The Norway Massacre Conspiracy Theories Have Begun

Anders Behring BreivikJonathan Kay writes in the National Post:

Well, that didn’t take long. Less than 24 hours after the Norway killings, Alex Jones’ massively-surfed Infowars site already is fronting with the theory that the tragedy was all part of a conspiracy by European elites to deflect populist disgust at bailouts:

The false flag attack in Norway arrives as populism grows in Germany, Europe’s reluctant paymaster for the contrived debt-based economic crisis. Establishment politicians in Germany have balked at a second bankster bailout … The EU and the European political establishment are beholden to the bankers and their “free market” — as in free to loot and plunder neoliberal policies and have now pulled out all the stops in an effort to crush resistance to endless bailouts designed to crash local economies and destroy national sovereignty.

It is no mistake the corporate media is comparing Anders Behring Breivik to Timothy McVeigh. Hours after the terrorist attack, Norway’s public broadcaster NRK cited Tore Bjørgo at the Police College in Oslo who said the attack resembled the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City. The 1995 attack blamed on Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people …

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  • Butter Knife

    “It is no mistake the corporate media is comparing Anders Behring Breivik to Timothy McVeigh”

    No, it is not. Both men shared similar views and beliefs, both men carried out very similar attacks and both men claimed credit for the attacks.

    I’m still looking for an explanation that is in any way more plausible than that McVeigh was responsible for the OKC bombing, or that Breivik committed the Oslo bombing and shooting.Beyond that, for what possible reason would an organization powerful enough and skilled enough to pull off such elaborate operations and effectively blame them on inexplicably complicit patsies and clearly without any compunctions regarding cold-blooded murder allow such suspicions to be voiced? This is always the six million dollar question, folks, and it NEVER gets a real answer. the fact Alex Jones is still alive, that the Loose Change guy is still alive, that ANY of these people are still alive, is pretty compelling evidence against their conspiracy theories.

    • Billlybob
      • Butter Knife

        Awesome show, funny clip.

        Now, was there a point you wanted to make? Maybe you could shed some light on the plausibility of conspiracy theories? Hmm?

        I’ll concede that I’m a bit of a prick, but I am not unreasonable. I have been known to change my mind on a subject when presented with legitimate evidence and sound arguments. So far, I’ve seen very few of these from the conspiracy theorists.

    • Hadrian999

      part of the reason that people see a conspiracy in this and in the OKC is because they don’t want to believe that a single person with very rudimentary knowledge can do something like this, but the fact is it is very easy to do and very hard to stop and you don’t need to be some delta force, navy seal, black ops james bond to do it, it’s a very frightening idea

      • Touchyournose

        or maybe we actually investigate stuff and find out shit doesnt make sense instead of blindly following the government’s accounts on what transpires. wouldnt it be a more frightening idea that a technocratic elite wants to slowly strangle our society until, as their georgia guidestones say loud and clear they only want half a million of us left to rule over so were much easier to manage. (under the false guise of helping the environment. something they could give less than a shit about. they just want to rule. forever.)

        • Hadrian999

          don’t confuse speculation with investigation

          • Touchyournose

            i admit the breviek incident is speculation for now, but it just happened. 9-11 and OKC are not speculation however.

    • Touchyournose

      umm ok first off, the fact someone is alive proves nothing. if you think it does then your grasping of what objective information is is pretty much nonexistent. but since u appear only partially educated ill throw you a bone. any conspiracy protecting an elite requires resources to keep itself going. if you go out and kill every person who disagrees with you you’ll end up being caught really quick. so yeah your biggest point proves jack shit. second, the elite do not care about people the way you or i care about people, they feel they have to sacrifice others for the sake of whatever goal they are going after.

      as for the actual events. OKC initial reports said there were multiple devices present, also just like the pentagon on 9-11 all camera footage that would’ve shown what happened and closed the argument for good is not to be found but existed. in 9-11’s case they went around collecting every tape in the name of national security. OKC was federal buildings so they just hid the footage there since it was there own. the biggest tell in OKC is that a fertilizer bomb in a truck parked outside a building is not going to blow out a chunk of the building in the way that it looks like a shark bit into it, a curved inward section of the building falling, this type of pattern can only happen from charges inside the building.

      ok now we are hearing about how much this guy, brievik had to do with ted kazzinsky and how his manifesto copies a lot of the unabombers manifesto almost word for word. the reason for this is because they were both patsies for the same criminals. how is brievik connected with the same people who used the unabomber as a patsy? did you happen to catch the dhs terrorist video just released three days ago that shows 12 scenarios of terrorists and for some reason not a single one of these 12 terrorists is a minority, they are all white. its bizarre and its very telling given that Oslo happens a day or two after it came out. (if you missed it. here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSCP_OA6m2A), besides that (oh and people on here are saying breivik was an alex jones supporter yeah right! he was pro-israel and had numerous photos of himself in freemasonic. nice grasping straws there.) oh btw if you look at the nationalpost article this is connected to. you’ll notice everyone is attacking jonathan kay for being the big douchebag government bootlicker he is. funny how on disinfo everyone is attacking alex jones, i thought you people were supposed to be smart, i guess this site is just run amuck with government trolls.

      i really dont have to get into 9-11 do i? anyone still believe the governments account of arab ninjas with boxcutters taking over 4 planes over two hours and not a single reaction being taken from our government to thwart them? and how 2 planes take down 3 buildings. how building 7 collapsed at freefall speed around 5pm later that day way after towers 1 and 2? then the owner larry silverstein accidently admitting they pulled the building in the pbs documentary “america remembers”?

      heres for you people who buy the 19 arab ninjas with boxcutters circumventing airline/radar/norad security.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcybE6ODKyg

    • Emails

      Are you aware that Ben Partin, a retired brigadier general in the United States Air Force, has provided every member of Congress a detailed, comprehensive report of his analysis of the April 19, bombing.The general contends the explosion was caused in part by demolition charges placed at critical structural points inside the building and NOT with a fuel fertiliser bomb.  Maybe you should delve deeper into these subjects before spouting silly brainwashed “opinions”

  • Butter Knife

    “It is no mistake the corporate media is comparing Anders Behring Breivik to Timothy McVeigh”

    No, it is not. Both men shared similar views and beliefs, both men carried out very similar attacks and both men claimed credit for the attacks.

    I’m still looking for an explanation that is in any way more plausible than that McVeigh was responsible for the OKC bombing, or that Breivik committed the Oslo bombing and shooting.Beyond that, for what possible reason would an organization powerful enough and skilled enough to pull off such elaborate operations and effectively blame them on inexplicably complicit patsies and clearly without any compunctions regarding cold-blooded murder allow such suspicions to be voiced? This is always the six million dollar question, folks, and it NEVER gets a real answer. the fact Alex Jones is still alive, that the Loose Change guy is still alive, that ANY of these people are still alive, is pretty compelling evidence against their conspiracy theories.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Ok this is one of the reasons cant stand Alex Jones. 

    At one moment in the video in the link up there, theres an interview with someone, where the video zooms in at a random doorframe and plasters the Freemason symbol over it. This door in all likelihood had nothing to do with the guy being interviewed. What is the point of this? Apparently any diamond you see anywhere is actually there because of the freemasons.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCAmUaHDxzE&feature=player_detailpage#t=189s

    Edit: it is possible that this video was compiled by the video poster i thought this was an alex jones mirror. Still despite this… whoever did it is an idiot.

    • Touchyournose

      lol if it was alex jones’s it would’ve said thealexjoneschannel at the top. so it is not possibly compiled by someone else. it is compiled by someone else.

      • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

        yeah I realized that. Oh well :-P

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Ok this is one of the reasons cant stand Alex Jones. 

    At one moment in the video in the link up there, theres an interview with someone, where the video zooms in at a random doorframe and plasters the Freemason symbol over it. This door in all likelihood had nothing to do with the guy being interviewed. What is the point of this? Apparently any diamond you see anywhere is actually there because of the freemasons.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCAmUaHDxzE&feature=player_detailpage#t=189s

  • Billlybob
  • dumbsaint

    Alex Jones should just write alt. history fiction. I mean- in a more formal capacity.

    • Touchyournose

      and you should write dumb shit just like your name implies….oh, wait..

      • dumbsaint

        Surprisingly, you are first person to actually stoop to that level after about 10 years of using this username. Well done champ.

        • Touchyournose

          yeah well i dont diss great patriots who are only tying to cover news the mainstream wont and try to do some good in this country. bravo to you too.

          • Jin The Ninja

            anyone who refers to themselves as a “patriot” obviously has no measure of the brainwashing that is part and parcel to nationalism. and for someone who is continuously  discussing brainwashing by the elite they should know better. nationalism is simply a tool used by those in power to divide and conquer. and weed out the subversives.

          • Touchyournose

            theres a difference between nationalism (which is like following your government and believing all its horseshit.) and patriotism. patriotism just means you hold dear and close to your heart the founding values of your country and what it stood for originally.

            just because they created the patriotic act doesnt mean that by being a patriot now to mean you follow all the lies your government tells you. it depends on your country too but here in the usa, being a patriot means you dissent and go against what you feel is wrong come hell or high water.

          • Jin The Ninja

            no patriotism is the believe in a nation-state as a form of ideology.

            nationalism is an inherent part of that belief.

            “your” country was founded on wholesale genocide of the indigenous pop’n, exploitation of slaves, and protections for the wealthy landowning classes.

          • Touchyournose

            yes of course, but u dont have to get hung up on it. i wear my native american homeland security – fighting terrorism since 1492 all the time. u can call yourself a patriot because u believe in fighting a dictatorial elite and you believe in freedom of speech and stuff like that. doesnt mean you need to support slaughtering of indigenous people. im talking about the ideals on paper our country was founded on and not how our ideals were practiced in reality. i know our forefathers werent perfect, although they were under rule from england so i guess old habits die hard.

          • frankthetank

            Actually the starting of the conflict with the native Americans was by the french and British.  Also the beginning of almost all countries start with similar atrocity’s.

          • Jin The Ninja

            well that was ahistorical enough not to be true.

            and if it were, then what is the exact foundations of the nation-state if not rotten?

          • Miro

            Ninja…
            A hammer is a tool. A screw driver is a tool. “Those in power” are guys that likely as not may believe nationalism is a tool they can use to their advantage, or be viscerally nationalist. In other words just a cool reminder that politics aren’t a separate breed grown on Mars.
            btw TYN’s patriotism is clearly as positive as your rejection of nationalism :)

          • Jin The Ninja

            patriotism is inherently nationalism.

            i see nothing positive about either. and to play semantics…tsk tsk.

          • dumbsaint

            I just found it interesting that it took 10 years is all. I’m not reeling from some kind of blow.
            He’s not a ‘patriot’, he’s doing this for money. Do yourself a favor and stop taking him seriously.

          • Touchyournose

            bla bla bla. your comment is so idiotic, we are all now more stupid because of it. thanks.

            so alex jones didnt sneak into an elitist camp where bizarre sacrificial rituals take place?

            911 wasnt an inside job and we should be scared of arab ninjas with boxcutters.

            oh and white people now too….

            whatever, i think ill choose to stop wasting my life on you instead.

          • Touchyournose

            my comment doesnt seem to apply now. originally ur comment just said “hes just in it for the money. stop taking him seriously.”

  • Anonymous

    Alex Jones should just write alt. history fiction. I mean- in a more formal capacity.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    As if suddenly being conscious of white conservative Christian terrorists instead of brown foreign Muslim terrorists will make people LESS hostile toward white conservative Christian bankers?

    Great logic there, Alex and co. …back to the drawing board…you’ve stretched credulity like taffy before…but this is so far beyond thin that the light from planet thin will take a million years to reach you.

    Of course…it is coming from the same people who still insist that the wealthiest, most powerful individuals in the world…whose fortunes are made on the backs of policies that snuff out liberalism and socialism…are communist/socialist/liberals…so cognitive dissonance really doesn’t register with them anyway.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    As if suddenly being conscious of white conservative Christian terrorists instead of brown foreign Muslim terrorists will make people LESS hostile toward white conservative Christian bankers?

    Great logic there, Alex and co. …back to the drawing board…you’ve stretched credulity like taffy before…but this is so far beyond thin that the light from planet thin will take a million years to reach you.

    Of course…it is coming from the same people who still insist that the wealthiest, most powerful individuals in the world…whose fortunes are made on the backs of policies that snuff out liberalism and socialism…are communist/socialist/liberals…so cognitive dissonance really doesn’t register with them anyway.

  • AC

    Regarding the ABB/McVeigh “connection” only; In his own journal ABB cites McVeigh as a fellow contemporary with probably similar issues in planning a terror attack as this /and of course a role model for his own atrocities/ . I think the similarities comes more from ABBs own account than media drawing the connections (whatever similarities there may be or not be).

  • AC

    Regarding the ABB/McVeigh “connection” only; In his own journal ABB cites McVeigh as a fellow contemporary with probably similar issues in planning a terror attack as this /and of course a role model for his own atrocities/ . I think the similarities comes more from ABBs own account than media drawing the connections (whatever similarities there may be or not be).

  • 5by5

    The shooter is a rightwing white Christian. It doesn’t fit with the meme that conservatives have constructed for themselves that they are always the victims. So clearly, it must be a conspiracy.

    This is the kind of thing I mean when I say, “Not all conspiracy theories are created equal.”

    Some are based in real questions about real gaps in information, and real efforts to obscure the truth on the part of parties interested in protecting either themselves or their organizations, and some such theories are based in the simple denial of an uncomfortable reality staring you right in the face.

    And the uncomfortable reality is that Conservatives commit most terrorism throughout the world. Whether we’re talking about Islamic Conservatives Christian Conservatives, Racist Conservative, or Political Conservatives, the fact of the matter is, they make up the majority of today’s wackjobs who think violence actually solves their problems.

  • 5by5

    The shooter is a rightwing white Christian. It doesn’t fit with the meme that conservatives have constructed for themselves that they are always the victims. So clearly, it must be a conspiracy.

    This is the kind of thing I mean when I say, “Not all conspiracy theories are created equal.”

    Some are based in real questions about real gaps in information, and real efforts to obscure the truth on the part of parties interested in protecting either themselves or their organizations, and some such theories are based in the simple denial of an uncomfortable reality staring you right in the face.

    And the uncomfortable reality is that Conservatives commit most terrorism throughout the world. Whether we’re talking about Islamic Conservatives Christian Conservatives, Racist Conservative, or Political Conservatives, the fact of the matter is, they make up the majority of today’s wackjobs who think violence actually solves their problems.

  • Butter Knife

    Awesome show, funny clip.

    Now, was there a point you wanted to make? Maybe you could shed some light on the plausibility of conspiracy theories? Hmm?

    I’ll concede that I’m a bit of a prick, but I am not unreasonable. I have been known to change my mind on a subject when presented with legitimate evidence and sound arguments. So far, I’ve seen very few of these from the conspiracy theorists.

  • Hadrian999

    part of the reason that people see a conspiracy in this and in the OKC is because they don’t want to believe that a single person with very rudimentary knowledge can do something like this, but the fact is it is very easy to do and very hard to stop and you don’t need to be some delta force, navy seal, black ops james bond to do it, it’s a very frightening idea

  • citizen69

    I’m aware that there most likely have been false flag operations in the past but Alex Jones and his followers see conspiracy around every corner and in every terror event. Sometimes it is just what it seems to be… a psychopathic murdering bas**rd.  

  • citizen69

    I’m aware that there most likely have been false flag operations in the past but Alex Jones and his followers see conspiracy around every corner and in every terror event. Sometimes it is just what it seems to be… a psychopathic murdering bas**rd.  

    • Touchyournose

      dude on his facebook he has a bunch of glamour shots of himself in freemasonic dresses, and combat fatigues and diver equipment along with assault rifles and stuff and when he killed those people he had a police uniform on. where did he get all this stuff?

      also why two days before this did department of homeland security put out a video where in 12 different terrorist scenarios every terrorist is a white guy? seriously not a one is black, asian, muslim, etc. (here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSCP_OA6m2A) then we hear all the similarities between unabomber and this guy (because they were patsies for the same hand controlling them), fertilizer bomb, manifesto is almost verbatim….wouldn’t someone with the conviction to kill all those people want to write something original??? and wouldnt someone with the conviction to kill those people not be taken alive? dont people with a gun and nothing left to lose usually lose everything?

      its not proven yet sure, unlike 9-11 being an inside job, but im getting that similar sensation we’re being lied to again. not to mention the sheer number of people showing up on alternative news websites to troll and tell us to stop asking questions. my favourite is when people say asking questions about what happened disgraces the people who died. lol as if. thats the funniest one imho. if i were killed by an elite who tried the pin the blame on one person to get away unscathed id want people trying to find out the truth of what happened to me.

      • Yith

        “also why two days before this did department of homeland security put
        out a video where in 12 different terrorist scenarios every terrorist is
        a white guy? seriously not a one is black, asian, muslim, etc.”

        Ever hear the word `coincidence’?…  Wanna see another one?  Check out my comment in this posting, which I wrote a day BEFORE Oslo:

        http://www.disinfo.com/2011/07/how-buzz-aldrin-answers-moon-landing-conspiracy-theorists-video/

        We of the IllumInatI are watching you. 

        • Touchyournose

          yeah ive heard of the word, is that the best you can do?i dont care what your comment was and im not reading it. what you post on a forum is a little different than when dhs posts a weird video where only white terrorists are used just two days before this white extremists goes on the worst shooting spree in history along with setting a bomb off. the elite try to steer things and when something big like this happens and a lot of things appear to tie together it becomes obviously less and less a coincidence.

          i guess then that you are a coincidence theorist?

          • Yith

            “… it becomes obviously less and less a coincidence.”

            Obviously.

      • norwegian

        Anyone can make a police uniform… Strippers wear them, don’t they? The freemasonic dress doesn’t really say much – he had a rating 3 out of 10 possible, anyone can join.
        Maybe he just agreed with the original manifesto – he was a fan of several other right wing extremists on the internet. He must have gotten the inspiration from somewhere. And he didn’t kill himself just so he could use the trial and the media to manipulate and get his message through to the whole world: e.g. no country can have more than 20% muslims or be ruled by muslims in any way. He wanted an open hearing at his inprisonment meeting. The victims will get their explaination, but the rest of the world doesn’t need to. I guess their afraid that his views will affect others to do the same – with reason.

        • norwegian

          oh yeah, the video. How many norwegians do you think saw that movie before the attack? Why would the US government put out a video before an attack on the other side of the world? And why would they ask people to notify anything suspicious if they wanted the attack to happen?

          • Touchyournose

            study how these people work and youll figure it out. there is always some type of distraction or spin to make it unbelievable like i said. such as with 911 hitting buildings with planes so people are less apt to suspect bombs actually brought the towers down. the people who run the usa in the shadows are not only in the usa, it crosses borders, there goal after all is a one world government. we in the usa are pretty apt to tear apart any official story to something that happens here. so they release a video over here and then in such a peaceful place where it would be unsuspecting something like this would happen noone would think to point the blame at the same nefarious shadow groups. their propaganda is reinforced and noone is the wiser. well, not noone just the average joe public. they put the video out because if the thing they show is later reinforced by an actual event whether staged or not, it lends credibility to their white al quaeda is going to bomb us ploy. its just one step closer. little baby steps to making us accept their terms and making us fear who they want us to fear and not the real enemy. they want to make mainstream america over here look like the extremists. first it was muslims they wanted their draconian legislation for, now they just need to twist it to make it so it could be anyone.

            the media says it was a police uniform, you dont think that strippers police uniforms are exactly the same thing as the real thing do you? they would have said it was handmade or a knock off but that is not what is being stated. plus where did he get all these other costumes and professionaly done glamour shots of him in different special forces type gear?

            why if he hated muslims did he attack a bunch of well to do people at a summer camp? itd be like if i got so nuts with hatred at the elite that i went into a shopping mall and killed random people. just doesnt make sense. he couldnt have attacked a muslim religious center? why attack a capital building and a bunch of mainly white kids at summer camp?

            no, if you have conviction to do what he did you dont just copy some other guys manifesto verbatim with some words changed here and there, you would get into it and every word would be heartfelt and original. your assumptions dont hold water. i find it much more explainable that the people who concocted this took unabombers manifesto and cut and pasted terms to make it fit his information because thats the easiest, unabomber and breviek both supposedly blew up capital buildings because it wasn’t they who blew it up.

            initial reports from back in okc bombing said there were several devices found and all footage that wouldve shown if he was working alone or who he was with were withheld from the public.

  • Anonymous

    We should be at a point by now, that when the media tells us this guy is real bad and committed atrocities that there may be more to the story, we are never told the truth by the media and we are only given mangled pieces of their statements.  Question authority be a self thinker. 

  • Investinourftre

    We should be at a point by now, that when the media tells us this guy is real bad and committed atrocities that there may be more to the story, we are never told the truth by the media and we are only given mangled pieces of their statements.  Question authority be a self thinker. 

  • Anonymous

    It should be noted that glancing through this guy’s manifesto, I came upon a section which listed a number of URL’s to Infowars articles as supporting references.

    Alex Jones is a planted misinformation agent… I am ever more convinced of it.

  • reubenavery

    It should be noted that glancing through this guy’s manifesto, I came upon a section which listed a number of URL’s to Infowars articles as supporting references.

    Alex Jones is a planted misinformation agent… I am ever more convinced of it.

    • Hadrian999

      that manifesto is some seriously weird stuff it blends left wing right wing and science fiction together.

      • Jin The Ninja

        that does make sense if you consider it’s nazi origins. hitler co opted very populist left wing rhetoric in order to gain power. of course he didn’t mean any of it, but the socialist party was very popular right before he came into power- he saw the very legitimate critiques of socialism on the economy/labour as a way to solidify working class support. he also used aryan pseudo-mysticism which is akin in a way to sci-fi. but at the end of day he was a fascist- and most of his policies reflected that.

    • Touchyournose

      alex jones is a brave soul and obviously has conviction and believes in what he does. he is a great patriot and one of the best truth seekers there is. if he’s wrong its the governments fault anyways, if a plane really hit the pentagon why go around and collect all the footage? wouldn’t you want the evidence that clears your name presented to the public?? oh, well i guess not if it tells a different story than one that proves your innocence. as the government says to us when they search us all the time. “nothing to hide right?”

      • Jin The Ninja

        alex jones is a fatuous wind bag who perpetuates the worst of right-wing propaganda mixed with populist half truths and legitimate issues of governance.

        i am not saying he isn’t right SOME of the time about SOME things, but his predisposition for anti-intellectual rhetoric (i.e. calling chomsky a cia tool for example)  really irks me because it is everything that is wrong with the state of the world. knowledge just doesn’t spontaneously appear because you scream louder than everyone else on the radio. if that were true limbaugh would be a einstein’s intellectual rival.

        • Touchyournose

          i dont know what to think of noam chomsky, i was irked too when he said discussing 9-11 wasnt an important issue. oh no, its only what caused us to throw away our entire economy on bogus wars and bogus security because were afraid of men in caves when we should be afraid of our own military industrial complex. its his own fault for turning people off. makes it seem like he’s just another psuedo intellectual there to get his check for giving his latest lecture on geopolitics.

          • Jin The Ninja

            have you EVER read chomsky? he is the farthest thing from pseudo-intellectual you will ever find. he is one of the greatest scholars and libertarian theorists of our time.

            and the 9/11 thing, i agree with you that he made a mistake, but he is a scholar (of the highest order) not a saint. he recently discussed it again, saying that he believes there is a lot of dis-info and the conclusions of the gov’t make no sense.

          • Touchyournose

            yeah youre right i shouldnt call him psuedo intellectual, he is definitely a real intellectual, i just cant figure out if he is disingenuous though. just like julian assange, saying they dont feel 9-11 is important and appearing to back up the governments tale of what happened really hurts their cred in the alternative media. i dont know what to think of him

          • Touchyournose

            ive seen some of his documentaries and he used to be on freespeech tv on dish network which was my first big exposure to politics and i saw a lot of him on there. havent read much of his stuff. sean kennedy is a big fan of his though, ever heard of him? he’s a great guy and had an awesome radio show called newsreal and he’d always talk about how great he was. check him out at

            http://www.rantmedia.ca.

            unfortunately he stopped making his show after the 500th episode and hasnt posted online yet since april. i miss the guy. his and ajs shows were the perfect mix to jump back and forth from.

          • The Doctor

            you think if there was something being hidden WikiLeaks couldnt find it…

          • Bob

            Believing the official 911 myth is the first hint that this guy may not be as wonderful and honest as you think. 

          • Jin The Ninja

            no, he is.

            greatest living libertarian scholar.

            i’ll stick to that assessment.

        • Fakeemail

          Yes but his overall premise is correct.  The idea of shadow governments running the show, puppet politicians, bank scams, false flag terror is all correct.  That alone is enough for me.  You should read some of the elites own writings and books I.E Aldus Huxley’s (historian for the CFR) brave new world

          • Jin The Ninja

            Aldous Huxley was not the historian for the CFR.

            and of course i’ve read it- i am a SCIENCE FICTION nerd.

  • Hadrian999

    that manifesto is some seriously weird stuff it blends left wing right wing and science fiction together.

  • Anonymous

    it also should be noted that the National Post, is considered by many cdns to be a right-wing rag in the same vein as as the Telegraph, The WaPo, and the Wall Street journal.

    Their “journalism” is of the murdoch school.

  • Anonymous

    it also should be noted that the National Post, is considered by many cdns to be a right-wing rag in the same vein as as the Telegraph, The WaPo, and the Wall Street journal.

    Their “journalism” is of the murdoch school.

  • Anonymous

    it also should be noted that the National Post, is considered by many cdns to be a right-wing rag in the same vein as as the Telegraph, The WaPo, and the Wall Street journal.

    Their “journalism” is of the murdoch school.

  • Jin The Ninja

    it also should be noted that the National Post, is considered by many cdns to be a right-wing rag in the same vein as as the Telegraph, The WaPo, and the Wall Street journal.

    Their “journalism” is of the murdoch school.

    • Touchyournose

      all the responses on the national post website are calling jonathan kay (professional authoritarian bootlicker extraordinaire) a tool. check it out. lol.

      • Jin The Ninja

        while i agree that anyone willing to shill for the nat’l post is a tool/bootlicker, the people who read that substandard toilet paper are the same ones who voted for mr. bush-north himself, steve harper.

        • Touchyournose

          the jonathan kay article was on infowars.com and the site was getting so much traffic they turned off comments and the site kept coming up with errors so i think most of the responses are people visiting through infowars. due to the title of his book being all about explaining 911 truthers as being simply over imaginitive probably drew their ire. i am no bush fan or obama fan….you probably can guess that though. lol.

  • Touchyournose

    umm ok first off, the fact someone is alive proves nothing. if you think it does then your grasping of what objective information is is pretty much nonexistent. but since u appear only partially educated ill throw you a bone. any conspiracy protecting an elite requires resources to keep itself going. if you go out and kill every person who disagrees with you you’ll end up being caught really quick. so yeah your biggest point proves jack shit. second, the elite do not care about people the way you or i care about people, they feel they have to sacrifice others for the sake of whatever goal they are going after.

    as for the actual events. OKC initial reports said there were multiple devices present, also just like the pentagon on 9-11 all camera footage that would’ve shown what happened and closed the argument for good is not to be found but existed. in 9-11’s case they went around collecting every tape in the name of national security. OKC was federal buildings so they just hid the footage there since it was there own. the biggest tell in OKC is that a fertilizer bomb in a truck parked outside a building is not going to blow out a chunk of the building in the way that it looks like a shark bit into it, a curved inward section of the building falling, this type of pattern can only happen from charges inside the building.

    ok now we are hearing about how much this guy, brievik had to do with ted kazzinsky and how his manifesto copies a lot of the unabombers manifesto almost word for word. the reason for this is because they were both patsies for the same criminals. how is brievik connected with the same people who used the unabomber as a patsy? did you happen to catch the dhs terrorist video just released three days ago that shows 12 scenarios of terrorists and for some reason not a single one of these 12 terrorists is a minority, they are all white. its bizarre and its very telling given that Oslo happens a day or two after it came out. (if you missed it. here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSCP_OA6m2A), besides that (oh and people on here are saying breivik was an alex jones supporter yeah right! he was pro-israel and had numerous photos of himself in freemasonic. nice grasping straws there.) oh btw if you look at the nationalpost article this is connected to. you’ll notice everyone is attacking jonathan kay for being the big douchebag government bootlicker he is. funny how on disinfo everyone is attacking alex jones, i thought you people were supposed to be smart, i guess this site is just run amuck with government trolls.

    i really dont have to get into 9-11 do i? anyone still believe the governments account of arab ninjas with boxcutters taking over 4 planes over two hours and not a single reaction being taken from our government to thwart them? and how 2 planes take down 3 buildings. how building 7 collapsed at freefall speed around 5pm later that day way after towers 1 and 2? then the owner larry silverstein accidently admitting they pulled the building in the pbs documentary “america remembers”?

    heres for you people who buy the 19 arab ninjas with boxcutters circumventing airline/radar/norad security.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcybE6ODKyg

  • Touchyournose

    or maybe we actually investigate stuff and find out shit doesnt make sense instead of blindly following the government’s accounts on what transpires. wouldnt it be a more frightening idea that a technocratic elite wants to slowly strangle our society until, as their georgia guidestones say loud and clear they only want half a million of us left to rule over so were much easier to manage. (under the false guise of helping the environment. something they could give less than a shit about. they just want to rule. forever.)

  • Touchyournose

    alex jones is a brave soul and obviously has conviction and believes in what he does. he is a great patriot and one of the best truth seekers there is. if he’s wrong its the governments fault anyways, if a plane really hit the pentagon why go around and collect all the footage? wouldn’t you want the evidence that clears your name presented to the public?? oh, well i guess not if it tells a different story than one that proves your innocence. as the government says to us when they search us all the time. “nothing to hide right?”

  • Anonymous

    alex jones is a fatuous wind bag who perpetuates the worst of right-wing propaghanda mixed with populist half truths and legitimate issues of governance.

    i am not saying he isn’t right SOME of the time about SOME things, but his predisposition for anti-intellectual rhetoric (i.e. calling chomsky a cia tool for example)  really irk me because it is everything that is wrong with the state of the world. knowledge just doesn’t spontaneously appear because you scream louder than everyone else on the radio. if that were true limbaugh would be a einstein’s intellectual rival.

  • Touchyournose

    dude on his facebook he has a bunch of glamour shots of himself in freemasonic dresses, and combat fatigues and diver equipment along with assault rifles and stuff and when he killed those people he had a police uniform on. where did he get all this stuff?

    also why two days before this did department of homeland security put out a video where in 12 different terrorist scenarios every terrorist is a white guy? seriously not a one is black, asian, muslim, etc. (here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSCP_OA6m2A) then we hear all the similarities between unabomber and this guy (because they were patsies for the same hand controlling them), fertilizer bomb, manifesto is almost verbatim….wouldn’t someone with the conviction to kill all those people want to write something original??? and wouldnt someone with the conviction to kill those people not be taken alive? dont people with a gun and nothing left to lose usually lose everything?

    its not proven yet sure, unlike 9-11 being an inside job, but im getting that similar sensation we’re being lied to again. not to mention the sheer number of people showing up on alternative news websites to troll and tell us to stop asking questions. my favourite is when people say asking questions about what happened disgraces the people who died. lol as if. thats the funniest one imho. if i were killed by an elite who tried the pin the blame on one person to get away unscathed id want people trying to find out the truth of what happened to me.

  • Touchyournose

    i dont know what to think of noam chomsky, i was irked too when he said discussing 9-11 wasnt an important issue. oh no, its only what caused us to throw away our entire economy on bogus wars and bogus security because were afraid of men in caves when we should be afraid of our own military industrial complex. its his own fault for turning people off. makes it seem like he’s just another psuedo intellectual there to get his check for giving his latest lecture on geopolitics.

  • Touchyournose

    released 3 days ago, its the department of homeland securities “see something, say something” video featuring only white terrorists. 12 of them to be exact. kinda eerie isnt it?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSCP_OA6m2A

  • Touchyournose

    released 3 days ago, its the department of homeland securities “see something, say something” video featuring only white terrorists. 12 of them to be exact. kinda eerie isnt it?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSCP_OA6m2A

  • Touchyournose

    and you should write dumb shit just like your name implies….oh, wait..

  • Touchyournose

    all the responses on the national post website are calling jonathan kay (professional authoritarian bootlicker extraordinaire) a tool. check it out. lol.

  • Hadrian999

    don’t confuse speculation with investigation

  • Touchyournose

    i admit the breviek incident is speculation for now, but it just happened. 9-11 and OKC are not speculation however.

  • Touchyournose

    lol if it was alex jones’s it would’ve said thealexjoneschannel at the top. so it is not possibly compiled by someone else. it is compiled by someone else.

  • Anonymous

    have you EVER read chomsky? he is the farthest thing from pseudo-intellectual you will ever find. he is one of the greatest scholars and libertarian theorists of our time.

    and the 9/11 thing, i agree with you that he made a mistake, but he is a scholar (of the highest order) not a saint. he recently discussed it again, saying that he believes there is a lot of dis-info and the conclusions of the gov’t make no sense.

  • Anonymous

    while i agree that anyone willing to shill for the nat’l post is a tool/bootlicker, the people who read that substandard toilet paper are the same ones who voted for mr. bush-north himself, steve harper.

  • Touchyournose

    yeah youre right i shouldnt call him psuedo intellectual, he is definitely a real intellectual, i just cant figure out if he is disingenuous though. just like julian assange, saying they dont feel 9-11 is important and appearing to back up the governments tale of what happened really hurts their cred in the alternative media. i dont know what to think of him

  • Anonymous

    i dont think you can legitimately accuse noam or julian of backing the gov’t. they can venture from the borders of accepted discourse only so far. i think they fear looking like alex jones, who doesnt have any intellectual street cred for reasons i posted above.

  • Jin The Ninja

    i dont think you can legitimately accuse noam or julian of backing the gov’t. they can venture from the borders of accepted discourse only so far. i think they fear looking like alex jones, who doesnt have any intellectual street cred for reasons i posted above.

    • Touchyournose

      so having the most listened to radio show in the country, doing it for over 15 years and making 17 very lengthy documentaries doesnt make someone intellectual? thats just ur opinion. i beg to differ. the fact noam and assange dont want to tackle such an important issue when their expertise is politics just makes them a pussy in my view. (assange i think could just totally be cointelpro. as not only did he say “we should focus on real conspiracies and not 9-11″, but he avoided releasing information on israel and the more damning stuff he had obtained because he said he wanted to do the material justice and not release all at once, but thats a lie. now wether it was planned by his handlers or if its a bartering chip for his current legal problems i dont know….although i dont think he was in legal problems at the time he started releasing the cables so i dunno, i dont trust him.)

      • Touchyournose

        noone should fear looking like alex jones. youre just calling a spade a spade. buildings dont fall like that and in building 7’s case they most definitely do not fall like that without being hit be a plane. isaac newtons law of falling bodies says that a building has resistance and it cannot fall through the air the same way a brick would. if u were on top of towers 1 and 2 and building 7 and dropped a brick when they all began clollapsing the brick would hit the ground at the time the buildings had finished collapsing. the fact they collapsed in near freefall is only possible if something from the bottom to the top were all cut at the same time. it would be impossible for it to fall into its own footprint too.

        • Jin The Ninja

          while i wholly appreciate and subscribe to several conspiracy theories, alex jones doesn’t even use logic in disseminating them. when he applies his judeo-christian pseudo-mysticism i cringe. Not only because much of the stuff he says are outright falsehoods, but because it doesn’t even match with renegade scholarship on the subject. You can’t use satanic conspiracy as a framework for modern geo-politics. His documentaries are average to complete miss. They lack so much critical info that they aren’t worth watching.
          He hates intellectuals, he hates anyone who disagrees with his worldview. Like i said he is not wrong 100% of the time, but he takes his conclusions to the outer reaches of rationality (even for conspiracy).

          • Touchyournose

            alex runs a news program, its obvious you are so turned off by him for whatever reason that you dont even watch his stuff or listen to his radio show so youre really just assuming. if ud actually listened to his show u would know that he never brings his personal religion into the mix, he runs a news program and doesnt go into his religion at all, sometimes crazy nuts call into his show and talk about christian stuff but he never does.

            so u dont believe that our leaders follow satanism? i dont know what it is, but do you know alex jones suck into bohemian grove back in 2000 and released the first video ever showing what goes on inside a camp where thousands upon thousands of the biggest leaders in american politics and business show up and perform sacrifices of pretend effiges in front of a large stown owl? this is a place where henry kissinger, shwarzenegger, the bushes and many many more all go to, its all secret and every year they perform a cremation of care sacrificial ritual. if u and i have a party and theres any drugs involved or minors drinking we get raided, but here they are allowed to do whatever they want and have gay sex with minors and have bizarre rituals and noone is even there assuring us what goes on is legal.

            look up dark secrets:inside bohemian grove if u dont believe me. so dont attack alex for concluding satanists run politics, he’s only telling us where the evidence leads his conclusions.

          • Touchyournose

            the stone owl has a name too and its the same name as is mentioned in the bible under leviticus, its written that people used to sacrifice people to this statue for real, children sacrifices. who knows if everything at the grove is pretend too, they could be doing real sacrifices we dont know since there is no oversight. must be nice to be the elite and get away with everything. too bad they couldnt try being decent people. they might just actually like it if they tried.

            i am by no means a bible thumper either, i cant stand christianitys plague on this world (in my opinion), but whatever i believe doesnt matter. these elitists believe this stuff.

          • Jin The Ninja

            If you don’t believe in Xtianity, then why do you BELIEVE in applying a judeo-christianth framework to something that is obviously NOT judeo-christian? simple logic.

          • Jin The Ninja

            I have actually watched many (unfortunately) alex jones documentaries, and i’ve listened to several of his radio shows after broadcast. Satanism only works as a framework for modern politics if you have no understanding of the anthropology of religion or the evolution of religion. You cannot apply judeo-christian thinking of good vs evil to something way beyond the scope of mainstream biblical Christianity.
            This something people like pat roberts does all the time. And contextually it makes NO sense.

          • Touchyournose

            did u read my post below?? have u heard of bohemian grove or seen any of the footage that has escaped that place? the elite do gather together once a year or more to do pretend sacrifices (we think they’re pretend) to a 40 ft stone owl. they carry torches and wear cloaks, they chant and then set the wooden pretend sacrifices on fire and then pyrotechnics go off.

          • Jin The Ninja

            that’s not satanism. i am not defending in any way bohemian grove or satanism, but satanism a la alex jones refers to judeo-christian subversive practices.

            if you are not an x’tian, you should have a serious problem with applying american evangelical thinking to something that is obviously much older.

            of course i know what BH is, they even covered it in the MSM this year.

            And i believe shit goes on, but i don’t thinking labeling it “satanism” and screaming about the anti christ (alex jones) does ANYTHING to measure or assess it.

          • Touchyournose

            i dont know what it is. noone knows what it is because its so secret. calling it satanism is just a simple way of explaining it, and the same thing they do is mentioned in the bible. so hes just describing it as best he can. but he never brings his religious views into his show. he dwells on facts and documents. he always leaves his religious views at home.

            unless if its something like where it was leaked that thousands of preachers were contacted by homeland security to convince them to tell their followers in their sermons  to give up their guns and do what government tells you in an emergency even if it goes against ur rights.

            alex never screams about the anti christ, you’re making shit up. as u said u cant stand his stuff and choose not to watch or listen to it, so its obvious youre just making stuff up right now.

          • Jin The Ninja

            okay my friend: youtube: alex jones anti christ.

            literally hundreds of links of him (his voice) discussing it.

          • Touchyournose

            well i dont need to get everything from youtube videos because as ive said he does a lot of shows so it wouldnt be hard for people to take snippets and so see see look at what he said. ive been listening since 2003 and sometimes i go months without listening sometimes i listen to the whole show a few times a week, it depends but ive listened to his show for a long time and he never brings up anti christs or churches (unless hes telling u about how some churches are fakes and how you shouldnt go to them because they just want to use religion to teach you to be subserviant….not that i think theres any other thing religion does but i digress.), if theres clips of him talking about his religion its only because some religious nut calls in and makes him answer biblical questions, he answers the guy on a personal level and then when the caller hangs up he goes right back to the news. so if u actually listen to his show instead of looking for youtube clips that just make him look silly, you’ll see he only discusses the news. its the callers that bring up the biblical insanity.

            he always says that even if youre an atheist you should be concerned about this stuff not because u should believe for or against it, but because the elite do believe this stuff. he says it over and over and over again that he brings it up because its what they do. not because its part of his personal crusade against satanism. its because we all should be concerned about a psychopathic elite that does this sort of crap.

          • Jin The Ninja

            Well i am concerned about the behavior of the “elites” , our relationships to each other, to nature, to capitalism.

            I am not an atheist, which it why i have such contention with alex jones’ interpretation of the world.

          • Touchyournose

            im not an atheist either, ive seen ufos tho and there was no mistaking what i saw because it was simply so close and unexplainable and something no earth technology could do…unless our government can make floating silent 10 ft in diameter force field/plasma fireballs u can see through. they were no higher than 500 ft from the ground and flew right over my head and a couple other people saw them too. they were going about 40 mph and there were seven of them in a single file line spaced about 100 ft apart from one another. so i know there is a truth out there crazier than any human mind can conceive.

          • Touchyournose

            how many is many? i would say his best film, the one that woke me up was martial law 9-11 rise of the police state (which is hundreds of times better than the one that gets so much attention for some reason, loose change) but he has about 18 films now and his radio show is four hours long sunday-friday for the past  15,16 years. so to say youve only listened to several shows, but know he talks about the anti christ and going to church all the time shows you haven’t listened to many at all because he never does that.

  • Touchyournose

    ive seen some of his documentaries and he used to be on freespeech tv on dish network which was my first big exposure to politics and i saw a lot of him on there. havent read much of his stuff. sean kennedy is a big fan of his though, ever heard of him? he’s a great guy and had an awesome radio show called newsreal and he’d always talk about how great he was. check him out at

    http://www.rantmedia.ca.

    unfortunately he stopped making his show after the 500th episode and hasnt posted online yet since april. i miss the guy. his and ajs shows were the perfect mix to jump back and forth from.

  • Anonymous

    that does make sense if you consider it’s nazi origins. hitler co opted very populist left wing rhetoric in order to gain power. of course he didn’t mean any of it, but the socialist party was very popular right before he came into power- he saw the very legitimate critiques of socialism on the economy/labour as a way to solidify working class support. he also used aryan pseudo-mysticism which is akin in a way to sci-fi. but at the end of day he was a fascist- and most of his policies reflected that.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    yeah I realized that. Oh well :-P

  • Touchyournose

    so having the most listened to radio show in the country, doing it for over 15 years and making 17 very lengthy documentaries doesnt make someone intellectual? thats just ur opinion. i beg to differ. the fact noam and assange dont want to tackle such an important issue when their expertise is politics just makes them a pussy in my view. (assange i think could just totally be cointelpro. as not only did he say “we should focus on real conspiracies and not 9-11″, but he avoided releasing information on israel and the more damning stuff he had obtained because he said he wanted to do the material justice and not release all at once, but thats a lie. now wether it was planned by his handlers or if its a bartering chip for his current legal problems i dont know….although i dont think he was in legal problems at the time he started releasing the cables so i dunno, i dont trust him.)

  • Touchyournose

    noone should fear looking like alex jones. youre just calling a spade a spade. buildings dont fall like that and in building 7’s case they most definitely do not fall like that without being hit be a plane. isaac newtons law of falling bodies says that a building has resistance and it cannot fall through the air the same way a brick would. if u were on top of towers 1 and 2 and building 7 and dropped a brick when they all began clollapsing the brick would hit the ground at the time the buildings had finished collapsing. the fact they collapsed in near freefall is only possible if something from the bottom to the top were all cut at the same time. it would be impossible for it to fall into its own footprint too.

  • Touchyournose

    the jonathan kay article was on infowars.com and the site was getting so much traffic they turned off comments and the site kept coming up with errors so i think most of the responses are people visiting through infowars. due to the title of his book being all about explaining 911 truthers as being simply over imaginitive probably drew their ire. i am no bush fan or obama fan….you probably can guess that though. lol.

  • Anonymous

    while i wholly appreciate and subscribe to several conspiracy theories, alex jones doesn’t even use logic in disseminating them. when he applies his judeo-christian pseudo-mysticism i cringe. Not only because much of the stuff he says are outright falsehoods, but because it doesn’t even match with renegade scholarship on the subject. You can’t use satanic conspiracy as a framework for modern geo-politics. His documentaries are average to complete miss. They lack so much critical info that they aren’t worth watching.
    He hates intellectuals, he hates anyone who disagrees with his worldview. Like i said he is not wrong 100% of the time, but he takes his conclusions to the outer reaches of rationality (even for conspiracy).

  • Yith

    “also why two days before this did department of homeland security put
    out a video where in 12 different terrorist scenarios every terrorist is
    a white guy? seriously not a one is black, asian, muslim, etc.”

    Ever hear the word `coincidence’?…  Wanna see another one?  Check out my comment in this posting, which I wrote a day BEFORE Oslo:

    http://disinfo.com/2011/07/how-buzz-aldrin-answers-moon-landing-conspiracy-theorists-video/

    We of the IllumInatI are watching you. 

  • Anonymous

    Surprisingly, you are first person to actually stoop to that level after about 10 years of using this username. Well done champ.

  • Emails

    Are you aware that Ben Partin, a retired brigadier general in the United States Air Force, has provided every member of Congress a detailed, comprehensive report of his analysis of the April 19, bombing.The general contends the explosion was caused in part by demolition charges placed at critical structural points inside the building and NOT with a fuel fertiliser bomb.  Maybe you should delve deeper into these subjects before spouting silly brainwashed “opinions”

  • Fakeemail

    Yes but his overall premise is correct.  The idea of shadow governments running the show, puppet politicians, bank scams, false flag terror is all correct.  That alone is enough for me.  You should read some of the elites own writings and books I.E Aldus Huxley’s (historian for the CFR) brave new world

  • Bob

    Believing the official 911 myth is the first hint that this guy may not be as wonderful and honest as you think. 

  • norwegian

    Anyone can make a police uniform… Strippers wear them, don’t they? The freemasonic dress doesn’t really say much – he had a rating 3 out of 10 possible, anyone can join.
    Maybe he just agreed with the original manifesto – he was a fan of several other right wing extremists on the internet. He must have gotten the inspiration from somewhere. And he didn’t kill himself just so he could use the trial and the media to manipulate and get his message through to the whole world: e.g. no country can have more than 20% muslims or be ruled by muslims in any way. He wanted an open hearing at his inprisonment meeting. The victims will get their explaination, but the rest of the world doesn’t need to. I guess their afraid that his views will affect others to do the same – with reason.

  • norwegian

    oh yeah, the video. How many norwegians do you think saw that movie before the attack? Why would the US government put out a video before an attack on the other side of the world? And why would they ask people to notify anything suspicious if they wanted the attack to happen?

  • Anonymous

    Aldous Huxley was not the historian for the CFR.

    and of course i’ve read it- i am a SCIENCE FICTION nerd.

  • Anonymous

    no, he is.

    greatest living libertarian scholar.

    i’ll stick to that assessment.

  • Touchyournose

    yeah well i dont diss great patriots who are only tying to cover news the mainstream wont and try to do some good in this country. bravo to you too.

  • Touchyournose

    study how these people work and youll figure it out. there is always some type of distraction or spin to make it unbelievable like i said. such as with 911 hitting buildings with planes so people are less apt to suspect bombs actually brought the towers down. the people who run the usa in the shadows are not only in the usa, it crosses borders, there goal after all is a one world government. we in the usa are pretty apt to tear apart any official story to something that happens here. so they release a video over here and then in such a peaceful place where it would be unsuspecting something like this would happen noone would think to point the blame at the same nefarious shadow groups. their propaganda is reinforced and noone is the wiser. well, not noone just the average joe public. they put the video out because if the thing they show is later reinforced by an actual event whether staged or not, it lends credibility to their white al quaeda is going to bomb us ploy. its just one step closer. little baby steps to making us accept their terms and making us fear who they want us to fear and not the real enemy. they want to make mainstream america over here look like the extremists. first it was muslims they wanted their draconian legislation for, now they just need to twist it to make it so it could be anyone.

    the media says it was a police uniform, you dont think that strippers police uniforms are exactly the same thing as the real thing do you? they would have said it was handmade or a knock off but that is not what is being stated. plus where did he get all these other costumes and professionaly done glamour shots of him in different special forces type gear?

    why if he hated muslims did he attack a bunch of well to do people at a summer camp? itd be like if i got so nuts with hatred at the elite that i went into a shopping mall and killed random people. just doesnt make sense. he couldnt have attacked a muslim religious center? why attack a capital building and a bunch of mainly white kids at summer camp?

    no, if you have conviction to do what he did you dont just copy some other guys manifesto verbatim with some words changed here and there, you would get into it and every word would be heartfelt and original. your assumptions dont hold water. i find it much more explainable that the people who concocted this took unabombers manifesto and cut and pasted terms to make it fit his information because thats the easiest, unabomber and breviek both supposedly blew up capital buildings because it wasn’t they who blew it up.

    initial reports from back in okc bombing said there were several devices found and all footage that wouldve shown if he was working alone or who he was with were withheld from the public.

  • Touchyournose

    yeah ive heard of the word, is that the best you can do?i dont care what your comment was and im not reading it. what you post on a forum is a little different than when dhs posts a weird video where only white terrorists are used just two days before this white extremists goes on the worst shooting spree in history along with setting a bomb off. the elite try to steer things and when something big like this happens and a lot of things appear to tie together it becomes obviously less and less a coincidence.

    i guess then that you are a coincidence theorist?

  • Touchyournose

    alex runs a news program, its obvious you are so turned off by him for whatever reason that you dont even watch his stuff or listen to his radio show so youre really just assuming. if ud actually listened to his show u would know that he never brings his personal religion into the mix, he runs a news program and doesnt go into his religion at all, sometimes crazy nuts call into his show and talk about christian stuff but he never does.

    so u dont believe that our leaders follow satanism? i dont know what it is, but do you know alex jones suck into bohemian grove back in 2000 and released the first video ever showing what goes on inside a camp where thousands upon thousands of the biggest leaders in american politics and business show up and perform sacrifices of pretend effiges in front of a large stown owl? this is a place where henry kissinger, shwarzenegger, the bushes and many many more all go to, its all secret and every year they perform a cremation of care sacrificial ritual. if u and i have a party and theres any drugs involved or minors drinking we get raided, but here they are allowed to do whatever they want and have gay sex with minors and have bizarre rituals and noone is even there assuring us what goes on is legal.

    look up dark secrets:inside bohemian grove if u dont believe me. so dont attack alex for concluding satanists run politics, he’s only telling us where the evidence leads his conclusions.

  • Touchyournose

    the stone owl has a name too and its the same name as is mentioned in the bible under leviticus, its written that people used to sacrifice people to this statue for real, children sacrifices. who knows if everything at the grove is pretend too, they could be doing real sacrifices we dont know since there is no oversight. must be nice to be the elite and get away with everything. too bad they couldnt try being decent people. they might just actually like it if they tried.

    i am by no means a bible thumper either, i cant stand christianitys plague on this world (in my opinion), but whatever i believe doesnt matter. these elitists believe this stuff.

  • Anonymous

    I have actually watched many (unfortunately) alex jones documentaries, and i’ve listened to several of his radio shows after broadcast. Satanism only works as a framework for modern politics if you have no understanding of the anthropology of religion or the evolution of religion. You cannot apply judeo-christian thinking of good vs evil to something way beyond the scope of mainstream biblical Christianity.
    This something people like pat roberts does all the time. And contextually it makes NO sense.

  • Anonymous

    If you don’t believe in Xtianity, then why do you BELIEVE in applying a judeo-christianth framework to something that is obviously NOT judeo-christian? simple logic.

  • Yith

    “… it becomes obviously less and less a coincidence.”

    Obviously.

  • Touchyournose

    did u read my post below?? have u heard of bohemian grove or seen any of the footage that has escaped that place? the elite do gather together once a year or more to do pretend sacrifices (we think they’re pretend) to a 40 ft stone owl. they carry torches and wear cloaks, they chant and then set the wooden pretend sacrifices on fire and then pyrotechnics go off.

  • Anonymous

    that’s not satanism. i am not defending in any way bohemian grove or satanism, but satanism a la alex jones refers to judeo-christian subversive practices.

    if you are not an x’tian, you should have a serious problem with applying american evangelical thinking to something that is obviously much older.

    of course i know what BH is, they even covered it in the MSM this year.

    And i believe shit goes on, but i don’t thinking labeling it “satanism” and screaming about the anti christ (alex jones) does ANYTHING to measure or assess it.

  • Touchyournose

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dHhvpHIjM

    i dont believe in satanism or jesus stuff, but the elite do get together to perform dark rituals every year, and have done so in secet for over 150 years and wasnt revealed until hidden footage came out in 2000. thanks to alex jones sneaking in. one of the hundreds of reasons hes a hero.

  • Touchyournose

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dHhvpHIjM

    i dont believe in satanism or jesus stuff, but the elite do get together to perform dark rituals every year, and have done so in secet for over 150 years and wasnt revealed until hidden footage came out in 2000. thanks to alex jones sneaking in. one of the hundreds of reasons hes a hero.

    • Jin The Ninja

      He’s not a hero. he’s a raving douche that uses paleo-conservatism to masque his ignorance.

      like i said, i know shit goes on, but i am smart enough to know not to feign understanding of it.

      • Touchyournose

        what have you ever done to uncover anything important? have u snuck into an elitist camp that had never had video surface out of it in its over 150 years of existance? to call him a douche? what does that make you? do u have a radio show or make documentaries trying to expose things the mainstream wont? i doubt it.

        its ot about understanding it, its that we are a government of for and by the people. and for our politicians to all say theyre good christians when in secret they masterbate in coffins to enter skull and bones and do all these rituals is lying and misleading to the public. period.

        • Jin The Ninja

          two words:

          Amy Goodman.

          real journalism.

          real facts. real issues.

          • Touchyournose

            yeah i watched freespeechtv when i was like 15. they are controlled opposition though. i dont see her doing anything anywhere near as important as alex jones. it seems all you want to do is point people to a bunch of wind bags with nothing important to say. neither amy goodman or noam chomsky have done anything but try to damage credibility of those asking questions about false flag government sponsored terror. one of the most important issues of our time.

            so u poo poo the people who really try to dig deep into controversial stuff, but love to highlight and talk about old wind bags who haven’t done anything important in like 10 years.

            alex makes tons of documentaries and runs a radio show every day, all noam and amy do is go up and discuss who farted and who smelled it. it was ok watching lame stuff like that when i was 15 like i said tho.

          • Jin The Ninja

            I didn’t say watch democracy now to inform you of everything in your life. It is the BEST news source. period. unless you wake up to alex jones and his brand of dis info you will never know the truth.

          • Touchyournose

            hah. alex jones covers stuff those talking heads never do. i used to watch it but then i found out i wasnt really finding out anything important because i found alex jones and the stuff he said that is true that you could confirm would never get covered by them.

            democracy now is a suspect phrase too given that we are a democratic republic. all they tell you to do is get this puppet in charge and everything will be better. when has amy goodman ever done anything to inform people 911 is an inside job? let me guess. you dont feel thats important either.

            “Go back to sleep, America. Everything is under control. Here’s ‘American Gladiators’. Here’s 200 channels of it. Watch this. Shut up. Watch these two overactive pituitary retards beat eachother to a pulp and celebrate you for living in the land of the free. You are free to do what we tell you to! You are free to do what we tell you to!”

            — Bill Hicks

          • Jin The Ninja

            probably around 75-80 percent of what alex jones says is not confirmable by an outside. he mixes truths with fictions and winds together an incomplete and irraTIONAL narrative. you seem to love him so much, but didn’t seem to know that he talks about the anti christ frequently.
            you seem averse to even looking it up. typical i guess, since alex jones is the exact same way.

          • Touchyournose

            no you misunderstand, i have listened to him plenty so i dont need to go through someones youtube posts. i said yes he talks about religion but only when someone else brings it up. he runs a news show and leaves his personal stuff at home. ive listened plenty and never heard him go off on his own about stuff like that. ive heard him say things like it when others bring it up but i cant help it if the guy talks about how he feels personally on air, so all that is supposed to distract me from all he’s done and go running to government approved opposition of amy goodman and noam chomsky? i dont think so.

            glenn beck is to the right what those two are to the left. just two people who wont talk about anything controversial but will give you just enough to keep paying attention. when have they ever talked about flase flag terror? i watched freespeechtv for about 3-4 years after 2001 and never heard them mention 911 being an inside job once. it was by luck i stumbled on martial law 9-11 and the rise of the police state. after finding alex jones i kept watching thinking they’d cover something about it. NOPE! not flouride or chemtrails either. in fact ive mentioned plenty alex jones has done. tell me something important either of them have ever covered? all they do is try to make the idea of our government being out of control seem complicated but its not. these elitist assholes just want to dictate to us how to live our lives and continue recieving hand scraps from the table meanwhile they sit on technologies that could free our planet from pollution and energy needs.

            hell if i have any problem with alex it isnt he talks about christianity and im a very very anti religious person but its that he never talks about ufos and the et presence because it “cant be proven”, which is bullshit. show me another plausible explanation for crop circles and sightings. and ive seen them so i KNOW there is no other explanation.

          • Jin The Ninja

            9/11  is a single (albeit major) issue. You cannot base your judgement on single issue. You have to base it  on the canon of work. I base my critique of jones, on his overall tone, ideology, and  actions.

            You cannot seriously be comparing glenn the nutcase with noam and amy. Fox News is not the same as free speech tv and livestream . Ridiculous.

            The left has no messiah. I think that’s why i dislike alex jones and his followers.

          • Jin The Ninja

            And i also should have added, democracy now almost daily has covered the rise of the american police state since 9-11. They have also perhaps hundreds of shows about water quality, industrial pollution and the environment.

            I would say those issues are VASTLY more legitimate than the sh*t alex jones spews on a daily basis.

            15 yr old kids don’t know sh*t, i sure as hell didn’t at 15. i ask you to revisit DN and get some facts, which stand in strong contrast to hysterics and histronics.

          • Touchyournose

            like i said i enjoyed it when i was 15 and didnt know as much as i do now. im almost 30 now and to listen to them make a big stink about shit that doesnt matter when we are being forced drugged in our water and food and soft killed with chemtrails and all they want to do is pretend to be anti-war so that they get more viewers. no thanks. they can keep their lamestream programming.

          • Touchyournose

            you forgot two.

            real boring. real pointless.

          • Jin The Ninja

            i watch submedia.tv also and listen to coast2coast am,  so i don’t exist in a solely progressive media bubble.however there is a huge disparity between alex jones a known paleo-conservative and radical left progressivism. since i consider myself the latter (anarcho-socialist) it isn’t worth my time to listen to someone as ill informed about humanist issues as him.  nor as ill informed about scholarship than him (mainstream or alternative). amy goodman fyi was 1 of only 2 journalists to witness and survive the east timor massacre. she made a docu about it. that to me is someone who cares about humanist issues.

            so we can agree to disagree.

  • Anonymous

    anyone who refers to themselves as a “patriot” obviously has no measure of the brainwashing that is part and parcel to nationalism. and for someone who is continuously  discussing brainwashing by the elite they should know better. nationalism is simply a tool used by those in power to divide and conquer. and weed out the subversives.

  • Anonymous

    He’s not a hero. he’s a raving douche that uses paleo-conservatism to masque his ignorance.

    like i said, i know shit goes on, but i am smart enough to know not to feign understanding of it.

  • Touchyournose

    i dont know what it is. noone knows what it is because its so secret. calling it satanism is just a simple way of explaining it, and the same thing they do is mentioned in the bible. so hes just describing it as best he can. but he never brings his religious views into his show. he dwells on facts and documents. he always leaves his religious views at home.

    unless if its something like where it was leaked that thousands of preachers were contacted by homeland security to convince them to tell their followers in their sermons  to give up their guns and do what government tells you in an emergency even if it goes against ur rights.

    alex never screams about the anti christ, you’re making shit up. as u said u cant stand his stuff and choose not to watch or listen to it, so its obvious youre just making stuff up right now.

  • Anonymous

    okay my friend: youtube: alex jones anti christ.

    literally hundreds of links of him (his voice) discussing it.

  • Touchyournose

    what have you ever done to uncover anything important? have u snuck into an elitist camp that had never had video surface out of it in its over 150 years of existance? to call him a douche? what does that make you? do u have a radio show or make documentaries trying to expose things the mainstream wont? i doubt it.

    its ot about understanding it, its that we are a government of for and by the people. and for our politicians to all say theyre good christians when in secret they masterbate in coffins to enter skull and bones and do all these rituals is lying and misleading to the public. period.

  • Touchyournose

    theres a difference between nationalism (which is like following your government and believing all its horseshit.) and patriotism. patriotism just means you hold dear and close to your heart the founding values of your country and what it stood for originally.

    just because they created the patriotic act doesnt mean that by being a patriot now to mean you follow all the lies your government tells you. it depends on your country too but here in the usa, being a patriot means you dissent and go against what you feel is wrong come hell or high water.

  • Touchyournose

    how many is many? i would say his best film, the one that woke me up was martial law 9-11 rise of the police state (which is hundreds of times better than the one that gets so much attention for some reason, loose change) but he has about 18 films now and his radio show is four hours long sunday-friday for the past  15,16 years. so to say youve only listened to several shows, but know he talks about the anti christ and going to church all the time shows you haven’t listened to many at all because he never does that.

  • Touchyournose

    well i dont need to get everything from youtube videos because as ive said he does a lot of shows so it wouldnt be hard for people to take snippets and so see see look at what he said. ive been listening since 2003 and sometimes i go months without listening sometimes i listen to the whole show a few times a week, it depends but ive listened to his show for a long time and he never brings up anti christs or churches (unless hes telling u about how some churches are fakes and how you shouldnt go to them because they just want to use religion to teach you to be subserviant….not that i think theres any other thing religion does but i digress.), if theres clips of him talking about his religion its only because some religious nut calls in and makes him answer biblical questions, he answers the guy on a personal level and then when the caller hangs up he goes right back to the news. so if u actually listen to his show instead of looking for youtube clips that just make him look silly, you’ll see he only discusses the news. its the callers that bring up the biblical insanity.

    he always says that even if youre an atheist you should be concerned about this stuff not because u should believe for or against it, but because the elite do believe this stuff. he says it over and over and over again that he brings it up because its what they do. not because its part of his personal crusade against satanism. its because we all should be concerned about a psychopathic elite that does this sort of crap.

  • Anonymous

    Well i am concerned about the behavior of the “elites” , our relationships to each other, to nature, to capitalism.

    I am not an atheist, which it why i have such contention with alex jones’ interpretation of the world.

  • Anonymous

    two words:

    Amy Goodman.

    real journalism.

    real facts. real issues.

  • Touchyournose

    im not an atheist either, ive seen ufos tho and there was no mistaking what i saw because it was simply so close and unexplainable and something no earth technology could do…unless our government can make floating silent 10 ft in diameter force field/plasma fireballs u can see through. they were no higher than 500 ft from the ground and flew right over my head and a couple other people saw them too. they were going about 40 mph and there were seven of them in a single file line spaced about 100 ft apart from one another. so i know there is a truth out there crazier than any human mind can conceive.

  • Anonymous

    He’s in it for the money. Stop wasting your life on this guy.

  • Touchyournose

    yeah i watched freespeechtv when i was like 15. they are controlled opposition though. i dont see her doing anything anywhere near as important as alex jones. it seems all you want to do is point people to a bunch of wind bags with nothing important to say. neither amy goodman or noam chomsky have done anything but try to damage credibility of those asking questions about false flag government sponsored terror. one of the most important issues of our time.

    so u poo poo the people who really try to dig deep into controversial stuff, but love to highlight and talk about old wind bags who haven’t done anything important in like 10 years.

    alex makes tons of documentaries and runs a radio show every day, all noam and amy do is go up and discuss who farted and who smelled it. it was ok watching lame stuff like that when i was 15 like i said tho.

  • Touchyournose

    bla bla bla. your comment is so idiotic, we are all now more stupid because of it. thanks.

    so alex jones didnt sneak into an elitist camp where bizarre sacrificial rituals take place?

    911 wasnt an inside job and we should be scared of arab ninjas with boxcutters.

    oh and white people now too….

    whatever, i think ill choose to stop wasting my life on you instead.

  • Anonymous

    no patriotism is the believe in a nation-state as a form of ideology.

    nationalism is an inherent part of that belief.

    “your” country was founded on wholesale genocide of the indigenous pop’n, exploitation of slaves, and protections for the wealthy landowning classes.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t say watch democracy now to inform you of everything in your life. It is the BEST news source. period. unless you wake up to alex jones and his brand of dis info you will never know the truth.

  • Touchyournose

    yes of course, but u dont have to get hung up on it. i wear my native american homeland security – fighting terrorism since 1492 all the time. u can call yourself a patriot because u believe in fighting a dictatorial elite and you believe in freedom of speech and stuff like that. doesnt mean you need to support slaughtering of indigenous people. im talking about the ideals on paper our country was founded on and not how our ideals were practiced in reality. i know our forefathers werent perfect, although they were under rule from england so i guess old habits die hard.

  • Touchyournose

    hah. alex jones covers stuff those talking heads never do. i used to watch it but then i found out i wasnt really finding out anything important because i found alex jones and the stuff he said that is true that you could confirm would never get covered by them.

    democracy now is a suspect phrase too given that we are a democratic republic. all they tell you to do is get this puppet in charge and everything will be better. when has amy goodman ever done anything to inform people 911 is an inside job? let me guess. you dont feel thats important either.

    “Go back to sleep, America. Everything is under control. Here’s ‘American Gladiators’. Here’s 200 channels of it. Watch this. Shut up. Watch these two overactive pituitary retards beat eachother to a pulp and celebrate you for living in the land of the free. You are free to do what we tell you to! You are free to do what we tell you to!”

    — Bill Hicks

  • Touchyournose

    hah. alex jones covers stuff those talking heads never do. i used to watch it but then i found out i wasnt really finding out anything important because i found alex jones and the stuff he said that is true that you could confirm would never get covered by them.

    democracy now is a suspect phrase too given that we are a democratic republic. all they tell you to do is get this puppet in charge and everything will be better. when has amy goodman ever done anything to inform people 911 is an inside job? let me guess. you dont feel thats important either.

    “Go back to sleep, America. Everything is under control. Here’s ‘American Gladiators’. Here’s 200 channels of it. Watch this. Shut up. Watch these two overactive pituitary retards beat eachother to a pulp and celebrate you for living in the land of the free. You are free to do what we tell you to! You are free to do what we tell you to!”

    — Bill Hicks

  • Touchyournose

    like i said i enjoyed it when i was 15 and didnt know as much as i do now. im almost 30 now and to listen to them make a big stink about shit that doesnt matter when we are being forced drugged in our water and food and soft killed with chemtrails and all they want to do is pretend to be anti-war so that they get more viewers. no thanks. they can keep their lamestream programming.

  • Touchyournose

    you forgot two.

    real boring. real pointless.

  • Touchyournose
  • Touchyournose
  • Touchyournose

    my comment doesnt seem to apply now. originally ur comment just said “hes just in it for the money. stop taking him seriously.”

  • Anonymous

    i watch submedia.tv also and listen to coast2coast am,  so i don’t exist in a solely progressive media bubble.however there is a huge disparity between alex jones a known paleo-conservative and radical left progressivism. since i consider myself the latter (anarcho-socialist) it isn’t worth my time to listen to someone as ill informed about humanist issues as him.  nor as ill informed about scholarship than him (mainstream or alternative). amy goodman fyi was 1 of only 2 journalists to witness and survive the east timor massacre. she made a docu about it. that to me is someone who cares about humanist issues.

    so we can agree to disagree.

  • Anonymous

    probably around 75-80 percent of what alex jones says is not confirmable by an outside. he mixes truths with fictions and winds together an incomplete and irraTIONAL narrative. you seem to love him so much, but didn’t seem to know that he talks about the anti christ frequently.
    you seem averse to even looking it up. typical i guess, since alex jones is the exact same way.

  • Touchyournose

    no you misunderstand, i have listened to him plenty so i dont need to go through someones youtube posts. i said yes he talks about religion but only when someone else brings it up. he runs a news show and leaves his personal stuff at home. ive listened plenty and never heard him go off on his own about stuff like that. ive heard him say things like it when others bring it up but i cant help it if the guy talks about how he feels personally on air, so all that is supposed to distract me from all he’s done and go running to government approved opposition of amy goodman and noam chomsky? i dont think so.

    glenn beck is to the right what those two are to the left. just two people who wont talk about anything controversial but will give you just enough to keep paying attention. when have they ever talked about flase flag terror? i watched freespeechtv for about 3-4 years after 2001 and never heard them mention 911 being an inside job once. it was by luck i stumbled on martial law 9-11 and the rise of the police state. after finding alex jones i kept watching thinking they’d cover something about it. NOPE! not flouride or chemtrails either. in fact ive mentioned plenty alex jones has done. tell me something important either of them have ever covered? all they do is try to make the idea of our government being out of control seem complicated but its not. these elitist assholes just want to dictate to us how to live our lives and continue recieving hand scraps from the table meanwhile they sit on technologies that could free our planet from pollution and energy needs.

    hell if i have any problem with alex it isnt he talks about christianity and im a very very anti religious person but its that he never talks about ufos and the et presence because it “cant be proven”, which is bullshit. show me another plausible explanation for crop circles and sightings. and ive seen them so i KNOW there is no other explanation.

  • Anonymous

    9/11  is a single (albeit major) issue. You cannot base your judgement on single issue. You have to base it  on the canon of work. I base my critique of jones, on his overall tone, ideology, and  actions.

    You cannot seriously be comparing glenn the nutcase with noam and amy. Fox News is not the same as free speech tv and livestream . Ridiculous.

    The left has no messiah. I think that’s why i dislike alex jones and his followers.

  • Anonymous

    And i also should have added, democracy now almost daily has covered the rise of the american police state since 9-11. They have also perhaps hundreds of shows about water quality, industrial pollution and the environment.

    I would say those issues are VASTLY more legitimate than the sh*t alex jones spews on a daily basis.

    15 yr old kids don’t know sh*t, i sure as hell didn’t at 15. i ask you to revisit DN and get some facts, which stand in strong contrast to hysterics and histronics.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452846937 Matthew Fahey

    you think if there was something being hidden WikiLeaks couldnt find it…

  • frankthetank

    Actually the starting of the conflict with the native Americans was by the french and British.  Also the beginning of almost all countries start with similar atrocity’s.

  • Anonymous

    well that was ahistorical enough not to be true.

    and if it were, then what is the exact foundations of the nation-state if not rotten?

  • Miro

    Ninja…
    A hammer is a tool. A screw driver is a tool. “Those in power” are guys that likely as not may believe nationalism is a tool they can use to their advantage, or be viscerally nationalist. In other words just a cool reminder that politics aren’t a separate breed grown on Mars.
    btw TYN’s patriotism is clearly as positive as your rejection of nationalism :)

  • Anonymous

    patriotism is inherently nationalism.

    i see nothing positive about either. and to play semantics…tsk tsk.

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