Obama: Attacking Libya Is Not War, Because Americans Are Not Dying

LIBYA/How did the Obama administration authorize military action in Libya without congressional approval? Via a novel redefining of “war”, the Nation reports:

American planes are entering Libyan air space, they are dropping bombs, and the bombs are killing and injuring people and destroying things. It is war. Some say it is a good war and some say it is a bad war, but surely it is a war.

Nonetheless, the Obama administration insists it is not a war. Why? Because the balance of forces is so lopsided in favor of the United States. War is only war, it seems, when Americans are dying, when we die. When only they, the Libyans, die, it is something else for which there is as yet apparently no name. When they attack, it is war. When we attack, it is not.

According to “United States Activities in Libya,” a thirty-two-page report that the administration released last week, “U.S. operations do not involve sustained fighting or active exchanges of fire with hostile forces, nor do they involve the presence of U.S. ground troops, U.S. casualties or a serious threat thereof, or any significant chance of escalation into a conflict characterized by those factors.”

[It's] a remarkable justification for going to war against Libya without the Congressional approval required by the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973.

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  • Anonymous

    A rose by any other name is still a rose ….and just as full of thorns

  • GoodDoktorBad

    A rose by any other name is still a rose ….and just as full of thorns

  • Fabelluk44

    war is war no matter who is dying when you drop bombs on a country and kill its population its war there is no other word in the human vocabulary to discribe it or to replace it. war is wrong its evil. war is a crime against humanity.  its just another way to eliminate some of the worlds population and all governments are guilty of this crime.  

  • Fabelluk44

    war is war no matter who is dying when you drop bombs on a country and kill its population its war there is no other word in the human vocabulary to discribe it or to replace it. war is wrong its evil. war is a crime against humanity.  its just another way to eliminate some of the worlds population and all governments are guilty of this crime.  

    • jackedu317

      we could just call it slaughter… mass murder… genocide… take your pick…

  • Anonymous

    Ironic how the name Obama sounds so much like “I’ll bomb ya”…

  • GoodDoktorBad

    Ironic how the name Obama sounds so much like “I’ll bomb ya”…

    • Guest

      that’s not irony. 

    • jackedu317

      and osama

  • Anonymous

    Fair play to yer honor.  Would you then care to observe the constitutional niceties required by a Declaration of Murder, Mr. Obama?

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Fair play to yer honor.  Would you then care to observe the constitutional niceties required by a Declaration of Murder, Mr. Obama?

  • Mr. Coffee

    LIBYA IS A MYTH CREATED BY THE LIBERAL ELITE TO EXPLAIN WHERE ALL THE MONEY KEEPS GOING ONLY THE MISINFORMED THINK DIFFERENT

  • Mr. Coffee

    LIBYA IS A MYTH CREATED BY THE LIBERAL ELITE TO EXPLAIN WHERE ALL THE MONEY KEEPS GOING ONLY THE MISINFORMED THINK DIFFERENT

    • GoodDoktorBad

      Well then please, mis-inform us…

    • Liam_McGonagle

      That’s an interesting Soviet-style line of reasoning:  Dissent from your unsupported opinion is an ipso facto proof of error.

      • GoodDoktorBad

        No, he must mean that Libya doesn’t really exist. Its a myth. Of course, the “liberal elite” need to explain where all the “money” keeps going, the big cash-toilet of all the other wars must have clogged up and they need a new spin or flush valve or something.

        • Liam_McGonagle

          Ah yes, I see.  We’re witnessing a variation of “What you say bounces off Republicans and sticks to Dems”.

          Pretty hard for your or me to call a classic warmonger tactic “Liberal”, in the historic sense of the word, though.  Even if Obama and his supporters are dumb enough to believe it.  Just as Orwellian as calling the use of lethal force where none of your guys are exposed to appreciable danger anything other than murder.

          What’s your thought?  Am I over-interpreting the original, extremely sparse comment?  Or have we just seen a particularly inept attempt at Right Wing trolling?

          • GoodDoktorBad

            “Am I over-interpreting the original, extremely sparse comment?  Or have we just seen a particularly inept attempt at Right Wing trolling?” 

            Well, yes….and yes. Mr’ Coffee is defiantly a troll either by design, freak of nature or just a sincere whackjob.
            I was just having a little fun…

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Sometimes I think that’s why God created idiots:  For our amusement.  Savour, don’t censure!

          • GoodDoktorBad

            Even Jesus hates us…

          • GoodDoktorBad

            I thought you mis-spelled “savior” but you mis-spelled “savor” -or is that some old English spelling like “shoppe” or “colour”? 

            Savior, don’t censure is pretty funny too. That’s why I said Jesus hates us….lol

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Yeah, I am pretty fkucing slppy with my spelling.  S/B “savor”.  But I’m cool w/ either interpretation.

          • Mr. Coffee

            Yes, it was an inept attempt to troll. I really didn’t know what to do with this one.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Fair play.  They can’t all be gems.  And honestly, I think most of these other comments were along a similar line.  A little strategic blasphemy, even if not always stunningly successful, can help break up group-think.

  • Anonymous

    Well then please, mis-inform us…

  • Anonymous

    That’s an interesting Soviet-style line of reasoning:  Dissent from your unsupported opinion is an ipso facto proof of error.

  • Anonymous

    No, he must mean that Libya doesn’t really exist. Its a myth. Of course, the “liberal elite” need to explain where all the “money” keeps going, the big cash-toilet of all the other wars must have clogged up and they need a new spin or flush valve or something.

  • Anonymous

    Ah yes, I see.  We’re witnessing a variation of “What you say bounces off Republicans and sticks to Dems”.

    Pretty hard for your or me to call a classic warmonger tactic “Liberal”, in the historic sense of the word, though.  Even if Obama and his supporters are dumb enough to believe it.  Just as Orwellian as calling the use of lethal force where none of your guys are exposed to appreciable danger anything other than murder.

    What’s your thought?  Am I over-interpreting the original, extremely sparse comment?  Or have we just seen a particularly inept attempt at Right Wing trolling?

  • Anonymous

    “Am I over-interpreting the original, extremely sparse comment?  Or have we just seen a particularly inept attempt at Right Wing trolling?” 

    Well, yes….and yes. Mr’ Coffee is defiantly a troll either by design, freak of nature or just a sincere whackjob.
    I was just having a little fun…

  • Anonymous

    Sometimes I think that’s why God created idiots:  For our amusement.  Savour, don’t censure!

  • Anonymous

    Even Jesus hates us…

  • Anonymous

    So once an american dies, it’s illegal? Awesome, I’ve got my fingers crossed.

  • JoiquimCouteau

    So once an american dies, it’s illegal? Awesome, I’ve got my fingers crossed.

  • Guest

    that’s not irony. 

  • Voidthought

    Is this a joke? What the hell has America come to? “War is a state of armed and often prolonged conflict carried on between states, nations, or other parties typified by extreme aggression, societal disruption, and high mortality. As a behavior pattern, warlike tendencies are found in many primate species, including humans, and also found in many ant species. The set of techniques used by a group to carry out war is known as warfare. An absence of war is usually called peace.War generally involves two or more organized groups or parties. Such a conflict is always an attempt at altering either the psychological or material hierarchy of domination or equality between such groups. In all cases, at least one participant (group) in the conflict perceives the need to either psychologically or materially dominate the other participant.” – Via Wikipedia, We have to believe Obama because he got the Nobel Peace Prize…

  • Voidthought

    Is this a joke? What the hell has America come to? “War is a state of armed and often prolonged conflict carried on between states, nations, or other parties typified by extreme aggression, societal disruption, and high mortality. As a behavior pattern, warlike tendencies are found in many primate species, including humans, and also found in many ant species. The set of techniques used by a group to carry out war is known as warfare. An absence of war is usually called peace.War generally involves two or more organized groups or parties. Such a conflict is always an attempt at altering either the psychological or material hierarchy of domination or equality between such groups. In all cases, at least one participant (group) in the conflict perceives the need to either psychologically or materially dominate the other participant.” – Via Wikipedia, We have to believe Obama because he got the Nobel Peace Prize…

  • jackedu317

    and osama

  • jackedu317

    we could just call it slaughter… mass murder… genocide… take your pick…

  • E.B. Wolf

    Mark this down as the event where Obama officially jumped the shark.

  • E.B. Wolf

    Mark this down as the event where Obama officially jumped the shark.

    • GoodDoktorBad

      Fonzie would be proud…

  • KxBk6U

    War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength… you know the rest

  • KxBk6U

    War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength… you know the rest

  • Anonymous

    I thought you mis-spelled “savior” but you mis-spelled “savor” -or is that some old English spelling like “shoppe” or “colour”? 

    Savior, don’t censure is pretty funny too. That’s why I said Jesus hates us….lol

  • BringThemHomeNOW

    Ron Paul 2012: the ONLY candidate who has promised to bring home ALL of the troops, immediately. 

  • BringThemHomeNOW

    Ron Paul 2012: the ONLY candidate who has promised to bring home ALL of the troops, immediately. 

    • Mr. Coffee

      I’d rather vote for fucking Yoda you twit

    • Alan

      Ron Paul is “controlled opposition”. To keep you waiting and hoping for the next election. While you have been waiting 4 years for the next election, they enslaved you for another 4 years…
      The one thing they DON’T want, is for people to give up all hope for elections alltogether. THEN the revolution starts, and THEN the Elite is in danger. So they pay people like Ron Paul and put him in the media for you to keep you hoping…THEIR power lies in people’s hopes and dreams……

  • Mr. Coffee

    Yes, it was an inept attempt to troll. I really didn’t know what to do with this one.

  • Mr. Coffee

    I’d rather vote for fucking Yoda you twit

  • Alan

    Ron Paul is “controlled opposition”. To keep you waiting and hoping for the next election. While you have been waiting 4 years for the next election, they enslaved you for another 4 years…
    The one thing they DON’T want, is for people to give up all hope for elections alltogether. THEN the revolution starts, and THEN the Elite is in danger. So they pay people like Ron Paul and put him in the media for you to keep you hoping…THEIR power lies in people’s hopes and dreams……

  • cakey pig

    To think those Norwegian cretins gave him the Nobel Peace Prize….
    He might well be a liberal at home, but he has willfully inherited the Neo-Con foreign policy from his predecessor, with its bullshit Grand Narrative where everything USA does is ‘good’ and those who stand in its way are ‘evil’.
    A war is a war is a war is a war is a war is a war…..
    You duplicitous fuck.

  • Anonymous

    To think those Norwegian cretins gave him the Nobel Peace Prize….
    He might well be a liberal at home, but he has willfully inherited the Neo-Con foreign policy from his predecessor, with its bullshit Grand Narrative where everything USA does is ‘good’ and those who stand in its way are ‘evil’.
    A war is a war is a war is a war is a war is a war…..
    You duplicitous fuck.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, I am pretty fkucing slppy with my spelling.  S/B “savor”.  But I’m cool w/ either interpretation.

  • Anonymous

    Fair play.  They can’t all be gems.  And honestly, I think most of these other comments were along a similar line.  A little strategic blasphemy, even if not always stunningly successful, can help break up group-think.

  • Anonymous

    Fonzie would be proud…

  • Anonymous

    Fonzie would be proud…

  • Curumim

    Americans are the new nazi, each time that dumb bicth Clinton come here in Brazil she acts as if americans are superior in i dont know what. Each time i read or hear american news is the same crappy thing: any foreigners of anywhere have much less worth than your preciouss americans that dont have nothing between ther ears. I still dont understand why you gringos conplain about american life and mostly money loss in wars that you people started and dont even bother of all those non-american lives that you people ruined. I still dont understand why you people can live in a state of constant war and behave as if it dosent hapening and as if it is normal.

  • Curumim

    Americans are the new nazi, each time that dumb bicth Clinton come here in Brazil she acts as if americans are superior in i dont know what. Each time i read or hear american news is the same crappy thing: any foreigners of anywhere have much less worth than your preciouss americans that dont have nothing between ther ears. I still dont understand why you gringos conplain about american life and mostly money loss in wars that you people started and dont even bother of all those non-american lives that you people ruined. I still dont understand why you people can live in a state of constant war and behave as if it dosent hapening and as if it is normal.

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