Navy SEAL Team 6 Members Killed in Afghanistan Helicopter Crash Not Osama bin Laden’s Killers

Navy SEAL InsigniaSo official sources say. A dramatic loss of life to one of America’s elite military forces. Christine Haverkamp reports on the AP via KTLV:

U.S. officials tell the Associated Press that they believe that none of the Navy SEALs who died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan had participated in the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, although they were from the same unit that carried out the bin Laden mission.

Sources say that more than 20 Navy SEALs were among those lost in the crash in Afghanistan.

The operators from SEAL Team Six were flown by a regular Army crew. That’s according to AP military sources.

Another source says the team was thought to include 22 SEALs, three Air Force air controllers, seven Afghan Army troops, a dog and his handler, and a civilian interpreter, plus the helicopter crew.

The sources thought this was the largest single loss of life ever for SEAL Team Six, known as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group.

More: AP via KTLV

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  • Hadrian999

    when I was in the army I would have rather found myself in an ambush than in a helicopter, military choppers tend to fall out of the sky all on their own.add hostile fire and they are a death trap, seems odd with both navy and air force special operators they weren’t being flown by the S.O.A.R.

    • Bigdickmegaherz

      I never liked the hot squishy feeling, like I was in a flying school bus filled with microwaves. …bleh.. 

      They may have been flown by SOAR. We wouldn’t want to admit if they dropped another for maintenance issues would we? …. What am I talking about that’s never happened before…

    • Reasor

      Initial reports said the Chinnook was flown by the 160th SOAR, out of Fort Campbell, and I’ve heard nothing from an informed source to indicate otherwise.  The civilian AP article posted above describes the aviators as “regular Army,” but the 160th as an organization doesn’t seem to crave the spotlight the way some units do.

      • Tuna Ghost

        I’ve heard Chinooks are especially hard to fly and that there is a serious shortage of qualified pilots.  I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that someone less-than-prepared was flying the thing at the time.

        • Hadrian999

          i would doubt it was a bad pilot if it were someone in the SOAR that is a special unit that is specially trained for special operations. the military has a dirty little secret about vehicles, the skimp on parts. when i was in the army it would be considered a miracle to have all your vehicles up at the same time, a buddy of mine was a chopper mechanic in the cav. and that guy had horror stories. It appears that they didn’t the necessary level of suppression for a hot insertion, it seems that too many people think special ops guys are invincible, no matter how skilled and trained you are bullets still kill you and you can still get shot down

    • Redacted

      Same. I was very happy to be Mechanized Infantry. When a Bradley breaks down it just stops.

      • Hadrian999

        sometimes they catch on fire

        • Redacted

          Not half as bad as a Stryker.

          • Hadrian999

            lol strykers when i was in iraq i saw so many of those burnt out on the side of the road

          • Redacted

            Hey now, thats the Army vehicle of the future. That it doubles as a cremation oven is a plus for the Army since theres no remains to have to ship back.

    • Tuna Ghost

      I’m very nervous whenever my brother goes to Afghanistan in the course of his duties for the State Department because he has to ride all over the place in helicopters.  Like I said earlier, the damn things are only in the air because a startling number of things fail to wrong.

  • Hadrian999

    when I was in the army I would have rather found myself in an ambush than in a helicopter, military choppers tend to fall out of the sky all on their own.add hostile fire and they are a death trap, seems odd with both navy and air force special operators they weren’t being flown by the S.O.A.R.

  • Bigdickmegaherz

    I never liked the hot squishy feeling, like I was in a flying school bus filled with microwaves. …bleh.. 

    They may have been flown by SOAR. We wouldn’t want to admit if they dropped another for maintenance issues would we? …. What am I talking about that’s never happened before…

  • Jon

    lol nothing of value was lost

    • Tuna Ghost

      C’mon now, Chinooks are stupidly expensive

  • Jon

    lol nothing of value was lost

  • Jon

    lol nothing of value was lost

  • BuzzCoastin

    > Navy SEAL Team 6 Members Killed in Afghanistan Helicopter Crash Not Osama bin Laden’s Killers

    Probably because the Osama story is bogus, thereby making it hard for non-existent killers to die.

    • Guest

      Exactly! Are we not supposed to know those guys identities anyway?  So, even if the bogus story was true, who’s to say they aren’t lying about if the Osama killers were really killed or not?  Maybe they killed them so they would never say it was a bunch of crap from the get-go.  Besides, these guys dying in a helicopter crash is like the Crocodile Hunter getting killed by a stingray… just unbelievable.  

      • Tuna Ghost

        Are we not supposed to know those guys identities anyway?

        I can’t tell if this is a sincere question or not, but in all likelihood the answer is “no”.  The names of the members of a team engaged in an operation deemed classified will probably be withheld for security reasons.  

        Besides, these guys dying in a helicopter crash is like the Crocodile Hunter getting killed by a stingray… just unbelievable.

        Unbelievable because it seems ironic, or because it doesn’t seem at all likely?  Helicopter crashes are a big problem in the military.  They account for a startlingly high percentage of deaths in that area.  Some of them are so hard to fly there is a serious shortage of pilots who are qualified to pilot them.  I mean, the damn things don’t glide gracefully through the air like airplanes, they’re only in the air because an incredible number of things don’t go wrong.  

        • http://twitter.com/Cynthia_Burkey Cindi

          It’s the coincidence factor that makes me uncomfortable.  Seal Team 6 never in the news.  In the news twice now since Bin Laden’s “death.” 
          It’s weird.

    • Alturn

      You would be correct about the Osama story. From the June issue of Share International magazine:

      Q. The killing of Osama bin Laden by an American special attack force in Pakistan
      has just been announced. He is said to have been shot in the eye and killed
      (though unarmed) and the body to have been buried at sea, that is, not retrievable
      for inspection. Can you say if this is indeed the end of Bin Laden?
      A. I do believe that Osama bin Laden is no longer alive, but this report from
      the US administration does not tally with my information, which is that Osama
      bin Laden died peacefully, after a long struggle with illness, in 2006. Before
      he died he wished to maintain his call for ‘justice’ (as he understood the
      term) and arranged for one of his many younger brothers to maintain the myth
      of his presence.

      Q. In 2007 Benazir Bhutto said in an interview that Osama bin Laden was dead.
      (1) Was she right? (2) How did he die? (3) Where is his body buried? (4) If
      this scenario is accurate, why was his death kept secret? (5) Supposing these
      are the facts, how long have the Americans known of Osama bin Laden’s demise?
      A. (1) Yes. (2) He died after a long struggle with cancer and kidney disease.
      (3) It was not buried but burned. (4) He wanted to maintain the myth as a rallying
      call for the young. (5) They probably believed he was still alive.

      Q. Why was Osama bin Laden shot? Why was he not captured and brought to justice?
      A. Ask the Americans.

      Q. Why was his body “buried at sea”?
      A. Ask the Americans.

      Q. There is something very fishy about the reports of how Osama bin Laden
      died; it is reminiscent of the feel of the so-called accounts of how Saddam
      Hussein was ‘found’ and other ‘facts’ around his ‘trial’ and so on. Your comments,
      please.
      A. Quite so.

      Q. One of the news reports showing the compound where Osama bin Laden was
      shot mentioned that there was no sign of a kidney dialysis machine, yet it
      was well-known that Bin Laden had serious kidney problems. Does the absence
      of a dialysis machine not point to the possibility that Osama bin Laden had
      not been living at the compound?
      A. My information is that he never lived at that compound.

      • Tuna Ghost

        Hey guy, you mind telling us who was asking the questions and who was answering them?  Or are we to assume that these sources are automatically credible because you say they are?

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    > Navy SEAL Team 6 Members Killed in Afghanistan Helicopter Crash Not Osama bin Laden’s Killers

    Probably because the Osama story is bogus, thereby making it hard for non-existent killers to die.

  • Anonymous

    Initial reports said the Chinnook was flown by the 160th SOAR, out of Fort Campbell, and I’ve heard nothing from an informed source to indicate otherwise.  The civilian AP article posted above describes the aviators as “regular Army,” but the 160th as an organization doesn’t seem to crave the spotlight the way some units do.

  • Anonymous

    Same. I was very happy to be Mechanized Infantry. When a Bradley breaks down it just stops.

  • Hadrian999

    sometimes they catch on fire

  • Anonymous

    Not half as bad as a Stryker.

  • Hadrian999

    lol strykers when i was in iraq i saw so many of those burnt out on the side of the road

  • Guest

    Exactly! Are we not supposed to know those guys identities anyway?  So, even if the bogus story was true, who’s to say they aren’t lying about if the Osama killers were really killed or not?  Maybe they killed them so they would never say it was a bunch of crap from the get-go.  Besides, these guys dying in a helicopter crash is like the Crocodile Hunter getting killed by a stingray… just unbelievable.  

  • Anonymous

    Hey now, thats the Army vehicle of the future. That it doubles as a cremation oven is a plus for the Army since theres no remains to have to ship back.

  • JoiquimCouteau

    These are the guys who were inside the helicopter that exploded outside of the ‘bin laden compound’.

  • Anonymous

    These are the guys who were inside the helicopter that exploded outside of the ‘bin laden compound’.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Are we not supposed to know those guys identities anyway?

    I can’t tell if this is a sincere question or not, but in all likelihood the answer is “no”.  The names of the members of a team engaged in an operation deemed classified will probably be withheld for security reasons.  

    Besides, these guys dying in a helicopter crash is like the Crocodile Hunter getting killed by a stingray… just unbelievable.

    Unbelievable because it seems ironic, or because it doesn’t seem at all likely?  Helicopter crashes are a big problem in the military.  They account for a startlingly high percentage of deaths in that area.  Some of them are so hard to fly there is a serious shortage of pilots who are qualified to pilot them.  I mean, the damn things don’t glide gracefully through the air like airplanes, they’re only in the air because an incredible number of things don’t go wrong.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    I’m very nervous whenever my brother goes to Afghanistan in the course of his duties for the State Department because he has to ride all over the place in helicopters.  Like I said earlier, the damn things are only in the air because a startling number of things fail to wrong.

  • Tuna Ghost

    I’ve heard Chinooks are especially hard to fly and that there is a serious shortage of qualified pilots.  I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that someone less-than-prepared was flying the thing at the time.

  • Tuna Ghost

    C’mon now, Chinooks are stupidly expensive

  • Alturn

    You would be correct about the Osama story. From the June issue of Share International magazine:

    Q. The killing of Osama bin Laden by an American special attack force in Pakistan
    has just been announced. He is said to have been shot in the eye and killed
    (though unarmed) and the body to have been buried at sea, that is, not retrievable
    for inspection. Can you say if this is indeed the end of Bin Laden?
    A. I do believe that Osama bin Laden is no longer alive, but this report from
    the US administration does not tally with my information, which is that Osama
    bin Laden died peacefully, after a long struggle with illness, in 2006. Before
    he died he wished to maintain his call for ‘justice’ (as he understood the
    term) and arranged for one of his many younger brothers to maintain the myth
    of his presence.

    Q. In 2007 Benazir Bhutto said in an interview that Osama bin Laden was dead.
    (1) Was she right? (2) How did he die? (3) Where is his body buried? (4) If
    this scenario is accurate, why was his death kept secret? (5) Supposing these
    are the facts, how long have the Americans known of Osama bin Laden’s demise?
    A. (1) Yes. (2) He died after a long struggle with cancer and kidney disease.
    (3) It was not buried but burned. (4) He wanted to maintain the myth as a rallying
    call for the young. (5) They probably believed he was still alive.

    Q. Why was Osama bin Laden shot? Why was he not captured and brought to justice?
    A. Ask the Americans.

    Q. Why was his body “buried at sea”?
    A. Ask the Americans.

    Q. There is something very fishy about the reports of how Osama bin Laden
    died; it is reminiscent of the feel of the so-called accounts of how Saddam
    Hussein was ‘found’ and other ‘facts’ around his ‘trial’ and so on. Your comments,
    please.
    A. Quite so.

    Q. One of the news reports showing the compound where Osama bin Laden was
    shot mentioned that there was no sign of a kidney dialysis machine, yet it
    was well-known that Bin Laden had serious kidney problems. Does the absence
    of a dialysis machine not point to the possibility that Osama bin Laden had
    not been living at the compound?
    A. My information is that he never lived at that compound.

  • Hadrian999

    i would doubt it was a bad pilot if it were someone in the SOAR that is a special unit that is specially trained for special operations. the military has a dirty little secret about vehicles, the skimp on parts. when i was in the army it would be considered a miracle to have all your vehicles up at the same time, a buddy of mine was a chopper mechanic in the cav. and that guy had horror stories

  • Tuna Ghost

    Hey guy, you mind telling us who was asking the questions and who was answering them?  Or are we to assume that these sources are automatically credible because you say they are?

  • http://twitter.com/Cynthia_Burkey Cindi Burkey

    It’s the coincidence factor that makes me uncomfortable.  Seal Team 6 never in the news.  In the news twice now since Bin Laden’s “death.” 
    It’s weird.

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