London Riot Fire Destroys Warehouse Containing 150 Indie Record Labels’ Inventory

piasukA creative tragedy of immense proportions in London, as a fire has wiped out a massive distribution warehouse that housed the physical stock of most of the U.K.’s seminal independent music labels. Some of the labels will cease to exist, and some may have lost their entire back catalogs of vinyl. Via Pitchfork:

A Sony distribution warehouse in North London was burned to the ground around during the third night of riots in the UK, as the BBC reports. The 200,000 square-foot center housed the entire inventory of PIAS UK, the primary distribution hub for more than 150 independent labels.

No injuries were reported in the blaze, but all inventory is feared lost. XL/Beggars, Warp, Rough Trade, Domino, 4AD, Sub Pop, Secretly Canadian, Jagjaguwar, Drag City, Thrill Jockey, FatCat, Kompakt, Mute, Ninja Tune, Vice, and Soul Jazz are among those affected.

121 Comments on "London Riot Fire Destroys Warehouse Containing 150 Indie Record Labels’ Inventory"

  1. Useless losers!!!  Who do they think are hurting?

  2. Useless losers!!!  Who do they think are hurting?

    • Jin The Ninja | Aug 10, 2011 at 7:29 pm |

      They aren’t losers, they have justifiable anger towards a system that has disenfranchised them.

      as for the second part of your question:

      The establishment pigs who have codified Britain’s long history of classism and racism?

      30 years of Thatcher’s ravenously lunatic free market policies probably don’t comfort them at night…

    • While the whole “man, what a bunch of tugs” or even racist statements that this has to do with “multiculturalism failing”, indeed obscures the whole fact that we’re dealing with a societal issue of historical proportions, the typical bourgeois “oh but I understand what’s going on here, let me explain it to you over some wine while we put on some jazz”.
      “This is the sort of modernity that made us ill… This tolerance and largeur of the heart that “forgives” everything
      because it “understands”.” – F. Nietzsche
      Born and raised in a working class family that had to fight to keep bread on the table, I learned to loathe these types even more than the Tea baggers or any other type of fascist who looked down on the working class.  When it comes to it, these bourgies have nothing but disdain for the class they purport to champion.  I’d like to see it happen in their neighbourhoods.  Because that’s where the violence should be directed to.  We should know they belong to the class that supresses, and that their paternalist ‘caring’ is what keeps us from having a voice.
      Their feigned sympathy is nothing but a desperate need for integrity and authenticity in their lifestyle, to remain aloof.  It does not and will never bring about a working class revolt.  We don’t need their sympathy.

      • Jin The Ninja | Aug 10, 2011 at 10:57 pm |

        , these are the poorest kids. we’re not talking working class, we’re talking the dole. so perhaps “bourgeois” sympathies are in fact genuine.

        http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/10/over_1_000_arrested_in_uk

        watch that, it was a really good show today.

        and he specifically addresses several of your points.

        • The ones who are now riotting sure aren’t upper middle class kids indeed.  Though I’ve heard about a lot of dickheads making use of the anarchy in the streets to get an iPad while they have the capital to buy it.  To bad those opportunists are hidden within the crowd.
          But I was alluding to the whole bourgie-blogosphere that has ‘sympathy’ and ‘understanding’ for this while most of them never done a damn thing in their life for this class.
          Thanks for the link!  Watching it now.

  3. medicine ball | Aug 10, 2011 at 7:52 pm |

    Illegally burning  cds

  4. medicine ball | Aug 10, 2011 at 3:52 pm |

    Illegally burning  cds

  5. Wastelandindustrial | Aug 10, 2011 at 8:18 pm |

    Burn down the disco. Hang the bless’d DJ

  6. Wastelandindustrial | Aug 10, 2011 at 4:18 pm |

    Burn down the disco. Hang the bless’d DJ

  7. Anonymous | Aug 10, 2011 at 8:45 pm |

    It is our turn, wake up America you are being pushed through Cultural Genocide, do not lie down.

  8. Investinourftre | Aug 10, 2011 at 4:45 pm |

    It is our turn, wake up America you are being pushed through Cultural Genocide, do not lie down.

  9. Why are “seminal independent music labels” storing their goods in a SONY warehouse?   Doesn’t sound very “independent” to me.

  10. Why are “seminal independent music labels” storing their goods in a SONY warehouse?   Doesn’t sound very “independent” to me.

    • Jin The Ninja | Aug 10, 2011 at 5:03 pm |

      i agree, but it’s a distribution warehouse.

      distribution is almost always controlled by major labels.

    • DING DING!  Because it’s the great “indie” swindle.  Make like you are unaffiliated with the big labels or any serious money to get the indie kid DIY cred, but you really ARE, otherwise how in the hell do you get a distro contract with PIAS/Sony?  Most of those labels distro’d by PIAS/Sony are funded by major labels and flush financial backers….if you check the PIAS website, they have an announcement that they’re working with Sony to get the distro up and running again within a weeks time.  The stock will be replaced by insurance that Sony and PIAS worker bees will have to chase, but in the meanwhile the pressing/distro deals that these labels should (and most likely do) have in place will mean that pressing is done on credit via the distro…so it’s not like these labels need to come up with the cash to repress all their stock.  Everyone is gonna be ok.  

      • mexican wizard | Aug 10, 2011 at 6:38 pm |

        if they are really indie they would be selling the cds themselves at their shows. 

      • annoyed, glasgow | Aug 11, 2011 at 8:48 am |

        this attitude really gets my goat. at the end of the day i know the people who this really affects. those people have been struggling from year to year to keep their collective labels afloat. they built them from the ground up, back when music used to mean something. just because an indie label has to have a bigger distributor means not that the lbel itself is “swindling” or has sold out. its unfortunate that publishers even exist, but thats just what has to be done for mass distribution. the artists affected have always had to work in bars to make ends meet. heres just a small list of careers in trouble. maybe you can show a little empathy for the little guy, you heartless fuck? arab strap, errors, mogwai, desalvo, belle and sebastian, a LOT of old 4AD bands who relied on their back catalogs like red house painters, cocteau twins etc. not to mention that one of the guys who owns a small glasgow label now has to close his doors after nearly 30 years of ups and downs, just because some tracksuited clown who doesnt know what he’s raging against decided to set a few fires? fuck you mate. you should be showing as much empathy for this as you do for the poor shop owner who’s business has burnt down.

        • Its me the Jesus | Aug 11, 2011 at 9:10 am |

          screw labels period. its the same way dinosaur labels where born from struggling micro labels that were pioneering  some money making scheme from music recording. Want to make money from music? OPEN A VENUE, where musicians can do their work for real.

        • Tuna Ghost | Aug 12, 2011 at 7:43 am |

           …back when music used to mean something.
          This attitude really gets my goat.  Elaborate, if you dare.  

          Also, I noticed you at no point addressed dude’s point about the insurance.  

          • annoyed glasgow | Aug 12, 2011 at 8:39 am |

            “back when music used to mean someting”

            exactly what i said. back when record stores could still afford to run because people were still willing to spend money on physical items, back when we werent governed so much by corporate labels who practically own social networking sites pushing whatever diet pop is on offer – and believe me, in the nineties the little guy had a fighting chance at a career because publishing contracts and huge labels were willing to gamble instead of being unwilling to sign acts nowadaysunless the act is the most moldable cash cow they can find all under the ruse of “oh but piracy is destroying our huge billion dollar company, we need to play our cards close to our chest” – bollocks.
            which leads me on nicely to the insurance issue. rioting is seen as an act of god, there will be no insurance paid. however, IF there was insurance paid, the smaller labels wont see any of it based on the fact that the ones i mentioned are kept alive purely by their back catalog or slightly bigger artists ie mogwai. there is no insurance being paid for the smaller guys, the only point i was making is that you all may as well be laughing about/saying stuff like HAHA SONY LOL at a guy who owns a very small electronics store and has his Sony TVs looted and shop set on fire. its not about a little company being a whore and getting what they deserve. if you think that then you’re naive and heartless, and i hope your life’s work goes up in smoke someday, see how you feel. (not directed at you, Tuna, the last bit is for the other folk laughing about

          • Tuna Ghost | Aug 12, 2011 at 10:59 am |

            back when record stores could still afford to run because people were still willing to spend money on physical items

            People still buy vinyl, despite its obsolete format.  But really, what’s the point of whining about the digital trend?  It makes music easier to distribute and store.  What does any of this have to do with “meaning” in terms of what you wrote?

            back when we werent governed so much by corporate labels who practically own social networking sites pushing whatever diet pop is on offer

            Who is “we”, and how are we “governed”? Explain it to me in terms of process.  

            – and believe me, in the nineties the little guy had a fighting chance at a career because publishing contracts and huge labels were willing to gamble instead of being unwilling to sign acts nowadaysunless the act is the most moldable cash cow they can find

            Funny, because most of the musicians I have read interviews with on this topic say that this has been happening for many decades.  I just heard an interview with Lux Interior and Poison Ivy from The Cramps (obviously from a few years ago as Lux is now dead, god rest his soul) and they were talking about this very phenomena happening back in the 70’s and 80’s.  The “piracy” argument is just a new way to justify this behavior.  I don’t even think this is happening on a larger level than in the past, these days major labels don’t sign individual acts so much as just buying labels wholesale.

            rioting is seen as an act of god, there will be no insurance paid

            Um, arson is arson is arson, buddy.  I don’t think the insurance company will even try to deny that this was anything except vandalism/willful destruction of property.  

            IF there was insurance paid, the smaller labels wont see any of it based on the fact that the ones i mentioned are kept alive purely by their back catalog or slightly bigger artists ie mogwai. there is no insurance being paid for the smaller guys,

            …this makes me suspect you don’t really know how insurance claims are made and how insurance pays out.  Point is, if a label insured their property against vandalism and/or willful destruction, they will receive a settlement.  The back catalogs have mostly been digitized and can be re-written on vinyl.  The actual vintage records and covers have been destroyed, but the content is safe.  I’m not saying this isn’t a blow to a small company using the distribution center, but the situation is simply not as bleak as you’re making it out to be.

  11. Anonymous | Aug 10, 2011 at 9:03 pm |

    i agree, but it’s a distribution warehouse.

    distribution is almost always controlled by major labels.

  12. Anonymous | Aug 10, 2011 at 9:14 pm |

    Insurance fraud.

  13. Insurance fraud.

  14. nukepineisland | Aug 10, 2011 at 9:16 pm |

    The young Brits whom lit the fires are not rioters they are insurrectionists.

    And if you want to make a omelet you gotta break some eggs.

  15. nukepineisland | Aug 10, 2011 at 5:16 pm |

    The young Brits whom lit the fires are not rioters they are insurrectionists.

    And if you want to make a omelet you gotta break some eggs.

    • The eggs you’re supposed to break are the oppressive elements in society. Explain to me how a distribution warehouse is an oppressive element in society? Or, put another way, who the fuck did they liberate by burning down that warehouse? The workers? I’ll tell you right now, those warehouse workers and shipping clerks, after this “insurrection” is over, are still going to live in a capitalist society, are still going to have to try to find a job, and are still going to be stuck with the same shitty wages. Nobody was helped or liberated by burning down the warehouse, because it was an act of tearing, and there will not be an act of building up to come after it. You can get a ton of people involved in this first part of an insurrection relatively easily, but, assuming success, no one will be around for the second part–the construction of a free and equal society. And unless somehow your so-called “insurrectionists” have more dedication to anarchist/socialist/communist ideals than meets the eye, these “insurrectionists” are a half-assed variety, and this “insurrection” will fail.

  16. that’s what you get dealing with Sony distribution… HA HA !

  17. that’s what you get dealing with Sony distribution… HA HA !

  18. DING DING!  Because it’s the great “indie” swindle.  Make like you are unaffiliated with the big labels or any serious money to get the indie kid DIY cred, but you really ARE, otherwise how in the hell do you get a distro contract with PIAS/Sony?  Most of those labels distro’d by PIAS/Sony are funded by major labels and flush financial backers….if you check the PIAS website, they have an announcement that they’re working with Sony to get the distro up and running again within a weeks time.  The stock will be replaced by insurance that Sony and PIAS worker bees will have to chase, but in the meanwhile the pressing/distro deals that these labels should (and most likely do) have in place will mean that pressing is done on credit via the distro…so it’s not like these labels need to come up with the cash to repress all their stock.  Everyone is gonna be ok.  

  19. mexican wizard | Aug 10, 2011 at 10:38 pm |

    if they are really indie they would be selling the cds themselves at their shows. 

  20. mexican wizard | Aug 10, 2011 at 10:39 pm |

    at least they dont get tornadoes. I blame their awful food for the violence 

  21. mexican wizard | Aug 10, 2011 at 6:39 pm |

    at least they dont get tornadoes. I blame their awful food for the violence 

  22. Fuck this bullshit.  I just saw an Indian coffee shop owner, who worked his entire life to get that shop going, to see his life project being destroyed in one hour.
    That’s the tragedy of this whole entire situation.  A bunch of nihilists who only wish to be a vandal for a night, destroying entire lifes.

  23. Fuck this bullshit.  I just saw an Indian coffee shop owner, who worked his entire life to get that shop going, to see his life project being destroyed in one hour.
    That’s the tragedy of this whole entire situation.  A bunch of nihilists who only wish to be a vandal for a night, destroying entire lifes.

    • Jin The Ninja | Aug 10, 2011 at 7:31 pm |

      tens of thousands of kids and twentysomethings in more than 5 cities are not nihilists.

      they are pissed. and rightly so.

      let’s not over simplify something or put it out of context shall we.

      • What strikes the eye with regard to other revolts in the past is the total absence of any positive prospect among the protesters.  I May 68 was a revolt with a utopian vision, the recent revolt was just an outburst with no pretense to any kind of positive vision – if the commonplace that “we live in a post-ideological era” has any sense, it is here.

        • Jin The Ninja | Aug 10, 2011 at 10:53 pm |

          I don’t quite think the May 68 movements were quite as utopian as you seem to believe, if for the sheer facts of history: those “revolutionaries” and peaceniks of the 1960s went on to become the neo-liberal capitalists of today.

          Nor do i think we are in a post-ideological age, i believe anger has transformed civil protest. I think they are mad at the system in general, and in that the colour of blood is blind.

          • I agree with you on how the 60’s generation turned out.  The generation today is resigned to the hypocrisy of those before them, who once sang songs of rebellion and now sell them back to us.
            It may be proof that a so-called ideological conviction is not enough for change.
            But concerning post-ideology, it’s a whole philosophical debate I won’t go into, but I do not think public anger is enough for the system to change.  That’s more like shock-therapy politics.

          • Jin The Ninja | Aug 11, 2011 at 1:54 am |

            If the ruling classes can use shock doctrine economics on us, i completely advocate a little electro shock for them. who knows maybe they’ll start to feel something other than greed.

        • Simiantongue | Aug 11, 2011 at 3:59 am |

          Utopian ideals of the 60’s didn’t actually come into focus till the 70’s, or even the 80’s for some. In hindsight they looked back and said “Yeah, that’s exactly what we were trying to do at the time!”. But they are deceiving themselves mostly. At the time all anyone knew was that they were wanting to make the world their own and were willing to throw anyone aside to do it. Now it’s our turn to overthrow the overthrowers. So lets get to it. Unfortunately we won’t know exactly what it is we are supposed to be doing now until the 20’s. Here’s to these days of ignorant anticipation, before we find ourselves.  *takes a drink of Mountain Dew Code Red.

      • Jonathan Fields | Aug 11, 2011 at 12:49 am |

        `they are pissed. and rightly so’

        This itself is a gross oversimplification. A not-inconsiderable amount of these people are actually having a lot of fun in the midst of this trouble. If you knew what it was like in England, you would not be surprised that this is the case. 

        • Jin The Ninja | Aug 11, 2011 at 1:38 am |

          perhaps an oversimplification, but by no means untrue.
          and if they are having “fun” – then by all means let them eat cake.

      • Daemonfae9 | Aug 11, 2011 at 10:09 am |

        “let’s not over simplify something or put it out of context shall we.”

        Funny, that is precisely what you just did.

        Be pissed all you like, don’t burn some poor innocent’s shop down, that makes you a moronic nihilist.

        Rebels without a clue.

        These are not heroes, these are unemployed scumbags with no jobs and 250 pound tracksuits that *I* can’t afford with my *job*.

        Stop glorifying these idiots, the government may be corrupt, but this is no better in any way or form.

        Your view is childish, immature, and makes me think you don’t understand how the world works all that well…

        • Jin The Ninja | Aug 11, 2011 at 11:43 am |

          Who is proclaiming riotous actions as ‘heroic’?

          I certainly am not.

          “Rebels without a Clue” I don’t dispute that.

          Your charactertisation of the rioters was total classist and marginalising bullsh*t.
          So what if they’re from a council estate? They are the most disenfranchised amongst you!

          It may not be better than the standing Tory gov’t ( oh sorry “coalition” of the clueless and the rightards)

          the UK is in a serious economic depression- there aren’t jobs for the uneducated, poor and marginalised. The UK has a terrible problem with racism that has NEVER been addressed. It also continues it’s legacy of classism.

          Sounds like a pretty sick society to me. This is simply a manifestation of the disease, but it is not the root.

          Your views are ignorant, pedantic, and borderline (not to mention classist), It makes ME think you have no idea what is going on outside yourself.

    • Hadrian999 | Aug 10, 2011 at 8:04 pm |

      they’ll be fine if they were smart and had insurance

      • NathanSpeller | Aug 10, 2011 at 9:46 pm |

        Seriously? Back Catalogues may not be replaceable. This is a cultural tragedy, not exactly on the scale of Alexandria or Florence…but an echo of it perhaps.

        • Hadrian999 | Aug 10, 2011 at 9:59 pm |

          i was refering to the coffee shop comment not the records

        • BuzzCoastin | Aug 10, 2011 at 10:15 pm |

          everything has been digitized, only the plastic was lost, most of it was shite anyway

        • Its me the Jesus | Aug 11, 2011 at 2:47 am |

          umm sorry to counter point, but we have digital copies these days and we can create some more vinyl so people can keep them in crates at home and brag to their other hipster friends about vinyl is better. Now unless they also get their hands on a huge electro magnetic bomb, we should be ok when it comes to music.

    • Nihilists? Fuck me.. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos.

  24. Anonymous | Aug 10, 2011 at 11:29 pm |

    The establishment pigs who have codified Britain’s long history of classism and racism?

    30 years of Thatcher’s ravenously lunatic free market policies probably don’t comfort them at night…

  25. Anonymous | Aug 10, 2011 at 11:31 pm |

    tens of thousands of kids and twentysomethings in more than 5 cities are not nihilists.

    they are pissed. and rightly so.

    let’s not over simplify something or put it out of context shall we.

  26. What strikes the eye with regard to other revolts in the past is the total absence of any positive prospect among the protesters.  I May 68 was a revolt with a utopian vision, the recent revolt was just an outburst with no pretense to any kind of positive vision – if the commonplace that “we live in a post-ideological era” has any sense, it is here.

  27. Hadrian999 | Aug 11, 2011 at 12:04 am |

    they’ll be fine if they were smart and had insurance

  28. Hadrian999 | Aug 11, 2011 at 12:28 am |

    it’s all cause and effect, you take people and bleed them dry, take away every chance they have of a future or a better life and there is nothing left to keep them in check. the upper class wants their yuppie lifestyle at the cost of grinding down the lower classes the they are going to deal with things like this. people with nothing are difficult to control.

  29. Hadrian999 | Aug 10, 2011 at 8:28 pm |

    it’s all cause and effect, you take people and bleed them dry, take away every chance they have of a future or a better life and there is nothing left to keep them in check. the upper class wants their yuppie lifestyle at the cost of grinding down the lower classes the they are going to deal with things like this. people with nothing are difficult to control.

    • Its me the Jesus | Aug 11, 2011 at 2:51 am |

      its a natural disaster. Too many males born too fast and dont join the armed forces and bam they start acting like lightning hitting some dry foliage, from the lack of stimulation and appreciation.

  30. Anonymous | Aug 11, 2011 at 1:46 am |

    Seriously? Back Catalogues may not be replaceable. This is a cultural tragedy, not exactly on the scale of Alexandria or Florence…but an echo of it perhaps.

  31. I see what you did there

  32. Hadrian999 | Aug 11, 2011 at 1:59 am |

    i was refering to the coffee shop comment not the records

  33. While the whole “man, what a bunch of tugs” or even racist statements that this has to do with “multiculturalism failing”, indeed obscures the whole fact that we’re dealing with a societal issue of historical proportions, the typical bourgeois “oh but I understand what’s going on here, let me explain it to you over some wine while we put on some jazz”.
    “This is the sort of modernity that made us ill… This tolerance and largeur of the heart that “forgives” everything
    because it “understands”.” – F. Nietzsche
    Born and raised in a working class family that had to fight to keep bread on the table, I learned to loathe these types even more than the Tea baggers or any other type of fascist who looked down on the working class.  When it comes to it, these bourgies have nothing but disdain for the class they purport to champion.  I’d like to see it happen in their neighbourhoods.  Because that’s where the violence should be directed to.  We should know they belong to the class that supresses, and that their paternalist ‘caring’ is what keeps us from having a voice.
    Their feigned sympathy is nothing but a desperate need for integrity and authenticity in their lifestyle, to remain aloof.  It does not and will never bring about a working class revolt.  We don’t need their sympathy.

  34. everything has been digitized, only the plastic was lost, most of it was shite anyway

  35. OMG did the Clash’s London Burning burn too?

    When governments slash and burn the social framework, the people tend to slash and burn in return. There will always be innocents caught in the middle. 

  36. OMG did the Clash’s London Burning burn too?

    When governments slash and burn the social framework, the people tend to slash and burn in return. There will always be innocents caught in the middle. 

  37. BuzzCoastin | Aug 10, 2011 at 10:23 pm |

    OMG did the Clash’s London Burning burn too?

    When governments slash and burn the social framework, the people tend to slash and burn in return. There will always be innocents caught in the middle. 

  38. Anonymous | Aug 11, 2011 at 2:53 am |

    I don’t quite think the May 68 movements were quite as utopian as you seem to believe, if for the sheer facts of history: those “revolutionaries” and peaceniks of the 1960s went on to become the neo-liberal capitalists of today.

    Nor do i think we are in a post-ideological age, i believe anger has transformed civil protest. I think they are mad at the system in general, and in that the colour of blood is blind.

  39. Anonymous | Aug 11, 2011 at 2:57 am |

    These aren’t bourgeois kids in the least, these are the poorest kids. we’re not talking working class, we’re talking the dole.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/10/over_1_000_arrested_in_uk

    watch that, it was a really good show today.

  40. The ones who are now riotting sure aren’t upper middle class kids indeed.  Though I’ve heard about a lot of dickheads making use of the anarchy in the streets to get an iPad while they have the capital to buy it.  To bad those opportunists are hidden within the crowd.
    But I was alluding to the whole bourgie-blogosphere that has ‘sympathy’ and ‘understanding’ for this while most of them never done a damn thing in their life for this class.
    Thanks for the link!  Watching it now.

  41. Anonymous | Aug 11, 2011 at 3:12 am |

    I realised what you meant a bit AFTER i wrote my comment, so i apologise;)

  42. Nihilists? Fuck me.. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos.

  43. Anonymous | Aug 11, 2011 at 4:01 am |

    oh, my apologies Hadrian. 

  44. Anonymous | Aug 11, 2011 at 4:47 am |

    I liked it too Jin you yes man ;p

  45. Jonathan Fields | Aug 11, 2011 at 4:49 am |

    `they are pissed. and rightly so’

    This itself is a gross oversimplification. A not-inconsiderable amount of these people are actually having a lot of fun in the midst of this trouble. If you knew what it was like in England, you would not be surprised that this is the case. 

  46. I agree with you on how the 60’s generation turned out.  The generation today is resigned to the hypocrisy of those before them, who once sang songs of rebellion and now sell them back to us.
    It may be proof that a so-called ideological conviction is not enough for change.
    But concerning post-ideology, it’s a whole philosophical debate I won’t go into, but I do not think public anger is enough for the system to change.  That’s more like shock-therapy politics.

  47. Anonymous | Aug 11, 2011 at 5:38 am |

    perhaps an oversimplification, but by no means untrue.
    and if they are having “fun” – then by all means let them eat cake.

  48. Anonymous | Aug 11, 2011 at 5:54 am |

    If the ruling classes can use shock doctrine economics on us, i completely advocate a little electro shock for them. who knows maybe they’ll start to feel something other than greed.

  49. medicine ball | Aug 11, 2011 at 6:35 am |

    thanx, the idea just suddenly lit itself up and bam it was posted. I really had very little to do with it 😀

  50. medicine ball | Aug 11, 2011 at 6:35 am |

    thanx, the idea just suddenly lit itself up and bam it was posted. I really had very little to do with it 😀

  51. medicine ball | Aug 11, 2011 at 6:35 am |

    thanx, the idea just suddenly lit itself up and bam it was posted. I really had very little to do with it 😀

  52. medicine ball | Aug 11, 2011 at 6:35 am |

    thanx, the idea just suddenly lit itself up and bam it was posted. I really had very little to do with it 😀

  53. Its me the Jesus | Aug 11, 2011 at 6:47 am |

    umm sorry to counter point, but we have digital copies these days and we can create some more vinyl so people can keep them in crates at home and brag to their other hipster friends about vinyl is better. Now unless they also get their hands on a huge electro magnetic bomb, we should be ok when it comes to music.

  54. Its me the Jesus | Aug 11, 2011 at 6:51 am |

    its a natural disaster. Too many males born too fast and dont join the armed forces and bam they start acting like lightning hitting some dry foliage, from the lack of stimulation and appreciation.

  55. Simiantongue | Aug 11, 2011 at 7:59 am |

    Utopian ideals of the 60’s didn’t actually come into focus till the 70’s, or even the 80’s for some. In hindsight they looked back and said “Yeah, that’s exactly what we were trying to do at the time!”. But they are deceiving themselves mostly. At the time all anyone knew was that they were wanting to make the world their own and were willing to throw anyone aside to do it. Now it’s our turn to overthrow the overthrowers. So lets get to it. Unfortunately we won’t know exactly what it is we are supposed to be doing now until the 20’s. Here’s to these days of ignorant anticipation, before we find ourselves.  *takes a drink of Mountain Dew Code Red.

  56. A tragedy on the scale of the burning of the Library at Alexandria. Or maybe not. 

  57. A tragedy on the scale of the burning of the Library at Alexandria. Or maybe not. 

  58. Pasteypete | Aug 11, 2011 at 12:18 pm |

    Good Indie sucks ass.

  59. Pasteypete | Aug 11, 2011 at 8:18 am |

    Good Indie sucks ass.

  60. Don’t care. Recorded music is a curse. Consider that Demis Roussos’s “My Friend the Wind” exists in perpetuity until and unless industrial civilization is ended. And burning down a fucking warehouse belonging to a multinational is a good place to start.

  61. annoyed, glasgow | Aug 11, 2011 at 12:48 pm |

    this attitude really gets my goat. at the end of the day i know the people who this really affects. those people have been struggling from year to year to keep their collective labels afloat. they built them from the ground up, back when music used to mean something. just because an indie label has to have a bigger distributor means not that the lbel itself is “swindling” or has sold out. its unfortunate that publishers even exist, but thats just what has to be done for mass distribution. the artists affected have always had to work in bars to make ends meet. heres just a small list of careers in trouble. maybe you can show a little empathy for the little guy, you heartless fuck? arab strap, errors, mogwai, desalvo, belle and sebastian, a LOT of old 4AD bands who relied on their back catalogs like red house painters, cocteau twins etc. not to mention that one of the guys who owns a small glasgow label now has to close his doors after nearly 30 years of ups and downs, just because some tracksuited clown who doesnt know what he’s raging against decided to set a few fires? fuck you mate. you should be showing as much empathy for this as you do for the poor shop owner who’s business has burnt down.

  62. Martin Hayes | Aug 11, 2011 at 8:48 am |

    Don’t care. Recorded music is a curse. Consider that Demis Roussos’s “My Friend the Wind” exists in perpetuity until and unless industrial civilization is ended. And burning down a fucking warehouse belonging to a multinational is a good place to start.

  63. Its me the Jesus | Aug 11, 2011 at 1:10 pm |

    screw labels period. its the same way dinosaur labels where born from struggling micro labels that were pioneering  some money making scheme from music recording. Want to make money from music? OPEN A VENUE, where musicians can do their work for real.

  64. Daemonfae9 | Aug 11, 2011 at 2:03 pm |

    And nothing of value was lost.

    Hipster rubbish

  65. Daemonfae9 | Aug 11, 2011 at 2:03 pm |

    And nothing of value was lost.

    Hipster rubbish

  66. Daemonfae9 | Aug 11, 2011 at 2:03 pm |

    And nothing of value was lost.

    Hipster rubbish

  67. Daemonfae9 | Aug 11, 2011 at 10:03 am |

    And nothing of value was lost.

    Hipster rubbish

  68. Daemonfae9 | Aug 11, 2011 at 2:09 pm |

    “let’s not over simplify something or put it out of context shall we.”

    Funny, that is precisely what you just did.

    Be pissed all you like, don’t burn some poor innocent’s shop down, that makes you a moronic nihilist.

    Rebels without a clue.

    These are not heroes, these are unemployed scumbags with no jobs and 250 pound tracksuits that *I* can’t afford with my *job*.

    Stop glorifying these idiots, the government may be corrupt, but this is no better in any way or form.

    Your view is childish, immature, and makes me think you don’t understand how the world works all that well…

  69. Anonymous | Aug 11, 2011 at 3:43 pm |

    Who is proclaiming riotous actions as ‘heroic’?

    I certainly am not.

    “Rebels without a Clue” I don’t dispute that.

    Your charactertisation of the rioters was total classist and marginalising bullsh*t.
    So what if they’re from a council estate? They are the most disenfranchised amongst you!

    It may not be better than the standing Tory gov’t ( oh sorry “coalition” of the clueless and the rightards)

    the UK is in a serious economic depression- there aren’t jobs for the uneducated, poor and marginalised. The UK has a terrible problem with racism that has NEVER been addressed. It also continues it’s legacy of classism.

    Sounds like a pretty sick society to me. This is simply a manifestation of the disease, but it is not the root.

    Your views are ignorant, pedantic, and borderline (not to mention classist), It makes ME think you have no idea what is going on outside yourself.

  70. Anonymous | Aug 11, 2011 at 3:43 pm |

    Who is proclaiming riotous actions as ‘heroic’?

    I certainly am not.

    “Rebels without a Clue” I don’t dispute that.

    Your charactertisation of the rioters was total classist and marginalising bullsh*t.
    So what if they’re from a council estate? They are the most disenfranchised amongst you!

    It may not be better than the standing Tory gov’t ( oh sorry “coalition” of the clueless and the rightards)

    the UK is in a serious economic depression- there aren’t jobs for the uneducated, poor and marginalised. The UK has a terrible problem with racism that has NEVER been addressed. It also continues it’s legacy of classism.

    Sounds like a pretty sick society to me. This is simply a manifestation of the disease, but it is not the root.

    Your views are ignorant, pedantic, and borderline (not to mention classist), It makes ME think you have no idea what is going on outside yourself.

  71. The eggs you’re supposed to break are the oppressive elements in society. Explain to me how a distribution warehouse is an oppressive element in society? Or, put another way, who the fuck did they liberate by burning down that warehouse? The workers? I’ll tell you right now, those warehouse workers and shipping clerks, after this “insurrection” is over, are still going to live in a capitalist society, are still going to have to try to find a job, and are still going to be stuck with the same shitty wages. Nobody was helped or liberated by burning down the warehouse, because it was an act of tearing, and there will not be an act of building up to come after it. You can get a ton of people involved in this first part of an insurrection relatively easily, but, assuming success, no one will be around for the second part–the construction of a free and equal society. And unless somehow your so-called “insurrectionists” have more dedication to anarchist/socialist/communist ideals than meets the eye, these “insurrectionists” are a half-assed variety, and this “insurrection” will fail.

  72. Tuna Ghost | Aug 12, 2011 at 11:43 am |

     …back when music used to mean something.
    This attitude really gets my goat.  Elaborate, if you dare.  

    Also, I noticed you at no point addressed dude’s point about the insurance.  

  73. annoyed glasgow | Aug 12, 2011 at 12:39 pm |

    “back when music used to mean someting”

    exactly what i said. back when record stores could still afford to run because people were still willing to spend money on physical items, back when we werent governed so much by corporate labels who practically own social networking sites pushing whatever diet pop is on offer – and believe me, in the nineties the little guy had a fighting chance at a career because publishing contracts and huge labels were willing to gamble instead of being unwilling to sign acts nowadaysunless the act is the most moldable cash cow they can find all under the ruse of “oh but piracy is destroying our huge billion dollar company, we need to play our cards close to our chest” – bollocks.
    which leads me on nicely to the insurance issue. rioting is seen as an act of god, there will be no insurance paid. however, IF there was insurance paid, the smaller labels wont see any of it based on the fact that the ones i mentioned are kept alive purely by their back catalog or slightly bigger artists ie mogwai. there is no insurance being paid for the smaller guys, the only point i was making is that you all may as well be laughing about/saying stuff like HAHA SONY LOL at a guy who owns a very small electronics store and has his Sony TVs looted and shop set on fire. its not about a little company being a whore and getting what they deserve. if you think that then you’re naive and heartless, and i hope your life’s work goes up in smoke someday, see how you feel. (not directed at you, Tuna, the last bit is for the other folk laughing about

  74. what?

  75. Tuna Ghost | Aug 12, 2011 at 2:59 pm |

    back when record stores could still afford to run because people were still willing to spend money on physical items

    People still buy vinyl, despite its obsolete format.  But really, what’s the point of whining about the digital trend?  It makes music easier to distribute and store.  What does any of this have to do with “meaning” in terms of what you wrote?

    back when we werent governed so much by corporate labels who practically own social networking sites pushing whatever diet pop is on offer

    Who is “we”, and how are we “governed”? Explain it to me in terms of process.  

    – and believe me, in the nineties the little guy had a fighting chance at a career because publishing contracts and huge labels were willing to gamble instead of being unwilling to sign acts nowadaysunless the act is the most moldable cash cow they can find

    Funny, because most of the musicians I have read interviews with on this topic say that this has been happening for many decades.  I just heard an interview with Lux Interior and Poison Ivy from The Cramps (obviously from a few years ago as Lux is now dead, god rest his soul) and they were talking about this very phenomena happening back in the 70’s and 80’s.  The “piracy” argument is just a new way to justify this behavior.  I don’t even think this is happening on a larger level than in the past, these days major labels don’t sign individual acts so much as just buying labels wholesale.

    rioting is seen as an act of god, there will be no insurance paid

    Um, arson is arson is arson, buddy.  I don’t think the insurance company will even try to deny that this was anything except vandalism/willful destruction of property.  

    IF there was insurance paid, the smaller labels wont see any of it based on the fact that the ones i mentioned are kept alive purely by their back catalog or slightly bigger artists ie mogwai. there is no insurance being paid for the smaller guys,

    …this makes me suspect you don’t really know how insurance claims are made and how insurance pays out.  Point is, if a label insured their property against vandalism and/or willful destruction, they will receive a settlement.  The back catalogs have mostly been digitized and can be re-written on vinyl.  The actual vintage records and covers have been destroyed, but the content is safe.  I’m not saying this isn’t a blow to a small company using the distribution center, but the situation is simply not as bleak as you’re making it out to be.

  76. Tuna Ghost | Aug 12, 2011 at 3:00 pm |

    Jesus if that’s the case, I would sell out in a heartbeat

  77. Tuna Ghost | Aug 12, 2011 at 3:00 pm |

    Jesus if that’s the case, I would sell out in a heartbeat

  78. ZombieSlapper | Aug 26, 2011 at 1:21 am |

    All of that horrible music lost forever. Oh, the huge manatee. This should give them time to learn to play their instruments and maybe come back with some tunes that don’t blow.

  79. All of that horrible music lost forever. Oh, the huge manatee. This should give them time to learn to play their instruments and maybe come back with some tunes that don’t blow.

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