What Did the Oslo Killer Want?

OsloThe author of this document, one Anders Behring Breikviks, has confessed. Blake Hounshell writes on Foreign Policy:

I have just finished reading through what appears to be the 1,518-page manifesto and handbook of the alleged perpetrator of the worst terrorist attack in Norwegian history.

The manifesto, bylined by someone calling himself Andrew Berwick, is entitled “2083: A European Declaration of Independence” and was posted on Stormfront.org, a white supremacist website, and discovered by American blogger Kevin I. Slaughter.

In it, “Berwick” declares himself a “Justiciar Knight Commander,” a leading member of a “re-founded” Knights Templar group formed at an April 2002 meeting in London. He claims the founding group has 9 members, whom he does not name, and that three other sympathizers were not able to attend the original meeting.

“Our purpose,” the document reads, is to “seize political and military control of Western European countries and implement a cultural conservative political agenda.”

In grim, apocalyptic language, it advocates attacks on “traitors” across Europe who are supposedly enabling a Muslim takeover of the continent.

“[W]e should… not exceed (per 2010) aprox. 45 000 dead and 1 million wounded cultural Marxists/multiculturalists in Western Europe,” the author writes. “The time for dialogue is over. We gave peace a chance. The time for armed resistance has come.”

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  • Hadrian999

    what is the purpose of defending western culture if it leads to the same barbarism that jihad does?

  • Hadrian999

    what is the purpose of defending western culture if it leads to the same barbarism that jihad does?

    • Mr Willow

      Because then the Christians will be in charge, instead of those scary Muslims, and the whole world will make sense. *cough*

    • SF2K01

      The difference is that western culture despises this man and views him as a sick sociopath. Western culture recognizes the inherent evil and wrongness of what this guy did. In other parts of the world, however, they’d give him a freaking medal and worship him for his part in trying to uphold righteous values and build shrines to him and name streets after him. Western culture can lead to the same barbarism, but at the same time it’s much easier to recognize that barbarity for what it is. That’s the value of defending western culture.

      • Hadrian999

        i was speaking more to the trend of abandoning ideals while claiming to defend them, tainting and destroying that which you seek to defend, an all too common thing today.

      • Anarchy Pony

        I can think of a lot of people in western culture that would be happy to give this guy a medal. And a lot of them would condemn him out loud but praise him internally. Most of those people are in the Tea Party.
        Moreover, western culture has by and large been far far more destructive and barbaric over its long history than almost all others. The ghosts of Native Americans who’s children were flailed to death against trees by the colonizers can attest to that, the ghosts of African slaves can attest to that, over 1,000,000 dead Iraqis can attest to that, the ghosts of millions of Buffalo and trillions of trees can attest to that. 
        Go back further and the victims and slaves of the Greeks and the Romans can attest to that.
        Don’t pretend your bullshit society has a monopoly on reasonability, and justice. Your entire society is sociopathic. 

        • Jin The Ninja

          exactly. thank you.

        • SF2K01

          Strange that I don’t see any celebrations in the streets for this guy. Don’t really see any western cultural groups hailing what he did as heroic bravery. Compare to the celebrations that follow such attacks by other groups who do the same exact thing. The point you’re trying to make simply doesn’t hold any water. 

          I don’t speak at all in favor of those who have historically been a part of the west and done horrendous acts. Historically I agree western culture has been equally barbaric, but again the difference is that western culture has moved beyond that while other cultures still have not and are stuck in a mentality that supports barbarity.The mention of the dead Iraqis is also a disconnect as that is not a cultural conflict, but a war from corrupt leaders, which is a universal problem.

      • Tuna Ghost

        In other parts of the world, however, they’d give him a freaking medal and worship him for his part in trying to uphold righteous values and build shrines to him and name streets after him. 
        What parts of the world would those be, out of curiousity?  Are you thinking of nations, areas, or just organizations?

    • echar

      From my perspective all cultures can lead to barbarism or
      have been barbaric at some point. It’s a natural occurrence in our social
      makeup and events like this give us all an opportunity to create an awareness of
      this. We can all make a choice to reroute our barbarism into actions that serve
      the greater good by building , instead of destroying.  

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  • Jbar

    I would choose to live under al qaeda over the christian extremists.

  • Jbar

    I would choose to live under al qaeda over the christian extremists.

    • Mr Willow

      I would very much prefer a lack of religious extremists, thank you.

    • SF2K01

      Six of one, half a dozen of the other. The only difference is which is the bigger problem right now, and I don’t know too many fundamentalist christian dictatorships currently in the world today.

      • Hadrian999

        the LRA is trying maybe in a few years you’ll get to see one

      • Hadrian999

        the LRA is trying maybe in a few years you’ll get to see one

    • Earaches

      Those who live under al qaeda’s rule have no choice.

  • DeepCough

    I got two words:

    WHITE PEOPLE.

  • DeepCough

    I got two words:

    WHITE PEOPLE.

    • echar

      This clearly is not a white people thing; there are many
      nationalities and cultural groups that have their militants. I would prefer
      that your refrain from being racist, even if it is a joke.

       

      One word: Ignorance  

      • Jin The Ninja

        reality check: reverse racism another myth of the right.

        “white” people are not a homogeneous cultural group. neither have they been historically marginalised nor oppressed. You realise you are co-opting the same white nationalist protectionism as the shooter, when you engage in referring to a joke (against the DOMINANT culture btw) as “racist.” Humour can serve as satire and allow us to re-think and re-engage with ideological norms. I suggest you take Deep’s joke and dwell on it’s implications and why it causes you ire….

        • echar

          Try not to assume, you may be aware of the colloquial phrasing
          associated with it. You may benefit from the awareness of the one word I
          provided for the benefit of dear DeepCough.  

          • Jin The Ninja

            Try to engage with the substance of my response, rather than esoteric references to your own.

          • echar

            Your ignorance of who I am or what I am or not associated
            with coupled with your assumptions has truly led you astray. Since you are
            jumping to conclusions I will provide you with the colloquialism I mentioned
            earlier.

            To assume makes an ass out of you and me, mostly you at this
            time though. Do you see now what ignorance creates; I could be your ally yet
            you continuously create spooks to append to me. From my perspective it is the
            very same thought process that allows people to rationalize their destructive
            actions against others and themselves. 

          • Jin The Ninja

            read my previous post.

          • echar

            I’d rather not waste any more time on the self-chosen blind.
            Keep on fleeing from your shadow, who knows what lies beyond the mouth of the
            cave.  

          • DeepCough

            In case you hadn’t noticed, my comment was purely to wit.

          • echar

            In case you hadn’t noticed, it’s not funny. All humans are
            capable of that man’s actions and to believe or act otherwise is the height of
            ignorance. From my perspective this understanding is of the utmost importance,
            and to make light of is going in reverse. Let us move forward.

            To clarify: racism (White, black, brown,green,yellow, orange, or purple) = ignorance and may we all collectively depart from it.

          • DeepCough

            What the monkey fuck is wrong with you, Monkey’s Uncle? Are you a weepy bleeding heart Liberal or a narrow humorless prick? Seriously, I’m not being facetious or rhetorical, but y’know what, I don’t think your primitive chimp brain has evolved enough to construe the human concept of irony, nevermind the George Carlin theory of humor, because if you were familiar with the former, you’d see that you’re the one seeing things in black and white.

          • echar

            That tactic is older than a P5 processor. Ironignorance is
            more like it. Of course I am familiar with George Carlin and irony, but your
            intention was to create the appearance that I am stupid, therefore laying claim
            to how acceptable your actions are. If you want to self-deprecate or point the
            finger, be honest about it. 

          • DeepCough

            It’s official: you are a narrow humorless prick. That direct enough for ya?

          • Nuggett

            Monkey:

            Humor joke is not equal  to “making light” of an unfortunate truth.  The irony of your misplaced diatribes is that Deep was making fun of people who overgeneralize.  You know, the ACTUAL racists.  

            Be careful what you think…

          • Tuna Ghost

            That’s a pretty convenient way to not address the issues, buddy.  You know who does that?  People who are full of shit and have nothing to back it up.  Is that you, Monkey’s Uncle?  Show us that this doesn’t describe you.

          • echar

            I’d rather not waste any more time on the self-chosen blind.
            Keep on fleeing from your shadow, who knows what lies beyond the mouth of the
            cave.  

          • Jin The Ninja

            read my previous post.

        • echar

          I lost count of the amount of assumptions you provided, you can continue to delude yourself but count me out. 

          • Jin The Ninja

            there were no assumptions in my argument- just a post-colonial framework. it is nigh impossible to be racist against the dominant culture. i found your comment to be ridiculous at best, and at worst- well i did call it white protectionist, so i guess that’s the worst.  the only people who charge reverse racism are on the right, that’s not an assumption that’s fact.

          • echar

            Your circular and polarized reasoning bores me, your ignorance wears sagging pants, a white hood, a beard, and a suit. Racism is racism, and anyone who claims otherwise is deluding themselves. 

          • Jin The Ninja

            your bombastic attempts at poetics notwithstanding, racism only retains it’s denotation if directed at the other- as in other than the dominant culture. It’s not circular reasoning, it’s called post-colonialism.
            instead of wasting so much time inflating your vocabulary (and at the same time not learning the proper meaning of the words used), perhaps read something substantial that you can draw from- something that doesn’t contain the pretext or artifice of which you are so fond.

          • Nuggett

            Jin:

            I normally agree with your posts, but I’m siding with Monkey’s uncle on this one.  You need to test your theory in a microcosm of sorts.  You can have regions in which other cultures are dominant.  Perhaps “white people” have achieved forms of domination on a global scale, but consider an environment in which a white person is in the minority.  Other cultures can (will and do) formulate false presuppositions/assumptions and manifest those collective thoughts into oppressive actions.  If these assumptions involve color of skin and/or negative stereotypes related to culture, I believe it is fair to characterize the actions as racist and prejudiced.

            On another note, perhaps more what you mean to say is that white oppression against other races on a global scale is an evident trend, which because of its enormous scope and intense cruelty, supersedes discussion of other types of oppression and partly justifies an eye for an eye approach, even if brought up in jest.  I don’t believe that you are racist, and I thought your comment was funny, but blanketing the white race as sole proprietors of the beast that is racism is to only consider racism as a valid idea if it is viewed through a global lens, for lack of a better analogy.

          • Jin The Ninja

            i do agree with you, but just so you know the original comment was Deep’s not mine.

            I just think Monkey is some white protectionist, that obfuscates his intentions through a co-option of anti-racism, and verbose post-modern (and misused) language that serves no one but his own agenda.

            And to put it frankly- a “white” (whatever that means, since there is no white cultural minority) male has the most minimal of exposures to experiencing first hand racism, Saying otherwise is intellectually and historically dishonest on a vast scale. It degrades the GENUINE experiences (historically and contemp.) of racism had by legitimate cultural minorities.

          • Nuggett

            It certainly does degrade the genuine experiences.  

            And for what it’s worth, Monkey’s initial reaction was reactionary.  The joke was funny.  What makes it funny is that it is intentionally hyperbolic with a dose of half-truth.

            Not sure why MU wouldn’t get it unless what you say about him is true.  :/

          • Nuggett

            Noted on the comment being DeepCough’s.  

          • echar

            Go ahead; keep piling on labels to delude yourself and
            attempt to delude others. It’s not about race, it’s about who has power or
            money. I am just as much cattle as you or anyone. You are an ignorance
            protectionist. Take your us or them mentality to church, they thrive on that.  

          • Jin The Ninja

            My response was to Nuggett. You keep acting defensive, and accusing me of something- when there is a clear academic basis for post-coloniality and identity politics. While you may not agree with them, I do have a right to exert that opinion. Explain exactly what the politics of racism are against white people- perhaps i will be persuaded by your argument, should you ever choose to codify one.

          • echar

            Take your presuppositions and shove it! 

          • Jin The Ninja

            My presupposition in asking you to formulate and articulate an argument based on fact, logic and reason?

          • echar

            Your original presupposition that I must be a conservative
            and a white supremacist would support the spook you have attempted to create.
            In other words, you can kiss my butt I am not buying your rhetoric. Eugenics
            became an academic topic this  doesn’t make it right, and your attempt to claim
            that a white cannot experience racism is a clear ignorant and racial bias.

             

            You obviously have never been a white person living in an
            inner city ghetto, but I suppose the “white man” deserves to be
            treated like that, am I correct? FYI I hold no associations with any political,
            religious, esoteric, etc… groups. How does it serve you to assume I have an
            agenda?

             

            The dominant culture is geared around the color of currency,
            not this baloney you are spewing. In conclusion we are all humans prone to
            ignorance and suffering. To support either of those is a step backwards, let
            everyone move forwards.       

          • Jin The Ninja

            well i have several strong points of contention, but i don’t feel it is worthwhile in investing in a long-winded post. i can say though, that your response, seems relatively reasonable, whatever ideological and epistemological issues i have with it.

          • echar

            Alright amigo, it ticked me off that you assumed that I am
            conservative and alluded to me being a racist. I would also like to note that
            irony does not relate effectively in the written word, due to the lack of
            verbal and nonverbal cues. I am aware of this and it is the catalyst for my “diatribes”
            as another has forcefully and bitterly lobbed my way. Eye for an eye I suppose.
            For the record, as you can see I can be ignorant.

             

            Thank you for this opportunity to learn,

            Monkey’s Uncle

          • Jin The Ninja

            np, i just wanted to note that i cannot ever experience what it is to be white in the inner city b/c i am not white.

            peace

          • echar

            It sucked, I would say hello to people and they would say
            nothing and look at me. One time some teenagers threw rocks at my house and
            said some rude things when some friends and I were talking. It was
            disheartening, and disappointing.

            Peace 

          • DeepCough

             Oh, so it is not I who is the ignoramus, it is you. Fuck off, you cunt.

          • Jin The Ninja

            at the risk of restarting what i find to be a ridiculous debate i must agree with Tuna’s very well articulated point that  racism= prejudice+power (derived from being the dominant culture). obviously i failed to succinctly summarise this very important distinction between prejudice and racism.

          • Tuna Ghost

            Your attempt to claim that a white cannot experience racism is a clear ignorant and racial bias.
            No, its a clear definition of what racism is.  Racism = power + prejudice.  Since whites are the dominant ethnicity, prejudice against whites isn’t racism.  These are the facts, guy.  

          • Tuna Ghost

            It’s not about race, it’s about who has power or money.
            What isn’t about race?  

            By your argument, there isn’t any racism in regard to Barack Obama, or, say, Oprah Winfrey?  Because I can provide instances of racism in regard to both those people.  

            Obviously class in intertwined, but pretending “it isn’t about race” is not helping at all, it only helps protect racism.

          • Jin The Ninja

            there were no assumptions in my argument- just a post-colonial framework. it is nigh impossible to be racist against the dominant culture. i found your comment to be ridiculous at best, and at worst- well i did call it white protectionist, so i guess that’s the worst.  the only people who charge reverse racism are on the right, that’s not an assumption that’s fact.

          • Tuna Ghost

            Look, guy: racism is not just prejudice.  Racism involves prejudice and privilege and power, meaning there is no racism against the dominant ethnic group in power.  So no, there is no case here for “racism” against white people.  

          • Jin The Ninja

            thank you tuna! i tried to say it but could not seem to articulate it clearly.

            liked and very much appreciated.

        • echar

          I lost count of the amount of assumptions you provided, you can continue to delude yourself but count me out. 

        • David Indge

          i think you’ll find that there’s less doric speaking scots left, than any other tribe nation or cultural group on the planet yes i’m white but my cultures so diluted that i’m probably the last generation of doric speaking folk, but thats what religeon,slavery,opretion,and western geographic politics has done to a proud and ancient culture i’m the ethnic minority here!and you have the nerve to call me racist.

          • Jin The Ninja

            Whom is calling you a racist?

            i certainly am not.

            And while doric speakers may be on the decline, i know scots is widely taught in education.
            And no they are not the smallest ethno-linguistic group on the planet (1.5 million according to scottish parliament speak “scots.”) that is a pretty ridiculous statement given that there are tribal minorities with less than 1000 members.

            If you want to talk about ancient history, i will concede i am no celtic studies scholar; however scots invaded scotland from scandinavia. displacing pictish and gaelic cultures whom already existed there.

            so perhaps scottish culture is a hybrid with gaelic, scot and british elements.

            and my reference was specifically in a north american context, although a similar framework can be applied to europe, N. american culture (as it is) is something i can speak to and know about first hand and academically. So while perhaps that may not be applicable to you specifically, it is applicable to western culture generally.

        • Countvelcro

          white folks were all about oppressing each other. in fact, the import of africans was the first time “white” was ever considered to a singular group. you see the same genocidal impulses in Africa, and much of western history. color just makes it more convenient.

          • Jin The Ninja

            i will confess i don’t really understand your point?

      • Jin The Ninja

        I return to my original assessment about you. You have never posted on dis-info before, yet you come here to post ad-hominem attacks, assert the existance of profound reverse-racism, and use in-eloquent poesie to attempt to  diffuse a legimate and very real critique i had about your comment. Why this issue? Why is the assertion of reverse racism your raison d’etre? there can only be one reason: white nationalism. it is the only truth that fits. you may have an alternative opinion of yourself, but a tree’s shadow is still a tree. Whsy on THIS article- all about a white nationalist terrorist? And your example of being “white” in the ghetto, was frankly insulting. Ghettoisation of african-americans is symptomatic of institutional and historical racism d instituted by white america. My reply was tongue-in-cheek, in order to assess your response. Which btw is not an example of racism. Perhaps discontent and prejudice, but not racism. as racism is oppressive anrd prevelant in all social interactions (and as i stated before institutional). to paraphrase my very clever fellow poster Tuna Ghost,”Racism= prejudice +privilege +power.” that is not my definition that is THE definitive denotation used by academia. I cannot feign to know who are, but i did see past your facade immediately.

  • Mr Willow

    Because then the Christians will be in charge, instead of those scary Muslims, and the whole world will make sense. *cough*

  • Mr Willow

    How pitiful. 

    It’s moments like these when all the people who say “We should ban religion” get some of my sympathy. 

  • Mr Willow

    How pitiful. 

    It’s moments like these when all the people who say “We should ban religion” get some of my sympathy. 

  • Mr Willow

    I would very much prefer a lack of religious extremists, thank you.

  • Guest

    Well, it’s too bad we are fighting for the exact opposite of this dude… would be so much more convenient to join forces, rather than battle one another, but it looks like this dude is trying to pick a fight with the superpowers of the world.  Ah, who am I kidding… he’s probably a puppet.  

  • Guest

    Well, it’s too bad we are fighting for the exact opposite of this dude… would be so much more convenient to join forces, rather than battle one another, but it looks like this dude is trying to pick a fight with the superpowers of the world.  Ah, who am I kidding… he’s probably a puppet.  

  • Anonymous

    The difference is that western culture despises this man and views him as a sick sociopath. Western culture recognizes the inherent evil and wrongness of what this guy did. In other parts of the world, however, they’d give him a freaking medal and worship him for his part in trying to uphold righteous values and build shrines to him and name streets after him. Western culture can lead to the same barbarism, but at the same time it’s much easier to recognize that barbarity for what it is. That’s the value of defending western culture.

  • Anonymous

    Six of one, half a dozen of the other. The only difference is which is the bigger problem right now, and I don’t know too many fundamentalist christian dictatorships currently in the world today.

  • Anonymous

    i think we should all just forget about nationalism except in those rare revolutionary colonial contexts, and attempt to focus on  equality and justice.

    nationalism is a subversion of personal and cultural identity and only serves imperialistic forces (and capitalism) bent on destroying not  just the third world but also genuine human connections by being extremely divisive and an oftentimes hysterical force…

  • Jin The Ninja

    i think we should all just forget about nationalism except in those rare revolutionary colonial contexts, and attempt to focus on  equality and justice.

    nationalism is a subversion of personal and cultural identity and only serves imperialistic forces (and capitalism) bent on destroying not  just the third world but also genuine human connections by being extremely divisive and an oftentimes hysterical force…

  • Hadrian999

    i was speaking more to the trend of abandoning ideals while claiming to defend them, tainting and destroying that which you seek to defend, an all too common thing today.

  • Earaches

    Those who live under al qaeda’s rule have no choice.

  • Anonymous

    What we were told initially (remember, damage done is damage done):

    - Western corporate media ran CIA lies that attacks were by Muslim terrorist organization
    - Anti-muslim author in Europe paraded around Europe in media as terrorist “expert” and blamed Muslims

    Norway is an odd choice as a Muslim terror target:

    - Norway has endorsed Palestinian statehood
    - Norway has excluded Israeli investments.  Norway’s 450 billion euro oil-riches fund excluded two Israeli firms involved in developing settlements.  Norway’s finance ministry said this was on ethical grounds (champion!).
    - Senator Lieberman as accused Norway of promoting anti-semitism
    - Norway had also announced its plan to withdraw from Libya by Aug 1.

    False flag?  Mossad?  All pure coincidence?

  • smooth_operator

    What we were told initially (remember, damage done is damage done):

    - Western corporate media ran CIA lies that attacks were by Muslim terrorist organization
    - Anti-muslim author in Europe paraded around Europe in media as terrorist “expert” and blamed Muslims

    Norway is an odd choice as a Muslim terror target:

    - Norway has endorsed Palestinian statehood
    - Norway has excluded Israeli investments.  Norway’s 450 billion euro oil-riches fund excluded two Israeli firms involved in developing settlements.  Norway’s finance ministry said this was on ethical grounds (champions!).
    - Senator Lieberman has accused Norway of promoting anti-semitism
    - Norway had also announced its plan to withdraw from Libya by Aug 1.
    - Norway PM says, “WE SHALL NOT BE BOMBED INTO SILENCE.”

    False flag?  Mossad?  All pure coincidence?

    • Cheqmate

      Not likely. Mossad are the masters of infiltration. They likely blended in with the campers. One of the missing campers is a New Zealand ‘citizen’ and Mossad loves New Zealand passports since they’re accepted everywhere and easy to get. Well they used to be easy to get until New Zealand called them out this week LOL!

      A second suspect was arrested yesterday without warning and smiled upon arrest. Today, police raided some abandoned facility and arrested six suspects who also were campers the other day. They were hiding out illegally, there was some sort of a chemical thing, and they were all in their underwear. Likely from swimming the other day. A liar reported that they were released but this is not true. They are in custody.

      When Norway has the largest terrorist attack in their history, has no suspect for the bombing (only the MSM has linked the guy to the bombing.. there is not proof he is linked to it) they aren’t going to just let six new suspects off the hook.

      There are EIGHT SUSPECTS in custody, not just Mr. Aryan Race. The Manifesto is a hoax too. Probably not by Mossad or whoever, just some random troll (see my post above or just google QFF and PCCTS)

    • Cheqmate

      Not likely. Mossad are the masters of infiltration. They likely blended in with the campers. One of the missing campers is a New Zealand ‘citizen’ and Mossad loves New Zealand passports since they’re accepted everywhere and easy to get. Well they used to be easy to get until New Zealand called them out this week LOL!

      A second suspect was arrested yesterday without warning and smiled upon arrest. Today, police raided some abandoned facility and arrested six suspects who also were campers the other day. They were hiding out illegally, there was some sort of a chemical thing, and they were all in their underwear. Likely from swimming the other day. A liar reported that they were released but this is not true. They are in custody.

      When Norway has the largest terrorist attack in their history, has no suspect for the bombing (only the MSM has linked the guy to the bombing.. there is not proof he is linked to it) they aren’t going to just let six new suspects off the hook.

      There are EIGHT SUSPECTS in custody, not just Mr. Aryan Race. The Manifesto is a hoax too. Probably not by Mossad or whoever, just some random troll (see my post above or just google QFF and PCCTS)

    • Tuna Ghost

      Western corporate media ran CIA lies that attacks were by Muslim terrorist organization
      What proof do you have that the CIA told media outlets that the attacks were by muslims?  From here it seemed that everyone simply assumed that it was muslim jihadists all on their own despite, as you say, Norway being pretty far down on the Islamic fundamentalist terror groups’s hitlist.  I think its just the times we live in, thus far the vast majority of terrorist attacks of this level in the West were by Muslim Jihadists.  

      Anti-muslim author in Europe paraded around Europe in media as terrorist “expert” and blamed Muslims
      Any links you can provide?  

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    This seems so neatly packaged, a nice little bow on top to
    boot. He’s all sorts of contradictions which has me wondering about the strange
    loops. 

  • echar

    This seems so neatly packaged, a nice little bow on top to
    boot. He’s all sorts of contradictions which has me wondering about the strange
    loops. 

    • Hadrian999

      have you looked at his manifesto, so far it reads very teaparty

      • echar

        How does that relate to the price of tea in China? 

        • Jin The Ninja

          so fascism =/= fascism according to you?

      • echar

        How does that relate to the price of tea in China? 

    • Hadrian999

      have you looked at his manifesto, so far it reads very teaparty

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    This clearly is not a white people thing; there are many
    nationalities and cultural groups that have their militants. I would prefer
    that your refrain from being racist, even if it is a joke.

     

    One word: Ignorance  

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    From my perspective all cultures can lead to barbarism or
    have been barbaric at some point. It’s a natural occurrence in our social
    makeup and events like this give us all an opportunity to create an awareness of
    this. We can all make a choice to reroute our barbarism into actions that serve
    the greater good by building , instead of destroying.  

  • Anonymous

    reality check: reverse racism another myth of the right.

  • Anarchy Wolf

    I can think of a lot of people in western culture that would be happy to give this guy a medal. And a lot of them would condemn him out loud but praise him internally. Most of those people are in the Tea Party.
    Moreover, western culture has by and large been far far more destructive and barbaric over its long history than almost all others. The ghosts of Native Americans who’s children were flailed to death against trees by the colonizers can attest to that, the ghosts of African slaves can attest to that, over 1,000,000 dead Iraqis can attest to that, the ghosts of millions of Buffalo and trillions of trees can attest to that. 
    Go back further and the victims and slaves of the Greeks and the Romans can attest to that.
    Don’t pretend your bullshit society has a monopoly on reasonability, and justice. Your entire society is sociopathic. 

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    Try not to assume, you may be aware of the colloquial phrasing
    associated with it. You may benefit from the awareness of the one word I
    provided for the benefit of dear DeepCough.  

  • Anonymous

    Try to engage with the substance of my response, rather than esoteric references to your own.

  • Anonymous

    exactly. thank you.

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    Your ignorance of who I am or what I am or not associated
    with coupled with your assumptions has truly led you astray. Since you are
    jumping to conclusions I will provide you with the colloquialism I mentioned
    earlier.

    To assume makes an ass out of you and me, mostly you at this
    time though. Do you see now what ignorance creates; I could be your ally yet
    you continuously create spooks to append to me. From my perspective it is the
    very same thought process that allows people to rationalize their destructive
    actions against others and themselves. 

  • Hadrian999

    have you looked at his manifesto, so far it reads very teaparty

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    How does that relate to the price of tea in China? 

  • Anonymous

    read my previous post.

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    I’d rather not waste any more time on the self-chosen blind.
    Keep on fleeing from your shadow, who knows what lies beyond the mouth of the
    cave.  

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    I lost count of the amount of assumptions you provided, you can continue to delude yourself but count me out. 

  • Anonymous

    there were no assumptions in my argument- just a post-colonial framework. it is nigh impossible to be racist against the dominant culture. i found your comment to be ridiculous at best, and at worst- well i did call it white protectionist, so i guess that’s the worst.  the only people who charge reverse racism are on the right, that’s not an assumption that’s fact.

  • Hadrian999

    the LRA is trying maybe in a few years you’ll get to see one

  • Hadrian999

    after reading some of his manifesto the most interesting thing is that he is railing against against foreign ideas taking over like many white right wing Christians do yet they fail to realize that there are only white christians because of foreign ideas taking over in the past. he or whoever wrote this thing was seriously off, it touches on pro apartheid, population control and increasing fertility(wrap your head around that one) pro genetic engineering, breeding programs to create nordic children, pro alternative energy research to destroy the economy of Muslim nations and a program to artificially recreate the 50′s it also attacks hip hop and sex in the city.

  • Hadrian999

    after reading some of his manifesto the most interesting thing is that he is railing against against foreign ideas taking over like many white right wing Christians do yet they fail to realize that there are only white christians because of foreign ideas taking over in the past. he or whoever wrote this thing was seriously off, it touches on pro apartheid, population control and increasing fertility(wrap your head around that one) pro genetic engineering, breeding programs to create nordic children, pro alternative energy research to destroy the economy of Muslim nations and a program to artificially recreate the 50′s it also attacks hip hop and sex in the city.

  • Hadrian999

    after reading some of his manifesto the most interesting thing is that he is railing against against foreign ideas taking over like many white right wing Christians do yet they fail to realize that there are only white christians because of foreign ideas taking over in the past

  • Hadrian999

    after reading some of his manifesto the most interesting thing is that he is railing against against foreign ideas taking over like many white right wing Christians do yet they fail to realize that there are only white christians because of foreign ideas taking over in the past

  • Cheqmate

    Document is a HOAX! It references a FAKE group called PCCTS (the new Knights Templar or whatever). A FAKE website PCCTS dot com was loaded with fake Illuminati links and a fake terrorist attack map of the USA. It was created by QFF in the Netherlands. Some sort of Anonymous-style group who uses Masonic imagery (for fun).

    Their site is quofataferunt dot com and it is in Dutch so ya got to translate it. They have NOTHING to do with the HOAX manifesto or the terrorist attack in Oslo. Because they made the PCCTS thing last year, the media keeps calling them about it. It’s fake, it’s a hoax. Somebody took many secondary sources, tacked on the PCCTS and a bunch of other BS, made a video, and posted it either on Friday or Saturday. Contrary to MSM’s reports it was not posted before the bombing.

    This is the work of a TROLL. You’ve all been TROLLED by a HOAX. Even the MSM is reporting it as fact without doing a simple google search on PCCTS or to see that the content was copy and pasted. They even post the obviously photoshopped pictures that even Norway media said were photoshopped. How low will the MSM go? Why are they reporting a HOAX instead of you know the SEVEN other SUSPECTS ARRESTED for the shooting and bombing. They say this guy is linked to the bombing when not even Norway police have concluded that. There is no proof. People need to think for themselves, don’t just believe everything you read. Question it. Question why all this stuff is in English first of all. 

    • echar

      Thank you

    • Borgar

      “They say this guy is linked to the bombing when not even Norway police have concluded that.” “There is no proof”. Ehh, what about the rifle and the pistol he carried around with him when he surrendered to the police on the island? What about the hundreds of people identifying him as the perpetrator? What about the helicopter shots of him murdering people? What about him confessing to the bombing and mass killings almost immediately after his arrest?

      And could you tell me who these supposed “SEVEN other SUSPECTS ARRESTED for the shooting and bombing” are, that you are referring to? I have never heard about such arrests, despite following the case in the news here in Norway hour by hour since friday. Do you have a link? Breivik may have stolen large portions of the manifest from other authors, but how do you explain the intricate personal diary of the terrorist in the last part of the document, containing details closely corresponding with established facts about him? Some excerpts:

      “Anyway, back to the topic. When I was around 16-17 years old I joined the Progress Party Youth organisation (FpU) as they were anti-immigration and pro-free-market. Every single journalist in the country regarded them as racist because of their antiimmigration program. FrP were under constant attacks from every single media organisation, NGO’s and all the other political parties. They were called racists and Nazisand were generally labelled as “fascist pigs”. FrP appealed to me because I had experienced the hypocrisy in society first hand and I knew already then that they were the only party who opposed multiculturalism.”

      “Thursday July 21 – Day 81: Drive 11 hours straight to Kautokeino, sort out cheap hotel.

      Friday July 22 – Day 82: Initiate blasting sequenses at pre-determined sites. Test dirt for gram of gold per kg. Have enough material for at least 20 blasts. Start capitalization of project as soon as I have results. Time is running out, liquidity squeese inc. Call/email all my investor contacts with updated online prospectus/pdf.This is going to be an all-or-nothing scenario. If I fail to generate acceptable precious metals yields, in combination with swift initiation of the capitalization for securing the areas I will be heavily indebted. I must complete capitalization of the mineral extraction project within August at latest! When I have the required seed capital I will have enough funds to employ the services of professional blasting engineers. If all fails, I will initiate my career with a private security firm in conflict zones to acquire maximum funds in the shortest period of time to repay the debts. First coming costume party this autumn, dress up as a police officer. Arrive with insignias :-) Will be awesome as people will be very astonished:-)
      Side note; imagine if law enforcement would visit me the next days. They would probably get thewrong idea and think I was a terrorist, lol :o)”

      “The old saying; “if you want something done, then do it yourself” is as relevant now as it was then.More than one “chef” does not mean that you will do tasks twice as fast. In many cases; you coulddo it all yourself, it will just take a little more time. AND, without taking unacceptable risks. Theconclusion is undeniable.

      I believe this will be my last entry. It is now Fri July 22nd, 12.51.

      Sincere regards,

      Andrew BerwickJusticiar Knight CommanderKnights Templar EuropeKnights Templar Norway”

      “Think for themselves”, my ass. Seems to me you’re just another idiot full of crap.

      Link to PDF-version of Breivik’s manifest: http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00686/Dokument_fra_norsk__686470a.pdf

  • Cheqmate

    Document is a HOAX! It references a FAKE group called PCCTS (the new Knights Templar or whatever). A FAKE website PCCTS dot com was loaded with fake Illuminati links and a fake terrorist attack map of the USA. It was created by QFF in the Netherlands. Some sort of Anonymous-style group who uses Masonic imagery (for fun).

    Their site is quofataferunt dot com and it is in Dutch so ya got to translate it. They have NOTHING to do with the HOAX manifesto or the terrorist attack in Oslo. Because they made the PCCTS thing last year, the media keeps calling them about it. It’s fake, it’s a hoax. Somebody took many secondary sources, tacked on the PCCTS and a bunch of other BS, made a video, and posted it either on Friday or Saturday. Contrary to MSM’s reports it was not posted before the bombing.

    This is the work of a TROLL. You’ve all been TROLLED by a HOAX. Even the MSM is reporting it as fact without doing a simple google search on PCCTS or to see that the content was copy and pasted. They even post the obviously photoshopped pictures that even Norway media said were photoshopped. How low will the MSM go? Why are they reporting a HOAX instead of you know the SEVEN other SUSPECTS ARRESTED for the shooting and bombing. They say this guy is linked to the bombing when not even Norway police have concluded that. There is no proof. People need to think for themselves, don’t just believe everything you read. Question it. Question why all this stuff is in English first of all. 

  • Anonymous

    Document is a HOAX! It references a FAKE group called PCCTS (the new Knights Templar or whatever). A FAKE website PCCTS dot com was loaded with fake Illuminati links and a fake terrorist attack map of the USA. It was created by QFF in the Netherlands. Some sort of Anonymous-style group who uses Masonic imagery (for fun).

    Their site is quofataferunt dot com and it is in Dutch so ya got to translate it. They have NOTHING to do with the HOAX manifesto or the terrorist attack in Oslo. Because they made the PCCTS thing last year, the media keeps calling them about it. It’s fake, it’s a hoax. Somebody took many secondary sources, tacked on the PCCTS and a bunch of other BS, made a video, and posted it either on Friday or Saturday. Contrary to MSM’s reports it was not posted before the bombing.

    This is the work of a TROLL. You’ve all been TROLLED by a HOAX. Even the MSM is reporting it as fact without doing a simple google search on PCCTS or to see that the content was copy and pasted. They even post the obviously photoshopped pictures that even Norway media said were photoshopped. How low will the MSM go? Why are they reporting a HOAX instead of you know the SEVEN other SUSPECTS ARRESTED for the shooting and bombing. They say this guy is linked to the bombing when not even Norway police have concluded that. There is no proof. People need to think for themselves, don’t just believe everything you read. Question it. Question why all this stuff is in English first of all. 

  • Anonymous

    Not likely. Mossad are the masters of infiltration. They likely blended in with the campers. One of the missing campers is a New Zealand ‘citizen’ and Mossad loves New Zealand passports since they’re accepted everywhere and easy to get. Well they used to be easy to get until New Zealand called them out this week LOL!

    A second suspect was arrested yesterday without warning and smiled upon arrest. Today, police raided some abandoned facility and arrested six suspects who also were campers the other day. They were hiding out illegally, there was some sort of a chemical thing, and they were all in their underwear. Likely from swimming the other day. A liar reported that they were released but this is not true. They are in custody.

    When Norway has the largest terrorist attack in their history, has no suspect for the bombing (only the MSM has linked the guy to the bombing.. there is not proof he is linked to it) they aren’t going to just let six new suspects off the hook.

    There are EIGHT SUSPECTS in custody, not just Mr. Aryan Race. The Manifesto is a hoax too. Probably not by Mossad or whoever, just some random troll (see my post above or just google QFF and PCCTS)

  • DeepCough

    In case you hadn’t noticed, my comment was purely to wit.

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    Your circular and polarized reasoning bores me, your ignorance wears sagging pants, a white hood, a beard, and a suit. Racism is racism, and anyone who claims otherwise is deluding themselves. 

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    In case you hadn’t noticed, it’s not funny. All humans are
    capable of that man’s actions and to believe or act otherwise is the height of
    ignorance. From my perspective this understanding is of the utmost importance,
    and to make light of is going in reverse. Let us move forward.

    To clarify: racism (White, black, brown,green,yellow, orange, or purple) = ignorance and may we all collectively depart from it.

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    Thank you

  • BuzzCoastin

    “Our purpose,” the document reads, is to “seize political and military
    control of Western European countries and implement a cultural
    conservative political agenda.”

    Wow! The already won this in in the Homeland of the Free.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    “Our purpose,” the document reads, is to “seize political and military
    control of Western European countries and implement a cultural
    conservative political agenda.”

    Wow! The already won this in in the Homeland of the Free.

  • DeepCough

    What the monkey fuck is wrong with you, Monkey’s Uncle? Are you a weepy bleeding heart Liberal or a narrow humorless prick? Seriously, I’m not being facetious or rhetorical, but y’know what, I don’t think your primitive chimp brain has evolved enough to construe the human concept of irony, nevermind the George Carlin theory of humor, because if you were familiar with the former, you’d see that you’re the one seeing things in black and white.

  • Anonymous

    your bombastic attempts at poetics notwithstanding, racism only retains it’s denotation if directed at the other- as in other than the dominant culture. It’s not circular reasoning, it’s called post-colonialism.
    instead of wasting so much time inflating your vocabulary (and at the same time not learning the proper meaning of the words used), perhaps read something substantial that you can draw from- something that doesn’t contain the pretext or artifice of which you are so fond.

  • Anonymous

    so fascism =/= fascism according to you?

  • Anonymous

    Strange that I don’t see any celebrations in the streets for this guy. Don’t really see any western cultural groups hailing what he did as heroic bravery. The point you’re trying to make simply doesn’t hold any water. 
    I don’t speak at all in favor of those who have historically been a part of the west and done horrendous acts. Historically I agree western culture has been equally barbaric, but again the difference is that western culture has moved beyond that while other cultures still have not and are stuck in a mentality that supports barbarity.The mention of the dead Iraqis is also a disconnect as that is not a cultural conflict, but a war from corrupt leaders, which is a universal problem.

  • Anonymous

    “They say this guy is linked to the bombing when not even Norway police have concluded that.” “There is no proof”. Ehh, what about the gun and the pistol he carried around with him when he surrendered to the police on the island? What about the hundreds of people identifying him as the perpetrator? What about the helicopter shots of him murdering people? What about him confessing to the bombing and mass killings almost immediately after his arrest?

    And could you tell me who these supposed “SEVEN other SUSPECTS ARRESTED for the shooting and bombing” are, that you are referring to? I have never heard about such arrests, despite following the case in the news here in Norway hour by hour since friday. Do you have a link? Breivik may have stolen large portions of the manifest from other authors, but how do you explain the intricate personal diary of the terrorist in the last part of the document, containing details closely corresponding with established facts about him? Some excerpts:

    “Anyway, back to the topic. When I was around 16-17 years old I joined the Progress Party Youth organisation (FpU) as they were anti-immigration and pro-free-market. Every single journalist in the country regarded them as racist because of their antiimmigration program. FrP were under constant attacks from every single media organisation, NGO’s and all the other political parties. They were called racists and Nazisand were generally labelled as “fascist pigs”. FrP appealed to me because I had experienced the hypocrisy in society first hand and I knew already then that they were the only party who opposed multiculturalism.”

    “Thursday July 21 – Day 81: Drive 11 hours straight to Kautokeino, sort out cheap hotel.

    Friday July 22 – Day 82: Initiate blasting sequenses at pre-determined sites. Test dirt for gram of gold per kg. Have enough material for at least 20 blasts. Start capitalization of project as soon as I have results. Time is running out, liquidity squeese inc. Call/email all my investor contacts with updated online prospectus/pdf.This is going to be an all-or-nothing scenario. If I fail to generate acceptable precious metals yields, in combination with swift initiation of the capitalization for securing the areas I will be heavily indebted. I must complete capitalization of the mineral extraction project within August at latest! When I have the required seed capital I will have enough funds to employ the services of professional blasting engineers. If all fails, I will initiate my career with a private security firm in conflict zones to acquire maximum funds in the shortest period of time to repay the debts. First coming costume party this autumn, dress up as a police officer. Arrive with insignias :-) Will be awesome as people will be very astonished:-)
    Side note; imagine if law enforcement would visit me the next days. They would probably get thewrong idea and think I was a terrorist, lol :o)”

    “The old saying; “if you want something done, then do it yourself” is as relevant now as it was then.More than one “chef” does not mean that you will do tasks twice as fast. In many cases; you coulddo it all yourself, it will just take a little more time. AND, without taking unacceptable risks. Theconclusion is undeniable.

    I believe this will be my last entry. It is now Fri July 22nd, 12.51.

    Sincere regards,

    Andrew BerwickJusticiar Knight CommanderKnights Templar EuropeKnights Templar Norway”

    “Think for themselves”, my ass. Seems to me you’re just another idiot full of crap.

    Link to PDF-version of Breivik’s manifest: http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00686/Dokument_fra_norsk__686470a.pdf

  • Anonymous

    I got $31.68 for a XBOX 360 and my mom got a 17 inch Dell laptop for $95.84 being delivered to our house tomorrow by FedEX. I will never again pay expensive retail prices at stores. I even sold a 46 inch HDTV to my boss for $650 and it only cost me $53.79 to get. Here is the website we are using to get all this stuff GrabPenny.com

  • Nuggett

    Jin:

    I normally agree with your posts, but I’m siding with Monkey’s uncle on this one.  You need to test your theory in a microcosm of sorts.  You can have regions in which other cultures are dominant.  Perhaps “white people” have achieved forms of domination on a global scale, but consider an environment in which a white person is in the minority.  Other cultures can (will and do) formulate false presuppositions/assumptions and manifest those collective thoughts into oppressive actions.  If these assumptions involve color of skin and/or negative stereotypes related to culture, I believe it is fair to characterize the actions as racist and prejudiced.

    On another note, perhaps more what you mean to say is that white oppression against other races on a global scale is an evident trend, which because of its enormous scope and intense cruelty, supersedes discussion of other types of oppression and partly justifies an eye for an eye approach, even if brought up in jest.  I don’t believe that you are racist, and I thought your comment was funny, but blanketing the white race as sole proprietors of the beast that is racism is to only consider racism as a valid idea if it is viewed through a global lens, for lack of a better analogy.

  • Anonymous

    i do agree with you, but just so you know the original comment was Deep’s not mine.

    It isn’t to say that people of the fairer complexions cannot be put in the “other” or “oppressed” position. but rather historically: “white” people are NOT homogeneous, and in fact lead the way when it comes to global imperialism and domination of non-whites, so if we use this historical lens, it becomes obvious you cannot be reverse racist against “white people.” Particularly not in an american context. Can you be reactionary and culturally nationalist/protectionist- yes! are there historical reasons for that? yes!

    I think the problem here is that you interpreted my posts to mean a wholesale denial that other cultures cannot be racist (and in  that only “white” people are). That is simply not the case. Many cultures (modern nation states) have highly xenophobic and racist qualities. , if they are in the dominant culture position and are thus abusing that position by oppressing the “other” that is racism. plain and simple.

    HOWEVER in a north american context the dominant culture is a sort of dysfunctional amalgam of liberal, democratic, euro-centric, capitalist, consumer-culture. In that the frame of the debate is totally and utterly derived from a euro-centric worldview. Literally thousands of historical examples of euro-colonialists/americans/canadians abusing their position as the dominant culture against anyone not lily white. Even against other europeans like the irish or the slavs. In this way, white people, whatever that means, are the dominant cultural group and thus to be reactionary against that- is part of what is sometimes called a “de-colonialising” movement.

    I just think Monkey is some white protectionist, that obfuscates his intentions through a co-option of anti-racism, and verbose post-modern (and misused) language that serves no one but his own agenda.

  • Nuggett

    It certainly does degrade the genuine experiences.  

    And for what it’s worth, Monkey’s initial reaction was reactionary.  The joke was funny.  What makes it funny is that it is intentionally hyperbolic with a dose of half-truth.

    Not sure why MU wouldn’t get it unless what you say about him is true.  :/

  • Nuggett

    Noted on the comment being DeepCough’s.  

  • Nuggett

    Noted on the comment being DeepCough’s.  

  • Nuggett

    Monkey:

    Humor joke is not equal  to “making light” of an unfortunate truth.  The irony of your misplaced diatribes is that Deep was making fun of people who overgeneralize.  You know, the ACTUAL racists.  

    Be careful what you think…

  • http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

    “Religion gives people Hope in a world torn apart by Religion” Jon Stewart

  • jasonpaulhayes

    “Religion gives people Hope in a world torn apart by Religion” Jon Stewart

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    Go ahead; keep piling on labels to delude yourself and
    attempt to delude others. It’s not about race, it’s about who has power or
    money. I am just as much cattle as you or anyone. You are an ignorance
    protectionist. Take your us or them mentality to church, they thrive on that.  

  • Anonymous

    Tell me again, how was what deep said “racist”? oh right you can’t.

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    Take your presuppositions and shove it! 

  • Anonymous

    My presupposition in asking you to formulate and articulate an argument based on fact, logic and reason?

  • Oneiric Imperium

    Howard Bloom was right “They’ll respond to Globalism with Tribalism”. Not all white people are willing to allow themselves to be bred away into extinction just because a few rich white people were bad to non-whites through out history. Why do we hardly ever hear about the rape of Nanking, the Armenian genocide or the Communist mass killing of millions largely carried out by ethnically Jewish commissars?  Yet we are constantly beat over the head with the horrors of the holocaust or African slavery? During the days of American slavery only 7% of population was wealthy enough to own slaves. Ever wonder why blacks in America have president last names? Rich people owned slaves, not white people. Neither my PA Dutch family nor my Italian family ever owned slaves.

    Political correctness is a white on white crime and true western culture is Pagan.

  • Oneiric Imperium

    Howard Bloom was right “They’ll respond to Globalism with Tribalism”. Not all white people are willing to allow themselves to be bred away into extinction just because a few rich white people were bad to non-whites through out history. Why do we hardly ever hear about the rape of Nanking, the Armenian genocide or the Communist mass killing of millions largely carried out by ethnically Jewish commissars?  Yet we are constantly beat over the head with the horrors of the holocaust or African slavery? During the days of American slavery only 7% of population was wealthy enough to own slaves. Ever wonder why blacks in America have president last names? Rich people owned slaves, not white people. Neither my PA Dutch family nor my Italian family ever owned slaves.

    Political correctness is a white on white crime and true western culture is Pagan.

    • Tuna Ghost

      …or the Communist mass killing of millions largely carried out by ethnically Jewish commissars?
      Any proof that the commissars were ethnically jewish, especially in light of Stalin’s many pograms against jews?  Because this sounds like something a dude who firmly believes “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is a legitimate historical document and NOT the false document it has been proven to be for quite some time now would say.

      Yet we are constantly beat over the head with the horrors of the holocaust or African slavery?

      Because one was a crime against humanity unprecedented in modern times, and the other was a crime against humanity that still has lasting effects in the West?

      During the days of American slavery only 7% of population was wealthy enough to own slaves.

      …so?  What point are you trying to make here?  Non-slave owners still supported slavery.

      Rich people owned slaves, not white people.

      Rich WHITE people owned slaves.  Are you seriously trying to say there was no racial component to slavery?  Because that is ignorance beyond words.

    • Tuna Ghost

      Not all white people are willing to allow themselves to be bred away into extinction just because a few rich white people were bad to non-whites through out history.
      Yeah, this totally doesn’t make you sound like someone overly concerned with racial purity and/or supremacy.  Not at all.

      Not at all.

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    Your original presupposition that I must be a conservative
    and a white supremacist would support the spook you have attempted to create.
    In other words, you can kiss my butt I am not buying your rhetoric. Eugenics
    became an academic topic this  doesn’t make it right, and your attempt to claim
    that a white cannot experience racism is a clear ignorant and racial bias.

     

    You obviously have never been a white person living in an
    inner city ghetto, but I suppose the “white man” deserves to be
    treated like that, am I correct? FYI I hold no associations with any political,
    religious, esoteric, etc… groups. How does it serve you to assume I have an
    agenda?

     

    The dominant culture is geared around the color of currency,
    not this baloney you are spewing. In conclusion we are all humans prone to
    ignorance and suffering. To support either of those is a step backwards, let
    everyone move forwards.       

  • Anonymous

    well i have several strong points of contention, but i don’t feel it is worthwhile in investing in a long-winded post. i can say though, that your response, seems relatively reasonable, whatever factual and epistemological issues i have with it.

  • Oneiric Imperium
  • Oneiric Imperium
  • Monkey’s Uncle

    That tactic is older than a P5 processor. Ironignorance is
    more like it. Of course I am familiar with George Carlin and irony, but your
    intention was to create the appearance that I am stupid, therefore laying claim
    to how acceptable your actions are. If you want to self-deprecate or point the
    finger, be honest about it. 

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    Alright amigo, it ticked me off that you assumed that I am
    conservative and alluded to me being a racist. I would also like to note that
    irony does not relate effectively in the written word, due to the lack of
    verbal and nonverbal cues. I am aware of this and it is the catalyst for my “diatribes”
    as another has forcefully and bitterly lobbed my way. Eye for an eye I suppose.
    For the record, as you can see I can be ignorant.

     

    Thank you for this opportunity to learn,

    Monkey’s Uncle

  • Anonymous

    np, i just wanted to note that i cannot ever experience what it is to be white in the inner city b/c i am not white.

    peace

  • DeepCough

    It’s official: you are a narrow humorless prick. That direct enough for ya?

  • DeepCough

     Oh, so it is not I who is the ignoramus, it is you. Fuck off, you cunt.

  • Monkey’s Uncle

    It sucked, I would say hello to people and they would say
    nothing and look at me. One time some teenagers threw rocks at my house and
    said some rude things when some friends and I were talking. It was
    disheartening, and disappointing.

    Peace 

  • Tuna Ghost

    Look, guy: racism is not just prejudice.  Racism involves prejudice and privilege and power, meaning there is no racism against the dominant ethnic group in power.  So no, there is no case here for “racism” against white people.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    It’s not about race, it’s about who has power or money.
    What isn’t about race?  

    By your argument, there isn’t any racism in regard to Barack Obama, or, say, Oprah Winfrey?  Because I can provide instances of racism in regard to both those people.  

    Obviously class in intertwined, but pretending “it isn’t about race” is not helping at all, it only helps protect racism.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Your attempt to claim that a white cannot experience racism is a clear ignorant and racial bias.
    No, its a clear definition of what racism is.  Racism = power + prejudice.  Since whites are the dominant ethnicity, prejudice against whites isn’t racism.  These are the facts, guy.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    Western corporate media ran CIA lies that attacks were by Muslim terrorist organization
    What proof do you have that the CIA told media outlets that the attacks were by muslims?  From here it seemed that everyone simply assumed that it was muslim jihadists all on their own despite, as you say, Norway being pretty far down on the Islamic fundamentalist terror groups’s hitlist.  I think its just the times we live in, thus far the vast majority of terrorist attacks of this level in the West were by Muslim Jihadists.  

    Anti-muslim author in Europe paraded around Europe in media as terrorist “expert” and blamed Muslims
    Any links you can provide?  

  • Tuna Ghost

    …or the Communist mass killing of millions largely carried out by ethnically Jewish commissars?
    Any proof that the commissars were ethnically jewish, especially in light of Stalin’s many pograms against jews?  Because this sounds like something a dude who firmly believes “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is a legitimate historical document and NOT the false document it has been proven to be for quite some time now would say.

    Yet we are constantly beat over the head with the horrors of the holocaust or African slavery?

    Because one was a crime against humanity unprecedented in modern times, and the other was a crime against humanity that still has lasting effects in the West?

    During the days of American slavery only 7% of population was wealthy enough to own slaves.

    …so?  What point are you trying to make here?  Non-slave owners still supported slavery.

    Rich people owned slaves, not white people.

    Rich WHITE people owned slaves.  Are you seriously trying to say there was no racial component to slavery?  Because that is ignorance beyond words.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Not all white people are willing to allow themselves to be bred away into extinction just because a few rich white people were bad to non-whites through out history.
    Yeah, this totally doesn’t make you sound like someone overly concerned with racial purity and/or supremacy.  Not at all.

    Not at all.

  • Tuna Ghost

    That’s a pretty convenient way to not address the issues, buddy.  You know who does that?  People who are full of shit and have nothing to back it up.  Is that you, Monkey’s Uncle?  Show us that this doesn’t describe you.

  • Tuna Ghost

    In other parts of the world, however, they’d give him a freaking medal and worship him for his part in trying to uphold righteous values and build shrines to him and name streets after him. 
    What parts of the world would those be, out of curiousity?  Are you thinking of nations, areas, or just organizations?

  • David Indge

    it’s like what micael caine said on the batman movie some people just want to see the world burn;(

  • David Indge

    it’s like what micael caine said on the batman movie some people just want to see the world burn;(

  • David Indge

    i think you’ll find that there’s less doric speaking scots left, than any other tribe nation or cultural group on the planet yes i’m white but my cultures so diluted that i’m probably the last generation of doric speaking folk, but thats what religeon,slavery,opretion,and western geographic politics has done to a proud and ancient culture i’m the ethnic minority here!and you have the nerve to call me racist.

  • Anonymous

    thank you tuna! i tried to say it but could not seem to articulate it clearly.

    liked and very much appreciated.

  • Anonymous

    Whom is calling you a racist?

    i certainly am not.

    And while doric speakers may be on the decline, i know scots is widely taught in education.
    And no they are not the smallest ethno-linguistic group on the planet (1.5 million according to scottish parliament speak “scots.”) that is a pretty ridiculous statement given that there are tribal minorities with less than 1000 members.

    If you want to talk about ancient history, i will concede i am no celtic studies scholar; however scots invaded scotland from scandinavia. displacing pictish and gaelic cultures whom already existed there.

    so perhaps scottish culture is a hybrid with gaelic, scot and british elements.

    and my reference was specifically in a north american context, although a similar framework can be applied to europe, N. american culture (as it is) is something i can speak to and know about first hand and academically. So while perhaps that may not be applicable to you specifically, it is applicable to western culture generally.

  • Anonymous

    at the risk of restarting what i find to be a ridiculous debate i must agree with Tuna’s very well articulated point that  racism= prejudice+power (derived from being the dominant culture). obviously i failed to succinctly summarise this very important distinction between prejudice and racism.

  • Anonymous

    I return to my original assessment about you. You have never posted on dis-info before, yet you come here to post ad-hominem attacks, assert the existance of profound reverse-racism, and use in-eloquent poesie to attempt to  diffuse a legimate and very real critique i had about your comment. Why this issue? Why is the assertion of reverse racism your raison d’etre? there can only be one reason: white nationalism. it is the only truth that fits. you may have an alternative opinion of yourself, but a tree’s shadow is still a tree. Whsy on THIS article- all about a white nationalist terrorist? And your example of being “white” in the ghetto, was frankly insulting. Ghettoisation of african-americans is symptomatic of institutional and historical racism d instituted by white america. My reply was tongue-in-cheek, in order to assess your response. Which btw is not an example of racism. Perhaps discontent and prejudice, but not racism. as racism is oppressive anrd prevelant in all social interactions (and as i stated before institutional). to paraphrase my very clever fellow poster Tuna Ghost,”Racism= prejudice +privilege +power.” that is not my definition that is THE definitive denotation used by academia. I cannot feign to know who are, but i did see past your facade immediately.

  • Hungarianman61

    Miss information. I don’t think so. This cold bloody killer knew what he wanted to do. He had the chance to do what he did due to the fact of poor Police Force in Norway, which was not ready to take on any kind of terrorist threat in Norway.

  • Hungarianman61

    Miss information. I don’t think so. This cold bloody killer knew what he wanted to do. He had the chance to do what he did due to the fact of poor Police Force in Norway, which was not ready to take on any kind of terrorist threat in Norway.

  • Countvelcro

    white folks were all about oppressing each other. in fact, the import of africans was the first time “white” was ever considered to a singular group. you see the same genocidal impulses in Africa, and much of western history. color just makes it more convenient.

  • Anonymous

    i will confess i don’t really understand your point?