87 Responses to Anonymous Declares War On The System (Video)

  1. Tio Holtzman June 11, 2011 at 4:09 pm #

    Hack the Gibson!

    Seriously though, is this, by U.S. definition, a terrorist threat?

  2. Tio Holtzman June 11, 2011 at 12:09 pm #

    Hack the Gibson!

    Seriously though, is this, by U.S. definition, a terrorist threat?

    • Eldritch June 11, 2011 at 12:31 pm #

      Ever noticed that in the dictionary “terrorist” is a synonym of “freedom fighter”?

  3. Eldritch June 11, 2011 at 4:31 pm #

    Ever noticed that in the dictionary “terrorist” is a synonym of “freedom fighter”?

  4. Jessi B June 11, 2011 at 4:41 pm #

    An act of ‘terrorism’ simply depends on one’s point of view.

  5. Wild JESSI♀ June 11, 2011 at 12:41 pm #

    An act of ‘terrorism’ simply depends on one’s point of view.

    • SF2K01 June 11, 2011 at 2:47 pm #

      Not really. A terrorist, by definition, thrives on creating terror, and I wouldn’t exactly say Anonymous has terrorized anyone.

    • rtb61 June 12, 2011 at 2:05 am #

      Civil disobedience and demands for justice, can never be called terrorism except by terrorists, their abuse of language and their intent to deny justice by terrorising people into silence.
      When a law enforcement thug unjustly brutalises or murders a member of the public and gets away with minimal or no penalty, are the police in fact systematically terrorising the public, silence or you too will be ‘acceptable practised’ to death in an unjustifiable arrest. A public act of terrorism, step out of line, fail to obey, fail to show proper abeyance to authority and you or members of you family will be legally murdered in full public view with claims of acceptable practice.
      The obscene idea that as many members of the general public need to die to ensure the safety of law enforcement officers, regardless of the illegality of those law enforcement officers actions, is being forced upon a cowardly public.
      So how many will protest the next time a thug in uniform kills without just cause, how many will work to shut down that law enforcement agency until that officers meets true justice for the murder committed or will all the cowards terrorised by their law enforcement agencies into silence offer the future of children up for random sacrifice to demonstrate the power of authority over them.
      Each and every time a law enforcement agency gets away with unwarranted murder or brutal physical assault, that is an extreme and blatantly public act of terrorism meant to silence the public, to turn them from citizens into slaves.

      • Elemeno Pea June 12, 2011 at 6:05 pm #

        That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard.  I’m betting Jessi B is a product of college.

    • derp June 12, 2011 at 11:37 pm #

      No, terrorism is easily defined by looking it up in a dictionary.

      What you’re thinking of is alleged justification.

  6. Chaorder Gradient June 11, 2011 at 5:44 pm #

    The assumption that a revolution on this scale could be peaceful is mildly ignorant.

  7. Chaorder Gradient June 11, 2011 at 1:44 pm #

    The assumption that a revolution on this scale could be peaceful is mildly ignorant.

    Edit: I should really finish the video before i say anything… they touch on this by the end

    • dddjjj June 12, 2011 at 10:52 am #

      I disagree.
      Anon seems to be well aware that this is an Information revolution.
      The more the dark nature of our current system is exposed, even to those who would deny it most, there is no need for violent overturn of the current regimes. We will simply move on our way toward the new and the old brutalizers can either make amends and join us or exile themselves through their own unwillingness to change.

      • Chaorder Gradient June 12, 2011 at 12:20 pm #

        Well there are a lot of brutalizers. Probably most of them are at least a decade older than those in Anon, and would prefer to stick to the old ways of violence because that is all they know.

        They are going to keep on believing this is just a bunch of ignorant kids drunk on technology. It is going to be a rough road. When you try to kill a mans world with words, they may start to think their only option is to kill yours with guns. It is bittersweet that Anon knows this, because that’s proof enough that they aren’t just ignorant kids, and that they really do mean business.

  8. Amber June 11, 2011 at 5:54 pm #

    Good song choice ;)

  9. Amber June 11, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

    Good song choice ;)

  10. Anonymous June 11, 2011 at 6:47 pm #

    Not really. A terrorist, by definition, thrives on creating terror, and I wouldn’t exactly say Anonymous has terrorized anyone.

  11. HALCON June 12, 2011 at 4:11 am #

    OUR RELIGION IS CONSUMERISM,OUR CHURCH IS WALMART,AND OUR SOCIETY IS ROME ON STEROIDS

  12. HALCON June 12, 2011 at 12:11 am #

    OUR RELIGION IS CONSUMERISM,OUR CHURCH IS WALMART,AND OUR SOCIETY IS ROME ON STEROIDS

  13. Wastelandindustrial June 12, 2011 at 4:28 am #

    since when did Anonymous become such a pussified hippy.

  14. Wastelandindustrial June 12, 2011 at 12:28 am #

    since when did Anonymous become such a pussified hippy.

    • Signature 10391 June 23, 2011 at 1:13 am #

      its propaganda tripe. if you poke ur nose into sum real shit it dont smell like this. the info is around. just look for it. the mass unknowable thing that is Anonymous in no way gathered under some lulzy banner in the middle of the night. especially with these fags. check your facts disinfo. i mean. you tore the shit out of my ai wei wei post. do the same to this shite. (yeah, in case you wonder why im not posting here anymore.)

  15. Anonymous June 12, 2011 at 6:05 am #

    Civil disobedience and demands for justice, can never be called terrorism except by terrorists, their abuse of language and their intent to deny justice by terrorising people into silence.
    When a law enforcement thug unjustly brutalises or murders a member of the public and gets away with minimal or no penalty, are the police in fact systematically terrorising the public, silence or you too will be ‘acceptable practised’ to death in an unjustifiable arrest. A public act of terrorism, step out of line, fail to obey, fail to show proper abeyance to authority and you or members of you family will be legally murdered in full public view with claims of acceptable practice.
    The obscene idea that as many members of the general public need to die to ensure the safety of law enforcement officers, regardless of the illegality of those law enforcement officers actions, is being forced upon a cowardly public.
    So how many will protest the next time a thug in uniform kills without just cause, how many will work to shut down that law enforcement agency until that officers meets true justice for the murder committed or will all the cowards terrorised by their law enforcement agencies into silence offer the future of children up for random sacrifice to demonstrate the power of authority over them.
    Each and every time a law enforcement agency gets away with unwarranted murder or brutal physical assault, that is an extreme and blatantly public act of terrorism meant to silence the public, to turn them from citizens into slaves.

  16. Mines June 12, 2011 at 7:05 am #

    love the opusIII soundtrack

  17. Mines June 12, 2011 at 3:05 am #

    love the opusIII soundtrack

  18. Anonymous June 12, 2011 at 7:45 am #

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrkwgTBrW78

  19. Anonymous June 12, 2011 at 3:45 am #

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrkwgTBrW78

  20. Ziv Leyes June 12, 2011 at 11:52 am #

    As long as somebody or some organization is becoming big and strong enough to threaten the interests of the multinational corporations who rule the world, all for the money, they’ll find a way to catalog them as terrorists, they have the power, the money and the influence to do it.

    Losing power is terrifying enough for them to call it terrorism.

    I really agree with all said on the video, but on the other hand, I think putting the word “revolution” with a red star in the background, may bring some more negative associations with less pure facts on our not so far history of “revolutions”
    We’ve been there (Russia, Cuba) I’d love to believe the real communism idea is something feasible, but unfortunately is not, though it has never been tried for real ( as I said, the previous examples aren’t real communism)
    So, if this “anonymous”  would like people to join, they should be more clear about their plans, what exactly are they talking about, and how are they thinking to do it…
    Once I know more, count me in, but till then, it only remains as a nice video that we all will probably forget about in a few days…

  21. Ziv Leyes June 12, 2011 at 7:52 am #

    As long as somebody or some organization is becoming big and strong enough to threaten the interests of the multinational corporations who rule the world, all for the money, they’ll find a way to catalog them as terrorists, they have the power, the money and the influence to do it.

    Losing power is terrifying enough for them to call it terrorism.

    I really agree with all said on the video, but on the other hand, I think putting the word “revolution” with a red star in the background, may bring some more negative associations with less pure facts on our not so far history of “revolutions”
    We’ve been there (Russia, Cuba) I’d love to believe the real communism idea is something feasible, but unfortunately is not, though it has never been tried for real ( as I said, the previous examples aren’t real communism)
    So, if this “anonymous”  would like people to join, they should be more clear about their plans, what exactly are they talking about, and how are they thinking to do it…
    Once I know more, count me in, but till then, it only remains as a nice video that we all will probably forget about in a few days…

    • JaiGuru June 12, 2011 at 9:51 pm #

      I tend to agree with you. The concept of revolution is itself flawed. It is insinuated by the very definition that all revolution can accomplish is bringing that “wheel of fate” back to the point at which it began. Who in the hell wants to risk society and personal well being to merely see this shit repeat itself when our children grow up, free of the struggles we faced and ignorant of the deeper implications? To accomplish the goals of this video is actually dirt simple and as common as the heart that beats under you ribs: We must re-evaluate our concept of currency. So long as a gold standard (or any other standard for that matter, or fiat currency based around a commodity such as oil, is what we think of as power/money, then we will always be slaves to one system or another. Instead, the well being of our neighbor must become our promisary note. Our community must become our exchange. Litteracy and non-state sponsored education will be our savings and a society free of the tyranny of the small minded corporatist terrorists will be our interest.

      We are not mature enough to pull this off. It is with deep regret that I say this as I agree that we are at a crossroads of potential in western society; such a crossroads occurs only once every few centuries and we are almost certain to go down as a generation who missed theirs. Personal sacrifice and a mindset that dictates one to be more concerned with the well being of our neighbor, as opposed to being more concerned with one’s own personal comfort (PLAYSTATION complainers, over eaters, MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA, I’m looking at you), must become our motto. There is no other way. The bellies hanging off of the average American tells me they are in no way prepared for this type of movement.

      Violence, hatred, animosity, even demonising the people who are responsible for this mess can only serve the ends of revolution. A change of mind/heart, now that’s another thing altogether.

      “War is over if you want it.” John Lennon.

      • TuxSax June 13, 2011 at 4:25 am #

        You’re so right, unfortunately. You’re talking mainly about the north americans, but I can tell you that the situation is similar all around the world, and we’re so concentrated in surviving (the middle class, that is) that we cannot change our goal to want better for our neighbors, especially if that means I need to give up my PlayStation (it’s just an example, I don’t own a playstation, but you get the point)

        I’ve come to a point in my life where nothing really matters anymore, I don’t give a shit about my belongings, and every thing I keep, materially talking, is only what I really need for the day to day surviving.
        I’ve realized that “accumulation” of anything, be it any kind of old stuff, money, wealth, jewelry, books, whatever, is only putting on your shoulders a heavy weight that doesn’t allow you to make swift turns in your life, as a matter for changing your reallity. The bigger the ship, the harder and slower it turns…
        Anything you get in life, doesn’t go with you to the grave, it will stay here for the ones that still live, but in most cases, they will get rid of most of the stuff you left, or spend most of the money you left them.I don’t believe in prosperity, I don’t think you need to worry too much about what will be left after you go, or how will you be remembered by others. Most people that are remembered in history are people that made something happen. Most of us won’t do it, so why bother?
        In other words, give away your stuff, if you don’t really need it, perhaps it can be useful for someone else that doesn’t have a way to get it.Donate your extra money to the ones that need it, help making a better world.The revolution needs to happen inside you, regardless of what others do, you don’t need a crowd that agrees with you to start a revolution, you need to do it all alone by yourself, you change yourself, and then feel better you did your part, you put your grain of salt, now all you have to do is wait and hope the others do the same, all you can do to help is to spread your new way of thinking, share your enlightening with your neighbors, with love, love for yourself, love for the people of this wonderful world

        • JaiGuru June 13, 2011 at 4:49 pm #

          I couldn’t disagree more. We absolutely cannot do this on an individual level. Nothing short of a three fourths majority of western society being involved will have a lasting impact. The days of individuality at all costs are over if we wish to progress any further. (If you do not believe that, look at China’s technological/financial progress int he last 3 decades and then have a look at the nature of how they relate to individuality. They will overtake the west in every way in the next 40 years.) I do not speak of the loss of all individuality, but of giving some of it back to the collective. You’re dead on with materialism, though. Consumer culture is the life blood of the evil empire we currently live in. Television, public education, video games, and sadly our very culture all train you to be a good consumer/taxpayer. None of these things teaches you how to think and what questions to ask in order to get useful answers. There is nothing wrong with collections provided you have the fortitude to own your possessions and not be owned by them. I am not proposing we devolve into an agricultural nightmare from the past. Far from it; we must cease all unnecessary wars (some ARE necessary) and put that effort and resources into biology, healthcare, nanotechnology, and AI research immediately. The salvation of modern society is found within those disciplines.

          • TuxSax June 14, 2011 at 6:12 am #

            I wouldn’t take China as a good example, but I was saying more or less the same thing, we need to give up on ourselves a bit, for the good of the whole, but China is an extreme example of it, c’mon, most people there live their life like ants, getting paid maybe 2 dollars a month, is that what you want?

            yes, as a country, they will take over, but as individuals, I don’t think they can teach us something.
            And I’m sorry, but I don’t think ANY war is necessary. Politics and money interest makes a war necessary, it’s a very oiled mechanism, and it works so good, that people are convinced that some wars are necessary.From the point of view of the ones that start a war it is always necessary, but then, where is the limit? Who can neutrally judge if it was or not inevitable?In a war, the only ones that win are the ones that make a profit from it, by selling all kinds of supplies, whatever it takes, whatever can be sold

          • JaiGuru June 14, 2011 at 9:24 am #

            I did not mean to insinuate that China was the ideal example of where we should be headed. Rather, I meant that their system served as an easy example of the benefits a society can have with a collective-centric ideology because it has implemented this concept to an extreme. (I simply have given up on expecting Americans to be mentally responsible enough to handle subtle nuances, thus China) The “people’s republic” has a penchant for human rights violations that no westerner would (I hope) tolerate, and rightly so. Where do you get two dollars a month, I find that unlikely.

            War as a business model is very much unnecessary. It’s the most common type of war for at least the past 300 years, which is where my in depth knowledge of world history begins to cloud, though it’s fairly obvious that this model goes back plenty further. However, no one in this conversation, the video, or even myself, has suggested any means of securing necessary resources for the continuation of modern life or the growing needs of the most pressing scientific fields. The concepts in the video and that we have been debating are very strictly alternatives to Western ideology on governance and self sufficiency. The world has many differing view points and not even the World Wide Web can unite all these view points. Resource wars are tragically necessary because it is genetically ingrained in us to be incapable of getting along. Like it or not, and I don’t from an individual’s point of view, this struggle is beneficial to homosapiens  as a species. Darwinism is not an idea who’s relevance faded when we became this “something more” so many seem to think they are. Modern technology is as much an evolutionary adaptation as spears and “beaver dams”, war and religion, conservatism and liberalism…and all the massive midground between these extreme examples in which daily life tends to be lived. ( May I suggest http://blog.ted.com/2007/07/03/dan_dennett_on_2/ for a slightly more in depth discussion on applying the concept of natural selection to modern life, it’s one of the truly insightful talks on TED and, realistically, grossly under time for the huge implications of the topic at only 15 minutes. It’s primarily about memetics, but the two topics share a lot of common ground.)

            In short: There is no current force on Earth that can unite the entire human family under one ideology, and thus, the finite resources of planet Earth will and MUST be competed for. Don’t recoil from easy logic simply because it is unpleasant. We have no way of moving forward if we practice the same manner of head-in-the-sandism that got us to this nasty place to begin with. We cannot achieve the ultimate goal, but we can better our predicament by trying.

          • Anon June 24, 2011 at 4:23 pm #

               Wow… an actually intelligent, enlightening, sincere, and deep conversation on the internets. I applaud the both of you.

          • JaiGuru June 24, 2011 at 10:03 pm #

            Ziv’s got a lot of good points. We’ve got to figure this out amongst ourselves because it’s damn clear we cannot expect anything from our “leaders” anymore. It’s on us.

  22. Teodor June 12, 2011 at 12:37 pm #

    No, Phillipe!  Too soon!

  23. Teodor June 12, 2011 at 8:37 am #

    No, Phillipe!  Too soon!

  24. dddjjj June 12, 2011 at 2:52 pm #

    I disagree.
    Anon seems to be well aware that this is an Information revolution.
    The more the dark nature of our current system is exposed, even to those who would deny it most, there is no need for violent overturn of the current regimes. We will simply move on our way toward the new and the old brutalizers can either make amends and join us or exile themselves through their own unwillingness to change.

  25. Chaorder Gradient June 12, 2011 at 4:20 pm #

    Well there are a lot of brutalizers. Probably most of them are at least a decade older than those in Anon, and would prefer to stick to the old ways of violence because that is all they know.

    They are going to keep on believing this is just a bunch of ignorant kids drunk on technology. It is going to be a rough road. When you try to kill a mans world with words, they may start to think their only option is to kill yours with guns. It is bittersweet that Anon knows this, because that’s proof enough that they aren’t just ignorant kids, and that they really do mean business.

  26. Guest June 12, 2011 at 4:36 pm #

    hope they don’t go too fast too soon..

  27. Guest June 12, 2011 at 12:36 pm #

    hope they don’t go too fast too soon..

    • Guest June 13, 2011 at 2:13 pm #

      I hope they start tomorrow. . . 

  28. anonaGAY June 12, 2011 at 3:51 pm #

    Anon is a bunch of couch dwelling faggots.  hey, way to stick it to he “man” Anon and bring down EVERYONE’S Playstation Network for a month….. wow…… you really tought  the man a lesson, or better yet, everyone else that you are a bunch of fucking losers.

    LOL Seriously….. a bunch of losers from 4chan/b/   come on now….

    • SF2K01 June 12, 2011 at 4:45 pm #

      Do you seriously accept that BS from Sony that Anonymous brought down the Playstation Network? It doesn’t fit Anonymous’ MO to break things they themselves enjoy, to steal credit cards, or to leave a file saying they did it while denying they did it. Where’s the lulz (their only reason for action)? They’re just a scapegoat for Sony, one that suckers will believe so Sony can pretend it wasn’t their own damn fault.

      • Investinourftre June 13, 2011 at 11:20 am #

        Wow someone who has been paying attention.  I appreciate you.

    • Guest June 13, 2011 at 2:20 pm #

      Lulzsec was responsible for the Sony hack. 

      Anon, to the best of my knowledge, anyway, does not seek to harm the greater population–otherwise, it wouldn’t be putting up videos to encourage said population to revolt–ergo, it doesn’t steal credit card information.

  29. anonaGAY June 12, 2011 at 7:51 pm #

    Anon is a bunch of couch dwelling faggots.  hey, way to stick it to he “man” Anon and bring down EVERYONE’S Playstation Network for a month….. wow…… you really tought  the man a lesson, or better yet, everyone else that you are a bunch of fucking losers.

    LOL Seriously….. a bunch of losers from 4chan/b/   come on now….

  30. Anonymous June 12, 2011 at 8:45 pm #

    Do you seriously accept that BS from Sony that Anonymous brought down the Playstation Network? It doesn’t fit Anonymous’ MO to break things they themselves enjoy, to steal credit cards, or to leave a file saying they did it while denying they did it. Where’s the lulz (their only reason for action)? They’re just a scapegoat for Sony, one that suckers will believe so Sony can pretend it wasn’t their own damn fault.

  31. Elemeno Pea June 12, 2011 at 10:05 pm #

    That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard.  I’m betting Jessi B is a product of college.

  32. guest June 13, 2011 at 1:17 am #

    FUCK THAT GOD SPEED SHIT. other than that it’s good. post up

  33. guest June 12, 2011 at 9:17 pm #

    FUCK THAT GOD SPEED SHIT. other than that it’s good. post up

    • JaiGuru June 12, 2011 at 9:39 pm #

      The religious are a cancer. But do not make enemies out of potential allies, especially when they can be far more easily handled than the global dictatorship when peace is the law of the land.

  34. Anonymous June 13, 2011 at 1:39 am #

    The religious are a cancer. But do not make enemies out of potential allies, especially when they can be far more easily handled than the global dictatorship when peace is the law of the land.

  35. Anonymous June 13, 2011 at 1:51 am #

    I tend to agree with you. The concept of revolution is itself flawed. It is insinuated by the very definition that all revolution can accomplish is bringing that “wheel of fate” back to the point at which it began. Who in the hell wants to risk society and personal well being to merely see this shit repeat itself when our children grow up, free of the struggles we faced and ignorant of the deeper implications? To accomplish the goals of this video is actually dirt simple and as common as the heart that beats under you ribs: We must re-evaluate our concept of currency. So long as a gold standard (or any other standard for that matter, or fiat currency based around a commodity such as oil, is what we think of as power/money, then we will always be slaves to one system or another. Instead, the well being of our neighbor must become our promisary note. Our community must become our exchange. Litteracy and non-state sponsored education will be our savings and a society free of the tyranny of the small minded corporatist terrorists will be our interest.

    We are not mature enough to pull this off. It is with deep regret that I say this as I agree that we are at a crossroads of potential in western society; such a crossroads occurs only once every few centuries and we are almost certain to go down as a generation who missed theirs. Personal sacrifice and a mindset that dictates one to be more concerned with the well being of our neighbor, as opposed to being more concerned with one’s own personal comfort (PLAYSTATION complainers, over eaters, MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA, I’m looking at you), must become our motto. There is no other way. The bellies hanging off of the average American tells me they are in no way prepared for this type of movement.

    Violence, hatred, animosity, even demonising the people who are responsible for this mess can only serve the ends of revolution. A change of mind/heart, now that’s another thing altogether.

    “War is over if you want it.” John Lennon.

  36. derp June 13, 2011 at 3:37 am #

    No, terrorism is easily defined by looking it up in a dictionary.

    What you’re thinking of is alleged justification.

  37. Ziv Leyes June 13, 2011 at 8:25 am #

    You’re so right, unfortunately. You’re talking mainly about the north americans, but I can tell you that the situation is similar all around the world, and we’re so concentrated in surviving (the middle class, that is) that we cannot change our goal to want better for our neighbors, especially if that means I need to give up my PlayStation (it’s just an example, I don’t own a playstation, but you get the point)

    I’ve come to a point in my life where nothing really matters anymore, I don’t give a shit about my belongings, and every thing I keep, materially talking, is only what I really need for the day to day surviving.
    I’ve realized that “accumulation” of anything, be it any kind of old stuff, money, wealth, jewelry, books, whatever, is only putting on your shoulders a heavy weight that doesn’t allow you to make swift turns in your life, as a matter for changing your reallity. The bigger the ship, the harder and slower it turns…
    Anything you get in life, doesn’t go with you to the grave, it will stay here for the ones that still live, but in most cases, they will get rid of most of the stuff you left, or spend most of the money you left them.I don’t believe in prosperity, I don’t think you need to worry too much about what will be left after you go, or how will you be remembered by others. Most people that are remembered in history are people that made something happen. Most of us won’t do it, so why bother?
    In other words, give away your stuff, if you don’t really need it, perhaps it can be useful for someone else that doesn’t have a way to get it.Donate your extra money to the ones that need it, help making a better world.The revolution needs to happen inside you, regardless of what others do, you don’t need a crowd that agrees with you to start a revolution, you need to do it all alone by yourself, you change yourself, and then feel better you did your part, you put your grain of salt, now all you have to do is wait and hope the others do the same, all you can do to help is to spread your new way of thinking, share your enlightening with your neighbors, with love, love for yourself, love for the people of this wonderful world

  38. Anonymous June 13, 2011 at 3:20 pm #

    Wow someone who has been paying attention.  I appreciate you.

  39. Investinourftre June 13, 2011 at 11:21 am #

    Do not enrage the Zombies, they learned you were wrong off of the internet.  Anon will surprise you all very shortly.

  40. Anonymous June 13, 2011 at 3:21 pm #

    Do not enrage the Zombies, they learned you were wrong off of the internet.  Anon will surprise you all very shortly.

  41. Mr Willow June 13, 2011 at 6:13 pm #

    I hope they start tomorrow. . . 

  42. Mr Willow June 13, 2011 at 6:20 pm #

    Lulzsec was responsible for the Sony hack. 

    Anon, to the best of my knowledge, anyway, does not seek to harm the greater population–otherwise, it wouldn’t be putting up videos to encourage said population to revolt–ergo, it doesn’t steal credit card information.

  43. Anonymous June 13, 2011 at 8:49 pm #

    I couldn’t disagree more. We absolutely cannot do this on an individual level. Nothing short of a three fourths majority of western society being involved will have a lasting impact. The days of individuality at all costs are over if we wish to progress any further. (If you do not believe that, look at China’s technological/financial progress int he last 3 decades and then have a look at the nature of how they relate to individuality. They will overtake the west in every way in the next 40 years.) I do not speak of the loss of all individuality, but of giving some of it back to the collective. You’re dead on with materialism, though. Consumer culture is the life blood of the evil empire we currently live in. Television, public education, video games, and sadly our very culture all train you to be a good consumer/taxpayer. None of these things teaches you how to think and what questions to ask in order to get useful answers. There is nothing wrong with collections provided you have the fortitude to own your possessions and be owned by them. I am not proposing we devolve into an agricultural nightmare from the past. Far from it; we must cease all unnecessary wars (some ARE necessary) and put that effort and resources into biology, healthcare, nanotechnology, and AI research immediately. The salvation of modern society is found within those disciplines.

  44. Ziv Leyes June 14, 2011 at 10:12 am #

    I wouldn’t take China as a good example, but I was saying more or less the same thing, we need to give up on ourselves a bit, for the good of the whole, but China is an extreme example of it, c’mon, most people there live their life like ants, getting paid maybe 2 dollars a month, is that what you want?

    yes, as a country, they will take over, but as individuals, I don’t think they can teach us something.
    And I’m sorry, but I don’t think ANY war is necessary. Politics and money interest makes a war necessary, it’s a very oiled mechanism, and it works so good, that people are convinced that some wars are necessary.From the point of view of the ones that start a war it is always necessary, but then, where is the limit? Who can neutrally judge if it was or not inevitable?In a war, the only ones that win are the ones that make a profit from it, by selling all kinds of supplies, whatever it takes, whatever can be sold

  45. Anonymous June 14, 2011 at 1:24 pm #

    I did not mean to insinuate that China was the ideal example of where we should be headed. Rather, I meant that their system served as an easy example of the benefits a society can have with a collective-centric ideology because it has implemented this concept to an extreme. (I simply have given up on expecting Americans to be mentally responsible enough to handle subtle nuances, thus China) The “people’s republic” has a penchant for human rights violations that no westerner would (I hope) tolerate, and rightly so. Where do you get two dollars a month, I find that unlikely.

    War as a business model is very much unnecessary. It’s the most common type of war for at least the past 300 years, which is where my in depth knowledge of world history begins to cloud, though it’s fairly obvious that this model goes back plenty further. However, no one in this conversation, the video, or even myself, has suggested any means of securing necessary resources for the continuation of modern life or the growing needs of the most pressing scientific fields. The concepts in the video and that we have been debating are very strictly alternatives to Western ideology on governance and self sufficiency. The world has many differing view points and not even the World Wide Web can unite all these view points. Resource wars are tragically necessary because it is genetically ingrained in us to be incapable of getting along. Like it or not, and I don’t from an individual’s point of view, this struggle is beneficial to homosapiens  as a species. Darwinism is not and idea who’s relevance faded when we became this “something more” so many seem to think they are. Modern technology is as much an evolutionary adaptation as spears and “beaver dams”.

    In short: There is no current force on Earth that can unite the entire human family under one ideology, and thus, the finite resources of planet Earth will and MUST be competed for. Don’t recoil from easy logic simply because it is unpleasant. We have no way of moving forward if we practice the same manner of head-in0the0sandism that got us to this nasty place to begin with. We cannot achieve the ultimate goal, but we can better our predicament by trying.

  46. jw June 14, 2011 at 4:39 pm #

    “I was Typhoid Mary. I was a Leper
    with a bell around his neck. I’ve come to realize… The fear of
    being cut-out from a group of people you respect, and whose respect
    you want, and normally expect. Ah, that keeps people participating
    in anything, no… matter… how… terrible.” Daniel Ellsberg

  47. jw June 14, 2011 at 4:39 pm #

    “I was Typhoid Mary. I was a Leper
    with a bell around his neck. I’ve come to realize… The fear of
    being cut-out from a group of people you respect, and whose respect
    you want, and normally expect. Ah, that keeps people participating
    in anything, no… matter… how… terrible.” Daniel Ellsberg

  48. jw June 14, 2011 at 12:39 pm #

    “I was Typhoid Mary. I was a Leper
    with a bell around his neck. I’ve come to realize… The fear of
    being cut-out from a group of people you respect, and whose respect
    you want, and normally expect. Ah, that keeps people participating
    in anything, no… matter… how… terrible.” Daniel Ellsberg

  49. OpESR June 23, 2011 at 1:37 am #

    TODAY’S HEADLINE: “The massive non-existent group that is Anonymous, has in fact-NOT joined forces with the government Op that is @LulzSec.” ~http://tinyurl.com/yousaiddoodie

  50. OpESR June 23, 2011 at 1:39 am #

    TODAY’S HEADLINE: “The massive non-existent group that is Anonymous, has in fact-NOT joined forces with the government Op that is @LulzSec.”

  51. OpESR June 22, 2011 at 9:39 pm #

    TODAY’S HEADLINE: “The massive non-existent group that is Anonymous, has in fact-NOT joined forces with the government Op that is @LulzSec.”

  52. Jason Vorhees June 23, 2011 at 1:40 am #

    TODAY’S HEADLINE: “The massive non-existent group that is Anonymous, has in fact-NOT joined forces with the government Op that is @LulzSec.” ~http://tinyurl.com/yousaiddoodie

  53. Jason Vorhees June 22, 2011 at 9:40 pm #

    TODAY’S HEADLINE: “The massive non-existent group that is Anonymous, has in fact-NOT joined forces with the government Op that is @LulzSec.” ~http://tinyurl.com/yousaiddoodie

  54. Brdmn4u9 June 23, 2011 at 1:50 am #

    the founding fathers of this country were called terrorist by the king of england

  55. Brdmn4u9 June 22, 2011 at 9:50 pm #

    the founding fathers of this country were called terrorist by the king of england

  56. Signature 10391 June 23, 2011 at 5:13 am #

    its propaganda tripe. if you poke ur nose into sum real shit it dont smell like this. the info is around. just look for it. the mass unknowable thing that is Anonymous in no way gathered under some lulzy banner in the middle of the night. especially with these fags. check your facts disinfo. i mean. you tore the shit out of my ai wei wei post. do the same to this shite. (yeah, in case you wonder why im not posting here anymore.)

  57. Anon June 24, 2011 at 8:23 pm #

       Wow… an actually intelligent, enlightening, sincere, and deep conversation on the internets. I applaud the both of you.

  58. Anonymous June 25, 2011 at 2:03 am #

    Ziv’s got a lot of good points. We’ve got to figure this out amongst ourselves because it’s damn clear we cannot expect anything from our “leaders” anymore. It’s on us.

  59. user_un.named August 4, 2011 at 12:16 am #

    We consume, waste, ignore, repress, argue and are ultimetly destoying ourselfs anyways… This planet we call earth will be better off. Almost every corner of our planet explored and named and exploited for as long as we…have interest in it. Dispicable

  60. user_un.named August 3, 2011 at 8:16 pm #

    We consume, waste, ignore, repress, argue and are ultimetly destoying ourselfs anyways… This planet we call earth will be better off. Almost every corner of our planet explored and named and exploited for as long as we…have interest in it. Dispicable

  61. Richard Smith September 11, 2011 at 2:31 am #

    Mark this well:  Who controls the computers of the world controls the world.  Suppose that there already exist an international network of hackers so sophisticated that they could.  The “Patriot” Act, et. al., causes me to stop right here, so I will.

  62. Richard Smith September 11, 2011 at 6:31 am #

    Mark this well:  Who controls the computers of the world controls the world.  Suppose that there already exist an international network of hackers so sophisticated that they could.  The “Patriot” Act, et. al., causes me to stop right here, so I will.

  63. Richard Smith September 11, 2011 at 6:31 am #

    Mark this well:  Who controls the computers of the world controls the world.  Suppose that there already exist an international network of hackers so sophisticated that they could.  The “Patriot” Act, et. al., causes me to stop right here, so I will.

  64. Richard Smith September 11, 2011 at 6:31 am #

    Mark this well:  Who controls the computers of the world controls the world.  Suppose that there already exist an international network of hackers so sophisticated that they could.  The “Patriot” Act, et. al., causes me to stop right here, so I will.

  65. Richard Smith September 11, 2011 at 6:31 am #

    Mark this well:  Who controls the computers of the world controls the world.  Suppose that there already exist an international network of hackers so sophisticated that they could.  The “Patriot” Act, et. al., causes me to stop right here, so I will.

  66. Richard Smith September 11, 2011 at 6:31 am #

    Mark this well:  Who controls the computers of the world controls the world.  Suppose that there already exist an international network of hackers so sophisticated that they could.  The “Patriot” Act, et. al., causes me to stop right here, so I will.

  67. Richard Smith September 11, 2011 at 6:31 am #

    Mark this well:  Who controls the computers of the world controls the world.  Suppose that there already exist an international network of hackers so sophisticated that they could.  The “Patriot” Act, et. al., causes me to stop right here, so I will.

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