Would You Buy A License Plate With A Confederate Flag On It?

If you live in Texas, you might have that choice quite soon.  CBSDFW.com reports:

Would you buy a license plate with a Confederate flag on it? State officials are looking at possibly launching a new Texas state license plate honoring veterans of the War Between the States.

Mr. Hilary Shelton, with the NAACP in Washington, D.C., said that the Civil War may not be something we want to celebrate.

“When many look at that history, we think about it in terms of secession, that is we were seceding from the Union in the southern parts of the country,” explained Shelton. “Many would view that, quite frankly, as treason, because they meant to actually destroy the existing governmental structure. But when we dig deeper, the issue becomes even more offensive to many African Americans and those that sought freedom for those of darker skin in our country.”

“When you understand the Confederate history, and what it stood for,” said Dallas resident Mark Jones, “it’s directly slapping African Americans in the face.”

In terms of the Civil War, Shelton said that the Confederate flag was actually very un-American. “It was the flag that was flown during a war to actually tear the nation apart,” Shelton explained.

“I don’t think that this will unify us,” said Carrollton resident Carolina Arreola. “Our patriotism is to the Unites States flag.”

But the Texas Sons of Confederate Veterans have renewed their push for a Texas license plate that includes the rebel flag in its design…

[continues at CBSDFW.com]

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  • Anonymous

     I’ve never understood the appeal… it has a lot of racist connotations, but even with out the whole “slave thing” … it’s a flag of traitors…. and losers…?

  • samthor

     I’ve never understood the appeal… it has a lot of racist connotations, but even with out the whole “slave thing” … it’s a flag of traitors…. and losers…?

    • Anonymous

      it also represents the spirit of states rights and rebellion in the face of over-bearing laws

      • Jaymalls

        lmao… you really believe that???

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      Heh… Want to know something funny about the whole “slave thing”? The majority of those in the north that wanted an end to “slavery” weren’t talking about black slaves; they were talking about ending the wage-slavery and social/economic stratification. Freeing the black slaves was almost just a last minute publicity ploy, and probably was just a necessary decision from all the farmland that was being unused by reparations and such. There was little moral righteousness to it.

      The civil war was a class war where half the nation got tricked. In the end the losers were everyone that desired freedom, states rights, and a federal government as the constitution demanded were the losers. North and South. The traitors were just the ones that followed the slightly more self sustainable leaders(unfortunately with slaves so not really).

      The confusion comes from the age old rule that the winners of wars write the history.
      There’s good reason people want to remember the war, a lot of the issues it was (really) about, are cropping up today…

      • Liam_McGonagle

        Last time I was in Ireland I got a lot of shit about that as the token Yank.  “Your Civil War was not about slavery!  Your country is a moral stinkhole that invented the concept of Evil!”

        To which I replied: “If we own the patent on Evil, there are some folks on this island that owe us pretty hefty royalty checks.”

        I think it’s not commonly appreciated that the mere theoretical acceptance of slavery did massive damage to American economy, politics and soul.  It created enormous distortions in the labor market; it effectively subsidized otherwise unsustainable, old fashioned and wasteful sectors of the agricultural base; it skewed the electoral college in favor of idle Southern aristocrats and it coarsened our outlook towards the civil rights of all people, black, white, red and in-between.

        Reconstruction started with great promise, but ended in total failure because the public imagination just wasn’t up to going the whole nine yards in one generation.  More than a little disappointing, but sadly well within historical norms for the pacing of progressive movements.

        On balance, though, I think it’s hard to make it through any reasonably complete reading of American history and conclude that the Civil War was NOT about slavery.  It most definitely WAS about slavery.  Just not in the simplistic, stereotypically cartoonish ways flag-waving jingoists would like us to believe.

        • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

          Fair enough. Not much to argue against there.

          • Liam_McGonagle

            Maybe my comment was a little gratituitous.  I think we’re just offering alternate statements of the same general thesis.  Elsewhere I think I recapped variations that lay more emphasis on class struggle like you did.  And that approach is probably more applicable these days anyhow.

    • tooCents

      Being from the South I’ve been annoyed by this shit since I was a kid. Honestly it is just like so many cultural things. Part of the continuing appeal is people from other parts of the country simply paying serious attention to it, you know. And you call it symbol of losers. It’s made real through the recognition.

  • Anonymous

    it also represents the spirit of states rights and rebellion in the face of over-bearing laws

  • Anonymous

    Well, why not?  So long as they balance it out by offering an Al Quaida logo, too.  I don’t think it’s constitutionally permissable to create a second, discriminatory class of legal recognition for a barely distinguishable anti-American symbol.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    Well, why not?  So long as they balance it out by offering an Al Quaida logo, too.  I don’t think it’s constitutionally permissable to create a second, discriminatory class of legal recognition for a barely distinguishable anti-American symbol.

  • Anonymous

    WTF is this? What purposes could this possibly serve? Do certain factions in Texas wan’t to secede? 

    Warped!!

  • GoodDoktorBad

    WTF is this? What purposes could this possibly serve? Do certain factions in Texas wan’t to secede? 

    Warped!!

    • Liam_McGonagle

      Yeah.  Stoopid is not only persistent, but apparently contagious.  Remember that Jackass Palin’s husband was a member of an Alaskan secessionist party.

      But I’m a consensus kind of guy.  I think we can make this all work out.  I say that the idea of REQUIRING Texas to secede has considerable appeal for the rest of the nation.

      • GoodDoktorBad

        Funny, truly. 

        But before any state could secede, expect a very bloody civil war. One that might shatter whatever is left of this “Union”. 

        • DeepCough

          Why so serious? Texas has been threatening to secede since it joined the Union. The only “bloody war” that would come from a secession of Texas would be from Mexico taking its territory back, because if you withdraw all that federal government support to protect the southern border today, Mexico will be that much closer to drive to in the morning.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            You make a good point about Mexico. But the connotations of seceding would set up a whole new “us and them” paradigm with the rest of the country, which is already fractured and bleeding despite the “business as usual” line of bullshit the media constantly feeds us. 

          • DeepCough

            We’re still talking about crazy Texas, right?

          • GoodDoktorBad

            Yup…

          • DeepCough

             Really, because all this talk of violence in Texas committed on behalf of the federal government due to right-wing separatism already happened–in Waco.

          • Igloonuge

            not true many states will join Texas

        • Igloonuge

          its already too late

      • Hadrian999

        i like all the succession talk, mass succession is the only way to prevent a imperial federal government, the way the united states is structured gives control to a vast supply of resources,personnel, and equipment into the hands of too few people, as long as there is a united states there will be an imperialist regime atop it.

        • Liam_McGonagle

          You never saw the film “Confederate States of America” then?
           
          http://www.csathemovie.com/
           
          Yes, that’s roaringly funny to think that the incompetent elite of a faded agricultural paradigm really believed they could conquer Latin America.  But it happens to be fact, not fiction.  The Confederacy really did have imperialist plans.
           
          The problem is a lack of maturity and vision in the leadership, not the size of the polity.  “Divide and Conquer” very rarely works out great for the little guy.

        • Igloonuge

          i agree dont forget what thr war of northern agression was really about.States Souverntry

    • http://www.facebook.com/ewop07 Ernest Brown

      Remember there are a lot of groups (so called patriots) who have been trying for years to make Texas a Sovereign Nation.

      • GoodDoktorBad

        Let them have their dust bowl full of “patriots” and KKK maggots. 

        I apologize to the few but silent good folk in Texas. There must be some somewhere.  

        • TennesseeCyberian

          In your rush to be not-a-racist, you have made the second most bigoted remark you could make, next to “I hate all people in Texas.”

          Imagine if I said, “Let the Mexicans maggots have their Aztec Paradise back.  I apologize tot he few but silent good folk in Mexico.  There must be some somewhere.”

          Inject anyone else, the blacks, the Jews, the Muslims, the LGBTs, any protected group, and I’m guessing you would be right there to blindly defend them.  But white Texans concerned about their right to self-determination are outside your umbrella of liberal tolerance.

          Hypocrisy is a slippery slope, my friend.  Watch your step.

          • TennesseeCyberian

            That should’ve been “to the few” not “tot he few.”

            Incidentally, Tot He Few was a famous colonel in the Khmer Rouge who wore cowboy hats, and yet hated Texans.  A good man.

          • GoodDoktorBad

            I should have said “seemingly few”. We hear a lot more about the negative attitudes that “seem” to permeate the Texan psyche than we hear about opposition to those same attitudes. 

            But you’re right, if taken literally and not sarcastically as it was meant when written, it was a hypocritical thing to say. My bad, my friend.

    • Igloonuge

      yes and for good reason

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Heh… Want to know something funny about the whole “slave thing”? The majority of those in the north that wanted an end to “slavery” weren’t talking about black slaves; they were talking about ending the wage-slavery and social/economic stratification. Freeing the black slaves was almost just a last minute publicity ploy, and probably was just a necessary decision from all the farmland that was being unused by reparations and such. There was little moral righteousness to it.

    The civil war was a class war where half the nation got tricked. In the end the losers were everyone that desired freedom, states rights, and a federal government as the constitution demanded were the losers. North and South. The traitors were just the ones that followed the slightly more self sustainable leaders(unfortunately with slaves so not really).

    The confusion comes from the age old rule that the winners of wars write the history.
    There’s good reason people want to remember the war, a lot of the issues it was (really) about, are cropping up today…

  • SQkB

    Mr. Hilary Shelton, with the NAACP in Washington, D.C., said” WAAAAAAAAH wah wah wah WAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!”

  • Anonymous

    Yeah.  Stoopid is not only persistent, but apparently contagious.  Remember that Jackass Palin’s husband was a member of an Alaskan secessionist party.

    But I’m a consensus kind of guy.  I think we can make this all work out.  I say that the idea of REQUIRING Texas to secede has considerable appeal for the rest of the nation.

  • SQkB

    Mr. Hilary Shelton, with the NAACP in Washington, D.C., said” WAAAAAAAAH wah wah wah WAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!”

    • GoodDoktorBad

      No, YOU said that ….and it came out of your ass, asshole.

  • Anonymous

    Last time I was in Ireland I got a lot of shit about that as the token Yank.  “Your Civil War was not about slavery!  Your country is a moral stinkhole that invented the concept of Evil!”

    To which I replied: “If we own the patent on Evil, there are some folks on this island that owe us pretty hefty royalty checks.”

    I think it’s not commonly appreciated that the mere theoretical acceptance of slavery did massive damage to American economy, politics and soul.  It created enormous distortions in the labor market; it effectively subsidized otherwise unsustainable, old fashioned and wasteful sectors of the agricultural base; it skewed the electoral college in favor of idle Southern aristocrats and it coarsened our outlook towards the civil rights of all people, black, white, red and in-between.

    Reconstruction started with great promise, but ended in total failure because the public imagination just wasn’t up to going the whole nine yards in one generation.  More than a little disappointing, but sadly well within historical norms for the pacing of progressive movements.

    On balance, though, I think it’s hard to make it through any reasonably complete reading of American history and conclude that the Civil War was NOT about slavery.  It most definitely WAS about slavery.  Just not in the simplistic, stereotypically cartoonish ways flag-waving jingoists would like us to believe.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Fair enough. Not much to argue against there.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe my comment was a little gratituitous.  I think we’re just offering alternate statements of the same general thesis.  Elsewhere I think I recapped variations that lay more emphasis on class struggle like you did.  And that approach is probably more applicable these days anyhow.

  • Anonymous

    Funny, truly. 

    But before any state could secede, expect a very bloody civil war. One that might shatter whatever is left of this “Union”. 

  • blabla

    Then allow a Mexican one :) 

  • blabla

    Then allow a Mexican one :) 

  • http://www.facebook.com/ewop07 Ernest Brown

    Remember there are a lot of groups (so called patriots) who have been trying for years to make Texas a Sovereign Nation.

  • Anonymous

    Let them have their dust bowl full of “patriots” and KKK maggots. 

    I apologize to the few but silent good folk in Texas. There must be some somewhere.  

  • Anonymous

    No, YOU said that ….and it came out of your ass, asshole.

  • DeepCough

    Why so serious? Texas has been threatening to secede since it joined the Union. The only “bloody war” that would come from a secession of Texas would be from Mexico taking its territory back, because if you withdraw all that federal government support to protect the southern border today, Mexico will be that much closer to drive to in the morning.

  • InZen

    Would you buy a license plate with a Swastika on it? It’s basically the same thing. NOT COOL!!!

    • Igloonuge

      no its not the same . The south will rise again.Secession is enevitable .

  • InZen

    Would you buy a license plate with a Swastika on it? It’s basically the same thing. NOT COOL!!!

  • Anonymous

    You make a good point about Mexico. But the connotations of seceding would set up a whole new “us and them” paradigm with the rest of the country, which is already fractured and bleeding despite the “business as usual” line of bullshit the media constantly feeds us. 

  • Hadrian999

    i might do it just to piss people off, I would rather have a chaostar on my plates though

    • Diehard

      I knew a black soldier from Chicago who would wear a confederate belt buckle to piss off the “guys from the block.” People are sick of symbols being taken too seriously, especially in a culture that worships that corporate sociopath. Hitler should have started apple…

      • Hadrian999

        a couple of guys in my platoon were like that

  • Hadrian999

    i might do it just to piss people off, I would rather have a chaostar on my plates though

  • DeepCough

    We’re still talking about crazy Texas, right?

  • DeepCough

    We’re still talking about crazy Texas, right?

  • Hadrian999

    i like all the succession talk, mass succession is the only way to prevent a imperial federal government, the way the united states is structured gives control to a vast supply of resources,personnel, and equipment into the hands of too few people, as long as there is a united states there will be an imperialist regime atop it.

  • BuzzCoastin

    I’m thinking a LulzSec plate would be a good compromise.  It would honor those who wish to oppose the US federal bureaucracy but not dis those who are offended by the racist policies of the Confederacy.  It could read: “I Lulz Texas!”

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    I’m thinking a LulzSec plate would be a good compromise.  It would honor those who wish to oppose the US federal bureaucracy but not dis those who offended by the racist policies of the Confederacy.  It could read: “I Lulz Texas!”

  • Anonymous

    Yup…

  • DeepCough

     Really, because all this talk of violence in Texas committed on behalf of the federal government due to right-wing separatism already happened–in Waco.

  • DeepCough

     Really, because all this talk of violence in Texas committed on behalf of the federal government due to right-wing separatism already happened–in Waco.

  • JoJoDancer

    In your rush to be not-a-racist, you have made the second most bigoted remark you could make, next to “I hate all people in Texas.”

    Imagine if I said, “Let the Mexicans maggots have their Aztec Paradise back.  I apologize tot he few but silent good folk in Mexico.  There must be some somewhere.”

    Inject anyone else, the blacks, the Jews, the Muslims, the LGBTs, any protected group, and I’m guessing you would be right there to blindly defend them.  But white Texans concerned about their right to self-determination are outside your umbrella of liberal tolerance.

    Hypocrisy is a slippery slope, my friend.  Watch your step.

  • JoJoDancer

    That should’ve been “to the few” not “tot he few.”

    Incidentally, Tot He Few was a famous colonel in the Khmer Rouge who wore cowboy hats, and yet hated Texans.  A good man.

  • Anonymous

    I should have said “seemingly few”. We hear a lot more about the negative attitudes that “seem” to permeate the Texan psyche than we hear about opposition to those same attitudes. 

    But you’re right, if taken literally and not sarcastically as it was meant when written, it was a hypocritical thing to say. My bad, my friend.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I think these are a great idea…because it allows the rest of us to pinpoint EXACTLY who the shitheads on this continent are…and ostracize them completely.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I think these are a great idea…because it allows the rest of us to pinpoint EXACTLY who the shitheads on this continent are…and ostracize them completely.

    • tooCents

      Oh yes, like people don’t already let you know. One way or another. And in terms of advertising their shitheadedness while driving a vehicle, Americans luv their bumper stickers. 

  • Diehard

    I knew a black soldier from Chicago who would wear a confederate belt buckle to piss off the “guys from the block.” People are sick of symbols being taken too seriously, especially in a culture that worships that corporate sociopath. Hitler should have started apple…

  • Anonymous

    lmao… you really believe that???

  • Hadrian999

    a couple of guys in my platoon were like that

  • Anonymous

    You never saw the film “Confederate States of America” then?
     
    http://www.csathemovie.com/
     
    Yes, that’s roaringly funny to think that the incompetent elite of a faded agricultural paradigm really believed they could conquer Latin America.  But it happens to be fact, not fiction.  The Confederacy really did have imperialist plans.
     
    The problem is a lack of maturity and vision in the leadership, not the size of the polity.  “Divide and Conquer” very rarely works out great for the little guy.

  • Aphex_vogt

    Yes, because I like how easy it is to stir controversy and get people excited. Although I’m not racist, everyone and everything seems stupid to me today … IMO Country and Hip-hop should be outlawed because those two genres of music are re-creating the divide between Whites and Blacks in “The South” that Blues settled a long time ago.

    You, Me and The Devil Makes 3!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK4p432u8Ls

  • Aphex_vogt

    Yes, because I like how easy it is to stir controversy and get people excited. Although I’m not racist, everyone and everything seems stupid to me today … IMO Country and Hip-hop should be outlawed because those two genres of music are re-creating the divide between Whites and Blacks in “The South” that Blues settled a long time ago.

    You, Me and The Devil Makes 3!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK4p432u8Ls

    • Nuggett

      Hip-hop and country do not contribute to any division that wasn’t already there.  These artforms are an expression of culture and may be used as mechanisms for cultural division, unfortunately, if the artist desires it so.

        

      • Igloonuge

        political correctness is a farce STAND UP do the rite thing now

  • Nuggett

    Hip-hop and country do not contribute to any division that wasn’t already there.  These artforms are an expression of culture and may be used as mechanisms for cultural division, unfortunately, if the artist desires it so.

      

  • Jesse bailey

    My Great Great Grandfather fought in the Civil War, and i would be an honer to him for me to put a Confederate plate on my car and my motorcycle, you have to remember the Confederate Flag is part of our Southern Heritage.

    • Igloonuge

      yes,and the south will rise again.we must seperate The north can stay liberal Not the south Bring it were ready>

  • Jesse bailey

    My Great Great Grandfather fought in the Civil War, and i would be an honer to him for me to put a Confederate plate on my car and my motorcycle, you have to remember the Confederate Flag is part of our Southern Heritage.

  • Igloonuge

    no its not the same . The south will rise again.Secession is enevitable .

  • Igloonuge

    yes,and the south will rise again.we must seperate The north can stay liberal Not the south Bring it were ready>

  • Igloonuge

    yes and for good reason

  • Igloonuge

    i agree dont forget what thr war of northern agression was really about.States Souverntry

  • Igloonuge

    its already too late

  • Igloonuge

    not true many states will join Texas

  • Igloonuge

    political correctness is a farce STAND UP do the rite thing now

  • Anonymous

    Oh yes, like people don’t already let you know. One way or another. And in terms of advertising their shitheadedness while driving a vehicle, Americans luv their bumper stickers. 

  • tooCents

    Is it the battle flag or the national flag of the Confederacy?

    This makes a difference.

    Anyway, I’m sick of the American flag everywhere. Burn that shit. Fuck all flags. SO, sure let people have their Confederate flags on their license plates.

    Screw you Yankee hypocrites. with your factories filled with children and exploited, hungry, impoverished immigrant below subsistence wage slaves. Screw the South for it’s clinging to that horrible cause. Fuck America for it’s bullshit. A license plate with a fat round pink pig on it for everybody.

  • Anonymous

    Is it the battle flag or the national flag of the Confederacy?

    This makes a difference.

    Anyway, I’m sick of the American flag everywhere. Burn that shit. Fuck all flags. SO, sure let people have their Confederate flags.

  • Anonymous

    Being from the South I’ve been annoyed by this shit since I was a kid. Honestly it is just like so many cultural things. Part of the continuing appeal is people from other parts of the country simply paying serious attention to it, you know. And you call it symbol of losers. It’s made real through the recognition.

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