UK Family Faces Jail Or Eviction From Farm For Living ‘Off The Grid’

2971416The Mason family purchased an abandoned orchard and moved out of public housing. Their self-sustaining lifestyle has baffled local authorities however, who have ordered them to give up their property or face jail time. This Is Devon writes:

A family living an “off-grid” lifestyle say they face prison unless they move from their own land in Willand and return to a [regular] existence. Stig and Dinah Mason bought Muxbeare Orchard after a sudden windfall allowed them to quit their impoverished lives on a Hertfordshire council estate two years ago.

The Masons have transformed what they described as a derelict four-acre plot into a haven of self-sufficiency boasting a 400 sq m allotment, a polytunnel and greenhouses to grow fruit and vegetables, chickens for egg production and an orchard they have regenerated by planting around 14 new apple trees of various species. Dinah was bequeathed money from the sudden death of her aunt and £47,000 was spent on the land to create the smallholding where wood burners and solar panels provide their energy needs.

The couple, who have two boys, aged eight and nine, say because they moved onto the site in order to work the land, Mid Devon District Council is turfing them off as officers do not consider them to be conserving an agricultural area.

Dinah’s income currently provides the family with everything they need which they cannot grow themselves but is unlikely to stretch to cover kennelling costs for their dog, Moo.

They say they currently receive no state hand-outs but by giving up their “off grid” way of life, they fear they will end up in a council house, claiming housing and council tax benefits, as well as seeking grants to help pay for high utility bills.

Anne Wallington, whose family has had an interest in the village for 44 years, wrote to the council in support of the Masons by praising their hard work in reclaiming what was “rapidly becoming derelict land.” David Thompson, who also lives in the village, said “they are trying to live up to the Government’s pledge to take better care of the environment and this is the last orchard in the vicinity of Willand.”

John Clarke, planning enforcement officer, said: “To get planning permission to move onto agricultural land, you have to prove first there is a need for someone to live there, for example, to tend livestock and look after crops, and second, that the enterprise can provide living income for at least one worker.

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  • Andrew

    Wow, that’s pretty darn fascist!

    • ChristianHypocrite

      Welcome to our glorious future, where you need their chits for permission to survive.  Where do you get the chits?  From them, of course!  Now stop thinking so hard and submit to the system.

      • Andrew

        Future?  Replace chits with dollars and you’re talking about the present.

        • Butter Knife

          And the past. No need to pretend this is something new when it most assuredly is not.

          • Anarchy Pony

            Let me tall you something, this is a whole new world of domination, control and dependence on authority and institutions, that history’s madmen and autocrats could only dream of. Far more subtle, but far more effective. The overall motive may be the same, but the means are vastly more powerful.

          • Sansome

            Yep. Programme them to believe it is for “good” and “right” and “your protection” ..and the automata will gladly follow their Authority…over the cliff edge.

      • Anarchy Pony

        I have been saying this shit for years. I often wonder if the destruction of the environment is a purposeful part of it. 

        • atlanticus

          Of course it is! The less environment there is, the easier it is to keep it away from the common-folk.

        • keggsie

          Yes it is. I run an eco business and capitalism has only one purpose to screw as much money out of people irrespective o the cost to life, limb or the environment. The 18th century capitalists and even 19th century ones cared more than this century’s capitalists.

    • DeepCough

      Self-sufficiency has always been a dream rarely achieved by even the few with the means to attain it.

  • Andrew

    Wow, that’s pretty darn fascist!

  • ChristianHypocrite

    Welcome to our glorious future, where you need their chits for permission to survive.  Where do you get the chits?  From them, of course!  Now stop thinking so hard and submit to the system.

  • DeepCough

    Self-sufficiency has always been a dream rarely achieved by even the few with the means to attain it.

  • Andrew

    Future?  Replace chits with dollars and you’re talking about the present.

  • Butter Knife

    And the past. No need to pretend this is something new when it most assuredly is not.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Sadly, I’m increasingly likely to judge that threats of organized violence really only deserve one response…

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Sadly, I’m increasingly likely to judge that threats of organized violence really only deserve one response…

  • Wanooski

    I have been saying this shit for years. I often wonder if the destruction of the environment is a purposeful part of it. 

  • Adaugeo

    Inspires me to start my garden and solar/wind farming to do the same.

    • Anarchy Pony

      What? Get kicked off of your land?

  • Adaugeo

    Inspires me to start my garden and solar/wind farming to do the same.

  • Wanooski

    What? Get kicked off of your land?

  • chinagreenelvis

    I’m guessing every one of you who’s commented on this read the Disinfo headline and neglected to read the actual article. These people aren’t being oppressed because they became self-sustaining; they’re getting tangled up in legal matters because laws are cumbersome and rarely interpreted in ways that make sense. They’re living on tracts of land that were designated by legislature for non-living use. In their case, I hope they win the fight and the laws get adjusted to accommodate their accomplishments, but it’s basically the same thing as moving into your office at work; most if not all local governments would consider this an infraction of zoning laws.

  • chinagreenelvis

    I’m guessing every one of you who’s commented on this read the Disinfo headline and neglected to read the actual article. These people aren’t being oppressed because they became self-sustaining; they’re getting tangled up in legal matters because laws are cumbersome and rarely interpreted in ways that make sense. They’re living on tracts of land that were designated by legislature for non-living use. In their case, I hope they win the fight and the laws get adjusted to accommodate their accomplishments, but it’s basically the same thing as moving into your office at work; most if not all local governments would consider this an infraction of zoning laws.

    • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

      Please allow me to disabuse  you of the notion that no one read and generally comprehended the article.

      You’re right when you describe this as a “zoning issue”, but the outrage is with the temerity of the local council to assume total autocratic control of property that someone else lawfully owns and is employing as intended.

      Americans are probably more startled by this kind of behavior because generally our zoning laws are reasonable.

      Occasionally they’re not though and one of us will armor up a D-6 and tear down a goodly portion of the community of the offending govt.

      And that’s if we’re feeling charitable. There’s all kinds of dangerous things laying around farms…

      • Rjandersson

        I’d rather fire up  the B52 just to make sure the job got done!

      • walterc

        “Americans are probably more startled by this kind of behavior because generally our zoning laws are reasonable.”

        Like the towns (one in Florida and one in Michigan I think) that are fining people for growing vegetables in their front yards. Apparently veggie gardens are only allowed inth4 back yard.

        This is coming to America faster than I care to think.

    • Saxon Revolt

      But its not about zoning laws its about a document called Agenda 21. That’s the hot item with the town council. Look on their website. Dont be placated. This is classic tyranny.

  • Wanooski

    Let me tall you something, this is a whole new world of domination, control and dependence on authority and institutions, that history’s madmen and autocrats could only dream of. Far more subtle, but far more effective. The overall motive may be the same, but the means are vastly more powerful.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Oliver/100001142880435 Andy Oliver

    This doesn’t seem to me to be, as many of you seem to assume, the family are being punished for not toeing a capitalist line by a draconian council, rather this is the kind of “jobs-worthy”, short sighted and, frankly, ridiculous attitude that many councils in England tend to take. The situation mirrors that of Dale Farm in Essex (where mass evictions of travellers are about to happen, because they had the “temerity” to build permanent structures on their own land without planning permission, Google Dale Farm) is a perfect example of bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy.

  • Andy Oliver

    This doesn’t seem to me to be, as many of you seem to assume, the family are being punished for not toeing a capitalist line by a draconian council, rather this is the kind of “jobs-worthy”, short sighted and, frankly, ridiculous attitude that many councils in England tend to take. The situation mirrors that of Dale Farm in Essex (where mass evictions of travellers are about to happen, because they had the “temerity” to build permanent structures on their own land without planning permission, Google Dale Farm) is a perfect example of bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy.

    • chinagreenelvis

      Agreed.

    • Mud Lark

      I agree with you in regards to it being a inflexible, jobsworth decision. There’s a dire need for some flexibility in the decision making process to take into account responsible and valuable (preserving native orchards) land utilisation and low energy consumption. That said, I don’t quite equate a mass eviction of travellers, or any group or people buying up plots of land and building on it, as being in the same deserving category. The housing stock in the UK would be easily sufficient if post-war governments showed the same degree of responsibility and love for the country and land as this family have.

  • Daggers

    This is political madness at it’s extreme, the goverment say’s one thing and the councils do another, when will these people get there acts together and work of the same page. If this family wants to live of the subsistance of the land then what is wrong with that, or is just the fact that the council are miffed that they are not getting the taxation cut from the family that everybody else as to pay for services.

  • Daggers

    This is political madness at it’s extreme, the goverment say’s one thing and the councils do another, when will these people get there acts together and work of the same page. If this family wants to live of the subsistance of the land then what is wrong with that, or is just the fact that the council are miffed that they are not getting the taxation cut from the family that everybody else as to pay for services.

  • Daggers

    This is political madness at it’s extreme, the goverment say’s one thing and the councils do another, when will these people get there acts together and work of the same page. If this family wants to live of the subsistance of the land then what is wrong with that, or is just the fact that the council are miffed that they are not getting the taxation cut from the family that everybody else as to pay for services.

  • Daggers

    This is political madness at it’s extreme, the goverment say’s one thing and the councils do another, when will these people get there acts together and work of the same page. If this family wants to live of the subsistance of the land then what is wrong with that, or is just the fact that the council are miffed that they are not getting the taxation cut from the family that everybody else as to pay for services.

  • Daggers

    This is political madness at it’s extreme, the goverment say’s one thing and the councils do another, when will these people get there acts together and work of the same page. If this family wants to live of the subsistance of the land then what is wrong with that, or is just the fact that the council are miffed that they are not getting the taxation cut from the family that everybody else as to pay for services.

  • Daggers

    This is political madness at it’s extreme, the goverment say’s one thing and the councils do another, when will these people get there acts together and work of the same page. If this family wants to live of the subsistance of the land then what is wrong with that, or is just the fact that the council are miffed that they are not getting the taxation cut from the family that everybody else as to pay for services.

  • Daggers

    This is political madness at it’s extreme, the goverment say’s one thing and the councils do another, when will these people get there acts together and work of the same page. If this family wants to live of the subsistance of the land then what is wrong with that, or is just the fact that the council are miffed that they are not getting the taxation cut from the family that everybody else as to pay for services.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000594710381 Jack Jones

    Simply put, they don’t like it when you can do things for your self. They want you to “pay” somebody to do it for you so that “money” is made and so it “fuels” the consumer based economy of the world.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000594710381 Jack Jones

    Simply put, they don’t like it when you can do things for your self. They want you to “pay” somebody to do it for you so that “money” is made and so it “fuels” the consumer based economy of the world.

    • P00dy

      There’s an “ISM” for that…..Socialism.

      • Doc Jones

        I’d rather have the “ISM” than unfair, screw people over so-called capitalism, which is now FACISM….so there’s your “ISM” bubba…..

      • lee elliott

        Not Socialism. Its Capitalism. Without dependent consumers the pigs have no trough.

      • Anna Savage

        POOdy, no… that is not socialism. Socialism is when people look out for each other. Don’t fall for more right wing cliched rhetoric.

      • keggsie

        You really don’t know what you are talking about do you?

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    Please allow me to disabuse  you of the notion that no one read and generally comprehended the article.

    You’re right when you describe this as a “zoning issue”, but the outrage is with the temerity of the local council to assume total autocratic control of property that someone else lawfully owns and is employing as intended.

    Americans are probably more startled by this kind of behavior because generally our zoning laws are reasonable.

    Occasionally they’re not though and one of us will armor up a D-6 and tear down a goodly portion of the community of the offending govt.

    And that’s if we’re feeling charitable. There’s all kinds of dangerous things laying around farms…

  • chinagreenelvis

    Agreed.

  • Anonymous

    How can this be?  Totally upsetting.

  • dudoight

    How can this be?  Totally upsetting.

  • Silikesbikes.

    Can no one be free of the benefit lifestyle ? do we have to make hard work an act of law braking, do we in times of austerity have the money to waste on law suits against decent people.  Who’s interests are our councils serving, our own of the corporations who provide our food, power etc etc. It’s a sick society that can try and a crime out of good, clean living.

  • Silikesbikes.

    Can no one be free of the benefit lifestyle ? do we have to make hard work an act of law braking, do we in times of austerity have the money to waste on law suits against decent people.  Who’s interests are our councils serving, our own of the corporations who provide our food, power etc etc. It’s a sick society that can try and a crime out of good, clean living.

  • Okarin

    soon the only people that’ll be free from this are the ones hiding from it now, the criminals

  • Okarin

    soon the only people that’ll be free from this are the ones hiding from it now, the criminals

  • neurolux

    You’re not allowed to live on your own farm??? They’re allowed to have a farm, but they have to commute to use it? I don’t even

  • Anonymous

    You’re not allowed to live on your own farm??? They’re allowed to have a farm, but they have to commute to use it? I don’t even

  • Anonymous

    You’re not allowed to live on your own farm??? They’re allowed to have a farm, but they have to commute to use it? I don’t even

  • soddi

    But that’s England for you. They have a Queen and nobles. They do not have a tradition of freedom and self-determination. They are a nation of serfs.

    • stig781

      That’s England, with a tradition of freedom and due process that you in the US have copied completely. You’re a nation of colonial serfs. You’re now not allowed to grow your own food.

      It is the founding nation of western notions of freedom and self-determination you idiot. As well as the originator of English, or did you think that was the United States as well you cretin?

  • Anonymous

    But that’s England for you. They have a Queen and nobles. They do not have a tradition of freedom and self-determination. They are a nation of serfs.

  • Coyoty

    “To get planning permission to move onto agricultural land, you have to
    prove first there is a need for someone to live there, for example, to
    tend livestock and look after crops, and second, that the enterprise can
    provide living income for at least one worker.”  In other words, be self-suffic–  D’oh!

    • RoadCrew

      My first thoughts, too.   All media reports of this sort tend to be ‘slanted’ one way or the other depending on whether you’re for or against “authority”.  But these people seem to be genuinely trying to live “The Good Life” (as per the TV series) and good luck to them!

    • RoadCrew

      My first thoughts, too.   All media reports of this sort tend to be ‘slanted’ one way or the other depending on whether you’re for or against “authority”.  But these people seem to be genuinely trying to live “The Good Life” (as per the TV series) and good luck to them!

  • Anonymous

    “To get planning permission to move onto agricultural land, you have to
    prove first there is a need for someone to live there, for example, to
    tend livestock and look after crops, and second, that the enterprise can
    provide living income for at least one worker.”  In other words, be self-suffic–  D’oh!

  • Anonymous

    Off the grid! self sufficient! Way to go!

  • Johnq_public

    Off the grid! self sufficient! Way to go!

  • Called2 Care

    This family should be on the Alex Jones show~

  • Called2 Care

    This family should be on the Alex Jones show~

    • Colin

      I’m sure they don’t need to be exploited by this conspiracy conman,

  • Guest

    This is clearly out of context Its a zoning dispute, a rather unfair one but it was they law before they moved there. To say its an anti-environmentalist/survivalist/watever-ist is yellow journalism. So yea… eat me..

  • RoadCrew

    My first thoughts, too.   All media reports of this sort tend to be ‘slanted’ one way or the other depending on whether you’re for or against “authority”.  But these people seem to be genuinely trying to live “The Good Life” (as per the TV series) and good luck to them!

  • Ihateyouall

    Fuck this world!

  • Ihateyouall

    Fuck this world!

  • Ihateyouall

    Fuck this world!

  • Lloydy77

    What a bloody joke! They only want them to “pay” to live in society because they’re pissed off they can’t do it too. How very selfish and un-humanitarian. :(

  • Lloydy77

    What a bloody joke! They only want them to “pay” to live in society because they’re pissed off they can’t do it too. How very selfish and un-humanitarian. :(

  • Lloydy77

    What a bloody joke! They only want them to “pay” to live in society because they’re pissed off they can’t do it too. How very selfish and un-humanitarian. :(

  • Lloydy77

    What a bloody joke! They only want them to “pay” to live in society because they’re pissed off they can’t do it too. How very selfish and un-humanitarian. :(

  • dreamstarworld

    The question must also be asked to the COUNCIL* – would Prince Charles be treated in the same manner over the same issue (though the land maybe 100’s of hectares) as was this lovely couple?

    I think we all know the answer!!!

    One commentator mentioned archaic laws which are out-dated and happen to be badly in need of revision, however, let us not be IGNORANT* of the HISTORY* of these islands and the entrenched “classism” which still exist where there is one set of rules for one group and another set of rules for the rest of us…

    Living off the GRID* will be a matter of DEBATE* in the coming years as more and more of us decide to leave the decaying, decadent cities to move to more solitary enclaves where based on GREEN TECHNOLOGY* we can still live a comfortable, meaningful life (BLESSED BY NATURE) with our families while protecting our environment and subsisting off the land as did our forefathers…

    As was reiterated earlier, ISSUES* of domination and political control cannot be overlooked in these matters as the world bobs & weaves towards the stated GOALS* of a 1-WORLD-GOVERNMENT…

    Being trapped in the CITY* seems like the cinematographic plot from a bad Hollywood movie… More power to those who realize the joys and benefits of rural, NATURAL* living!!!

  • Anonymous

    The question must also be asked to the COUNCIL* – would Prince Charles be treated in the same manner over the same issue (though the land maybe 100’s of hectares) as was this lovely couple?

    I think we all know the answer!!!

    One commentator mentioned archaic laws which are out-dated and happen to be badly in need of revision, however, let us not be IGNORANT* of the HISTORY* of these island and the entrenched “classism” which still exist where there is one set of rules for one group and another set of rules for the rest of us…

    Living off the GRID* will be a matter of DEBATE* in the coming years as more and more of us decide to leave the decaying, decadent cities to move to more solitary enclaves where based on GREEN TECHNOLOGY* we can still live a comfortable life with our families while protecting our environment and subsisting off the land as did our forefathers…

    As was reiterated earlier, ISSUES* of domination and political control cannot be overlooked in these matters as the world bobs & weaves towards the stated GOALS* of a 1-WORLD-GOVERNMENT…

  • Beeehaven

    http://www.devon.gov.uk/index/environmentplanning/sustainable_development/historicalbackground.htm  surely allowing this family to continue with their lifestyle would enable devon councils to meet local agenda 21 targets?  

  • Beeehaven

    http://www.devon.gov.uk/index/environmentplanning/sustainable_development/historicalbackground.htm  surely allowing this family to continue with their lifestyle would enable devon councils to meet local agenda 21 targets?  

  • GOVERNMENT HATER

    TYPICAL OF THE CORRUPT , GREEDY , GRABBING COUNCIL .THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING WITHOUT HAVING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS CORRUPT SOCIETY THROUH THE EXTORTION OF TAXATION . GOOD FOR THEM . HOPE MANY MORE WILL DO THIS , ME INCLUDED , AND  ESCAPE THIS CORRUPT SOCIETY .ONWARD TO FREEDOM …

    • Dulce Peña

      Revolution? Shall we? Everyone in the world is fed up with those leeches!

  • GOVERNMENT HATER

    TYPICAL OF THE CORRUPT , GREEDY , GRABBING COUNCIL .THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING WITHOUT HAVING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS CORRUPT SOCIETY THROUH THE EXTORTION OF TAXATION . GOOD FOR THEM . HOPE MANY MORE WILL DO THIS , ME INCLUDED , AND  ESCAPE THIS CORRUPT SOCIETY .ONWARD TO FREEDOM …

  • GOVERNMENT HATER

    TYPICAL OF THE CORRUPT , GREEDY , GRABBING COUNCIL .THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING WITHOUT HAVING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS CORRUPT SOCIETY THROUH THE EXTORTION OF TAXATION . GOOD FOR THEM . HOPE MANY MORE WILL DO THIS , ME INCLUDED , AND  ESCAPE THIS CORRUPT SOCIETY .ONWARD TO FREEDOM …

  • Fuck the Corrupt System .

    The Corrupt Elite who run the Corrupt System we are forced to contribute to via taxation will be very fearful of this . Hence the typical reaction of a corrupt local council .The Corrupt Bastards who rule by the implementation of corrupt rules called Law , deserve termination of their corrupt lives . The world is nothing but a massive Ponzi Scheme .Madoff will be proud .

  • Fuck the Corrupt System .

    The Corrupt Elite who run the Corrupt System we are forced to contribute to via taxation will be very fearful of this . Hence the typical reaction of a corrupt local council .The Corrupt Bastards who rule by the implementation of corrupt rules called Law , deserve termination of their corrupt lives . The world is nothing but a massive Ponzi Scheme .Madoff will be proud .

  • Fuck the Corrupt System .

    The Corrupt Elite who run the Corrupt System we are forced to contribute to via taxation will be very fearful of this . Hence the typical reaction of a corrupt local council .The Corrupt Bastards who rule by the implementation of corrupt rules called Law , deserve termination of their corrupt lives . The world is nothing but a massive Ponzi Scheme .Madoff will be proud .

  • Rjandersson

    I live in the united Sates and am not fully famillar with all of the UK’s laws. But, I do have this to say. if the kids are happy, fed and housed, which they seem to be, where does ANY government get off telling people how they have to live?

  • Rjandersson

    I live in the united Sates and am not fully famillar with all of the UK’s laws. But, I do have this to say. if the kids are happy, fed and housed, which they seem to be, where does ANY government get off telling people how they have to live?

    • stig781

      Easy, you copied the UK’s laws.

  • Rjandersson

    I’d rather fire up  the B52 just to make sure the job got done!

  • rtb61

    Keep in mind millionaire hobby famers who were buying up productive farmland subdividing and turning it into non-productive tax deduction and tax avoidance schemes. This forced rural councils to establish laws in order to protect productive land otherwise rural towns faced economic stresses from loss of agriculture support industries, let alone the cost of increasing food imports.
    Of course writing laws to fit the fine line between allowing proper use of the land and the rich and greedy playing destructive tax games, is difficult.
    Suck it up though, some countries have strict planning laws and the community needs come first. The second of course you stop enforcing the letter of the law, the rich and greedy will start twisting everything right out of control.

  • Anonymous

    Keep in mind millionaire hobby famers who were buying up productive farmland subdividing and turning it into non-productive tax deduction and tax avoidance schemes. This forced rural councils to establish laws in order to protect productive land otherwise rural towns faced economic stresses from loss of agriculture support industries, let alone the cost of increasing food imports.
    Of course writing laws to fit the fine line between allowing proper use of the land and the rich and greedy playing destructive tax games, is difficult.
    Suck it up though, some countries have strict planning laws and the community needs come first. The second of course you stop enforcing the letter of the law, the rich and greedy will start twisting everything right out of control.

  • Mud Lark

    I agree with you in regards to it being a inflexible, jobsworth decision. There’s a dire need for some flexibility in the decision making process to take into account responsible and valuable (preserving native orchards) land utilisation and low energy consumption. That said, I don’t quite equate a mass eviction of travellers, or any group or people buying up plots of land and building on it, as being in the same deserving category. The housing stock in the UK would be easily sufficient if post-war governments showed the same degree of responsibility and love for the country and land as this family have.

  • http://profiles.google.com/gavinstokes Gavin Stokes

    There is an argument in favor of not allowing them to stay, if they can do it why cant everyone else, see what happens then, sure as an individual case it seems unfair, but what if everyone decided to take there savings and purchase agricultural land and then move in….could get messy.

  • http://profiles.google.com/gavinstokes Gavin Stokes

    There is an argument in favor of not allowing them to stay, if they can do it why cant everyone else, see what happens then, sure as an individual case it seems unfair, but what if everyone decided to take there savings and purchase agricultural land and then move in….could get messy.

    • Old Joe

      Then people would work more for themselves, and less for others, and would generally be happier. Oh the horror!

      • JohnnyNoone

        Work for themselves and be happier? Good god! Next you’ll be saying that as sovereign free human beings we all have that right! What are you? Some kind of Commie?

  • http://profiles.google.com/gavinstokes Gavin Stokes

    I’m amazed at how people see this as black and white issue, the level of ignorance surrounding the problems with this issue is astounding. One person even goe sas far as to say 

    “If the kids are happy, fed and housed, which they seem to be, where does ANY government get off telling people how they have to live”

    Governments have to tell people how to live otherwise there would be utter chaos with people building wherever they choose and doing whatever they want. A lot of people on here seem to assume that every in the world is a responsible, community minded individual who takes everyone elses concerns into account before acting.

    We live in a world with to many people there has to be controls

  • http://profiles.google.com/gavinstokes Gavin Stokes

    I’m amazed at how people see this as black and white issue, the level of ignorance surrounding the problems with this issue is astounding. One person even goe sas far as to say 

    “If the kids are happy, fed and housed, which they seem to be, where does ANY government get off telling people how they have to live”

    Governments have to tell people how to live otherwise there would be utter chaos with people building wherever they choose and doing whatever they want. A lot of people on here seem to assume that every in the world is a responsible, community minded individual who takes everyone elses concerns into account before acting.

    We live in a world with to many people there has to be controls

    • atlanticus

      It’s not ignorance. It is a basic philosophical disagreement which you have clearly defined. We don’t AGREE with you.

    • jackie jackson

      you truly do have your head up your arse. this family should be applauded. they are doing no harm at all

    • JohnnyNoone

      Utter nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    John Clarke, planning enforcement officer, said: “To get planning permission to move onto agricultural land, you have to prove first there is a need for someone to live there, for example, to tend livestock and look after crops, and second, that the enterprise can provide living income for at least one worker.I thought that they had amply proved this by regenerating and looking after the orchard and the fact that they are making enough to provide for the family. 

  • orpheusisthe1

    John Clarke, planning enforcement officer, said: “To get planning permission to move onto agricultural land, you have to prove first there is a need for someone to live there, for example, to tend livestock and look after crops, and second, that the enterprise can provide living income for at least one worker.I thought that they had amply proved this by regenerating and looking after the orchard and the fact that they are making enough to provide for the family. 

    • Sansome

      Very True.

  • Gdsgsdgag

    The real reason that the council don’t want them to live that way is that it will give other people the same idea.

  • Gdsgsdgag

    The real reason that the council don’t want them to live that way is that it will give other people the same idea.

  • Roig Ventiuno Crea

    so basically it’s a technicality. If it’s the same process as when I was there for local planning, local people need to speak up and provide grounds from which you can assert that it is useful and serves a need to have them there, if only to inspire others. Most councils publish lists of their objectives and the key is to express your wishes so that they make sense to them as well as to you and the environment.

  • AlexK

    Sp are we going to bitch about this or complain to the relevant council?

  • Laura Nani Puailihau-Newton

    This family should be praised for their accomplishments. I think they are a example of making it through life without in “State/Goverment” help. I applaud them!!!

  • DavidNW

    This family is being treated disgracefully. They own the land, they’re self-sufficient and working hard to support themselves without recourse to the state-supported life they left behind. For them not to be allowed to continue living *their* lives and working *their* own land is a transgression of their rights. Action against them should be halted immediately!

  • Yael Webb Parnes

    These people are an example to us all. Instead of getting the praise and recognition they deserve, they get smacked around with a load bureaucratic bs. Very annoying!!!

  • Fred de Klerk

    It
    seems to me that the UK (local) government is violating their Human Rights. By
    their actions they are violating article 1,2,3 (fundamental freedom), which
    leads to violation of article 4, article 12, 17 en 28. My advice is to seek
    contact with an active lawyer specialized in Human Rights. In case of lack of
    money the government has the duty to provide legal aid. In case the government
    is unwilling to provide legal aid, or if the outcome in court is dissatisfying,
    you can file a complaint at the European Parliament. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/

    Bob Marley (and many others in similar ways) made a song about it, now is the time you start doing it. STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS!.

    The rights mentioned in the UDHR are guaranteed by several treaties.

    Download
    the UDHR in a language of your preference here: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Pages/SearchByLang.aspx

    Download
    your CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION here:
    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2010:083:0389:0403:EN:PDF

  • Ryan (Vinny)

    Such a lovely family, I even had the pleasure to meet them and i think its fantastic what they have achieved , bloody government cant see that this is their choice there investment and should leave them alone,

  • Ivor Skidmore

    I was born and bred in Devon and thought everyone had sense and logic. These people are tending crops, livestock and earning a living with no problems for anyone. Which part of this does the planning officer not understand? Is it fair to assume he is not a native? These people are productive, can he say that of his job? Does he deserve the job and the perk of living in Devon?

  • HairyScot

    I would vote for John Clarke to be arrested and sent to jail for 20 years.

  • Luzita Ball

    Just because the local and national government cannot make money out of the family or land, through some tax or other, then they are told to get off, when they fully deserve to be there more than most people. In Islamic law, those who would use the land best are those best entitled to it, especially if they bought it themselves! They have shown great initiative, and enterprise, in reducing their dependency upon the state benefits and housing. The Government should be grateful that they are saving them money! It is no-one else’s business, unless they disturb or harm someone. If they are not doing so, they probably should contribute to the NHS if they use it, the police and army, if they protect them and make their lives fmore secure, or the education system if they use that, or council tax if they have their rubbish collected by the council, or benefit from street lighting. That would make more sense.They are not criminals and should not be treated as such! Don’t the government want people to try to get themselves out of poverty?!

  • Middle Child

    How DARE they be self sufficient…this would terrify the powers that want and need control

  • FreedomRebels

    It’s a Violation of “Human Rights” take it to the EU “Human Rights” Courts, Everybody has the “Right of Self Determination” International Law is built on it. … Domestic Law is full of Bulls Dung and is greedy for more of it.

  • Michael McTague

    at the end of the day, Mao’s quote, “political power comes from the barrel of a gun” increasingly comes to mind.

  • Marschall Clark

    In order to control the population, everyone must be dependent on the state. They must not be self sufficient because the government will not be able to take away your money or job if you don’t kiss their arse. plain and simple. England has been under Zionist control for 200 years and they want you either a slave or dead.

    • cigpapers

      Actually since 1714 see “cigpapers wordpress”.

  • Dave_Mowers

    …and governments are baffled as to why the economy is dying?

  • pmacck

    would it be possible for the family to have the property rezoned as residential? is that out of the question?

  • yanki161

    Sounds like Agenda 21 is in full bloom there.

  • Rutabega22

    Here in Lake County, FL (near Orlando, Florida) our Agriculture land allows a single family home on it. Some investors get away with raising some cattle on their land to keep the Agriculture status which has lower property taxes. So it appear that the UK does NOT allow LIVING on agricultural land? Where do farmers live?

  • Rogoraeck

    Have a laugh!

    When Britain first, at Heaven’s command Arose from out the azure main;This was the charter of the land,And guardian angels sang this strain:

    “Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:”Britons never will be slaves.”

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    The nations, not so blest as thee,Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall;While thou shalt flourish great and free,The dread and envy of them all.

    “Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:”Britons never will be slaves.”

  • EMU135

    What the hell, does King George still live on in the UK?

    • Earthlinggb

      Yes he just had a sex change and called himself Liz!

  • EMU135

    It’s time to institute the King Louie and Marie Antoinette solution on these elitist megalomaniacs!

  • Andyj

    John Clarke, planning enforcement officer, said: “To get planning permission to move onto agricultural land, you have to prove first there is a need for someone to live there, for example, to tend livestock and look after crops, and second, that the enterprise can provide living income for at least one worker..”.

    .
    They do so there you have it. The council Fascists once again don’t have a leg to stand on. Who do civil servants think they are really serving?

  • Tatiana Covington

    When are people going to start fighting!

  • Saxon Revolt

    You know one could do what the American colonials did. Perhaps it’s time for another civil war to throw off the yoke of oppression? Maybe it’s time for the royals to all go too! Has the queen been standing up for “Freedom” lately…or has she been silently and safely from her halls watching the Moslems invade England, while laws are past that make Englishmen once again serfs or their masters chattel?

  • Dave

    Local government councils would have to be the most overtly invasive level of government in the world, and they make no effort to hide it. Self sufficiency is a dirty word to those beholden to the mighty dollar and capitalist consumer mentality. Create a welfare state and say “trust us” is the usual template for subverting every single civil and human right prior to controlling everything and everyone!

  • P00dy

    Socialism. It’s coming to America.

  • texasken

    The official says they need “approval” to move onto their own land and farm, etc.
    Watch out America, this sounds like our govt telling us that the places where water sometimes accumulates on farms is now a “wet lands”. This is where we are going if we do not push back.

  • Jeremy David Acton

    The family must just get some livestock.

  • JohnnyNoone

    This is UN Agenda 21, pure and simple. Startpage it.

  • paulflute

    so I woudl say the easiest way out is to simply NOT ask for planning permission..
    Why do you need to ask permission from a stranger to do anything on your own land that does not harm others.. No LAW is being broken here.. no crime committed..
    We have been duped into thinking that we are automatically obligued to obey government and council ‘regulations’ when we simplky are not..

  • cigpapers

    Self sufficiency is a dirty word to those beholden to the capitalist consumer mentality.

    The welfare state is just a road to serfdom.
    Good luck to this great family!

  • cshaws

    They should be added to the National Curriculum not removed from their land.

  • Johnny Lockwood

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-22095919 The Masons have prevailed. Dinah and Stig Mason were refused permission to build a house on the four-acre site in Willand, classified as open countryside.

    Changes to planning laws mean the Masons can now convert an old barn on the site.

    Mrs Mason said: “We’re ecstatic. We can finally live the life that we choose.”

  • ben

    sell the land and move to another plot this time tell no one

  • Peter Brooks

    Google , QUEEN BEE SYNDROME to explain associated personalities words and actions. Mother England what have you become ?. Grandpa Brooks was second in command under Sir John Forrest in Greater London Town Planning who worked on initial plans of Port Sunlight Garden Industrial Estate where 10,000 workers had separate housing with gardens to grow food when times were bad, Original housing design was for arches and domes but World War One erupted and Grandpa as Sherwood Forester fought at Somme and plans for Lever and Kitchen took on traditional role after that according to my father Richard Brooks a Dreadnought Boy who migrated at seventeen from England and witnessed event.Class warfare appears alive and well in U,K,

  • Dion Fitzgerald

    i thought when you buy something its yours??? since they own the land they can do with it as they please and live how they please, its got naff all to do with the council its NOT their land to make decissions. next time the council want to do something with the land they can come to me and ask for MY permission first ok? the way its going it wont be long until all the people take the land back anyway, time is getting very close ;)

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