Unanswered Questions Surround Bin Laden Death

Osama Bin LadenYesterday the New York Times ran a story entitled “The Persistence of Conspiracy Theories,” the essence of which was that “those who doubt Mr. Obama’s citizenship fit the mold of other conspiracy theorists: they don’t loose their grip on their beliefs easily, if at all.”

Kate Zernike, the author of the story, quotes Kenneth D. Kitts, a professor of political science at the University of North Carolina at Pembroke, who says “It almost becomes an article of faith, and as with any theological belief, you can’t confront it with facts.”

Later the same day came the news that American “Special Forces” had killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan. It comes as little surprise, given the skepticism at large in the U.S. today, that obvious candidates such as Texas radio host Alex Jones called it a staged, faked event, immediately publishing a story on his InfoWars site entitled Red Alert: Government Had Osama bin Laden Frozen for Years.

And to be fair, the U.S. Goverment isn’t exactly helping matters by quickly dumping Bin Laden’s body into deep seas and failing to provide any compelling proof of his recent death.

Other instant critics of U.S. policy also quickly chimed in. This from Russia Today, suggesting it signals the endgame in Afghanistan:

Conspiracy theories aside, to no one’s surprise the U.S. State Department is warning of likely terrorist attacks in the wake of the alleged assassination of Bin Laden. Lots of supposed experts on terrorism are rushing to state the obvious (from Reuters):

“Whilst we in the West might have the satisfaction of justice having been dealt to a terrorist, many will still see Osama bin Laden as a martyr. Make no mistake: violent jihadists will react to this,” Julian Lindley-French of London’s Chatham House think-tank told Reuters Insider television.

Roland Jacquard, head of the International Terrorism Observatory in Paris, said the United States would be targeted.

“The way in which he was killed, by a military commando, shows this will have important consequences for the future. It will be a call for Jihad, he will remain a very real-life martyr for the rest of the organization,” Jacquard told RTL radio.

Already Monday, Islamic militants hinted at revenge.

“Oh God, please make this news not true… God curse you Obama,” said one message on an Arabic language forum. “Oh Americans… it is still legal for us to cut your necks.”

“Osama may be killed but his message of Jihad will never die. Brothers and sisters, wait and see, his death will be a blessing in disguise,” said a poster on another Islamist forum…

Stay tuned — one thing we can be fairly sure of is that global terror is going to remain at the forefront of the news cycle.

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  • Tech58

    America is the greatest country in the world.
    We got him, stop the bs. We won!

    • equal_hate

      What exactly did you win?
      As a side note, i find all the feigned outrage by American citizens to be amusing. Bin Laden was once an American hero, fighting back against the ‘evil’ russians. Then he began to fight back against another country that they felt was also oppressing them, and he becomes a villain. All America is proving is that might is right, and as long as things are exatcly how the USA wants them, you are a friend to the American people. Step out of line just a little, and you become a terrorist.

      • ArgosyJones

        …Bin Laden was once an American hero…

        Yeah Dave, remember back in the 80′s all the kids had Bin Laden GI Joes, T-shirts and lunch pails? Bin Laden’s first triumphant interview with Barbara Walters after the collapse of Soviet communism?…Those were the days.

        • BrianApocalypse

          I don’t remember the action figures, I do however remember the Rambo movie basically dedicated to him and his kind!

      • Tuna Ghost

        Step out of line just a little, and you become a terrorist.

        A bit of an exaggeration, surely? There’s still a pretty high level of free speech in this country, after all. You can talk about using violence as a means of change within the US borders and the worst that will happen is that you’ll be put on a watch list (if even that, given the general incompetence of our intelligence services). I mean, I see it happen on facebook and even Disinfo all the time and to my knowledge none of my friends have disappeared into black vans yet.

    • Aspelund

      If america was the greatest country in the world you would still have your freedom…

      • Bluh

        You have the freedom to SAY you don’t have freedom and to criticize the government. Try pulling that off in in Sudan or Pakistan.

    • Zombiefreeworld

      We won what? we didn’t win shit. This news is the 10th time that people have Claimed that Osama Bin Laden has been killed. What makes this different? We have no proof. No pictures no reports no nothing. Just our Wonderful non-lying very transparent Government saying that we got them. We didn’t get shit. And even if they did kill him….you think terrorism is going to stop? like all the people who are against american ways are just going to pack there suitcases and call it a day? no they are going to fight even harder to get us to our knees( to bad the American government is already doing that to themselves) this news is a simple slight of hand for us to forget what is really going on in the world. To have our attention move from Libya, The Japanese Nuclear disaster, etc. etc….

  • Tech58

    America is the greatest country in the world.
    We got him, stop the bs. We won!

  • Hdjskfkhdg

    Be on the watch for more staged, inside jobs.

  • Hdjskfkhdg

    Be on the watch for more staged, inside jobs.

  • Cottage Gardener

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

    Fox News:

    Report: Bin Laden Already Dead
    Wednesday, December 26, 2001
    Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

    “The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead,” the source said.

    Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.

  • Cottage Gardener

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

    Fox News:

    Report: Bin Laden Already Dead
    Wednesday, December 26, 2001
    Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

    “The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead,” the source said.

    Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.

  • Dave

    What exactly did you win?
    As a side note, i find all the feigned outrage by American citizens to be amusing. Bin Laden was once an American hero, fighting back against the ‘evil’ russians. Then he began to fight back against another country that they felt was also oppressing them, and he becomes a villain. All America is proving is that might is right, and as long as things are exatcly how the USA wants them, you are a friend to the American people. Step out of line just a little, and you become a terrorist.

  • Aspelund

    If america was the greatest country in the world you would still have your freedom…

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Buried at sea within 24 hrs?? Okay…I may believe that Obama’s a citizen of the US…but I also believe he’s a fucking tool…and this reeks of fraud. Aside from the fact that in the last ten years Osama Bin Ladens pictures have only gotten sleeker, more youthful and fitter…the only thing about this that even smacks of realism is the location…a comfy compound in Pakistan rather than some mountain cave BS. The withered old dude who was characterized as the start of this back in 2001 looks very little like the healthy adult we claim died last night. I’d love evidence…but we buried that at sea…how convenient.

    • quartz99

      Honestly… burying the body in 24 hrs and there not being a country willing to take the body so they dumped him in the ocean is the only part of this that _doesn’t_ sound suspicious to me. Islamic belief requires the body to be buried within 24hrs. They took dna samples, so what do they need the whole body for? It’s not like they’re going to parade it around the country in a glass box or something. By following Islamic belief in his burial, they were trying to stop at least one reason for people in Islamic countries to be upset with us. This way they can say “look, we even respected your beliefs in dealing with our most hated enemy”. I don’t think it will _help_ any, but I think it mutes _some_ of the impact he might have had as a martyr if we’d refused to bury him in accord with his beliefs.

    • quartz99

      It also occurs to me that by burying him at sea there’s no grave marker for people to congregate around and venerate and use as a focus for a martyr’s cult.

      • E.B. Wolf

        They could just congregate on the shoreline and consider the entire sea their shrine.

        • quartz99

          And I’m sure some will. But letting them bury him directly in an accessible place with a marker would have given them a single point to congregate. If individual mourners just go to the nearest water’s edge, they’re unlikely to meet others who want to avenge him and that they can work with toward that end at particularly the spot they go to. Until someone privately puts up a memorial marker of some kind, anyway, which will probably happen, but it is unlikely to get the same press as if we did it or if we allowed his family to have the body and do so right now… besides I think the implication was that even his own family didn’t want his body so… what else are you gonna do with it?

          • Alis

            There’s nothing to stop them from making a fucking tomb with a few enclosed personal effects. It’s bullshit.

          • quartz99

            I think you missed the part where I said “Until someone privately puts up a memorial marker of some kind, anyway, which will probably happen, but it is unlikely to get the same press as if we did it or if we allowed his family to have the body and do so right now.” And it’s unlikely that anything in that compound will be released to anyone. And who’s gonna go asking for custody of it? They’ll just end up arrested as terrorists themselves if they do. It’s not like they went in, killed him, and then just left the place without American guards. His family didn’t want the body… so that leaves only his followers. I have no doubt that they’ll build him a memorial of some kind, but they won’t be able to risk publicizing it in the same way the mainstream media would publicize an american-made grave, and that means less people drawn to it, which was my point.

      • Liam_McGonagle

        Wow–you hit all the bases. I guess my follow up comment was pretty redundant.

        • quartz99

          :P

    • Coramaeday

      When the CBS news came on last night I thought they said our military already had his body for over a week and they were waiting for DNA results before announcing his death.

    • Tuna Ghost

      Well it’s not as if the US was going to give his body to anyone or put it in a grave, it was this or an incinerator. Parading his body around would only make his martyrdom that much more severe.

    • Tuna Ghost

      post script: I mean, for what it’s worth, it’s exactly what I would have done. Showing the body to cameras may have crossed my mind but there’s no telling what the condition of the body was in, and killing Osama is already gonna kick up a ton of shit and there’s no reason to go and add to that.

      • Liam_McGonagle

        And really, whose gonna be impressed by evidence from a basically 19th century technology that can be frauded up by any kid with a PhotoShop program?

        I do believe the general outlines of this story of Bin Laden’s death–though there are many weird missing parts to it thus far. But only because it is, on balance, probably the least un-likely scenario, rather than because there is an unassailable mass of incontrovertable evidence.

        • quartz99

          Yeah, what I’m seeing is that there’s basically no form of evidence that in non-fraudable in this situation. So unless some guy pops up claiming to be Osama, it’s best to focus on the practical impact. It doesn’t really matter if he died this week or a decade ago when you come down to it, because the whole world will react as though it happened this week, and that’s what we have to deal with.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            I was just thinking that this morning; it’s only a matter of time until some 300 lb redhead from Ballybumfuck puts out a video claiming to be Osama Bin Laden, having escaped and actually captured the SEALs sent to off him. And there will inevitably be some dumbasses who believe it.

            Still, on a frivolous note, it might make entertaining, if crudely macabre viewing on Youtube.

    • Jin The Ninja

      as always- great post! thank you.

    • Liam_McGonagle

      Realistically, where could they dispose of the body without creating an instant shrine to him? This is related to Quartz’ practical note about the “Not in My Back Yard” objections voiced by potential “host countries”.

      I do suppose alternative scenarios could be plausible or at least possible enough if taken individually, but my guess is that on balance any of them would create as many difficulties as they would resolve.

      I think the real thing to hold on here is the RHETORICAL significance of a United States president publically admitting, 554 news cycles before election day, that the single enduring premise “legitimizing” the presence of the American military of the region is now gone.

      I foresee, a long, ironic, painful campaign trail for a man who now has no morally acceptable reason to continue a policy he promised to abandon during the last campaign.

      • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

        It does make me wonder if this stunt was to set the groundwork in motion for an invasion of Pakistan’s frontier…or to force concessions from them since they perpetually play both sides of the game at every turn. Theres no election gains to be made from this…unless it leads to a faster drawdown of forces…or a new conflict with public support. I am feeling very wary regarding every possibility…except the possibility that this was the original, one and only, Osama. One that one issue…I have little doubt…the DNA could easily have been acquired elsewhere and trotted out now when its convenient…and with no body left to speak of…who can argue about it after the fact. In any case where deception would be made easy to achieve because of the choices made…it probably was an act of deception…and this reeks of it.

        • Liam_McGonagle

          Yeah–there is no single piece of evidence that could not have very easily been faked. Which is why, to my way of thinking, it is not even worth their bother. Americans are so fucking stupid, it would be a complete waste of time and $$–though again that could just as easily make it evidence for the thing as against it.

          It’s the interpretation of the narrative that seems to really influence events, not necessarily their factual substance. This very public commitment to one version seems to definitively close off some options to Obama, paint him in a corner. He and his grinning gobdaws may feel themselves on top of the world right now–but he’s 1 down and 553 yet to go. He’s gonna have to make the magic last somehow until election day next year.

          If Obama’s got some magnificent over-arching plan to put in place, and his pathetic history of incompetence suggests to me that he hasn’t, he’d better get fecking moving on it within the next couple of weeks. Time’s a wasting.

          • Tuna Ghost

            Yeah–there is no single piece of evidence that could not have very easily been faked. Which is why, to my way of thinking, it is not even worth their bother. Americans are so fucking stupid, it would be a complete waste of time and $$–though again that could just as easily make it evidence for the thing as against it.

            My thoughts exactly. The time and resources required to find a suitable fake, staging an “assassination”, and most importantly confirming that Bin Laden wouldn’t pop up on a video a month later laughing at the US would probably come close to the time and resources spent actually killing him.

            It’s the interpretation of the narrative that seems to really influence events, not necessarily their factual substance. This very public commitment to one version seems to definitively close off some options to Obama, paint him in a corner. He and his grinning gobdaws may feel themselves on top of the world right now–but he’s 1 down and 553 yet to go. He’s gonna have to make the magic last somehow until election day next year.

            Well, everyone seems to expect this will spur Al-Qaeda on to more and more frequent attacks, both over there and over here. This is probably true, but even if it isn’t everyone is still saying it is, which as far as the White House is concerned is just as good in that it can “justify” the troops over there currently (as well as any possible new laws made over here. “For our protection”, naturally). It casts a new perspective on the war, and if he’s got good spin doctors increased fighting (or the perception of such) could help his re-election campaign. I’m wondering right now what this will mean for his election opponent–The War was a big issue last election, but if the fighting increases and it can be made to appear that the US is actually winning, or at least making significant headway, both sides pretty much have the same platform on the war and Obama can be viewed as being right all along to keep the soldiers over there.

            Basically, I’m of the opinion that as along as shit doesn’t go terribly wrong over in Afghanistan/Pakistan and no huge scandal pops up in that same area (ridiculous civilian murders, US soldiers mainlining heroin and fucking corpses, etc.), Obama’s spin doctors can keep Bin Laden’s death working for Obama in conjunction with a few more smaller “victories” in Asia.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Sadly, you’re probably right. My first thought was:

            “Okay–deed done. And by a small group of covert agents with (apparently) minimal collateral damage, and whose presence is not a part of the larger conventional military campaign. Is it still worth it to be wasting brillions of dollars and chewing up entire villages of kids in Afghanistan in order to off a single Pakistani agent?”

            It’s still a mystery to me how that question hasn’t crossed over into the mainstream media yet. That was really the motivation behind my bizarre meta-commentary experiment here

            http://www.disinfo.com/2011/05/sasquatch-sighted-at-englands-bath-abbey-osama-bin-laden-dead-at-age-54/

            It’s all very carnival like–and yet the serious facts seem to be hiding in plain sight.

            I had concluded that Americans are probably so jaded from the whole pointless spectacle of the “War on Terror” that they’ll need a lot more freak shows, more than Obama will be able to generate from now ’til November 2012, to keep them satisfied. This happening right now feels like peaking a bit too early–especially given Obama’s pronounced tendency to throw away every advantage given to him.

            But that’s probably to overestimate the public’s capacity for independent thought. When I found out about how Democrats charged with oversight of the recount in a recent election in Wisconsin totally caved in and signed off on a huge fraud by the GOP, I fell into a massive depressive stupor and couldn’t even summon the energy to blog for a while. When this news came down the wire I got sort of a second wind–like we’d been given a second chance to vanquish stupid.

            But I have to concede that past history suggests you’re right on this score. Awesome.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GYJDKHXJTWBTHQQAHHH44QPPPU GB

        you would think…

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Buried at sea within 24 hrs?? Okay…I may believe that Obama’s a citizen of the US…but I also believe he’s a fucking tool…and this reeks of fraud. Aside from the fact that in the last ten years Osama Bin Ladens pictures have only gotten sleeker, more youthful and fitter…the only thing about this that even smacks of realism is the location…a comfy compound in Pakistan rather than some mountain cave BS. The withered old dude who was characterized as the start of this back in 2001 looks very little like the healthy adult we claim died last night. I’d love evidence…but we buried that at sea…how convenient.

  • ArgosyJones

    …Bin Laden was once an American hero…

    Yeah Dave, remember back in the 80′s all the kids had Bin Laden GI Joes, T-shirts and lunch pails? Bin Laden’s first triumphant interview with Barbara Walters after the collapse of Soviet communism?…Those were the days.

  • ArgosyJones

    …Bin Laden was once an American hero…

    Yeah Dave, remember back in the 80′s all the kids had Bin Laden GI Joes, T-shirts and lunch pails? Bin Laden’s first triumphant interview with Barbara Walters after the collapse of Soviet communism?…Those were the days.

  • Bluh

    You have the freedom to SAY you don’t have freedom and to criticize the government. Try pulling that off in in Sudan or Pakistan.

  • Geneva Bokowski

    I think it’s shocking that a “modern” Western country would be so backwards as to behave in such an “eye for an eye” fashion. We grew up hearing about how two wrongs don’t make a right so what’s the message here? What kind of example does this set? Haven’t read this whole article yet but this whole thing points to much larger issues. Oh, and in the first paragraph it’s “lose”, not “loose”.

    • quartz99

      I think I might agree with you if we were talking about a random leader who just had policies we didn’t like. But bin Laden specifically declared war on the US fifteen years ago. I think we’ve prosecuted our war with al-Qaeda badly (mainly by not really going to war against them but against other countries, some of whom had no al-Qaeda influence until after we attacked there), but they declared war on us, not the other way around. And the appropriate top goal in a defensive war against a guerrilla and terrorist army is to lop off its head. Now they’ll be disorganized for a short period of time and if we’re lucky internal power struggles will weaken them or burst their organization entirely, making the remnants easier to clean up.

    • Tuna Ghost

      …so what’s the message here? What kind of example does this set?

      Unless I’m very much mistaken, I believe the message that the US is trying to send is “fuck with us and we will hunt you down and put a bullet in your fucking face” (not very eloquent, but it does have a certain visceral impact I think), with Bin Laden’s death being an example of this pledge. It’s pretty much in line with the statements made just after 9/11 and the ten years since. Not sure why you find it shocking, really.

      • masomystic

        I find that attitude shocking and unfortunately there are Americans who think like that. Going after all the bad guys isn’t going to accomplish anything. What the hell is wrong with people and their violent behaviors? Americans end up becoming what they are fighting, dont they get that?.

        There are many reasons why the US go to these countries starting wars. Protecting America is not one of them. They play the population like complete fools, and the population supports them.

        How many people must die before Americans can forgive? How many children who were not alive in 2001 must die before we see the error in our thinking. And if anyone thinks that aggressive behavior and revenge is the right way take a good look around the world you live in today and see what got us here.

        Look at how the government treats its own citizens. It has polluted our food supply, our water supply, our air supply, dumbed our schools down, Tries to sell us dangerous drugs, lies to us, steals money, gives money to criminals then forces familes onto the streets..

        Fucking God Love America! Lets blow up the whole godamn world!!!

    • Nuggett

      to Geneva: That’s a good point and something I thought of as well, but it’s possible that the US intention was to capture OBL rather than immediately kill him and the resistance wasn’t going quietly. That is, if there be any verity to the president’s disclosure. It certainly was odd timing.

  • Geneva Bokowski

    I think it’s shocking that a “modern” Western country would be so backwards as to behave in such an “eye for an eye” fashion. We grew up hearing about how two wrongs don’t make a right so what’s the message here? What kind of example does this set? Haven’t read this whole article yet but this whole thing points to much larger issues. Oh, and in the first paragraph it’s “lose”, not “loose”.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly… burying the body in 24 hrs and there not being a country willing to take the body so they dumped him in the ocean is the only part of this that _doesn’t_ sound suspicious to me. Islamic belief requires the body to be buried within 24hrs. They took dna samples, so what do they need the whole body for? It’s not like they’re going to parade it around the country in a glass box or something. By following Islamic belief in his burial, they were trying to stop at least one reason for people in Islamic countries to be upset with us. This way they can say “look, we even respected your beliefs in dealing with our most hated enemy”. I don’t think it will _help_ any, but I think it mutes _some_ of the impact he might have had as a martyr if we’d refused to bury him in accord with his beliefs.

  • Anonymous

    It also occurs to me that by burying him at sea there’s no grave marker for people to congregate around and venerate and use as a focus for a martyr’s cult.

  • Anonymous

    I think I might agree with you if we were talking about a random leader who just had policies we didn’t like. But bin Laden specifically declared war on the US fifteen years ago. I think we’ve prosecuted our war with al-Qaeda badly (mainly by not really going to war against them but against other countries, some of whom had no al-Qaeda influence until after we attacked there), but they declared war on us, not the other way around. And the appropriate top goal in a defensive war against a guerrilla and terrorist army is to lop off its head. Now they’ll be disorganized for a short period of time and if we’re lucky internal power struggles will weaken them or burst their organization entirely, making the remnants easier to clean up.

  • Coramaeday

    When the CBS news came on last night I thought they said our military already had his body for over a week and they were waiting for DNA results before announcing his death.

  • Darthtim23

    Hurray! The evil lunatic mastermind of THE BIG BAD is dead. Now we can rejoice and stuff KFC into our fat bloated stupid faces and rest assured that good will always prevail against evil, just like it does in them retard TV dramas that are piped into my house 24/7.
    Hurray! Our government and CIA are like avenging angels, acting for the good Lord himself. There is no covert resource-grabbing agenda…. it’s just good against evil.
    Hallelujah!

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      Mission accomplished: the average joe american think Muslims are are evil and should be destroyed. Who is the next BIG BAD? Is our hate of russia waning too much? China is too dangerous. Maybe we should kick the japanese in the pants while their down and set up an enemy there. “People who play Pokemon hate America!”

      • quartz99

        Well, they were trying to build Iran into the next Big Bad but that’s kind of died down recently. I don’t think we’re anywhere near seeing the end of “Islam bad!” though. I’m sure a new leader will emerge for al Qaeda or an offshoot group and we’ll just refocus on him.

        • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

          heh yeah, well theres still plenty of people that think russia is great evil communist nation. Hell, remember that BS about people saying “serves them japanese right for pearl harbor” about the earthquake/tsunami? I was amazed that people still thought that way about them.

          • quartz99

            ugh, I didn’t hear anyone say that about Japan but I can’t say I’m surprised. As Barnum said, you will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

        • Tuna Ghost

          Well I was about to say the public would never buy it because no one in their right mind could consider Iran any significant threat, especially after we plowed through Iraq with ease (formally, I mean. Obviously the aftermath was a different story), but we have spent the last ten years bombing the shit out of one of the poorest countries on earth and sending killer robots after dudes who still occasionally shoot their AKs from horseback.

          • quartz99

            lol, well put. And sadly true.

  • Darthtim23

    Hurray! The evil lunatic mastermind of THE BIG BAD is dead. Now we can rejoice and stuff KFC into our fat bloated stupid faces and rest assured that good will always prevail against evil, just like it does in them retard TV dramas that are piped into my house 24/7.
    Hurray! Our government and CIA are like avenging angels, acting for the good Lord himself. There is no covert resource-grabbing agenda…. it’s just good against evil.
    Hallelujah!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t remember the action figures, I do however remember the Rambo movie basically dedicated to him and his kind!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/RCBGZNI5LDSLNWBYTTZASC6PE4 morristhewise

    Removing the head of Osama is good news but it is not time to rest, the snake has an infinite amount of heads. The enemies of free trade and the new world order are everywhere, as soon as their ugly heads appear they must be decapitated. A dollar is in one hand of all free traders, in the other hand must be the chopping sword.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/RCBGZNI5LDSLNWBYTTZASC6PE4 morristhewise

    Removing the head of Osama is good news but it is not time to rest, the snake has an infinite amount of heads. The enemies of free trade and the new world order are everywhere, as soon as their ugly heads appear they must be decapitated. A dollar is in one hand of all free traders, in the other hand must be the chopping sword.

  • HighlySkeptical

    “DNA matching analysis was underway from samples of Bin Laden’s body, which was buried at sea” Whoops, turned out we got the wrong guy…false alarm! But seriously, we are taking the government at their word on this and we will also be taking them at their word if/when the DNA tests supposedly come back as positive. Just one more thing and an ever-expanding list of things that we will never know for sure. But it sure makes for great headlines and ratings! Now can we please pull our troops out of…what? What do you mean they used it as an excuse to go to war? They knew it was gonna happen and did nothing to stop it? But why would they…oh…I see. Well, then…

  • HighlySkeptical

    “DNA matching analysis was underway from samples of Bin Laden’s body, which was buried at sea” Whoops, turned out we got the wrong guy…false alarm! But seriously, we are taking the government at their word on this and we will also be taking them at their word if/when the DNA tests supposedly come back as positive. Just one more thing and an ever-expanding list of things that we will never know for sure. But it sure makes for great headlines and ratings! Now can we please pull our troops out of…what? What do you mean they used it as an excuse to go to war? They knew it was gonna happen and did nothing to stop it? But why would they…oh…I see. Well, then…

  • DeepCough

    Bin Laden’s death is like the Harry Potter movie: it’s something that only fans truly care about after 10 years, whereas everyone else could give a shit and say, “It’s about damn time.”

  • DeepCough

    Bin Laden’s death is like the Harry Potter movie: it’s something that only fans truly care about after 10 years, whereas everyone else could give a shit and say, “It’s about damn time.”

  • Tuna Ghost

    Well it’s not as if the US was going to give his body to anyone or put it in a grave, it was this or an incinerator. Parading his body around would only make his martyrdom that much more severe.

  • Tuna Ghost

    …so what’s the message here? What kind of example does this set?

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, I believe the message that the US is trying to send is “fuck with us and we will hunt you down and put a bullet in your fucking face” (not very eloquent, but it does have a certain visceral impact I think), with Bin Laden’s death being an example of this pledge. It’s pretty much in line with the statements made just after 9/11 and the ten years since. Not sure why you find it shocking, really.

  • Tuna Ghost

    post script: I mean, for what it’s worth, it’s exactly what I would have done. Showing the body to cameras may have crossed my mind but there’s no telling what the condition of the body was in, and killing Osama is already gonna kick up a ton of shit and there’s no reason to go and add to that.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Step out of line just a little, and you become a terrorist.

    A bit of an exaggeration, surely? There’s still a pretty high level of free speech in this country, after all. You can talk about using violence as a means of change within the US borders and the worst that will happen is that you’ll be put on a watch list (if even that, given the general incompetence of our intelligence services). I mean, I see it happen on facebook and even Disinfo all the time and to my knowledge none of my friends have disappeared into black vans yet.

  • Nuggett

    to Geneva: That’s a good point and something I thought of as well, but it’s possible that the US intention was to capture OBL rather than immediately kill him and the resistance wasn’t going quietly. That is, if there be any verity to the president’s disclosure. It certainly was odd timing.

  • Andrew

    I’ll agree to not question his death if can I have my Bill of Rights, Habeas Corpus, Posse Comitatus, and Geneva Conventions back.

  • Andrew

    I’ll agree to not question his death if can I have my Bill of Rights, Habeas Corpus, Posse Comitatus, and Geneva Conventions back.

  • White Knight

    Thanks to President Obama and our Military heroes!

    Mission accomplished!

    • Voidthought

      Thanks to Obama? What did he do? Was he with these Commandoes when they took him down? No, he was probably asleep next to his wife. How can you thank someone who does nothing but talks about things, and especially announcing thanks to Pres Obama before “our military heroes” is a fucking insult to the people who actually did the deed. And while you’re at it, might as well thank George W. for initiating the “search for Osama”(codenamed ‘War in Iraq’) in the first place.

      • MrPINKi

        He also thanked the miltary heroes as well. Im sure we’ll never get their names anyway. Like Obama or not, he’s our fucking “Comander in Chief” and he initiated the covert mission. You need a chill pill and deal with it, this has been a dirty fucking horrible war that I have lost many many friends and family in. Its time to bring our troops home but that will most likey not happen either and this is just a precursor to WWIII.

        • BuzzCoastin

          Lynch mobs never reveal the names of their members; it’s against CIA protocol.

      • quartz99

        Well actually, GWB _stalled_ the search for Osama (the actual search. Not the oil war pretexts). Clinton started it after bin Laden declared war on the US in the mid 90s. Then, later, after 9/11, only then did GWB pick it up again and claim credit for the search.

        And yeah, the President does deserve some credit for it. He could have drug his heels on it like his predecessor did, or refused to sign the order, or not put together the small, secret team. Maybe he didn’t pick the people on it individually, but it was his call whether or not to send in a couple people quietly or bomb the place or invade Pakistan or whatever other options there were. He deserves credit for making the right decisions that got bin Laden, regardless of whether you think his other decisions have been right or not.

        • Voidthought

          Well this whole ordeal is a farce in my opinion. People chanting USA and the like is so comical in its narrow scope that I cannot help but feel lonely in my perspective of the whole thing. I may not know what exactly the bigger picture is but I do realize that there is a bigger picture and that celebrating this man’s death is exactly the mindset that will keep this civilization and others from “moving on” in the search for a higher morality and principles of living better with each other. Perhaps I am just too cynical to celebrate with the masses on such a “uniting” event. When you focus on the details too much you lose your foresight and that is exactly what is happenening right now. People are so exuberant and emotionally engaged right now it seems like a perfect twist in history for something to happen that people won’t see without disengaging from the histrionics of history.

    • BuzzCoastin

      Wee at the CIA thank you for your participation and support of this psyop. Mission accomplished!

    • DrDavidKelly

      Oh stop it White Knight – no body with an IQ that would render such a comment could possibly read disinfo. You’re avin a laugh.

  • White Knight

    Thanks to President Obama and our Military heroes!

    Mission accomplished!

  • Voidthought

    Thanks to Obama? What did he do? Was he with these Commandoes when they took him down? No, he was probably asleep next to his wife. How can you thank someone who does nothing but talks about things, and especially announcing thanks to Pres Obama before “our military heroes” is a fucking insult to the people who actually did the deed. And while you’re at it, might as well thank George W. for initiating the “search for Osama”(codenamed ‘War in Iraq’) in the first place.

  • Bravo

    10 years, 2 increasingly pointless and disastrous wars, 919,967 deaths with countless injured and millions angry, and $1,188,263,000,000 later, they managed to kill ONE person.

    Bravo!

    • OrangeRose

      But think of all the military contracts that were able to be won in this holy war on terra!

  • Bravo

    10 years, 2 increasingly pointless and disastrous wars, 919,967 deaths with countless injured and millions angry, and $1,188,263,000,000 later, they managed to kill ONE person.

    Bravo!

  • http://profiles.google.com/saintzedofourlostyouth R Z

    as always- great post! thank you.

  • MrPINKi

    He also thanked the miltary heroes as well. Im sure we’ll never get their names anyway. Like Obama or not, he’s our fucking “Comander in Chief” and he initiated the covert mission. You need a chill pill and deal with it, this has been a dirty fucking horrible war that I have lost many many friends and family in. Its time to bring our troops home but that will most likey not happen either and this is just a precursor to WWIII.

  • Zombiefreeworld

    We won what? we didn’t win shit. This news is the 10th time that people have Claimed that Osama Bin Laden has been killed. What makes this different? We have no proof. No pictures no reports no nothing. Just our Wonderful non-lying very transparent Government saying that we got them. We didn’t get shit. And even if they did kill him….you think terrorism is going to stop? like all the people who are against american ways are just going to pack there suitcases and call it a day? no they are going to fight even harder to get us to our knees( to bad the American government is already doing that to themselves) this news is a simple slight of hand for us to forget what is really going on in the world. To have our attention move from Libya, The Japanese Nuclear disaster, etc. etc….

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Mission accomplished: the average joe american think Muslims are are evil and should be destroyed. Who is the next BIG BAD? Is our hate of russia waning too much? China is too dangerous. Maybe we should kick the japanese in the pants and set up an enemy there. “People who play Pokemon hate America!”

  • E.B. Wolf

    They could just congregate on the shoreline and consider the entire sea their shrine.

  • Anonymous

    And I’m sure some will. But letting them bury him directly in an accessible place with a marker would have given them a single point to congregate. If individual mourners just go to the nearest water’s edge, they’re unlikely to meet others who want to avenge him and that they can work with toward that end at particularly the spot they go to. Until someone privately puts up a memorial marker of some kind, anyway, which will probably happen, but it is unlikely to get the same press as if we did it or if we allowed his family to have the body and do so right now… besides I think the implication was that even his own family didn’t want his body so… what else are you gonna do with it?

  • Anonymous

    Well, they were trying to build Iran into the next Big Bad but that’s kind of died down recently. I don’t think we’re anywhere near seeing the end of “Islam bad!” though. I’m sure a new leader will emerge for al Qaeda or an offshoot group and we’ll just refocus on him.

  • Anonymous

    Well actually, GWB _stalled_ the search for Osama (the actual search. Not the oil war pretexts). Clinton started it after bin Laden declared war on the US in the mid 90s. Then, later, after 9/11, only then did GWB pick it up again and claim credit for the search.

    And yeah, the President does deserve some credit for it. He could have drug his heels on it like his predecessor did, or refused to sign the order, or not put together the small, secret team. Maybe he didn’t pick the people on it individually, but it was his call whether or not to send in a couple people quietly or bomb the place or invade Pakistan or whatever other options there were. He deserves credit for making the right decisions that got bin Laden, regardless of whether you think his other decisions have been right or not.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Realistically, where could they dispose of the body without creating an instant shrine to him? This is related to Quartz’ practical note about the “Not in My Back Yard” objections voiced by potential “host countries”.

    I do suppose alternative scenarios could be plausible or at least possible enough if taken individually, but my guess is that on balance any of them would create as many difficulties as they would resolve.

    I think the real thing to hold on here is the RHETORICAL significance of a United States president publically admitting, 554 news cycles before election day, that the single enduring premise “legitimizing” the presence of the American military of the region is now gone.

    I foresee, a long, ironic, painful campaign trail for a man who now has no morally acceptable reason to continue a policy he promised to abandon during the last campaign.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Wow–you hit all the bases. I guess my follow up comment was pretty redundant.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    And really, whose gonna be impressed by evidence from a basically 19th century technology that can be frauded up by any kid with a PhotoShop program?

    I do believe the general outlines of this story of Bin Laden’s death–though there are many weird missing parts to it thus far. But only because it is, on balance, probably the least un-likely scenario, rather than because there is an unassailable mass of incontrovertable evidence.

  • Suesuperb

    I saw him in the Bahamas years ago but nobody believed me, damn you KIA and FIA! I think this is a crock of onion soup!

  • Suesuperb

    I saw him in the Bahamas years ago but nobody believed me, damn you KIA and FIA! I think this is a crock of onion soup!

  • OrangeRose

    But think of all the military contracts that were able to be won in this holy war on terra!

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    heh yeah, well theres still plenty of people that think russia is great evil communist nation. Hell, remember that BS about people saying “serves them japanese right for pearl harbor” about the earthquake/tsunami? I was amazed that people still thought that way about them.

  • Alis

    There’s nothing to stop them from making a fucking tomb with a few enclosed personal effects. It’s bullshit.

  • Rc

    The whole story stinks. First of all, as most people have forgotton, Bin Laden was a CIA asset. Second, he was probably a patsy for the 9/11 false flag operation. Not even the FBI believes there’s enough proof that he was involved in the 9/11 attacks, which is why they aren’t mentioned on his profile for the FBI’s 10 most wanted list. Third, he probably died a long time ago from kidney failure. Of course it doesn’t really matter whether he died 10 years ago or last night. The warmongers will create more boogeymen to scare the masses and false flag attacks to pin on patsy boogeymen.

  • Rc

    The whole story stinks. First of all, as most people have forgotton, Bin Laden was a CIA asset. Second, he was probably a patsy for the 9/11 false flag operation. Not even the FBI believes there’s enough proof that he was involved in the 9/11 attacks, which is why they aren’t mentioned on his profile for the FBI’s 10 most wanted list. Third, he probably died a long time ago from kidney failure. Of course it doesn’t really matter whether he died 10 years ago or last night. The warmongers will create more boogeymen to scare the masses and false flag attacks to pin on patsy boogeymen.

    • pete

      This is exactly what I think.

  • Alis

    So, what’s worse? Burying him without observance to strict Muslim burial practices, as has been done and already criticized by Muslim clerics, or holding on to his body as proof of his death to help assure there’s less doubt, then burying him however?

  • Alis

    So, what’s worse? Burying him without observance to strict Muslim burial practices, as has been done and already criticized by Muslim clerics, or holding on to his body as proof of his death to help assure there’s less doubt, then burying him however?

    • BuzzCoastin

      Well, it’s okay to lynch a man without a trial, but it’s not okay to violate his right to a Muslim burial. Obviously you are unfamiliar with the Constitution of the People’s Republic of America.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    It does make me wonder if this stunt was to set the groundwork in motion for an invasion of Pakistan’s frontier…or to force concessions from them since they perpetually play both sides of the game at every turn. Theres no election gains to be made from this…unless it leads to a faster drawdown of forces…or a new conflict with public support. I am feeling very wary regarding every possibility…except the possibility that this was the original, one and only, Osama. One that one issue…I have little doubt…the DNA could easily have been acquired elsewhere and trotted out now when its convenient…and with no body left to speak of…who can argue about it after the fact. In any case where deception would be made easy to achieve because of the choices made…it probably was an act of deception…and this reeks of it.

  • pete

    This is exactly what I think.

  • Farthead

    Had him frozen for years. That was my first thought, in fact. Swear it. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

  • Farthead

    Had him frozen for years. That was my first thought, in fact. Swear it. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

  • Farthead

    Had him frozen for years. That was my first thought, in fact. Swear it. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

  • Anonymous

    He was an evil man but he made some killer falafel….

  • GoodDoktorBad

    He was an evil man but he made some killer falafel….

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Yeah–there is no single piece of evidence that could not have very easily been faked. Which is why, to my way of thinking, it is not even worth their bother. Americans are so fucking stupid, it would be a complete waste of time and $$–though again that could just as easily make it evidence for the thing as against it.

    It’s the interpretation of the narrative that seems to really influence events, not necessarily their factual substance. This very public commitment to one version seems to definitively close off some options to Obama, paint him in a corner. He and his grinning gobdaws may feel themselves on top of the world right now–but he’s 1 down and 553 yet to go. He’s gonna have to make the magic last somehow until election day next year.

    If Obama’s got some magnificent over-arching plan to put in place, and his pathetic history of incompetence suggests to me that he hasn’t, he’d better get fecking moving on it within the next couple of weeks. Time’s a wasting.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Yeah–there is no single piece of evidence that could not have very easily been faked. Which is why, to my way of thinking, it is not even worth their bother. Americans are so fucking stupid, it would be a complete waste of time and $$–though again that could just as easily make it evidence for the thing as against it.

    It’s the interpretation of the narrative that seems to really influence events, not necessarily their factual substance. This very public commitment to one version seems to definitively close off some options to Obama, paint him in a corner. He and his grinning gobdaws may feel themselves on top of the world right now–but he’s 1 down and 553 yet to go. He’s gonna have to make the magic last somehow until election day next year.

    If Obama’s got some magnificent over-arching plan to put in place, and his pathetic history of incompetence suggests to me that he hasn’t, he’d better get fecking moving on it within the next couple of weeks. Time’s a wasting.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Yeah–there is no single piece of evidence that could not have very easily been faked. Which is why, to my way of thinking, it is not even worth their bother. Americans are so fucking stupid, it would be a complete waste of time and $$–though again that could just as easily make it evidence for the thing as against it.

    It’s the interpretation of the narrative that seems to really influence events, not necessarily their factual substance. This very public commitment to one version seems to definitively close off some options to Obama, paint him in a corner. He and his grinning gobdaws may feel themselves on top of the world right now–but he’s 1 down and 553 yet to go. He’s gonna have to make the magic last somehow until election day next year.

    If Obama’s got some magnificent over-arching plan to put in place, and his pathetic history of incompetence suggests to me that he hasn’t, he’d better get fecking moving on it within the next couple of weeks. Time’s a wasting.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Yeah–there is no single piece of evidence that could not have very easily been faked. Which is why, to my way of thinking, it is not even worth their bother. Americans are so fucking stupid, it would be a complete waste of time and $$–though again that could just as easily make it evidence for the thing as against it.

    It’s the interpretation of the narrative that seems to really influence events, not necessarily their factual substance. This very public commitment to one version seems to definitively close off some options to Obama, paint him in a corner. He and his grinning gobdaws may feel themselves on top of the world right now–but he’s 1 down and 553 yet to go. He’s gonna have to make the magic last somehow until election day next year.

    If Obama’s got some magnificent over-arching plan to put in place, and his pathetic history of incompetence suggests to me that he hasn’t, he’d better get fecking moving on it within the next couple of weeks. Time’s a wasting.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Yeah–there is no single piece of evidence that could not have very easily been faked. Which is why, to my way of thinking, it is not even worth their bother. Americans are so fucking stupid, it would be a complete waste of time and $$–though again that could just as easily make it evidence for the thing as against it.

    It’s the interpretation of the narrative that seems to really influence events, not necessarily their factual substance. This very public commitment to one version seems to definitively close off some options to Obama, paint him in a corner. He and his grinning gobdaws may feel themselves on top of the world right now–but he’s 1 down and 553 yet to go. He’s gonna have to make the magic last somehow until election day next year.

    If Obama’s got some magnificent over-arching plan to put in place, and his pathetic history of incompetence suggests to me that he hasn’t, he’d better get fecking moving on it within the next couple of weeks. Time’s a wasting.

  • mmmhmmm

    “I shot Bigfoot yesterday. I ate him and dumped the remains in the lake before I could prove it. Just take my word for it. Seriously.” – Doug Stanhope

  • mmmhmmm

    “I shot Bigfoot yesterday. I ate him and dumped the remains in the lake before I could prove it. Just take my word for it. Seriously.” – Doug Stanhope

    • BuzzCoastin

      Hope Stanhope runs again in 2012, but he won’t win without Trump or Palin on his ticket.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    Well, it’s okay to lynch a man without a trial, but it’s not okay to violate his right to a Muslim burial. Obviously you are unfamiliar with the Constitution of the People’s Republic of America.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    Wee at the CIA thank you for your participation and support of this psyop. Mission accomplished!

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    Lynch mobs never reveal the names of their members; it’s against CIA protocol.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    Hey, we got Osama! Now go back to sleep and forget about the bankster crimes, the war on drugs & the out of control military spending and enjoy the friggin show.

    Otay Big Brother, I will obey.

  • BuzzCoastin

    Hey, we got Osama! Now go back to sleep and forget about the bankster crimes, the war on drugs & the out of control military spending and enjoy the friggin show.

    Otay Big Brother, I will obey.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    Hope Stanhope runs again in 2012, but he won’t win without Trump or Palin on his ticket.

  • Dr David Kelly

    Oh stop it White Knight – no body with an IQ that would render such a comment could possibly read disinfo. You’re avin a laugh.

  • Haystack

    Does everything have to be a stunt or a conspiracy? Even in a world run by ugly, power-hungry people, sometimes a monster like bin Laden gets what he deserves. Tomorrow I’ll go back to being pissed off at all the lies and injustice the that US government is perpetuating. Today I’m going to be happy that, on this one rare occasion, they actually did something I’m proud of.

    • Fusionism

      That anyone gains some “happiness” from this event, whether real or promulgated is disturbing. I imagine it is the same people that enjoyed a break from reality to watch the royal wedding. It is all MASS DISTRACTION. Buying into it (granted most of the world does) is the worst mistake anyone can make.
      And besides, nothing good can come from waging wars or killing anyone. Reveling in the death of another human being (if in fact it really happened) is something I hope we one day, never have to hear or see.

      • Haystack

        I can understand where you’re coming from, in a certain sense. I was not only against the Iraq war, but Afghanistan, too, at a time when over 90% of the country was in favor. I had entertained a naive hope that, having witnessed bloodshed on a mass scale in our own country, we would think twice before inflicting it elsewhere. That having been said, this person was both directly and indirectly responsible for horrors that have affected millions of people over the last decade or so; he’s someone who would have gladly killed me and anyone I care about in order to further his destructive cause. In this case, my sense of justice outweighs my sense of compassion.

        • Fusionism

          Then I’m sure you can understand those that call for ‘justice’ against America for what they perceive (rather hard to argue with) as the USA’s ‘destructive’ course over many years, in many countries. If you step back you see it cuts both ways, and those that revel in the death of Americans are no different to those that revel in the death of Bin Laden. We are after all, all products of the programming we have had from family, our upbringing, school, TV, religion etc. Until we realise this and denounce ALL violence, and accept once and for all we are all brothers and sisters it will never stop. There will always be a rationale for dulling compassion and allowing anger, fear and hatred to rule, until we choose for it not to.

          • Haystack

            I understand those who call for George W Bush to be tried as a war criminal. The problem is when you start lumping entire groups together, rather than specific individuals who were responsible for injustice.

  • Haystack

    Does everything have to be a stunt or a conspiracy? Even in a world run by ugly, power-hungry people, sometimes a monster like bin Laden gets what he deserves. Tomorrow I’ll go back to being pissed off at all the lies and injustice the that US government is perpetuating. Today I’m going to be happy that, on this one rare occasion, they actually did something I’m proud of.

  • The jokes on us

    Bin Laden was killed because he was about to publish his tell-all book. It was also a gift to Obama to help win the next presidential election.

  • The jokes on us

    Bin Laden was killed because he was about to publish his tell-all book. It was also a gift to Obama to help win the next presidential election.

  • Fusionism

    That anyone gains some “happiness” from this event, whether real or promulgated is disturbing. I imagine it is the same people that enjoyed a break from reality to watch the royal wedding. It is all MASS DISTRACTION. Buying into it (granted most of the world does) is the worst mistake anyone can make.
    And besides, nothing good can come from waging wars or killing anyone. Reveling in the death of another human being (if in fact it really happened) is something I hope we one day, never have to hear or see.

  • Haystack

    I can understand where you’re coming from, in a certain sense. I was not only against the Iraq war, but Afghanistan, too, at a time when over 90% of the country was in favor. I had entertained a naive hope that, having witnessed bloodshed on a mass scale in our own country, we would think twice before inflicting it elsewhere. That having been said, this person was both directly and indirectly responsible for horrors that have affected millions of people over the last decade or so; he’s someone who would have gladly killed me and anyone I care about in order to further his destructive cause. In this case, my sense of justice outweighs my sense of compassion.

  • Fusionism

    Then I’m sure you can understand those that call for ‘justice’ against America for what they perceive (rather hard to argue with) as the USA’s ‘destructive’ course over many years, in many countries. If you step back you see it cuts both ways, and those that revel in the death of Americans are no different to those that revel in the death of Bin Laden. We are after all, all products of the programming we have had from family, our upbringing, school, TV, religion etc. Until we realise this and denounce ALL violence, and accept once and for all we are all brothers and sisters it will never stop. There will always be a rationale for dulling compassion and allowing anger, fear and hatred to rule, until we choose for it not to.

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  • Anonymous

    I think you missed the part where I said “Until someone privately puts up a memorial marker of some kind, anyway, which will probably happen, but it is unlikely to get the same press as if we did it or if we allowed his family to have the body and do so right now.” And it’s unlikely that anything in that compound will be released to anyone. And who’s gonna go asking for custody of it? They’ll just end up arrested as terrorists themselves if they do. It’s not like they went in, killed him, and then just left the place without American guards. His family didn’t want the body… so that leaves only his followers. I have no doubt that they’ll build him a memorial of some kind, but they won’t be able to risk publicizing it in the same way the mainstream media would publicize an american-made grave, and that means less people drawn to it, which was my point.

  • Anonymous

    :P

  • Anonymous

    :P

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, what I’m seeing is that there’s basically no form of evidence that in non-fraudable in this situation. So unless some guy pops up claiming to be Osama, it’s best to focus on the practical impact. It doesn’t really matter if he died this week or a decade ago when you come down to it, because the whole world will react as though it happened this week, and that’s what we have to deal with.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, what I’m seeing is that there’s basically no form of evidence that in non-fraudable in this situation. So unless some guy pops up claiming to be Osama, it’s best to focus on the practical impact. It doesn’t really matter if he died this week or a decade ago when you come down to it, because the whole world will react as though it happened this week, and that’s what we have to deal with.

  • Anonymous

    ugh, I didn’t hear anyone say that about Japan but I can’t say I’m surprised. As Barnum said, you will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Yeah–there is no single piece of evidence that could not have very easily been faked. Which is why, to my way of thinking, it is not even worth their bother. Americans are so fucking stupid, it would be a complete waste of time and $$–though again that could just as easily make it evidence for the thing as against it.

    My thoughts exactly. The time and resources required to find a suitable fake, staging an “assassination”, and most importantly confirming that Bin Laden wouldn’t pop up on a video a month later laughing at the US would probably come close to the time and resources spent actually killing him.

    It’s the interpretation of the narrative that seems to really influence events, not necessarily their factual substance. This very public commitment to one version seems to definitively close off some options to Obama, paint him in a corner. He and his grinning gobdaws may feel themselves on top of the world right now–but he’s 1 down and 553 yet to go. He’s gonna have to make the magic last somehow until election day next year.

    Well, everyone seems to expect this will spur Al-Qaeda on to more and more frequent attacks, both over there and over here. This is probably true, but even if it isn’t everyone is still saying it is, which as far as the White House is concerned is just as good in that it can “justify” the troops over there currently (as well as any possible new laws made over here. “For our protection”, naturally). It casts a new perspective on the war, and if he’s got good spin doctors increased fighting (or the perception of such) could help his re-election campaign. I’m wondering right now what this will mean for his election opponent–The War was a big issue last election, but if the fighting increases and it can be made to appear that the US is actually winning, or at least making significant headway, both sides pretty much have the same platform on the war and Obama can be viewed as being right all along to keep the soldiers over there.

    Basically, I’m of the opinion that as along as shit doesn’t go terribly wrong over in Afghanistan/Pakistan and no huge scandal pops up in that same area (ridiculous civilian murders, US soldiers mainlining heroin and fucking corpses, etc.), Obama’s spin doctors can keep Bin Laden’s death working for Obama in conjunction with a few more smaller “victories” in Asia.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Well I was about to say the public would never buy it because no one in their right mind could consider Iran any significant threat, especially after we plowed through Iraq with ease (formally, I mean. Obviously the aftermath was a different story), but we have spent the last ten years bombing the shit out of one of the poorest countries on earth and sending killer robots after dudes who still occasionally shoot their AKs from horseback.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Sadly, you’re probably right. My first thought was:

    “Okay–deed done. And by a small group of covert agents with (apparently) minimal collateral damage, and whose presence is not a part of the larger conventional military campaign. Is it still worth it to be wasting brillions of dollars and chewing up entire villages of kids in Afghanistan in order to off a single Pakistani agent?”

    It’s still a mystery to me how that question hasn’t crossed over into the mainstream media yet. That was really the motivation behind my bizarre meta-commentary experiment here

    http://disinfo.com/2011/05/sasquatch-sighted-at-englands-bath-abbey-osama-bin-laden-dead-at-age-54/

    It’s all very carnival like–and yet the serious facts seem to be hiding in plain sight.

    I had concluded that Americans are probably so jaded from the whole pointless spectacle of the “War on Terror” that they’ll need a lot more freak shows, more than Obama will be able to generate from now ’til November 2012, to keep them satisfied. This happening right now feels like peaking a bit too early–especially given Obama’s pronounced tendency to throw away every advantage given to him.

    But that’s probably to overestimate the public’s capacity for independent thought. When I found out about how Democrats charged with oversight of the recount in a recent election in Wisconsin totally caved in and signed off on a huge fraud by the GOP, I fell into a massive depressive stupor and couldn’t even summon the energy to blog for a while. When this news came down the wire I got sort of a second wind–like we’d been given a second chance to vanquish stupid.

    But I have to concede that past history suggests you’re right on this score. Awesome.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    I was just thinking that this morning; it’s only a matter of time until some 300 lb redhead from Ballybumfuck puts out a video claiming to be Osama Bin Laden, having escaped and actually captured the SEALs sent to off him. And there will inevitably be some dumbasses who believe it.

    Still, on a frivolous note, it might make entertaining, if crudely macabre viewing on Youtube.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    I was just thinking that this morning; it’s only a matter of time until some 300 lb redhead from Ballybumfuck puts out a video claiming to be Osama Bin Laden, having escaped and actually captured the SEALs sent to off him. And there will inevitably be some dumbasses who believe it.

    Still, on a frivolous note, it might make entertaining, if crudely macabre viewing on Youtube.

  • Haystack

    I understand those who call for George W Bush to be tried as a war criminal. The problem is when you start lumping entire groups together, rather than specific individuals who were responsible for injustice.

  • Stace God Mclaren

    I thought most intellectual people all over the world dont believe anything the governement says?! Ex:Carlin, Hicks, Stanhope etc etc.
    America destroyed Afghanistan’s economy, infrastructure…committed enormous war crimes….take 11 years to locate one man….and where was he hiding?? right next to a nations military academy….when every teenager in India knew where osama was. Dont u think its possible that US was waiting for the right time to do this.

    GO BACK TO SLEEP AMERICA, THE TOP 1% TOLD US OSAMA IS DEAD!

    • Voidthought

      I totally agree with this and this is what I was just saying above this post! There is something bigger playing out and only those with eyes to see it know whats happenening.

  • Stace God Mclaren

    I thought most intellectual people all over the world dont believe anything the governement says?! Ex:Carlin, Hicks, Stanhope etc etc.
    America destroyed Afghanistan’s economy, infrastructure…committed enormous war crimes….take 11 years to locate one man….and where was he hiding?? right next to a nations military academy….when every teenager in India knew where osama was. Dont u think its possible that US was waiting for the right time to do this.

    GO BACK TO SLEEP AMERICA, THE TOP 1% TOLD US OSAMA IS DEAD!

  • Anonymous

    lol, well put. And sadly true.

  • Voidthought

    Well this whole ordeal is a farce in my opinion. People chanting USA and the like is so comical in its narrow scope that I cannot help but feel lonely in my perspective of the whole thing. I may not know what exactly the bigger picture is but I do realize that there is a bigger picture and that celebrating this man’s death is exactly the mindset that will keep this civilization and others from “moving on” in the search for a higher morality and principles of living better with each other. Perhaps I am just too cynical to celebrate with the masses on such a “uniting” event. When you focus on the details too much you lose your foresight and that is exactly what is happenening right now. People are so exuberant and emotionally engaged right now it seems like a perfect twist in history for something to happen that people won’t see without disengaging from the histrionics of history.

  • Voidthought

    I totally agree with this and this is what I was just saying above this post! There is something bigger playing out and only those with eyes to see it know whats happenening.

  • social misfit

    To the average ‘Murican this event has about as much goddamn impact on their lives as the royal wedding. Gas prices are still high, as is unemployment and underemployment, 50 million are still uninsured, education and infrastructure are going to hell as we sit here, and the gap between the rich and poor grows wider. I know my life hasn’t changed a damn bit nor do I know anyone personally that has been affected by it. For what it’s worth, I think the entire damn freak show is complete bullshit.

  • social misfit

    To the average ‘Murican this event has about as much goddamn impact on their lives as the royal wedding. Gas prices are still high, as is unemployment and underemployment, 50 million are still uninsured, education and infrastructure are going to hell as we sit here, and the gap between the rich and poor grows wider. I know my life hasn’t changed a damn bit nor do I know anyone personally that has been affected by it. For what it’s worth, I think the entire damn freak show is complete bullshit.

  • masomystic

    I find that attitude shocking and unfortunately there are Americans who think like that. Going after all the bad guys isn’t going to accomplish anything. What the hell is wrong with people and their violent behaviors? Americans end up becoming what they are fighting, dont they get that?.

    There are many reasons why the US go to these countries starting wars. Protecting America is not one of them. They play the population like complete fools, and the population supports them.

    How many people must die before Americans can forgive? How many children who were not alive in 2001 must die before we see the error in our thinking. And if anyone thinks that aggressive behavior and revenge is the right way take a good look around the world you live in today and see what got us here.

    Look at how the government treats its own citizens. It has polluted our food supply, our water supply, our air supply, dumbed our schools down, Tries to sell us dangerous drugs, lies to us, steals money, gives money to criminals then forces familes onto the streets..

    Fucking God Love America! Lets blow up the whole godamn world!!!

  • Underratedmind

    I just have to say as far as not making the body a shrine that is complete and utter bullshit. First of all we sure as hell did not care about what other nations or countries thought when we went to war with Afghanistan without U.N. consent at first. Nobody seemed to care about disturbing images or upsetting anyone when we killed Saddam Hussein as a matter of fact we broadcast his live execution all over media outlets. So the fact that we would act so much differently about Osama is naive. The powers of the western world have been faking reasons to go to war and restructure governments since WWII. Started with Pearl Harbour, which many believe was a set up and we went in and occupied Japan financed its restructuring and now Japan and its economy are practically part of the western industrialized world. Same thing with with many countries in South America. Now the same strategy is being implemented in the Middle East. Its a big game called Economics and the Rothschild banking cartel has all the cards in their hand.

  • Underratedmind

    I just have to say as far as not making the body a shrine that is complete and utter bullshit. First of all we sure as hell did not care about what other nations or countries thought when we went to war with Afghanistan without U.N. consent at first. Nobody seemed to care about disturbing images or upsetting anyone when we killed Saddam Hussein as a matter of fact we broadcast his live execution all over media outlets. So the fact that we would act so much differently about Osama is naive. The powers of the western world have been faking reasons to go to war and restructure governments since WWII. Started with Pearl Harbour, which many believe was a set up and we went in and occupied Japan financed its restructuring and now Japan and its economy are practically part of the western industrialized world. Same thing with with many countries in South America. Now the same strategy is being implemented in the Middle East. Its a big game called Economics and the Rothschild banking cartel has all the cards in their hand.

  • Underratedmind

    I wanna know why my last comment was deleted already

  • Underratedmind

    I wanna know why my last comment was deleted already

  • Larchoye

    Why would ANYONE believe ANYTHING the government alleges- but refuses to prove? Why does the government CLASSIFY everything it does? How come there’s such a large mass of people in denial about government lies- to the point that they’re condemning anyone who ASKS THE MOST REASONABLE QUESTION POSSIBLE? So, either you believe the government- or you believe an elaborate story about a conspiracy? CAN’T I JUST HAVE SOME FUCKING PROOF PLEASE?

    At least Alex Jones backs his shit up- whenever possible.

  • Larchoye

    Why would ANYONE believe ANYTHING the government alleges- but refuses to prove? Why does the government CLASSIFY everything it does? How come there’s such a large mass of people in denial about government lies- to the point that they’re condemning anyone who ASKS THE MOST REASONABLE QUESTION POSSIBLE? So, either you believe the government- or you believe an elaborate story about a conspiracy? CAN’T I JUST HAVE SOME FUCKING PROOF PLEASE?

    At least Alex Jones backs his shit up- whenever possible.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GYJDKHXJTWBTHQQAHHH44QPPPU GB

    you would think…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GYJDKHXJTWBTHQQAHHH44QPPPU GB

    Anything beyond bringing OBL to America, alive, and to face a country where he supposedly killed 3000 of it’s citizens is a travesty. it is beyond comprehension. Citizens, CITIZENS, not soldiers, not even in a war, plain, ordinary people going to work. Is this what we have come to? everyone forgets? wear a rubber bracelet and the world is better? I am ashamed.  ashamed to call myself American. we have become so dysfunctional nobody knows what the truth is anymore. ashamed…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GYJDKHXJTWBTHQQAHHH44QPPPU GB

    Anything beyond bringing OBL to America, alive, and to face a country where he supposedly killed 3000 of it’s citizens is a travesty. it is beyond comprehension. Citizens, CITIZENS, not soldiers, not even in a war, plain, ordinary people going to work. Is this what we have come to? everyone forgets? wear a rubber bracelet and the world is better? I am ashamed.  ashamed to call myself American. we have become so dysfunctional nobody knows what the truth is anymore. ashamed…

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