Wikileaks’ Julian Assange to Address 9/11 Conspiracy?

AssangeVia Prison Planet Live:

Julian Assange may be about to address concerns over his comments last year that 9/11 truth was a “false conspiracy” which he found “annoying”. Assange made the statement despite Wikileaks’ 2009 release of half a million pager messages on the day of 9/11 from New York City officials, many of which contradicted the official story.

The Wikileaks founder is currently in London embroiled in an extradition appeal relating to allegations of rape, which many suspect are unfounded and part of a smear campaign against Assange.

An increasing number of activists are questioning Assange’s motives, including some of his former colleagues like Cryptome’s John Young. However, we have noted that Anonymous, the hacking collective that has vigorously defended Assange, is doing excellent work in exposing the power elite head on, particularly with their intention to shine a light on the secretive gathering of globalists at this week’s Bohemian Grove confab.

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  • Ian Brock

    There are conspiracys out there but unfortunately prison planets head , is infact an alarmist of the worst kind

    how can you trust anything he says when hes bombed on topics like fema coffins  … blatant lie or severe misunderstanding.

    you be the judge , the grove although interesting is nothing more than a stage play , catch them doing something real then scream evil evil.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Brock/100000506424249 Ian Brock

    There are conspiracys out there but unfortunately prison planets head , is infact an alarmist of the worst kind

    how can you trust anything he says when hes bombed on topics like fema coffins  … blatant lie or severe misunderstanding.

  • http://twitter.com/PitchforkTorchz Cold Hard Truth

    The one thing almost everyone can agree on is that the Official Fable is a fraud.
    Time for new investigation

    • SF2K01

      It’s amazing how people here continue to rant on about 9/11 truth. If any conspiracy or cover up existed, it would have involved thousands upon thousands of individuals, and not only did they pull it all off perfectly with no clear evidence, but not a single person is tattling and going to wikileaks, when they’re perfectly happy sending thousands of other incriminating documents.

      We’ve seen how incompetent the government is, they’re not capable of any kind of successful cover up (we see their screw ups every day), so why not accept they were too incompetent to stop a bunch of Muslim terrorists from hijacking a plane and suicide bombing a building with it? You know, like they tried before and only barely missed succeeding the first time? Then we let them go because the Saudis were backing them? People are idiots and don’t become masterminds of controlling the people just because they ran a campaign and got 51% of the vote.

      • MoralDrift

        except winning 51% of the vote doesn’t put you in power. The people behind Bush are the same behind Obama….at best its coke and pepsi, they both want you guzzling soda. The point is, the myth that our government is incapable of orchestrating grand conspiracy is just that…a myth. Not saying I know what happened because I certainly do not….however I agree with DJ Ball…we need to re-open the official investigation but that wont happen because coke and pepsi decided that’s their story and they’re sticking to it.

        I still find it to be extremely peculiar that NORAD and other agencies happened to be running drills similar to the actual events that took place on that very day…slowing their response time. But we will never know the truth, the only man in the world who could have put the speculation to rest or at least shed new light is now in Davy Jones locker, and dead men tell no tales.

        • SF2K01

          Why is it hard to believe? I’m sure they run drills like that all the time, but even given that, since such a thing hadn’t been done before I doubt they would have done anything about it. It would have looked way worse to shoot down a plane of civies, especially if you have no other info about what’s going on.

          Sure we’ll technically never know the full story in the sense that I don’t know what the terrorist ate for breakfast, but Occam’s Razor: Simplest explanation; most likely to be correct.

        • Tuna Ghost

          I don’t have a hard time believing that a small group of people knew about the attacks before they were carried out and did nothing to stop them, but the theory of an inside job is simply too complicated to carry out and completely unnecessary given that there are people who were willing and able to do it for them.

          • MoralDrift

            I didn’t bring up the inside job theory, you did. If I remember correctly the 9/11 commission stated something to the effect of “we won’t investigate the money trail, it is irrelevant’. Shame on me for not googling the exact quote but the point stands, the official investigation into the attacks did not follow the most basic tenets of investigation…follow the fucking money. Why didn’t they follow the money? Either they didn’t want to uncover the truth or they were just so positive that Al Qaeda was behind the attacks which is what you allude to. I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that it was Al Qaeda and as I stated previously, the man who could have shed some light is dead, if he ever really existed at all.

            The problem with your theory is that there have been no subsequent attacks. It flies in the face of history and reason. Any serious terror organization would not strike once and then go into hiding…what with the pathetic state of security in this country. Theft, vandalism, battery, rape, many cases go unsolved. Our border is porous…why on earth would a terrorist enter the country through any means other than illegal….why do terrorists have a fascination with airplanes? Why is the security at thousands of major events held every day in this country a living breathing JOKE and not a single “terrorist” attack occurs. The evidence of over 10 years of silence is incredible. Dont quote me the shoe bomber or the underwear bomber, too ridiculous to even waste time refuting.

            I may be going over the edge…but look at Iraq or Afghanistan…real terror occurs there. Real terror, as in daily attacks in places of routine gathering as well as larger attacks. Americans don’t know what terror means, unless they’ve spent some time deployed and most of them sit behind heavily fortified barriers, so they can only hear the terror experienced by Iraqi’s going about their daily lives. Israelis know terror as do Palestinians, as do Libyans. The bottom line again…..is not whether or not the job was inside, outside, or otherwise the job happened and it didnt go down how those asshats in washington DC said it did.

            So for the love of god please stop muddying the debate, we dont know what happened. All cards are on the table, except for that ridiculous fairy tale about angry muslims…its the stupidest fucking thing i ever heard

          • Tuna Ghost

            Why didn’t they follow the money?
            They did, and it led to the Saudis, our “friends”, so they quickly shut up about it.

            The problem with your theory is that there have been no subsequent attacks.

            There was more than one attempted attack following 9/11.  Why do you find the shoe bomber too ridiculous to refute?  If its that easy, it shouldn’t take you very long at all.

            They went into hiding because shortly thereafter the US army was knocking down their doors.  Even in hiding, they still planned attacks and attempted them, both in the US and abroad.

            All cards are on the table, except for that ridiculous fairy tale about angry muslims…its the stupidest fucking thing i ever heard

            Even if the angry muslims proudly claim in court to have attempted similar attacks in the past?  Why is the most reasonable of the scenarios off the table for you?

          • SF2K01

            “The problem with your theory is that there have been no subsequent attacks”
            As TG mentioned, there have been plenty of attempts. The original 9/11 attack was low tech and not especially complicated to begin with, as have all other attacks ever done or attempted by terror groups. A single guy or a few guys get together with the basic items or training for an attack and give it a go. This is how they’ve been attacking plenty of places all around the world for decades before and after 9/11. 7/7/05 is probably one of the bigger examples in recent years, and the second Mumbai attack this past week.

            “Any serious terror organization would not strike once and then go into hiding”
            I’m not certain what “real terrorist organizations” are supposed to do according to you. Real terrorist organizations largely are living in hiding to begin with unless they exist as a political front group with some level of control (AQ in Afghanistan, Hamas in Gaza, etc) AQ was based out of Afghanistan at the time, and since America attacked Afghanistan it makes sense they’ll go into hiding. Nor did being in hiding prevent them from releasing messages, statements and committing quite a number of attacks, even though most were outside of America.
            “All cards are on the table, except for that ridiculous fairy tale about angry Muslims” What fairy tale? They’re shouting how much they hate America (as well as western culture and anything not Islamic) at the top of their lungs in their media and blogs and had straight up parades when 9/11 happened celebrating their strike against America. Why do people insist on putting up a facade of innocence by ignoring the open and public statements of the people who happily proclaim their involvement and desire to continue the struggle?

        • Tuna Ghost

          But there have been other investigations.  The police investigated.  So did the FDNY.  As did others.  They came to largely the same conclusions.  We need to admit that many Truthers simply will not accept any investigation that does not reinforce the conclusions they’ve already jumped to in their minds.

          The point is, the myth that our government is incapable of orchestrating grand conspiracy is just that…a myth.

          Yes, but they almost always get found out in the end.  Which is why these days they don’t rely on keeping their actions a secret, they rely on people not giving a shit or they rely on their propaganda machine to spin the message into something easier to digest. Case in point: the US involvement in the massacres in Central America in the 80s.  At first it was deny, deny, deny, but it was found out in the end.  Now they say it was “spreading/protecting democracy”. That’s the phrase they use to cover up the terrible things that are done all around the world. 

          They don’t orchestrate a conspiracy involving hundreds if not thousands of people and expect them all to keep their mouths shut.  No one with a brain in their heads does that anymore in this age.  There are far easier ways to go about accomplishing their goals, such as letting someone who actually wants to do the terrible things you need done to succeed and do your work for you.

      • Tuna Ghost

        Thank you.  God.  It boggles my mind why people are still willing to believe in enormous conspiracy involving hundreds if not thousands of people, explosions that don’t make noise, material that didn’t exist at the time, and rants from people that have been proven to be mistaken on several occasions.  

        I always ask Truthers which scenario is more likely: the aforementioned conspiracy that is too large and complicated to stay hidden for any appreciable length of time, or the scenario where a few members of the administration simply allow a group of people who want to attack the towers, who have tried to do so before, to succeed.  Which is cheaper?  Which is easier?  Which is safer from a risk-of-discovery angle?  

        So far they have declined to answer.  Then call me a troll, or tell me I’m unwilling to believe my government would dare do such a thing, despite my repeated claims that the only time I believe the government is when they tell me they want more of my money.  

        • Honu

          It’s funny that you use simplicity as a tactic to force so called ‘truthers’ into admitting what you think are wrongheaded ideas because really I’d like to do the same to you.  What do you think is more likely: That three buildings that dropped that day, basically into their own footprint at essentially free fall speed that is picture perfect to a controlled demolition, is in fact that…a controlled demolition……or use mental gymnastics involving lots of convoluted physics theory in order to fit the story?  Don’t forget now, WTC tower 7 dropped with minimal damage and fire which has never happened historically, jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough to melt steel, first hand accounts of the event report explosions in the buildings prior to the planes hitting and nanothermite used for controlled demolitions was found in the rubble. 

          Oh never mind, that’s right, you’re so committed to your safe world view that it boggles your mind why people actually use theirs.

          • Tuna Ghost

            I admit that would be a compelling case if any of it were true.  You didn’t stick around in the previous thread on this subject, and while I’d normally point to you it since all the information you need is contained therein, but since its like 275 comments long at this point I’ll give you a break.  Point by point:

            three buildings that dropped that day, basically into their own footprint at essentially free fall speed that is picture perfect to a controlled demolition,

            They didn’t fall into their own footprint.  Several buildings around them were damaged by falling debris.  Notably building 6, which was so damaged it had to be pulled down.  They didn’t fall at freefall speed; this is what comes of getting your opinions from a single piece of video footage.  They appear to because the dust and smaller debris are falling more quickly than the core of the building, and they obscure the rest of the building falling as predicted.  

            or use mental gymnastics involving lots of convoluted physics theory in order to fit the story?

            If the physics seems convoluted to you its probably because you don’t know a lot about physics.  I assure you, it is all  perfectly acceptable to the majority of actual physicists, engineers and architects, despite what Gage would have you believe.   

            Don’t forget now, WTC tower 7 dropped with minimal damage and fire which has never happened historically,

            The fire damage wasn’t minimal, and there was a great goddam hole knocked in the wall by debris from the Towers.  This is affirmed by rescue personal at the scene.  I can give you quotes with names, ranks, fire companies, etc that all attest to this fact.  Would you like them?  Just ask.  I will happily provide them.

            jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough to melt steel,

            Irrelevant, as melted steel didn’t cause the collapse (not even the NIST reports say it did) and there is no evidence of any molten steel.  Any molten material was likely aluminum mixed with other debris.  Before you provide videos or quotes form rescue personnel, check first if they have names, ranks, or any information at all, check if they actually say “steel” and not “metal”, and wonder how a fireman would know molten steel from molten aluminum.  There is no evidence of any molten steel anywhere.  If there was, someone would have produced it by now.

            first hand accounts of the event report explosions in the buildings prior to the planes hitting

            People saying they heard sounds that sounded like explosions does not mean there was a controlled demo.  Explosions from a controlled demo would have been heard several blocks away.  There would be far, far more than a handful of witnesses attesting to hearing explosions, and they would have been captured on at least one of the several recording devices in operation at the time.  Yet they weren’t.  Why is that?  Did these powerful explosions not produce the sounds of powerful explosions?  Or the shockwaves associated with powerful explosions?  

            …and nanothermite used for controlled demolitions was found in the rubble.

            It wasn’t.  Not even the article everyone likes to bring up says it was.  Did you actually read it?  The writers note that materials found six years later, materials that they admit occur frequently in nature, were found that remind them of some thermitic reactions.  Not that it matters, since the article was discredited immediately by the very same periodical that published it (without the editor’s knowledge, who said the article had nothing to do with nano-chemistry and had obvious political agendas, and then promptly resigned in disgrace).  

            you’re so committed to your safe world view

            Why do people keep saying this?  I have repeatedly said that I would have no problem believing Dick Cheney eats baby heads like apples.  This is a total cop-out, no one at Disinfo has any faith in the government nor thinks for a second that it wouldn’t or doesn’t do all the terrible things it can get away with it.  

            This is your cue to accuse me of asking you to read too much, or calling me a troll, or pretty much anything that doesn’t involve you actually reading or addressing any of the things I have just written. 

          • Honu

            Well Tuna, i had a whole response I concocted that was full of well thought out and prescient points but my computer glitched and I lost it just as I finished typing it up.  Sooo, I’ll just say that I will never agree with the official story, nor your reasoning supporting it.  I do have to get on with my day.

            While you may tear your hair out thinking people like me are crazy for believing what I do, I’m sure you know that I think equally of you.  I bid you a fond adieu.

          • Tuna Ghost

            Never is an awfully long time, guy.  But since you’ve been reasonably polite (as polite as anyone gets in these kind of heated discussions) I suppose I can bid you the same.

      • Chica007

        One of the terrorist who planned the 9/11 bombing was caught waaay before 9/11 happened. Our NBI (National Bureau of Investigation) collected the evidences (blueprints of where the attack seemingly would be staged and a testimony of that terrorist) and gave it to your FBI.

        How that terrorist was caught and where? In a cheap hotel here in Manila. Somebody smelt a strong odor and smoke coming from one of the rooms and called for a police or fire dept. (news was from long time ago). When the police break into the room they found the muslim guy trying to concoct something and obviously messed up. They found chemicals of different kinds and blueprints on a table. The police felt they got something big so they had the guy intensively interrogated to the point he was kinda tortured. Anyway he did give out details about their plan to attack the US which clarified the blueprints. From what i remember it was not only one attack or one occurence. According the documents the police found in the hotel the terrorists has been planning it for years. Our NBI was greatly disappointed when the FBI ignored the evidence they presented. The FBI shrugged/ridiculed the evidence. Can understand, of course when you have planned something as big as that for years. . . In the end, it’s all about the oil.

  • http://twitter.com/DJBALL604 DJ BALL604

    The one thing almost everyone can agree on is that the Official Fable is a fraud.
    Time for new investigation

  • Jaymalls

    Even though i dont believe half the shit that comes out this man’s mouth, i still have 2 commend the weirdo on the work he has done. Alot of us dont have the balls to what he has done… also alot of us get pussy on a regular basis 2. Anyway, i believe 9/11 was 1 big conspiracy… and im from NY and had a family member die in that attack. I know i might be going off on a tangent, but did anyone here ever watch the tv show Rubicon????  

    • MoralDrift

      Sir…I believe Mr. Assange’s pursuit of pussy is what landed him in legal trouble…so back off his nuts

      • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

        In that particular case…I suspect the pussy was pursuing him…with plenty of forethought and deliberate intent…although I wouldn’t expect law enforcement to suddenly check the ‘victims’ finances and look for any sudden large surges of cash.

      • NeoWorld2012

        I wouldn’t believe any “sex crime” scenario. That seems to be the CIA’s latest “character assassination fetish” of the moment. I find it beyond coincidence that some important people are being labeled sexual criminals without any hard proof, (no pun intended).

  • Anonymous

    Even though i dont believe half the shit that comes out this man’s mouth, i still have 2 commend the weirdo on the work he has done. Alot of us dont have the balls to what he has done… also alot of us get pussy on a regular basis 2. Anyway, i believe 9/11 was 1 big conspiracy… and im from NY and had a family member die in that attack. I know i might be going off on a tangent, but did anyone here ever watch the tv show Rubicon????  

  • Al Briggs

    The 9/11 fairytale isn’t true, because it can’t be true. Whether it be a conspiracy or just flat out lying to the public, the truth was hidden and there are reasons to hide truth. I’m not holding my breathe for a new investigation or any breakthrough in what REALLY happened… the world is too corrupt for that.

  • http://twitter.com/Boom_Briggs Al Briggs

    The 9/11 fairytale isn’t true, because it can’t be true. Whether it be a conspiracy or just flat out lying to the public, the truth was hidden and there are reasons to hide truth. I’m not holding my breathe for a new investigation or any breakthrough in what REALLY happened… the world is too corrupt for that.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Ah Julian Assange…International Man of Booty Calls…and Mystery. Go man go…if you have something to add thats hard data in the form of memorandums, evidence etc…let it roll…bring the system crashing…and all the variable lies crashing with it. Info anarchy now!!!

    • Honu

      Vox, I like your posts.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Ah Julian Assange…International Man of Booty Calls…and Mystery. Go man go…if you have something to add thats hard data in the form of memorandums, evidence etc…let it roll…bring the system crashing…and all the variable lies crashing with it. Info anarchy now!!!

  • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Sacred Geometry International

    Thank you for commenting everyone.  It’s really not about Alex Jones.  It’s about asking questions. Notice this article was not written by Alex Jones but rather by Paul Joseph Watson.  It is illogical to focus on the main anchor on infowars as though there is no one else there of merit who regularly contributes to their broadcasts.  Contributors such as Wayne Madsen or Paul Craig Roberts  have extensive credentials and yet it seems any connection to Alex is latched onto rather than dealing with the material presented.  I am thankful to see these comments here.  Usually when I post an article about 9/11 Truth the same cast of faux debunking nitwits shows up and attempts to poison the well and prevent any real dialog of what the reality of this false flag attack actually means for our society, let alone what we will do to counter it’s pernicious effects.

    Keep your eyes out for  Albury, Tuna Ghost and other mega spammer trolls are not worth your time.  They won’t deal with evidence and they will send you on tnrat (They’ll never read all this) goose chases to fallacious blogs.

    I hope everyone who reads this and is concerned and willing to face this reality will join up with the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and We Are Change chapters worldwide (Over 244) to be the change we need in this world.

    Just knowing the truth is empowering.  Speaking out to your friends, families and communities is next.  Feel free to message me with any questions you may have as to how you can get involved.

    Thank you to Disinfo for allowing posts like this and the conversations they prompt to have space for consideration on your site.

    -Camron
    wearechangeatlanta.com
    ae911truth.org
    wearechange.org

    • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Sacred Geometry International

      I do agree that Prison Planet does sometimes overdo it, but when you have things like HARP, Chemtrails, Nuclear Meltdowns and explosions in Autism rates that mainstream media won’t address, filling that role is going to be a lot of work for any organization.  

      Let’s not expect perfection from others when all must take up our intellectual, spirtual, and physical forms of self defense against those who would enslave you and your loved ones.

      Again Thank you all for your comments , I do appreciate it very much.

    • Tuna Ghost

      I like that your criticism of me is that I ask you to read too much, despite the fact that in the last few discussions on 9/11 no one would tackle two very, very simple questions, namely:

      1.  Why didn’t any recording devices, of which there were many in operation at the time, pick up any sound of an explosion despite the fact that an explosion powerful enough to topple a building can be heard a mile away?  

      2.  Why would our government stage an attack when there are plenty of nutjobs out there who are willing to do actually attack the WTC towers, as they have done in the past?  Which scenario is cheaper, easier, and significantly safer from a deniability standpoint?  

      Is that too much for you to read?  

      • Tuna Ghost

        Regarding point 2, the message is: why go through the risk of staging an attack when you can just let someone do it for you?  Someone who wants to do it, someone who has tried to do it before, someone who absolutely no one will be surprised to hear attempted to attack the towers?  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Camron-Wiltshire/510662346 Camron Wiltshire

    Thank you for commenting everyone.  It’s really not about Alex Jones.  It’s about asking questions. Notice this article was not written by Alex Jones but rather by Paul Joseph Watson.  It is illogical to focus on the main anchor on infowars as though there is no one else there of merit who regularly contributes to their broadcasts.  Contributors such as Wayne Madsen or Paul Craig Roberts  have extensive credentials and yet it seems any connection to Alex is latched onto rather than dealing with the material presented.  I am thankful to see these comments here.  Usually when I post an article about 9/11 Truth the same cast of faux debunking nitwits shows up and attempts to poison the well and prevent any real dialog of what the reality of this false flag attack actually means for our society, let alone what we will do to counter it’s pernicious effects.

    Keep your eyes out for  Albury, Tuna Ghost and other mega spammer trolls are not worth your time.  They won’t deal with evidence and they will send you on tnrat (They’ll never read all this) goose chases to fallacious blogs.

    I hope everyone who reads this and is concerned and willing to face this reality will join up with the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and We Are Change chapters worldwide (Over 244) to be the change we need in this world.

    Just knowing the truth is empowering.  Speaking out to your friends, families and communities is next.  Feel free to message me with any questions you may have as to how you can get involved.

    Thank you to Disinfo for allowing posts like this and the conversations they prompt to have space for consideration on your site.

    -Camron
    wearechangeatlanta.com
    ae911truth.org
    wearechange.org

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Camron-Wiltshire/510662346 Camron Wiltshire

    I do agree that Prison Planet does sometimes overdo it, but when you have things like HARP, Chemtrails, Nuclear Meltdowns and explosions in Autism rates that mainstream media won’t address, filling that role is going to be a lot of work for any organization.  

    Let’s not expect perfection from others when all must take up our intellectual, spirtual, and physical forms of self defense against those who would enslave you and your loved ones.

    Again Thank you all for your comments , I do appreciate it very much.

  • BuzzCoastin

    This issue isn’t whether or not 911 is an inside job.  This issue is how do wee the people free ourselves from an oppressive oligarchy who hides behind the guise of democracy. 

    • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Sacred Geometry International

      I think exposing this lie has been shown to completely eradicate peoples false expectation of trust with their governments.  It is revolutionary to admit that the system is in need of massive reform, we first have to admit there is a problem if it is ever to change.  I see the movements growing world wide identifying the perpetrators.  We need solidarity and we need to remove our selves as much as possible from their tendrils of control.  From there it is speaking truth to power and reaching out to our communities as to help them make the transition from sleep to wake.  Please see my post below about volunteering with either Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth or We Are Change groups worldwide. Thank you :)

      • Tuna Ghost

        I think exposing this lie has been shown to completely eradicate peoples false expectation of trust with their governments.

        What about the people who already don’t trust the government and still don’t buy the Truthers version?  As I’ve said more than once, if you told me Dick Cheney eats baby heads like apples I’d shrug and agree that its very likely.  But I don’t buy the Truthers campaign, and its sure as hell not because I have too much faith in the government.  In fact, I’d be very surprised to learn that anyone on this site has any faith in the government.

        It is revolutionary to admit that the system is in need of massive reform, we first have to admit there is a problem if it is ever to change.

        How is it revolutionary when even my grandmother, Fox News, and several government officials are clamoring for massive reform?  Everyone knows the system has huge problems.  This isn’t news, and there is no shortage of people saying that the system is broken and corrupt and needs reform.  I’m genuinely curious as to why you see admitting that the system is in need of massive reform as “revolutionary”.  

    • Honu

      Hey Buzz, I agree that the official story is too riddled with inconsistencies and doesn’t take into account alot of facts, physics and first hand accounts of what happened but I’m not willing to say it’s an ‘inside job’.  All I know for sure is that what the government says happened didn’t. Beyond that I have no idea who actually is responsible for what happened that day. 

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    This issue isn’t whether or not 911 is an inside job.  This issue is how do wee the people free ourselves from an oppressive oligarchy who hides behind the guise of democracy. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Camron-Wiltshire/510662346 Camron Wiltshire

    I think exposing this lie has been shown to completely eradicate peoples false expectation of trust with their governments.  It is revolutionary to admit that the system is in need of massive reform, we first have to admit there is a problem if it is ever to change.  I see the movements growing world wide identifying the perpetrators.  We need solidarity and we need to remove our selves as much as possible from their tendrils of control.  From there it is speaking truth to power and reaching out to our communities as to help them make the transition from sleep to wake.  Please see my post below about volunteering with either Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth or We Are Change groups worldwide. Thank you :)

  • mole_face

    911 was blatantly staged, but 911 Truth and the “Patriot Movement” are just as contrived.   – Alex Jones’ disinformation version of the events of 911 is the establishment’s REAL “Official Story”. Once Glenn Beck started pushing the vast majority of the same weirdo manipulative Bircher talking points on Fox News that Alex Jones spent the last decade making synonymous with 911 skepticism, it should’ve been obvious to everyone that something must be horribly wrong with the alternate 911 narrative. We’re being manipulated. These corporate funded Tea Party fucks are probably going to usher in a new age of ultra fascism and anti-intellectualism the likes of which we can’t even begin to fathom..

  • fuzzgun

    911 was blatantly staged, but 911 Truth and the “Patriot Movement” are just as contrived.   – Alex Jones’ disinformation version of the events of 911 is the establishment’s REAL “Official Story”. Once Glenn Beck started pushing the vast majority of the same weirdo manipulative Bircher talking points on Fox News that Alex Jones spent the last decade making synonymous with 911 skepticism, it should’ve been obvious to everyone that something must be horribly wrong with the alternate 911 narrative. We’re being manipulated. These corporate funded Tea Party fucks are probably going to usher in a new age of ultra fascism and anti-intellectualism the likes of which we can’t even begin to fathom..

  • OliverStone

    48 years later:

    Oswald still = Kennedy assassin…

    time to move on folks

    • Honu

      Time to move on?  Shelf life for issues related to government coverups or otherwise nefarious doings is roughly 50 years is it?  As Bill Hicks would say, then don’t talk to me about Jesus then.  If we’re talking shelf life, I don’t want to hear anything more about that guy….it was a long looong time ago.

      • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

        Amen ! As Bill Hicks would also say…”You know why they stopped letting people into the Depository Room where Oswald allegedly fired on Kennedy? Because you can’t see the street from that window…not even at an angle, not even hanging out of the window. It makes people suddenly say “Holy Shit!! They been lyin to us!!”

  • OliverStone

    48 years later:

    Oswald still = Kennedy assassin…

    time to move on folks

  • Honu

    Time to move on?  Shelf life for issues related to government coverups or otherwise nefarious doings is roughly 50 years is it?  As Bill Hicks would say, then don’t talk to me about Jesus then.  If we’re talking shelf life, I don’t want to hear anything more about that guy….it was a long looong time ago.

  • Honu

    Hey Buzz, I agree that the official story is too riddled with inconsistencies and doesn’t take into account alot of facts, physics and first hand accounts of what happened but I’m not willing to say it’s an ‘inside job’.  All I know for sure is that what the government says happened didn’t. Beyond that I have no idea who actually is responsible for what happened that day. 

  • Honu

    Vox, I like your posts.

  • Anonymous

    It’s amazing how people here continue to rant on about 9/11 truth. If any conspiracy or cover up existed, it would have involved thousands upon thousands of individuals, and not only did they pull it all off perfectly with no clear evidence, but not a single person is tattling and going to wikileaks, when they’re perfectly happy sending thousands of other incriminating documents.

    We’ve seen how incompetent the government is, they’re not capable of any kind of successful cover up (we see their screw ups every day), so why not accept they were too incompetent to stop a bunch of Muslim terrorists from hijacking a plane and suicide bombing a building with it? You know, like they tried before and only barely missed succeeding the first time? Then we let them go because the Saudis were backing them? People are idiots and don’t become masterminds of controlling the people just because they ran a campaign and got 51% of the vote.

  • Anonymous

    except winning 51% of the vote doesn’t put you in power. The people behind Bush are the same behind Obama….at best its coke and pepsi, they both want you guzzling soda. The point is, the myth that our government is incapable of orchestrating grand conspiracy is just that…a myth. Not saying I know what happened because I certainly do not….however I agree with DJ Ball…we need to re-open the official investigation but that wont happen because coke and pepsi decided that’s their story and they’re sticking to it.

    I still find it to be extremely peculiar that NORAD and other agencies happened to be running drills similar to the actual events that took place on that very day…slowing their response time. But we will never know the truth, the only man in the world who could have put the speculation to rest or at least shed new light is now in Davy Jones locker, and dead men tell no tales.

  • Anonymous

    Sir…I believe Mr. Assange’s pursuit of pussy is what landed him in legal trouble…so back off his nuts

  • cakey pig

    I don’t know wtf happened on that fateful day, but I do know that the official version of events ‘wouldn’t stand up in court’, as they say. Too many ‘coincidences’, for a start.

    This is an excellent article, written only the other day by one of the UK’s most respected journos, called ‘Even I question the truth about 911′ :
    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911-462904.html

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know wtf happened on that fateful day, but I do know that the official version of events ‘wouldn’t stand up in court’, as they say. Too many ‘coincidences’, for a start.

    This is an excellent article, written only the other day by one of the UK’s most respected journos, called ‘Even I question the truth about 911′ :
    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911-462904.html

  • j0hn

    Anonymous is far from anything that is a ‘hacking collective’.

  • j0hn

    Anonymous is far from anything that is a ‘hacking collective’.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Amen ! As Bill Hicks would also say…”You know why they stopped letting people into the Depository Room where Oswald allegedly fired on Kennedy? Because you can’t see the street from that window…not even at an angle, not even hanging out of the window. It makes people suddenly say “Holy Shit!! They been lyin to us!!”

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    In that particular case…I suspect the pussy was pursuing him…with plenty of forethought and deliberate intent…although I wouldn’t expect law enforcement to suddenly check the ‘victims’ finances and look for any sudden large surges of cash.

  • Anonymous

    Why is it hard to believe? I’m sure they run drills like that all the time, but even given that, since such a thing hadn’t been done before I doubt they would have done anything about it. It would have looked way worse to shoot down a plane of civies, especially if you have no other info about what’s going on.

    Sure we’ll technically never know the full story in the sense that I don’t know what the terrorist ate for breakfast, but Occam’s Razor: Simplest explanation; most likely to be correct.

  • Tuna Ghost

    I don’t have a hard time believing that a small group of people knew about the attacks before they were carried out and did nothing to stop them, but the theory of an inside job is simply too complicated to carry out and completely unnecessary given that there are people who were willing and able to do it for them.

  • Tuna Ghost

    I like that your criticism of me is that I ask you to read too much, despite the fact that in the last few discussions on 9/11 no one would tackle two very, very simple questions, namely:

    1.  Why didn’t any recording devices, of which there were many in operation at the time, pick up any sound of an explosion despite the fact that an explosion powerful enough to topple a building can be heard a mile away?  

    2.  Why would our government stage an attack when there are plenty of nutjobs out there who are willing to do actually attack the WTC towers, as they have done in the past?  Which scenario is cheaper, easier, and significantly safer from a deniability standpoint?  

    Is that too much for you to read?  

  • Tuna Ghost

    Regarding point 2, the message is: why go through the risk of staging an attack when you can just let someone do it for you?  Someone who wants to do it, someone who has tried to do it before, someone who absolutely no one will be surprised to hear attempted to attack the towers?  

  • Tuna Ghost

    I think exposing this lie has been shown to completely eradicate peoples false expectation of trust with their governments.

    What about the people who already don’t trust the government and still don’t buy the Truthers version?  As I’ve said more than once, if you told me Dick Cheney eats baby heads like apples I’d shrug and agree that its very likely.  But I don’t buy the Truthers campaign, and its sure as hell not because I have too much faith in the government.  In fact, I’d be very surprised to learn that anyone on this site has any faith in the government.

    It is revolutionary to admit that the system is in need of massive reform, we first have to admit there is a problem if it is ever to change.

    How is it revolutionary when even my grandmother, Fox News, and several government officials are clamoring for massive reform?  Everyone knows the system has huge problems.  This isn’t news, and there is no shortage of people saying that the system is broken and corrupt and needs reform.  I’m genuinely curious as to why you see admitting that the system is in need of massive reform as “revolutionary”.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    Thank you.  God.  It boggles my mind why people are still willing to believe in enormous conspiracy involving hundreds if not thousands of people, explosions that don’t make noise, material that didn’t exist at the time, and rants from people that have been proven to be mistaken on several occasions.  

    I always ask Truthers which scenario is more likely: the aforementioned conspiracy that is too large and complicated to stay hidden for any appreciable length of time, or the scenario where a few members of the administration simply allow a group of people who want to attack the towers, who have tried to do so before, to succeed.  Which is cheaper?  Which is easier?  Which is safer from a risk-of-discovery angle?  

    So far they have declined to answer.  Then call me a troll, or tell me I’m unwilling to believe my government would dare do such a thing, despite my repeated claims that the only time I believe the government is when they tell me they want more of my money.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    But there have been other investigations.  The police investigated.  So did the FDNY.  As did others.  They came to largely the same conclusions.  We need to admit that many Truthers simply will not accept any investigation that does not reinforce the conclusions they’ve already jumped to in their minds.

    The point is, the myth that our government is incapable of orchestrating grand conspiracy is just that…a myth.

    Yes, but they almost always get found out in the end.  Which is why these days they don’t rely on keeping their actions a secret, they rely on people not giving a shit or they rely on their propaganda machine to spin the message into something easier to digest. Case in point: the US involvement in the massacres in Central America in the 80s.  At first it was deny, deny, deny, but it was found out in the end.  Now they say it was “spreading/protecting democracy”. That’s the phrase they use to cover up the terrible things that are done all around the world. 

    They don’t orchestrate a conspiracy involving hundreds if not thousands of people and expect them all to keep their mouths shut.  No one with a brain in their heads does that anymore in this age.  There are far easier ways to go about accomplishing their goals, such as letting someone who actually wants to do the terrible things you need done to succeed and do your work for you.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t bring up the inside job theory, you did. If I remember correctly the 9/11 commission stated something to the effect of “we won’t investigate the money trail, it is irrelevant’. Shame on me for not googling the exact quote but the point stands, the official investigation into the attacks did not follow the most basic tenets of investigation…follow the fucking money. Why didn’t they follow the money? Either they didn’t want to uncover the truth or they were just so positive that Al Qaeda was behind the attacks which is what you allude to. I have yet to see a single shred of evidence that it was Al Qaeda and as I stated previously, the man who could have shed some light is dead, if he ever really existed at all.

    The problem with your theory is that there have been no subsequent attacks. It flies in the face of history and reason. Any serious terror organization would not strike once and then go into hiding…what with the pathetic state of security in this country. Theft, vandalism, battery, rape, many cases go unsolved. Our border is porous…why on earth would a terrorist enter the country through any means other than illegal….why do terrorists have a fascination with airplanes? Why is the security at thousands of major events held every day in this country a living breathing JOKE and not a single “terrorist” attack occurs. The evidence of over 10 years of silence is incredible. Dont quote me the shoe bomber or the underwear bomber, too ridiculous to even waste time refuting.

    I may be going over the edge…but look at Iraq or Afghanistan…real terror occurs there. Real terror, as in daily attacks in places of routine gathering as well as larger attacks. Americans don’t know what terror means, unless they’ve spent some time deployed and most of them sit behind heavily fortified barriers, so they can only hear the terror experienced by Iraqi’s going about their daily lives. Israelis know terror as do Palestinians, as do Libyans. The bottom line again…..is not whether or not the job was inside, outside, or otherwise the job happened and it didnt go down how those asshats in washington DC said it did.

    So for the love of god please stop muddying the debate, we dont know what happened. All cards are on the table, except for that ridiculous fairy tale about angry muslims…its the stupidest fucking thing i ever heard

  • Tuna Ghost

    Why didn’t they follow the money?
    They did, and it led to the Saudis, our “friends”, so they quickly shut up about it.

    The problem with your theory is that there have been no subsequent attacks.

    There was more than one attempted attack following 9/11.  Why do you find the shoe bomber too ridiculous to refute?  If its that easy, it shouldn’t take you very long at all.

    They went into hiding because shortly thereafter the US army was knocking down their doors.  Even in hiding, they still planned attacks and attempted them, both in the US and abroad.

    All cards are on the table, except for that ridiculous fairy tale about angry muslims…its the stupidest fucking thing i ever heard

    Even if the angry muslims proudly claim in court to have attempted similar attacks in the past?  Why is the most reasonable of the scenarios off the table for you?

  • Anonymous

    “The problem with your theory is that there have been no subsequent attacks”
    As TG mentioned, there have been plenty of attempts. The original 9/11 attack was low tech and not especially complicated to begin with, as have all other attacks ever done or attempted by terror groups. A single guy or a few guys get together with the basic items or training for an attack and give it a go. This is how they’ve been attacking plenty of places all around the world for decades before and after 9/11. 7/7/05 is probably one of the bigger examples in recent years, and the second Mumbai attack this past week.

    “Any serious terror organization would not strike once and then go into hiding”
    I’m not certain what “real terrorist organizations” are supposed to do according to you. Real terrorist organizations largely are living in hiding to begin with unless they exist as a political front group with some level of control (AQ in Afghanistan, Hamas in Gaza, etc) AQ was based out of Afghanistan at the time, and since America attacked Afghanistan it makes sense they’ll go into hiding. Nor did being in hiding prevent them from releasing messages, statements and committing quite a number of attacks, even though most were outside of America.
    “All cards are on the table, except for that ridiculous fairy tale about angry Muslims” What fairy tale? They’re shouting how much they hate America (as well as western culture and anything not Islamic) at the top of their lungs in their media and blogs and had straight up parades when 9/11 happened celebrating their strike against America. Why do people insist on putting up a facade of innocence by ignoring the open and public statements of the people who happily proclaim their involvement and desire to continue the struggle?

  • NeoWorld2012

    I wouldn’t believe any “sex crime” scenario. That seems to be the CIA’s latest “character assassination fetish” of the moment. I find it beyond coincidence that some important people are being labeled sexual criminals without any hard proof, (no pun intended).

  • NeoWorld2012

    I wouldn’t believe any “sex crime” scenario. That seems to be the CIA’s latest “character assassination fetish” of the moment. I find it beyond coincidence that some important people are being labeled sexual criminals without any hard proof, (no pun intended).

  • Honu

    It’s funny that you use simplicity as a tactic to force so called ‘truthers’ into admitting what you think are wrongheaded ideas because really I’d like to do the same to you.  What do you think is more likely: That three buildings that dropped that day, basically into their own footprint at essentially free fall speed that is picture perfect to a controlled demolition, is in fact that…a controlled demolition……or use mental gymnastics involving lots of convoluted physics theory in order to fit the story?  Don’t forget now, WTC tower 7 dropped with minimal damage and fire which has never happened historically, jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough to melt steel, first hand accounts of the event report explosions in the buildings prior to the planes hitting and nanothermite used for controlled demolitions was found in the rubble. 

    Oh never mind, that’s right, you’re so committed to your safe world view that it boggles your mind why people actually use theirs.

  • Tuna Ghost

    I admit that would be a compelling case if any of it were true.  You didn’t stick around in the previous thread on this subject, and while I’d normally point to you it since all the information you need is contained therein, but since its like 275 comments long at this point I’ll give you a break.  Point by point:

    three buildings that dropped that day, basically into their own footprint at essentially free fall speed that is picture perfect to a controlled demolition,

    They didn’t fall into their own footprint.  Several buildings around them were damaged by falling debris.  Notably building 6, which was so damaged it had to be pulled down.  They didn’t fall at freefall speed; this is what comes of getting your opinions from a single piece of video footage.  They appear to because the dust and smaller debris are falling more quickly than the core of the building, and they obscure the rest of the building falling as predicted.  

    or use mental gymnastics involving lots of convoluted physics theory in order to fit the story?

    If the physics seems convoluted to you its probably because you don’t know a lot about physics.  I assure you, it is all  perfectly acceptable to the majority of actual physicists, engineers and architects, despite what Gage would have you believe.   

    Don’t forget now, WTC tower 7 dropped with minimal damage and fire which has never happened historically,

    The fire damage wasn’t minimal, and there was a great goddam hole knocked in the wall by debris from the Towers.  This is affirmed by rescue personal at the scene.  I can give you quotes with names, ranks, fire companies, etc that all attest to this fact.  Would you like them?  Just ask.  I will happily provide them.

    jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough to melt steel,

    Irrelevant, as melted steel didn’t cause the collapse (not even the NIST reports say it did) and there is no evidence of any molten steel.  Any molten material was likely aluminum mixed with other debris.  Before you provide videos or quotes form rescue personnel, check first if they have names, ranks, or any information at all, check if they actually say “steel” and not “metal”, and wonder how a fireman would know molten steel from molten aluminum.  There is no evidence of any molten steel anywhere.  If there was, someone would have produced it by now.

    first hand accounts of the event report explosions in the buildings prior to the planes hitting

    People saying they heard sounds that sounded like explosions does not mean there was a controlled demo.  Explosions from a controlled demo would have been heard several blocks away.  There would be far, far more than a handful of witnesses attesting to hearing explosions, and they would have been captured on at least one of the several recording devices in operation at the time.  Yet they weren’t.  Why is that?  Did these powerful explosions not produce the sounds of powerful explosions?  Or the shockwaves associated with powerful explosions?  

    …and nanothermite used for controlled demolitions was found in the rubble.

    It wasn’t.  Not even the article everyone likes to bring up says it was.  Did you actually read it?  The writers note that materials found six years later, materials that they admit occur frequently in nature, were found that remind them of some thermitic reactions.  Not that it matters, since the article was discredited immediately by the very same periodical that published it (without the editor’s knowledge, who said the article had nothing to do with nano-chemistry and had obvious political agendas, and then promptly resigned in disgrace).  

    you’re so committed to your safe world view

    Why do people keep saying this?  I have repeatedly said that I would have no problem believing Dick Cheney eats baby heads like apples.  This is a total cop-out, no one at Disinfo has any faith in the government nor thinks for a second that it wouldn’t or doesn’t do all the terrible things it can get away with it.  

    This is your cue to accuse me of asking you to read too much, or calling me a troll, or pretty much anything that doesn’t involve you actually reading or addressing any of the things I have just written. 

  • Honu

    Well Tuna, i had a whole response I concocted that was full of well thought out and prescient points but my computer glitched and I lost it just as I finished typing it up.  Sooo, I’ll just say that I will never agree with the official story, nor your reasoning supporting it.  I do have to get on with my day.

    While you may tear your hair out thinking people like me are crazy for believing what I do, I’m sure you know that I think equally of you.  I bid you a fond adieu.

  • Honu

    Well Tuna, i had a whole response I concocted that was full of well thought out and prescient points but my computer glitched and I lost it just as I finished typing it up.  Sooo, I’ll just say that I will never agree with the official story, nor your reasoning supporting it.  I do have to get on with my day.

    While you may tear your hair out thinking people like me are crazy for believing what I do, I’m sure you know that I think equally of you.  I bid you a fond adieu.

  • Honu

    Well Tuna, i had a whole response I concocted that was full of well thought out and prescient points but my computer glitched and I lost it just as I finished typing it up.  Sooo, I’ll just say that I will never agree with the official story, nor your reasoning supporting it.  I do have to get on with my day.

    While you may tear your hair out thinking people like me are crazy for believing what I do, I’m sure you know that I think equally of you.  I bid you a fond adieu.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Never is an awfully long time, guy.  But since you’ve been reasonably polite (as polite as anyone gets in these kind of heated discussions) I suppose I can bid you the same.

  • Chica007

    One of the terrorist who planned the 9/11 bombing was caught waaay before 9/11 happened. Our NBI (National Bureau of Investigation) collected the evidences (blueprints of where the attack seemingly would be staged and a testimony of that terrorist) and gave it to your FBI.

    How that terrorist was caught and where? In a cheap hotel here in Manila. Somebody smelt a strong odor and smoke coming from one of the rooms and called for a police or fire dept. (news was from long time ago). When the police break into the room they found the muslim guy trying to concoct something and obviously messed up. They found chemicals of different kinds and blueprints on a table. The police felt they got something big so they had the guy intensively interrogated to the point he was kinda tortured. Anyway he did give out details about their plan to attack the US which clarified the blueprints. From what i remember it was not only one attack or one occurence. According the documents the police found in the hotel the terrorists has been planning it for years. Our NBI was greatly disappointed when the FBI ignored the evidence they presented. The FBI shrugged/ridiculed the evidence. Can understand, of course when you have planned something as big as that for years. . . In the end, it’s all about the oil.

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