London Riot Fire Destroys Warehouse Containing 150 Indie Record Labels’ Inventory

piasukA creative tragedy of immense proportions in London, as a fire has wiped out a massive distribution warehouse that housed the physical stock of most of the U.K.’s seminal independent music labels. Some of the labels will cease to exist, and some may have lost their entire back catalogs of vinyl. Via Pitchfork:

A Sony distribution warehouse in North London was burned to the ground around during the third night of riots in the UK, as the BBC reports. The 200,000 square-foot center housed the entire inventory of PIAS UK, the primary distribution hub for more than 150 independent labels.

No injuries were reported in the blaze, but all inventory is feared lost. XL/Beggars, Warp, Rough Trade, Domino, 4AD, Sub Pop, Secretly Canadian, Jagjaguwar, Drag City, Thrill Jockey, FatCat, Kompakt, Mute, Ninja Tune, Vice, and Soul Jazz are among those affected.

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  • Just me

    Useless losers!!!  Who do they think are hurting?

    • Jin The Ninja

      They aren’t losers, they have justifiable anger towards a system that has disenfranchised them.

      as for the second part of your question:

      The establishment pigs who have codified Britain’s long history of classism and racism?

      30 years of Thatcher’s ravenously lunatic free market policies probably don’t comfort them at night…

    • 93_Qing

      While the whole “man, what a bunch of tugs” or even racist statements that this has to do with “multiculturalism failing”, indeed obscures the whole fact that we’re dealing with a societal issue of historical proportions, the typical bourgeois “oh but I understand what’s going on here, let me explain it to you over some wine while we put on some jazz”.
      “This is the sort of modernity that made us ill… This tolerance and largeur of the heart that “forgives” everything
      because it “understands”.” – F. Nietzsche
      Born and raised in a working class family that had to fight to keep bread on the table, I learned to loathe these types even more than the Tea baggers or any other type of fascist who looked down on the working class.  When it comes to it, these bourgies have nothing but disdain for the class they purport to champion.  I’d like to see it happen in their neighbourhoods.  Because that’s where the violence should be directed to.  We should know they belong to the class that supresses, and that their paternalist ‘caring’ is what keeps us from having a voice.
      Their feigned sympathy is nothing but a desperate need for integrity and authenticity in their lifestyle, to remain aloof.  It does not and will never bring about a working class revolt.  We don’t need their sympathy.

      • Jin The Ninja

        , these are the poorest kids. we’re not talking working class, we’re talking the dole. so perhaps “bourgeois” sympathies are in fact genuine.

        http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/10/over_1_000_arrested_in_uk

        watch that, it was a really good show today.

        and he specifically addresses several of your points.

        • 93_Qing

          The ones who are now riotting sure aren’t upper middle class kids indeed.  Though I’ve heard about a lot of dickheads making use of the anarchy in the streets to get an iPad while they have the capital to buy it.  To bad those opportunists are hidden within the crowd.
          But I was alluding to the whole bourgie-blogosphere that has ‘sympathy’ and ‘understanding’ for this while most of them never done a damn thing in their life for this class.
          Thanks for the link!  Watching it now.

          • Jin The Ninja

            I realised what you meant a bit AFTER i wrote my comment, so i apologise;)

  • Just me

    Useless losers!!!  Who do they think are hurting?

  • medicine ball

    Illegally burning  cds

  • medicine ball

    Illegally burning  cds

  • Wastelandindustrial

    Burn down the disco. Hang the bless’d DJ

  • Wastelandindustrial

    Burn down the disco. Hang the bless’d DJ

  • Investinourftre

    It is our turn, wake up America you are being pushed through Cultural Genocide, do not lie down.

  • Anonymous

    It is our turn, wake up America you are being pushed through Cultural Genocide, do not lie down.

  • dogbeard

    Why are “seminal independent music labels” storing their goods in a SONY warehouse?   Doesn’t sound very “independent” to me.

    • Jin The Ninja

      i agree, but it’s a distribution warehouse.

      distribution is almost always controlled by major labels.

    • Exactly

      DING DING!  Because it’s the great “indie” swindle.  Make like you are unaffiliated with the big labels or any serious money to get the indie kid DIY cred, but you really ARE, otherwise how in the hell do you get a distro contract with PIAS/Sony?  Most of those labels distro’d by PIAS/Sony are funded by major labels and flush financial backers….if you check the PIAS website, they have an announcement that they’re working with Sony to get the distro up and running again within a weeks time.  The stock will be replaced by insurance that Sony and PIAS worker bees will have to chase, but in the meanwhile the pressing/distro deals that these labels should (and most likely do) have in place will mean that pressing is done on credit via the distro…so it’s not like these labels need to come up with the cash to repress all their stock.  Everyone is gonna be ok.  

      • mexican wizard

        if they are really indie they would be selling the cds themselves at their shows. 

        • Tuna Ghost

          Jesus if that’s the case, I would sell out in a heartbeat

      • annoyed, glasgow

        this attitude really gets my goat. at the end of the day i know the people who this really affects. those people have been struggling from year to year to keep their collective labels afloat. they built them from the ground up, back when music used to mean something. just because an indie label has to have a bigger distributor means not that the lbel itself is “swindling” or has sold out. its unfortunate that publishers even exist, but thats just what has to be done for mass distribution. the artists affected have always had to work in bars to make ends meet. heres just a small list of careers in trouble. maybe you can show a little empathy for the little guy, you heartless fuck? arab strap, errors, mogwai, desalvo, belle and sebastian, a LOT of old 4AD bands who relied on their back catalogs like red house painters, cocteau twins etc. not to mention that one of the guys who owns a small glasgow label now has to close his doors after nearly 30 years of ups and downs, just because some tracksuited clown who doesnt know what he’s raging against decided to set a few fires? fuck you mate. you should be showing as much empathy for this as you do for the poor shop owner who’s business has burnt down.

        • Its me the Jesus

          screw labels period. its the same way dinosaur labels where born from struggling micro labels that were pioneering  some money making scheme from music recording. Want to make money from music? OPEN A VENUE, where musicians can do their work for real.

        • Tuna Ghost

           …back when music used to mean something.
          This attitude really gets my goat.  Elaborate, if you dare.  

          Also, I noticed you at no point addressed dude’s point about the insurance.  

          • annoyed glasgow

            “back when music used to mean someting”

            exactly what i said. back when record stores could still afford to run because people were still willing to spend money on physical items, back when we werent governed so much by corporate labels who practically own social networking sites pushing whatever diet pop is on offer – and believe me, in the nineties the little guy had a fighting chance at a career because publishing contracts and huge labels were willing to gamble instead of being unwilling to sign acts nowadaysunless the act is the most moldable cash cow they can find all under the ruse of “oh but piracy is destroying our huge billion dollar company, we need to play our cards close to our chest” – bollocks.
            which leads me on nicely to the insurance issue. rioting is seen as an act of god, there will be no insurance paid. however, IF there was insurance paid, the smaller labels wont see any of it based on the fact that the ones i mentioned are kept alive purely by their back catalog or slightly bigger artists ie mogwai. there is no insurance being paid for the smaller guys, the only point i was making is that you all may as well be laughing about/saying stuff like HAHA SONY LOL at a guy who owns a very small electronics store and has his Sony TVs looted and shop set on fire. its not about a little company being a whore and getting what they deserve. if you think that then you’re naive and heartless, and i hope your life’s work goes up in smoke someday, see how you feel. (not directed at you, Tuna, the last bit is for the other folk laughing about

          • Tuna Ghost

            back when record stores could still afford to run because people were still willing to spend money on physical items

            People still buy vinyl, despite its obsolete format.  But really, what’s the point of whining about the digital trend?  It makes music easier to distribute and store.  What does any of this have to do with “meaning” in terms of what you wrote?

            back when we werent governed so much by corporate labels who practically own social networking sites pushing whatever diet pop is on offer

            Who is “we”, and how are we “governed”? Explain it to me in terms of process.  

            - and believe me, in the nineties the little guy had a fighting chance at a career because publishing contracts and huge labels were willing to gamble instead of being unwilling to sign acts nowadaysunless the act is the most moldable cash cow they can find

            Funny, because most of the musicians I have read interviews with on this topic say that this has been happening for many decades.  I just heard an interview with Lux Interior and Poison Ivy from The Cramps (obviously from a few years ago as Lux is now dead, god rest his soul) and they were talking about this very phenomena happening back in the 70′s and 80′s.  The “piracy” argument is just a new way to justify this behavior.  I don’t even think this is happening on a larger level than in the past, these days major labels don’t sign individual acts so much as just buying labels wholesale.

            rioting is seen as an act of god, there will be no insurance paid

            Um, arson is arson is arson, buddy.  I don’t think the insurance company will even try to deny that this was anything except vandalism/willful destruction of property.  

            IF there was insurance paid, the smaller labels wont see any of it based on the fact that the ones i mentioned are kept alive purely by their back catalog or slightly bigger artists ie mogwai. there is no insurance being paid for the smaller guys,

            …this makes me suspect you don’t really know how insurance claims are made and how insurance pays out.  Point is, if a label insured their property against vandalism and/or willful destruction, they will receive a settlement.  The back catalogs have mostly been digitized and can be re-written on vinyl.  The actual vintage records and covers have been destroyed, but the content is safe.  I’m not saying this isn’t a blow to a small company using the distribution center, but the situation is simply not as bleak as you’re making it out to be.

  • dogbeard

    Why are “seminal independent music labels” storing their goods in a SONY warehouse?   Doesn’t sound very “independent” to me.

  • Anonymous

    i agree, but it’s a distribution warehouse.

    distribution is almost always controlled by major labels.

  • Redacted

    Insurance fraud.

  • Anonymous

    Insurance fraud.

  • nukepineisland

    The young Brits whom lit the fires are not rioters they are insurrectionists.

    And if you want to make a omelet you gotta break some eggs.

    • http://www.facebook.com/elpolloloco52 Josh Adkisson

      The eggs you’re supposed to break are the oppressive elements in society. Explain to me how a distribution warehouse is an oppressive element in society? Or, put another way, who the fuck did they liberate by burning down that warehouse? The workers? I’ll tell you right now, those warehouse workers and shipping clerks, after this “insurrection” is over, are still going to live in a capitalist society, are still going to have to try to find a job, and are still going to be stuck with the same shitty wages. Nobody was helped or liberated by burning down the warehouse, because it was an act of tearing, and there will not be an act of building up to come after it. You can get a ton of people involved in this first part of an insurrection relatively easily, but, assuming success, no one will be around for the second part–the construction of a free and equal society. And unless somehow your so-called “insurrectionists” have more dedication to anarchist/socialist/communist ideals than meets the eye, these “insurrectionists” are a half-assed variety, and this “insurrection” will fail.

  • nukepineisland

    The young Brits whom lit the fires are not rioters they are insurrectionists.

    And if you want to make a omelet you gotta break some eggs.

  • Blah

    that’s what you get dealing with Sony distribution… HA HA !

    • benji

      what?

  • Blah

    that’s what you get dealing with Sony distribution… HA HA !

  • Exactly

    DING DING!  Because it’s the great “indie” swindle.  Make like you are unaffiliated with the big labels or any serious money to get the indie kid DIY cred, but you really ARE, otherwise how in the hell do you get a distro contract with PIAS/Sony?  Most of those labels distro’d by PIAS/Sony are funded by major labels and flush financial backers….if you check the PIAS website, they have an announcement that they’re working with Sony to get the distro up and running again within a weeks time.  The stock will be replaced by insurance that Sony and PIAS worker bees will have to chase, but in the meanwhile the pressing/distro deals that these labels should (and most likely do) have in place will mean that pressing is done on credit via the distro…so it’s not like these labels need to come up with the cash to repress all their stock.  Everyone is gonna be ok.  

  • mexican wizard

    if they are really indie they would be selling the cds themselves at their shows. 

  • mexican wizard

    at least they dont get tornadoes. I blame their awful food for the violence 

  • mexican wizard

    at least they dont get tornadoes. I blame their awful food for the violence 

  • 93_Qing

    Fuck this bullshit.  I just saw an Indian coffee shop owner, who worked his entire life to get that shop going, to see his life project being destroyed in one hour.
    That’s the tragedy of this whole entire situation.  A bunch of nihilists who only wish to be a vandal for a night, destroying entire lifes.

    • Jin The Ninja

      tens of thousands of kids and twentysomethings in more than 5 cities are not nihilists.

      they are pissed. and rightly so.

      let’s not over simplify something or put it out of context shall we.

      • 93_Qing

        What strikes the eye with regard to other revolts in the past is the total absence of any positive prospect among the protesters.  I May 68 was a revolt with a utopian vision, the recent revolt was just an outburst with no pretense to any kind of positive vision – if the commonplace that “we live in a post-ideological era” has any sense, it is here.

        • Jin The Ninja

          I don’t quite think the May 68 movements were quite as utopian as you seem to believe, if for the sheer facts of history: those “revolutionaries” and peaceniks of the 1960s went on to become the neo-liberal capitalists of today.

          Nor do i think we are in a post-ideological age, i believe anger has transformed civil protest. I think they are mad at the system in general, and in that the colour of blood is blind.

          • 93_Qing

            I agree with you on how the 60′s generation turned out.  The generation today is resigned to the hypocrisy of those before them, who once sang songs of rebellion and now sell them back to us.
            It may be proof that a so-called ideological conviction is not enough for change.
            But concerning post-ideology, it’s a whole philosophical debate I won’t go into, but I do not think public anger is enough for the system to change.  That’s more like shock-therapy politics.

          • Jin The Ninja

            If the ruling classes can use shock doctrine economics on us, i completely advocate a little electro shock for them. who knows maybe they’ll start to feel something other than greed.

        • Simiantongue

          Utopian ideals of the 60′s didn’t actually come into focus till the 70′s, or even the 80′s for some. In hindsight they looked back and said “Yeah, that’s exactly what we were trying to do at the time!”. But they are deceiving themselves mostly. At the time all anyone knew was that they were wanting to make the world their own and were willing to throw anyone aside to do it. Now it’s our turn to overthrow the overthrowers. So lets get to it. Unfortunately we won’t know exactly what it is we are supposed to be doing now until the 20′s. Here’s to these days of ignorant anticipation, before we find ourselves.  *takes a drink of Mountain Dew Code Red.

      • Jonathan Fields

        `they are pissed. and rightly so’

        This itself is a gross oversimplification. A not-inconsiderable amount of these people are actually having a lot of fun in the midst of this trouble. If you knew what it was like in England, you would not be surprised that this is the case. 

        • Jin The Ninja

          perhaps an oversimplification, but by no means untrue.
          and if they are having “fun” – then by all means let them eat cake.

      • Daemonfae9

        “let’s not over simplify something or put it out of context shall we.”

        Funny, that is precisely what you just did.

        Be pissed all you like, don’t burn some poor innocent’s shop down, that makes you a moronic nihilist.

        Rebels without a clue.

        These are not heroes, these are unemployed scumbags with no jobs and 250 pound tracksuits that *I* can’t afford with my *job*.

        Stop glorifying these idiots, the government may be corrupt, but this is no better in any way or form.

        Your view is childish, immature, and makes me think you don’t understand how the world works all that well…

        • Jin The Ninja

          Who is proclaiming riotous actions as ‘heroic’?

          I certainly am not.

          “Rebels without a Clue” I don’t dispute that.

          Your charactertisation of the rioters was total classist and marginalising bullsh*t.
          So what if they’re from a council estate? They are the most disenfranchised amongst you!

          It may not be better than the standing Tory gov’t ( oh sorry “coalition” of the clueless and the rightards)

          the UK is in a serious economic depression- there aren’t jobs for the uneducated, poor and marginalised. The UK has a terrible problem with racism that has NEVER been addressed. It also continues it’s legacy of classism.

          Sounds like a pretty sick society to me. This is simply a manifestation of the disease, but it is not the root.

          Your views are ignorant, pedantic, and borderline (not to mention classist), It makes ME think you have no idea what is going on outside yourself.

    • Hadrian999

      they’ll be fine if they were smart and had insurance

      • NathanSpeller

        Seriously? Back Catalogues may not be replaceable. This is a cultural tragedy, not exactly on the scale of Alexandria or Florence…but an echo of it perhaps.

        • Hadrian999

          i was refering to the coffee shop comment not the records

          • NathanSpeller

            oh, my apologies Hadrian. 

        • BuzzCoastin

          everything has been digitized, only the plastic was lost, most of it was shite anyway

        • Its me the Jesus

          umm sorry to counter point, but we have digital copies these days and we can create some more vinyl so people can keep them in crates at home and brag to their other hipster friends about vinyl is better. Now unless they also get their hands on a huge electro magnetic bomb, we should be ok when it comes to music.

    • MeteoZE

      Nihilists? Fuck me.. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos.

  • 93_Qing

    Fuck this bullshit.  I just saw an Indian coffee shop owner, who worked his entire life to get that shop going, to see his life project being destroyed in one hour.
    That’s the tragedy of this whole entire situation.  A bunch of nihilists who only wish to be a vandal for a night, destroying entire lifes.

  • Anonymous

    The establishment pigs who have codified Britain’s long history of classism and racism?

    30 years of Thatcher’s ravenously lunatic free market policies probably don’t comfort them at night…

  • Anonymous

    tens of thousands of kids and twentysomethings in more than 5 cities are not nihilists.

    they are pissed. and rightly so.

    let’s not over simplify something or put it out of context shall we.

  • 93_Qing

    What strikes the eye with regard to other revolts in the past is the total absence of any positive prospect among the protesters.  I May 68 was a revolt with a utopian vision, the recent revolt was just an outburst with no pretense to any kind of positive vision – if the commonplace that “we live in a post-ideological era” has any sense, it is here.

  • Hadrian999

    they’ll be fine if they were smart and had insurance

  • Hadrian999

    it’s all cause and effect, you take people and bleed them dry, take away every chance they have of a future or a better life and there is nothing left to keep them in check. the upper class wants their yuppie lifestyle at the cost of grinding down the lower classes the they are going to deal with things like this. people with nothing are difficult to control.

    • Its me the Jesus

      its a natural disaster. Too many males born too fast and dont join the armed forces and bam they start acting like lightning hitting some dry foliage, from the lack of stimulation and appreciation.

  • Hadrian999

    it’s all cause and effect, you take people and bleed them dry, take away every chance they have of a future or a better life and there is nothing left to keep them in check. the upper class wants their yuppie lifestyle at the cost of grinding down the lower classes the they are going to deal with things like this. people with nothing are difficult to control.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously? Back Catalogues may not be replaceable. This is a cultural tragedy, not exactly on the scale of Alexandria or Florence…but an echo of it perhaps.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    I see what you did there

  • Hadrian999

    i was refering to the coffee shop comment not the records

  • 93_Qing

    While the whole “man, what a bunch of tugs” or even racist statements that this has to do with “multiculturalism failing”, indeed obscures the whole fact that we’re dealing with a societal issue of historical proportions, the typical bourgeois “oh but I understand what’s going on here, let me explain it to you over some wine while we put on some jazz”.
    “This is the sort of modernity that made us ill… This tolerance and largeur of the heart that “forgives” everything
    because it “understands”.” – F. Nietzsche
    Born and raised in a working class family that had to fight to keep bread on the table, I learned to loathe these types even more than the Tea baggers or any other type of fascist who looked down on the working class.  When it comes to it, these bourgies have nothing but disdain for the class they purport to champion.  I’d like to see it happen in their neighbourhoods.  Because that’s where the violence should be directed to.  We should know they belong to the class that supresses, and that their paternalist ‘caring’ is what keeps us from having a voice.
    Their feigned sympathy is nothing but a desperate need for integrity and authenticity in their lifestyle, to remain aloof.  It does not and will never bring about a working class revolt.  We don’t need their sympathy.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    everything has been digitized, only the plastic was lost, most of it was shite anyway

  • BuzzCoastin

    OMG did the Clash’s London Burning burn too?

    When governments slash and burn the social framework, the people tend to slash and burn in return. There will always be innocents caught in the middle. 

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    OMG did the Clash’s London Burning burn too?

    When governments slash and burn the social framework, the people tend to slash and burn in return. There will always be innocents caught in the middle. 

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    OMG did the Clash’s London Burning burn too?

    When governments slash and burn the social framework, the people tend to slash and burn in return. There will always be innocents caught in the middle. 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t quite think the May 68 movements were quite as utopian as you seem to believe, if for the sheer facts of history: those “revolutionaries” and peaceniks of the 1960s went on to become the neo-liberal capitalists of today.

    Nor do i think we are in a post-ideological age, i believe anger has transformed civil protest. I think they are mad at the system in general, and in that the colour of blood is blind.

  • Anonymous

    These aren’t bourgeois kids in the least, these are the poorest kids. we’re not talking working class, we’re talking the dole.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/10/over_1_000_arrested_in_uk

    watch that, it was a really good show today.

  • 93_Qing

    The ones who are now riotting sure aren’t upper middle class kids indeed.  Though I’ve heard about a lot of dickheads making use of the anarchy in the streets to get an iPad while they have the capital to buy it.  To bad those opportunists are hidden within the crowd.
    But I was alluding to the whole bourgie-blogosphere that has ‘sympathy’ and ‘understanding’ for this while most of them never done a damn thing in their life for this class.
    Thanks for the link!  Watching it now.

  • RoboKy
  • Anonymous

    I realised what you meant a bit AFTER i wrote my comment, so i apologise;)

  • Anonymous
  • MeteoZE

    Nihilists? Fuck me.. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos.

  • Anonymous

    oh, my apologies Hadrian. 

  • Anonymous

    I liked it too Jin you yes man ;p

  • Jonathan Fields

    `they are pissed. and rightly so’

    This itself is a gross oversimplification. A not-inconsiderable amount of these people are actually having a lot of fun in the midst of this trouble. If you knew what it was like in England, you would not be surprised that this is the case. 

  • 93_Qing

    I agree with you on how the 60′s generation turned out.  The generation today is resigned to the hypocrisy of those before them, who once sang songs of rebellion and now sell them back to us.
    It may be proof that a so-called ideological conviction is not enough for change.
    But concerning post-ideology, it’s a whole philosophical debate I won’t go into, but I do not think public anger is enough for the system to change.  That’s more like shock-therapy politics.

  • Anonymous

    perhaps an oversimplification, but by no means untrue.
    and if they are having “fun” – then by all means let them eat cake.

  • Anonymous

    If the ruling classes can use shock doctrine economics on us, i completely advocate a little electro shock for them. who knows maybe they’ll start to feel something other than greed.

  • medicine ball

    thanx, the idea just suddenly lit itself up and bam it was posted. I really had very little to do with it :D

  • medicine ball

    thanx, the idea just suddenly lit itself up and bam it was posted. I really had very little to do with it :D

  • medicine ball

    thanx, the idea just suddenly lit itself up and bam it was posted. I really had very little to do with it :D

  • medicine ball

    thanx, the idea just suddenly lit itself up and bam it was posted. I really had very little to do with it :D

  • Its me the Jesus

    umm sorry to counter point, but we have digital copies these days and we can create some more vinyl so people can keep them in crates at home and brag to their other hipster friends about vinyl is better. Now unless they also get their hands on a huge electro magnetic bomb, we should be ok when it comes to music.

  • Its me the Jesus

    its a natural disaster. Too many males born too fast and dont join the armed forces and bam they start acting like lightning hitting some dry foliage, from the lack of stimulation and appreciation.

  • Simiantongue

    Utopian ideals of the 60′s didn’t actually come into focus till the 70′s, or even the 80′s for some. In hindsight they looked back and said “Yeah, that’s exactly what we were trying to do at the time!”. But they are deceiving themselves mostly. At the time all anyone knew was that they were wanting to make the world their own and were willing to throw anyone aside to do it. Now it’s our turn to overthrow the overthrowers. So lets get to it. Unfortunately we won’t know exactly what it is we are supposed to be doing now until the 20′s. Here’s to these days of ignorant anticipation, before we find ourselves.  *takes a drink of Mountain Dew Code Red.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.bonanno666 John Bonanno

    A tragedy on the scale of the burning of the Library at Alexandria. Or maybe not. 

  • http://johnnyb93.blogspot.com/ johnbonanno

    A tragedy on the scale of the burning of the Library at Alexandria. Or maybe not. 

  • Pasteypete

    Good Indie sucks ass.

  • Pasteypete

    Good Indie sucks ass.

  • Martin

    Don’t care. Recorded music is a curse. Consider that Demis Roussos’s “My Friend the Wind” exists in perpetuity until and unless industrial civilization is ended. And burning down a fucking warehouse belonging to a multinational is a good place to start.

  • annoyed, glasgow

    this attitude really gets my goat. at the end of the day i know the people who this really affects. those people have been struggling from year to year to keep their collective labels afloat. they built them from the ground up, back when music used to mean something. just because an indie label has to have a bigger distributor means not that the lbel itself is “swindling” or has sold out. its unfortunate that publishers even exist, but thats just what has to be done for mass distribution. the artists affected have always had to work in bars to make ends meet. heres just a small list of careers in trouble. maybe you can show a little empathy for the little guy, you heartless fuck? arab strap, errors, mogwai, desalvo, belle and sebastian, a LOT of old 4AD bands who relied on their back catalogs like red house painters, cocteau twins etc. not to mention that one of the guys who owns a small glasgow label now has to close his doors after nearly 30 years of ups and downs, just because some tracksuited clown who doesnt know what he’s raging against decided to set a few fires? fuck you mate. you should be showing as much empathy for this as you do for the poor shop owner who’s business has burnt down.

  • Martin Hayes

    Don’t care. Recorded music is a curse. Consider that Demis Roussos’s “My Friend the Wind” exists in perpetuity until and unless industrial civilization is ended. And burning down a fucking warehouse belonging to a multinational is a good place to start.

  • Its me the Jesus

    screw labels period. its the same way dinosaur labels where born from struggling micro labels that were pioneering  some money making scheme from music recording. Want to make money from music? OPEN A VENUE, where musicians can do their work for real.

  • Daemonfae9

    And nothing of value was lost.

    Hipster rubbish

  • Daemonfae9

    And nothing of value was lost.

    Hipster rubbish

  • Daemonfae9

    And nothing of value was lost.

    Hipster rubbish

  • Daemonfae9

    And nothing of value was lost.

    Hipster rubbish

  • Daemonfae9

    “let’s not over simplify something or put it out of context shall we.”

    Funny, that is precisely what you just did.

    Be pissed all you like, don’t burn some poor innocent’s shop down, that makes you a moronic nihilist.

    Rebels without a clue.

    These are not heroes, these are unemployed scumbags with no jobs and 250 pound tracksuits that *I* can’t afford with my *job*.

    Stop glorifying these idiots, the government may be corrupt, but this is no better in any way or form.

    Your view is childish, immature, and makes me think you don’t understand how the world works all that well…

  • Anonymous

    Who is proclaiming riotous actions as ‘heroic’?

    I certainly am not.

    “Rebels without a Clue” I don’t dispute that.

    Your charactertisation of the rioters was total classist and marginalising bullsh*t.
    So what if they’re from a council estate? They are the most disenfranchised amongst you!

    It may not be better than the standing Tory gov’t ( oh sorry “coalition” of the clueless and the rightards)

    the UK is in a serious economic depression- there aren’t jobs for the uneducated, poor and marginalised. The UK has a terrible problem with racism that has NEVER been addressed. It also continues it’s legacy of classism.

    Sounds like a pretty sick society to me. This is simply a manifestation of the disease, but it is not the root.

    Your views are ignorant, pedantic, and borderline (not to mention classist), It makes ME think you have no idea what is going on outside yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Who is proclaiming riotous actions as ‘heroic’?

    I certainly am not.

    “Rebels without a Clue” I don’t dispute that.

    Your charactertisation of the rioters was total classist and marginalising bullsh*t.
    So what if they’re from a council estate? They are the most disenfranchised amongst you!

    It may not be better than the standing Tory gov’t ( oh sorry “coalition” of the clueless and the rightards)

    the UK is in a serious economic depression- there aren’t jobs for the uneducated, poor and marginalised. The UK has a terrible problem with racism that has NEVER been addressed. It also continues it’s legacy of classism.

    Sounds like a pretty sick society to me. This is simply a manifestation of the disease, but it is not the root.

    Your views are ignorant, pedantic, and borderline (not to mention classist), It makes ME think you have no idea what is going on outside yourself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elpolloloco52 Josh Adkisson

    The eggs you’re supposed to break are the oppressive elements in society. Explain to me how a distribution warehouse is an oppressive element in society? Or, put another way, who the fuck did they liberate by burning down that warehouse? The workers? I’ll tell you right now, those warehouse workers and shipping clerks, after this “insurrection” is over, are still going to live in a capitalist society, are still going to have to try to find a job, and are still going to be stuck with the same shitty wages. Nobody was helped or liberated by burning down the warehouse, because it was an act of tearing, and there will not be an act of building up to come after it. You can get a ton of people involved in this first part of an insurrection relatively easily, but, assuming success, no one will be around for the second part–the construction of a free and equal society. And unless somehow your so-called “insurrectionists” have more dedication to anarchist/socialist/communist ideals than meets the eye, these “insurrectionists” are a half-assed variety, and this “insurrection” will fail.

  • Holy fucking ghost
  • Tuna Ghost

     …back when music used to mean something.
    This attitude really gets my goat.  Elaborate, if you dare.  

    Also, I noticed you at no point addressed dude’s point about the insurance.  

  • annoyed glasgow

    “back when music used to mean someting”

    exactly what i said. back when record stores could still afford to run because people were still willing to spend money on physical items, back when we werent governed so much by corporate labels who practically own social networking sites pushing whatever diet pop is on offer – and believe me, in the nineties the little guy had a fighting chance at a career because publishing contracts and huge labels were willing to gamble instead of being unwilling to sign acts nowadaysunless the act is the most moldable cash cow they can find all under the ruse of “oh but piracy is destroying our huge billion dollar company, we need to play our cards close to our chest” – bollocks.
    which leads me on nicely to the insurance issue. rioting is seen as an act of god, there will be no insurance paid. however, IF there was insurance paid, the smaller labels wont see any of it based on the fact that the ones i mentioned are kept alive purely by their back catalog or slightly bigger artists ie mogwai. there is no insurance being paid for the smaller guys, the only point i was making is that you all may as well be laughing about/saying stuff like HAHA SONY LOL at a guy who owns a very small electronics store and has his Sony TVs looted and shop set on fire. its not about a little company being a whore and getting what they deserve. if you think that then you’re naive and heartless, and i hope your life’s work goes up in smoke someday, see how you feel. (not directed at you, Tuna, the last bit is for the other folk laughing about

  • benji

    what?

  • Tuna Ghost

    back when record stores could still afford to run because people were still willing to spend money on physical items

    People still buy vinyl, despite its obsolete format.  But really, what’s the point of whining about the digital trend?  It makes music easier to distribute and store.  What does any of this have to do with “meaning” in terms of what you wrote?

    back when we werent governed so much by corporate labels who practically own social networking sites pushing whatever diet pop is on offer

    Who is “we”, and how are we “governed”? Explain it to me in terms of process.  

    - and believe me, in the nineties the little guy had a fighting chance at a career because publishing contracts and huge labels were willing to gamble instead of being unwilling to sign acts nowadaysunless the act is the most moldable cash cow they can find

    Funny, because most of the musicians I have read interviews with on this topic say that this has been happening for many decades.  I just heard an interview with Lux Interior and Poison Ivy from The Cramps (obviously from a few years ago as Lux is now dead, god rest his soul) and they were talking about this very phenomena happening back in the 70′s and 80′s.  The “piracy” argument is just a new way to justify this behavior.  I don’t even think this is happening on a larger level than in the past, these days major labels don’t sign individual acts so much as just buying labels wholesale.

    rioting is seen as an act of god, there will be no insurance paid

    Um, arson is arson is arson, buddy.  I don’t think the insurance company will even try to deny that this was anything except vandalism/willful destruction of property.  

    IF there was insurance paid, the smaller labels wont see any of it based on the fact that the ones i mentioned are kept alive purely by their back catalog or slightly bigger artists ie mogwai. there is no insurance being paid for the smaller guys,

    …this makes me suspect you don’t really know how insurance claims are made and how insurance pays out.  Point is, if a label insured their property against vandalism and/or willful destruction, they will receive a settlement.  The back catalogs have mostly been digitized and can be re-written on vinyl.  The actual vintage records and covers have been destroyed, but the content is safe.  I’m not saying this isn’t a blow to a small company using the distribution center, but the situation is simply not as bleak as you’re making it out to be.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Jesus if that’s the case, I would sell out in a heartbeat

  • Tuna Ghost

    Jesus if that’s the case, I would sell out in a heartbeat

  • $4251815

    All of that horrible music lost forever. Oh, the huge manatee. This should give them time to learn to play their instruments and maybe come back with some tunes that don’t blow.

  • ZombieSlapper

    All of that horrible music lost forever. Oh, the huge manatee. This should give them time to learn to play their instruments and maybe come back with some tunes that don’t blow.