temporarily exist through the force of its arms as a
    one people country where only select ones can vote and where different laws
    apply to different people. The world must stand up against the Zionist regime
    by cutting all diplomatic and economic relations with it. Many countries have
    already stopped all relations with the Zionist regime and others are in the
    process of doing the same. We Americans need to completely distance ourselves
    from this oppressive regime through urging our state representatives and
    senators to do what the rest of the world is doing.

     

  • Anonymous

    The only solution for a lasting
    peace is absolute democratic process (that we Americans cherish so
    passionately) for the entire territory in question, otherwise, the peace will
    not last. All people who lived there without regard to religion, race, etc. should
    vote on how they would like their one country to be run. I favor one state
    solution because two states would only attempt to “legalize” Zionist occupation
    that will be remembered in history until it is corrected by future large scale
    conflicts, so no lasting peace will result.

    The only issue with the fair
    democratic process is what to do with all manipulated Jewish people who the
    Zionist regime imported for decades to increase the Jewish population from
    around 100,000 to over 5 Million since the start of the occupation. This is
    obviously an attempt to unjustly manipulate any future democratic process by
    forcefully increasing the occupier’s population at the expense of others. Any
    compromise other than the absolute fair democratic process with no manipulated
    population will be temporary with terrible conflicts looming to correct it in
    the future. The truth is that the Zionist regime will not accept any democratic
    process even if the manipulated Jewish population is included because it cannot
    exist as a democratic country as Zionists will be outvoted by all others who
    live there (Zionists were in an infinite minority before the occupation). The
    Zionist regime can only temporarily exist through the force of its arms as a
    one people country where only select ones can vote and where different laws
    apply to different people. The world must stand up against the Zionist regime
    by cutting all diplomatic and economic relations with it. Many countries have
    already stopped all relations with the Zionist regime and others are in the
    process of doing the same. We Americans need to completely distance ourselves
    from this oppressive regime through urging our state representatives and
    senators to do what the rest of the world is doing.

     

  • CaveWest

    If it is ever reached, the current and any other artificial “peace agreement” will be illegitimate before it is ever signed because (1) all people living in Palestine regardless of religion, race, origin, etc. (hereinafter “All People of Palestine”) were never given a choice on how they want their land to be governed, and (2) all contracts signed under duress are null and void.

    The biggest problem in Palestine is that the Zionist regime never offered a choice to All People of Palestine on
    how they want to govern their land because the Zionist regime cannot exist as a democratic entity. If there was ever any democratic process in Palestine, Zionists would have been outvoted and the Zionist regime would have never existed.  That is why the Zionist regime is the occupier because it does not offer choice (i.e. democracy), but instead imposes its regime (i.e. occupies). Imagine if Russians would simply occupy a
    town in the U.S. where they are in significant numbers and attempt to create a Russian state there without giving the rest of the Americans living there a choice.  Imagine then if they would try to institute a “peace agreement” that would attempt to legitimize their occupation. The “peace agreement” would logically and legally be illegitimate because the Americans were not given a choice.

    Under all countries’ laws, any contract is null and void if it is signed under duress. The current Palestine “peace agreement” process reminds me of The Godfather movie where the mafia boss (i.e. the Zionist regime) made a guy “an offer he could not refuse” by placing a gun (i.e. Zionist conventional and nuclear arsenal) to his head and making him sign the contract. Like the mafia boss’ offer, any “peace agreement” other than the choice for All People of Palestine is a crime, and the contract is legally null and void.

    The bottom line is that All People of Palestine never wanted to divide their land into artificial two states the way the occupation and this “peace agreement” attempt to divide it. From the beginning of the Zionist regime to its unavoidable end, All People of Palestine and the region never wanted the Zionist regime and they do not want it even more after all the atrocities the Zionist regime committed. I just cannot believe how the Zionist regime can be so ignorant to think that this or any other “peace agreement” that does not allow people to choose how they want to be governed will last and ensure its people’s survival. The Zionist regime fails to realize that no matter if it succeeds in muscling this “peace agreement” by unspeakable historic coercion tens of millions of moral people around the world will oppose it until it is corrected, and until justice and
    free choice prevail. Also, ever increasing number of Jewish people are realizing that Zionism is becoming a destructive force for them and are leading the global resistance to it.
    Feel free to copy this comment, email it to other bloggers, and repost it on other blogs, newspaper websites,
    Facebook, Twitter, and other social networking websites, and include it in any correspondence/lobbying with senators, state representatives and any other public officials so the public learns the truth…

  • Anonymous

    If it is ever reached, the current and any other artificial “peace agreement” will be illegitimate before it is ever signed because (1) all people living in Palestine regardless of religion, race, origin, etc. (hereinafter “All People of Palestine”) were never given a choice on how they want their land to be governed, and (2) all contracts signed under duress are null and void.

    The biggest problem in Palestine is that the Zionist regime never offered a choice to All People of Palestine on
    how they want to govern their land because the Zionist regime cannot exist as a democratic entity. If there was ever any democratic process in Palestine, Zionists would have been outvoted and the Zionist regime would have never existed.  That is why the Zionist regime is the occupier because it does not offer choice (i.e. democracy), but instead imposes its regime (i.e. occupies). Imagine if Russians would simply occupy a
    town in the U.S. where they are in significant numbers and attempt to create a Russian state there without giving the rest of the Americans living there a choice.  Imagine then if they would try to institute a “peace agreement” that would attempt to legitimize their occupation. The “peace agreement” would logically and legally be illegitimate because the Americans were not given a choice.

    Under all countries’ laws, any contract is null and void if it is signed under duress. The current Palestine “peace agreement” process reminds me of The Godfather movie where the mafia boss (i.e. the Zionist regime) made a guy “an offer he could not refuse” by placing a gun (i.e. Zionist conventional and nuclear arsenal) to his head and making him sign the contract. Like the mafia boss’ offer, any “peace agreement” other than the choice for All People of Palestine is a crime, and the contract is legally null and void.

    The bottom line is that All People of Palestine never wanted to divide their land into artificial two states the way the occupation and this “peace agreement” attempt to divide it. From the beginning of the Zionist regime to its unavoidable end, All People of Palestine and the region never wanted the Zionist regime and they do not want it even more after all the atrocities the Zionist regime committed. I just cannot believe how the Zionist regime can be so ignorant to think that this or any other “peace agreement” that does not allow people to choose how they want to be governed will last and ensure its people’s survival. The Zionist regime fails to realize that no matter if it succeeds in muscling this “peace agreement” by unspeakable historic coercion tens of millions of moral people around the world will oppose it until it is corrected, and until justice and
    free choice prevail. Also, ever increasing number of Jewish people are realizing that Zionism is becoming a destructive force for them and are leading the global resistance to it.
    Feel free to copy this comment, email it to other bloggers, and repost it on other blogs, newspaper websites,
    Facebook, Twitter, and other social networking websites, and include it in any correspondence/lobbying with senators, state representatives and any other public officials so the public learns the truth…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_462YKAVGDJ66NARU7NQNADW6IU Human Rights

    Why would Zionists want to
    discuss any peace agreement with the Palestinians when they have overwhelming
    military supremacy, seemingly ultimate power, and apparently bright
    future?  Because the future is completely
    opposite and Zionists know it.

     

    1. All military powers in history
    with no exception ultimately came crashing down.  Someone stronger always comes, and it does
    not take a rocket scientist to see (just look around you) this coming and not
    ending well for the current military power in Palestine.  Forward-seeing Jewish people under the
    Zionist regime already started packing up and leaving for Australia, South
    America, and the U.S. before this occurs.

     

    2. It is obvious that the Zionist
    regime survives mainly because of its external allies who so far provided it
    with money, weapons, political support, access to markets, etc. After countless
    U.N. human rights violations, killing of its allies’ citizens (search on
    youtube for American “Rachel Corrie” video of Zionist bulldozer crushing her to
    death), forging of its allies’ passports in acts of murder, etc. its former
    allies are increasingly turning against the Zionist regime. Who would want to
    be remembered in history as an accomplice in international murders and
    especially of their own citizens.

     

    3. Not only that the list of remaining
    supporters is growing thinner, but an international coalition is formed and
    growing larger of countries that are cutting all economic and diplomatic
    relations with the Zionist regime.

     

    4. No country ever survived a
    complete isolation from its neighbors. No person of the area currently under
    Zionist occupation can obtain any type of visa from any of the surrounding
    countries for any reason – a complete land lock.

     

    5. Well attended speeches take
    place almost weekly at colleges and universities across the U.S. and the world
    condemning the Zionist regime, their remaining supporters, and companies that
    do any business there. These speeches are often lead by moral Jewish people,
    church leaders, business people, etc., in addition to traditional peace activists.

     

    6. The West where most of the
    traditional supporters of the Zionist regime are located is loosing global
    influence. China, the Middle East, South East Asia, Russia, South America, etc.
    are emerging as new pockets of economic and political power where the Zionist
    regime has angered most of the population.

     

    7. Not only that the West is
    declining, but Zionists are loosing political control in the declining West. Diversity
    is bringing minority groups into politics, groups that are actively opposing
    the Zionist regime.

    In conclusion, the Zionist regime
    is negotiating now because its future is changing for much worse. It knows that
    it temporarily exists now only through the force of its arms and this will be
    short-lived.  It knows that it is at its
    peak and a downturn has come.  It is a
    mistake to negotiate with the Zionist regime at the present time. But, if you
    have to negotiate, do not accept anything less than a single region in question
    (single state) where all who live there are equal. Any other “solution” would
    just reward the Zionist regime at the time of its demise. If the Zionist regime
    wants true peace, let’s not make it dependent on Zionist political and land
    acquisition goals, but on democratic vote for all who live there and making
    everyone equal (something we Americans cherish so passionately).

     

    Disclaimer: All who wish to
    reproduce my comment on mailing lists, repost on other blogs, or send to
    politicians and public officials are welcome to do so. Let justice be served!
     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_462YKAVGDJ66NARU7NQNADW6IU Human Rights

    Why would Zionists want to
    discuss any peace agreement with the Palestinians when they have overwhelming
    military supremacy, seemingly ultimate power, and apparently bright
    future?  Because the future is completely
    opposite and Zionists know it.

     

    1. All military powers in history
    with no exception ultimately came crashing down.  Someone stronger always comes, and it does
    not take a rocket scientist to see (just look around you) this coming and not
    ending well for the current military power in Palestine.  Forward-seeing Jewish people under the
    Zionist regime already started packing up and leaving for Australia, South
    America, and the U.S. before this occurs.

     

    2. It is obvious that the Zionist
    regime survives mainly because of its external allies who so far provided it
    with money, weapons, political support, access to markets, etc. After countless
    U.N. human rights violations, killing of its allies’ citizens (search on
    youtube for American “Rachel Corrie” video of Zionist bulldozer crushing her to
    death), forging of its allies’ passports in acts of murder, etc. its former
    allies are increasingly turning against the Zionist regime. Who would want to
    be remembered in history as an accomplice in international murders and
    especially of their own citizens.

     

    3. Not only that the list of remaining
    supporters is growing thinner, but an international coalition is formed and
    growing larger of countries that are cutting all economic and diplomatic
    relations with the Zionist regime.

     

    4. No country ever survived a
    complete isolation from its neighbors. No person of the area currently under
    Zionist occupation can obtain any type of visa from any of the surrounding
    countries for any reason – a complete land lock.

     

    5. Well attended speeches take
    place almost weekly at colleges and universities across the U.S. and the world
    condemning the Zionist regime, their remaining supporters, and companies that
    do any business there. These speeches are often lead by moral Jewish people,
    church leaders, business people, etc., in addition to traditional peace activists.

     

    6. The West where most of the
    traditional supporters of the Zionist regime are located is loosing global
    influence. China, the Middle East, South East Asia, Russia, South America, etc.
    are emerging as new pockets of economic and political power where the Zionist
    regime has angered most of the population.

     

    7. Not only that the West is
    declining, but Zionists are loosing political control in the declining West. Diversity
    is bringing minority groups into politics, groups that are actively opposing
    the Zionist regime.

    In conclusion, the Zionist regime
    is negotiating now because its future is changing for much worse. It knows that
    it temporarily exists now only through the force of its arms and this will be
    short-lived.  It knows that it is at its
    peak and a downturn has come.  It is a
    mistake to negotiate with the Zionist regime at the present time. But, if you
    have to negotiate, do not accept anything less than a single region in question
    (single state) where all who live there are equal. Any other “solution” would
    just reward the Zionist regime at the time of its demise. If the Zionist regime
    wants true peace, let’s not make it dependent on Zionist political and land
    acquisition goals, but on democratic vote for all who live there and making
    everyone equal (something we Americans cherish so passionately).

     

    Disclaimer: All who wish to
    reproduce my comment on mailing lists, repost on other blogs, or send to
    politicians and public officials are welcome to do so. Let justice be served!
     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_462YKAVGDJ66NARU7NQNADW6IU Human Rights

    Why would Zionists want to discuss any peace agreement with the Palestinians when they have overwhelming
    military supremacy, seemingly ultimate power, and apparently bright future?  Because the future is completely
    opposite and Zionists know it.

    1. All military powers in history with no exception ultimately came crashing down.  Someone stronger always comes, and it does not take a rocket scientist to see (just look around you) this coming and not ending well for the current military power in Palestine.  Forward-seeing Jewish people under the Zionist regime already started packing up and leaving for Australia, South America, and the U.S. before this occurs.

    2. It is obvious that the Zionist regime survives mainly because of its external allies who so far provided it
    with money, weapons, political support, access to markets, etc. After countless U.N. human rights violations, killing of its allies’ citizens (search on youtube for American “Rachel Corrie” video of Zionist bulldozer crushing her to death), forging of its allies’ passports in acts of murder, etc. its former allies are increasingly turning against the Zionist regime. Who would want to be remembered in history as an accomplice in international murders and especially of their own citizens.

    3. Not only that the list of remaining supporters is growing thinner, but an international coalition is formed and
    growing larger of countries that are cutting all economic and diplomatic relations with the Zionist regime.

    4. No country ever survived a complete isolation from its neighbors. No person of the area currently under
    Zionist occupation can obtain any type of visa from any of the surrounding countries for any reason – a complete land lock.

    5. Well attended speeches take place almost weekly at colleges and universities across the U.S. and the world condemning the Zionist regime, their remaining supporters, and companies that do any business there. These speeches are often lead by moral Jewish people, church leaders, business people, etc., in addition to traditional peace activists.

    6. The West where most of the traditional supporters of the Zionist regime are located is loosing global influence. China, the Middle East, South East Asia, Russia, South America, etc. are emerging as new pockets of economic and political power where the Zionist regime has angered most of the population.

    7. Not only that the West is declining, but Zionists are loosing political control in the declining West. Diversity
    is bringing minority groups into politics, groups that are actively opposing the Zionist regime.

    In conclusion, the Zionist regime is negotiating now because its future is changing for much worse. It knows that it temporarily exists now only through the force of its arms and this will be short-lived.  It knows that it is at its peak and a downturn has come.  It is a mistake to negotiate with the Zionist regime at the present time. But, if you have to negotiate, do not accept anything less than a single region in question (single state) where all who live there are equal. Any other “solution” would just reward the Zionist regime at the time of its demise. If the Zionist regime wants true peace, let’s not make it dependent on Zionist political and land
    acquisition goals, but on democratic vote for all who live there and making everyone equal (something we Americans cherish so passionately).

  • Anonymous

    It appears that sharing and
    reposting others’ comments is becoming a trend. You can definitely copy, repost,
    or email mine to anyone including lobbying senators, state representatives and
    any other public officials who shape our country’s foreign policies.

     

    The main Zionist claim is that
    they have a supreme right to some of Palestinian territory because they lived
    there thousands of years ago. Let’s examine the core and real nature of this
    claim.

    Firstly, this claim is mistaken
    and selfish in its core concept because Zionists fail to recognize that history
    is a continuum and that there were other people living in majority in Palestine
    before the Jews and also after the Jews. Zionists simply cut history at a
    convenient point for them and claim ancestral ties to the land as of that
    convenient point.

    Secondly, whatever the claim, it
    is beyond absurd to try to shape modern world based on thousands of years old
    maps. Imagine if the rest of the world would be reshaped by who was on the land
    thousands of years ago.  It would cause
    horrific wars, countless refugees, and unimaginable human suffering, exactly
    what is happening in Palestine.

     

    Thirdly and most disturbing,
    Zionist goal was to establish a Jewish state wherever possible. Palestine may
    have been a preference, but Palestine was not the only location that Zionists
    planned as their state in modern times. Another location was Argentina where
    Jews have been migrating for hundreds of years for the purpose of establishing
    a state. Also, locations in Europe were on the list and that’s why the Catholic
    Church was killing/expelling Jews since Roman times (read the history of the
    Holly Inquisition).  Whatever the
    location, Zionist plan was to simply occupy the people living on the land even
    if that would mean imposing a regime worst than Nazi Germany’s from which they
    escaped. And Zionists would just use a different ideological coloring than the
    one used in Palestine in the attempt to rationalize the occupation.

     

    In conclusion, the main claim on
    which the Zionist regime is built in Palestine is erroneous, selfish, and a
    lie. I am categorically against generalizing, and recognize that many Jews are
    against the crimes the Zionist regime is committing and that many Jews are
    leading the global resistance to it. They should be proud.
     

  • Lee3AD

    It appears that sharing and reposting others’ comments is becoming a trend. You can definitely copy, repost,
    or email mine to anyone including lobbying senators, state representatives and any other public officials who shape our country’s foreign policies.

    The main Zionist claim is that they have a supreme right to some of Palestinian territory because they lived
    there thousands of years ago. Let’s examine the core and real nature of this claim.

    Firstly, this claim is mistaken and selfish in its core concept because Zionists fail to recognize that history
    is a continuum and that there were other people living in majority in Palestine before the Jews and also after the Jews. Zionists simply cut history at a convenient point for them and claim ancestral ties to the land as of that convenient point.

    Secondly, whatever the claim, it is beyond absurd to try to shape modern world based on thousands of years old maps. Imagine if the rest of the world would be reshaped by who was on the land thousands of years ago.  It would cause horrific wars, countless refugees, and unimaginable human suffering, exactly what is happening in Palestine.

    Thirdly and most disturbing, Zionist goal was to establish a Jewish state wherever possible. Palestine may
    have been a preference, but Palestine was not the only location that Zionists planned as their state in modern times. Another location was Argentina where Jews have been migrating for hundreds of years for the purpose of establishing a state. Also, locations in Europe were on the list and that’s why the Catholic Church was killing/expelling Jews since Roman times (read the history of the Holly Inquisition).  Whatever the location, Zionist plan was to simply occupy the people living on the land even if that would mean imposing a regime worst than Nazi Germany’s from which they escaped. And Zionists would just use a different ideological coloring than the one used in Palestine in the attempt to rationalize the occupation.

    In conclusion, the main claim on which the Zionist regime is built in Palestine is erroneous, selfish, and a
    lie. I am categorically against generalizing, and recognize that many Jews are against the crimes the Zionist regime is committing and that many Jews are leading the global resistance to it. They should be proud.

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