Never Forget 9/11. Religion Was the Cause …

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113 Comments on "Never Forget 9/11. Religion Was the Cause …"

  1. @ShadowMindGear | Jul 19, 2011 at 5:29 am |

    This isn’t helpful to anything. http://www.chronicle.su/editorial/rupert-murdoch-is-responsible-for-the-hacking-of-911-victims

  2. @ShadowMindGear | Jul 19, 2011 at 1:29 am |

    This isn’t helpful to anything. http://www.chronicle.su/editorial/rupert-murdoch-is-responsible-for-the-hacking-of-911-victims

  3. Religion was the scapegoat. Greed was most likely the cause.

  4. Religion was the scapegoat. Greed was most likely the cause.

    • Religion is responsible for plenty of good and bad. Of course, the irony of the message is that they ignore the fact that people do plenty of very nasty things in the name of plenty of things that aren’t religion, including political ideologies so their point is entirely moot.

  5. Trevor Parsons | Jul 19, 2011 at 5:41 am |

    Ditto Dave Eger all the way on religion being the scapegoat. (And that’s coming from an atheist.) Talk about some major DISINFORMATION!

  6. Trevor Parsons | Jul 19, 2011 at 1:41 am |

    Ditto Dave Eger all the way on religion being the scapegoat. (And that’s coming from an atheist.) Talk about some major DISINFORMATION!

    • Agreed (also an atheist). We all lose with thoughtless, reactionary, small minded statements like the original. Just the kind of thing to incite violence. It’s pointless to provoke like that.

  7. DeepCough | Jul 19, 2011 at 5:42 am |

    In case you forgot–

    9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

    The fuck does religion have to do with it?

  8. DeepCough | Jul 19, 2011 at 1:42 am |

    In case you forgot–

    9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

    The fuck does religion have to do with it?

    • Tuna Ghost | Jul 26, 2011 at 2:37 pm |

      There’s a lively debate in the comments section for the “Richard Gage on Detroit Fox News” article (“lively” in this case meaning Truthers being presented with evidence that counters their growingly absurd claims and ignoring said evidence and accusing the presenters of being scum/unwilling to accept that GASP the US government might not have our best interests at heart/unwilling to believe a man that claims to have proven that Jesus Christ preached to the native tribes of the Americas).  You’re welcome to join.

  9. And a war with Iraq was the solution! Wait…

  10. Al Briggs | Jul 19, 2011 at 2:00 am |

    And a war with Iraq was the solution! Wait…

  11. Anonymous | Jul 19, 2011 at 6:05 am |

    Excuse me, but Islamist want to rule the World by caliph, Islam is not Religious but political, there are those that believe they are worshiping, but not so, Mauhamad was a pipe dream..not sure what was in the pipe.   In
    the biography of the second caliph of Islam  “Umar
    bin Khattab,” we
    read that those invaders have gone to conquer lands that did not
    belong to them! 
    When the conquerors reached Jerusalem,
    there was no shadow of a muslim because they were in their infancy of
    the conquest of the lands throughout the world! Umar bin
    Khattab has appropriated the land in the name of Mohammed, because he
    would have traveled virtually, in a dream from Mecca to
    Jerusalem! Mohammed never set his foot in
    Jerusalem! Just a dream of Muhammad was enough for the
    caliph Umar, as ownership deed! 

  12. Johnq_public | Jul 19, 2011 at 2:05 am |

    Excuse me, but Islamist want to rule the World by caliph, Islam is not Religious but political, there are those that believe they are worshiping, but not so, Mauhamad was a pipe dream..not sure what was in the pipe.   In
    the biography of the second caliph of Islam  “Umar
    bin Khattab,” we
    read that those invaders have gone to conquer lands that did not
    belong to them! 
    When the conquerors reached Jerusalem,
    there was no shadow of a muslim because they were in their infancy of
    the conquest of the lands throughout the world! Umar bin
    Khattab has appropriated the land in the name of Mohammed, because he
    would have traveled virtually, in a dream from Mecca to
    Jerusalem! Mohammed never set his foot in
    Jerusalem! Just a dream of Muhammad was enough for the
    caliph Umar, as ownership deed! 

  13. Anonymous | Jul 19, 2011 at 7:01 am |

    Yeah, lets paint Atheists as the bad guys yet again you fucking cock sucker. Lets jump into the middle of the fight wearing nipple tassels and glitter, shouting about how we’re so above religion. Lets see how long we last you retarded piece of shit.

  14. Tuna Ghost | Jul 19, 2011 at 7:20 am |

    ….I think pretty much everyone on Disinfo would agree that its a bit more complicated than that

  15. Tuna Ghost | Jul 19, 2011 at 3:20 am |

    ….I think pretty much everyone on Disinfo would agree that its a bit more complicated than that

    • Yashendwirh | Jul 19, 2011 at 3:12 pm |

      I sure hope so.

    • Agreed.  Unfortunately this seems to be a major rallying point of atheists.

      • …atheists don’t rally.

        • Tuna Ghost | Jul 26, 2011 at 2:33 pm |

          Of course they do, any activist group has rallies.  Barcelona just had some difficulty putting down an atheist march on Easter sunday.  Do some research, guy!

          • Actually this event was more politically motivated against Barcelona’s tourist council than anything else.  Besides, I’m an atheist – I really have better things to do than fret over religious research.  …guy!

  16. I may disagree with the particulars and the oversimplifications…but it vaguely echoes a favorite slogan of mine:

    Science can fly you to the moon…religion can fly you into buildings.

    Oversimple…sure…but damned funny exactly because theres a grain of truth that can’t be denied. 

  17. I may disagree with the particulars and the oversimplifications…but it vaguely echoes a favorite slogan of mine:

    Science can fly you to the moon…religion can fly you into buildings.

    Oversimple…sure…but damned funny exactly because theres a grain of truth that can’t be denied. 

    • Micho_rizo | Jul 19, 2011 at 12:39 pm |

      Science can also wipe out an entire city with one bomb shot from thousands of miles away, so what’s your point? It can also develop chemicals that turn human beings’ insides into pudding. Science has also given us super bacteria and machine guns and electric chairs and radioactive waste. Just like anything else (including religion), science can be used to make life better (ice, toilet paper, air conditioning, vaccines, etc.) or it could be used to fuck shit up.

      Sure, religion is irrational and stupid, but that’s because human beings are irrational and stupid. If it wasn’t religion, things like the Inquisition would’ve happened over political ideology or economics or classism or any of a hundred million other stupid reasons human beings do terrible things to each other. Religion is just convenient because it’s easy to get people riled up when they think they’re doing something in the name of the creator of the universe….

  18. Never Forget 9/11. Colonialism was the cause.

  19. Never Forget 9/11. Colonialism was the cause.

    • Irving Greenfield | Jul 19, 2011 at 8:37 am |

      Yes, i think this is and cultural imperialism as well. While we in the west would not suggest that women wear a persian rug with eye holes cut out over their head, but do we have a right to tell the Islamic world that they must stop? I think that the imposition of our western hedonistc culture on the Muslim world is more likely the cause. They don’t want it, and quite frankly, I can’t blame them.

      • Plus, the amount of women who actually wear the niqab is so minexcule it’s barely worth mentioning. it just gets a lot of attention for the same reason the single guy wearing a hat and a leather trenchcoat and carrying a wooden staff through public in the middle of august gets attention.

        • In western countries it’s minuscule, but notable and growing. In other countries, it’s mandatory.

          • You mean in as many countries as you can count on your hand, who likely have plenty of other notible cultural traditions that can and should change. So if it’s growing, it’s growing by choice, not by law. So really, in all countries, it’s a minuscule number.

          • Who cares how few? Even one country promoting extremist religious views is dangerous when the sect is oppressing women, minorities and promoting violence. There isn’t any choice for the women/minorities involved, they’re simply being coerced by the local dictator’s opinion of religion/culture. At that point, other quaint qualities are not on the priority list of things to be concerned about.

          • I’ll reiterate. “…who likely have plenty of other notible cultural traditions that can and should change. So if it’s growing, it’s growing by choice, not by law. ” Law and rights for women are progressing in the middle east. They are making progress. It takes time. It’s been less than a century for the US, whose oppressed much of middle easter industry progress. I’m afraid even cultural oppression is more complicated than cult rule. 

          • Tuna Ghost | Jul 20, 2011 at 1:47 am |

            You’re right that progress is being made, but it’s being helped by foreign women’s advocacy groups and human rights groups.  There is definitely a case to be made for outside intervention in these matters.  I don’t think any of us are arguing for cultural/moral relativity; as you say its much more complicated than that.  And I think we can all agree that “foreign intervention”, in regard to invasion and war, is one step forward and 100 steps back.  

  20. When I look at the people I share a religious stance with, I find it hard not to be ashamed to be atheist.

  21. When I look at the people I share a religious stance with, I find it hard not to be ashamed to be atheist.

    • I’m not sure that shame is the word I would choose, but yes, I too have been disappointed in many of my fellow travellers. The dogma of the vocal from all directions is sounding distressingly similar.

    • bobbiethejean | Jul 19, 2011 at 7:24 am |

       Ahhhh, so you’re just coming to your disillusionment phase in which you realize that most atheists are just as fucktarded as everyone else? Welcome to the club. We have t-shirts!

    • YinYanged | Jul 19, 2011 at 12:38 pm |

      And thus I am agnostic…

    • Tuna Ghost | Jul 20, 2011 at 5:01 am |

      Against stupidity even the gods themselves contend in vain

  22. Mr Willow | Jul 19, 2011 at 9:52 am |

    I still thought they hated us for our Freedom.

    *cough*cough*

  23. Mr Willow | Jul 19, 2011 at 5:52 am |

    I still thought they hated us for our Freedom.

    *cough*cough*

    • Marklar_Prime | Jul 19, 2011 at 10:00 am |

      yes, our elites, the true perps of 9/11, hate us for our freedoms and prove it daily.

  24. how stupid, read what Osama said at the time. It had more to do with US policy in Israel than anything else. Wars are ALWAYS about economics.

     

  25. Anonymous | Jul 19, 2011 at 10:18 am |

    I’m not sure that shame is the word I would choose, but yes, I too have been disappointed in many of my fellow travellers. The dogma of the vocal from all directions is sounding distressingly similar.

  26. how stupid, read what Osama said at the time. It had more to do with US policy in Israel than anything else. Wars are ALWAYS about economics.

     

    • That’s only assuming the official story is correct… other than that, your point has no weight.  

  27. i like their choice of font color for the URL at the bottom 
    nonbelievers.org

  28. i like their choice of font color for the URL at the bottom 
    nonbelievers.org

  29. Anonymous | Jul 19, 2011 at 10:32 am |

    Agreed (also an atheist). We all lose with thoughtless, reactionary, small minded statements like the original. Just the kind of thing to insight violence.

  30. I’m an atheist and I have to concur with several others here in saying that this is way too simplistic.

  31. bobbiethejean | Jul 19, 2011 at 7:22 am |

    I’m an atheist and I have to concur with several others here in saying that this is way too simplistic.

  32.  Ahhhh, so you’re just coming to your disillusionment phase in which you realize that most atheists are just as fucktarded as everyone else? Welcome to the club. We have t-shirts!

  33. the whole idea of terrorism is that its the only tactic that works when a small force (al-queda) is trying to make an impact against a much larger force (the us). Its preposterous to think the small force would lie about its motives as it is imperative to bring others attention to the small force’s cause in order for the event to have effect.  In other words, al-queda would have no reason to lie about why they did it.  Why did they SAY they did it?  Do you even know?  Did you even bother to listen to their reason or did you just make up your own?  They said they did it because of american bases and boots on the ground in saudi arabia and other arab countries,  That was the reason.

  34. the whole idea of terrorism is that its the only tactic that works when a small force (al-queda) is trying to make an impact against a much larger force (the us). Its preposterous to think the small force would lie about its motives as it is imperative to bring others attention to the small force’s cause in order for the event to have effect.  In other words, al-queda would have no reason to lie about why they did it.  Why did they SAY they did it?  Do you even know?  Did you even bother to listen to their reason or did you just make up your own?  They said they did it because of american bases and boots on the ground in saudi arabia and other arab countries,  That was the reason.

  35. Anonymous | Jul 19, 2011 at 12:17 pm |

    Religion is responsible for plenty of good and bad. Of course, the irony of the message is that they ignore the fact that people do plenty of very nasty things in the name of plenty of things that aren’t religion, including political ideologies so their point is entirely moot.

  36. Never forget 9/11 Commercial Aeronautics and High rise construction were the cause and also box cutter manufactures were to blame. 

  37. Never forget 9/11 Commercial Aeronautics and High rise construction were the cause and also box cutter manufactures were to blame. 

  38. Irving Greenfield | Jul 19, 2011 at 12:37 pm |

    Yes, i think this is and cultural imperialism as well. While we in the west would not suggest that women wear a persian rug with eye holes cut out over their head, but do we have a right to tell the Islamic world that they must stop? I think that the imposition of our western hedonistc culture on the Muslim world is more likely the cause. They don’t want it, and quite frankly, I can’t blame them.

  39. Yeah, this is a pretty stupid statement, even from an atheist, which is saying something.  I mean people who go around trying to deny their own existence say some pretty pathetic things, but the whole “Religion caused 9/11” stuff makes the crap I took this morning look like a philosopher.

    The point we need to make about Islam and Xianity is these things aren’t religions, they’re political systems that have just used religion for centuries by taking advantage of people’s inclination to choose political, economic and material security over spiritual fulfillment by giving folks just enough spiritual identity to satisfy them on that point, while really making them obsessed about nationalism, patriotism, culture, money stuff, any arbitrary material thing they can think of to distract people with.  Stuff is sexy and gives short term pleasure, but as Western Culture shows, with it’s abuse of alcohol and drugs and the growing desperation by both Xians and Muslims to justify their faith by trying to legislate their “religious” values onto others by the anti-abortion laws and anti-gay laws, etc and of course by Muslims who want their folks to abide by Sharia Law.

    It’s like the whole dark side vs the light side…the dark side is easier, more seductive, sexier.  But the key is that the force has both a light and a dark side, is both spirit and matter (which is just slow-moving energy) and like duct tape, binds the universe together.  Luminous beings are we, not these ambulatory sacks of gore.

    As Shaw said, the hardest question to answer is that to which the answer is obvious, so many people just stop asking the question and just go have a sandwich while going to their church/mosque one day a week and putting a religious label on themselves, while remaining spiritually incompetent.  But as Jaysus said, you cannot live on sandwiches alone.

    True religion is an earnest quest to try to answer the questions to which the answers are so obvious, it is difficult to express the answer.  It certainly cannot be found in a test tube or by a mathematical equation or by sweeping the floor of a supercollider.  Atheists and religious fundamentalists have stopped asking this question, but they’re also really fucking tired of all those fucking sandwiches too.  Being this way is not having an open mind, it is having a closed mind.  Because you’ve made up your mind about things and when you’ve made up your mind about THE questions and decided on an answer that suits your ideology, you’ve stopped thinking.

    Fiat lux.

  40. Yeah, this is a pretty stupid statement, even from an atheist, which is saying something.  I mean people who go around trying to deny their own existence say some pretty pathetic things, but the whole “Religion caused 9/11” stuff makes the crap I took this morning look like a philosopher.

    The point we need to make about Islam and Xianity is these things aren’t religions, they’re political systems that have just used religion for centuries by taking advantage of people’s inclination to choose political, economic and material security over spiritual fulfillment by giving folks just enough spiritual identity to satisfy them on that point, while really making them obsessed about nationalism, patriotism, culture, money stuff, any arbitrary material thing they can think of to distract people with.  Stuff is sexy and gives short term pleasure, but as Western Culture shows, with it’s abuse of alcohol and drugs and the growing desperation by both Xians and Muslims to justify their faith by trying to legislate their “religious” values onto others by the anti-abortion laws and anti-gay laws, etc and of course by Muslims who want their folks to abide by Sharia Law.

    It’s like the whole dark side vs the light side…the dark side is easier, more seductive, sexier.  But the key is that the force has both a light and a dark side, is both spirit and matter (which is just slow-moving energy) and like duct tape, binds the universe together.  Luminous beings are we, not these ambulatory sacks of gore.

    As Shaw said, the hardest question to answer is that to which the answer is obvious, so many people just stop asking the question and just go have a sandwich while going to their church/mosque one day a week and putting a religious label on themselves, while remaining spiritually incompetent.  But as Jaysus said, you cannot live on sandwiches alone.

    True religion is an earnest quest to try to answer the questions to which the answers are so obvious, it is difficult to express the answer.  It certainly cannot be found in a test tube or by a mathematical equation or by sweeping the floor of a supercollider.  Atheists and religious fundamentalists have stopped asking this question, but they’re also really fucking tired of all those fucking sandwiches too.  Being this way is not having an open mind, it is having a closed mind.  Because you’ve made up your mind about things and when you’ve made up your mind about THE questions and decided on an answer that suits your ideology, you’ve stopped thinking.

    Fiat lux.

  41. Anonymous | Jul 19, 2011 at 1:59 pm |

    It’s just simplistic froth for those folks who can only cope with black and white explanations of stuff.
    But as we know, the world and all that happens are a thousand shades of grey.
    The term ‘fundamentalist atheist’ really should be in common parlance… ‘cos their non-belief is like a religion to them. Like that Dawkins twat.

  42. cakey pig | Jul 19, 2011 at 9:59 am |

    It’s just simplistic froth for those folks who can only cope with black and white explanations of stuff.
    But as we know, the world and all that happens are a thousand shades of grey.
    The term ‘fundamentalist atheist’ really should be in common parlance… ‘cos their non-belief is like a religion to them. Like that Dawkins twat.

  43. yes, our elites, the true perps of 9/11, hate us for our freedoms and prove it daily.

  44. YinYanged | Jul 19, 2011 at 4:38 pm |

    And thus I am agnostic…

  45. Micho_rizo | Jul 19, 2011 at 4:39 pm |

    Science can also wipe out an entire city with one bomb shot from thousands of miles away, so what’s your point? It can also develop chemicals that turn human beings’ insides into pudding. Science has also given us super bacteria and machine guns and electric chairs and radioactive waste. Just like anything else (including religion), science can be used to make life better (ice, toilet paper, air conditioning, vaccines, etc.) or it could be used to fuck shit up.

    Sure, religion is irrational and stupid, but that’s because human beings are irrational and stupid. If it wasn’t religion, things like the Inquisition would’ve happened over political ideology or economics or classism or any of a hundred million other stupid reasons human beings do terrible things to each other. Religion is just convenient because it’s easy to get people riled up when they think they’re doing something in the name of the creator of the universe….

  46. Guest Ghost | Jul 19, 2011 at 6:37 pm |

    And never forget when religion is the cause then sometimes it takes over
    an hour and a half for NORAD to scramble jets. Commercial Airliners
    melt into the earth with little or no wreckage and the FBI confiscates video from all around the Pentagon. Religion is probably why the FBI blocked Coleen Rowley’s
    investigation. Religion caused Building 7 to collapse and also is
    probably what helped NIST cover it up. Religion is the cause of all evil
    in the world. From Taoist Master’s on Mount Lien T’ou to a 10 year old girl praying her rosary in Peoria, IL. It’s all due to religion.    

  47. Guest Ghost | Jul 19, 2011 at 2:37 pm |

    And never forget when religion is the cause then sometimes it takes over
    an hour and a half for NORAD to scramble jets. Commercial Airliners
    melt into the earth with little or no wreckage and the FBI confiscates video from all around the Pentagon. Religion is probably why the FBI blocked Coleen Rowley’s
    investigation. Religion caused Building 7 to collapse and also is
    probably what helped NIST cover it up. Religion is the cause of all evil
    in the world. From Taoist Master’s on Mount Lien T’ou to a 10 year old girl praying her rosary in Peoria, IL. It’s all due to religion.    

    • Nah, it’s not religion. they were probably just afraid of offending Muslims. Islam is more than religion, it’s also a political group all on it’s own.

      • Sf2k01sucks | Jul 19, 2011 at 6:33 pm |

        No it’s not.. and even if it was, what country do you think you live in?  Our entire constitution is based off christian ideals.. which is more dangerous?  i’ll let you argue it by yourself.. by the way, you suck, sf2k01.

        • Tuna Ghost | Jul 20, 2011 at 5:00 am |

          No it’s not.. 

          Hot damn you’re good at debating!  

          and even if it was, what country do you think you live in?

          Dunno about that guy, but personally?  South Korea.  Not everyone on Disinfo lives in America or the UK, or even in the West.

          Our entire constitution is based off christian ideals..

          I challenge you to post the “Christian” ideals that provide the basis for the ENTIRE constitution.  

          which is more dangerous?

          What is this even asking?  Islam versus Christianity?  Islamic politics and government versus the west?  

          by the way, you suck, sf2k01.

          Oh just go ahead and make out with him/her already

  48. Yashendwirh | Jul 19, 2011 at 7:12 pm |

    I sure hope so.

  49. Im so tired of these piss poor “articles” that I’m basically about to unsub from  disinfo for the very reason I was converted from other sources of freeform “news”

  50. Im so tired of these piss poor “articles” that I’m basically about to unsub from  disinfo for the very reason I was converted from other sources of freeform “news”

  51. Plus, the amount of women who actually wear the niqab is so minexcule it’s barely worth mentioning. it just gets a lot of attention for the same reason the single guy wearing a hat and a leather trenchcoat and carrying a wooden staff through public in the middle of august gets attention.

  52. Yeah i know right? Also i didnt know you came here, S1 >_> I’m totally not stalking you BTW.

  53. Agreed.  Unfortunately this seems to be a major rallying point of atheists.

  54. its just down right unfortunate when people say such extreme things with NO justification what so ever , well guess what nonbelievers.org , YOU fucking blew up the twin towers, because I said so… i must win right? at least i justified what i said.

  55. its just down right unfortunate when people say such extreme things with NO justification what so ever , well guess what nonbelievers.org , YOU fucking blew up the twin towers, because I said so… i must win right? at least i justified what i said.

  56. Anonymous | Jul 19, 2011 at 9:58 pm |

    Nah, it’s not religion. they were probably just afraid of offending Muslims. Islam is more than religion, it’s also a political group all on it’s own.

  57. Anonymous | Jul 19, 2011 at 10:01 pm |

    In western countries it’s minuscule, but notable and growing. In other countries, it’s mandatory.

  58. You mean in as many countries as you can count on your hand, who likely have plenty of other notible cultural traditions that can and should change. So if it’s growing, it’s growing by choice, not by law. So really, in all countries, it’s a minuscule number.

  59. Religion is only the cause if you choose to believe the “official story.”  Assholes.  What kind of troll bait is this article?

  60. Religion is only the cause if you choose to believe the “official story.”  Assholes.  What kind of troll bait is this article?

    • Tuna Ghost | Jul 26, 2011 at 2:28 pm |

      Even if you believe the official story, which I do except for the part where nobody knew about the attacks beforehand, religion still isn’t the cause.  

  61. Sf2k01sucks | Jul 19, 2011 at 10:33 pm |

    No it’s not.. and even if it was, what country do you think you live in?  Our entire constitution is based off christian ideals.. which is more dangerous?  i’ll let you argue it by yourself.. by the way, you suck, sf2k01.

  62. That’s only assuming the official story is correct… other than that, your point has no weight.  

  63. Anonymous | Jul 19, 2011 at 10:51 pm |

    Who cares how few? Even one country promoting extremist religious views is dangerous when the sect is oppressing women, minorities and promoting violence. At that point, other quaint qualities are not on the priority list of things to be concerned about.

  64. Anonymous | Jul 19, 2011 at 10:54 pm |

    Human beings are the cause. 

    Oops!  I know, the truth hurts.  Sorry.

  65. smooth_operator | Jul 19, 2011 at 6:54 pm |

    Human beings are the cause. 

    Oops!  I know, the truth hurts.  Sorry.

  66. I’ll reiterate. “…who likely have plenty of other notible cultural traditions that can and should change. So if it’s growing, it’s growing by choice, not by law. ” Law and rights for women are progressing in the middle east. They are making progress. It takes time. It’s been less than a century for the US, whose oppressed much of middle easter industry progress. I’m afraid even cultural oppression is more complicated than cult rule. 

  67. The Uninfluential Citizen | Jul 20, 2011 at 12:30 am |

    Are you kidding me? This is wrong on so many levels. Since when was religion the cause? Lack of tolerance for others if anything would be the problem…which would be a problem with humanity! I could’ve swore it was either U.S. imperialism, government sponsored terrorism, or just that good old American greed that caused it, fuck, it might as well been all three. And you can’t fucking blame religion like that because it’s beneficial to you…who the fuck do you think you are? Why can’t atheist take advantage of the fact that they don’t have religious barriers/differences between each other and come together and do something that doesn’t lower humanity instead of being part of the problem they’re blaming. Differences between people shouldn’t be a mechanism of control, and it shouldn’t be acceptable, plain and simple. 

  68. The Uninfluential Citizen | Jul 19, 2011 at 8:30 pm |

    Are you kidding me? This is wrong on so many levels. Since when was religion the cause? Lack of tolerance for others if anything would be the problem…which would be a problem with humanity! I could’ve swore it was either U.S. imperialism, government sponsored terrorism, or just that good old American greed that caused it, fuck, it might as well been all three. And you can’t fucking blame religion like that because it’s beneficial to you…who the fuck do you think you are? Why can’t atheist take advantage of the fact that they don’t have religious barriers/differences between each other and come together and do something that doesn’t lower humanity instead of being part of the problem they’re blaming. Differences between people shouldn’t be a mechanism of control, and it shouldn’t be acceptable, plain and simple. 

  69. I’m not a Theist, but I do hate the New Atheism.

    It is so arrogant, so full of conceit.

  70. I’m not a Theist, but I do hate the New Atheism.

    It is so arrogant, so full of conceit.

  71. Tuna Ghost | Jul 20, 2011 at 5:47 am |

    You’re right that progress is being made, but it’s being helped by foreign women’s advocacy groups and human rights groups.  There is definitely a case to be made for outside intervention in these matters.  I don’t think any of us are arguing for cultural/moral relativity; as you say its much more complicated than that.  And I think we can all agree that “foreign intervention”, in regard to invasion and war, is one step forward and 100 steps back.  

  72. Tuna Ghost | Jul 20, 2011 at 9:00 am |

    No it’s not.. 

    Hot damn you’re good at debating!  

    and even if it was, what country do you think you live in?

    Dunno about that guy, but personally?  South Korea.  Not everyone on Disinfo lives in America or the UK, or even in the West.

    Our entire constitution is based off christian ideals..

    I challenge you to post the “Christian” ideals that provide the basis for the ENTIRE constitution.  

    which is more dangerous?

    What is this even asking?  Islam versus Christianity?  Islamic politics and government versus the west?  

    by the way, you suck, sf2k01.

    Oh just go ahead and make out with him/her already

  73. Tuna Ghost | Jul 20, 2011 at 9:01 am |

    Against stupidity even the gods themselves contend in vain

  74. …atheists don’t rally.

  75. Last time I checked, religion was a way of thinking not a man with a bomb. Seriously, the causes are poorly made decisions on foreign policy coming back to bite the perpertrators on their ass and the rich, on whom much of the worlds ills can be blamed.

  76. Last time I checked, religion was a way of thinking not a man with a bomb. Seriously, the causes are poorly made decisions on foreign policy coming back to bite the perpertrators on their ass and the rich, on whom much of the worlds ills can be blamed.

    • Unless your religion explicitly endorses warfare, which is the case we’re dealing with in a significant part of the world. As much as the government’s poor foreign policy decisions have gathered lots of ill will, ill will by itself doesn’t create the underlying ideology present in religions that seek out war and encourage it in their never ending struggle against the non-believer.

  77. Anonymous | Jul 20, 2011 at 7:08 pm |

    Unless your religion explicitly endorses warfare, which is the case we’re dealing with in a significant part of the world. As much as the government’s poor foreign policy decisions have gathered lots of ill will, ill will by itself doesn’t create the underlying ideology present in religions that seek out war and encourage it in their never ending struggle against the non-believer.

  78. Bradleystuartjeffrey | Jul 20, 2011 at 8:02 pm |

    no, power was the cause.  Fear was the cause.  hate was the cause.  idiots were the cause.

  79. Bradleystuartjeffrey | Jul 20, 2011 at 4:02 pm |

    no, power was the cause.  Fear was the cause.  hate was the cause.  idiots were the cause.

  80. Anonymous | Jul 21, 2011 at 4:26 am |

    Whatever the cause, people will always look for an excuse to harm each other.

  81. Anonymous | Jul 21, 2011 at 12:26 am |

    Whatever the cause, people will always look for an excuse to harm each other.

  82. Tuna Ghost | Jul 26, 2011 at 6:28 pm |

    Even if you believe the official story, which I do except for the part where nobody knew about the attacks beforehand, religion still isn’t the cause.  

  83. Tuna Ghost | Jul 26, 2011 at 6:33 pm |

    Of course they do, any activist group has rallies.  Barcelona just had some difficulty putting down an atheist march on Easter sunday.  Do some research, guy!

  84. Tuna Ghost | Jul 26, 2011 at 6:37 pm |

    There’s a lively debate in the comments section for the “Richard Gage on Detroit Fox News” article (“lively” in this case meaning Truthers being presented with evidence that counters their growingly absurd claims and ignoring said evidence and accusing the presenters of being scum/unwilling to accept that GASP the US government might not have our best interests at heart/unwilling to believe a man that claims to have proven that Jesus Christ preached to the native tribes of the Americas).  You’re welcome to join.

  85. Actually this event was more politically motivated against Barcelona’s tourist council than anything else.  Besides, I’m an atheist – I really have better things to do than fret over religious research.  …guy!

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