137 Responses to Miss USA 2011 Contestants On Evolution

  1. Hamsanath437 June 22, 2011 at 4:20 pm #

    dear god

  2. Hamsanath437 June 22, 2011 at 12:20 pm #

    dear god

  3. Jay Johnson June 22, 2011 at 4:39 pm #

    I didn’t know that science was based on public opinion surveys.

    Hmm, beliefs vs. the scientific method.  Gosh, what a toss up!

  4. Jay Johnson June 22, 2011 at 4:39 pm #

    I didn’t know that science was based on public opinion surveys.

    Hmm, beliefs vs. the scientific method.  Gosh, what a toss up!

  5. swabby429 June 22, 2011 at 12:39 pm #

    I didn’t know that science was based on public opinion surveys.

    Hmm, beliefs vs. the scientific method.  Gosh, what a toss up!

  6. Anonymous June 22, 2011 at 4:53 pm #

    Wow there’s nothing I care more about than what a bunch of people in a beauty pagent think about scientific theories!

  7. SF2K01 June 22, 2011 at 12:53 pm #

    Wow there’s nothing I care more about than what a bunch of people in a beauty pagent think about scientific theories!

  8. Jasmntea June 22, 2011 at 5:17 pm #

    Hmmm, I wonder if we should teach that the earth is round in schools? I mean, it does conflict with some religious mythologies, and someone out there might be offended and not agree, right?

  9. Jasmntea June 22, 2011 at 1:17 pm #

    Hmmm, I wonder if we should teach that the earth is round in schools? I mean, it does conflict with some religious mythologies, and someone out there might be offended and not agree, right?

  10. Anonymous June 22, 2011 at 5:26 pm #

    “Should evolution be taught in schools?”  That’s a remarkably loaded question. A really stupid question for one simple reason. It’s a  theory. It’s a theory like creationism. An idea. Ah, but a nice twist indeed on the wording of that question. It almost begs for a resounding hoooray! for creationisms continuing fight against the heathen oppressor hoards. Like “Chicken Little” they run through the streets shouting and fumbling. 

    Evolution, albeit a more physically substantiated theory or more “provable” in physical terms is still full of holes and doesn’t even really logically threaten Creationism. The theory of evolution does not attempt to explain where life came from in its origin. It cannot explain the source of life, only its progress of development from that origin. It’s physical science -not meta-physical theology. Making that distinction, science could easily be viewed as the study of God’s creation. This unknown principal factor many would call “God” still can get all the credit for existence. Yes, you can have both science AND God if you like.  

    Creationism could or should attempt to pick up where science leaves off. Instead it attempts to compete with it via zealous religious dogmas and then it becomes political. From there it is processed into dumbed- down rhetoric designed to make it appear as a black and white issue. Thus the recurring use of the phrase “both sides”in the above Miss USA video. There are a lot more than 2 sides, bimbo’s!

  11. GoodDoktorBad June 22, 2011 at 1:26 pm #

    “Should evolution be taught in schools?”  That’s a remarkably loaded question. A really stupid question for one simple reason. It’s a  theory. It’s a theory like creationism. An idea. Ah, but a nice twist indeed on the wording of that question. It almost begs for a resounding hoooray! for creationisms continuing fight against the heathen oppressor hoards. Like “Chicken Little” they run through the streets shouting and fumbling. 

    Evolution, albeit a more physically substantiated theory or more “provable” in physical terms is still full of holes and doesn’t even really logically threaten Creationism. The theory of evolution does not attempt to explain where life came from in its origin. It cannot explain the source of life, only its progress of development from that origin. It’s physical science -not meta-physical theology. Making that distinction, science could easily be viewed as the study of God’s creation. This unknown principal factor many would call “God” still can get all the credit for existence. Yes, you can have both science AND God if you like.  

    Creationism could or should attempt to pick up where science leaves off. Instead it attempts to compete with it via zealous religious dogmas and then it becomes political. From there it is processed into dumbed- down rhetoric designed to make it appear as a black and white issue. Thus the recurring use of the phrase “both sides”in the above Miss USA video. There are a lot more than 2 sides, bimbo’s!

    • jackedu317 June 22, 2011 at 1:45 pm #

      very nicely put. they all kinda had that “deer in the headlights” look, didn’t they…

    • FusionSaint June 22, 2011 at 5:19 pm #

      As the commenter on Youtube pointed out… “Gravity’s a theory too. You’re welcome to go test it by walking off a cliff if you doubt “mere theories” though.”

      • GoodDoktorBad June 22, 2011 at 5:31 pm #

        As the commenter “ FusionSaint” on Disinfo pointed out…

        ” “As the commenter on Youtube pointed out… “Gravity’s a theory too. You’re welcome to go test it by walking off a cliff if you doubt “mere theories” though.” ”

        Pass it on…

      • Guest June 22, 2011 at 8:20 pm #

        Is gravity a theory, or how it works a theory?

        • GoodDoktorBad June 22, 2011 at 10:08 pm #

          Gravity is a word for a theory. How “it” works, well that’s another thing. 

      • Gomi September 14, 2011 at 1:59 pm #

        Good job comparing Gravity with Evolution.. .very good job… NOT!

    • Guest June 22, 2011 at 10:31 pm #

      Wow.  Thank you for that.  Took all the thoughts out of my head.

    • Snietzsche June 23, 2011 at 9:33 am #

      Lay people often misinterpret the language used by scientists. And for that reason, they sometimes draw the wrong conclusions as to what the scientific terms mean. One such term that is often used interchangeably is “theory”. 

      A theory in scientific terms is what one or more hypotheses become once they have been verified and accepted to be TRUE.

      • GoodDoktorBad June 23, 2011 at 10:42 am #

        Theory lies between hypothesis and fact.  ”Accepted” to be true doesn’t make it  a true fact.
        There are many theories in the past that didn’t pass muster and are now considered ridiculous.

        • Snietzsche June 23, 2011 at 11:39 am #

          Facts are the world’s data.
          Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret
          facts. Facts don’t go away when scientists debate rival
          theories to explain them. Einstein’s theory of gravitation
          replaced Newton’s in this century, but apples didn’t
          suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And
          humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so
          by Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be
          discovered.

          • GoodDoktorBad June 23, 2011 at 12:28 pm #

            “but apples didn’t suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome.”

            Who said they did? Did you feel clever crafting that irrelevant statement?

            “And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did soby Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.”  

            You don’t know that for sure. You BELIEVE that. Flat statements like that just show that there is little difference between scientists and “lay people”. Both are prone to misconceptions and ego-mania.

          • Snietzsche June 23, 2011 at 12:56 pm #

            How was my statement irrelevant? I was responding to your observation that “many theories in the past didn’t pass muster and are now considered ridiculous.” Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection may be wrong, but evolution is an observable fact. The vast majority of scientists believe Darwin’s idea to be correct because it explains WHY evolution happens, not that it does happen. 

            “Did you feel clever crafting that irrelevant statement?” No need to get acrimonious good sir. 

          • Guest July 4, 2011 at 3:11 am #

            The vast majority of scientists believe Darwin’s idea to be correct because it explains WHY evolution happens, not that it does happen.

            I always thought evolution occurred because an organism will either adapt to its environment or die, no matter how minuscule or complex it is. Natural selection has nothing to do with it, unless Nature (as in the environment) changes the things contained within it.

      • Tuna Ghost June 24, 2011 at 5:33 am #

        I was under the impression that a scientific theory is simply a hypothesis that had been subjected to rigorous (for a given definition of the word) testing and thus far has not been proved FALSE, which is a different animal than “verified to be TRUE”.  Its a small distinction but an important one.  

        Love your name, though.  I’m totally going to steal it the next chance I get.  

        • Snietzsche June 24, 2011 at 7:45 am #

          “In science, a theory is a well-substantiated explanation or a set of statements that have been confirmed over the course of many independent experiments. In comparison, theories are more certain than hypotheses but less certain than laws. And in science, an unproved idea or a mere theoretical speculation is regarded as a hypothesis rather than a scientific theory.” – From biology-online.org
          But as I said in another post, evolution is fact, whereas Darwin’s idea of evolution by natural selection is a theory. An important distinction. I hope that helps.p.s. I stole the name from someone else so I can’t take credit haha :)

          • Tuna Ghost June 27, 2011 at 5:44 am #

            Well I’m certainly not disputing evolution as fact, micro-evolution has been proven a hundred times over in a variety of ways.  Marco-evolution has vast explanatory power and has yet to be discredited in any way, but no one calls it a law because proving it at this juncture is impossible.  At least to my knowledge no one calls it a law.  As far as I know, scientific laws such as the laws of thermodynamics are rigorously derivable from mathematical and statistical study of various experiments, which is impossible to do for macro-evolution (which is coincidentally why things like the “law of acceleration returns” is not actually a law either).  

            None of this will stop me from treating it as fact, though.  Like I said earlier, I think even the fundamentalists who claim to not “believe” in evolution or whatever other well established scientific phenomena will still, when push comes to shove, use reasoning based on these facts whether they are aware of it or not.  To put it simply, they do not know what it is they believe.  

          • Andrew July 4, 2011 at 1:03 pm #

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem

            Believing in “micro-evolution” but not “macro-evolution” is like believing in inches but not miles.

          • Tuna Ghost July 5, 2011 at 10:52 am #

            Well I’m not sure to whom you’re addressing that, but while I largely agree with your statement it changes nothing about the definition of scientific laws.  

    • Tuna Ghost June 24, 2011 at 5:37 am #

      I “liked” your comment, but I object to the “bimbos” part.  The majority of these ladies seem to be bright enough to know that they have to walk a very fine line on the subject if they hope to win, its not as if they can come right out and say “of course it should be taught you fucking idiot, what a stupid question” (although personally I’d love to hear that response and was waiting for Ms. New Jersey to throw it out between drags on her cigarette).  

      • GoodDoktorBad June 24, 2011 at 11:56 am #

        “The majority of these ladies seem to be bright enough to know that they have to walk a very fine line on the subject if they hope to win”

        Walking that fine line is exactly what makes them bimbo’s. That and the fact that they even participate in such an idiotic and shallow contest. 
        I would however give some credit to some of the women for some of there answers.

  12. Tio Holtzman June 22, 2011 at 5:40 pm #

    I think it should be left up to the Government, like everything else…

  13. Tio Holtzman June 22, 2011 at 5:40 pm #

    I think it should be left up to the Government, like everything else…

  14. Tio Holtzman June 22, 2011 at 1:40 pm #

    I think it should be left up to the Government, like everything else…

  15. jackedu317 June 22, 2011 at 5:45 pm #

    very nicely put. they all kinda had that “deer in the headlights” look, didn’t they…

  16. Anonymous June 22, 2011 at 5:55 pm #

    Why God decided to make the little head the agent of procreation rather than the big head is a profound mystery . . . .

  17. Liam_McGonagle June 22, 2011 at 1:55 pm #

    Why God decided to make the little head the agent of procreation rather than the big head is a profound mystery . . . .

  18. DeepCough June 22, 2011 at 6:02 pm #

    Well, I was expecting an opinionated trainwreck, and I pretty much got what I expected.

  19. DeepCough June 22, 2011 at 2:02 pm #

    Well, I was expecting an opinionated trainwreck, and I pretty much got what I expected.

  20. Jim June 22, 2011 at 6:25 pm #

    Hey, those babes are hot! :))

  21. Jim June 22, 2011 at 2:25 pm #

    Hey, those babes are hot! :))

    • Evolveit June 22, 2011 at 10:32 pm #

      If my penis evolves from flaccid to full boner, should those contestants be screwed in school?

  22. its who you think it is June 22, 2011 at 6:29 pm #

    Hopefully we will evolve away from these contests.

  23. its who you think it is June 22, 2011 at 2:29 pm #

    Hopefully we will evolve away from these contests.

  24. KxBk6U June 22, 2011 at 6:54 pm #

    Perhaps the state should not force exposure to the theory of evolution to those students who view the theory as too threatening. Perhaps.  But at the same time, the majority of students who do not subscribe to a literalist interpretation of the Bible need to be prepared for advanced study in biology, should they choose to undertake it.  They need to know about evolution.

  25. KxBk6U June 22, 2011 at 2:54 pm #

    Perhaps the state should not force exposure to the theory of evolution to those students who view the theory as too threatening. Perhaps.  But at the same time, the majority of students who do not subscribe to a literalist interpretation of the Bible need to be prepared for advanced study in biology, should they choose to undertake it.  They need to know about evolution.

  26. VoxMagi June 22, 2011 at 7:52 pm #

    Here’s a better question…should the dogma of one single religious branch/sect (the most radical splinter of American Evangelical Protestantism) be forcibly taught in public schools? As long we’re asking loaded questions…we might as well ask better ones….because that one pretty much defines the source of the problem, the soul of the issue…and lends itself to an appropriate answer.

  27. VoxMagi June 22, 2011 at 3:52 pm #

    Here’s a better question…should the dogma of one single religious branch/sect (the most radical splinter of American Evangelical Protestantism) be forcibly taught in public schools? As long we’re asking loaded questions…we might as well ask better ones….because that one pretty much defines the source of the problem, the soul of the issue…and lends itself to an appropriate answer.

    • Liam_McGonagle June 22, 2011 at 7:09 pm #

      Luckily for us, Trey Parker and Matt Stone conclusively identified the Church of Latter Day Saints as TOTR (i.e., “The One True Religion”).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probably_(South_Park)

      Romney/Huntsman 2012:  Proof that you really can polish a turd

  28. Poopee June 22, 2011 at 7:58 pm #

    yeah, alot of these girls obviously had trouble concocting coherent sentences…but most of them are FOR evolution being taught in schools; so you saying” If you are wondering why our society is in a death spiral of decline, this is why” is a bit condescending in my opinion. yes, they aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed…but at least most of them have their thoughts pointed in the right direction.

  29. Poopee June 22, 2011 at 3:58 pm #

    yeah, alot of these girls obviously had trouble concocting coherent sentences…but most of them are FOR evolution being taught in schools; so you saying” If you are wondering why our society is in a death spiral of decline, this is why” is a bit condescending in my opinion. yes, they aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed…but at least most of them have their thoughts pointed in the right direction.

  30. BananaFamine June 22, 2011 at 9:10 pm #

    USA! USA! USA!

  31. BananaFamine June 22, 2011 at 5:10 pm #

    USA! USA! USA!

  32. Miketomlison June 22, 2011 at 9:12 pm #

    I love the fact all of the girls from the North East and the West Coast came up with coherent sentences, but everyone else was stuck with a “deer in the headlights look” and couldn’t come up with something past “yes or no”. But really its better if we just pretend that a bearded old man just poofed us here.

  33. Miketomlison June 22, 2011 at 5:12 pm #

    I love the fact all of the girls from the North East and the West Coast came up with coherent sentences, but everyone else was stuck with a “deer in the headlights look” and couldn’t come up with something past “yes or no”. But really its better if we just pretend that a bearded old man just poofed us here.

  34. Anonymous June 22, 2011 at 9:19 pm #

    As the commenter on Youtube pointed out… “Gravity’s a theory too. You’re welcome to go test it by walking off a cliff if you doubt “mere theories” though.”

  35. Anonymous June 22, 2011 at 9:31 pm #

    As the commenter “ FusionSaint” on Disinfo pointed out…

    ” “As the commenter on Youtube pointed out… “Gravity’s a theory too. You’re welcome to go test it by walking off a cliff if you doubt “mere theories” though.” ”

    Pass it on…

  36. Will June 22, 2011 at 9:58 pm #

    Look at the bright side, 50 yrs ago the majority would have been against evolotion being taught at all.

  37. Will June 22, 2011 at 5:58 pm #

    Look at the bright side, 50 yrs ago the majority would have been against evolotion being taught at all.

  38. Guest June 22, 2011 at 10:50 pm #

    If religion is going to be taught in public schools it needs to be treated like the public and be taxed.

  39. Guest June 22, 2011 at 6:50 pm #

    If religion is going to be taught in public schools it needs to be treated like the public and be taxed.

  40. Anonymous June 22, 2011 at 11:09 pm #

    Luckily for us, Trey Parker and Matt Stone conclusively identified the Church of Latter Day Saints as TOTR (i.e., “The One True Religion”).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probably_(South_Park)

    Romney/Huntsman 2012:  Proof that you really can polish a turd

  41. d. stroyer June 23, 2011 at 12:15 am #

    This video is fucking ri-donkeydick-ulous!!! This just proves that beauty hold more weight than brains in our society. 1. Religion holds no more proof than words. Just because Tolkien wrote an incredible saga doesn’t mean hobbits are, or were real (but midgets & dwarfs are!!). 2. These bimbos fail to realize that our country was founded on the belief of separating church and state. 3. There is more proven data supporting evolution than creationism. Why doesn’t your Bible talk about dinosaurs? They must be older than “God”. It also doesn’t mention the creation of the other 8 planets which are proven without a doubt to exist. Ms. Minnesota talks about Pope John Paul II incorporating evolution into Catholicism…this is probably because the church doesn’t have the world by the throat anymore as they did in the old days. He was only very recently a religious figurehead (and lets not forget that Catholicism became popular because if you didn’t believe in it, you were killed as a heretic!). 4. There is no both sides to it..you believe in one or the other. If you believe in both, you are contradicting your own beliefs and you are an asshole!! 5. When you get to college you can take religious studies, so in actuality religion IS taught in schools (at the level of higher learning). Please do not take this as an attack on religion or your own personal beliefs (you can worship a 9-assed flying monkey for all i care!!!) I’m just sayin the proof is in the pudding….or people. or planets. or fossils. or…..

  42. d. stroyer June 22, 2011 at 8:15 pm #

    This video is fucking ri-donkeydick-ulous!!! This just proves that beauty hold more weight than brains in our society. 1. Religion holds no more proof than words. Just because Tolkien wrote an incredible saga doesn’t mean hobbits are, or were real (but midgets & dwarfs are!!). 2. These bimbos fail to realize that our country was founded on the belief of separating church and state. 3. There is more proven data supporting evolution than creationism. Why doesn’t your Bible talk about dinosaurs? They must be older than “God”. It also doesn’t mention the creation of the other 8 planets which are proven without a doubt to exist. Ms. Minnesota talks about Pope John Paul II incorporating evolution into Catholicism…this is probably because the church doesn’t have the world by the throat anymore as they did in the old days. He was only very recently a religious figurehead (and lets not forget that Catholicism became popular because if you didn’t believe in it, you were killed as a heretic!). 4. There is no both sides to it..you believe in one or the other. If you believe in both, you are contradicting your own beliefs and you are an asshole!! 5. When you get to college you can take religious studies, so in actuality religion IS taught in schools (at the level of higher learning). Please do not take this as an attack on religion or your own personal beliefs (you can worship a 9-assed flying monkey for all i care!!!) I’m just sayin the proof is in the pudding….or people. or planets. or fossils. or…..

  43. Hijacked Lantern June 23, 2011 at 12:20 am #

    Is gravity a theory, or how it works a theory?

  44. Hijacked Lantern June 23, 2011 at 12:30 am #

    Is evolution a creative design?

  45. Guest June 22, 2011 at 8:30 pm #

    Smurfs are blue.

  46. Hawaii guy June 23, 2011 at 12:34 am #

    I was really surprised at intelligent thought and input the girls gave (assuming it was impromptu and they were caught off guard), I made it through half of it and was wondering why the headline was so misleading? Does it get worse as it goes on?  Great answers from what I viewed!

  47. Hawaii guy June 22, 2011 at 8:34 pm #

    I was really surprised at intelligent thought and input the girls gave (assuming it was impromptu and they were caught off guard), I made it through half of it and was wondering why the headline was so misleading? Does it get worse as it goes on?  Great answers from what I viewed!

    • KxBk6U June 23, 2011 at 2:40 pm #

      That’s what I thought. Most of them gave a brief explanation for their answer. I don’t think they were expected to give a full dissertation.

  48. jmcanoy1860 June 23, 2011 at 1:00 am #

    Creationism isn’t a scientific theory. It is religious dogma, nothing else. Evolution is an explanation of verifiable observations. This explanation is more robust than ever as all evidence lends more support and not less. What holes are there in evolution? Please enlighten us. Don’t make strawmen out of things it was never mean’t to explain.

    As for the bimbos in the video and their comments aimed at prize winning: who cares? Their comments are tailored to their perceptions of the judges expectations.

    I will address their repeated desire to see “both sides” or “multiple sides” taught. Evolution is taught in science class. Creationism (of any flavor) is not science. Evolution is not a belief. When another theory garners over 99.99% of the support of life scientists as a valid explanation for the complexity of life then it can be taught in science class. You teach children grammar and there are no options. You teach music and there are no options (early). There is no option given for the use of “zero” in math. Let’s go back to teaching that the world is flat and that the sun moves across the firmament (as opposed to the heliocentric THEORY). Or the THEORY of gravity. Or the electromagnetic THEORY of light. Or quantum mechanical THEORY.

    How is this even a freaking question?

  49. NoodlyJames June 22, 2011 at 9:00 pm #

    Creationism isn’t a scientific theory. It is religious dogma, nothing else. Evolution is an explanation of verifiable observations. This explanation is more robust than ever as all evidence lends more support and not less. What holes are there in evolution? Please enlighten us. Don’t make strawmen out of things it was never mean’t to explain.

    As for the bimbos in the video and their comments aimed at prize winning: who cares? Their comments are tailored to their perceptions of the judges expectations.

    I will address their repeated desire to see “both sides” or “multiple sides” taught. Evolution is taught in science class. Creationism (of any flavor) is not science. Evolution is not a belief. When another theory garners over 99.99% of the support of life scientists as a valid explanation for the complexity of life then it can be taught in science class. You teach children grammar and there are no options. You teach music and there are no options (early). There is no option given for the use of “zero” in math. Let’s go back to teaching that the world is flat and that the sun moves across the firmament (as opposed to the heliocentric THEORY). Or the THEORY of gravity. Or the electromagnetic THEORY of light. Or quantum mechanical THEORY.

    How is this even a freaking question?

    • VoxMagi June 23, 2011 at 7:50 pm #

      Well…the ‘holes’ in the Theory of Evolution pretty much consist of people ignoring the last 100+ years of research and just arguing with Darwin’s original documents…which admittedly ARE flawed…but they were only the basis for the research that came later. You are absolutely right that, as it stands to day, ALL research and discovery on the subject has only confirmed the theory and refined it, changing it here and there as we grow and discover more. Its a sad comment on the state of education in the US that everyone may have an opinion about a theory…but most cannot say what constitutes a scientific theory.

  50. Anonymous June 23, 2011 at 2:08 am #

    Gravity is a word for a theory. How “it” works, well that’s another thing. 

  51. Guest June 23, 2011 at 2:31 am #

    Wow.  Thank you for that.  Took all the thoughts out of my head.

  52. Evolveit June 23, 2011 at 2:32 am #

    If my penis evolves from flaccid to full boner, should those contestants be screwed in school?

  53. downtempo June 23, 2011 at 2:33 am #

    Please learn the scientific use and definition of the word  theory…… also  Hypothesis. Also, seriously, I’m not trolling, get your shit together America. You could be, and have been, a great nation. This fundamentalist nonsense is getting out of hand. Down with this sort of thing.

  54. downtempo June 22, 2011 at 10:33 pm #

    Please learn the scientific use and definition of the word  theory…… also  Hypothesis. Also, seriously, I’m not trolling, get your shit together America. You could be, and have been, a great nation. This fundamentalist nonsense is getting out of hand. Down with this sort of thing.

  55. BuzzCoastin June 23, 2011 at 3:12 am #

    I am always interested in the musings of hot young babes on important scientific theories.  Thanks DisInfo!

  56. BuzzCoastin June 22, 2011 at 11:12 pm #

    I am always interested in the musings of hot young babes on important scientific theories.  Thanks DisInfo!

  57. Marc Cram June 23, 2011 at 3:18 am #

    All I ask if for you to take a good look at the flounder or halibut – and ask yourself is it more likely that God designed a sideways fish with two eyes on one side or is this a product of evolution? However, I do love the mental gymnastics Creationist do to explain all of the evolution oddities. 

  58. Marc Cram June 22, 2011 at 11:18 pm #

    All I ask if for you to take a good look at the flounder or halibut – and ask yourself is it more likely that God designed a sideways fish with two eyes on one side or is this a product of evolution? However, I do love the mental gymnastics Creationist do to explain all of the evolution oddities. 

    • RJC June 23, 2011 at 1:18 am #

      the question isn’t “which is more likely” at all.  two different groups will tell you two very different things that seem just as likely to both. and if you read the comments or are using your brain, you would know neither are much too favorable.  to essentially settle with evolution because you disagree with creationism would make anyone sound just as uneducated on the matter.

      • RJC June 23, 2011 at 1:25 am #

        your comment also seems very atheist vs. christian which is where i’m sure this will all go before it’s over with… to assume that a fish that looks, to you, a mere human, as imperfect would suggest that you believe if it is the product of God, then that should mean perfection in your eyes, which is simply not the case.  if we are judging by perfection, which you seem to be, i would say the fish are ‘perfect’ for the environment they are in and for the function they serve in the marine ecosystem.  perfect does not translate into visual beauty or whatever else you have been trained to believe perfect is. 

  59. Threelittlebirds123 June 23, 2011 at 4:22 am #

    SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Creationism has no place in the teachings of a public school system unless it is within the criteria of some kind of theology class. Even then, it should be approached in an unbiased and systematic manner. Private schools can address the topic as they see fit; parents and students who choose to have religion a part of their education can attend a private and specialized institution. As a non-Christian and a public school system graduate, I can say that if biblical teachings were pushed on me while I was in school, the classroom setting would have been intolerably uncomfortable. 

  60. Threelittlebirds123 June 23, 2011 at 12:22 am #

    SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Creationism has no place in the teachings of a public school system unless it is within the criteria of some kind of theology class. Even then, it should be approached in an unbiased and systematic manner. Private schools can address the topic as they see fit; parents and students who choose to have religion a part of their education can attend a private and specialized institution. As a non-Christian and a public school system graduate, I can say that if biblical teachings were pushed on me while I was in school, the classroom setting would have been intolerably uncomfortable. 

  61. RJC June 23, 2011 at 5:18 am #

    the question isn’t “which is more likely” at all.  two different groups will tell you two very different things that seem just as likely to both. and if you read the comments or are using your brain, you would know neither are much too favorable.  to essentially settle with evolution because you disagree with creationism would make anyone sound just as uneducated on the matter.

  62. RJC June 23, 2011 at 5:25 am #

    your comment also seems very atheist vs. christian which is where i’m sure this will all go before it’s over with… to assume that a fish that looks, to you, a mere human, as imperfect would suggest that you believe if it is the product of God, then that should mean perfection in your eyes, which is simply not the case.  if we are judging by perfection, which you seem to be, i would say the fish are ‘perfect’ for the environment they are in and for the function they serve in the marine ecosystem.  perfect does not translate into visual beauty or whatever else you have been trained to believe perfect is. 

  63. Small_ninja June 23, 2011 at 1:37 am #

    @GoodDoktorBad:disqus Actually, the scientific use of theory is different to the layman term (which is the equivalent of the scientific term ‘hypothesis’); it describes things that have been tested and proven many times.

  64. Small_ninja June 23, 2011 at 5:37 am #

    @GoodDoktorBad:disqus Actually, the scientific use of theory is different to the layman term (which is the equivalent of the scientific term ‘hypothesis’); it describes things that have been tested and proven many times.

  65. Marc Diethelm June 23, 2011 at 5:42 am #

    Of course people should be told about creationism in school. Along with Flying Spaghetti Monsterism and Evolution. http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/

    Also the Earth is flat and life exists only on this tiny planet. The Billions of stars in our galaxy and the Billions of other galaxies are just decoration – for us. Makes sense.

  66. Marc Diethelm June 23, 2011 at 9:42 am #

    Of course people should be told about creationism in school. Along with Flying Spaghetti Monsterism and Evolution. http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/

    Also the Earth is flat and life exists only on this tiny planet. The Billions of stars in our galaxy and the Billions of other galaxies are just decoration – for us. Makes sense.

  67. Snietzsche June 23, 2011 at 1:33 pm #

    Lay people often misinterpret the language used by scientists. And for that reason, they sometimes draw the wrong conclusions as to what the scientific terms mean. One such term that is often used interchangeably is “theory”. 

    A theory in scientific terms is what one or more hypotheses become once they have been verified and accepted to be TRUE.

  68. Anonymous June 23, 2011 at 2:42 pm #

    Theory lies between hypothesis and fact.  ”Accepted” to be true doesn’t make it  a true fact.
    There are many theories in the past that didn’t pass muster and are now considered ridiculous.

  69. Snietzsche June 23, 2011 at 3:39 pm #

    Facts are the world’s data.
    Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret
    facts. Facts don’t go away when scientists debate rival
    theories to explain them. Einstein’s theory of gravitation
    replaced Newton’s in this century, but apples didn’t
    suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And
    humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so
    by Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be
    discovered.

  70. Anonymous June 23, 2011 at 4:28 pm #

    “but apples didn’t suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome.”

    Who said they did? Did you feel clever crafting that irrelevant statement?

    “And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did soby Darwin’s proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.”  

    You don’t know that for sure. You BELIEVE that. Flat statements like that just show that there is little difference between scientists and “lay people”. Both are prone to misconceptions and ego-mania.

  71. Snietzsche June 23, 2011 at 4:56 pm #

    How was my statement irrelevant? I was responding to your observation that “many theories in the past didn’t pass muster and are now considered ridiculous.” Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection may be wrong, but evolution is an observable fact. The vast majority of scientists believe Darwin’s idea to be correct because it explains WHY evolution happens, not that it does happen. 

    “Did you feel clever crafting that irrelevant statement?” No need to get acrimonious good sir. 

  72. KxBk6U June 23, 2011 at 6:40 pm #

    That’s what I thought. Most of them gave a brief explanation for their answer. I don’t think they were expected to give a full dissertation.

  73. Sdfgh June 23, 2011 at 2:53 pm #

    americans are so fucking dumb that i feel bad for laughing at you…

    • bIrqul June 24, 2011 at 12:50 am #

      As an American, I feel it’s my place, nay, my DUTY,  to tell you to please keep laughing at us. ;)

      My only hope is to emmigrate to a county that recognizes that stupidity in a woman is unfeminine, regardless of how she looks in swimwear/evening wear/nothing at all. But then, I can be written off as “just jealous”, because I’m neither beautiful, nor someone anyone in their right mind would WANT to see in a bikini, so I’ve had to get an education. 

      I guess I’ll just have to be satisfied with that little blue card from MENSA that reads “189″… 

      • Dddd June 24, 2011 at 1:45 am #

        If your ugly, your opinion has no value. Your IQ is also irrelevant. You are a woman and women have never invented anything of true value in the history of human kind except for maybe the easy bake oven. Get back to washing your dishes and raising children like the bitch you are.

        • Tuna Ghost June 24, 2011 at 5:40 am #

          Someone who apparently doesn’t know when to use “you’re” or “your” really ought not to throw stones, genius

      • Tyler Rogers August 28, 2011 at 3:59 pm #

        Awful jackass.

      • Tyler Rogers August 28, 2011 at 3:59 pm #

        Awful jackass.

    • Tuna Ghost June 24, 2011 at 5:14 am #

      Did you watch the video?  I’m halfway through and so far the majority appear to support evolution being taught in schools.  There’s a lot of soft language and few come right out and say “yes of course” (Miss Connecticut and Delaware did, though) because they’re trying to win a ridiculous contest so they have to walk a fine line, but few seemed to reject the notion. 

      …then again, Miss Indiana seems unaware that evolution is currently taught in schools, so maybe a few chuckles are in order.

  74. Sdfgh June 23, 2011 at 6:53 pm #

    americans are so fucking dumb that i feel bad for laughing at you…

  75. Adam Good June 23, 2011 at 5:30 pm #

    If evolution shouldn’t be taught, what about another controversial theory: gravity?
    This video re-mix of the contestants’ answers replaces “evolution” with “gravity” to highlight the complete absurdity of their responses.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGqx-IXckK4

  76. Adam Good June 23, 2011 at 9:30 pm #

    If evolution shouldn’t be taught, what about another controversial theory: gravity?
    This video re-mix of the contestants’ answers replaces “evolution” with “gravity” to highlight the complete absurdity of their responses.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGqx-IXckK4

  77. VoxMagi June 23, 2011 at 11:50 pm #

    Well…the ‘holes’ in the Theory of Evolution pretty much consist of people ignoring the last 150 years of research and just arguing with Darwin’s original documents…which admittedly ARE flawed…but they were only the basis for the research that came later. You are absolutely right that, as it stands to day, ALL research and discovery on the subject has only confirmed the theory and refined it, changing it here and there as we grow and discover more. Its a sad comment on the state of education in the US that everyone may have an opinion about a theory…but most cannot say what constitutes a scientific theory.

  78. Anticosmic June 23, 2011 at 11:42 pm #

    people don’t understand what evolution is, this isn’t a religious or belief issue, this is essential science

  79. Anticosmic June 24, 2011 at 3:42 am #

    people don’t understand what evolution is, this isn’t a religious or belief issue, this is essential science

  80. bIrqul June 24, 2011 at 4:50 am #

    As an American, I feel it’s my place, nay, my DUTY,  to tell you to please keep laughing at us. ;)

    My only hope is to emmigrate to a county that recognizes that stupidity in a woman is unfeminine, regardless of how she looks in swimwear/evening wear/nothing at all. But then, I can be written off as “just jealous”, because I’m neither beautiful, nor someone anyone in their right mind would WANT to see in a bikini, so I’ve had to get an education. 

    I guess I’ll just have to be satisfied with that little blue card from MENSA that reads “189″… 

  81. Dddd June 24, 2011 at 5:45 am #

    If your ugly, your opinion has no value. Your IQ is also irrelevant. You are a woman and women have never invented anything of true value in the history of human kind except for maybe the easy bake oven. Get back to washing your dishes and raising children like the bitch you are.

  82. Dddd June 24, 2011 at 5:45 am #

    If your ugly, your opinion has no value. Your IQ is also irrelevant. You are a woman and women have never invented anything of true value in the history of human kind except for maybe the easy bake oven. Get back to washing your dishes and raising children like the bitch you are.

  83. Tuna Ghost June 24, 2011 at 9:14 am #

    Did you watch the video?  I’m halfway through and so far the majority appear to support evolution being taught in schools.  There’s a lot of soft language and few come right out and say “yes of course” (Miss Connecticut and Delaware did, though) because they’re trying to win a ridiculous contest so they have to walk a fine line, but few seemed to reject the notion. 

    …then again, Miss Indiana seems unaware that evolution is currently taught in schools, so maybe a few chuckles are in order.

  84. Tuna Ghost June 24, 2011 at 9:30 am #

    Well I’m disappointed that so many frame it as a choice between two contradicting beliefs.  Even many of the contestants that believe it should be taught in schools claim that it should be thus so that students can “make a choice”, which is frankly ridiculous.  Overall, though, the majority seem in favor of it, so I’m not sure why the title and description of the video are so snarky.  

    Hmmm the phrase “what people want to believe” is being thrown around a lot, which I think indicates a fundamental flaw in many of these ladies’ thinking.  I would wager that the vast majority of the people who claim to reject scientific theories on the grounds that they conflict with the Bible would, if push came to shove, use reasoning based off the principles they claim to “not believe”.  

    All in all, the video really wasn’t that painful.  I’m curious why the presenter thinks it is.  

  85. Tuna Ghost June 24, 2011 at 5:30 am #

    Well I’m disappointed that so many frame it as a choice between two contradicting beliefs.  Even many of the contestants that believe it should be taught in schools claim that it should be thus so that students can “make a choice”, which is frankly ridiculous.  Overall, though, the majority seem in favor of it, so I’m not sure why the title and description of the video are so snarky.  

    Hmmm the phrase “what people want to believe” is being thrown around a lot, which I think indicates a fundamental flaw in many of these ladies’ thinking.  I would wager that the vast majority of the people who claim to reject scientific theories on the grounds that they conflict with the Bible would, if push came to shove, use reasoning based off the principles they claim to “not believe”.  

    All in all, the video really wasn’t that painful.  I’m curious why the presenter thinks it is.  

  86. Tuna Ghost June 24, 2011 at 9:33 am #

    I was under the impression that a scientific theory is simply a hypothesis that had been subjected to rigorous (for a given definition of the word) testing and thus far has not been proved FALSE, which is a different animal than “verified to be TRUE”.  Its a small distinction but an important one.  

    Love your name, though.  I’m totally going to steal it the next chance I get.  

  87. Tuna Ghost June 24, 2011 at 9:37 am #

    I “liked” your comment, but I object to the “bimbos” part.  The majority of these ladies seem to be bright enough to know that they have to walk a very fine line on the subject if they hope to win, its not as if they can come right out and say “of course it should be taught you fucking idiot, what a stupid question” (although personally I’d love to hear that response and was waiting for Ms. New Jersey to throw it out between drags on her cigarette).  

  88. Tuna Ghost June 24, 2011 at 9:40 am #

    Someone who apparently doesn’t know when to use “you’re” or “your” really ought not to throw stones, genius

  89. Snietzsche June 24, 2011 at 11:45 am #

    “In science, a theory is a well-substantiated explanation or a set of statements that have been confirmed over the course of many independent experiments. In comparison, theories are more certain than hypotheses but less certain than laws. And in science, an unproved idea or a mere theoretical speculation is regarded as a hypothesis rather than a scientific theory.” – From biology-online.org
    But as I said in another post, evolution is fact, whereas Darwin’s idea of evolution by natural selection is a theory. An important distinction. I hope that helps.p.s. I stole the name from someone else so I can’t take credit haha :)

  90. Anonymous June 24, 2011 at 3:56 pm #

    “The majority of these ladies seem to be bright enough to know that they have to walk a very fine line on the subject if they hope to win”

    Walking that fine line is exactly what makes them bimbo’s. That and the fact that they even participate in such an idiotic and shallow contest. 
    I would however give some credit to some of the women for some of there answers.

  91. Athenmccombs June 25, 2011 at 3:17 am #

    What a bunch of nonsense.
    They do not have a clue about what they are talking about.

  92. Athenmccombs June 24, 2011 at 11:17 pm #

    What a bunch of nonsense.
    They do not have a clue about what they are talking about.

  93. Tuna Ghost June 27, 2011 at 9:44 am #

    Well I’m certainly not disputing evolution as fact, micro-evolution has been proven a hundred times over in a variety of ways.  Marco-evolution has vast explanatory power and has yet to be discredited in any way, but no one calls it a law because proving it at this juncture is impossible.  At least to my knowledge no one calls it a law.  As far as I know, scientific laws such as the laws of thermodynamics are rigorously derivable from mathematical and statistical study of various experiments, which is impossible to do for macro-evolution (which is coincidentally why things like the “law of acceleration returns” is not actually a law either).  

    None of this will stop me from treating it as fact, though.  Like I said earlier, I think even the fundamentalists who claim to not “believe” in evolution or whatever other well established scientific phenomena will still, when push comes to shove, use reasoning based on these facts whether they are aware of it or not.  To put it simply, they do not know what it is they believe.  

  94. Mr Willow July 4, 2011 at 7:11 am #

    The vast majority of scientists believe Darwin’s idea to be correct because it explains WHY evolution happens, not that it does happen.

    I always thought evolution occurred because an organism will either adapt to its environment or die, no matter how minuscule or complex it is. Natural selection has nothing to do with it, unless Nature (as in the environment) changes the things contained within it.

  95. Andrew July 4, 2011 at 5:03 pm #

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem

    Believing in “micro-evolution” but not “macro-evolution” is like believing in inches but not miles.

  96. Tuna Ghost July 5, 2011 at 2:52 pm #

    Well I’m not sure to whom you’re addressing that, but while I largely agree with your statement it changes nothing about the definition of scientific laws.  

  97. Anonymous July 19, 2011 at 6:57 pm #

    Jesus christ… I love women and I love America, but maybe we should just wipe this bunch out and start the contest over again.  Its  mortifying how stupid our young women are.  Try asking the same question anywhere in Europe.  And is it just me, or does every beauty contestant in this country look like the same fat faced, smiling bufoon that theyve always been? Ive known for a while that America had reached the fat Elvis stage, but its much worse…

  98. aeneas808 July 19, 2011 at 2:57 pm #

    Jesus christ… I love women and I love America, but maybe we should just wipe this bunch out and start the contest over again.  Its  mortifying how stupid our young women are.  Try asking the same question anywhere in Europe.  And is it just me, or does every beauty contestant in this country look like the same fat faced, smiling bufoon that theyve always been? Ive known for a while that America had reached the fat Elvis stage, but its much worse…

  99. Dmitry August 28, 2011 at 1:04 am #

    They shouldn’t even bother asking a person whose basic function is to look pretty what should be taught in school. I think Juliana Hatfield said it best with this lyric: “The highest paid piece of ass, you know is not gonna last. Those magazines end up in the trash.”

  100. Dmitry August 28, 2011 at 5:04 am #

    They shouldn’t even bother asking a person whose basic function is to look pretty what should be taught in school. I think Juliana Hatfield said it best with this lyric: “The highest paid piece of ass, you know is not gonna last. Those magazines end up in the trash.”

  101. Tituscrow August 28, 2011 at 1:31 pm #

    I’m sorry Miss Idaho…”you should be knowledged about it”? Really? Tho it does amuse me that it’s viewed as a belief system…

  102. Tituscrow August 28, 2011 at 1:31 pm #

    I’m sorry Miss Idaho…”you should be knowledged about it”? Really? Tho it does amuse me that it’s viewed as a belief system…

  103. Tituscrow August 28, 2011 at 9:31 am #

    I’m sorry Miss Idaho…”you should be knowledged about it”? Really? Tho it does amuse me that it’s viewed as a belief system…

  104. Tyler Rogers August 28, 2011 at 7:59 pm #

    Awful jackass.

  105. Gomi September 14, 2011 at 5:59 pm #

    Good job comparing Gravity with Evolution.. .very good job… NOT!

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