• Mysophobe

    “The symmetry is the smoking gun.”

    If it hasn’t already been done, I’d like to be the first to label themselves as a “Column 79er”

  • Mysophobe

    “The symmetry is the smoking gun.”

    If it hasn’t already been done, I’d like to be the first to label themselves as a “Column 79er”

  • StanChaz

    Reminder: Ironically (and very very very stupidly!!) a large chunk of  Building Seven was Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s official city-wide high-tech emergency bunker/center. This bunker included lots of stored fuel oil, to be used to power generators in the event of a blackout, in order  keep the center functioning thru all kinds of city emergencies. This surely created areas of highly concentrated heat as the stored fuel oil burned inside the building. Besides the large stores of fuel oil, there might have been all sorts of explosives and weapons (and yes- perhaps even thermite) stored here, in Giuliani’s “bunker” ……all of which  burned or exploded or was somehow triggered … and which then might have left puzzling “signatures”  in the debris. “Signatures” that might look like someone had placed or detonated explosives in the building. Who knows what fascistic Giuliani had stored in his emergency WTC7 bunker complex? I sadly remember the fake Gulf of Tonkin incident that helped the government lock us into the senseless Vietnam slaughter. But of course, no one knew it was fake at the time. So I am not closing the door on anything like that happening again. But neither should the conspiracy theorists, who sometimes close the doors, and don’t want to look at potential evidence that doesn’t fit THEIR theories. Some of this reminds me of  the myriad religious beliefs that people often want you to embrace. If you get into their trap, you can spend / waste your time, and sometimes your life,  debunking and denying things that don’t really exist , but which can never be disproved.

    • Rodneypopper

      The official NIST line as stated in the video is “Bldg. 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings…NOT because of explosives or fuel oiled fires” Yet Stan Chaz has some secret knowledge of thermite, fuel oil, explosives and weapons in the bunker? Too many times, Stan Chaz you use the words “might” “surely” and “perhaps”… Lets look at science instead of speculation!

      • Ashley

        Yea he sounds like FOX News, “Some people have said that…”

    • EveryMan

      Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy.  You honestly think they just happened to store thermite there and that would explain it?  Also who are “The Conspiracy Theorists”  Would that be anyone who doesn’t believe in the government’s version of events?   Convenient.  I would say check out the work of the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, make yourself aware of the evidence and then reconsider your rationalizations.  Not saying this to be a dick, but it’s kind of like the stages of coping with death.  Denial is a barrier we must all overcome at some point.  Wishing you well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stan-Chaz/100002015710670 Stan Chaz

    Reminder: Ironically (and very very very stupidly!!) a large chunk of  Building Seven was Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s official city-wide high-tech emergency bunker/center. This bunker included lots of stored fuel oil, to be used to power generators in the event of a blackout, in order  keep the center functioning thru all kinds of city emergencies. This surely created areas of highly concentrated heat as the stored fuel oil burned inside the building. Besides the large stores of fuel oil, there might have been all sorts of explosives and weapons (and yes- perhaps even thermite) stored here, in Giuliani’s “bunker” ……all of which  burned or exploded or was somehow triggered … and which then might have left puzzling “signatures”  in the debris. “Signatures” that might look like someone had placed or detonated explosives in the building. Who knows what fascistic Giuliani had stored in his emergency WTC7 bunker complex? I sadly remember the fake Gulf of Tonkin incident that helped the government lock us into the senseless Vietnam slaughter. But of course, no one knew it was fake at the time. So I am not closing the door on anything like that happening again. But neither should the conspiracy theorists, who sometimes close the doors, and don’t want to look at potential evidence that doesn’t fit THEIR theories. Some of this reminds me of  the myriad religious beliefs that people often want you to embrace. If you get into their trap, you can spend / waste your time, and sometimes your life,  debunking and denying things that don’t really exist , but which can never be disproved.

  • BuzzCoastin

     The thing is that, despite all the evidence that something is rotten in Der Homeland and 911 is just one of the many rotten things; still nothing can or will be done about it.

    911, the CIA involvement in drug smuggling and torture, the abuses of the Military-Industrial-Bankster Complex will not be tried or punished, no matter how many exposes are brought forward. That’s the Amerikan way.

    • WeAreChangeAtlanta

      Well, Sorry I’m sure if you had asked the French Elite pre beheading if they ever thought it would catch up with them they would have said no.  No one knows what can or cannot happen.  My question is would you be willing to do something about corruption or is it just easier to say “nothing can or will be done about it” and stay asleep and apathetic?  

      • BuzzCoastin

        Well, I’ve done quite a few things in my time, starting with my refusal to be drafted into Der Homeland’s Army during the Vietnamese Civil War.  Back then there wasn’t the plethora of information about government corruption, but today it is abundantly clear that the government is corrupt; led by a greedy, blood thirsty elite. Are Wee the People up in arms and out on the street? No, but Wee are shopping and celebrating the deaths of fictional characters.

        Has Bush or Cheney been charge with war crimes?
           No, they got book deals.
        Have the laws been changed to limit campaign spending?
           No, they have been amended to facilitate more bribes and payoffs.
        Have those hurt by the machinations of the Banksters been compensated?
           No, the money had to be used for Bankster bonuses.
        Has anyone been held accountable or the invasion of two nations based on lies and fabrications?
          No, they are collecting fat Fed pensions.

        Obummer was the end of Hope and Change; now it’s shite sandwiches with polluted water till the Empire of the Good sinks into oblivion.

        • WeAreChangeAtlanta

          I think you are being overly pessimistic.  Though many still sleep, more than ever people are awake.  They must sense that armed resistance and storming the capital are only ways to tempt the state to invoke martial law and it’s not a pleasant nor intelligent scenario for free humanity in my opinion.  Still gears are turning and minds awakening.  New leadership is needed and does exist, perhaps it’s a all a matter or perspective.

          Have we ever before seen a mass movement for truth of a grand conspiracy such as the 9/11 Truth movement?  Were people ever made aware of an insidious organ such as the Fed in such a quick and exponentially cascading manner?  It may not be here yet, but there are countless positive signs.  But it takes work and we need action.  I hope we can all be the change we seek and work together to revive the spirit of Liberty and Justice here and throughout the world.  Like all things it begins with an idea.

          • BuzzCoastin

            I wouldn’t want to dissuade you from your reform efforts; good luck. 

            History has never seen a government without corruption. Usually the cycle consists of ever increasing corruption of the government till it finally collapses and then the cycle starts again. It seems to me that the Empire of the Good is now in its final stages.  How it begins again is anybody’s guess.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

     The thing is that, despite all the evidence that something is rotten in Der Homeland and 911 is just one of the many rotten things; still nothing can or will be done about it.

    911, the CIA involvement in drug smuggling and torture, the abuses of the Military-Industrial-Bankster Complex will not be tried or punished, no matter how many exposes are brought forward. That’s the Amerikan way.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

     The thing is that, despite all the evidence that something is rotten in Der Homeland and 911 is just one of the many rotten things; still nothing can or will be done about it.

    911, the CIA involvement in drug smuggling and torture, the abuses of the Military-Industrial-Bankster Complex will not be tried or punished, no matter how many exposes are brought forward. That’s the Amerikan way.

  • Rodneypopper

    The official NIST line as stated in the video is “Bldg. 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings…NOT because of explosives or fuel oiled fires” Yet Stan Chaz has some secret knowledge of thermite, fuel oil, explosives and weapons in the bunker? Too many times, Stan Chaz you use the words “might” “surely” and “perhaps”… Lets look at science instead of speculation!

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  • Ashley

    Yea he sounds like FOX News, “Some people have said that…”

  • Mark Cristen

    Building 7 burned for 7 hours.
    Firefighters said it was unstable and likely to collapse.
    They neither heard nor saw any detonation charges.
    Not a trace of detonation charges in the seismic record.
    Still not a decent reason put forward on why it would be demolished or why wait until 5:20 to do so.
    The only reason anyone thinks building 7 was demolished is because of the striking videos.
    But it turns out it didn’t fall symmetrically or in its footprint. 

    But for conspiracy believers, controlled demolition is their religion and they close their eyes to reality. They start out with a deep distrust and even anger toward government, so they’re already open to believing the most outlandish and far-fetched rumors about government misdeeds. So along come a few outspoken, seemingly technically competent charlatans like architect  Richard Gage and the conspiracists think that gives legitimacy to their deepest suspicions. And anyone who disagrees with them is automatically a spy or a shill or a swallower of everything government officials say.

    • WeAreChangeAtlanta

      Is it maybe because the “striking videos” clearly show evidence of a controlled demolition to anyone without the psychological fear of admitting it?  Again without resorting to the over worn ad hominem of “conspiracy theorists” or “conspiracy believers”,   lets talk about the evidence?  If you can’t do that then you are just pretending to think while mimicking the derision and logical fallacies of lamestream media.  

      Explain to me how a building with 80 core columns of steel with 3-5x’s the strength required are all severed within a 10th of a second of one another to enable the initial 100 feet ~ 8 stories of Freefall as admitted by NIST.  Again NIST admits this and yet outside of a blackbox computer model which conveniently they wont’ share because of “national security” they have no means to explain.  Anyone who actually watches the computer model compared to the actual collapse realizes quickly that it looks completely different from reality.  Not to mention they have not used any of the steel from WTC7 in their report, have used fraudulent input values in all of their Finite Element Analysis models, and admit to not ever having looked for explosives thought it is specifically required BY LAW in NFPA 21 (Google that shit)

      No offense to you Mark but you are doing yourself and everyone a disservice by buying into the “sacred myth” of 9/11.  This video most appropriately and concisely displays the absurdity of the conspiracy theories you and the government are peddling.  

      I invite logical, constructive dialog.  

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

      Transcript and sources: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=2594

  • Mark Cristen

    Building 7 burned for 7 hours.
    Firefighters said it was unstable and likely to collapse.
    They neither heard nor saw any detonation charges.
    Not a trace of detonation charges in the seismic record.
    Still not a decent reason put forward on why it would be demolished or why wait until 5:20 to do so.
    The only reason anyone thinks building 7 was demolished is because of the striking videos.
    But it turns out it didn’t fall symmetrically or in its footprint. 

    But for conspiracy believers, controlled demolition is their religion and they close their eyes to reality. They start out with a deep distrust and even anger toward government, so they’re already open to believing the most outlandish and far-fetched rumors about government misdeeds. So along come a few outspoken, seemingly technically competent charlatans like architect  Richard Gage and the conspiracists think that gives legitimacy to their deepest suspicions. And anyone who disagrees with them is automatically a spy or a shill or a swallower of everything government officials say.

  • Mark Cristen

    Building 7 burned for 7 hours.
    Firefighters said it was unstable and likely to collapse.
    They neither heard nor saw any detonation charges.
    Not a trace of detonation charges in the seismic record.
    Still not a decent reason put forward on why it would be demolished or why wait until 5:20 to do so.
    The only reason anyone thinks building 7 was demolished is because of the striking videos.
    But it turns out it didn’t fall symmetrically or in its footprint. 

    But for conspiracy believers, controlled demolition is their religion and they close their eyes to reality. They start out with a deep distrust and even anger toward government, so they’re already open to believing the most outlandish and far-fetched rumors about government misdeeds. So along come a few outspoken, seemingly technically competent charlatans like architect  Richard Gage and the conspiracists think that gives legitimacy to their deepest suspicions. And anyone who disagrees with them is automatically a spy or a shill or a swallower of everything government officials say.

  • WeAreChangeAtlanta

    Well, Sorry I’m sure if you had asked the French Elite pre beheading if they ever thought it would catch up with them they would have said no.  No one knows what can or cannot happen.  My question is would you be willing to do something about corruption or is it just easier to say “nothing can or will be done about it” and stay asleep and apathetic?  

  • WeAreChangeAtlanta

    Well, Sorry I’m sure if you had asked the French Elite pre beheading if they ever thought it would catch up with them they would have said no.  No one knows what can or cannot happen.  My question is would you be willing to do something about corruption or is it just easier to say “nothing can or will be done about it” and stay asleep and apathetic?  

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    Well, I’ve done quite a few things in my time, starting with my refusal to be drafted into Der Homeland’s Army during the Vietnamese Civil War.  Back then there wasn’t the plethora of information about government corruption, but today it is abundantly clear that the government is corrupt; led by a greedy, blood thirsty elite. Are Wee the People up in arms and out on the street? No, but Wee are shopping and celebrating the deaths of fictional characters.

    Has Bush or Cheney been charge with war crimes?
       No, they got book deals.
    Have the laws been changed to limit campaign spending?
       No, they have been amended to facilitate more bribes and payoffs.
    Have those hurt by the machinations of the Banksters been compensated?
       No, the money had to be used for Bankster bonuses.
    Has anyone been held accountable or the invasion of two nations based on lies and fabrications?
      No, they are collecting fat Fed pensions.

    Obummer was the end of Hope and Change; now it’s shite sandwiches with polluted water till the Empire of the Good sinks into oblivion.

  • EveryMan

    Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy.  You honestly think they just happened to store thermite there and that would explain it?  Also who are “The Conspiracy Theorists”  Would that be anyone who doesn’t believe in the government’s version of events?   Convenient.  I would say check out the work of the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, make yourself aware of the evidence and then reconsider your rationalizations.  Not saying this to be a dick, but it’s kind of like the stages of coping with death.  Denial is a barrier we must all overcome at some point.  Wishing you well.

  • WeAreChangeAtlanta

    Is it maybe because the “striking videos” clearly show evidence of a controlled demolition to anyone without the psychological fear of admitting it?  Again without resorting to the over worn ad hominem of “conspiracy theorists” or “conspiracy believers”,   lets talk about the evidence?  If you can’t do that then you are just pretending to think while mimicking the derision and logical fallacies of lamestream media.  

    Explain to me how a building with 80 core columns of steel with 3-5x’s the strength required are all severed within a 10th of a second of one another to enable the initial 100 feet ~ 8 stories of Freefall as admitted by NIST.  Again NIST admits this and yet outside of a blackbox computer model which conveniently they wont’ share because of “national security” they have no means to explain.  Anyone who actually watches the computer model compared to the actual collapse realizes quickly that it looks completely different from reality.  Not to mention they have not used any of the steel from WTC7 in their report, have used fraudulent input values in all of their Finite Element Analysis models, and admit to not ever having looked for explosives thought it is specifically required BY LAW in NFPA 21 (Google that shit)

    No offense to you Mark but you are doing yourself and everyone a disservice by buying into the “sacred myth” of 9/11.  This video most appropriately and concisely displays the absurdity of the conspiracy theories you and the government are peddling.  

    I invite logical, constructive dialog.  

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

    Transcript and sources: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=2594

  • WeAreChangeAtlanta

    I think you are being overly pessimistic.  Though many still sleep, more than ever people are awake.  They must sense that armed resistance and storming the capital are only ways to tempt the state to invoke martial law and it’s not a pleasant nor intelligent scenario for free humanity in my opinion.  Still gears are turning and minds awakening.  New leadership is needed and does exist, perhaps it’s a all a matter or perspective.

    Have we ever before seen a mass movement for truth of a grand conspiracy such as the 9/11 Truth movement?  Were people ever made aware of an insidious organ such as the Fed in such a quick and exponentially cascading manner?  It may not be here yet, but there are countless positive signs.  But it takes work and we need action.  I hope we can all be the change we seek and work together to revive the spirit of Liberty and Justice here and throughout the world.  Like all things it begins with an idea.

  • WeAreChangeAtlanta

    I think you are being overly pessimistic.  Though many still sleep, more than ever people are awake.  They must sense that armed resistance and storming the capital are only ways to tempt the state to invoke martial law and it’s not a pleasant nor intelligent scenario for free humanity in my opinion.  Still gears are turning and minds awakening.  New leadership is needed and does exist, perhaps it’s a all a matter or perspective.

    Have we ever before seen a mass movement for truth of a grand conspiracy such as the 9/11 Truth movement?  Were people ever made aware of an insidious organ such as the Fed in such a quick and exponentially cascading manner?  It may not be here yet, but there are countless positive signs.  But it takes work and we need action.  I hope we can all be the change we seek and work together to revive the spirit of Liberty and Justice here and throughout the world.  Like all things it begins with an idea.

  • WeAreChangeAtlanta

    I think you are being overly pessimistic.  Though many still sleep, more than ever people are awake.  They must sense that armed resistance and storming the capital are only ways to tempt the state to invoke martial law and it’s not a pleasant nor intelligent scenario for free humanity in my opinion.  Still gears are turning and minds awakening.  New leadership is needed and does exist, perhaps it’s a all a matter or perspective.

    Have we ever before seen a mass movement for truth of a grand conspiracy such as the 9/11 Truth movement?  Were people ever made aware of an insidious organ such as the Fed in such a quick and exponentially cascading manner?  It may not be here yet, but there are countless positive signs.  But it takes work and we need action.  I hope we can all be the change we seek and work together to revive the spirit of Liberty and Justice here and throughout the world.  Like all things it begins with an idea.

  • http://buzzcoastin.posterous.com BuzzCoastin

    I wouldn’t want to dissuade you from your reform efforts; good luck. 

    History has never seen a government without corruption. Usually the cycle consists of ever increasing corruption of the government till it finally collapses and then the cycle starts again. It seems to me that the Empire of the Good is now in its final stages.  How it begins again is anybody’s guess.

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