Internet Billionaire Wants to Create ‘Libertarian’ Islands

Freedom IslandVia the NY Daily News:

Peter Thiel has made his fortune by being part of the next big thing: He was a co-founder of Paypal and one of the early investors of Facebook. But a new Details profile sums up his new plans: “Forget startup companies. The next frontier is startup countries.”

Thiel has donated $1.25 million to the Seasteading Institute, the brainchild of Patri Friedman, a former Google engineer and grandson of economist Milton Friedman. Here’s the gist: creation of libertarian, sovereign nations built on oil-rig-type platforms anchored in international waters and free from the laws and moral codes of any other country.

Plans for the prototype include a movable, diesel-powered 12,000-ton structure that could house 270 residents. The goal would be to eventually link hundreds of the structures together. Friedman’s timeline is to launch offices off San Francisco next year, get a full-time settlement within seven years and eventually diplomatic recognition from the UN.

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117 Responses to Internet Billionaire Wants to Create ‘Libertarian’ Islands

  1. David Zuccaro August 18, 2011 at 1:54 am #

    Nice idea. Peter Thielis a member of the bilderberg group however.

  2. David Zuccaro August 18, 2011 at 5:54 am #

    Nice idea. Peter Thielis a member of the bilderberg group however.

  3. Tony Traverso August 18, 2011 at 1:56 am #

    this project seems a little Zeitgeistish

    • ICE August 18, 2011 at 9:35 am #

      and your comment seems a little lame 

  4. Tony Traverso August 18, 2011 at 5:56 am #

    this project seems a little Zeitgeistish

  5. Altprimus August 18, 2011 at 2:01 am #

    Bioshock?

    • DeepCough August 18, 2011 at 2:02 am #

      Dammit, that’s what I was gonna say!

      • Carlos Panzram August 18, 2011 at 12:57 pm #

        Beat me too!

        • ICE August 18, 2011 at 3:42 pm #

          The coveted one word relevant comment. 

    • Adam August 20, 2011 at 1:03 pm #

      Watch out for Big Daddy…

  6. Altprimus August 18, 2011 at 6:01 am #

    Bioshock?

  7. DeepCough August 18, 2011 at 6:02 am #

    Dammit, that’s what I was gonna say!

  8. Hadrian999 August 18, 2011 at 2:12 am #

    interesting idea but where would they get their food, what would their business and industry be, they pretty much have to be powered by a reactor , how would these be sustainable and not just bazaar vacation destinations

  9. Hadrian999 August 18, 2011 at 6:12 am #

    interesting idea but where would they get their food, what would their business and industry be, they pretty much have to be powered by a reactor , how would these be sustainable and not just bazaar vacation destinations

  10. Hadrian999 August 18, 2011 at 6:12 am #

    interesting idea but where would they get their food, what would their business and industry be, they pretty much have to be powered by a reactor , how would these be sustainable and not just bazaar vacation destinations

  11. NextLvlNow August 18, 2011 at 2:16 am #

    Wow.  He should hook up with Jacque Fresco and the Venus project.  It could be a great to to build the first prototype city(s) and test drive the new sustainable world system. 
     www.thevenusproject.com  

    • Anarchy Pony August 18, 2011 at 5:32 pm #

      I’m pretty sure the venus project is more in a socialistic vain. So no, they won’t be on board.

  12. NextLvlNow August 18, 2011 at 6:16 am #

    Wow.  He should hook up with Jacque Fresco and the Venus project.  It could be a great to to build the first prototype city(s) and test drive the new sustainable world system. 
     www.thevenusproject.com  

  13. Okarin August 18, 2011 at 2:21 am #

    if hollywood has taught us anything, is that after a few years of utopia all contact was lost, a search and rescue team was sent to find out what happened and they would have never guess what they would find, coming to theaters in 2030

  14. Okarin August 18, 2011 at 6:21 am #

    if hollywood has taught us anything, is that after a few years of utopia all contact was lost, a search and rescue team was sent to find out what happened and they would have never guess what they would find, coming to theaters in 2030

  15. Vorgon August 18, 2011 at 5:41 am #

    Okay, so let’s imagine how this would work. You have this commune for billionaires which lets them do what they want as well as hoovering away taxes from larger older states. Some of these states might get pissed off and blockade the island. Or perhaps attack them. Hence the libertarians need to buy in military support and a navy. It is unlikely Mr Thiel will be cleaning toilets or delivering babies so the libby types would also require lots of workers. Now, here’s the thing – if its free from ‘laws and moral codes’ of other states then what it to stop the new workers killing all the billionaires and taking their stuff? Or the billionaires from molesting the worker’s daughters? We’ll have to introduce a legal system, too (there’s bound to be rich laywers there). Plus those workers might always revolt when the commune is big enough so we’ll need some manner of police force as well. How to pay for this? Well the billionaires could make a voluntary contribution, but its a tad unfair if only a few do it, so perhaps the commune will instigate a fee of some type that the rich pay each year as the price of living free of evil statists. The fee might be called a ‘tax’. But then its also unfair for the rich to pay all the fees, so they’ll ‘tax’ the workers also – after all they can’t just print money out of thin air (especially as they have no natural resources to sell in lieu of currency value). Then as the workers outnumber the rich there will be a clamour for extra laws to protect them – perhaps the workers are fed up with the rich paying peanuts, or more likely they don’t like the perverted things the rich do to their daughters. Then what happens if outside states don’t play ball and don’t attack but put up the cost of food or weapons or air travel? Sure the billionaires could afford it, but could their workers? Pretty soon the fees will escalate, wages will go up, the laws will get more complex and the rich won’t be able to do what they want because they’ll be outnumbered by the proles who will hate them.  At this point the billionaires will realise that they’re exactly the same as every other utopian social movement throughout history and push off back to live in New York or London. Then after a year or two they’ll set up political lobby groups to demand taxes in the US/UK/Wherever are lowered for the rich because it’ll ‘help the economy’. And we’re back to square one.

  16. Vorgon August 18, 2011 at 9:41 am #

    Okay, so let’s imagine how this would work. You have this commune for billionaires which lets them do what they want as well as hoovering away taxes from larger older states. Some of these states might get pissed off and blockade the island. Or perhaps attack them. Hence the libertarians need to buy in military support and a navy. It is unlikely Mr Thiel will be cleaning toilets or delivering babies so the libby types would also require lots of workers. Now, here’s the thing – if its free from ‘laws and moral codes’ of other states then what it to stop the new workers killing all the billionaires and taking their stuff? Or the billionaires from molesting the worker’s daughters? We’ll have to introduce a legal system, too (there’s bound to be rich laywers there). Plus those workers might always revolt when the commune is big enough so we’ll need some manner of police force as well. How to pay for this? Well the billionaires could make a voluntary contribution, but its a tad unfair if only a few do it, so perhaps the commune will instigate a fee of some type that the rich pay each year as the price of living free of evil statists. The fee might be called a ‘tax’. But then its also unfair for the rich to pay all the fees, so they’ll ‘tax’ the workers also – after all they can’t just print money out of thin air (especially as they have no natural resources to sell in lieu of currency value). Then as the workers outnumber the rich there will be a clamour for extra laws to protect them – perhaps the workers are fed up with the rich paying peanuts, or more likely they don’t like the perverted things the rich do to their daughters. Then what happens if outside states don’t play ball and don’t attack but put up the cost of food or weapons or air travel? Sure the billionaires could afford it, but could their workers? Pretty soon the fees will escalate, wages will go up, the laws will get more complex and the rich won’t be able to do what they want because they’ll be outnumbered by the proles who will hate them.  At this point the billionaires will realise that they’re exactly the same as every other utopian social movement throughout history and push off back to live in New York or London. Then after a year or two they’ll set up political lobby groups to demand taxes in the US/UK/Wherever are lowered for the rich because it’ll ‘help the economy’. And we’re back to square one.

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  18. Vorgon August 18, 2011 at 5:50 am #

    Chances are the billionaires will create their own legal system that is skewed in their favour. We can do all the drugs we want, treat the workers how we want, fly in 12 yr olds for sex and rape the occasional maid for fun. HOWEVER employees can’t. And employees can’t be drugged or stoned on duty, either. Oh, and we’re the boss, so no votes for employees (democracy – bah!) so we don’t have to put wages up either. Hehe.

    Six months later island of dead billionaires after armed insurrection…

    • MK9 August 18, 2011 at 10:13 am #

      they already have a legal system skewed in their favour.

  19. Vorgon August 18, 2011 at 9:50 am #

    Chances are the billionaires will create their own legal system that is skewed in their favour. We can do all the drugs we want, treat the workers how we want, fly in 12 yr olds for sex and rape the occasional maid for fun. HOWEVER employees can’t. And employees can’t be drugged or stoned on duty, either. Oh, and we’re the boss, so no votes for employees (democracy – bah!) so we don’t have to put wages up either. Hehe.

    Six months later island of dead billionaires after armed insurrection…

  20. ajr65 August 18, 2011 at 6:40 am #

    Does seem cool.. but you know, that some future president will come along and declare that “They need to liberated” 

  21. ajr65 August 18, 2011 at 10:40 am #

    Does seem cool.. but you know, that some future president will come along and declare that “They need to liberated” 

  22. Bling Wad August 18, 2011 at 7:08 am #

     They tried this before, with a man-made island called Minerva. One day before they planned on declaring independence, they were conquered. For some reason, nobody stepped up to take arms and put their lives on the line against the mighty forces of Tonga.

    • Anarchy Pony August 18, 2011 at 4:31 pm #

      Well, brown people with automatic rifles are terrifying.

  23. Bling Wad August 18, 2011 at 11:08 am #

     They tried this before, with a man-made island called Minerva. One day before they planned on declaring independence, they were conquered. For some reason, nobody stepped up to take arms and put their lives on the line against the mighty forces of Tonga.

  24. Nunzio X August 18, 2011 at 7:29 am #

    Why do billionaires need to create Libertarian islands?

    They get away with every fucking crime in the book as it is now.

    How are these hoarders of money not “free” “enough?”

  25. Nunzio X August 18, 2011 at 11:29 am #

    Why do billionaires need to create Libertarian islands?

    They get away with every fucking crime in the book as it is now.

    How are these hoarders of money not “free” “enough?”

  26. - steward - August 18, 2011 at 8:06 am #

    Sounds like a great opportunity for modern-day pirates.  Then they’ll get to know the difference between someone who blows up your island and steals all your goods, and holds you for a billion dollar ransom, versus somebody who copies a compact disc…

  27. - steward - August 18, 2011 at 12:06 pm #

    Sounds like a great opportunity for modern-day pirates.  Then they’ll get to know the difference between someone who blows up your island and steals all your goods, and holds you for a billion dollar ransom, versus somebody who copies a compact disc…

  28. erikgrad August 18, 2011 at 8:11 am #

    I remember this book…Mutiny on the Bounty, right?

  29. Anonymous August 18, 2011 at 12:11 pm #

    I remember this book…Mutiny on the Bounty, right?

  30. bobbiethejean August 18, 2011 at 8:49 am #

    I can’t wait to see this thing fail. And it will fail, I guarantee you. Libertardians are so silly.

  31. Bobbie Jean Pentecost August 18, 2011 at 12:49 pm #

    I can’t wait to see this thing fail. And it will fail, I guarantee you. Libertardians are so silly.

  32. ICE August 18, 2011 at 1:35 pm #

    and your comment seems a little lame 

  33. MK9 August 18, 2011 at 2:13 pm #

    they already have a legal system skewed in their favour.

  34. quartz99 August 18, 2011 at 10:25 am #

    Running it as a Libertarian “paradise” is going to end in horrible screeching failure. Probably about the time they get their first backed up toilet and there’s no plumbers to call (because who’s going to go work in a place like that?). But we’re way overpopulating the world and we need room to expand, so I’m happy to see this. This kind of thing is always done first by the rich because they’re the ones who can afford to do it while people are looking for ways to bring the cost down — and they’re highly motivated to find ways to make it cheaper too. In fifty years they’ll be building these for everyone. If they’re built (and run) properly they can even contribute power generation to the world’s energy grid because they’ll be making more than they need.

    The real question is whether or not they’ll build them properly self sufficient and somewhat green or if this is just going to turn into one more open sore of pollution in the oceans.

    • dethbunny August 18, 2011 at 10:46 am #

      The article said “diesel powered.” if you were hoping for a green supply of surplus energy to return to the grid, you’ll need to keep looking somewhere else.

      • quartz99 August 18, 2011 at 11:09 am #

        Well, I missed that these in particular are diesel powered but I was thinking about other proposals I’ve seen that use a combination of wind energy and some variation on using the temperature differential between the surface and the floor of the ocean. The Venus Project for one (think the link’s floating around in the comments here somewhere) and a few years back I was reading one called… The Atlantis Project? That ended but the idea’s out there for self-sufficient ways of powering the islands. And they’ll probably be able to make biodiesel from their waste, though that of course is still highly polluting. Fact is, starting out diesel powered may be more convenient but they can save money by using wind and geothermal types of energy (because they can produce so much more than they need and can sell it off) so it’s only a matter of time before they switch to that.

    • Anarchy Pony August 18, 2011 at 3:52 pm #

      We don’t need room to expand we need to reduce the population. 

  35. Anonymous August 18, 2011 at 2:25 pm #

    Running it as a Libertarian “paradise” is going to end in horrible screeching failure. Probably about the time they get their first backed up toilet and there’s no plumbers to call (because who’s going to go work in a place like that?). But we’re way overpopulating the world and we need room to expand, so I’m happy to see this. This kind of thing is always done first by the rich because they’re the ones who can afford to do it while people are looking for ways to bring the cost down — and they’re highly motivated to find ways to make it cheaper too. In fifty years they’ll be building these for everyone. If they’re built (and run) properly they can even contribute power generation to the world’s energy grid because they’ll be making more than they need.

    The real question is whether or not they’ll build them properly self sufficient and somewhat green or if this is just going to turn into one more open sore of pollution in the oceans.

  36. Anonymous August 18, 2011 at 2:46 pm #

    The article said “diesel powered.” if you were hoping for a green supply of surplus energy to return to the grid, you’ll need to keep looking somewhere else.

  37. Anonymous August 18, 2011 at 3:09 pm #

    Well, I missed that these in particular are diesel powered but I was thinking about other proposals I’ve seen that use a combination of wind energy and some variation on using the temperature differential between the surface and the floor of the ocean. The Venus Project for one (think the link’s floating around in the comments here somewhere) and a few years back I was reading one called… The Atlantis Project? That ended but the idea’s out there for self-sufficient ways of powering the islands. And they’ll probably be able to make biodiesel from their waste, though that of course is still highly polluting. Fact is, starting out diesel powered may be more convenient but they can save money by using wind and geothermal types of energy (because they can produce so much more than they need and can sell it off) so it’s only a matter of time before they switch to that.

  38. Anonymous August 18, 2011 at 3:09 pm #

    Well, I missed that these in particular are diesel powered but I was thinking about other proposals I’ve seen that use a combination of wind energy and some variation on using the temperature differential between the surface and the floor of the ocean. The Venus Project for one (think the link’s floating around in the comments here somewhere) and a few years back I was reading one called… The Atlantis Project? That ended but the idea’s out there for self-sufficient ways of powering the islands. And they’ll probably be able to make biodiesel from their waste, though that of course is still highly polluting. Fact is, starting out diesel powered may be more convenient but they can save money by using wind and geothermal types of energy (because they can produce so much more than they need and can sell it off) so it’s only a matter of time before they switch to that.

  39. Libertarian August 18, 2011 at 3:35 pm #

    Thanks for the article. For  info on people using voluntary Libertarian tools on similar and other issues, please see http://www.Libertarian-International.org ,  the non-partisan Libertarian International Organization 

  40. Libertarian August 18, 2011 at 3:35 pm #

    Thanks for the article. For  info on people using voluntary Libertarian tools on similar and other issues, please see http://www.Libertarian-International.org ,  the non-partisan Libertarian International Organization 

  41. Libertarian August 18, 2011 at 3:35 pm #

    Thanks for the article. For  info on people using voluntary Libertarian tools on similar and other issues, please see http://www.Libertarian-International.org ,  the non-partisan Libertarian International Organization 

  42. VoxMagi August 18, 2011 at 12:46 pm #

    It could work…if each one is for one libertarian household…

    …otherwise…wait til the weekend and they’ll lose contact immediately…all residents found dead at each others hands in a struggle to enforce their unique vision of perfection and dominance overtop of each other…

    …basically…the exact conduct that caused the world to form pesky ole laws in the first place about 6 or 7 thousand years ago.

    Although…if they install plenty of videocameras the event would make great tv…kind of…Lord Of The Flies meets Lives Of The Rich And Famous meets Big Brother.

    • EatTheRich August 19, 2011 at 9:32 am #

      I hate reality TV…but I would watch that :-)

  43. VoxMagi August 18, 2011 at 4:46 pm #

    It could work…if each one is for one libertarian household…

    …otherwise…wait til the weekend and they’ll lose contact immediately…all residents found dead at each others hands in a struggle to enforce their unique vision of perfection and dominance overtop of each other…

    …basically…the exact conduct that caused the world to form pesky ole laws in the first place about 6 or 7 thousand years ago.

    Although…if they install plenty of videocameras the event would make great tv…kind of…Lord Of The Flies meets Lives Of The Rich And Famous meets Big Brother.

  44. Carlos Panzram August 18, 2011 at 4:57 pm #

    Beat me too!

  45. Mysophobe August 18, 2011 at 2:05 pm #

    They should just move to the new land o’ liberty, Somalia.

  46. Mysophobe August 18, 2011 at 6:05 pm #

    They should just move to the new land o’ liberty, Somalia.

  47. Liam_McGonagle August 18, 2011 at 2:28 pm #

    “Having leveraged a Cold-War infotech project to create my own pornography delivery empire, I will now take out-of-touch vainglory to new heights by pissing all over the public sector paradigm that turned me from a spotty little runt without a dime to his name to a spotty little runt with a pair of fantastic Ukranian blondes waiting for me at home.”

    Milton Q. Interwebs, Esq.

  48. Anonymous August 18, 2011 at 6:28 pm #

    “Having leveraged a Cold-War infotech project to create my own pornography delivery empire, I will now take out-of-touch vainglory to new heights by pissing all over the public sector paradigm that turned me from a spotty little runt without a dime to his name to a spotty little runt with a pair of fantastic Ukranian blondes waiting for me at home.”

    Milton Q. Interwebs, Esq.

  49. Anonymous August 18, 2011 at 6:28 pm #

    “Having leveraged a Cold-War infotech project to create my own pornography delivery empire, I will now take out-of-touch vainglory to new heights by pissing all over the public sector paradigm that turned me from a spotty little runt without a dime to his name to a spotty little runt with a pair of fantastic Ukranian blondes waiting for me at home.”

    Milton Q. Interwebs, Esq.

  50. Anarchy Pony August 18, 2011 at 3:33 pm #

    Right, because we all know how well this worked out for residents of Rapture.

  51. Wanooski August 18, 2011 at 7:33 pm #

    Right, because we all know how well this worked out for residents of Rapture.

  52. ICE August 18, 2011 at 3:41 pm #

    Billionaire wants to create “lybianterian” island, where they can have rebel  vs  corrupt government fighting all year round. Combat  arenas.

  53. ICE August 18, 2011 at 7:41 pm #

    Billionaire wants to create “lybianterian” island, where they can have rebel  vs  corrupt government fighting all year round. Combat  arenas.

  54. ICE August 18, 2011 at 7:42 pm #

    The coveted one word relevant comment. 

  55. Wanooski August 18, 2011 at 7:52 pm #

    We don’t need room to expand we need to reduce the population. 

  56. Wanooski August 18, 2011 at 8:31 pm #

    Well, brown people with automatic rifles are terrifying.

  57. Butter Knife August 18, 2011 at 5:25 pm #

    Good.

    May I propose an additional 30% tax on all money above a (fairly low) threshold leaving the country in response? We don’t need to let you leech money from our local, regional and national economies, and if you don’t like it you’re free to leave the money here, or you could stop doing business in the United States altogether. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

    i support this in the same way I support Southern secession, I think it sounds like a wonderful way to get rid of anti-productive idiots so the rest of us don’t have to put up with any more of their bullshit.

  58. Butter Knife August 18, 2011 at 9:25 pm #

    Good.

    May I propose an additional 30% tax on all money above a (fairly low) threshold leaving the country in response? We don’t need to let you leech money from our local, regional and national economies, and if you don’t like it you’re free to leave the money here, or you could stop doing business in the United States altogether. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

    i support this in the same way I support Southern secession, I think it sounds like a wonderful way to get rid of anti-productive idiots so the rest of us don’t have to put up with any more of their bullshit.

  59. Wanooski August 18, 2011 at 9:32 pm #

    I’m pretty sure the venus project is more in a socialistic vain. So no, they won’t be on board.

  60. SundayAfternoon8563 August 18, 2011 at 5:54 pm #

    Dumbest idea ever… How about you help people with that money, like giving California home owners solar panels. Instead you just waste it on some bilderberger’s wet dream. Oh wait, grandson of economist Milton Friedman, the same Milton Friedman that said people should be left to die if they can’t afford their electric bill. These people make me sick.

  61. SundayAfternoon8563 August 18, 2011 at 9:54 pm #

    Dumbest idea ever… How about you help people with that money, like giving California home owners solar panels. Instead you just waste it on some bilderberger’s wet dream. Oh wait, grandson of economist Milton Friedman, the same Milton Friedman that said people should be left to die if they can’t afford their electric bill. These people make me sick.

  62. Unjust Worlds August 18, 2011 at 11:11 pm #

    Reading all the comments here most if not all of you have no bleeping idea what libertarianism is!!!

  63. Unjust Worlds August 18, 2011 at 7:11 pm #

    Reading all the comments here most if not all of you have no bleeping idea what libertarianism is!!!

    • Anarchy Pony August 18, 2011 at 7:17 pm #

      These people doing this are rightist libertarians, not libertarians meaning anarchists. These people are anarcho capitalists, which is to say, not anarchists at all.

    • Hadrian999 August 18, 2011 at 7:23 pm #

      libertarianism needs almost universal high moral character to function, at heart people are well dressed savages who only play nice with each other because they will be punished if they don’t, if libertarianism ever gets a start it will be feudalism within a few generations

      • Anarchy Pony August 18, 2011 at 7:36 pm #

        That is an overly ignorant and naive viewpoint. 

        • Hadrian999 August 18, 2011 at 7:54 pm #

          it’s naive to think people with power won’t exploit libertarianism, we will have robber barons again, the old kind not the new kind. any power vacuum will be filled, if the government loses power, the elite will take that power for themselves. relaxing regulations will facilitate the concentration of power. U.S. History is full of examples

          • EightFiveTwo August 18, 2011 at 10:41 pm #

            This is why EVERYONE should own a gun. Mutual destruction will bind us all together :)

    • FLIM FLAM August 19, 2011 at 1:30 am #

      Do not confuse Anarchy with Libertarianism it is a big mistake!!

      • leafygreens August 20, 2011 at 11:05 am #

        Well, Unjust Worlds, the problem with separating anarchy from libertarianism is none to easy these days as most of the people spouting off about libertarians conflate the concepts of economic freedom with that of social justice. Of course, rightly put, that’s not anarchy either, just a pre-fascist state–exactly what we have here in the good ol’ U.S. of Assholes. The true problem is Nozickian or Hayeckian Libertarianism is impossible (or at least highly fucking improbable) in a society where the majority of wealth is concentrated in the top 1 percent. The Nightwatchman minarchist state so desired by ideologues is but another pipe dream, another Utopia fit only to be shot from the sky by the Realpolitik of The Fundamentalist Christian Right and their Blackwater jack-booted thugs. 

  64. Wanooski August 18, 2011 at 11:17 pm #

    These people doing this are rightist libertarians, not libertarians meaning anarchists. These people are anarcho capitalists, which is to say, not anarchists at all.

  65. Hadrian999 August 18, 2011 at 11:23 pm #

    libertarianism needs almost universal high moral character to function, at heart people are well dressed savages who only play nice with each other because they will be punished if they don’t, if libertarianism ever gets a start it will be feudalism within a few generations

  66. Wanooski August 18, 2011 at 11:36 pm #

    That is an overly ignorant and naive viewpoint. 

  67. Chaorder Gradient August 18, 2011 at 11:53 pm #

    you’re my favorite person ever

  68. Hadrian999 August 18, 2011 at 11:54 pm #

    it’s naive to think people with power won’t exploit libertarianism, we will have robber barons again, the old kind not the new kind. any power vacuum will be filled, if the government loses power, the elite will take that power for themselves. relaxing regulations will facilitate the concentration of power. U.S. History is full of examples

  69. EightFiveTwo August 19, 2011 at 2:41 am #

    This is why EVERYONE should own a gun. Mutual destruction will bind us all together :)

  70. Toron Stganymede August 19, 2011 at 3:07 am #

    … put me down for a reservation for this place – i only want to have 2 requests granted – i want to bring my 102 pet rats and i want the italian ice concession for a roving cart – that’s all – ok  ? …

  71. Toron Stganymede August 19, 2011 at 3:07 am #

    … put me down for a reservation for this place – i only want to have 2 requests granted – i want to bring my 102 pet rats and i want the italian ice concession for a roving cart – that’s all – ok  ? …

  72. Toron Stganymede August 18, 2011 at 11:07 pm #

    … put me down for a reservation for this place – i only want to have 2 requests granted – i want to bring my 102 pet rats and i want the italian ice concession for a roving cart – that’s all – ok  ? …

  73. FLIM FLAM August 19, 2011 at 5:30 am #

    Do not confuse Anarchy with Libertarianism it is a big mistake!!

  74. Mightbeman August 19, 2011 at 10:40 am #

    Try the funny version of this – Danny wallace start yout own country – . (ps his “ yes man “ book is the greatest)

  75. Mightbeman August 19, 2011 at 6:40 am #

    Try the funny version of this – Danny wallace start yout own country – . (ps his “ yes man “ book is the greatest)

  76. EatTheRich August 19, 2011 at 1:32 pm #

    I hate reality TV…but I would watch that :-)

  77. Giarturo August 19, 2011 at 2:35 pm #

    I smell Bioshock.

  78. Giarturo August 19, 2011 at 10:35 am #

    I smell Bioshock.

  79. leafygreens August 20, 2011 at 3:05 pm #

    Well, Unjust Worlds, the problem with separating anarchy from libertarianism is none to easy these days as most of the people spouting off about libertarians conflate the concepts of economic freedom with that of social justice. Of course, rightly put, that’s not anarchy either, just a pre-fascist state–exactly what we have here in the good ol’ U.S. of Assholes. The true problem is Nozickian or Hayeckian Libertarianism is impossible (or at least highly fucking improbable) in a society where the majority of wealth is concentrated in the top 1 percent. The Nightwatchman minarchist state so desired by ideologues is but another pipe dream, another Utopia fit only to be shot from the sky by the Realpolitik of The Fundamentalist Christian Right and their Blackwater jack-booted thugs. 

  80. Adam August 20, 2011 at 5:03 pm #

    Watch out for Big Daddy…

  81. Anonymous August 22, 2011 at 3:40 am #

    Wow, 46 comments, casual dismissals, and vapid bits of snobbery.  The first half of which focused on the word billionaire, from the headline.  I wonder how many bothered with even reading the whopping three paragraph article.  And of that percentage, how many (if any) actually did any research on Seasteading.  From this article and the comments, one would think that this is some new idea, and that libertarianism had something to do with billionaires running amok raping and pillaging the poor abused workers.  

    Grow up, Peter Pan.  Have some idea of what you are dismissing before you embark on your pathetic intellectual masturbation.

    As for all of the airhead questions of how this could work, and Bioshock references to disastrous outcomes; it may come as a shock, but these same questions occurred to the people trying to set it all up.  And most have been answered quite well.

    I thought Disinfo was full of skeptics, not disdainful snobs.  Poor showing.

  82. supervexi August 21, 2011 at 11:40 pm #

    Wow, 46 comments, casual dismissals, and vapid bits of snobbery.  The first half of which focused on the word billionaire, from the headline.  I wonder how many bothered with even reading the whopping three paragraph article.  And of that percentage, how many (if any) actually did any research on Seasteading.  From this article and the comments, one would think that this is some new idea, and that libertarianism had something to do with billionaires running amok raping and pillaging the poor abused workers.  

    Grow up, Peter Pan.  Have some idea of what you are dismissing before you embark on your pathetic intellectual masturbation.

    As for all of the airhead questions of how this could work, and Bioshock references to disastrous outcomes; it may come as a shock, but these same questions occurred to the people trying to set it all up.  And most have been answered quite well.

    I thought Disinfo was full of skeptics, not disdainful snobs.  Poor showing.

  83. Argosyjones August 24, 2011 at 11:13 am #

    Put the libertarians on Alcatraz.

  84. Argosyjones August 24, 2011 at 3:13 pm #

    Put the libertarians on Alcatraz.

  85. greengestalt August 25, 2011 at 11:25 pm #

    I’d be all for doing such a move.  I might even make a mini-island, have a lot of ideas how.

    But I politely reject the “Libertine”…  Well excuse me, “Libertarian” thing…  IMO, it’s a dumb, half-thought out policy that simply doesn’t work but is pumped up by corporate elites in the “Western” world since it helps them bleed welfare money while still taking (in complete hypocrisy, it’s for us, not them) corporate welfare themselves.

    What I’d make would be a floating building that’d be a huge frame that others could build upon until it became a re-birth of “The Walled City of Kowloon” surrounded by smaller ‘steads and boats and re-commissioned ships.   I’d make it largely profitable from outside by making more or less what’s illegal about everywhere else legal there. I’d like to re-create Burroughs’s “Interzone” essentially. 

    But such a place doesn’t need a business ruler, it needs a begnin dictator who indeed profits from the $ tourists and pirates spend on drugs and hookers but is essentially “A river to his people”.  A King, even the “Pirate king of the pervert sh-t bucket floating on the sea” needs to think long term, and his people are essentially his body.  A businessman thinks for himself and thinks long term and everything is a “Resource” to be used, exploited, discarded for that purpose.  Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t give a F— what people believed or for the most part did.  If they wanted to deny the guy that they hired in their new venture the promotion because a “Friend from my back home Church of Moron wants to be here…besides you are a dink or whatever they call you…” fine, but there’d be NO law to avenge them if he shot him for it.  Libertarians really start to run like a bunny at a fursuit lifestyler convention when their own “Anarcho Capitalism” becomes something they might face the sh– end of.

    Mind you, it’s going to be build-able in a narrow time frame.  20 years and IMO nobody will even notice, but there’d be no flood of tourists to give the $ needed to expand and entrench.

  86. Anonymous August 26, 2011 at 3:25 am #

    I’d be all for doing such a move.  I might even make a mini-island, have a lot of ideas how.

    But I politely reject the “Libertine”…  Well excuse me, “Libertarian” thing…  IMO, it’s a dumb, half-thought out policy that simply doesn’t work but is pumped up by corporate elites in the “Western” world since it helps them bleed welfare money while still taking (in complete hypocrisy, it’s for us, not them) corporate welfare themselves.

    What I’d make would be a floating building that’d be a huge frame that others could build upon until it became a re-birth of “The Walled City of Kowloon” surrounded by smaller ‘steads and boats and re-commissioned ships.   I’d make it largely profitable from outside by making more or less what’s illegal about everywhere else legal there. I’d like to re-create Burroughs’s “Interzone” essentially. 

    But such a place doesn’t need a business ruler, it needs a begnin dictator who indeed profits from the $ tourists and pirates spend on drugs and hookers but is essentially “A river to his people”.  A King, even the “Pirate king of the pervert sh-t bucket floating on the sea” needs to think long term, and his people are essentially his body.  A businessman thinks for himself and thinks long term and everything is a “Resource” to be used, exploited, discarded for that purpose.  Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t give a F— what people believed or for the most part did.  If they wanted to deny the guy that they hired in their new venture the promotion because a “Friend from my back home Church of Moron wants to be here…besides you are a dink or whatever they call you…” fine, but there’d be NO law to avenge them if he shot him for it.  Libertarians really start to run like a bunny at a fursuit lifestyler convention when their own “Anarcho Capitalism” becomes something they might face the sh– end of.

    Mind you, it’s going to be build-able in a narrow time frame.  20 years and IMO nobody will even notice, but there’d be no flood of tourists to give the $ needed to expand and entrench.

  87. Bocacha Gonzalez August 27, 2011 at 6:19 pm #

  88. Bocacha Gonzalez August 27, 2011 at 2:19 pm #

  89. Bocacha Gonzalez August 27, 2011 at 6:20 pm #

    I will be pleased on work at Libertarian Islands

  90. Bocacha Gonzalez August 27, 2011 at 6:20 pm #

    I will be pleased on work at Libertarian Islands

  91. Bocacha Gonzalez August 27, 2011 at 2:20 pm #

    I will be pleased on work at Libertarian Islands

  92. soddi August 27, 2011 at 6:42 pm #

    Good. Then they’ll all be in one place when it’s time to take them out. Saves munitions.

  93. Anonymous August 27, 2011 at 10:42 pm #

    Good. Then they’ll all be in one place when it’s time to take them out. Saves munitions.

  94. Dan Phillip Mitu August 28, 2011 at 11:26 pm #

    Sounds like Rapture! And we all know what happened there. 

  95. Dan Phillip Mitu August 29, 2011 at 3:26 am #

    Sounds like Rapture! And we all know what happened there. 

  96. Michael Wright October 29, 2011 at 3:25 am #

    I am Andrew Ryan, and I’m here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? ‘No!’ says the man in Washington, ‘It belongs to the poor.’ ‘No!’ says the man in the Vatican, ‘It belongs to God.’ ‘No!’ says the man in Moscow, ‘It belongs to everyone.’ I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well… Just do look out for the gibbering monstrosities…

  97. Michael Wright October 29, 2011 at 7:25 am #

    I am Andrew Ryan, and I’m here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? ‘No!’ says the man in Washington, ‘It belongs to the poor.’ ‘No!’ says the man in the Vatican, ‘It belongs to God.’ ‘No!’ says the man in Moscow, ‘It belongs to everyone.’ I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well… Just do look out for the gibbering monstrosities…

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