• @ShadowMindGear

    This isn’t helpful to anything. http://www.chronicle.su/editorial/rupert-murdoch-is-responsible-for-the-hacking-of-911-victims

  • @ShadowMindGear

    This isn’t helpful to anything. http://www.chronicle.su/editorial/rupert-murdoch-is-responsible-for-the-hacking-of-911-victims

  • http://twitter.com/Dave_Eger Dave Eger

    Religion was the scapegoat. Greed was most likely the cause.

    • SF2K01

      Religion is responsible for plenty of good and bad. Of course, the irony of the message is that they ignore the fact that people do plenty of very nasty things in the name of plenty of things that aren’t religion, including political ideologies so their point is entirely moot.

  • http://twitter.com/Dave_Eger Dave Eger

    Religion was the scapegoat. Greed was most likely the cause.

  • Trevor Parsons

    Ditto Dave Eger all the way on religion being the scapegoat. (And that’s coming from an atheist.) Talk about some major DISINFORMATION!

    • Guest

      Agreed (also an atheist). We all lose with thoughtless, reactionary, small minded statements like the original. Just the kind of thing to incite violence. It’s pointless to provoke like that.

  • Trevor Parsons

    Ditto Dave Eger all the way on religion being the scapegoat. (And that’s coming from an atheist.) Talk about some major DISINFORMATION!

  • DeepCough

    In case you forgot–

    9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

    The fuck does religion have to do with it?

    • Tuna Ghost

      There’s a lively debate in the comments section for the “Richard Gage on Detroit Fox News” article (“lively” in this case meaning Truthers being presented with evidence that counters their growingly absurd claims and ignoring said evidence and accusing the presenters of being scum/unwilling to accept that GASP the US government might not have our best interests at heart/unwilling to believe a man that claims to have proven that Jesus Christ preached to the native tribes of the Americas).  You’re welcome to join.

  • DeepCough

    In case you forgot–

    9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

    The fuck does religion have to do with it?

  • Al Briggs

    And a war with Iraq was the solution! Wait…

  • http://twitter.com/Boom_Briggs Al Briggs

    And a war with Iraq was the solution! Wait…

  • Johnq_public

    Excuse me, but Islamist want to rule the World by caliph, Islam is not Religious but political, there are those that believe they are worshiping, but not so, Mauhamad was a pipe dream..not sure what was in the pipe.   In
    the biography of the second caliph of Islam  “Umar
    bin Khattab,” we
    read that those invaders have gone to conquer lands that did not
    belong to them! 
    When the conquerors reached Jerusalem,
    there was no shadow of a muslim because they were in their infancy of
    the conquest of the lands throughout the world! Umar bin
    Khattab has appropriated the land in the name of Mohammed, because he
    would have traveled virtually, in a dream from Mecca to
    Jerusalem! Mohammed never set his foot in
    Jerusalem! Just a dream of Muhammad was enough for the
    caliph Umar, as ownership deed! 

  • Anonymous

    Excuse me, but Islamist want to rule the World by caliph, Islam is not Religious but political, there are those that believe they are worshiping, but not so, Mauhamad was a pipe dream..not sure what was in the pipe.   In
    the biography of the second caliph of Islam  “Umar
    bin Khattab,” we
    read that those invaders have gone to conquer lands that did not
    belong to them! 
    When the conquerors reached Jerusalem,
    there was no shadow of a muslim because they were in their infancy of
    the conquest of the lands throughout the world! Umar bin
    Khattab has appropriated the land in the name of Mohammed, because he
    would have traveled virtually, in a dream from Mecca to
    Jerusalem! Mohammed never set his foot in
    Jerusalem! Just a dream of Muhammad was enough for the
    caliph Umar, as ownership deed! 

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, lets paint Atheists as the bad guys yet again you fucking cock sucker. Lets jump into the middle of the fight wearing nipple tassels and glitter, shouting about how we’re so above religion. Lets see how long we last you retarded piece of shit.

  • Tuna Ghost

    ….I think pretty much everyone on Disinfo would agree that its a bit more complicated than that

    • Yashendwirh

      I sure hope so.

    • http://profiles.google.com/epicfloyd Drexel Floyd

      Agreed.  Unfortunately this seems to be a major rallying point of atheists.

      • Ehmkec

        …atheists don’t rally.

        • Tuna Ghost

          Of course they do, any activist group has rallies.  Barcelona just had some difficulty putting down an atheist march on Easter sunday.  Do some research, guy!

          • Ehmkec

            Actually this event was more politically motivated against Barcelona’s tourist council than anything else.  Besides, I’m an atheist – I really have better things to do than fret over religious research.  …guy!

  • Tuna Ghost

    ….I think pretty much everyone on Disinfo would agree that its a bit more complicated than that

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I may disagree with the particulars and the oversimplifications…but it vaguely echoes a favorite slogan of mine:

    Science can fly you to the moon…religion can fly you into buildings.

    Oversimple…sure…but damned funny exactly because theres a grain of truth that can’t be denied. 

    • Micho_rizo

      Science can also wipe out an entire city with one bomb shot from thousands of miles away, so what’s your point? It can also develop chemicals that turn human beings’ insides into pudding. Science has also given us super bacteria and machine guns and electric chairs and radioactive waste. Just like anything else (including religion), science can be used to make life better (ice, toilet paper, air conditioning, vaccines, etc.) or it could be used to fuck shit up.

      Sure, religion is irrational and stupid, but that’s because human beings are irrational and stupid. If it wasn’t religion, things like the Inquisition would’ve happened over political ideology or economics or classism or any of a hundred million other stupid reasons human beings do terrible things to each other. Religion is just convenient because it’s easy to get people riled up when they think they’re doing something in the name of the creator of the universe….

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I may disagree with the particulars and the oversimplifications…but it vaguely echoes a favorite slogan of mine:

    Science can fly you to the moon…religion can fly you into buildings.

    Oversimple…sure…but damned funny exactly because theres a grain of truth that can’t be denied. 

  • Lustxi

    Never Forget 9/11. Colonialism was the cause.

    • Irving Greenfield

      Yes, i think this is and cultural imperialism as well. While we in the west would not suggest that women wear a persian rug with eye holes cut out over their head, but do we have a right to tell the Islamic world that they must stop? I think that the imposition of our western hedonistc culture on the Muslim world is more likely the cause. They don’t want it, and quite frankly, I can’t blame them.

      • http://twitter.com/Yashendwirh Yashendwirh

        Plus, the amount of women who actually wear the niqab is so minexcule it’s barely worth mentioning. it just gets a lot of attention for the same reason the single guy wearing a hat and a leather trenchcoat and carrying a wooden staff through public in the middle of august gets attention.

        • SF2K01

          In western countries it’s minuscule, but notable and growing. In other countries, it’s mandatory.

          • http://twitter.com/Yashendwirh Yashendwirh

            You mean in as many countries as you can count on your hand, who likely have plenty of other notible cultural traditions that can and should change. So if it’s growing, it’s growing by choice, not by law. So really, in all countries, it’s a minuscule number.

          • SF2K01

            Who cares how few? Even one country promoting extremist religious views is dangerous when the sect is oppressing women, minorities and promoting violence. There isn’t any choice for the women/minorities involved, they’re simply being coerced by the local dictator’s opinion of religion/culture. At that point, other quaint qualities are not on the priority list of things to be concerned about.

          • http://twitter.com/Yashendwirh Yashendwirh

            I’ll reiterate. “…who likely have plenty of other notible cultural traditions that can and should change. So if it’s growing, it’s growing by choice, not by law. ” Law and rights for women are progressing in the middle east. They are making progress. It takes time. It’s been less than a century for the US, whose oppressed much of middle easter industry progress. I’m afraid even cultural oppression is more complicated than cult rule. 

          • Tuna Ghost

            You’re right that progress is being made, but it’s being helped by foreign women’s advocacy groups and human rights groups.  There is definitely a case to be made for outside intervention in these matters.  I don’t think any of us are arguing for cultural/moral relativity; as you say its much more complicated than that.  And I think we can all agree that “foreign intervention”, in regard to invasion and war, is one step forward and 100 steps back.  

  • Lustxi

    Never Forget 9/11. Colonialism was the cause.

  • ditm

    When I look at the people I share a religious stance with, I find it hard not to be ashamed to be atheist.

    • Guest

      I’m not sure that shame is the word I would choose, but yes, I too have been disappointed in many of my fellow travellers. The dogma of the vocal from all directions is sounding distressingly similar.

    • bobbiethejean

       Ahhhh, so you’re just coming to your disillusionment phase in which you realize that most atheists are just as fucktarded as everyone else? Welcome to the club. We have t-shirts!

    • YinYanged

      And thus I am agnostic…

    • Tuna Ghost

      Against stupidity even the gods themselves contend in vain

  • ditm

    When I look at the people I share a religious stance with, I find it hard not to be ashamed to be atheist.

  • Mr Willow

    I still thought they hated us for our Freedom.

    *cough*cough*

    • Marklar_Prime

      yes, our elites, the true perps of 9/11, hate us for our freedoms and prove it daily.

  • Mr Willow

    I still thought they hated us for our Freedom.

    *cough*cough*

  • wiseone

    how stupid, read what Osama said at the time. It had more to do with US policy in Israel than anything else. Wars are ALWAYS about economics.

     

    • Guest

      That’s only assuming the official story is correct… other than that, your point has no weight.  

  • wiseone

    how stupid, read what Osama said at the time. It had more to do with US policy in Israel than anything else. Wars are ALWAYS about economics.

     

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure that shame is the word I would choose, but yes, I too have been disappointed in many of my fellow travellers. The dogma of the vocal from all directions is sounding distressingly similar.

  • Blah

    i like their choice of font color for the URL at the bottom 
    nonbelievers.org

  • Blah

    i like their choice of font color for the URL at the bottom 
    nonbelievers.org

  • Anonymous

    Agreed (also an atheist). We all lose with thoughtless, reactionary, small minded statements like the original. Just the kind of thing to insight violence.

  • bobbiethejean

    I’m an atheist and I have to concur with several others here in saying that this is way too simplistic.

    • http://twitter.com/Yashendwirh Yashendwirh

      Yeah i know right? Also i didnt know you came here, S1 >_> I’m totally not stalking you BTW.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobbie-Jean-Pentecost/100000391760333 Bobbie Jean Pentecost

    I’m an atheist and I have to concur with several others here in saying that this is way too simplistic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobbie-Jean-Pentecost/100000391760333 Bobbie Jean Pentecost

     Ahhhh, so you’re just coming to your disillusionment phase in which you realize that most atheists are just as fucktarded as everyone else? Welcome to the club. We have t-shirts!

  • Gyio

    the whole idea of terrorism is that its the only tactic that works when a small force (al-queda) is trying to make an impact against a much larger force (the us). Its preposterous to think the small force would lie about its motives as it is imperative to bring others attention to the small force’s cause in order for the event to have effect.  In other words, al-queda would have no reason to lie about why they did it.  Why did they SAY they did it?  Do you even know?  Did you even bother to listen to their reason or did you just make up your own?  They said they did it because of american bases and boots on the ground in saudi arabia and other arab countries,  That was the reason.

  • Gyio

    the whole idea of terrorism is that its the only tactic that works when a small force (al-queda) is trying to make an impact against a much larger force (the us). Its preposterous to think the small force would lie about its motives as it is imperative to bring others attention to the small force’s cause in order for the event to have effect.  In other words, al-queda would have no reason to lie about why they did it.  Why did they SAY they did it?  Do you even know?  Did you even bother to listen to their reason or did you just make up your own?  They said they did it because of american bases and boots on the ground in saudi arabia and other arab countries,  That was the reason.

  • Anonymous

    Religion is responsible for plenty of good and bad. Of course, the irony of the message is that they ignore the fact that people do plenty of very nasty things in the name of plenty of things that aren’t religion, including political ideologies so their point is entirely moot.

  • wizard

    Never forget 9/11 Commercial Aeronautics and High rise construction were the cause and also box cutter manufactures were to blame. 

  • wizard

    Never forget 9/11 Commercial Aeronautics and High rise construction were the cause and also box cutter manufactures were to blame. 

  • Irving Greenfield

    Yes, i think this is and cultural imperialism as well. While we in the west would not suggest that women wear a persian rug with eye holes cut out over their head, but do we have a right to tell the Islamic world that they must stop? I think that the imposition of our western hedonistc culture on the Muslim world is more likely the cause. They don’t want it, and quite frankly, I can’t blame them.

  • Gregory

    Yeah, this is a pretty stupid statement, even from an atheist, which is saying something.  I mean people who go around trying to deny their own existence say some pretty pathetic things, but the whole “Religion caused 9/11″ stuff makes the crap I took this morning look like a philosopher.

    The point we need to make about Islam and Xianity is these things aren’t religions, they’re political systems that have just used religion for centuries by taking advantage of people’s inclination to choose political, economic and material security over spiritual fulfillment by giving folks just enough spiritual identity to satisfy them on that point, while really making them obsessed about nationalism, patriotism, culture, money stuff, any arbitrary material thing they can think of to distract people with.  Stuff is sexy and gives short term pleasure, but as Western Culture shows, with it’s abuse of alcohol and drugs and the growing desperation by both Xians and Muslims to justify their faith by trying to legislate their “religious” values onto others by the anti-abortion laws and anti-gay laws, etc and of course by Muslims who want their folks to abide by Sharia Law.

    It’s like the whole dark side vs the light side…the dark side is easier, more seductive, sexier.  But the key is that the force has both a light and a dark side, is both spirit and matter (which is just slow-moving energy) and like duct tape, binds the universe together.  Luminous beings are we, not these ambulatory sacks of gore.

    As Shaw said, the hardest question to answer is that to which the answer is obvious, so many people just stop asking the question and just go have a sandwich while going to their church/mosque one day a week and putting a religious label on themselves, while remaining spiritually incompetent.  But as Jaysus said, you cannot live on sandwiches alone.

    True religion is an earnest quest to try to answer the questions to which the answers are so obvious, it is difficult to express the answer.  It certainly cannot be found in a test tube or by a mathematical equation or by sweeping the floor of a supercollider.  Atheists and religious fundamentalists have stopped asking this question, but they’re also really fucking tired of all those fucking sandwiches too.  Being this way is not having an open mind, it is having a closed mind.  Because you’ve made up your mind about things and when you’ve made up your mind about THE questions and decided on an answer that suits your ideology, you’ve stopped thinking.

    Fiat lux.

  • Gregory

    Yeah, this is a pretty stupid statement, even from an atheist, which is saying something.  I mean people who go around trying to deny their own existence say some pretty pathetic things, but the whole “Religion caused 9/11″ stuff makes the crap I took this morning look like a philosopher.

    The point we need to make about Islam and Xianity is these things aren’t religions, they’re political systems that have just used religion for centuries by taking advantage of people’s inclination to choose political, economic and material security over spiritual fulfillment by giving folks just enough spiritual identity to satisfy them on that point, while really making them obsessed about nationalism, patriotism, culture, money stuff, any arbitrary material thing they can think of to distract people with.  Stuff is sexy and gives short term pleasure, but as Western Culture shows, with it’s abuse of alcohol and drugs and the growing desperation by both Xians and Muslims to justify their faith by trying to legislate their “religious” values onto others by the anti-abortion laws and anti-gay laws, etc and of course by Muslims who want their folks to abide by Sharia Law.

    It’s like the whole dark side vs the light side…the dark side is easier, more seductive, sexier.  But the key is that the force has both a light and a dark side, is both spirit and matter (which is just slow-moving energy) and like duct tape, binds the universe together.  Luminous beings are we, not these ambulatory sacks of gore.

    As Shaw said, the hardest question to answer is that to which the answer is obvious, so many people just stop asking the question and just go have a sandwich while going to their church/mosque one day a week and putting a religious label on themselves, while remaining spiritually incompetent.  But as Jaysus said, you cannot live on sandwiches alone.

    True religion is an earnest quest to try to answer the questions to which the answers are so obvious, it is difficult to express the answer.  It certainly cannot be found in a test tube or by a mathematical equation or by sweeping the floor of a supercollider.  Atheists and religious fundamentalists have stopped asking this question, but they’re also really fucking tired of all those fucking sandwiches too.  Being this way is not having an open mind, it is having a closed mind.  Because you’ve made up your mind about things and when you’ve made up your mind about THE questions and decided on an answer that suits your ideology, you’ve stopped thinking.

    Fiat lux.

  • Anonymous

    It’s just simplistic froth for those folks who can only cope with black and white explanations of stuff.
    But as we know, the world and all that happens are a thousand shades of grey.
    The term ‘fundamentalist atheist’ really should be in common parlance… ‘cos their non-belief is like a religion to them. Like that Dawkins twat.

  • cakey pig

    It’s just simplistic froth for those folks who can only cope with black and white explanations of stuff.
    But as we know, the world and all that happens are a thousand shades of grey.
    The term ‘fundamentalist atheist’ really should be in common parlance… ‘cos their non-belief is like a religion to them. Like that Dawkins twat.

  • http://twitter.com/Marklar_Prime Marklar Kronkite

    yes, our elites, the true perps of 9/11, hate us for our freedoms and prove it daily.

  • YinYanged

    And thus I am agnostic…

  • Micho_rizo

    Science can also wipe out an entire city with one bomb shot from thousands of miles away, so what’s your point? It can also develop chemicals that turn human beings’ insides into pudding. Science has also given us super bacteria and machine guns and electric chairs and radioactive waste. Just like anything else (including religion), science can be used to make life better (ice, toilet paper, air conditioning, vaccines, etc.) or it could be used to fuck shit up.

    Sure, religion is irrational and stupid, but that’s because human beings are irrational and stupid. If it wasn’t religion, things like the Inquisition would’ve happened over political ideology or economics or classism or any of a hundred million other stupid reasons human beings do terrible things to each other. Religion is just convenient because it’s easy to get people riled up when they think they’re doing something in the name of the creator of the universe….

  • Guest Ghost

    And never forget when religion is the cause then sometimes it takes over
    an hour and a half for NORAD to scramble jets. Commercial Airliners
    melt into the earth with little or no wreckage and the FBI confiscates video from all around the Pentagon. Religion is probably why the FBI blocked Coleen Rowley’s
    investigation. Religion caused Building 7 to collapse and also is
    probably what helped NIST cover it up. Religion is the cause of all evil
    in the world. From Taoist Master’s on Mount Lien T’ou to a 10 year old girl praying her rosary in Peoria, IL. It’s all due to religion.    

  • Guest Ghost

    And never forget when religion is the cause then sometimes it takes over
    an hour and a half for NORAD to scramble jets. Commercial Airliners
    melt into the earth with little or no wreckage and the FBI confiscates video from all around the Pentagon. Religion is probably why the FBI blocked Coleen Rowley’s
    investigation. Religion caused Building 7 to collapse and also is
    probably what helped NIST cover it up. Religion is the cause of all evil
    in the world. From Taoist Master’s on Mount Lien T’ou to a 10 year old girl praying her rosary in Peoria, IL. It’s all due to religion.    

    • SF2K01

      Nah, it’s not religion. they were probably just afraid of offending Muslims. Islam is more than religion, it’s also a political group all on it’s own.

      • Sf2k01sucks

        No it’s not.. and even if it was, what country do you think you live in?  Our entire constitution is based off christian ideals.. which is more dangerous?  i’ll let you argue it by yourself.. by the way, you suck, sf2k01.

        • Tuna Ghost

          No it’s not.. 

          Hot damn you’re good at debating!  

          and even if it was, what country do you think you live in?

          Dunno about that guy, but personally?  South Korea.  Not everyone on Disinfo lives in America or the UK, or even in the West.

          Our entire constitution is based off christian ideals..

          I challenge you to post the “Christian” ideals that provide the basis for the ENTIRE constitution.  

          which is more dangerous?

          What is this even asking?  Islam versus Christianity?  Islamic politics and government versus the west?  

          by the way, you suck, sf2k01.

          Oh just go ahead and make out with him/her already

  • Yashendwirh

    I sure hope so.

  • http://twitter.com/Yashendwirh Yashendwirh

    Im so tired of these piss poor “articles” that I’m basically about to unsub from  disinfo for the very reason I was converted from other sources of freeform “news”

  • http://twitter.com/Yashendwirh Yashendwirh

    Im so tired of these piss poor “articles” that I’m basically about to unsub from  disinfo for the very reason I was converted from other sources of freeform “news”

  • http://twitter.com/Yashendwirh Yashendwirh

    Plus, the amount of women who actually wear the niqab is so minexcule it’s barely worth mentioning. it just gets a lot of attention for the same reason the single guy wearing a hat and a leather trenchcoat and carrying a wooden staff through public in the middle of august gets attention.

  • http://twitter.com/Yashendwirh Yashendwirh

    Yeah i know right? Also i didnt know you came here, S1 >_> I’m totally not stalking you BTW.

  • http://profiles.google.com/epicfloyd Drexel Floyd

    Agreed.  Unfortunately this seems to be a major rallying point of atheists.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rabahad Adam Rabah

    its just down right unfortunate when people say such extreme things with NO justification what so ever , well guess what nonbelievers.org , YOU fucking blew up the twin towers, because I said so… i must win right? at least i justified what i said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rabahad Adam Rabah

    its just down right unfortunate when people say such extreme things with NO justification what so ever , well guess what nonbelievers.org , YOU fucking blew up the twin towers, because I said so… i must win right? at least i justified what i said.

  • Anonymous

    Nah, it’s not religion. they were probably just afraid of offending Muslims. Islam is more than religion, it’s also a political group all on it’s own.

  • Anonymous

    In western countries it’s minuscule, but notable and growing. In other countries, it’s mandatory.

  • http://twitter.com/Yashendwirh Yashendwirh

    You mean in as many countries as you can count on your hand, who likely have plenty of other notible cultural traditions that can and should change. So if it’s growing, it’s growing by choice, not by law. So really, in all countries, it’s a minuscule number.

  • Guest

    Religion is only the cause if you choose to believe the “official story.”  Assholes.  What kind of troll bait is this article?

  • Guest

    Religion is only the cause if you choose to believe the “official story.”  Assholes.  What kind of troll bait is this article?

    • Tuna Ghost

      Even if you believe the official story, which I do except for the part where nobody knew about the attacks beforehand, religion still isn’t the cause.  

  • Sf2k01sucks

    No it’s not.. and even if it was, what country do you think you live in?  Our entire constitution is based off christian ideals.. which is more dangerous?  i’ll let you argue it by yourself.. by the way, you suck, sf2k01.

  • Guest

    That’s only assuming the official story is correct… other than that, your point has no weight.  

  • Anonymous

    Who cares how few? Even one country promoting extremist religious views is dangerous when the sect is oppressing women, minorities and promoting violence. At that point, other quaint qualities are not on the priority list of things to be concerned about.

  • Anonymous

    Human beings are the cause. 

    Oops!  I know, the truth hurts.  Sorry.

  • smooth_operator

    Human beings are the cause. 

    Oops!  I know, the truth hurts.  Sorry.

  • http://twitter.com/Yashendwirh Yashendwirh

    I’ll reiterate. “…who likely have plenty of other notible cultural traditions that can and should change. So if it’s growing, it’s growing by choice, not by law. ” Law and rights for women are progressing in the middle east. They are making progress. It takes time. It’s been less than a century for the US, whose oppressed much of middle easter industry progress. I’m afraid even cultural oppression is more complicated than cult rule. 

  • The Uninfluential Citizen

    Are you kidding me? This is wrong on so many levels. Since when was religion the cause? Lack of tolerance for others if anything would be the problem…which would be a problem with humanity! I could’ve swore it was either U.S. imperialism, government sponsored terrorism, or just that good old American greed that caused it, fuck, it might as well been all three. And you can’t fucking blame religion like that because it’s beneficial to you…who the fuck do you think you are? Why can’t atheist take advantage of the fact that they don’t have religious barriers/differences between each other and come together and do something that doesn’t lower humanity instead of being part of the problem they’re blaming. Differences between people shouldn’t be a mechanism of control, and it shouldn’t be acceptable, plain and simple. 

  • The Uninfluential Citizen

    Are you kidding me? This is wrong on so many levels. Since when was religion the cause? Lack of tolerance for others if anything would be the problem…which would be a problem with humanity! I could’ve swore it was either U.S. imperialism, government sponsored terrorism, or just that good old American greed that caused it, fuck, it might as well been all three. And you can’t fucking blame religion like that because it’s beneficial to you…who the fuck do you think you are? Why can’t atheist take advantage of the fact that they don’t have religious barriers/differences between each other and come together and do something that doesn’t lower humanity instead of being part of the problem they’re blaming. Differences between people shouldn’t be a mechanism of control, and it shouldn’t be acceptable, plain and simple. 

  • YerMom

    I’m not a Theist, but I do hate the New Atheism.

    It is so arrogant, so full of conceit.

  • YerMom

    I’m not a Theist, but I do hate the New Atheism.

    It is so arrogant, so full of conceit.

  • Tuna Ghost

    You’re right that progress is being made, but it’s being helped by foreign women’s advocacy groups and human rights groups.  There is definitely a case to be made for outside intervention in these matters.  I don’t think any of us are arguing for cultural/moral relativity; as you say its much more complicated than that.  And I think we can all agree that “foreign intervention”, in regard to invasion and war, is one step forward and 100 steps back.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    No it’s not.. 

    Hot damn you’re good at debating!  

    and even if it was, what country do you think you live in?

    Dunno about that guy, but personally?  South Korea.  Not everyone on Disinfo lives in America or the UK, or even in the West.

    Our entire constitution is based off christian ideals..

    I challenge you to post the “Christian” ideals that provide the basis for the ENTIRE constitution.  

    which is more dangerous?

    What is this even asking?  Islam versus Christianity?  Islamic politics and government versus the west?  

    by the way, you suck, sf2k01.

    Oh just go ahead and make out with him/her already

  • Tuna Ghost

    Against stupidity even the gods themselves contend in vain

  • Ehmkec

    …atheists don’t rally.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DEWK2RLKWSL6CAITZQCMAEAE7A jasonio

    Last time I checked, religion was a way of thinking not a man with a bomb. Seriously, the causes are poorly made decisions on foreign policy coming back to bite the perpertrators on their ass and the rich, on whom much of the worlds ills can be blamed.

    • SF2K01

      Unless your religion explicitly endorses warfare, which is the case we’re dealing with in a significant part of the world. As much as the government’s poor foreign policy decisions have gathered lots of ill will, ill will by itself doesn’t create the underlying ideology present in religions that seek out war and encourage it in their never ending struggle against the non-believer.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DEWK2RLKWSL6CAITZQCMAEAE7A jasonio

    Last time I checked, religion was a way of thinking not a man with a bomb. Seriously, the causes are poorly made decisions on foreign policy coming back to bite the perpertrators on their ass and the rich, on whom much of the worlds ills can be blamed.

  • Anonymous

    Unless your religion explicitly endorses warfare, which is the case we’re dealing with in a significant part of the world. As much as the government’s poor foreign policy decisions have gathered lots of ill will, ill will by itself doesn’t create the underlying ideology present in religions that seek out war and encourage it in their never ending struggle against the non-believer.

  • Bradleystuartjeffrey

    no, power was the cause.  Fear was the cause.  hate was the cause.  idiots were the cause.

  • Bradleystuartjeffrey

    no, power was the cause.  Fear was the cause.  hate was the cause.  idiots were the cause.

  • Anonymous

    Whatever the cause, people will always look for an excuse to harm each other.

  • Anonymous

    Whatever the cause, people will always look for an excuse to harm each other.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Even if you believe the official story, which I do except for the part where nobody knew about the attacks beforehand, religion still isn’t the cause.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    Of course they do, any activist group has rallies.  Barcelona just had some difficulty putting down an atheist march on Easter sunday.  Do some research, guy!

  • Tuna Ghost

    There’s a lively debate in the comments section for the “Richard Gage on Detroit Fox News” article (“lively” in this case meaning Truthers being presented with evidence that counters their growingly absurd claims and ignoring said evidence and accusing the presenters of being scum/unwilling to accept that GASP the US government might not have our best interests at heart/unwilling to believe a man that claims to have proven that Jesus Christ preached to the native tribes of the Americas).  You’re welcome to join.

  • Ehmkec

    Actually this event was more politically motivated against Barcelona’s tourist council than anything else.  Besides, I’m an atheist – I really have better things to do than fret over religious research.  …guy!

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