Oh, The Pain Of The Believer: Barack’s Betrayals Offer Lessons We Can’t Deny

480px-BarackObamaportraitJournalists are not supposed to have political opinions and yet we all do. Our “biases” are usually disguised, not blatant or overtly partisan, and can be divined in what stories we cover and how we cover them.

Even ‘just the fact’s maam,’ journos for big media have to decide which facts to include and which to ignore.

Our outlooks are always shaped by our worldviews, values and experience, not too mention the outlets we work for.

Which brings me to the challenge of seeking truth and recognizing it when you see it.

I have to admit that I was seduced by the idea of Barack Obama.

The idea of a black President, the idea of a young President, the idea of an articulate President, and the idea of a man married to such a stand up woman from a working class family was hard to resist.

Here’s a guy who seemed really smart, not just because he went to Harvard, but because professors there I liked were impressed with him. (I taught at Harvard and know very well how not so smart many students there can be!)

In the end it doesn’t mean much, but in that period he lived about a block away from the house I once shared on Dartmouth Street in Somerville.

Was that a degree of separation?

He had also been a community organizer, starting in politics at the grass roots in Chicago. I also worked at Saul Alinsky-style organizing and even knew the iconic organizer personally.

Was that another degree?

He’s invoked the spirit of the civil rights movement, but was not part of it. He treated Dr. King as a monument before the new memorial was conceived, embracing him as a symbol of the past, not a guide to the future.

He took an anti-war stance on pragmatic grounds only, preferring Afghanistan to Iraq. He hasn’t extricated us from either battlefield.

His strategy borrowed heavily from the Bush Doctrine. What’s the difference, really, as US troops now intervene worldwide and Guantanamo remains open for business?

There was a lot I didn’t know.  I didn’t know the backgrounds of those that groomed him and funded him. His relationship with the centrist DLC was murky, as were the details on the services he performed for a shadowy firm, Business International, said to have CIA links.

There were those who warned, but I guess, I didn’t want to listen.

Why?  I didn’t want to reinforce my own skepticism and sense of despair. I feigned at being hopeful even as I took quite a few critical whacks at his positions in my blog. His deviations from a liberal agenda and his panes to the “free market” were considered necessary for his “electability.”

I was also influenced by the euphoria for him overseas that had become infectious, but has since soured.

To be honest, I was so disgusted with eight years of George Bush for all the right reasons that I wanted him gone full stop, as did millions of Americans.

Hillary didn’t appeal to me, not because she’s a woman but because of her slavish affinity for the Israel lobby and middle of the road Democrats. (Yes, Obama, did his mea-culpa to AIPAC too!)

I was denounced as a super sexist by a few for not buying into her centrist Clintonista crusade.

She had gone from a student advocate to part of a ruling family; he went from bottom-up activism to top-down elitism.

When she joined his “team,” you knew they were always in the same league.

When the right bashed him for associating with radical Bill Ayers, who I knew, it made me suspect he might even be cooler than I thought, even as he raced to distance himself.  His membership in Reverend Wright’s church hinted at a deeper consciousness until he buckled in the media heat and threw the man that married him under the bus.

And yet, I wanted to believe because I needed to believe, needed to believe it was possible to change the American behemoth, to believe that, as he kept saying, “it could be different this time.”

As the late writer David Foster Wallace put it:

“In the day-to-day trenches of adult life … there is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship … else (what) you worship will eat you alive. If you worship money and things – if they are where you tap real meaning in life – then you will never have enough. Never feel you have enough.”

So, in a sense, I became a worshipper like so many, not of the man or the dance he was doing in an infected political environment, but because I convinced myself that I worshipped possibility, that there are times when the unexpected, even the unbelievable occurs. I had seen Mandela go from prison to the presidency of South Africa.

After all, how does a progressive blast a candidate who has Bruce Springsteen and Pete Seeger singing the uncensored version of “This Land Is Your Land” at his inaugural?”

Yet, there was always a nagging question: was he with us or just co-opting us?

Yes We Can?

Slowly, despite the glow and the aura, deeper truths surfaced, realities I had winked away. Its not surprising that his mantra has gone, as the Washington Post reports, from the “fierce urgency of now,” to “ Be patient, democracy is big and tough and messy.”

Yes, I knew, I may have been rationalizing a false god, who was only, if more attractive, another politician who says one thing and does another in a political system where power, not personalities prevail.

Like many of his predecessors he would be “captured” by the power structures, by the military men and contractors at the Pentagon and the money men on Wall Street.

He was in office, but never really in charge. Clearly, he didn’t have the votes to enact a real change agenda. But that was because his own party was long ago bought and paid for.

He never had a chance, even if as I wanted to believe, he wanted one. He said he wanted to be transformational figure but the system transformed him—and quickly.

Everyone runs “against Washington,” even a Senator, who was part of it.
And so I held my nose and voted, hoping against my wiser instincts. I even made a positive film about the campaign that showed how he used social media and texting to mobilize new voters. When I tried to get a copy to the White House, through an insider there, I found they couldn’t be less interested.

By then, he had gone from playing the “outside game” to opting into the “inside game” built around compromise in the name of “pragmatism” or, ‘getting it done,’ in his words. In the end he was a rookie who may have outsmarted himself or just served the interests who put him there.

He couldn’t dump his most passionate and issue-oriented followers fast enough.

While his backers were still hot to trot, he became cooler toward them, and in effect, repudiated them with few progressive appointments. He put on his flag pin and relished the symbolism of the “office.”  He became the master of the uplifting speech disguising a quite different policy agenda.

He spoke for the people but served the power. His wanted the other side to love him too, even as his stabs at “bi-partisanship” proved non-starters.

When you lie down with those “lambs,” (or is it snakes?) you betray not only supporters, but their hopes. FDR was soon spinning in his grave.

I am not surprised that knowledgeable critics of his economic policies not only consider him bull-headed and wrong, but actually corrupt, aligned and complicit, with the banksters who are still ripping us off. No wonder he’s ”bundled” more donations from the greedsters and financiers this year than in 2008! No wonder, he turned his back on consumer advocate Elizabeth Warren and is trying to kill prosecutions of bank fraud in high places.

Christopher Whalen, who writes for Reuters, say there will be a cost for his doing nothing:

“The path of least resistance politically has been to temporize and talk. But by following the advice of Rubin and Summers, and avoiding tough decisions about banks and solvency, President Obama has only made the crisis more serious and steadily eroded public confidence. In political terms, Obama is morphing into Herbert Hoover.”

Yet, at the same time, many of us who now know how we have been used, will vote for him again because, as he rightly calculates, there is no one else, and the alternative is even worse. Watch and weep as today’s rebels become next year’s rationalizers.

It reminds me of when activists were asked to vote for Lyndon Johnson in 1964 with the slogan “Part of the Way with LBJ.” That way ended with an endless escalation of war in Vietnam, and guns trumping butter. Sound familiar?

The search for truth and reality has hit a wall, but has to continue. The lessons need to be learned. We have to say we were wrong, when we were, not in our beliefs, but in pinning our hopes on a shrewd, ambitious, and double-faced political performance artist.

While people who still back him dismiss the accusation that’s he’s a hidden socialist, Kenyan, or space alien, all too many suspect he may be a secret Republican. He is who he is, aloof, cautious, and a man in the middle. He’s staying there.

Let’s give David Foster the last word:

“The really important kind of freedom involves attention, and awareness, and discipline, and effort, and being able truly to care about other people and to sacrifice for them, over and over, in myriad petty little unsexy ways, every day. That is real freedom. The alternative is unconscioussness,…

… It is about simple awareness – awareness of what is so real and essential, so hidden in plain sight all around us, that we have to keep reminding ourselves, over and over ….”

Filmmaker and News Dissector Danny Schechter edits Mediachannel.org. For more on his film Plunder: The Crime of Our Time and companion book The Crime Of Our Time: Why Wall Street Is Not Too Big To Jail, visit plunderthecrimeofourtime

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  • OdinMcHaggis

    I was fooled by Obama. Shame on him. I donated to his campaign and voted for him in the election. That won’t happen a second time. I have also learned my lesson about the Democratic Party, for that I think you Professor Obama. 

    • MasoMystic

      You have learned your lesson about the democratic party but you have not learned your lesson about the entire political system as a whole?

      When will people get it. There is no democracy in America and as long as we keep supporting the system THEY build, our quality of life will continue to go down the shitter.

      • Terryjamesneal333

        Marat and Robespierre 2012

    • Terryjamesneal333

      I voted for who I believed to be: 1. A black man  2. A man of integrity.  3. An honest man.  After a year and a half of him holding office….I learned that: 1. He is not a man  2. He is not black  3. and that he is a liar on a scale never before achieved by an American President (well done!). I voted for him for one reason in particular… (#1) Quote: We will be out of there by next summer at the latest…and you can take that to the bank”! End Quote.   Liar!  I hoped we could finally stop having our children die so that: 1. Israel can continue stealing Arab lands…2. So that we can double the “poppy production” in Afghanistan and 3. So that “Big Oil” could steal the resources (oil/natural gas) before Russia or China got to it first. It is sadly….a world run by, and controlled by…. very sick, very greedy, “Inbred Royals” and it needs to change!

      • Pb

        u mad bro?

      • MadHierophant

         ”1. A black man  2. A man of integrity.  3. An honest man.”I hope that’s not order of priority, because if it is, it’s backwards. Hell, #1 is totally irrelevant. 

  • Anonymous

    I was fooled by Obama. Shame on him. I donated to his campaign and voted for him in the election. That won’t happen a second time. I have also learned my lesson about the Democratic Party, for that I think you Professor Obama. 

  • MasoMystic

    You have learned your lesson about the democratic party but you have not learned your lesson about the entire political system as a whole?

    When will people get it. There is no democracy in America and as long as we keep supporting the system THEY build, our quality of life will continue to go down the shitter.

  • quartz99

    Sadly, the signs were there for anyone who wanted to see them. He hasn’t done anything counter to what he said he was going to do. But to know that you had to go look at the policies and positions on his website, which were sometimes a slog to read through — maybe intentionally so, so that most people wouldn’t.

    That said, I still voted for him, even though I disagreed with him, because he was articulate and likeable and wouldn’t be an outright embarrassment to us in international politics. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been with McCain and Palin?

    But I won’t be voting for him again. I won’t be voting for another Democrat, for any office, unless they’re someone I know personally and trust to do a good job. And I haven’t been inclined to vote for a Republican for decades, not since the Dominionists started taking it over and pushing out all the fiscal conservatives (which was before I was of voting age, so I don’t think I’ve actually _ever_ voted for a Repub).

    The solution to today’s politics is for everyone to simply stop voting for the two main parties. There are often 3rd party or no-party candidates for different offices. If everyone agreed to vote for these people — or write someone in in the absence of a good 3rd partier — then it would completely change the face of Washington.

    So long as you keep sending the same people back, you’ll just get more of the same thing they’re already doing. It doesn’t matter what the name on the candidate is; if you vote for either party, you’re sending the same people back. Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results is the very definition of insanity.

    • Liam_McGonagle

      Yup.  My current plan is a write-in ticket for FDR and Huey Long.

      On a tactical level, the problem clearly is 2 party dominance.  Many people have talked about that in this forum before.  But while I completely agree that redistricting, preference sharing and campaign finance reform are vital to breaking the stranglehold, I still feel that the main underlying strategic problem is America’s love affair with mediocrity.  Americans just crave comfort too much.  We’re unwilling to confront ugly truths or face disapproval of our peers in order to tell the painful truth.

      Right wing fcuk-nuttery like Tea Bagism is really just a comfort blanky–a cowardly, simplistic, half-baked ideology designed more to make us feel confident in a lazy version of American Exceptionalism rather than the lion-hearted bastion of virtue it unconvincingly lays claim to.

      We’re in pretty much the same situation Britain was in just before WWI–a declining hegemon weighed down by a calcified set of special business interests and deluded into horrible strategic blunders by the chimera of faded glories.  Dumbasses like Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann may be the most vocal proponents, but they wouldn’t find much of an audience if there weren’t legions of Americans begging to be deceived.

      But what’ll push us over the edge and put us back on the path to national redemption?  I don’t think it’ll ditching of the 2-party system alone.  After all, look at the situations in Ireland and the UK–they have tons of parties represented in their parliamentary systems, and if anything they’re even worse off than we are.

      What has to happen is that Americans need to wise up and realize that real philosophical and maybe even religious contemplation of moral responsibility is a vital necessity.  The problem is knee-jerk absolutism and the deep seated laziness it attempts to conceal, not contemplation or passionate conviction.  The problem isn’t that there are only two (or arguably only one) brands of imbeciles sitting at the table. 

      Obama is NOT a sleeper agent for Reince Priebus.  He’s just a spineless, wishy-washy tool that’ll do whatever the majority seem in favor of at any given moment.  And aren’t disasterous, ill-thought-out policies exactly what America has demanded from him?  If you have to triangulate between “quick, decisive action” and “compromise” with a pack of nihilistic morons, immediate capitulation is your sweet spot.

      • Rex Vestri

        “…but they wouldn’t find much of an audience if there weren’t legions of Americans begging to be deceived.”

        I agree completely. Too many Americans are too lazy to think for themselves, and far too eager to just let Fox News feed them lies and do their thinking for them. 

        • Terryjamesneal333

          What ever you say……”Only Kidding”!  I agree so much with what you wrote above, about the system (two party etc) being so misused and controlled by one and the same (super rich), that I had to look twice at the name at the bottom of the paragraph…believing that it “was” me who wrote it at an earlier time! Will people ever break this rule by wealth, Feudalistic, Illusory Democratic, “mishmash” of a Government? I don’t see how….Marat and Robespierre 2012.

        • http://www.facebook.com/redsoxphil8 Philip Durnin

          I do not think it is fair to only criticize one party for being lazy and for not thinking, only following. It is both parties that are guilty of it. 

          I cannot consider myself a republican anymore, not because my political views have changed, but because the views of the Republican party have changed. The leaders of both parties do not stand for my ideas, and they do not stand for progressives ideas. 
          Fox news doesnt feed anyone lies. CNN doesnt feed anyone lies. They tell us the truths that their audiences want to hear. Its as simple as that.

          Recently, my political ideology has transformed from Ra Ra Ra conservative talking points liberals are wrong….to, wow, I believe what i believe, but there is no one who will actually stand up for my beliefs. Just look at Obama. Ra Ra Ra Liberalism to a spineless piece of crap once the people with the money talk to him.

          Its just sad what our republic has turned into. The Tea Party sounds like a good movement for my belief sets, but i am not naive enough to believe whoever i vote will actually do what they say in their rallies.

          Oh and they talk about the founding fathers alot too. Well, i am pretty sure our first President discussed the issue of political parties, yet the tea party essentially is making another one. 

          Ohhhh well.

          God bless everyone. 

          • Rex Vestri

            “Fox news doesnt feed anyone lies” [sic]

            Incorrect!  Fox News LIES their ass off. In fact, FOX News has legally argued in court that they have the right to LIE and OBFUSCATE and won!

            NEW WORLD COMMUNICATIONS OF TAMPA, INC., versus JANE AKRE Case No. 2D01-529.
            http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-district-court-of-appeal/1310807.html

        • EntrenchedSheep

          While discussing politics at lunch with my colleagues. I actually had a person say to me; “I don’t like to think, it’s pointless.” To which I replied; “I think therefore I am. To think is to be alive.” 

          I believe we are now starting to evolve backwards to death.  

          • Hweila

            Thinking, without action, is every bit as useless as not thinking. If anything, it might even be worse as it wastes time that could be spent doing other things. And, no, posting angry comments on the internet doesn’t count as action.

      • quartz99

        Yeah, no disagreement here. I don’t think ditching the 2 party system is enough by itself. But it’s something that _everyone_ can participate in simply by voting. It’s big enough to send a very strong message that we’re done with the way things are but simple enough that everyone can understand it. Most true solutions are shades of subtlety and can seem very complex to the average person but “don’t vote for Republicans or Democrats anymore” is pretty straightforward.

        Sadly, in the current climate, you need a soundbite-sized solution if you want to sell people on an action. “Vote for someone new” is pretty soundbitey.

    • Simiantongue

      More than two parties. It’s radical, it’s new, it’s now. It’s also never going to happen IMO. Too much deep politics and finance wrapped up in the present rigged game, nobody is going to allow new players to sit in. So it would be more than an uphill battle for a third party to get off the ground it would be an up cliff battle. Not to be a total drip, here is a suggestion that may help those aspirations along. No more party designation on voting ballots. You know how many people simply go in an check democrat, democrat, democrat or republican, republican republican without even knowing who the hell they are voting for or why really? You don’t have to voice a guess, we all know how stupid many people can be. Well, with no party listing on the ballot they might actually have to know something in advance before stepping into that booth.

      It’s something that both parties would not want to happen, so it may never. They both enjoy that core demographic of people who have burned into their brains democrat = good republican = bad, or republican = good democrat = bad. This ignorance is partly why the two party dichotomy reigns. What needs to get across to people is that things are not a black and white as all that, perhaps then people will begin to be informed enough and realize there can be a third option other than deciding if they prefer to be eaten by coyotes or a wolves.

  • Anonymous

    Sadly, the signs were there for anyone who wanted to see them. He hasn’t done anything counter to what he said he was going to do. But to know that you had to go look at the policies and positions on his website, which were sometimes a slog to read through — maybe intentionally so, so that most people wouldn’t.

    That said, I still voted for him, even though I disagreed with him, because he was articulate and likeable and wouldn’t be an outright embarrassment to us in international politics. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been with McCain and Palin?

    But I won’t be voting for him again. I won’t be voting for another Democrat, for any office, unless they’re someone I know personally and trust to do a good job. And I haven’t been inclined to vote for a Republican for decades, not since the Dominionists started taking it over and pushing out all the fiscal conservatives (which was before I was of voting age, so I don’t think I’ve actually _ever_ voted for a Repub).

    The solution to today’s politics is for everyone to simply stop voting for the two main parties. There are often 3rd party or no-party candidates for different offices. If everyone agreed to vote for these people — or write someone in in the absence of a good 3rd partier — then it would completely change the face of Washington.

    So long as you keep sending the same people back, you’ll just get more of the same thing they’re already doing. It doesn’t matter what the name on the candidate is; if you vote for either party, you’re sending the same people back. Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results is the very definition of insanity.

  • SF2K01

    This is exactly what I expected and warned people about when I saw the messianic fervor. I wasn’t surprised in the least. Things won’t change though, they’ve happened before, they’ll happen again.

  • Anonymous

    This is exactly what I expected and warned people about when I saw the messianic fervor. I wasn’t surprised in the least. Things won’t change though, they’ve happened before, they’ll happen again.

  • Anonymous

    This is exactly what I expected and warned people about when I saw the messianic fervor. I wasn’t surprised in the least. Things won’t change though, they’ve happened before, they’ll happen again.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Well said, sir.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Well said, sir.

  • Terryjamesneal333

    Marat and Robespierre 2012

  • Anonymous

    Yup.  My current plan is a write-in ticket for FDR and Huey Long.

    On a tactical level, the problem clearly is 2 party dominance.  Many people have talked about that in this forum before.  But while I completely agree that redistricting, preference sharing and campaign finance reform are vital to breaking the stranglehold, I still feel that the main underlying strategic problem is America’s love affair with mediocrity.  Americans just crave comfort too much.  We’re unwilling to confront ugly truths or face disapproval of our peers in order to tell the painful truth.

    Right wing fcuk-nuttery like Tea Bagism is really just a comfort blanky–a cowardly, simplistic, half-baked ideology designed more to make us feel confident in a lazy version of American Exceptionalism rather than the lion-hearted bastion of virtue it unconvincingly lays claim to.

    We’re in pretty much the same situation Britain was in just before WWI–a declining hegemon weighed down by a calcified set of special business interests and deluded into horrible strategic blunders by the chimera of faded glories.  Dumbasses like Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann may be the most vocal proponents, but they wouldn’t find much of an audience if there weren’t legions of Americans begging to be deceived.

    But what’ll push us over the edge and put us back on the path to national redemption?  I don’t think it’ll ditching of the 2-party system alone.  After all, look at the situations in Ireland and the UK–they have tons of parties represented in their parliamentary systems, and if anything they’re even worse off than we are.

    What has to happen is that Americans need to wise up and realize that real philosophical and maybe even religious contemplation of moral responsibility is a vital necessity.  The problem is knee-jerk absolutism and the deep seated laziness it attempts to conceal, not contemplation or passionate conviction.  The problem isn’t that there are only two (or arguably only one) brands of imbeciles sitting at the table. 

    Obama is NOT a sleeper agent for Reince Priebus.  He’s just a spineless, wishy-washy tool that’ll do whatever the majority seem in favor of at any given moment.  And aren’t disasterous, ill-thought-out policies exactly what America has demanded from him?  If you have to triangulate between “quick, decisive action” and “compromise” with a pack of nihilistic morons, immediate capitulation is your sweet spot.

  • Rex Vestri

    “…but they wouldn’t find much of an audience if there weren’t legions of Americans begging to be deceived.”

    I agree completely. Too many Americans are too lazy to think for themselves, and far too eager to just let Fox News feed them lies and do their thinking for them. 

  • Rex Vestri

    “…but they wouldn’t find much of an audience if there weren’t legions of Americans begging to be deceived.”

    I agree completely. Too many Americans are too lazy to think for themselves, and far too eager to just let Fox News feed them lies and do their thinking for them. 

  • CosmicAmazing

    So the bottom line here is… Don’t vote for Obama!

    I didn’t vote for him, or McCain, because I understand the system is rigged. 

    I might vote for Ron Paul, even though I dislike Christians so very much..

  • CosmicAmazing

    So the bottom line here is… Don’t vote for Obama!

    I didn’t vote for him, or McCain, because I understand the system is rigged. 

    I might vote for Ron Paul, even though I dislike Christians so very much..

  • Terryjamesneal333

    What ever you say……”Only Kidding”!  I agree so much with what you wrote above, about the system (two party etc) being so misused and controlled by one and the same (super rich), that I had to look twice at the name at the bottom of the paragraph…believing that it “was” me who wrote it at an earlier time! Will people ever break this rule by wealth, Feudalistic, Illusory Democratic, “mishmash” of a Government? I don’t see how….Marat and Robespierre 2012.

  • Terryjamesneal333

    I voted for who I believed to be: 1. A black man  2. A man of integrity.  3. An honest man.  After a year and a half of him holding office….I learned that: 1. He is not a man  2. He is not black  3. and that he is a liar on a scale never before achieved by an American President (well done!). I voted for him for one reason in particular… (#1) Quote: We will be out of there by next summer at the latest…and you can take that to the bank”! End Quote.   Liar!  I hoped we could finally stop having our children die so that: 1. Israel can continue stealing Arab lands…2. So that we can double the “poppy production” in Afghanistan and 3. So that “Big Oil” could steal the resources (oil/natural gas) before Russia or China got to it first. It is sadly….a world run by, and controlled by…. very sick, very greedy, “Inbred Royals” and it needs to change!

  • http://www.facebook.com/redsoxphil8 Philip Durnin

    I do not think it is fair to only criticize one party for being lazy and for not thinking, only following. It is both parties that are guilty of it. 

    I cannot consider myself a republican anymore, not because my political views have changed, but because the views of the Republican party have changed. The leaders of both parties do not stand for my ideas, and they do not stand for progressives ideas. 
    Fox news doesnt feed anyone lies. CNN doesnt feed anyone lies. They tell us the truths that their audiences want to hear. Its as simple as that.

    Recently, my political ideology has transformed from Ra Ra Ra conservative talking points liberals are wrong….to, wow, I believe what i believe, but there is no one who will actually stand up for my beliefs. Just look at Obama. Ra Ra Ra Liberalism to a spineless piece of crap once the people with the money talk to him.

    Its just sad what our republic has turned into. The Tea Party sounds like a good movement for my belief sets, but i am not naive enough to believe whoever i vote will actually do what they say in their rallies.

    Oh and they talk about the founding fathers alot too. Well, i am pretty sure our first President discussed the issue of political parties, yet the tea party essentially is making another one. 

    Ohhhh well.

    God bless everyone. 

  • EntrenchedSheep

    While discussing politics at lunch with my colleagues. I actually had a person say to me; “I don’t like to think, it’s pointless.” To which I replied; “I think therefore I am. To think is to be alive.” 

    I believe we are now starting to evolve backwards to death.  

  • Pb

    u mad bro?

  • Chemosabe

    Both parties will sodomize you, but at least the Democrats use a fistful of lubricant. Obama 2012 YAY.

    • Rex Vestri

      …whereas the Republicans will just use their fists.

      • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

        I’ve long said that the key difference between the two parties was that they were both date rapists…but the Dems send flowers and apologies to you along the way and after the fact…while the GOP just pushes your limp and beaten body out of the car and laughs as they drive away. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/danecollins Danny Collins

          But then, what’s more dangerous, a wolf, or a wolf in sheep’s clothing?

          • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

            Doesn’t really matter if you get eaten and become wolf-shit either way ;-)

          • Chemosabe

            Very Good answer.

  • Anonymous

    Both parties will sodomize you, but at least the Democrats use a fistful of lubricant. Obama 2012 YAY.

  • Ian Smith

    Stupid naive white libtards!

    • MadHierophant

      Says the guy who I have no doubt is supporting the other side of a false dichotomy. 

      PROTIP: The Giant Douche AND the Turd Sanwich both suck. 

    • Hudeosbo

      What is a libtard? Is it similar to conserveasshole?

  • Ian Smith

    Stupid naive white libtards!

  • Jason Wilczak

    I can appreciate that you voted for a specific ideal and it didn’t pan out to be exactly (or even relatively close) to what you hoped for.  I voted for BO based on many of his promises (which PoliFact.org or FactCheck.org I can’t remember is keeping a tally on).  But I am also not a naive individual.

    I understand that voting for a politician needs to be done with some understanding.  Unless they are running for a 2nd term, they haven’t been a president before.  It’s easy to shoot your mouth off when running for office, but it’s alot different when you get there.  For example, I played High School football, I was pretty damn good, I played every game, both offense defense and special teams.  I was a big kid, so it was easy getting play time, but I was also a smart player, so that helped.  In any event, based on my experience, I can say that I would be a great NFL player.  I’ve “played the game”, I know the rules, and I can do it.  Not only can I do it, but I’m gonna rock.  Then I get drafted on all my promises of Super Bowl victory and championship playoffs and bomb horribly.  Why?  Because I haven’t played in the big leagues yet, I don’t understand the dynamics.  It’s not black and white.

    This is what happens with our “presidents-to-be”.  Some of them are liars, down to the bone.  However, some of them really do want to make a difference.  I believed and still believe, that BO WANTED to be that guy that changed the face of Washington.  However, when he got in the Captain’s seat, it wasn’t that easy.  Well, to be fair, the first couple of years were since it was all democratically controlled, but things changed.  Things that make simple sense to regular intelligent individual like, for example, a Public Option, get challenged by people being pushed with greed.  I think maybe BO wasn’t ready to deal with the harsh realities of money driven politics.  But I do think he wants to change them to be right.

    He has sacrificed many idealogies for things that had to be done.  For example, he had to give in the Bush tax cut extension so that the unemployed didn’t because straight up homeless.  What were his options there?  stand his ground?  That makes no sense.  Even for this budget crisis garbage, you’re blaming the wrong person.  It should have been a simple deficit deal with budget cuts and tax increases for the wealthy, but the greedy people won’t let it happen and our president has to somehow make things work.

    Look, I’m all for people expressing their opinion like in this article, but it just doesn’t make sense what you’re saying.  It’s not backed by any real substance, he has kept many promises, he has struck bi-partisan deals in the name of the lower class people, and has greatly improved our stance with the world.  Not voting for him for a 2nd term, is simply giving votes to the crazies on the other end of the spectrum.  And I’m sorry, but if I have a choice of a Republican president or Democratic president, i’m going democrat every time.  The 2 party system is messed up, but it’s not getting fixed by 2012, we need to vote Democrat in order to save this country’s dwindling self respect.

    I detail more on my blog here: temporalrelativity.blogspot.com

    • Jason Wilczak

      Just to keep things kosher, here is the link to politfact’s tally on Obama and keeping his promises:
      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

    • FREAKpowerULTD.

      “The 2 party system is messed up, but it’s not getting fixed by 2012, we
      need to vote Democrat in order to save this country’s dwindling self
      respect.”

      WOW! really?

      Maybe we need to lose the idea that we can change anything or maintain our “self respect”(whatever that means) through voting and actually organize ourselves to bring about real societal change. Maybe a revolution is in order. Oops, I said a dirty word.

      As an anarchist(libertarian-socialist) I won’t be voting for anyone in 2012. Instead i will be working to make change for the better in my life and those around me and my community. I’ll be looking for any way possible to fight back against a system that does not and never has given a fuck about me or anyone else without money or power.

      Maybe if you keep voting democrat, one day they’ll actually grow a conscience and you’ll see the change you’d like to see before you die, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

      By the way, good luck in the 2012 NFL Draft.

      • Jason Wilczak

        I like your comment because I do agree with you.  The major problem is that a revolution isn’t going to work, it never does.  Even if, on the surface there is change brought about from this hypothetical revolution, it is only temporary.  Soon enough the hands of greed will strangle those with the power, it may be one generation, it may be five, but it will happen, and people in the future will be having the same discussion we’re having now.

        • FREAKpowerULTD.

          Well, its often been said that revolution doesn’t work. I think this is based mostly on the failed marxist revolutions of the twentieth century, and also the American Revolution, which in the long run has proven to be a failure. In all or most of these cases, a small knowledgeable elite led ignorant peasants in an overthrow of state power, which they then claimed for themselves. Then, in their absolute power, they became corrupted, if they weren’t already. This is why I advocate the abolition of the state. Non-hierarchical organization is the only way that humans will ever be free. It will require knowledge and imagination and i may never see its full fruition in my lifetime, but if their is any future for humanity…..its an anarchist future, baby!

          • robertpinkerton

            If the revolutions of 1917 (Russia) and 1933 (Germany) teach us anything, it is that when ethnic conflict is superimposed upon social revolution, this brings out the bloodthirsty worst in human beings.

    • Liam_McGonagle

      Think you’re missing the point.

      The only reason the cruise toward this country’s doom has proceded without any serious speed bumps to date is because of pragmatic compromises just like the stale retread that you’re proposing here.  Obama, and probably you, believe that the essence of democracy is crafting the least painful tactical approach possible.

      Hogwash.  That’s not democracy.  That doesn’t belong to any school of governance or leadership at all.  What that is is chaos–surrender to the most insistent minority.

      True leadership lies in understanding your polity’s core concerns and vigorously promoting with commitment a set of tactical policies to acheive them.  And Obama is an utter and complete failure at this dimension of leadership.  He consistently throws away every advantage given to him. 

      He refuses to get tough with nihilistic morons and force them to take responsibility for their actions.  Obama should have gone to the wall on behalf of Sanders et alia last December: 

       ”Really wanna persue an unprecedented tax giveaway for idle trust fund millionaires, Republicans?  Fine.  Do that sh*t in January when your freshmen are sworn in.  You want it so bad, you take ownership.  And I hope you can get a veto-proof majority without control of the Senate, because you’re gonna need it. I”ve got a CBO report here that says this tax cut is a complete g*ddamned disaster.  Remember, I’ve been waving it around all campaign season.”

      But what does Obama do instead?  Takes the “Drift-and-Float” strategy, trying to change tack towards the seemingly-prevalant Tea Bagger winds.  Obama betrays his own caucus, turns 180 degrees and sends NAFTA-swilling jackal Bill Clinton on a carny-style roadshow to claim the tax cuts would turn unemployment around.

      So here we are in August.  No improvement in unemployment.  One humiliating shambles of a debt ceiling fight and an unprecedented credit downgrade later, and it’s pretty clear what Obama got for his pragmatic compromise:  The lowest approval / highest DISapproval ratings ever.  Instead of having a cudgel to beat off the forces of stupid, he’s got the stinking reputation of a cowardly liar hanging around his neck as well as redoubled fiscal and economic problems.

      Obama a leader?  He couldn’t get a hungry dog to follow him if he was covered in Braunschweiger.

      • Hudeosbo

        I agree whole-heartedly. How can we go about finding an alternative candidate for the Democratic primary? I am not sure Obama can get re-elected and I sure don’t want a republican. Any ideas on how to start a draft Al Gore to run, for example.

  • Jason Wilczak

    I can appreciate that you voted for a specific ideal and it didn’t pan out to be exactly (or even relatively close) to what you hoped for.  I voted for BO based on many of his promises (which PoliFact.org or FactCheck.org I can’t remember is keeping a tally on).  But I am also not a naive individual.

    I understand that voting for a politician needs to be done with some understanding.  Unless they are running for a 2nd term, they haven’t been a president before.  It’s easy to shoot your mouth off when running for office, but it’s alot different when you get there.  For example, I played High School football, I was pretty damn good, I played every game, both offense defense and special teams.  I was a big kid, so it was easy getting play time, but I was also a smart player, so that helped.  In any event, based on my experience, I can say that I would be a great NFL player.  I’ve “played the game”, I know the rules, and I can do it.  Not only can I do it, but I’m gonna rock.  Then I get drafted on all my promises of Super Bowl victory and championship playoffs and bomb horribly.  Why?  Because I haven’t played in the big leagues yet, I don’t understand the dynamics.  It’s not black and white.

    This is what happens with our “presidents-to-be”.  Some of them are liars, down to the bone.  However, some of them really do want to make a difference.  I believed and still believe, that BO WANTED to be that guy that changed the face of Washington.  However, when he got in the Captain’s seat, it wasn’t that easy.  Well, to be fair, the first couple of years were since it was all democratically controlled, but things changed.  Things that make simple sense to regular intelligent individual like, for example, a Public Option, get challenged by people being pushed with greed.  I think maybe BO wasn’t ready to deal with the harsh realities of money driven politics.  But I do think he wants to change them to be right.

    He has sacrificed many idealogies for things that had to be done.  For example, he had to give in the Bush tax cut extension so that the unemployed didn’t because straight up homeless.  What were his options there?  stand his ground?  That makes no sense.  Even for this budget crisis garbage, you’re blaming the wrong person.  It should have been a simple deficit deal with budget cuts and tax increases for the wealthy, but the greedy people won’t let it happen and our president has to somehow make things work.

    Look, I’m all for people expressing their opinion like in this article, but it just doesn’t make sense what you’re saying.  It’s not backed by any real substance, he has kept many promises, he has struck bi-partisan deals in the name of the lower class people, and has greatly improved our stance with the world.  Not voting for him for a 2nd term, is simply giving votes to the crazies on the other end of the spectrum.  And I’m sorry, but if I have a choice of a Republican president or Democratic president, i’m going democrat every time.  The 2 party system is messed up, but it’s not getting fixed by 2012, we need to vote Democrat in order to save this country’s dwindling self respect.

    I detail more on my blog here: temporalrelativity.blogspot.com

  • Rex Vestri

    “Fox news doesnt feed anyone lies”

    Incorrect!  Fox News LIES their ass off. In fact, FOX News has legally argued in court that they have the right to LIE and OBFUSCATE and won!

    NEW WORLD COMMUNICATIONS OF TAMPA, INC., versus JANE AKRE Case No. 2D01-529.
    http://www.projectcensored.org/publi…s/2005/11.html

  • Rex Vestri

    …while the Republicans will just use their fists.

  • Jason Wilczak

    Just to keep things kosher, here is the link to politfact’s tally on Obama and keeping his promises:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    I’ve long said that the key difference between the two parties was that they were both date rapists…but the Dems send flowers and apologies to you along the way and after the fact…while the GOP just pushes your limp and beaten body out of the car and laughs as they drive away. 

  • Dane Collins

    But then, what’s more dangerous, a wolf, or a wolf in sheep’s clothing?

  • FREAKpowerULTD.

    “The 2 party system is messed up, but it’s not getting fixed by 2012, we
    need to vote Democrat in order to save this country’s dwindling self
    respect.”

    WOW! really?

    Maybe we need to lose the idea that we can change anything or maintain our “self respect”(whatever that means) through voting and actually organize ourselves to bring about real societal change. Maybe a revolution is in order. Oops, I said a dirty word.

    As an anarchist(libertarian-socialist) I won’t be voting for anyone in 2012. Instead i will be working to make change for the better in my life and those around me and my community. I’ll be looking for any way possible to fight back against a system that does not and never has given a fuck about me or anyone else without money or power.

    Maybe if you keep voting democrat, one day they’ll actually grow a conscience and you’ll see the change you’d like to see before you die, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

    By the way, good luck in the 2012 NFL Draft.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Time for confessional:

    Despite being socially liberal on about 99% of most issues of the day. I was moderately fond of John McCain in 2007. Or at least I didn’t completely despise him…which is rare enough for me when the GOP is concerned.

    Then he picked Sarah Palin as a running mate and cozied to the religious right…which sent me screaming in the other direction as fast as my legs could take me. Social conservatives are my kryptonite…they are the root of all evils in our fading nation…and champions of a return to barbarism and mysticism better suited to a time when clothes were made from animal furs and entertainment was whacking things with sticks.

    I was content to see the end of the Bush era and mostly wanted the clique of neo-con bedwetters booted the hell out of power…since neo-con (not old school conservativism) philosophies of economics and government were at the core of every fuck up made between 2001 and 2008…and most of the fuck ups before that.

    I wasn’t badly hurt by Obama’s betrayal…because politicians from Chicago are not known for their honesty and forthrightness…for a reason. Anyone who survived and prospered in the Chicago ‘machine’ is tainted by default…theres only so far they would have gotten without massively compromising their integrity. If he were a genuinely honest guy…we’d never have heard of him.

    Admittedly…I was curious because after hearing Obama decried as someone slightly left of Stalin and Mao…I figured that he’d at least be slightly left of Reagan in reality. The tragedy is that he didn’t even manage that.

    So for those who actually believed whole heartedly and thought we’d entered a new era of shining liberal goodness that would sweep away the ills of the past…I feel your pain…but you kind of had it coming for being suckers of epic magnitude. Sorry kids…until you go third party and admit that no one in the big two gives a shit about you or your country…you’re doomed to experience the same pain over and over again…like an abused spouse who keeps refusing to move or press charges because deep down your blinded by love you just won’t let go of. I recommend counseling.

    • Litster Pete

      Here here

    • Litster Pete

      Well written. Big fan of erudition mixed with the judicious use of expletives :)

    • Litster Pete

      Also should note that I was on the Utah state steering committee for Nader/LaDuke in 2000. If Nader would have let them take hom to jail at the second TV debates in Chicago, I was prepared to go to lock up in front-line solidarity in Utah. But whatever. I think federal elections are a sad fucking joke.

      I don’t think I’ll ever recover from that bullshit election, I don’t think the US or the world will either. I agree with every word you said. Thanks.

      • BUSTED

        Alter ego conversation?  i am screen capturing this you always post here and you are so phoney.   VOXMagi = ListerPete  i wish i had 2 thumbs on each hand so i could give you four thumbs down!!!

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Time for confessional:

    Despite being socially liberal on about 99% of most issues of the day. I was moderately fond of John McCain in 2007. Or at least I didn’t completely despise him…which is rare enough for me when the GOP is concerned.

    Then he picked Sarah Palin as a running mate and cozied to the religious right…which sent me screaming in the other direction as fast as my legs could take me. Social conservatives are my kryptonite…they are the root of all evils in our fading nation…and champions of a return to barbarism and mysticism better suited to a time when clothes were made from animal furs and entertainment was whacking things with sticks.

    I was content to see the end of the Bush era and mostly wanted the clique of neo-con bedwetters booted the hell out of power…since neo-con (not old school conservativism) philosophies of economics and government were at the core of every fuck up made between 2001 and 2008…and most of the fuck ups before that.

    I wasn’t badly hurt by Obama’s betrayal…because politicians from Chicago are not known for their honesty and forthrightness…for a reason. Anyone who survived and prospered in the Chicago ‘machine’ is tainted by default…theres only so far they would have gotten without massively compromising their integrity. If he were a genuinely honest guy…we’d never have heard of him.

    Admittedly…I was curious because after hearing Obama decried as someone slightly left of Stalin and Mao…I figured that he’d at least be slightly left of Reagan in reality. The tragedy is that he didn’t even manage that.

    So for those who actually believed whole heartedly and thought we’d entered a new era of shining liberal goodness that would sweep away the ills of the past…I feel your pain…but you kind of had it coming for being suckers of epic magnitude. Sorry kids…until you go third party and admit that no one in the big two gives a shit about you or your country…you’re doomed to experience the same pain over and over again…like an abused spouse who keeps refusing to move or press charges because deep down your blinded by love you just won’t let go of. I recommend counseling.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Doesn’t really matter if you get eaten and become wolf-shit either way ;-)

  • Jason Wilczak

    I like your comment because I do agree with you.  The major problem is that a revolution isn’t going to work, it never does.  Even if, on the surface there is change brought about from this hypothetical revolution, it is only temporary.  Soon enough the hands of greed will strangle those with the power, it may be one generation, it may be five, but it will happen, and people in the future will be having the same discussion we’re having now.

  • FREAKpowerULTD.

    Well, its often been said that revolution doesn’t work. I think this is based mostly on the failed marxist revolutions of the twentieth century, and also the American Revolution, which in the long run has proven to be a failure. In all or most of these cases, a small knowledgeable elite led ignorant peasants in an overthrow of state power, which they then claimed for themselves. Then, in their absolute power, they became corrupted, if they weren’t already. This is why I advocate the abolition of the state. Non-hierarchical organization is the only way that humans will ever be free. It will require knowledge and imagination and i may never see its full fruition in my lifetime, but if their is any future for humanity…..its an anarchist future, baby!

  • Anonymous

    If the revolutions of 1917 (Russia) and 1933 (Germany) teach us anything, it is that when ethnic conflict is superimposed upon social revolution, this brings out the bloodthirsty worst in human beings.

  • Anonymous

    Think you’re missing the point.

    The only reason the cruise toward this country’s doom has proceded without any serious speed bumps to date is because of pragmatic compromises just like the stale retread that you’re proposing here.  Obama, and probably you, believe that the essence of democracy is crafting the least painful tactical approach possible.

    Hogwash.  That’s not democracy.  That doesn’t belong to any school of governance or leadership at all.  What that is is chaos–surrender to the most insistent minority.

    True leadership lies in understanding your polity’s core concerns and vigorously promoting with commitment a set of tactical policies to acheive them.  And Obama is an utter and complete failure at this dimension of leadership.  He consistently throws away every advantage given to him. 

    He refuses to get tough with nihilistic morons and force them to take responsibility for their actions.  Obama should have gone to the wall on behalf of Sanders et alia last December: 

     ”Really wanna persue an unprecedented tax giveaway for idle trust fund millionaires, Republicans?  Fine.  Do that sh*t in January when your freshmen are sworn in.  You want it so bad, you take ownership.  And I hope you can get a veto-proof majority without control of the Senate, because you’re gonna need it. I”ve got a CBO report here that says this tax cut is a complete g*ddamned disaster.  Remember, I’ve been waving it around all campaign season.”

    But what does Obama do instead?  Takes the “Drift-and-Float” strategy, trying to change tack towards the seemingly-prevalant Tea Bagger winds.  Obama betrays his own caucus, turns 180 degrees and sends NAFTA-swilling jackal Bill Clinton on a carny-style roadshow to claim the tax cuts would turn unemployment around.

    So here we are in August.  No improvement in unemployment.  One humiliating shambles of a debt ceiling fight and an unprecedented credit downgrade later, and it’s pretty clear what Obama got for his pragmatic compromise:  The lowest approval / highest DISapproval ratings ever.  Instead of having a cudgel to beat off the forces of stupid, he’s got the stinking reputation of a cowardly liar hanging around his neck as well as redoubled fiscal and economic problems.

    Obama a leader?  He couldn’t get a hungry dog to follow him if he was covered in Braunschweiger.

  • Vallindsay2

    I had to vote for Nader in 2008. Yes, he was too old in my opinion. But in April of ’08 Obama said as then-senator he would vote to not allow immunity for the telecoms in regards to who told them to give up their customers’ information. PROMISED he would vote against it. October ’08 rolls around and he voted to allow for it. A simple thing like that made me realize that there would be countless things as president he would say and not follow through on. I really, really, REALLY hate being vindicated in this, but so far it’s exactly how he has acted as president…

  • Vallindsay2

    I had to vote for Nader in 2008. Yes, he was too old in my opinion. But in April of ’08 Obama said as then-senator he would vote to not allow immunity for the telecoms in regards to who told them to give up their customers’ information. PROMISED he would vote against it. October ’08 rolls around and he voted to allow for it. A simple thing like that made me realize that there would be countless things as president he would say and not follow through on. I really, really, REALLY hate being vindicated in this, but so far it’s exactly how he has acted as president…

  • OdinMcHaggis

    I have supported the President as long as I could through many betrayals e.g, the public option , the insurance mandate w/ fines, Gitmo, we’re out of Iraq , support for unions, no free trade agreements but when he signed the extension of the Bush Tax cuts when all he had to do was let them expire, that was it for me. Republicans are not an option for me, so my vote and my money are out.

  • Anonymous

    I have supported the President as long as I could through many betrayals e.g, the public option , the insurance mandate w/ fines, Gitmo, we’re out of Iraq , support for unions, no free trade agreements but when he signed the extension of the Bush Tax cuts when all he had to do was let them expire, that was it for me. Republicans are not an option for me, so my vote and my money are out.

  • Anonymous

    Says the guy who I have no doubt is supporting the other side of a false dichotomy. 

    PROTIP: The Giant Douche AND the Turd Sanwich both suck. 

  • Anonymous

    Says the guy who I have no doubt is supporting the other side of a false dichotomy. 

    PROTIP: The Giant Douche AND the Turd Sanwich both suck. 

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, no disagreement here. I don’t think ditching the 2 party system is enough by itself. But it’s something that _everyone_ can participate in simply by voting. It’s big enough to send a very strong message that we’re done with the way things are but simple enough that everyone can understand it. Most true solutions are shades of subtlety and can seem very complex to the average person but “don’t vote for Republicans or Democrats anymore” is pretty straightforward.

    Sadly, in the current climate, you need a soundbite-sized solution if you want to sell people on an action. “Vote for someone new” is pretty soundbitey.

  • Travisty

    I wish Obama had done more, And honestly some of the things you say are right,  but you can’t hate Obama just because he tried to work with the other party. I dont like the other party because they won’t work with him, and i do think he gives in to much. However I’m not sure how he is supposed to fix everything without cooperation. The system was built to prevent him from having that power, and yes it is working against the people at this point, but without changing the system he only has limited power, and personally i’m not willing to change the system to offer others in that office the same complete power.

  • Travisty

    I wish Obama had done more, And honestly some of the things you say are right,  but you can’t hate Obama just because he tried to work with the other party. I dont like the other party because they won’t work with him, and i do think he gives in to much. However I’m not sure how he is supposed to fix everything without cooperation. The system was built to prevent him from having that power, and yes it is working against the people at this point, but without changing the system he only has limited power, and personally i’m not willing to change the system to offer others in that office the same complete power.

  • Travisty

    I wish Obama had done more, And honestly some of the things you say are right,  but you can’t hate Obama just because he tried to work with the other party. I dont like the other party because they won’t work with him, and i do think he gives in to much. However I’m not sure how he is supposed to fix everything without cooperation. The system was built to prevent him from having that power, and yes it is working against the people at this point, but without changing the system he only has limited power, and personally i’m not willing to change the system to offer others in that office the same complete power.

  • Anonymous

     ”1. A black man  2. A man of integrity.  3. An honest man.”I hope that’s not order of priority, because if it is, it’s backwards. Hell, #1 is totally irrelevant. 

  • DeepCough

    You know what, this is all being done on purpose. The Democrats and Republicans are just playing on each other’s fuck-ups to gain election. Of course people voted for Obama–he wasn’t Bush. But now, even if the Republicans don’t get the Oval Office in 2012, they can just wait for four more years of disasters to happen, pin them on Obama, whether he is responsible or not, and get the 2016 election no problem. And on and on that cycle will go until such time that the U.S. collapses on account of its own redundancy.

  • DeepCough

    You know what, this is all being done on purpose. The Democrats and Republicans are just playing on each other’s fuck-ups to gain election. Of course people voted for Obama–he wasn’t Bush. But now, even if the Republicans don’t get the Oval Office in 2012, they can just wait for four more years of disasters to happen, pin them on Obama, whether he is responsible or not, and get the 2016 election no problem. And on and on that cycle will go until such time that the U.S. collapses on account of its own redundancy.

    • MadHierophant

      Pretty much summed it up. No one on either side, ANY side, is trying to fix a goddamn thing: they just want to stay in office. The means has become the end.

  • Anonymous

    Pretty much summed it up. No one on either side, ANY side, is trying to fix a goddamn thing: they just want to stay in office. The means has become the end.

  • Ironaddict06

    You have to tip your hat at George Soros and company.  Well played Sir.

  • Ironaddict06

    You have to tip your hat at George Soros and company.  Well played Sir.

  • Liberal Guy

    Vote for Kucinich or Nader.

  • Liberal Guy

    Vote for Kucinich or Nader.

  • Anonymous

    Very Good answer.

  • trebor

    Danny, Really liked your article on the President. I have been watching these things unfold for years. I refused to vote in the 08 election-since i believe these men are chosen not elected. I predicted that the newly elected prez or CEO of the country would not be very different from Bush. I was ridiculed and laughed at then. Same war, same footsie with the banksters etc etc. Your idea of using social media is a great one. The reason they were cool to the idea is because they wont need it! That is because Obama already has another four years-bought and paid for. As long as he does thier bidding. How about using social media for a revolution!? Wait-is that subversive!? Sorry guys just kidding. Dont monitor me please. I’ll be a good little slave strawman!

  • trebor

    Danny, Really liked your article on the President. I have been watching these things unfold for years. I refused to vote in the 08 election-since i believe these men are chosen not elected. I predicted that the newly elected prez or CEO of the country would not be very different from Bush. I was ridiculed and laughed at then. Same war, same footsie with the banksters etc etc. Your idea of using social media is a great one. The reason they were cool to the idea is because they wont need it! That is because Obama already has another four years-bought and paid for. As long as he does thier bidding. How about using social media for a revolution!? Wait-is that subversive!? Sorry guys just kidding. Dont monitor me please. I’ll be a good little slave strawman!

  • trebor

    Danny, Really liked your article on the President. I have been watching these things unfold for years. I refused to vote in the 08 election-since i believe these men are chosen not elected. I predicted that the newly elected prez or CEO of the country would not be very different from Bush. I was ridiculed and laughed at then. Same war, same footsie with the banksters etc etc. Your idea of using social media is a great one. The reason they were cool to the idea is because they wont need it! That is because Obama already has another four years-bought and paid for. As long as he does thier bidding. How about using social media for a revolution!? Wait-is that subversive!? Sorry guys just kidding. Dont monitor me please. I’ll be a good little slave strawman!

  • Litster Pete

    Here here

  • Litster Pete

    Well written. Big fan of erudition mixed with the judicious use of expletives :)

  • Litster Pete

    Also should note that I was on the Utah state steering committee for Nader/LaDuke in 2000. If Nader would have let them take hom to jail at the second TV debates in Chicago, I was prepared to go to lock up in front-line solidarity in Utah. But whatever. I think federal elections are a sad fucking joke.

    I don’t think I’ll ever recover from that bullshit election, I don’t think the US or the world will either. I agree with every word you said. Thanks.

  • Simiantongue

    More than two parties. It’s radical, it’s new, it’s now. It’s also never going to happen IMO. Too much deep politics and finance wrapped up in the present rigged game, nobody is going to allow new players to sit in. So it would be more than an uphill battle for a third party to get off the ground it would be an up cliff battle. Not to be a total drip, here is a suggestion that may help those aspirations along. No more party designation on voting ballots. You know how many people simply go in an check democrat, democrat, democrat or republican, republican republican without even knowing who the hell they are voting for or why really? You don’t have to voice a guess, we all know how stupid many people can be. Well, with no party listing on the ballot they might actually have to know something in advance before stepping into that booth.

    It’s something that both parties would not want to happen, so it may never. They both enjoy that core demographic of people who have burned into their brains democrat = good republican = bad, or republican = good democrat = bad. This ignorance is partly why the two party dichotomy reigns. What needs to get across to people is that things are not a black and white as all that, perhaps then people will begin to be informed enough and realize there can be a third option other than deciding if they prefer to be eaten by coyotes or a wolves.

  • Dan Muench

    Well, someone besides me said it – years later, of course, but then, I don’t have any reputation to protect by being rationally cautious. 

    I knew what was up when Henry Kissinger publicly stated that the financial crisis was an opportunity for the then-President Elect to create a “New World Order”. They say they’ll judge you by the company you keep – and he’s been cozying up to the world’s greatest known war criminal since college. The fact that his election cost more than any other (adjusted for inflation) in our history didn’t exactly constitute a ‘popular mandate’, especially when you saw the major contributors. 

    And on and on. Birth certificate? Kenya connection? Straw man arguments meant to make anyone questioning him look like a kook. 

    I think the ‘powers that be’ decided that either a woman or a ‘colored’ was the best gambit, since attacking either one of them for their obvious shortcomings in office would result in being labeled either a misogynist or racist. Seems to have worked. Clinton simply wasn’t clean enough – too many people hate her rightly or wrongly – and the racist card has always trumped the sexist card anyway. Ask your local gangsta rapper. 

    In the end, if they occupy the White House, they’re one of two things:

    A) Bought and paid for, or
    B) realize that they don’t control squat – and are dead the instant they try to. 

    Being a woman or non-white (or half non white, in this case) isn’t going to change that – you simply have to be a ‘member of the club’ if you want the position. Makes the bullshit they’re selling look good, though – hell, even the rest of the world drank the kool-aid right along with America. And now, they’re really packing the Republican shit sandwich – so the Democratic Douche seems like the only way to go. Business as usual. 

    Bill Hicks always says it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL-33xWX2gQ

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1180747740 Dan Muench

    Well, someone besides me said it – years later, of course, but then, I don’t have any reputation to protect by being rationally cautious. 

    I knew what was up when Henry Kissinger publicly stated that the financial crisis was an opportunity for the then-President Elect to create a “New World Order”. They say they’ll judge you by the company you keep – and he’s been cozying up to the world’s greatest known war criminal since college. The fact that his election cost more than any other (adjusted for inflation) in our history didn’t exactly constitute a ‘popular mandate’, especially when you saw the major contributors. 

    And on and on. Birth certificate? Kenya connection? Straw man arguments meant to make anyone questioning him look like a kook. 

    I think the ‘powers that be’ decided that either a woman or a ‘colored’ was the best gambit, since attacking either one of them for their obvious shortcomings in office would result in being labeled either a misogynist or racist. Seems to have worked. Clinton simply wasn’t clean enough – too many people hate her rightly or wrongly – and the racist card has always trumped the sexist card anyway. Ask your local gangsta rapper. 

    In the end, if they occupy the White House, they’re one of two things:

    A) Bought and paid for, or
    B) realize that they don’t control squat – and are dead the instant they try to. 

    Being a woman or non-white (or half non white, in this case) isn’t going to change that – you simply have to be a ‘member of the club’ if you want the position. Makes the bullshit they’re selling look good, though – hell, even the rest of the world drank the kool-aid right along with America. And now, they’re really packing the Republican shit sandwich – so the Democratic Douche seems like the only way to go. Business as usual. 

    Bill Hicks always says it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL-33xWX2gQ

  • emperorreagan

    I wrote in Bill Ayers.  

    The only people on the ballet I ever vote for are Greens, sometimes – otherwise I write someone or something else in.

  • emperorreagan

    I wrote in Bill Ayers.  

    The only people on the ballet I ever vote for are Greens, sometimes – otherwise I write someone or something else in.

    • Liam_McGonagle

      I really am beginning to think that the write-in could have a long-term practical impact, in terms of establishing the requisite moral tone, if not in acheiving short-term electoral or policy success.

      But it’d have to be the write candidates.  It’s tempting to pick a personal favorite just for the sheer “fcuk you” factor.  But my instinct tells me that’s kind of a stroke off that may well be as counterproductive as the wishy-washy pragmatists claim.

      The person doesn’t have to be electible in today’s terms necessarily, just morally consistent and representative of some aspect of American glory.  I don’t mean the type of “Team America, Fkcu Yeah!” bullshit that empty-headed Tea Baggers hold up, but I mean for populist real heros who stood up to monumental challenges with intelligence and conviction. 

      FDR could just possibly cut muster, though my other favorite, Huey Long probably couldn’t.  He definitely had the fire in the belly, but relatively few people remember him today.  He died early and had a very controversial career.

      Can you imagine that?  A write-in campaign that takes even 5% of the popular vote?  It’d go a long way to turning this thing away from the amoral, self-destructive march to stupid that began under Uncle Dutch.

      • emperorreagan

        Since I think that all citizens should vote, I always go to the voting booth and cast my vote in a way I don’t find morally repugnant.  If I didn’t write people in, I probably wouldn’t vote at all because I can’t buy the lesser of two evils arguments.  

        Practically speaking, my vote is irrelevant.  I live in a congressional district gerrymandered to ensure that a Democrat will be elected.  I live in a reliably Democratic state.  Baltimore City hasn’t elected anyone but a Democrat for mayor since the 60s.        

        So I completely reject the pragmatist criticism.  Of course, I reject most “pragmatic” arguments out-of-hand now, because I’ve come to believe that people aren’t really examining what’s practical, but instead are just picking what’s easy.

        I have considered a write-in campaign for myself on various absurd platforms.  Latest idea – my platform would be to cast my vote on any bill based on the first text message I receive 15 minutes before voting starts.

        What I actually think needs to happen is for groups on the left to start organizing and agitating, much in the way the Christian right did. A large scale campaign for a write-in vote might be worthwhile, but not until you’ve got people hounding their congressmen, the President, the staffers, the interns, and anyone else they can find.

        • Liam_McGonagle

          The Left is beginning to get more organized.  At least at the state level.  I sense there is momentum building in Wisconsin for the state party to formally split from the DNC.  And it’ll be the unions that form the shell of the street level campaigning infrastructure.

          If memory serves correct, in previous posts you’ve recommended a number of campaign reforms in the past–preference sharing, public funding and spending caps, etc.  Those things have to happen, but it’ll probably be decades before we really see a comprehensive set of these measures go into effect.

          I say that what’s holding up the show is America’s cultural pervsersion.  Consumerism has rendered us myopic imbeciles and philistines.  Everything has to be justified in terms of the quarterly-reporting corporate business model–there’s no room for mature contemplation or a vision of relationships other than a narrowly parasitic buy-low/sell-high approach.

          All this bullshit Republicans pitch (and national Dems accept unquestioningly) is completely oblivious to the fact that government IS NOT a business–it’s purpose is to constructively mediate public relationships, not extract personal profit from the constitutants.  There is 0% chance of even modest progress without brining the dumbass “Magic of the Markets” mythology to heel.

          Yeah, there’s some evidence that it’s lost some of its power.  3 years of 10% unemployment will do that.  But frankly the demise of this pernicious lie can’t die quickly enough to satisfy me.

          A strategic national write-in campaign could help speed up the process.  Even if it doesn’t produce near-term policy results, it would reinforce a truly national consenus that politics has to be taken out of the hands of incompetent hacks and put into the hands of thoughtful visionaries.

          That’s why I tend to go with the classic, traditional with the my write-in choices.  It’s not a crass pragmatic move to leverage “brand name recognition”.  It’s a strategic movement toward the fcuking common sensicle.

  • Nick

    Just a whiner who needs to write something provocative to make a living.  No substance.  Obama hasn’t given them everything they want, when they want it.  Reality is tough.  It’s going to get tougher for people with the “what have you done for me lately” mentality.  Leading through the deepest economic downturn in 80 years, cleaning up two wars, financial corruption, BP spills, earth quakes, hurricanes, battling the teabaggers who put politics above country, breaking the news to the spoiled populace that they can’t have $700,000,000,000 in defense, early retirement, top medicare, and everything else that has been given to them, on credit, for the past 50 years is going to make some people unhappy.  They better get use to it.  Like the author implied he was looking for a god to believe in.  Unfortuantly the presidents are just men, so these people need to get use to reality. 

  • Nick

    Just a whiner who needs to write something provocative to make a living.  No substance.  Obama hasn’t given them everything they want, when they want it.  Reality is tough.  It’s going to get tougher for people with the “what have you done for me lately” mentality.  Leading through the deepest economic downturn in 80 years, cleaning up two wars, financial corruption, BP spills, earth quakes, hurricanes, battling the teabaggers who put politics above country, breaking the news to the spoiled populace that they can’t have $700,000,000,000 in defense, early retirement, top medicare, and everything else that has been given to them, on credit, for the past 50 years is going to make some people unhappy.  They better get use to it.  Like the author implied he was looking for a god to believe in.  Unfortuantly the presidents are just men, so these people need to get use to reality. 

  • Nick

    Just a whiner who needs to write something provocative to make a living.  No substance.  Obama hasn’t given them everything they want, when they want it.  Reality is tough.  It’s going to get tougher for people with the “what have you done for me lately” mentality.  Leading through the deepest economic downturn in 80 years, cleaning up two wars, financial corruption, BP spills, earth quakes, hurricanes, battling the teabaggers who put politics above country, breaking the news to the spoiled populace that they can’t have $700,000,000,000 in defense, early retirement, top medicare, and everything else that has been given to them, on credit, for the past 50 years is going to make some people unhappy.  They better get use to it.  Like the author implied he was looking for a god to believe in.  Unfortuantly the presidents are just men, so these people need to get use to reality. 

  • Anonymous

    I really am beginning to think that the write-in could have a long-term practical impact, in terms of establishing the requisite moral tone, if not in acheiving short-term electoral or policy success.

    But it’d have to be the write candidates.  It’s tempting to pick a personal favorite just for the sheer “fcuk you” factor.  But my instinct tells me that’s kind of a stroke off that may well be as counterproductive as the wishy-washy pragmatists claim.

    The person doesn’t have to be electible in today’s terms necessarily, just morally consistent and representative of some aspect of American glory.  I don’t mean the type of “Team America, Fkcu Yeah!” bullshit that empty-headed Tea Baggers hold up, but I mean for populist real heros who stood up to monumental challenges with intelligence and conviction. 

    FDR could just possibly cut muster, though my other favorite, Huey Long probably couldn’t.  He definitely had the fire in the belly, but relatively few people remember him today.  He died early and had a very controversial career.

    Can you imagine that?  A write-in campaign that takes even 5% of the popular vote?  It’d go a long way to turning this thing away from the amoral, self-destructive march to stupid that began under Uncle Dutch.

  • Godozo

    I voted for him mainly because of his response to McCain’s promise of a gas tax holiday for Americans (a promise that Hillary was a bit overeager to add to her campaign, an action that to me signaled that she was over). I still remember the commercial: “What will the average American get from [the gas tax holiday]? Twenty-two dollars…(pause)…or a half a tank of gas. (appreciative laughter)

    So what does he do? A cut on Social Security Tax…a more dangerous tax cut, as people will never want their roads to go to pot but will happily impoverish the future for an extra nickle in their paychecks.

    Sorry, but the guy’s a wimp at absolute best. And I personally think he’s working for the Republicans, so that some Tea Party nut will have no chance of NOT being elected and wrecking our system in 2012.

  • Godozo

    I voted for him mainly because of his response to McCain’s promise of a gas tax holiday for Americans (a promise that Hillary was a bit overeager to add to her campaign, an action that to me signaled that she was over). I still remember the commercial: “What will the average American get from [the gas tax holiday]? Twenty-two dollars…(pause)…or a half a tank of gas. (appreciative laughter)

    So what does he do? A cut on Social Security Tax…a more dangerous tax cut, as people will never want their roads to go to pot but will happily impoverish the future for an extra nickle in their paychecks.

    Sorry, but the guy’s a wimp at absolute best. And I personally think he’s working for the Republicans, so that some Tea Party nut will have no chance of NOT being elected and wrecking our system in 2012.

  • Godozo

    I voted for him mainly because of his response to McCain’s promise of a gas tax holiday for Americans (a promise that Hillary was a bit overeager to add to her campaign, an action that to me signaled that she was over). I still remember the commercial: “What will the average American get from [the gas tax holiday]? Twenty-two dollars…(pause)…or a half a tank of gas. (appreciative laughter)

    So what does he do? A cut on Social Security Tax…a more dangerous tax cut, as people will never want their roads to go to pot but will happily impoverish the future for an extra nickle in their paychecks.

    Sorry, but the guy’s a wimp at absolute best. And I personally think he’s working for the Republicans, so that some Tea Party nut will have no chance of NOT being elected and wrecking our system in 2012.

  • emperorreagan

    Since I think that all citizens should vote, I always go to the voting booth and cast my vote in a way I don’t find morally repugnant.  If I didn’t write people in, I probably wouldn’t vote at all because I can’t buy the lesser of two evils arguments.  

    Practically speaking, my vote is irrelevant.  I live in a congressional district gerrymandered to ensure that a Democrat will be elected.  I live in a reliably Democratic state.  Baltimore City hasn’t elected anyone but a Democrat for mayor since the 60s.        

    So I completely reject the pragmatist criticism.  Of course, I reject most “pragmatic” arguments out-of-hand now, because I’ve come to believe that people aren’t really examining what’s practical, but instead are just picking what’s easy.

    I have considered a write-in campaign for myself on various absurd platforms.  Latest idea – my platform would be to cast my vote on any bill based on the first text message I receive 15 minutes before voting starts.

    What I actually think needs to happen is for groups on the left to start organizing and agitating, much in the way the Christian right did. A large scale campaign for a write-in vote might be worthwhile, but not until you’ve got people hounding their congressmen, the President, the staffers, the interns, and anyone else they can find.

  • Anonymous

    The Left is beginning to get more organized.  At least at the state level.  I sense there is momentum building in Wisconsin for the state party to formally split from the DNC.  And it’ll be the unions that form the shell of the street level campaigning infrastructure.

    If memory serves correct, in previous posts you’ve recommended a number of campaign reforms in the past–preference sharing, public funding and spending caps, etc.  Those things have to happen, but it’ll probably be decades before we really see a comprehensive set of these measures go into effect.

    I say that what’s holding up the show is America’s cultural pervsersion.  Consumerism has rendered us myopic imbeciles and philistines.  Everything has to be justified in terms of the quarterly-reporting corporate business model–there’s no room for mature contemplation or a vision of relationships other than a narrowly parasitic buy-low/sell-high approach.

    All this bullshit Republicans pitch (and national Dems accept unquestioningly) is completely oblivious to the fact that government IS NOT a business–it’s purpose is to constructively mediate public relationships, not extract personal profit from the constitutants.  There is 0% chance of even modest progress without brining the dumbass “Magic of the Markets” mythology to heel.

    Yeah, there’s some evidence that it’s lost some of its power.  3 years of 10% unemployment will do that.  But frankly the demise of this pernicious lie can’t die quickly enough to satisfy me.

    A strategic national write-in campaign could help speed up the process.  Even if it doesn’t produce near-term policy results, it would reinforce a truly national consenus that politics has to be taken out of the hands of incompetent hacks and put into the hands of thoughtful visionaries.

    That’s why I tend to go with the classic, traditional with the my write-in choices.  It’s not a crass pragmatic move to leverage “brand name recognition”.  It’s a strategic movement toward the fcuking common sensicle.

  • Hudeosbo

    I agree whole-heartedly. How can we go about finding an alternative candidate for the Democratic primary? I am not sure Obama can get re-elected and I sure don’t want a republican. Any ideas on how to start a draft Al Gore to run, for example.

  • Hudeosbo

    What is a libtard? Is it similar to conserveasshole?

  • Hudeosbo

    We, as progressives, have to have a candidate for 2012. Barack Obama may NOT be re-elected. Would anyone out there be in favor of a ” Draft Al Gore” to run? If so, how do we get started?

  • Hudeosbo

    We, as progressives, have to have a candidate for 2012. Barack Obama may NOT be re-elected. Would anyone out there be in favor of a ” Draft Al Gore” to run? If so, how do we get started?

  • BUSTED

    Alter ego conversation?  i am screen capturing this you always post here and you are so phoney.   VOXMagi = ListerPete  i wish i had 2 thumbs on each hand so i could give you four thumbs down!!!

  • Hweila

    Thinking, without action, is every bit as useless as not thinking. If anything, it might even be worse as it wastes time that could be spent doing other things. And, no, posting angry comments on the internet doesn’t count as action.

  • Hweila

    Thinking, without action, is every bit as useless as not thinking. If anything, it might even be worse as it wastes time that could be spent doing other things. And, no, posting angry comments on the internet doesn’t count as action.