100 Responses to Mutually Assured Destruction Vs. Mutually Assured Respect

  1. Wanooski September 19, 2011 at 7:15 pm #

    What are his stances on ecology collapse and global warming? 

  2. Anarchy Pony September 19, 2011 at 3:15 pm #

    What are his stances on ecology collapse and global warming? 

    • Redacted September 19, 2011 at 3:36 pm #

      Gubmint is bad on all accounts.

      • Anarchy Pony September 19, 2011 at 4:13 pm #

        But what are his stances on ecology and global warming? 
        Does he have any? Or is he some insulated capitalist moron who is utterly incapable of looking at the world without the magnifying glass of economics and monetary parameters? Who is so dumb and blind that he can’t understand that economics isn’t science and that putting economics on a pedestal above ecology will lead only to the utter destruction of the vast majority of life on this planet. Does he understand that we are in the midst of the worst extinction since the KT event, and that industrialism, capitalist, communist or otherwise is the cause? Does he know that if the warming caused by industrialist activity melts the permafrost and releases the methane trapped within, that it will lead down an inevitable path to our own extinction? Does he know that businessmen aren’t the good guys? Does he know that economic freedom has nothing to do with real freedom? Does he know that the earth is 4.5 billion years old? And that humans really are just animals that really don’t have a right to “manage” the natural world? Or does he believe in Christian nonsense that gives humanity carte blanch to destroy and exploit for private gain? Does he think that the growth paradigm isn’t insane and unsustainable? Does he take to heart the moronic proclamation that we should be fruitful and multiply? Does he think humans should have dominion over the earth?
        What does he really think? 

        • Ajsilver42 September 19, 2011 at 4:24 pm #

          He is a politician.  I doubt we’ll ever really know what he thinks, until we elect him.  And then he has to be ‘strong’ enough to resist coercion, brainwashing (or just regular deception), and then he’s gotta actually make the decision.  And even George HW Bush got thrown out for raising taxes, which was the right thing to do…

          I totally agree, btw, about massive extinction (i read science articles).  If only we were prepared.  I think it is too late now.  The late 70s were when we were supposed to wake up from the nightmare.  But instead the sandman put on a funny mask and we laughed and gorged ourselves into the 90s.  

        • Redacted September 19, 2011 at 4:35 pm #

          “Government is bad” is his only stance. 

          Environmental catastrophe? Government is bad.
          Overpopulation? Government is bad.
          Global warming? Government is bad.

          • Anarchy Pony September 19, 2011 at 5:01 pm #

            Just wanted to clarify Sub-Commandante Marcos.

          • Anarchy Pony September 19, 2011 at 9:07 pm #

            I pointed out that your avatar was Sub-Commandante Marcos and the you go and change it.

          • Redacted September 20, 2011 at 1:39 am #

            It was not at all related

            by which I mean it was totally related

        • Agent Six September 19, 2011 at 10:19 pm #

          Stop watching the Al Gore channel.. 

          • Anarchy Pony September 20, 2011 at 2:27 pm #

            Why is it you fucktards always come back to Al Gore? I don’t give a shit about Al Gore. Things are far worse than what Al Gore talks about.

        • Kevin Tutt September 20, 2011 at 1:19 am #

          if you really want  to know read his books. I have e-versions if you want them. the fact is yes he’s a christian. but he’s not some neo- fascist-dogma-on-his-sleeve-evangelical fucktard like say Michele Bachman or Rick Perry, or worse, Romney the Mormon.  And the dude is damn doctor, who has seen the institution of 3rd parties in the  “health” care industry. lets not forget that among our industry. Ron Paul would rather work toward an environment where people could afford to go to the doctor for check ups without paying a car note for it, where pharmaceutical companies don’t dictate over the medical schools,  and where people take more responsibility for themselves and corporations don’t have advantage over the individual. With global warming, I think understands what most people understand, he understands that there are A LOT of scientists out there who are not convinced that the science is settled, and he understands that even if the Al Gore version held any water we wouldn’t be able to legislate our way out of it.  Seriously I’ll email you the books if want them.

          • Redacted September 20, 2011 at 1:41 am #

            Holy Marx tells us all we need to know troll

          • Anarchy Pony September 20, 2011 at 2:34 pm #

            I’m really more a fan of Prouhdon, Bakunin, and Kropotkin. I like Kropotkin in particular. 

          • Jin The Ninja September 20, 2011 at 5:23 pm #

            You get a double like for that.

          • Anarchy Pony September 20, 2011 at 6:47 pm #

            Why, thank you. Kropotkin wins because he was the first to apply evolutionary theory to anarchist philosophy.

          • Anarchy Pony September 20, 2011 at 2:32 pm #

            Sorry but the majority of science is settled on the matter and it is not really very complicated, and this doesn’t even get into the ecological collapse that isn’t directly related to the changing climate, the collapse happening because of deforestation, contamination, pollution, extirpation. And I don’t feel like reading the books. 
            I do not trust this man. Simple fact is the world he wants is not the world I want. And really there is no governmental path to it any way.

    • Adaugeo September 20, 2011 at 10:04 am #

      He thinks the free market will create an environment in which new tech would be created and sold for profit to address these problems as people become concerned with them. The problem is of course generally people don’t pay attention to the problems or solutions and large corporations use huge resources to execute predatory practices on start-ups and small business stifling growth, competition, and change. At the same time I net most people don’t realize that our tax dollars subsidize 75-100% of oil exploration. For example, if you have a million dollars you can’t hide from the IRS you can go drill for oil. If you don’t complete the well, we support a 100% write off, if you complete the well but don’t find oil, you get 75% of your money back courtesy of taxes. Most wells pay back within a month though and that’s why people invest on oil. Love it or hate it, that’s the way it is.

  3. Dueyv9 September 19, 2011 at 7:18 pm #

    So what did he say that’s crazy? I’m not falling for your trap. You tell us what he said first.

  4. Dueyv9 September 19, 2011 at 3:18 pm #

    So what did he say that’s crazy? I’m not falling for your trap. You tell us what he said first.

  5. Anonymous September 19, 2011 at 7:26 pm #

    He’s quazy…..the truth is sooo boring. Bring on the nukes! 

    Madness is fun. Death is a hoot. Bend over now and accept the boot…..

    Smooooooches to Mr. Paul….. 

  6. Anonymous September 19, 2011 at 7:26 pm #

    He’s quazy…..the truth is sooo boring. Bring on the nukes! 

    Madness is fun. Death is a hoot. Bend over now and accept the boot…..

    Smooooooches to Mr. Paul….. 

  7. GoodDoktorBad September 19, 2011 at 3:26 pm #

    He’s quazy…..the truth is sooo boring. Bring on the nukes! 

    Madness is fun. Death is a hoot. Bend over now and accept the boot…..

    Smooooooches to Mr. Paul….. 

    • Diogenes the Cynic September 20, 2011 at 1:29 am #

      Instead of the ‘boot stepping upon a human face for a 1000 years’ we’d have Imelda Marco’s perpetually changing shoe’s steppin’ on our collective faces?

      • GoodDoktorBad September 20, 2011 at 10:13 am #

        It’s all about the type of footwear used and the body part so abused. lol

  8. Elmyr23 September 19, 2011 at 7:31 pm #

    This one is wierd to me. I like what he is saying here to a degree but i just can’t see how you care about the world but not about giving healthcare to people. It sounds like he wants to feed everyone that is willing to join a peaceful union, but not keep them alive once they get the food. I guess it just seems like in a natural progression you would start with ideas smaller, like helping your neighbor before jumping towards stopping wars and feeding the hungry of the world. If anything this sounds closer to a one world capitalist system which would only lead to more money in less hands, if thats even possible.

  9. Elmyr23 September 19, 2011 at 7:31 pm #

    This one is wierd to me. I like what he is saying here to a degree but i just can’t see how you care about the world but not about giving healthcare to people. It sounds like he wants to feed everyone that is willing to join a peaceful union, but not keep them alive once they get the food. I guess it just seems like in a natural progression you would start with ideas smaller, like helping your neighbor before jumping towards stopping wars and feeding the hungry of the world. If anything this sounds closer to a one world capitalist system which would only lead to more money in less hands, if thats even possible.

  10. Elmyr23 September 19, 2011 at 3:31 pm #

    This one is wierd to me. I like what he is saying here to a degree but i just can’t see how you care about the world but not about giving healthcare to people. It sounds like he wants to feed everyone that is willing to join a peaceful union, but not keep them alive once they get the food. I guess it just seems like in a natural progression you would start with ideas smaller, like helping your neighbor before jumping towards stopping wars and feeding the hungry of the world. If anything this sounds closer to a one world capitalist system which would only lead to more money in less hands, if thats even possible.

  11. Elmyr23 September 19, 2011 at 7:32 pm #

    don’t know why this double posted

  12. Elmyr23 September 19, 2011 at 7:32 pm #

    don’t know why this double posted

  13. Anonymous September 19, 2011 at 7:36 pm #

    Gubmint is bad on all accounts.

  14. Wanooski September 19, 2011 at 8:13 pm #

    But what are his stances on ecology and global warming? 
    Does he have any? Or is he some insulated capitalist moron who is utterly incapable of looking at the world without the magnifying glass of economics and monetary parameters? Who is so dumb and blind that he can’t understand that economics isn’t science and that putting economics on a pedestal above ecology will lead only to the utter destruction of the vast majority of life on this planet. Does he understand that we are in the midst of the worst extinction since the KT event, and that industrialism, capitalist, communist or otherwise is the cause? Does he know that if the warming caused by industrialist activity melts the permafrost and releases the methane trapped within, that it will lead down an inevitable path to our own extinction? Does he know that businessmen aren’t the good guys? Does he know that economic freedom has nothing to do with real freedom? Does he know that the earth is 4.5 billion years old? And that humans really are just animals that really don’t have a right to “manage” the natural world? Or does he believe in Christian nonsense that gives humanity carte blanch to destroy and exploit for private gain? Does he think that the growth paradigm isn’t insane and unsustainable? Does he take to heart the moronic proclamation that we should be fruitful and multiply? Does he think humans should have dominion over the earth?
    What does he really think? 

  15. Wanooski September 19, 2011 at 8:13 pm #

    But what are his stances on ecology and global warming? 
    Does he have any? Or is he some insulated capitalist moron who is utterly incapable of looking at the world without the magnifying glass of economics and monetary parameters? Who is so dumb and blind that he can’t understand that economics isn’t science and that putting economics on a pedestal above ecology will lead only to the utter destruction of the vast majority of life on this planet. Does he understand that we are in the midst of the worst extinction since the KT event, and that industrialism, capitalist, communist or otherwise is the cause? Does he know that if the warming caused by industrialist activity melts the permafrost and releases the methane trapped within, that it will lead down an inevitable path to our own extinction? Does he know that businessmen aren’t the good guys? Does he know that economic freedom has nothing to do with real freedom? Does he know that the earth is 4.5 billion years old? And that humans really are just animals that really don’t have a right to “manage” the natural world? Or does he believe in Christian nonsense that gives humanity carte blanch to destroy and exploit for private gain? Does he think that the growth paradigm isn’t insane and unsustainable? Does he take to heart the moronic proclamation that we should be fruitful and multiply? Does he think humans should have dominion over the earth?
    What does he really think? 

  16. Ajsilver42 September 19, 2011 at 8:24 pm #

    He is a politician.  I doubt we’ll ever really know what he thinks, until we elect him.  And then he has to be ‘strong’ enough to resist coercion, brainwashing (or just regular deception), and then he’s gotta actually make the decision.  And even George HW Bush got thrown out for raising taxes, which was the right thing to do…

    I totally agree, btw, about massive extinction (i read science articles).  If only we were prepared.  I think it is too late now.  The late 70s were when we were supposed to wake up from the nightmare.  But instead the sandman put on a funny mask and we laughed and gorged ourselves into the 90s.  

  17. Ajsilver42 September 19, 2011 at 8:25 pm #

    Missed the mark; it’s mutually assured peace.

  18. Ajsilver42 September 19, 2011 at 4:25 pm #

    Missed the mark; it’s mutually assured peace.

  19. J Ackley September 19, 2011 at 8:34 pm #

    This is one of the most sane things I have heard coming from a politician in many years.

  20. J Ackley September 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm #

    This is one of the most sane things I have heard coming from a politician in many years.

  21. Anonymous September 19, 2011 at 8:35 pm #

    “Government is bad” is his only stance. 

    Environmental catastrophe? Government is bad.
    Overpopulation? Government is bad.
    Global warming? Government is bad.

  22. Wanooski September 19, 2011 at 9:01 pm #

    Just wanted to clarify Sub-Commandante Marcos.

  23. Chaohinon September 19, 2011 at 11:04 pm #

    Ron Paul has repeatedly stated that the resources saved from slashing the defense budget and shutting down the wars should be used to take care of people. “Take 10 million off the debt, give another 10 to children’s healthcare, or whoever needs it.” – from the last debate.

    Yeah, I have reservations with Ron Paul, too, but please stop spreading this blatant disinformation.

  24. Chaohinon September 19, 2011 at 7:04 pm #

    Ron Paul has repeatedly stated that the resources saved from slashing the defense budget and shutting down the wars should be used to take care of people. “Take 10 million off the debt, give another 10 to children’s healthcare, or whoever needs it.” – from the last debate.

    Yeah, I have reservations with Ron Paul, too, but please stop spreading this blatant disinformation.

    • SF2K01 September 19, 2011 at 9:06 pm #

      He’ll also use that money to stop abortion and further the christian agenda from which most of his ideas stem, don’t forget about that part.

      • Adaugeo September 19, 2011 at 9:25 pm #

        I think Bush was pro Christian agenda but it had nothing to do with Paul. What you prefer perpetual war and banking/corporate interest?

        • SF2K01 September 19, 2011 at 9:57 pm #

          It doesn’t have anything to do with Bush, Paul is vehemently pro-life and pro-christian and says so. Why are so many people suckers for this man’s propaganda promising he’s “different?” He’s just another politician doing what they all do: Pulling your strings and making you dance. If put in charge you’d see the exact same flip that you saw from Obama. Where’s your messiah now?

          • Kevin Tutt September 20, 2011 at 12:54 am #

            It’s not like he’s Michele Bachman or anything. that word “vehemently”… I do not think it means what you think it means

          • SF2K01 September 20, 2011 at 2:22 am #

            Being vehement about an issue is not the same thing as being a complete wack job. If you’re saying it’s not so bad because “at least he’s not as nuts as the other guys,” you’re already saying something far different than most of his blind supporters, although it is still a logical fallacy.

          • Adaugeo September 20, 2011 at 9:49 am #

            Obama had one term in congress before becoming president and he flipped liked an acrobat when he got to the white house. Secrecy, corruption, military expansion, these were all things he said he would stop and ultimately did. Paul has been in for over 20 years and has consistently voted against the status quo to actually deliver on things Obama promised. So you’re saying we should expect him to flip on everything good he mentions but won’t flip on ONE aspect most people on this forum disagree with? And what alternatives are there. Every other candidate including the incumbent is the same old pile of stench we’ve seen since Kennedy. Sounds like another conspiracy nut to me that requires you buy into exactly your brand of theory because you know it all without looking at any evidence. It’s lazy and counterproductive.

          • aGirlCanDream September 20, 2011 at 11:58 am #

            Thank you, Adaugeo! Yes, Doctor Paul possesses a little-know quality in the world of politics, that thing called “integrity”. The man does not flip-flop and when asked about controversial things which he has voted for or against (usually against) in the past, he never apologizes or makes excuses: instead, he explains – in detail – why he voted the way he did and what his thought process was. Whether you agree with him or not is another matter entirely…but you MUST acknowledge that he is man of principle and he sticks to his guns. And considering that he is the ONLY candidate who wants to bring home ALL of the troops – and considering that he has repeatedly said on record that he will NOT abuse the power of executive orders but WILL use that power to bring the troops home – then yes, I believe him and yes, I will vote for him…because it is the right thing to do. As far as his economic policies are concerned…they are fun to think about but he will NEVER be able to implement them because both Republicans AND Democrats are completely sold on the Keynesian model. But he might also be able to get the so-called “patriot” act repealed and wouldn’t it be just terrible if he were able to convince congress and senate to legalize ALL drugs across the board (just like Portugal did in 2001). Yeah, that sounds freak’n terrible to me…   

    • releasethedogs September 19, 2011 at 11:36 pm #

      10 million off the nation debt of $ 1 4 , 7 1 1 , 7 2 2 , 4 4 1 , 4 4 2 . 6 0 as of right this second. Ha! What a joke.

  25. Adaugeo September 20, 2011 at 12:17 am #

    Tolerance, Peace, Respect. I’d love to have a conversation with someone who disagrees with that in a public forum with our family and friends present. I support a politician not for their “electability” but for their actions. In an insane world, the sane being seems crazy.

  26. Adaugeo September 19, 2011 at 8:17 pm #

    Tolerance, Peace, Respect. I’d love to have a conversation with someone who disagrees with that in a public forum with our family and friends present. I support a politician not for their “electability” but for their actions. In an insane world, the sane being seems crazy.

  27. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 1:06 am #

    He’ll also use that money to stop abortion and further the christian agenda from which most of his ideas stem, don’t forget about that part.

  28. Wanooski September 20, 2011 at 1:07 am #

    I pointed out that your avatar was Sub-Commandante Marcos and the you go and change it.

  29. Dubtheworld September 20, 2011 at 1:11 am #

    gubment bad. starvation good.

  30. Dubtheworld September 19, 2011 at 9:11 pm #

    gubment bad. starvation good.

  31. Adaugeo September 20, 2011 at 1:25 am #

    I think Bush was pro Christian agenda but it had nothing to do with Paul. What you prefer perpetual war and banking/corporate interest?

  32. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 1:57 am #

    It doesn’t have anything to do with Bush, Paul is vehemently pro-life and pro-christian and says so. Why are so many people suckers for this man’s propaganda promising he’s “different?” He’s just another politician doing what they all do: Pulling your strings and making you dance.

  33. Agent Six September 20, 2011 at 2:19 am #

    Stop watching the Al Gore channel.. 

  34. Dandd284 September 20, 2011 at 3:13 am #

    “The crazy man”? Who do you have in mind that is better? Some sane person that carries on the status quo? You call Ron Paul crazy, and your very next story is of a man that has held his arm in the air for 30 something years. It is crazy not to spend more money than you have? It is crazy not to tangle our country in wars? It is crazy to have a monetary system connected to gold? It is crazy to promote liberty of the individual? I don’t understand what you are looking for. Ron Paul may not be perfect, but is Perry or Obama better than Ron Paul? I think not. You may have some dream of a world without government, and that would be nice. But, it isn’t going to happen. You have millions of uneducated voters, and Ron Paul is the best chance us liberty lovers have.

  35. Dandd284 September 19, 2011 at 11:13 pm #

    “The crazy man”? Who do you have in mind that is better? Some sane person that carries on the status quo? You call Ron Paul crazy, and your very next story is of a man that has held his arm in the air for 30 something years. It is crazy not to spend more money than you have? It is crazy not to tangle our country in wars? It is crazy to have a monetary system connected to gold? It is crazy to promote liberty of the individual? I don’t understand what you are looking for. Ron Paul may not be perfect, but is Perry or Obama better than Ron Paul? I think not. You may have some dream of a world without government, and that would be nice. But, it isn’t going to happen. You have millions of uneducated voters, and Ron Paul is the best chance us liberty lovers have.

    • Elmyr23 September 19, 2011 at 11:47 pm #

      the guy holding his hand up is crazy to me, what does his “liberty of the individual” really mean. I think more and more that most of you capitalist are really anarchist. With the rich holding the means to survivual, and we would all love to be in that seat.

      • Anarchy Pony September 20, 2011 at 3:33 pm #

        They are what are called “anarcho capitalists” Or rightist libertarians, And what they push isn’t really anarchism at all. Infoshop.org Anarchist FAQ section F.

    • sonicbphuct September 20, 2011 at 12:59 am #

      it is crazy to want a monetary system connected to gold. The rest – that’s fairly sane. However, sane or not, just because something is nice, “but isn’t going to happen” doesn’t mean I’m willing to settle. Perry & Obama are shitty, but ‘lesser of the evils’ is still evil.

  36. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 3:36 am #

    10 million off the nation debt of $ 1 4 , 7 1 1 , 7 2 2 , 4 4 1 , 4 4 2 . 6 0 as of right this second. Ha! What a joke.

  37. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 3:38 am #

    Lies from a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  38. releasethedogs September 19, 2011 at 11:38 pm #

    Lies from a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  39. Elmyr23 September 20, 2011 at 3:47 am #

    the guy holding his hand up is crazy to me, what does his “liberty of the individual” really mean. I think more and more that most of you capitalist are really anarchist. With the rich holding the means to survivual, and we would all love to be in that seat.

  40. Kevin Tutt September 20, 2011 at 4:54 am #

    It’s not like he’s Michele Bachman or anything. that word “vehemently”… I do not think it means what you think it means

  41. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 4:59 am #

    it is crazy to want a monetary system connected to gold. The rest – that’s fairly sane. However, sane or not, just because something is nice, “but isn’t going to happen” doesn’t mean I’m willing to settle. Perry & Obama are shitty, but ‘lesser of the evils’ is still evil.

  42. Kevin Tutt September 20, 2011 at 5:19 am #

    if you really want  to know read his books. I have e-versions if you want them. the fact is yes he’s a christian. but he’s not some neo- fascist-dogma-on-his-sleeve-evangelical fucktard like say Michele Bachman or Rick Perry, or worse, Romney the Mormon.  And the dude is damn doctor, who has seen the institution of 3rd parties in the  “health” care industry. lets not forget that among our industry. Ron Paul would rather work toward an environment where people could afford to go to the doctor for check ups without paying a car note for it, where pharmaceutical companies don’t dictate over the medical schools,  and where people take more responsibility for themselves and corporations don’t have advantage over the individual. With global warming, I think understands what most people understand, he understands that there are A LOT of scientists out there who are not convinced that the science is settled, and he understands that even if the Al Gore version held any water we wouldn’t be able to legislate our way out of it.  Seriously I’ll email you the books if want them.

  43. Kevin Tutt September 20, 2011 at 5:19 am #

    if you really want  to know read his books. I have e-versions if you want them. the fact is yes he’s a christian. but he’s not some neo- fascist-dogma-on-his-sleeve-evangelical fucktard like say Michele Bachman or Rick Perry, or worse, Romney the Mormon.  And the dude is damn doctor, who has seen the institution of 3rd parties in the  “health” care industry. lets not forget that among our industry. Ron Paul would rather work toward an environment where people could afford to go to the doctor for check ups without paying a car note for it, where pharmaceutical companies don’t dictate over the medical schools,  and where people take more responsibility for themselves and corporations don’t have advantage over the individual. With global warming, I think understands what most people understand, he understands that there are A LOT of scientists out there who are not convinced that the science is settled, and he understands that even if the Al Gore version held any water we wouldn’t be able to legislate our way out of it.  Seriously I’ll email you the books if want them.

  44. Kevin Tutt September 20, 2011 at 5:19 am #

    if you really want  to know read his books. I have e-versions if you want them. the fact is yes he’s a christian. but he’s not some neo- fascist-dogma-on-his-sleeve-evangelical fucktard like say Michele Bachman or Rick Perry, or worse, Romney the Mormon.  And the dude is damn doctor, who has seen the institution of 3rd parties in the  “health” care industry. lets not forget that among our industry. Ron Paul would rather work toward an environment where people could afford to go to the doctor for check ups without paying a car note for it, where pharmaceutical companies don’t dictate over the medical schools,  and where people take more responsibility for themselves and corporations don’t have advantage over the individual. With global warming, I think understands what most people understand, he understands that there are A LOT of scientists out there who are not convinced that the science is settled, and he understands that even if the Al Gore version held any water we wouldn’t be able to legislate our way out of it.  Seriously I’ll email you the books if want them.

  45. Diogenes the Cynic September 20, 2011 at 5:29 am #

    Instead of the ‘boot stepping upon a human face for a 1000 years’ we’d have Imelda Marco’s perpetually changing shoe’s steppin’ on our collective faces?

  46. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 5:39 am #

    It was not at all related

    by which I mean it was totally related

  47. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 5:39 am #

    It was not at all related

    by which I mean it was totally related

  48. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 5:41 am #

    Holy Marx tells us all we need to know troll

  49. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 5:41 am #

    Holy Marx tells us all we need to know troll

  50. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 6:22 am #

    Being vehement about an issue is not the same thing as being a complete wack job. If you’re saying it’s not so bad because “at least he’s not as nuts as the other guys,” you’re already saying something far different than most of his blind supporters, although it is still a logical fallacy.

  51. DeepCough September 20, 2011 at 4:23 am #

    You’re right, Paul is crazy–he just invited the “Powers That Be” to destroy his presidential campaign with his message of anti-imperialism. R.I.P. RP.

    • Tuna Ghost September 20, 2011 at 5:34 am #

      Sad but true.  Asking everyone to reverse the direction the US has been moving in since the end of WWII, the one that has made the elite what they are today, is basically asking them to stomp him into dust.  

  52. DeepCough September 20, 2011 at 8:23 am #

    You’re right, Paul is crazy–he just invited the “Powers That Be” to destroy his presidential campaign with his message of anti-imperialism. R.I.P. RP.

  53. Tuna Ghost September 20, 2011 at 9:34 am #

    Sad but true.  Asking everyone to reverse the direction the US has been moving in since the end of WWII, the one that has made the elite what they are today, is basically asking them to stomp him into dust.  

  54. Tuna Ghost September 20, 2011 at 5:41 am #

    Oh Ron Paul I want to believe you.  I really do.  But how can I believe that you’re more than just another politician who’ll change his mind once in office?  I’m a little leery of your “state’s rights trump all other concerns” position (by “a little leery” I mean “very suspicious”), but in regard to foreign policy and the debt crisis you’ve got your head on straight.  How do i know this isn’t an elaborate show?  Is this you tugging on my heartstrings, pandering to my beliefs to get you in office so you can push your Christian agenda?  I’ve been fooled by a nice guy telling me one thing and then doing another once in office before, sir.  

    Also, you’ve basically put a bounty on your own head by trying to reverse the direction the US has been moving in for the last seventy-odd years, by encouraging an end to the policies that made the rich and powerful in the US what they are.  If you’re not ground into paste by this time next year, I’ll think about it.

    • Adaugeo September 20, 2011 at 9:52 am #

      Look at his voting record. You’re right, he does have a bounty on his head but it’s not a lot because he’s not a threat. If elected president I suspect he would have an induced heart attack.

  55. Tuna Ghost September 20, 2011 at 9:41 am #

    Oh Ron Paul I want to believe you.  I really do.  But how can I believe that you’re more than just another politician who’ll change his mind once in office?  I’m a little leery of your “state’s rights trump all other concerns” position (by “a little leery” I mean “very suspicious”), but in regard to foreign policy and the debt crisis you’ve got your head on straight.  How do i know this isn’t an elaborate show?  Is this you tugging on my heartstrings, pandering to my beliefs to get you in office so you can push your Christian agenda?  I’ve been fooled by a nice guy telling me one thing and then doing another once in office before, sir.  

    Also, you’ve basically put a bounty on your own head by trying to reverse the direction the US has been moving in for the last seventy-odd years, by encouraging an end to the policies that made the rich and powerful in the US what they are.  If you’re not ground into paste by this time next year, I’ll think about it.

  56. Adaugeo September 20, 2011 at 1:49 pm #

    Obama had one term in congress before becoming president and he flipped liked an acrobat when he got to the white house. Secrecy, corruption, military expansion, these were all things he said he would stop and ultimately did. Paul has been in for over 20 years and has consistently voted against the status quo to actually deliver on things Obama promised. So you’re saying we should expect him to flip on everything good he mentions but won’t flip on ONE aspect most people on this forum disagree with? And what alternatives are there. Every other candidate including the incumbent is the same old pile of stench we’ve seen since Kennedy. Sounds like another conspiracy nut to me that requires you buy into exactly your brand of theory because you know it all without looking at any evidence. It’s lazy and counterproductive.

  57. Adaugeo September 20, 2011 at 1:52 pm #

    Look at his voting record. You’re right, he does have a bounty on his head but it’s not a lot because he’s not a threat. If elected president I suspect he would have an induced heart attack.

  58. Adaugeo September 20, 2011 at 2:04 pm #

    He thinks the free market will create an environment in which new tech would be created and sold for profit to address these problems as people become concerned with them. The problem is of course generally people don’t pay attention to the problems or solutions and large corporations use huge resources to execute predatory practices on start-ups and small business stifling growth, competition, and change. At the same time I net most people don’t realize that our tax dollars subsidize 75-100% of oil exploration. For example, if you have a million dollars you can’t hide from the IRS you can go drill for oil. If you don’t complete the well, we support a 100% write off, if you complete the well but don’t find oil, you get 75% of your money back courtesy of taxes. Most wells pay back within a month though and that’s why people invest on oil. Love it or hate it, that’s the way it is.

  59. Adaugeo September 20, 2011 at 2:04 pm #

    He thinks the free market will create an environment in which new tech would be created and sold for profit to address these problems as people become concerned with them. The problem is of course generally people don’t pay attention to the problems or solutions and large corporations use huge resources to execute predatory practices on start-ups and small business stifling growth, competition, and change. At the same time I net most people don’t realize that our tax dollars subsidize 75-100% of oil exploration. For example, if you have a million dollars you can’t hide from the IRS you can go drill for oil. If you don’t complete the well, we support a 100% write off, if you complete the well but don’t find oil, you get 75% of your money back courtesy of taxes. Most wells pay back within a month though and that’s why people invest on oil. Love it or hate it, that’s the way it is.

  60. Justin September 20, 2011 at 10:05 am #

    This is easily the most intelligent thing coming from any form of American politics in quite a few years, more than I would like to recall. Its a shame the bipartisan system thwarts Ron Paul from gaining a significant position in the government…

  61. Justin September 20, 2011 at 2:05 pm #

    This is easily the most intelligent thing coming from any form of American politics in quite a few years, more than I would like to recall. Its a shame the bipartisan system thwarts Ron Paul from gaining a significant position in the government…

  62. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 2:13 pm #

    It’s all about the type of footwear used and the body part so abused. lol

  63. aGirlCanDream September 20, 2011 at 3:58 pm #

    Thank you, Adaugeo! Yes, Doctor Paul possesses a little-know quality in the world of politics, that thing called “integrity”. The man does not flip-flop and when asked about controversial things which he has voted for or against (usually against) in the past, he never apologizes or makes excuses: instead, he explains – in detail – why he voted the way he did and what his thought process was. Whether you agree with him or not is another matter entirely…but you MUST acknowledge that he is man of principle and he sticks to his guns. And considering that he is the ONLY candidate who wants to bring home ALL of the troops – and considering that he has repeatedly said on record that he will NOT abuse the power of executive orders but WILL use that power to bring the troops home – then yes, I believe him and yes, I will vote for him…because it is the right thing to do. As far as his economic policies are concerned…they are fun to think about but he will NEVER be able to implement them because both Republicans AND Democrats are completely sold on the Keynesian model. But he might also be able to get the so-called “patriot” act repealed and wouldn’t it be just terrible if he were able to convince congress and senate to legalize ALL drugs across the board (just like Portugal did in 2001). Yeah, that sounds freak’n terrible to me…   

  64. Wanooski September 20, 2011 at 6:27 pm #

    Why is it you fucktards always come back to Al Gore? I don’t give a shit about Al Gore. Things are far worse than what Al Gore talks about.

  65. Wanooski September 20, 2011 at 6:32 pm #

    Sorry but the majority of science is settled on the matter and it is not really very complicated, and this doesn’t even get into the ecological collapse that isn’t directly related to the changing climate, the collapse happening because of deforestation, contamination, pollution, extirpation. And I don’t feel like reading the books. 
    I do not trust this man. Simple fact is the world he wants is not the world I want. And really there is no governmental path to it any way.

  66. Wanooski September 20, 2011 at 6:34 pm #

    I’m really more a fan of Prouhdon, Bakunin, and Kropotkin. I like Kropotkin in particular. 

  67. Wanooski September 20, 2011 at 7:33 pm #

    They are what are called “anarcho capitalists” Or rightist libertarians, And what they push isn’t really anarchism at all. Infoshop.org Anarchist FAQ section F.

  68. Anonymous September 20, 2011 at 9:23 pm #

    You get a double like for that.

  69. Wanooski September 20, 2011 at 10:47 pm #

    Why, thank you. Kropotkin wins because he was the first to apply evolutionary theory to anarchist philosophy.

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